I agree to most all this list. I would have put at a lower tier ABI because of the P2W mechanics. I think I enjoyed more ABI over Delta Force operations when they came out respectively, but the P2W just screwed everything. That's personal opinion and sensivity to certain things. I'm highly sensitive to cheating issues and P2W. Right now, I can't see ABI at the same tier or higher than EFT, thanks to SPT. But in the end, I agree to almost all of it. There are a lot of tactical shooters poping up, to the point I play some of them and move on and never come back. The only ones I come back and still enjoy coming back are indeed Insurgency (2014 and Sandstorm), PUBG and CS
Insurgency at the top is why I still am playing the game 6 years later. I can't believe the game hasn't blown up to this day, and we haven't gotten a good pvp game to its quality since...
Honestly I am glad it hasn't "blown" up. I can tell the community of players are clearly around my age and demographic. During gameplay it's hilarious to hear some of the conversations, it's not toxic, it's just so off topic. I rather have a dedicated community with consistent player numbers than a huge game that might bring in cheaters and griefers.
It's a shame the game is in a bad position in development terms.... It has a very satisfying audio engine and gunplay. I just wish it had ultra large maps like arma or pubg
I got hunt showdown two years ago, and for some reason I only had 30 recorded hours. I started playing it again mid 2024 and already accumulated 2k hours and I cannot believe I let it sit in my library for two years untouched easily my favorite FPS at the moment. And the only multiplayer game I play. Every other game I play is single player
I absolutly love RoN.. I've been following the game since the first announcement trailer, and they came such a long way, it definitely needs more polish but the attention to detail to maps and the way they link all the missions together is such a nice thing to see.
Update: I want to add that i think zero hour should be F tier, yeah it did reach 1.0 but the game is still so broken and the maps/ ai are so incredibly awful (like the boat map) that i would personally put it under battlefield 2042
@@Alpha-D-Juliett anyone who has played zero hour for an extended amount of time would know that. We dont pop in for a video and then say the games great.
Go look at the comments on the reveal trailer, lot of dissapponted fans and more and more youtubers have been exposing the devs for cutting content and not listening to the fans
@@ghostly6175 "exposing the devs for cutting content and not listening to the fans" Get a life bro. The game is fantastic and has come so far and surpassed most people's expectations. Fans have unrealistic expectations and most of the time have the most garbage ideas. Hence why tarkov is an absolute shitshow of a game and has been on a steady decline the past 3 years.
@@ghostly6175 "A lot of disappointed fans", "Exposing the devs"... are you being serious? A controversial game like this released in the current political climate, yet sitting at 89% positive on steam is a testament to its quality. And did you just insinuate business malpractice by the devs for cutting content? RoN is one of the very few games that successfully transitioned from EA to 1.0 which is only possible with dedicated devs.
@@ghostly6175 that's not exposing dummy lmfao, don't act like the game is getting review bombed and nobody plays it, I can literally pull up the steam page rn and call out your bs
Glad you placed RoN in S tier since they totally deserve it, it came along way from it's initial release and it's a staple of how a tactical indy FPS developer should treat their product. Constant fixes, adding content, QoL updates and my favourite, a very open and clear communication with their players whether it's through their Discord, development vlogs and their community content exhibits/competitions. Hats off to Void Interactive.
I feel like the battlebit hate is a bit harsh. Not all games need constant updates to be fun. I still go back and play it casually and it never ceases to be super fun. Also rising storm 2 should be on here
Games are garbage nowadays if they don't get content updates every month. It amuses me since I've been playing PC games so long but it's definitely a widely shared sentiment.
Fully disagree. The game is in a terrible state right now. All the active servers are community ran, which are owned by massive zerg clans that kick any player that does better than them. It was a massive issue because the game isnt attracting casuals with the lack of updates, and hardcore players lost a majority of servers they can play on. Not to mention no updates for over a year after they put out some bad balancing changes. The game is currently dead with a downward spiral. BUT it could have honestly been a much better game than it was like at launch. But it's been mismanaged terribly, even if they put out a massive update, I doubt the playerbase would crack 10k again.
@@Tranger1994 no i agree about everything you said. But at the end of the day the game is still super fun. And actually i think it’s pretty well balanced honestly after they fixed the vector anything is really viable. As long as there are still enough people playing then so am I
Problem with small Indies is often, they have great ideas but not the budget to create a solid base (let alone even basic marketing) that pulls enough attraction to further fund them. Thus they get stuck as soon as they´re over the "bare bones" status and that´s that. Are they biting more than they can chew? Maybe
Based af list tbh. Fully agree with everything. Siege and insurgency are easily my favorites for for tactical shooters, and I'd easily put Siege at S if not for Ubisoft being awful and all of the terrible goofy cosmetics. Both Insurgency and Sandstorm were pretty much peak for a shooter gameplay wise, with the near perfect blend of somewhat arcadey shooter mechanics with enough realism to feel grounded but also still play incredibly smooth. I do wish the gameplay and maps had bit more depth to them like siege does, but the games were amazing nonetheless and unfortunately never had playbase it needed to be mainstream like it ought to have been. I think I entirely agree with this whole list honestly, and I never do that lol
Six Days at this point is a dead game, a small community of people still play it and it gets a resurgence after updates but imo their development timeline was too long with not enough content added with each update, the randomly generated maps add some replayability but only have a 4 man fireteam facing off against like a platoon of insurgents is just unrealistic compared to what they are going for.
