Is Google's Tensor G2 Overhyped?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2024
- In this clip, Marques and Andrew discuss whether a bunch of things are over or underhyped, including the Google Tensor G2 chip in the latest Pixel phones.
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7:20 is when Google Tensor gets talked about. Your welcome
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Yes, and it's hot as a sun
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Same on the Tensor G1, obviously. I miss how reliable the A13 was in my iphone 11 Pro it was a phone that was way more unusable in the summer when it gets hot. I could not imagine using the Pixel 6/7 if you live in a hotter climate.
@@GanDtechI use a pixel 6 pro in Florida...no issues for me
This thing can get real hot goddamn
7:20 is when they talk about Tensor
The Snapdragon 845 could do now playing. Pixel 3.
I had dongles in my business many years ago. I kept a few just as a sentimental thing. It was a pain, I admit. But software piracy for $6,000 software packages (price from the 1990s!) was very high, and companies were pretty much forced to do it. Nothing can substitute because it is physical and you can’t easily duplicate it, unlike a password.
I think you should also do a test with older phones to see how they behave over time. I have a P6P and for several months the zoom camera no longer focuses except in daylight. Wasn't it normal to work the same as on the first day? In addition, I could give maximum zoom to make a kind of macro with her help, now she tells me to back off if I want her to focus. What guarantees do those with P7P have that they will not suffer the same next year after the release of P8P? And so on.
The G2 is the reason im holding off on this first gen pixel fold. Really wish it had a snapdragon in it because i am absolutely in love with the form factor and design of the pixel fold
how come? Benchmarks don't really matter, its how the phone performs in your everyday life.
It's a pretty capable processor, only significant con in my eyes seems to be the battery life, but it seems to be a conscious decision on googles part to make it more powerful rather than efficient for the pixel fold.
Love my pixel 7 pro and obviously the tensor g2 is capable of performing suitably but the phone overheats way too often compared to any other phone I've used. I don't know if that's a hardware cooling issue or the cpu not being sufficient enough and running at 90% all the time or something. It obviously scores relatively low on benchmarks compared to other phones, but you'll very seldom put your phone in benchmark test conditions.
This makes me question what people are doing on these phones that are causing them to overheat 🤔
My theory is the chip is for the Google assistant always running because it's always learning and listening which is what it's designed to do
Bro it was 100 degrees in DC a few days ago. Just walking around with google maps would make that phone unusable
That's one of the mains reasons why I switched to the s23 ultra
@@MarquezDanielMaybe scrolling through Google discovery lol
Now playing works on pixel devices without the Tensor Chip. I still got my pixel 4 xl and it works well.
agreed. I remember it being a mind-blowing feature on my Pixel 2
What I hate about my 7 Pro is it will overheat and shutdown just streaming to a speaker outside.
Zero heating issues on my Pixel Fold that runs this chip. And this is after watching a 45 minute documentary.
Try taking 15-30 minutes videos
@@pijesz I never need to do 15-30 minute video on my phone.
Now playing is such a cool feature!
I like Tensor but it can't keep up with a snapdragon
Love your podcast. Keep up the great work guys!!
Big time! Makes a decent heater under “heavy” use.
Not really. People consider it overhyped because it doesn't even perform well against the competition. But you have to consider a couple of things first. It's second gen, so still have some kinks to work out, and it's freakin hot. The other thing is that it's entire existence is basically because Google wanted to have an ai-centered chip for their phones, so raw performance is not the main focus like the other chips. So because people are considering it a terrible-performing chip, they're still missing the main focus. I still think it's underhyped.
Chips are not new. They have been around for well over 10 years. Sorry, plus the chip was not built from the ground. Definitely over-hyped. Most of the features people don't use. Now playing drains too much battery.
tensor chip sucks.. its based from a bad chip.
@@Demonhead1 Yeah, it's based from Samsung's exynos chips. That doesn't mean it sucks, though. It just means it's slow.
