India is that country , which even after 400 years of rule British failed to wipe out the culture from the indian souls. Unlike the african colonies, INDIA still holds on tight to its culture. India in my opinion is a self sufficient country, all you need is to look into the past and you would find an answer.
400 years? Where did you get that number. Yes, their presence is 400 years, not the rule. Effective British rule started in 1820 with the fall of the Maratha Empire.
DewanAhsan357 Please refer when East India company was formed. How they slowly gained power. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company. That was the beginning.
DewanAhsan357 Maratha Empire? Shivaji itself was a employee of Mughal and he formed maratha empire for maratha community in cast base but also used mughal empire money that was only valuable , Maratha was alliance of British it end after assassination of Patriotic Tipu Sulatan, If Tipu Tusltan was not assassinated British would have Lose their root in India.
jojo Tipu Sulthan was the ruler of Mysore, not India! India's power was lost when the Mughals were bought with money. Moreover Tipu Sulthan was a worse ruler than the Britishers. He just massacred and looted non Muslims, especially in Kerala.
sata aa Yes Tipu Sultan was Ruler of Mysore, true Muslim devotee and only ruler Opposed British, and Mysore and Tipu Sultan was very Crucial for British, He executed Traitors rulers of kerala who supported British to keep their untouchability, Kerla was lunatic asylum ( this swami vivekandan said) low class Hindu can't appear in front of high class, also low cast women not permitted cover their body in front of brahmins and Nairs but when Tipu reached Kerala banned that untouchability and give equal right to citizen , this mad kerala Nair and Brahmins in Disappointment , and they started conspiracy with english against tipu , that time death penalty was punishment for traitors.
While I agree the greatest contribution from the British Empire to India, was the English Language. However, plenty of countries that were never a British colony, managed to adapt English just as fine. Colonisation was never a necessity for English. The mere idea of "India benefited more from being a British Colony" is flabbergasting.
If you think English was the greatest contribution, I have a small incomplete list for you. You forget that India did not exist in its present form, it was collection of 600 princely states with economy based on primitive practices and suffered repeated invasions since 1000AD. It could not have competed with Industrial revolution taking place in Britain. The British modernised India: - Democracy - Rule of law - Innocent until proven guilty - Abolished Slavery, Sati, Thuggee and burning of lepers alive - Postal system - Civil Service - Canal irrigation system (esp. in Punjab and Andhra Pradesh) - English - Railways - Telegraph - 50 year trigonometrical survey - Survey of India (maps) - Geological survey - Zoological survey - Botanical Survey - Army - Navy - Parliament - Created cities like Bombay, Calcutta, Madras and Delhi - Defeated barbarian Tipu and handed back powers to Wodeyars. Super administration made Bangalore the capital and the power house it is today. - Modern system of government - Railways - 80 hill stations - Tea industry from scratch - Coal industry from scratch - Malaria and Small pox cure (deadliest killers at that time) - Power stations - Electricity - Bridges and roads - All your government deptt. has its origins from British period. - Created india by unifying it - Archaeological Survey - Discovered Ashoka and established a timeline to Indian history. Told this to Indians who had lost touch with its past after 700 years of invasions from Persia. - Established Asiatic society - Curzon preserved all monuments and historical sites. Ajanta- Ellora and Khajuraho discovery are some examples. The Taj Mahal was restored by Curzon with a British style park and curzon lamp. Now compare with what Mughals or any previous empires did for India.
Pumpkin K If you watched the video, you'd get an explanation for how the industrialisation of Britain was funded. I appreciate how you took time to make a list. Let me however remind you that you need to look at this list with the correct perspective. All this took shape over a period of 300 years of colonisation. Also, there are some rather unlikely claims in your list. Like: "Discovered Ashoka and established a timeline to Indian history. Told this to Indians who had lost touch with its past after 700 years of invasions from Persia." This is very much not true as these invasions were only affected in the northern regions. not to mention how they relied on "divide and conquer" Which is pretty much the opposite of what you claimed here. It should be rather obvious that none of the industries that none of the industries that you mentioned were built for the sake of India. And None of these Industries are currently India's main exports. To even consider all these as contributions, seems rather odd. Considering how India had been a suppressed country during this period. As for Malaria and Small pox cures, I am cetainly capable of listing a huge number of cures in Modern medicine that is based on Ayurveda. Or let's not forget how medical surgery is from India. I can continue expaining how most of the things listed here is not applicable in the sense. Just tell me you want me to do so. Otherwise, it's just a waste of my time. Hahaha, "Barbarian Tipu".