@@ghostly6175exactly my thoughts, even the good old Delta Force Black Hawk Down was much better in this regard of portraying the amount of friendly forces.
You mentioning PUBG reminded me of a round we played together when there was only TPP available and we absolutely destroyed everyone. Good times and I'm very happy to see how much your channel has grown since then. You deserve it, bigman !
Battlebit being low just because it does not get future updates is weird approach... We played games back then when getting updates was nearly impossible and we never had a problem with it. Game is either good or bad. And if it is good it will be good in 10 years without any updates. Thats my option.
That's a rare but based opinion. Most especially younger players seem to sort of "demand" that all they play is being regularily updated because even the slightest notion of playing a game that isn't trending anymore is apparently the worst thing imaginable. This has impact on singleplayer games too - some of those get seasonal/holiday updates or other lazy, arbitrary rotational content too just to keep up appearances of being... "living", I guess, in a sense. It's weird af but I guess that's the age of social media ADHD unicorns just not being able to enjoy themselves anymore unless they are riding whatever is the coolest current hypewagon. That being said a point could be made that Battlebit wasn't ready yet to be semi-abandoned. If you were to ask around plenty of people would likely tell you that it wasn't in a super good state when it went so silent. (I think it was pretty okay, maybe just not super well balanced - but show me a game that has no sweaty metas.) Last I checked the devs were still having intentions to overhaul it, but they are obviously slow with it or aren't completely sure where to take the game. I guess it's still labelled as EA on Steam? That's a bit of salt in the wound too I guess. But then this wouldn't be the first EA title to be in EA for an eternity, and as long as there are servers and players there is no reason per-se why someone shouldn't be able to enjoy it for what it is right now.
Really enjoyed this vid, I've been playing Wildlands with my buddies lately, I think my buddy added in some mods to. Makes me hungry for the next Ghost Recon.
Point blank by the end bf2042 was probably a high c low b, but the fact it was battlefield, mixed with the bait trailers, the disappointment alone puts it at a d or f
@TheRama2299 he might be talking about the concerns that bluedrake brought up with kernel lvl anticheat. And if so, those concerns were very valid, and I dont see why ppl would say otherwise
@@mieciotherock5131 I'm not going to get into the discussion on this one because, oh boy. But I will say, I didn't find anything Bluedrake brought up in his videos was wrong or out of place in the discussion on kernel level anti-cheat and the games that use it (I guess his specific problem game was just Delta Force but yeah) and the amount of bullshit and vitreol both communities plopped out, was gross honestly. When it got personal, I basically checked out. I just feel both of them do it for the "drama bait" and that's fine I guess, it's YT after all.
It still hurts for me to see that WW3 not only is getting the side treatment, but being lower than BF 2042. At least the rest of the list is pretty solid, but I’d still wager that CS2 definitely doesn’t deserve to be that high, since it is riding the coat tails of CS:GO, along with pulling an Overwatch 2 by removing content from the game and people are still hyping it.
i get why anybody could simply dislike tarkov, its not a likable game, its punishing beyond belief and they only aim to make it more punishing... its like they intend to suck all the fun out of it. Besides that its overrun with cheaters and cheaters simply impact your experience far more in that than any other game... with all that said... aint no fucking way it lands in B, as a FPS it sets the standard in gun customization, tactical play not to mention outright gunplay and immersion... the sound only rivaled by games like squad (wait... where is squad?). I mean... i get it i really do but i just dont get it at the same time. Tark has its problems, we all know it but my god its an S tier FPS if there ever was one. I like ready or not but its not even close to the same standard, most missions are extremely brief and can be completed in short time, the AI is terrible, NPC's laughably jank, Gunplay average, half cooked DLC dropping months after release which many would agree was not really ready for release...
Not bad, I feel like most of those games are exactly the same. Respect to Tarkov for getting devs to move on from Battle Royal. Respect to China for having good taste... Respect to Battlebit for making Battlefield fans and influencers look like idiots....
The Unheard edition fiasco alone puts Tarkov in D tier, at best. Forget spitting in the face of their own fans. That was Nikita pulling his pants down and shitting in their mouth. You have to be actually insane to be on BSG's side after that whole situation. And that's not even getting into all the other shit that's wrong with the game.
Man, finally someone giving Delta Force credit, and doesn't act like BF fanboy crybaby. Can't believe people prefer to support terrible 70$ dollars, over a decent free game that even gives FREE stuff.
I understand that you're not a Tarkov guy, but if there wasn't SPT, then i would completely agree with you. I know you are most towards PvP, so the FPS genre for you must be "online" to enjoy "with others", but the state of Tarkov because of cheaters and non-casual players is making the game unplayable. It is so ridiculous! But since There is SPT, i'd put it between A and B. Cheers.