@@DiamondMaster115 lol even samsung does not use it anymore.. ive been using google pixel 6 pro and it is the worst decision i have ever made.. i think i will be using my rog phone 3. It's a few years old but it is definitely more reliable with its snapdragon processor
Now Playing works on every Pixel phone since the Pixel 2 - it has NOTHING TO DO WITH TENSOR SoC's.
I was searching for this comment. Now Playing works like a charm on my pixel 4a.
Im still satisfied with mypixel 4a but the software support ends this year...
How and when did it become "hyped" cause in my memory all tube reviews basically said the same as far as it's solid and gets the job done but not top tier
My Galaxy grand prime would over heat like crazy back in 2016-18. Granted I had my phone plugged into the charger and my headphones, which were also charging. The phones I had after wouldn't overheat the same. Sometimes my Pixel 7 pro overheats when I'm in the sun/heat if I'm doing something but it cools down pretty quickly.
In my eyes the G2 was never hyped in the first place. As a 7 Pro owner I'd probably rather have the latest best snapdragon chip if given the option for the same price... but I doubt I'd notice the difference much in day to day use. Say what you want about the G2 but the user experience of a Pixel phone is, at least in my opinion, next to none compared to any other android phone. Its snappy, light, fast and responsive.
This exactly. Literally everyone I’ve seen discussing this SOC is complaining about it. They all wanted Gen 2. Because if it’s in efficiencies, a lot of people prefer the galaxy flagships to Google ones for this year. Or Apple, of course.
@@abubakrakram6208 Coming off of both Samsung and Apple devices I couldn't be happier to be a Pixel owner. There's something about how Google has designed the OS that makes it feel better, faster, more convenient and feature-packed than any big competitor atm. I also happen to actually like and use the Pixel-specific features which is nice.
Tensor G2 & G1 are almost the same.
Samsung's fabrication and modem are mostly the culprits.
Overall, it's a good gen2 soc for most users.
Now playing is there from pixel 2 series. I came to know about this feature from your pixel 2 review back in 2017.
Tensor G4 will not be based on Exynos and will be moved to TSMC fab. So keep an eye out for fold 3 & pixel 9 series (or 10 if they skip 9). Until then however, suffer.
you can press the search button on the lock screen for now playing if it's on this theoretical cooldown
I just used What song is playing? with Google Assistant in a cafe the other day first time after having my Pixel XL (1) for 5 years now :D
FYI : tensor chips are not fully Google in-house chips , it's actually a modified Samsung chip , and Google plan to sever the deal by 2025 and then produce fully custom google chips for it's phones.
it will never be fully custom. even apple bionic uses Qualcomm modems and tsmc manufacturing
@@aaaaaaaaauTrue but that's not quite the same level as Google using what is basically an off the shelf Exynos with a few extra coprocessors. The Bionic is almost exactly the opposite - the core CPU architecture is a completely custom ARM implementation with tons of in house work and just a few peripherals from third parties.
Now playing checks periodically not polling based on sound length.
Now Playing has been running on my Pixel 3 XL since the device came out.
I would say yes it is BUT it no linger gets hot after the last update. My biggest gripe with the phone is now gone.
Now Playing was introduced with the Pixel 2
7:12 It helps me type and game fast/better as keyboards are my bane as I'm a controller person.... when I set it up which is not hard by the way.
"Now Playing" feature is working on any android phone now...
If having a dongle can let me use some essential software that otherwise requires being online, I’m in.
"Now Playing" has been around since Pixel 2!!
Its the biggest piece of dog shit that I have ever heard of - The Rock
I bought a Pixel Fold. I turned off now playing and the battery life got significantly better.
You shouldn't have to turn off Pixel features to get the Pixel to work right.
Yes. They would’ve been way better off with SD8G2
It even has better Ki cores than the tensor
Marques did point this out in a different podcast video, and he perfectly explained it.