Kevin Varughese It is not possible to change someone's opinion but facts are facts - it is indisputable. I'm not claiming colonisation was for the benefit of Indians. You can't look back with 21st century glasses. It needs to be looked at with a perspective of what was happening at the time. 1757 was the battle of Plassey and they only got control to Bengal. Your claim of 300 years does not hold water. Divide and Conquer in an already divided country? That's tactics. They built alliances. Rajasthan was destroyed by Marathas who hired Pindaris - it was natural for the British to ally with Rajputs. I just don't understand why people keep repeating this "they were not done for the sake of India". Why would they? That's the whole purpose of colonisation - order of that period as done by French, Portuguese, Spanish, British etc. But India modernised as a result which is what India's success hinges upon. I suggest you read how Prinsep and Jones established Asiatic society and established a timeline to Indian History (Sandrakottus = Chandragupta). Prinsep deciphered Pali, Kharosti and Brahmi script which led to mapping of Ashoka's empire and establish the fact that Piyadassi was Ashoka. You claim India was suppressed. What makes you think India rocketed from 1000-1757? I'd like to remind you Bakhtiyar Khilji, Ghazni's 19 raids, Hemu-Mughal war and tower of skulls, Akbar's (the moderate) massacre in Chittor, Nadir Shah's general massacre .... Hinduism was on the decline. Mughals are potrayed as some heroes. Atrocities were rife during their period. You know about medical surgery or kerala school of mathematics or any other historic stuff because of the British. Look it up. Malaria (Ronald Ross) and Small pox (Edward Jenner) were biggest killers of that time. Again you are going back to something that was defunct at that time. You can continue explaining to yourself but the list (very incomplete) is an indisputable fact. You can "haha" Tipu - I can send you some links. I suppose you are not interested in facts but are willing to be brainwashed by school history books. Anyway, have a nice day. Before I finish, Please look at these alternatives - 1) french empire 2) 570 countries instead of India 3) Islamic state 4) Japanese empire doing rape of nanking in India. Time to go to bed. I'm bored now.
Pumpkin K Although I strongly disagree to many of the points. Let's just imagine there's truth to some of the stuff you say. I really don't see how any of that is a greater contribution than the English language itself. As this was what the initial comment stated. I "haha"-ed at how you referred to Tipu Sultan. "Barabarian" because he opposed the british. War and dispute between countries and kings were common other places as well, nothing unique to India at the time. If other countries made it through without being tuned into a colony, what's to say India wouldn't have been able to do so. Science and other studies of the sort, were common practise in India. Not much effort is needed to understand that a colony is purposefully suppressed. It's almost as if you didn't really watch the video.
Kevin Varughese I would say the greatest contribution was modernisation of India. The British governed by a common set of principles. It is no coincidence that its former colonies like Australia, Canada, US, Singapore, Hong Kong etc. are thriving. India should've been in the same list but Nehru went for Socialism and Licence Raj. If you think a video could change my mind after reading up on this topic for years, you could not be more wrong. You refer to India as if India existed in the same form at that time - 570 princely regions I'd like to remind you. England was ruled by Victoria for a long time - a stability factor in industrialisation. You seem to suggest the region was modern and flying high before the British. That's just rubbish. You can research into everything I wrote before you disagree. Tipu - still the barbarian. You need to look at his actions esp. in Kerala. Here's one such link voiceofdharma.org/books/tipu/ch02.htm . Glorifying him as some freedom fighter who fought the British is just idiotic. In fact the British did a favour by removing him and re-establishing Wodeyars whom he deposed. Bangalore - the village - became the capital and the Mysore state i.e. Karnataka started developing into a power house. I bet you've never heard of the Wodeyars or Mark Cubbon.
speaking up proud and loud for the mother land, what could be more patriotic than this in today's time, right?? no guns or swords needed, feel so proud!!!
@@rdpandey5664 Indians are only good in complaining. They complained about Mughals, then they complained about the British. Then they complained about the Congress party. Indians just complain. They don't improve themselves. The other thing Indians are good at is reproducing. That's why India wil be No. 1 in population.