@ they got free lean with both sticks pushed in but yes the lean is alot like insurgency with control either way its a fame changer for controller players 🤟🤟
I'd still put Battlebit in A tier. Keeping it in early access was an awful move but game doesn't lack pretty much anything in content or features. Movement, destruction, gunplay, teamplay features are still among the best in the genre. It is still fps game I play the most at the moment. On the other hand, putting CS2 that high up is hillarious, considering it got much worse treatment when it comes to updates than battlebit - it got massive updates that removed old content, introduced a lot of technical issues, destroyed optimisation and ruined big parts of the game for casual players.
Agree with the list overall, I think Delta Force is a low B or high C because it's a goofy hero shooter, some classes slide some don't, limited grenades and kit options, 2042 feels better movement wise...I think Squad should be on there as a C and ARMA Reforger a high A or S tier, it's pretty solid.
Glad to see Insurgency: Sandstorm was ranked an S. I recently just jumped back into it after a few years hiatus from it, nice to see some of the updates and added crossplay now. It's honestly unmatched when it comes to just jumping in a match online and playing a few games. It was nice to hear about Fry's updated opinions on some of the games in the tier list, great video
Seems like a ranking I would choose too. I'm a die hard fan of Battlefield but man DICE really destroyed it's reputation. BF 2042 isn't a Battlefield game. it deserves that spot. For Tarkov, I have to agree with you! I hate the inventory simulator, the insane amount of loot, the hideout, the skill attributes, the long loading times. but if you take that away, the gunplay on Tarkov, and the flexibility of weapon customizations destorys all of the games in the list, I even think it's better than Insurgency Sandstorm. My perfect game would be Tarkov without the stuff I mentioned, and with same gameplay loop as Hunt Showdown. Good video bigfry, more variety like this is good.
Great video! Love the memories of most of these games! No way caliber is S,A,B, or C tier. Maybe D, the movement and lack of it makes it a D tier. Love the S tier of ARMA and Insurgency. I would add ABI, R6S, Tarkov and PUBG, personally. Ready or Not is A tier for me. Delta Force is fun but to easy imo. It’s definitely not better than ABI. I’m so on the fence with Ghost Recon and BF. Used to love the franchises and what they could actually pull off in regards to PvP with the amount of talent they have. Battle bit is just not for me. I rather play BF.
Great video! I agree with most of your picks except Star Citizen. It’s a solid C for me. It’s been getting pretty big updates fairly consistently and the gunplay feels much better these days! Also, you should DEFINITELY do a “Battlebit What Happened?” video! Love to hear the story on what’s going on.
I bought bodycam for zombies, played one round and immediately refunded it. I figured that the game just was not for me......... but maybe It wasn't just me.
Ready Or Not is the only one I I still play consistently and it is one of my absolute favorite online multiplayer games, with the other two being Hunt Showdown and Outlast Trials.
Great take on Arena Breakout! But I do believe the game will be in a better spot if you ever do this list again. The Devs have been very humble and open to community feedback
What about Arma Reforger? Are you actually playing it these day's? It seems to be picking up bigfry time. And the other big one that's missing is squad.
of the entire list of games the only one's i've ever played are Hell Let Loose, Battlebit Remastered, Delta Force, Rainbow Six Siege, CS:GO, Caliber, WW3, Battlefield 2042 and if have to put then in a list will be like this: 1.- Rainbow Six Siege 2.- Hell Let Loose 3.- Battlebit Remastered 4.-Delta Force 5.- CS: GO The rest are pretty much forgettable for me
@@Pentaground tbh that's what I thought till I started to realized most of game consists entirely on shooting people in the legs until you have like a gazillion roubles and then you can afford the one and only type of ammo for your gun that's competent, and then it's the same cycle. There's no point in playing the game as it's meant to, it's either leg meta or the most expensive ammo meta, no middle point. That said I don't think it's a bad game, it's just not enjoyable
@@TheRama2299they finally had an answer to leg meta and low pen ammo with the realistic armour plate hitbox update, but then streamers complained and they changed it back to be more like the original armour zones.
Love him talking about "leg meta" and "spreadsheets," bro just boot the game up and give it an honest try. 🤣 I personally play tarkov when I want a slow, tactical, and usually solo experience. Being able to take advantage of movement, position, and sound often leaves me feeling like a badass. I wouldn't even call myself a "good" player, just average.
I would technically argue Immersive Mode improved Ghost Recon. I know it's not fair to mention mods, but there are some fantastic mods for Breakpoint that aren't just cosmetic ports
@@BigfryTV You put Battlebit at C at first because that game is abandoned even though this does not really say anything about the quality of the game design at all and when ranking Bodycam you just said it's bad and that's about it. Not very interesting and some pretty flimsy criteria for a tier list.
I can totally get behind putting BF2042 in F or D. I play the game daily nowdays, I have tons of fun, but the game people got on release and the incredible amount of damage it did to basically everyone is inexcusable
You say “S” tier is reserved for games that shaped the industry then put Tarkov in the middle😂😂😂😂 Tarkov has been the mold all game devs have been trying to copy and breaking themselves over for years
It's mostly the unsuccessful indie titles. You don't see triple A games going full Tarkov like Arena Breakout did, it's the only game that can be compared to Tarkov because it's a literal Tarkov carbon copy. If that was the case, then all extraction shooters are trying to copy The Division's dark zone experience
@@TheRama2299the division 😢 so heartbroken they cancelled the development on the newer one. One game i was really excited for and telling people about, but that didnt age well lmao
Totally agree man, every other game wishes they had what Tarkov does, despite all of the bugs, cheaters and misfires around monetisation. In years to come we will look back at Tarkov and lament the fact that we didn't appreciate it more as a community!