In any given time period, yes, Google would've been better off with using whatever Qualcomm offers with its latest and greatest chips. But it would've been a pain in the ass to optimise that chip in the "Google way".
So, Google simply just pulled out and made their own chip, with many "smart" features exclusive to only their devices, with their own optimisations. Kinda like what apple does with bionic chips.
Right now, yes, the competitors blow tensor chips out of the water, but hopefully they'll get it right eventually. They cannot make the latest and greatest chip overnight.
This is not to excuse the heat issues and efficiency tho, the tensor chip certainly lack in everything the competition offers, but try to make up for it with their "smart" features.
@@internetuser0496 I think the features would be just as easy to implement with a snapdragon, but Google will probably save money. as far as I know, the tensor g3 should be significantly stronger
Too expensive, Google's MO is to keep costs down and deliver a competitive flagship phone. Snapdragon's parts are taxed differently than Exynos', hence the reason why Samsung kept it in their phones for so long until this year and we saw lackluster trade in deals as a result of that (this year I paid more for my S23U than I did for my 14 Pro Max by a few hundred bucks, first time that's happened) as a way to balance the cost. If Pixel used a Snapdragon based chipset, cost of the phone will probably reach Galaxy level.
@@superiortoall22 no it would erase a 100 bucks for way more performance and battery life
Google made a blunder by choosing Samsung's Exynos as a base for Tensors just like Nokia did with Android by clinging on to Symbian OS for too long and not embracing Android.
Exynos chips are too hot and that's evident on multiple occasions.
Andrew... U can always sign on to the web version of Netflix on the account settings u can delete all u downloaded from any device from there
I don't think there's anything Tensor can do that couldn't be done with another SOC. Google artificially limits/limited features to non tensor phones. Now playing has been a Pixel thing for awhile now, nothing to do with tensor
Fool. Now playing and all other ML sure can run on other SoCs but can they run on-device without the need for cloud? That can't be done without the Tensor. And when G1 came out it was radical.
People with zero background on AI and ML really shouldn't be commenting. Here's few things that are possible with Tensor since G1:
1)More accurate and faster image classification while using less energy.
2) Face Unblur
3) Improved On-Device Semantic Segmentation quality while running faster. example running The Autoseg-EdgeTpu model. Furthermore to optimise the latency on TPU, Google introduced a method for generating the high resolution segmentation map that reduces the memory requirement and provides nearly 1.5X speedup without significantly impacting the segmentation quality.
4)MobileBert on TPU runs significantly faster than on CPU. MobileBert-EdgeTPU variant when deployed on Google Tensor's TPU, produce on-device quality comparable to the large BERT models deployed in data centers, for natural language processing.
Good luck achieving all this without the Pioneer SoC called Tensor 2 years ahead of the competition for On-device ML models.
I would've used my perfectly hyped on the steam deck
Now playing been there since pixel 2 maybe even the first pixel (but I never had the first pixel so can't confirm)
11:50 okay you COULD just shazam it... But I understand the appeal.
Gotta love Waveform
I've had the 7 Pro since launch and though it gets warm it's never got hot or shut off. I'm a fairly heavy user but I think I got lucky. I have a friend at work that has the same phone and his gets hot doing the same things I'm doing and mine doesn't. It seems to be a crap shoot on if you get a good chip or not. I love the phone and I think you have to start somewhere to get to where you are doing your own stuff so I give them props for doing something different. Should help pricing stay lower long term.
I get RGB because I want blue lights and for a while most things with only one color were either red or green and not blue. To this day, all my RGB devices are still set to blue.
Seing that weird looking Canon footage with it's desatured shadows and waxy skin in Waveform vs. your proper stuff shot on RED, RED definitely is the much better system.
I can't lie, the tensor G2 is great for all phone tasks I've not experienced any lag on my pixel 7 pro and the image processing is OP
ok fanboy
@@Demonhead1level headed response indeed
The image processing is more general purpose software though, and far older processors than the G2 are capable of running Android without lag. The key features of the G2 are the coprocessors for things like AI (literally tensor processing, hence the name) and security, which are nice to have but the core CPU architecture is a bit behind competitors.