@@rdpandey5664 Bro itna patta kyu deta hai? Ignore kar in chutiyon ko. Jitna bhi sudharo, bigde hue hue bacche kabhi sudharne nhi waale hai. After all hamare bachhe hi hai jo apne baap (india) ka property lekar apne bachchon ko khilate hai. Lol
It is better to learn and understand the fact, in order to avoid the repetition of the same history. We Indians should respect the other side also. This is just a debate to understand the fact based on the logical argument. Dr. Tharoor did it very well representing as a modern Indian !!!
I am sorry but the Black gentleman 'for the motion' has no idea what he is talking about! If you want to know where this world is heading and what happens next, one must remember and revisit history. History is the biggest teacher.
The fact that the Indians could speak English as good as the British shows supremacy of the Indians over them. Imagine, how many British could speak other languages so well. A common Indian could speak more than 2 languages fluently.
TL;DR: Debate was on: Did the Indian subcontinent benefited more than it lost from the experience of British colonialism As the debate began, its Chair, Labour MP Keith Vaz, called for an initial vote, which went 35 to 28 for the motion. (35 votes to yes it did benefited and 28 votes to no it did not benefit) When debate was over, voting took place again, and the needle had moved dramatically: 26 to 42 against. (26 votes to yes it did benefited and 42 votes to no it did not benefit) Not sure how the total votes increase by 5 towards the end!
Indranhari hari, Shashi Throor (MP) is a Malayalee Asshole who has created a Castism and Religion. Shashi Throor & that F/lady talking is another Asshole to talk about spilt milk!!!!!
I'm pretty sure that i've heard Mr.Tharoor's opening line before and that too from him in another debate(Hindu colg vs St Stephens)..I think that time it was elizabeth taylor's sixth husband rather than henry 8th's 6th wife..At least he's trying to improvise isn't he?..
Not sure who the gentleman, of African descent is. But it appears that he has been given a place on the panel purely to give it a diverse look. For him to base his views on a culture that is over 5000 years old, on a flying visit to the Jaipur Literary Festival, is so a ludicrous as to make any comment on it inconsequential. He seems to believe that all that happened in India, before the British colonised it, was the establishment of the Mughal Empire. Little realising that the Mughals themselves were invaders and looters, who then turned settlers. And that is when they built the magnificent cities that William Dalrymple was talking of, using the craftmanship of converted Indian artisans. Finally, the irrefutable point to settle this unnecessary debate is this - whether one talks of Vasca da Gama's voyage to Calicut, or the advent of the British, Dutch or the French, in India - none of them came looking for a blighted, impoverished land, which they wished to set right with the generous imparting of their language or systems. They all came to profit from trading with a hugely prosperous land; seizing upon the opportunity offered by small, warring princely states, almost totally devoid of naval power, to be completely overrun and colonised, they wasted no time in establishing their sovereignty over a land and people for whom they had no consideration whatsoever. Other than looking at them as ready-made resources for the prosperity of their mother countries.
Sridhar Kaushik Let us not judge people by the colour of their skins. Judge the proposition and not the person. He made valid points when he said we need to look at the benefits that have accrued and how that will help the nation in the future -whether incidental, accidental or conscious. It was a good argument that he put forth; we may reject it, but please do so on the merits of the argument, not the colour of the speaker.
debojyoti chanda Yes, talented in speech. He is also talented in spotting good looking females and befriending them, sometime marrying them! Nehru was also a good orator but was he good for India? That is a separate debate in itself!
Sridhar Kaushik Did Congress give him any space to anything substantial.. As an MP of Trivandrum from my home state, he has done a fairly good job... Well he was Under secretary general in UN, working as negotiator in great events like Yugoslav wars and was head of peace making committee in UN.. Has it not been for the vested interest of USA, he would have ended up being the Secretary General... Simple oratory cant get a man to that level. His career in India was marred by controversies half of which was unnecessary. I think you need to give this man a chance.
Of course, I know that I should hesitate before I jump in into a swords-drawn argument between Pumpkin K and Kevin Varughese. There is the minor point of whether in fact the much touted Industrial Revolution was the right path for the whole world to follow. Hindsight is gifted with 20-20 vision, so it is unfair to say today that the jury is still out on a possible ecosphere-saving non-industial revolution. The one fact that is not really mentioned in many debates is that India would not have stayed frozen in her momentum of growth if the British had not colonised her. Perhaps she would have done the immensely wiser thing to progress along a much more sustainable growth trajectory and could have been the source of an alternate wisdom the world could have benefited from. This is something we will never now know, and this fact sits squarely at the doorstep of the colonisers!