Insurgency Sandstorm leaving gamepass in January 15th broke my heart ;( my 330 level character will be gone now and ı'll just have my lvl 22 steam character without any of those cool outfits. ohh well still love Insurgency to hell and back though, perfect blend between realistic gameplay and join a match and go type that lots of other arcadey shooters have.
cause its a shit take lol in no world is tarkov a worse shooter than Caliber. Its all personal opinion sure but like no one agrees with that take and im sure the playerbase numbers would easily prove that
@@alexbarboni6619 sorry but where are those spreadsheets you speak of? i just boot up the game, gear up go in raid, kill some stooges and get out, its not rocket science
@@groffyy7208 I barely play CoD (except for the original 3 or 4 games back in the day) and I can't stand Tarkov. I hate extraction shooters. I'm nearly 50 and my idea of fun is not loading into a game with gear, getting obliterated by some sweaty instakill guy who nukes me in 1.4 seconds and losing all my gear (unless I "saved" it etc.) and then doing that exact same thing again and again. I can appreciate the quality of Tarkov, and for the innovation it brought to the table. But I don't like the game very much I'm afraid and it's not because I've played CoD or any other franchise.
Not sure why Star Citizen was on the list lol - What do YOU think of my rankings? Let me know down below!
Where would Battlefield 1 be?
I agree to most all this list. I would have put at a lower tier ABI because of the P2W mechanics. I think I enjoyed more ABI over Delta Force operations when they came out respectively, but the P2W just screwed everything. That's personal opinion and sensivity to certain things. I'm highly sensitive to cheating issues and P2W. Right now, I can't see ABI at the same tier or higher than EFT, thanks to SPT.
But in the end, I agree to almost all of it. There are a lot of tactical shooters poping up, to the point I play some of them and move on and never come back. The only ones I come back and still enjoy coming back are indeed Insurgency (2014 and Sandstorm), PUBG and CS
Star Citizen is S… for Scam
SQUAD shouldve been instead of shit citezen
star citzen for the memes
Forgot Squad and Squad44
It's garbage
Average cod player @@ourstories9658
The list didnt save right when I sent it to him. SCUM, Deadside and Squad should have been in there. the Tierlistmaker website is absolute dog shit.
Squad is up there and Squad44 I guess is too. A tier.
Sniper Elite 5 (Albeit Its A 3rd Person Shooter)
Insurgency at the top is why I still am playing the game 6 years later. I can't believe the game hasn't blown up to this day, and we haven't gotten a good pvp game to its quality since...
Honestly I am glad it hasn't "blown" up. I can tell the community of players are clearly around my age and demographic.
During gameplay it's hilarious to hear some of the conversations, it's not toxic, it's just so off topic.
I rather have a dedicated community with consistent player numbers than a huge game that might bring in cheaters and griefers.
It's a shame the game is in a bad position in development terms.... It has a very satisfying audio engine and gunplay. I just wish it had ultra large maps like arma or pubg
@@RodneyXheals yeah thats what ruins it for me the maps are more cod like rather than being large and open.
Bro put Star Citizen on the list but not HUNT: Showdown...
I got hunt showdown two years ago, and for some reason I only had 30 recorded hours. I started playing it again mid 2024 and already accumulated 2k hours and I cannot believe I let it sit in my library for two years untouched easily my favorite FPS at the moment. And the only multiplayer game I play. Every other game I play is single player
He didn't make the list, his mods (or whoever he said at the start, I forget lol) made the list for him.
Seeing both Insurgency's at the top triggers so many good memories 💜
Good ole days
I absolutly love RoN.. I've been following the game since the first announcement trailer, and they came such a long way, it definitely needs more polish but the attention to detail to maps and the way they link all the missions together is such a nice thing to see.
Update: I want to add that i think zero hour should be F tier, yeah it did reach 1.0 but the game is still so broken and the maps/ ai are so incredibly awful (like the boat map) that i would personally put it under battlefield 2042
@@Alpha-D-Juliett anyone who has played zero hour for an extended amount of time would know that. We dont pop in for a video and then say the games great.
So glad I got into Ready or Not
Yeah i got the game, found it boring
I consider ready or not as a next gen fps title
its just soo perfect and a mighty successor to SWAT 4
Go look at the comments on the reveal trailer, lot of dissapponted fans and more and more youtubers have been exposing the devs for cutting content and not listening to the fans
@@ghostly6175 "exposing the devs for cutting content and not listening to the fans" Get a life bro. The game is fantastic and has come so far and surpassed most people's expectations. Fans have unrealistic expectations and most of the time have the most garbage ideas. Hence why tarkov is an absolute shitshow of a game and has been on a steady decline the past 3 years.