I had the pixel since launch and all the tensor does it heat up for me
I'm loving Pixel. It's the way to go.
My Pixel 7 gets hot while scrolling through TikTok’s fyp. Doesn’t lag, but it gets noticeably hot.
"I think RGB was a mistake" LOL
'Now playing' is disappointing more times than not imo. Turns out I know way more music than my phone lol. But, I'm a HUGE music fan of many genres.
Hahahaaha.. that's quite funny.
Now the bigger issue is, how do I download you to my device is the question...😊
I have both a 7 pro and a fold. Neither of which gets any hotter than any other phone I've had.
Now playing feature can be done through Shazam.. auto Shazam mode
Wow waveform doing the bait and switch too huh. Google tensor overhyped? = beginning of video we gonna talk about the red camera for awhile
Google hit their peak with the three and four series phone
Its a complicated one, it gets hot pretty easily and doesnt give the best battery life. But im still on my pixel 6 pro and this is the smoothest phone i have ever used, i have an iphone as well and the pixel feels better than that phone plus you gotta remember google is undercutting the competition with the pricing.
I think once Google switches to TSMC or if Samsung stops making fire starters as chips Tensor will be good
Pixel 2 had the now playing feature
Now playing is pre-tensor. I’ve had it on my pixel 3.
Idk why people's phone is still overheating, since early July update my phone is damn near perfect
Tensor is definitely overhyped. Some people even compare it with the SD 8 gen 2 when it is not even as powerful as SD 8 gen 1.
It is just an above average processor but overhyped to flagship level processor.
Tensor is the reason I'm not buying a Pixel 😂
Overhyped and under cooled.
Reason why I can’t get the fold.. I refuse to pay that much for something sub par.
Dongels are neither over nor underhyped.
They're just useful 🙃
there is now playing on my pixel 4
second question was odd
Main issue - system UI crash, overheating
Yes, its basically equivalent to a snapdragon chip from 2-3 years ago while running hotter than an air fryer. Pixel in general is some of the most over hyped tech in a while the way TH-camrs excuse all their flaws.
Whilst I agree that Pixels have their fair share of flaws, I disagree with your opinion that they're super overhyped, there's tons of great things about them.
1 - Before the Pixel 6, they always had a compact model under 6", rare for most modern phone companies
2 - The cameras are amazing
3 - Tons of custom OS options, i.e GrapheneOS or CalyxOS
4 - Very affordable 2nd hand or open not used
5 - Comes with a clean android experience
I agree. They’re ok as phones.
@@lukemax6048 i run graphene on a pixel 7 pro, the battery life and phone overheating are seriously making me want to go back to IOS. with apple getting better with privacy it might happen but im not sure honestly
@@lukemax6048point 1 - iphone X, 8, SE were all sub 6", Samsung S7, 8, 9 too, Xperia minis, and so on. Point 4- happens with all Android phones. For the rest agreed.
Marques, in all fairness, you need to address the RED RAW patent controversy in some of your videos. It's a pretty huge topic under the cover.
The Threads user number thing reminds me of ICQ. 5-digit club
I love my pixel 7 pro and pixel tablet
No playing worked great on Pixel 5 which had... Snapdragon 756. If it can run Now playing, almost everything can :)
I love my Pixel 7 but i hate the chip. Gets hot all the time and its bad for the battery
10:45 ok I would HATE that.
I have now playing on my 4a
Everyone was shitting on Exynos - but loving the G2... I guess optimisation was better on the Pixels vs Samsung - but it's still not very fast or battery efficient
He really thought now playing was a Tensor only feature?😂 Dude was right tho, it never works with i want it to, idk why but it worked way better on my 4a 5G then my 6a
10:35 bahahaha there's no way only tensor can do Now Playing
You can get it on every phone running android 12 and above.