From honest people like Darlymple and others we learn this: Britain enriched itself by looting India's wealth. The good things that happened were only incidental, not deliberate.
the Black man thinking English Language as Miracle Language stupid. Mughal used Urdu and Persian and is one of the most sweet language of the world ever, because there is no language like URDU Persian using most respected words and wish. this black man must understand china growing with English Language?
Shashi Tharoor Living Legend of India, the African speaker doesn't know anything about Mughal , if mughal was not secular all India would have changed to their favor. British looted India Gold Diamond even under wear of Mughal King which made with pearl and diamond. the Crown of British Queen also made with looted Diamond. British looted Precious Indian KOHINOOR Ratna still with Queen's Palace.
The Jury is still out on what is better: China's autocratic rule with highly impressive growth or India's parliamentary democracy with unequal, unimpressive growth. Just a few stats will suffice. India's literacy rate: 73% China's more than 90%. India's Neonatal Death rate: 30 plus per 1000 live births. China's 1/3rd of this. Tax payers in India: 3% of population. China: 20%!
William Dalrymple control most of the literary events in India. It is time we take it back in our own hands. Need no gora sahib telling us about our culture and worse controlling the discourse.
in their chambers and mahagony furnished rooms and halls, such people talk endlessly, in their most honest of belief and in their exalted self importance and ignorance feel that their thoughts in an English institution, that their rotten and often shallow opinion matters. let me humbly tell you, it doesnt matter. no body cares. also William is a horrible historian with little knowledge except for his romantising of Mughal history. Sashi tharoor who has the better knowledge, will also try to white wash the blunders by congress, yet he is the one to make sense.
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India is that country , which even after 400 years of rule British failed to wipe out the culture from the indian souls. Unlike the african colonies, INDIA still holds on tight to its culture. India in my opinion is a self sufficient country, all you need is to look into the past and you would find an answer.
400 years? Where did you get that number. Yes, their presence is 400 years, not the rule. Effective British rule started in 1820 with the fall of the Maratha Empire.
DewanAhsan357 Please refer when East India company was formed. How they slowly gained power. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company. That was the beginning.
DewanAhsan357 Maratha Empire? Shivaji itself was a employee of Mughal and he formed maratha empire for maratha community in cast base but also used mughal empire money that was only valuable , Maratha was alliance of British it end after assassination of Patriotic Tipu Sulatan, If Tipu Tusltan was not assassinated British would have Lose their root in India.
jojo
Tipu Sulthan was the ruler of Mysore, not India! India's power was lost when the Mughals were bought with money. Moreover Tipu Sulthan was a worse ruler than the Britishers. He just massacred and looted non Muslims, especially in Kerala.
sata aa Yes Tipu Sultan was Ruler of Mysore, true Muslim devotee and only ruler Opposed British, and Mysore and Tipu Sultan was very Crucial for British, He executed Traitors rulers of kerala who supported British to keep their untouchability, Kerla was lunatic asylum ( this swami vivekandan said) low class Hindu can't appear in front of high class, also low cast women not permitted cover their body in front of brahmins and Nairs but when Tipu reached Kerala banned that untouchability and give equal right to citizen , this mad kerala Nair and Brahmins in Disappointment , and they started conspiracy with english against tipu , that time death penalty was punishment for traitors.
The sound is almost inaudible due to the Echoe.
Very badly recorded. If the intent was to post, then it should have been done through the audio system alone, which is a common practice.
Goosebumps...
While I agree the greatest contribution from the British Empire to India, was the English Language. However, plenty of countries that were never a British colony, managed to adapt English just as fine. Colonisation was never a necessity for English.
The mere idea of "India benefited more from being a British Colony" is flabbergasting.
If you think English was the greatest contribution, I have a small incomplete list for you. You forget that India did not exist in its present form, it was collection of 600 princely states with economy based on primitive practices and suffered repeated invasions since 1000AD. It could not have competed with Industrial revolution taking place in Britain. The British modernised India:
- Democracy
- Rule of law
- Innocent until proven guilty
- Abolished Slavery, Sati, Thuggee and burning of lepers alive
- Postal system
- Civil Service
- Canal irrigation system (esp. in Punjab and Andhra Pradesh)
- English
- Railways
- Telegraph
- 50 year trigonometrical survey
- Survey of India (maps)
- Geological survey
- Zoological survey
- Botanical Survey
- Army
- Navy
- Parliament
- Created cities like Bombay, Calcutta, Madras and Delhi
- Defeated barbarian Tipu and handed back powers to Wodeyars. Super administration made Bangalore the capital and the power house it is today.