@@ghostly6175 "A lot of disappointed fans", "Exposing the devs"... are you being serious? A controversial game like this released in the current political climate, yet sitting at 89% positive on steam is a testament to its quality. And did you just insinuate business malpractice by the devs for cutting content? RoN is one of the very few games that successfully transitioned from EA to 1.0 which is only possible with dedicated devs.
@@ghostly6175 that's not exposing dummy lmfao, don't act like the game is getting review bombed and nobody plays it, I can literally pull up the steam page rn and call out your bs
@@pooleN02 they removed lots of good content tbh
Honestly i think a tier list brought my attention back on some of the titles i genuinely forgot to check in on. thanks for this!
Glad you placed RoN in S tier since they totally deserve it, it came along way from it's initial release and it's a staple of how a tactical indy FPS developer should treat their product. Constant fixes, adding content, QoL updates and my favourite, a very open and clear communication with their players whether it's through their Discord, development vlogs and their community content exhibits/competitions.
Hats off to Void Interactive.
I feel like the battlebit hate is a bit harsh. Not all games need constant updates to be fun. I still go back and play it casually and it never ceases to be super fun. Also rising storm 2 should be on here
Games are garbage nowadays if they don't get content updates every month. It amuses me since I've been playing PC games so long but it's definitely a widely shared sentiment.
Fully disagree. The game is in a terrible state right now. All the active servers are community ran, which are owned by massive zerg clans that kick any player that does better than them. It was a massive issue because the game isnt attracting casuals with the lack of updates, and hardcore players lost a majority of servers they can play on. Not to mention no updates for over a year after they put out some bad balancing changes. The game is currently dead with a downward spiral. BUT it could have honestly been a much better game than it was like at launch. But it's been mismanaged terribly, even if they put out a massive update, I doubt the playerbase would crack 10k again.
@@Tranger1994 no i agree about everything you said. But at the end of the day the game is still super fun. And actually i think it’s pretty well balanced honestly after they fixed the vector anything is really viable. As long as there are still enough people playing then so am I
Battlebit got 30+ Million in sales, turned around and changed the game to make it slower, fucked the audio, then dipped for 6 months.
The list needs Rust, Scum, Squad, Destiny, Stalker, and even SCP: 5K tbh
Those aren't all tac shooters though lol
@@orionizaqt read the video title
@@koppy82 fair enough, but he did say tac shooters I thought
Problem with small Indies is often, they have great ideas but not the budget to create a solid base (let alone even basic marketing) that pulls enough attraction to further fund them. Thus they get stuck
as soon as they´re over the "bare bones" status and that´s that.
Are they biting more than they can chew? Maybe
Based af list tbh. Fully agree with everything. Siege and insurgency are easily my favorites for for tactical shooters, and I'd easily put Siege at S if not for Ubisoft being awful and all of the terrible goofy cosmetics. Both Insurgency and Sandstorm were pretty much peak for a shooter gameplay wise, with the near perfect blend of somewhat arcadey shooter mechanics with enough realism to feel grounded but also still play incredibly smooth. I do wish the gameplay and maps had bit more depth to them like siege does, but the games were amazing nonetheless and unfortunately never had playbase it needed to be mainstream like it ought to have been. I think I entirely agree with this whole list honestly, and I never do that lol
Games from Chinese devs are all marred with heavy monitzation
And bluedrake can hardly make a decent game just with the community.
Hell Let Loose is actually free right now on Epic Store!
thank you good sir...
Had me in the first half. Lost me in the second half lol
Thank youuu brother, i would have missed that.
@@bravoMike97 claim it before jan 9
@@foxOneRides Is it really free though if you're paying with your soul by using the Epic Games Launcher?
Six days being behind a third person shooter on a best/worst FPS list is wild
Ikr
Six Days at this point is a dead game, a small community of people still play it and it gets a resurgence after updates but imo their development timeline was too long with not enough content added with each update, the randomly generated maps add some replayability but only have a 4 man fireteam facing off against like a platoon of insurgents is just unrealistic compared to what they are going for.
@@ghostly6175exactly my thoughts, even the good old Delta Force Black Hawk Down was much better in this regard of portraying the amount of friendly forces.
You mentioning PUBG reminded me of a round we played together when there was only TPP available and we absolutely destroyed everyone. Good times and I'm very happy to see how much your channel has grown since then. You deserve it, bigman !
No Black One or Easy Red 2 on this list?
The only FPS games I play any more are BF1 BFV and HLL. the FPS space feels dead now.
Battlebit being low just because it does not get future updates is weird approach... We played games back then when getting updates was nearly impossible and we never had a problem with it. Game is either good or bad. And if it is good it will be good in 10 years without any updates. Thats my option.
That's a rare but based opinion.
Most especially younger players seem to sort of "demand" that all they play is being regularily updated because even the slightest notion of playing a game that isn't trending anymore is apparently the worst thing imaginable.
This has impact on singleplayer games too - some of those get seasonal/holiday updates or other lazy, arbitrary rotational content too just to keep up appearances of being... "living", I guess, in a sense. It's weird af but I guess that's the age of social media ADHD unicorns just not being able to enjoy themselves anymore unless they are riding whatever is the coolest current hypewagon.