Tensor isn't amazing but it does the job pretty well. It gets real hot but performance is great on my pixel 7 pro
8:25 pixel community was like ok... It's better than the first gen at least 😅
I live in a relatively hot country and many times i have to cool down my pixel sandwiching between ice packs. Im gonna rid of it when i will receive it back from service center a month later for nothing phone 2.
Dongle app on your phone... scan a QR code (on the PC) with your phone (dongle app) to confirm... Million dollar idea ;)
Starts at 7:20
I have a Pixel 7Pro for 6 months now. I think its a nice phone, but not a flagship.
I am mostly dissapointed in battery. After 4 hours of heavy use, I have to recharge it.
Regarding the heat, it does feel warm during heavy usage, but it doesnt really bother me, and I really use it allot.
Other than that, Im using Multi-profiles, and the phone often gets stuck during switching.
Its really anoying and have to reboot the phone to get it running again. I read recently Chrome cause allot of problems with Pixel phones. After I switched to other browser, I didnt have issues anymore with multi-user.
Google over hyped their chip for what it is. The average pixel owner that I have ran into locally and myself being a pixel 7 owner; I wouldn't say it's hyped at all. For me its underwhelming because the chip was advertised to be the best at security. The phones thumb scanner and face unlock is so scuffed that I struggle Myself just to unlock my phone and spend about 10 seconds placing my thumb in the right position or aligning my face in decent lighting or putting my pin in. I look like I'm crazy attempting to unlock my phone in public so I just don't have a lock anymore.
I wouldnt call it overhyped, but rather over emphasized. The only one singing the chips praises is google themselves. And well from any company selling their own product-that’s expected.
But as for the marketing, they say all these pixel magic stuff or processing is due to the tensor chip, as if a snap dragon chip couldnt do it if google just allowed those chips to.
I like tensor g2 in my pixel 7. It is the smartest chip on a smartphone ever. It has enough power for all the tasks, the software experience is great, battery life improved as I used the phone and it just keeps getting better with updates, feature drops, etc. People forget how many features are running in the background (all pixel features and i have kept everything ON) and it still gives excellent performance and good battery life.
Well Google's poor quality control is the issue, not everyone has the same device as you, in fact more people have the faulty, overheating buggy Pixel 7s than the working devices, that's why Pixel's chipsets is getting criticized.
Most of the features that you're describing though are software features that aren't really dependent on having a G2. The G2 does have some key hardware features (it's the only Android processor with a proper answer to Apple's security coprocessors) but that doesn't make it more efficient at core processing tasks
Oh wow this the earliest I've been
Switching back to Apple after 7 years of android. Axon 7, OnePlus 6T and Google Pixel 7. The later heats up frequently. Even 6T seems faster sometimes. Google should go back to Snapdragon. Use all Google services, but hardware wise iPhone is better.
Having a pixel 7 pro i can say yes it is..its a mid range chip more or less. One of the main reasons i passed on the pixel fold...if putting last years chip in the phone and charging flagship money its last years mediocre tensor 2 chip not evena flagship chip...thats an absolute no go for what they are asking for that device. Its actually pretty comical they are getting people who actually buy it lol.
Is now playing that good? Isn't it just like Shazam?
nah. idk about you but i don't want my phone listening to everything 24/7 lol, shazam is better
Auto shazaam on samsung phones do the same thing as now playing
My oppo a72 runs hot u can feel the screen hot like hot hot the pixel 7a doesn't have this in the slightest the back may get a little warm with extensive gaming 4k recording ect but imho people chat crap and really really exaggerate this overheating
Everything Google makes is overhyped by these guys.
I traded in my pixel 7 cause I got tired of it feeling like a hot stove. Also battery life is mediocre. The Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 runs laps around it without sweating.
11:21 okay THATS annoying
Threads is overhyped af
Agree to disagree
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