That being said a point could be made that Battlebit wasn't ready yet to be semi-abandoned. If you were to ask around plenty of people would likely tell you that it wasn't in a super good state when it went so silent. (I think it was pretty okay, maybe just not super well balanced - but show me a game that has no sweaty metas.) Last I checked the devs were still having intentions to overhaul it, but they are obviously slow with it or aren't completely sure where to take the game. I guess it's still labelled as EA on Steam? That's a bit of salt in the wound too I guess. But then this wouldn't be the first EA title to be in EA for an eternity, and as long as there are servers and players there is no reason per-se why someone shouldn't be able to enjoy it for what it is right now.
Really enjoyed this vid, I've been playing Wildlands with my buddies lately, I think my buddy added in some mods to. Makes me hungry for the next Ghost Recon.
Point blank by the end bf2042 was probably a high c low b, but the fact it was battlefield, mixed with the bait trailers, the disappointment alone puts it at a d or f
where would you put arma reforger?
This is pretty fair and reasonable. ABI is above delta force for me personally. But I still give most of my time to hunt:showdown regardless.
Could’ve had squad, squad 44, reforger and rising storm 2 on the list for the sake of completeness too but nbd.
seeing star citizen on this list and not squad or squad 44 should be a crime
Am I missing something? what's the thing with Hard Doorstop?
TH-camr drama, bluedrake spread some shit and got his fanbase to help.
@@GrrumpyTank huh? What shit?
@@GrrumpyTank What? Mind elaborating a bit? I actually don't know what's supposedly going on
@TheRama2299 he might be talking about the concerns that bluedrake brought up with kernel lvl anticheat. And if so, those concerns were very valid, and I dont see why ppl would say otherwise
@@mieciotherock5131 I'm not going to get into the discussion on this one because, oh boy. But I will say, I didn't find anything Bluedrake brought up in his videos was wrong or out of place in the discussion on kernel level anti-cheat and the games that use it (I guess his specific problem game was just Delta Force but yeah) and the amount of bullshit and vitreol both communities plopped out, was gross honestly. When it got personal, I basically checked out. I just feel both of them do it for the "drama bait" and that's fine I guess, it's YT after all.
Wow what a goated tier list template. what a great job
It still hurts for me to see that WW3 not only is getting the side treatment, but being lower than BF 2042. At least the rest of the list is pretty solid, but I’d still wager that CS2 definitely doesn’t deserve to be that high, since it is riding the coat tails of CS:GO, along with pulling an Overwatch 2 by removing content from the game and people are still hyping it.
i get why anybody could simply dislike tarkov, its not a likable game, its punishing beyond belief and they only aim to make it more punishing... its like they intend to suck all the fun out of it. Besides that its overrun with cheaters and cheaters simply impact your experience far more in that than any other game... with all that said... aint no fucking way it lands in B, as a FPS it sets the standard in gun customization, tactical play not to mention outright gunplay and immersion... the sound only rivaled by games like squad (wait... where is squad?). I mean... i get it i really do but i just dont get it at the same time. Tark has its problems, we all know it but my god its an S tier FPS if there ever was one. I like ready or not but its not even close to the same standard, most missions are extremely brief and can be completed in short time, the AI is terrible, NPC's laughably jank, Gunplay average, half cooked DLC dropping months after release which many would agree was not really ready for release...
Not bad, I feel like most of those games are exactly the same.
Respect to Tarkov for getting devs to move on from Battle Royal.
Respect to China for having good taste...
Respect to Battlebit for making Battlefield fans and influencers look like idiots....
The Unheard edition fiasco alone puts Tarkov in D tier, at best. Forget spitting in the face of their own fans. That was Nikita pulling his pants down and shitting in their mouth. You have to be actually insane to be on BSG's side after that whole situation. And that's not even getting into all the other shit that's wrong with the game.
i agree, how people still play the game to this day and support Nikita after this scummy bs is beyond me
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Bro, at least turn on an adblocker while recording a video. You basically broadcasted ads for free.
Im liking how chill this video is. Thelist ain't bad either.
The, mods are petty for throwing OHD in there 😂
Man, finally someone giving Delta Force credit, and doesn't act like BF fanboy crybaby. Can't believe people prefer to support terrible 70$ dollars, over a decent free game that even gives FREE stuff.
I understand that you're not a Tarkov guy, but if there wasn't SPT, then i would completely agree with you. I know you are most towards PvP, so the FPS genre for you must be "online" to enjoy "with others", but the state of Tarkov because of cheaters and non-casual players is making the game unplayable. It is so ridiculous!
But since There is SPT, i'd put it between A and B.
Cheers.
I respect the EFT opinion.I would put Ready or not to S too. Great video
Ready Or Not dropped controller support finally and its great needs a few more tweaks but alot better now
Agree I only wish it had the extended granular leaning mechanic you can do with ALT A D on KBM
@ they got free lean with both sticks pushed in but yes the lean is alot like insurgency with control either way its a fame changer for controller players 🤟🤟
I'd still put Battlebit in A tier. Keeping it in early access was an awful move but game doesn't lack pretty much anything in content or features. Movement, destruction, gunplay, teamplay features are still among the best in the genre. It is still fps game I play the most at the moment.
On the other hand, putting CS2 that high up is hillarious, considering it got much worse treatment when it comes to updates than battlebit - it got massive updates that removed old content, introduced a lot of technical issues, destroyed optimisation and ruined big parts of the game for casual players.
S tier vid fry
PUBG literally has pictures of jackie chan in the map lol
Agree with the list overall, I think Delta Force is a low B or high C because it's a goofy hero shooter, some classes slide some don't, limited grenades and kit options, 2042 feels better movement wise...I think Squad should be on there as a C and ARMA Reforger a high A or S tier, it's pretty solid.
Glad to see Insurgency: Sandstorm was ranked an S. I recently just jumped back into it after a few years hiatus from it, nice to see some of the updates and added crossplay now. It's honestly unmatched when it comes to just jumping in a match online and playing a few games. It was nice to hear about Fry's updated opinions on some of the games in the tier list, great video
Arma reforger is blowing up now and the easy mod support is fantastic
Harsh doorstop got harsh treatment 😅
Seems like a ranking I would choose too. I'm a die hard fan of Battlefield but man DICE really destroyed it's reputation. BF 2042 isn't a Battlefield game. it deserves that spot.
For Tarkov, I have to agree with you! I hate the inventory simulator, the insane amount of loot, the hideout, the skill attributes, the long loading times. but if you take that away, the gunplay on Tarkov, and the flexibility of weapon customizations destorys all of the games in the list, I even think it's better than Insurgency Sandstorm.
My perfect game would be Tarkov without the stuff I mentioned, and with same gameplay loop as Hunt Showdown.
Good video bigfry, more variety like this is good.
Great video! Love the memories of most of these games!
No way caliber is S,A,B, or C tier. Maybe D, the movement and lack of it makes it a D tier.
Love the S tier of ARMA and Insurgency. I would add ABI, R6S, Tarkov and PUBG, personally.
Ready or Not is A tier for me.
Delta Force is fun but to easy imo. It’s definitely not better than ABI.
I’m so on the fence with Ghost Recon and BF. Used to love the franchises and what they could actually pull off in regards to PvP with the amount of talent they have.
Battle bit is just not for me. I rather play BF.
Great video! I agree with most of your picks except Star Citizen. It’s a solid C for me. It’s been getting pretty big updates fairly consistently and the gunplay feels much better these days! Also, you should DEFINITELY do a “Battlebit What Happened?” video! Love to hear the story on what’s going on.
Pretty good rankings there. For the ones that were meant to be there also I'd give:
Squad: A
Deadside: C-
SCUM: C
I think the mod forgot Squad and Arma Reforger but overall great tier list!
I bought bodycam for zombies, played one round and immediately refunded it. I figured that the game just was not for me......... but maybe It wasn't just me.
Great video
As long as you put 2 of my favorite fps games (Insurgency and Ready or Not) as S tier I see no issue with this list 😂
See I think Delta force sucks. The aiming and time to kill is completely off me and I get wrecked in it every single time.
Ready Or Not is the only one I I still play consistently and it is one of my absolute favorite online multiplayer games, with the other two being Hunt Showdown and Outlast Trials.
Great take on Arena Breakout! But I do believe the game will be in a better spot if you ever do this list again. The Devs have been very humble and open to community feedback
I need to play more FPS games. Seriously, I only know like 5 games on the list
What about Arma Reforger? Are you actually playing it these day's? It seems to be picking up bigfry time.
And the other big one that's missing is squad.
No hunt showdown? :(
Tarkov B tier...lmfao
The Finals: What about me man 😢
BigFry: Hahaha nahh man gfys
The Finals: 🥺😞
of the entire list of games the only one's i've ever played are Hell Let Loose, Battlebit Remastered, Delta Force, Rainbow Six Siege, CS:GO, Caliber, WW3, Battlefield 2042 and if have to put then in a list will be like this:
1.- Rainbow Six Siege
2.- Hell Let Loose
3.- Battlebit Remastered
4.-Delta Force
5.- CS: GO
The rest are pretty much forgettable for me
And there is me playing UT99 and UT2004 xD
4:56 love the silent switch there lol
Ik its old but where would you guys rank Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 on here?
Are any of these shooting games on Xbox Series x??
This has been a Long time Coming
Forgot to put Shatterline at the bottom 😂
Wait, Blue nad Fry are not friends anymore? What happened?
Valorant = Smurfland , CS2 = RUSKIE
ironically Bodycam woulda been a lot better of a game w/o that horrific bodycam perspective. One of the dumbest developer ideas ever.
That EFT ranking is wild 😂
isn't eft super tactical lol ?
@@Pentaground tbh that's what I thought till I started to realized most of game consists entirely on shooting people in the legs until you have like a gazillion roubles and then you can afford the one and only type of ammo for your gun that's competent, and then it's the same cycle.
There's no point in playing the game as it's meant to, it's either leg meta or the most expensive ammo meta, no middle point. That said I don't think it's a bad game, it's just not enjoyable
@@TheRama2299they finally had an answer to leg meta and low pen ammo with the realistic armour plate hitbox update, but then streamers complained and they changed it back to be more like the original armour zones.
yea lol no way its lower than arena breakout/grey zone warfare
Love him talking about "leg meta" and "spreadsheets," bro just boot the game up and give it an honest try. 🤣 I personally play tarkov when I want a slow, tactical, and usually solo experience. Being able to take advantage of movement, position, and sound often leaves me feeling like a badass. I wouldn't even call myself a "good" player, just average.
How did motherland improve ghost recon?
I would technically argue Immersive Mode improved Ghost Recon. I know it's not fair to mention mods, but there are some fantastic mods for Breakpoint that aren't just cosmetic ports
How is body cam D?
I'll place Imcursion C their, it's still a work in progress that needs more added ti it.
Good video, but bro: Squad and Hunt?!
I never made the list!
Never let him cook again. The tiers or games themselves mean nothing apparently next to his personal opinions on what is going on behind the scenes.
A TH-camr has personal opinions? That and more coming up at 6...
@@BigfryTV You put Battlebit at C at first because that game is abandoned even though this does not really say anything about the quality of the game design at all and when ranking Bodycam you just said it's bad and that's about it. Not very interesting and some pretty flimsy criteria for a tier list.
I can totally get behind putting BF2042 in F or D. I play the game daily nowdays, I have tons of fun, but the game people got on release and the incredible amount of damage it did to basically everyone is inexcusable
Damn, Body Cam is fun, deserved more than D in my opinion.
What's the deal with ohd one ?
BigFry had drama with the lead dev of it, the latter accusing the former of not properly disclosing sponsorship with I think ABI it was.
good list. star citizen is ROUGH right now. so much money.. so little gameplay. but hey its a great screenshot simulator.
why the bodycam hate?
It's not a good game at all
If Battlebit has a graphics overhaul could me an A in my opinion
Hm, I´d have put Breakpoint at C and Wildlands at B personally. But I´d mostly agree with your reasoning for this list :)
You say “S” tier is reserved for games that shaped the industry then put Tarkov in the middle😂😂😂😂 Tarkov has been the mold all game devs have been trying to copy and breaking themselves over for years
It's mostly the unsuccessful indie titles. You don't see triple A games going full Tarkov like Arena Breakout did, it's the only game that can be compared to Tarkov because it's a literal Tarkov carbon copy.
If that was the case, then all extraction shooters are trying to copy The Division's dark zone experience
@@TheRama2299the division 😢 so heartbroken they cancelled the development on the newer one. One game i was really excited for and telling people about, but that didnt age well lmao
@@TheRama2299 didnt call of duty try something like eft in mw2 or mw3 and it failed miserably and they had to remove it ?
@ call of duty and battlefield each tried a Tarkov style extraction looter shooter and failed horribly
Totally agree man, every other game wishes they had what Tarkov does, despite all of the bugs, cheaters and misfires around monetisation. In years to come we will look back at Tarkov and lament the fact that we didn't appreciate it more as a community!
Ready or Not and Tarkov for the WiN🎉 honorable mention hunt showdown
Is incursion red river really that bad 😅 I was thinking of getting it
Are any of these games on Xbox Series X??
Was waiting on the not sponsored hashtag when talking about r6 😂😂
FTC Compliant tier had me ROLLING.
whats '' ftc compliant " ?
This list forgot about Breach and Clear, Swat 4, Hunt: Shadows and GRW.
You know….I actually enjoy 2042, even when it was broken. But seeing the way EA handled that game is just downright depressing.
Insurgency Sandstorm leaving gamepass in January 15th broke my heart ;( my 330 level character will be gone now and ı'll just have my lvl 22 steam character without any of those cool outfits. ohh well still love Insurgency to hell and back though, perfect blend between realistic gameplay and join a match and go type that lots of other arcadey shooters have.
I know it's a personal list but man Tarkov at a C tier hurts brother :(
cause its a shit take lol in no world is tarkov a worse shooter than Caliber. Its all personal opinion sure but like no one agrees with that take and im sure the playerbase numbers would easily prove that
He moves it to B in the end
COD brained gamers just can't handle the amount of knowledge required to enjoy EFT, simple as that
You can keep your spreadsheets for a video game ya bum, I'll keep my job and a life
@@alexbarboni6619 sorry but where are those spreadsheets you speak of? i just boot up the game, gear up go in raid, kill some stooges and get out, its not rocket science
@@groffyy7208 I barely play CoD (except for the original 3 or 4 games back in the day) and I can't stand Tarkov. I hate extraction shooters. I'm nearly 50 and my idea of fun is not loading into a game with gear, getting obliterated by some sweaty instakill guy who nukes me in 1.4 seconds and losing all my gear (unless I "saved" it etc.) and then doing that exact same thing again and again. I can appreciate the quality of Tarkov, and for the innovation it brought to the table. But I don't like the game very much I'm afraid and it's not because I've played CoD or any other franchise.
209 hrs in RoN all in SP with modded guns maps etc and VoiceAttack
would like to seee an objective placement of ohd just to see where its be
I guess you got to keep making content
RON IS FULLY S TIER!