- Modern system of government
- Railways
- 80 hill stations
- Tea industry from scratch
- Coal industry from scratch
- Malaria and Small pox cure (deadliest killers at that time)
- Power stations
- Electricity
- Bridges and roads
- All your government deptt. has its origins from British period.
- Created india by unifying it
- Archaeological Survey
- Discovered Ashoka and established a timeline to Indian history. Told this to Indians who had lost touch with its past after 700 years of invasions from Persia.
- Established Asiatic society
- Curzon preserved all monuments and historical sites. Ajanta- Ellora and Khajuraho discovery are some examples. The Taj Mahal was restored by Curzon with a British style park and curzon lamp.
Now compare with what Mughals or any previous empires did for India.
Pumpkin K If you watched the video, you'd get an explanation for how the industrialisation of Britain was funded.
I appreciate how you took time to make a list. Let me however remind you that you need to look at this list with the correct perspective. All this took shape over a period of 300 years of colonisation.
Also, there are some rather unlikely claims in your list. Like:
"Discovered Ashoka and established a timeline to Indian history. Told this to Indians who had lost touch with its past after 700 years of invasions from Persia."
This is very much not true as these invasions were only affected in the northern regions. not to mention how they relied on "divide and conquer" Which is pretty much the opposite of what you claimed here.
It should be rather obvious that none of the industries that none of the industries that you mentioned were built for the sake of India. And None of these Industries are currently India's main exports.
To even consider all these as contributions, seems rather odd. Considering how India had been a suppressed country during this period.
As for Malaria and Small pox cures, I am cetainly capable of listing a huge number of cures in Modern medicine that is based on Ayurveda. Or let's not forget how medical surgery is from India.
I can continue expaining how most of the things listed here is not applicable in the sense. Just tell me you want me to do so. Otherwise, it's just a waste of my time.
Hahaha, "Barbarian Tipu".
Kevin Varughese It is not possible to change someone's opinion but facts are facts - it is indisputable. I'm not claiming colonisation was for the benefit of Indians. You can't look back with 21st century glasses. It needs to be looked at with a perspective of what was happening at the time. 1757 was the battle of Plassey and they only got control to Bengal. Your claim of 300 years does not hold water.
Divide and Conquer in an already divided country? That's tactics. They built alliances. Rajasthan was destroyed by Marathas who hired Pindaris - it was natural for the British to ally with Rajputs.
I just don't understand why people keep repeating this "they were not done for the sake of India". Why would they? That's the whole purpose of colonisation - order of that period as done by French, Portuguese, Spanish, British etc. But India modernised as a result which is what India's success hinges upon.
I suggest you read how Prinsep and Jones established Asiatic society and established a timeline to Indian History (Sandrakottus = Chandragupta). Prinsep deciphered Pali, Kharosti and Brahmi script which led to mapping of Ashoka's empire and establish the fact that Piyadassi was Ashoka.
You claim India was suppressed. What makes you think India rocketed from 1000-1757? I'd like to remind you Bakhtiyar Khilji, Ghazni's 19 raids, Hemu-Mughal war and tower of skulls, Akbar's (the moderate) massacre in Chittor, Nadir Shah's general massacre ....
Hinduism was on the decline. Mughals are potrayed as some heroes. Atrocities were rife during their period.
You know about medical surgery or kerala school of mathematics or any other historic stuff because of the British. Look it up. Malaria (Ronald Ross) and Small pox (Edward Jenner) were biggest killers of that time. Again you are going back to something that was defunct at that time.
You can continue explaining to yourself but the list (very incomplete) is an indisputable fact. You can "haha" Tipu - I can send you some links. I suppose you are not interested in facts but are willing to be brainwashed by school history books.
Anyway, have a nice day. Before I finish, Please look at these alternatives - 1) french empire 2) 570 countries instead of India 3) Islamic state 4) Japanese empire doing rape of nanking in India.
Time to go to bed. I'm bored now.
Pumpkin K Although I strongly disagree to many of the points. Let's just imagine there's truth to some of the stuff you say. I really don't see how any of that is a greater contribution than the English language itself. As this was what the initial comment stated.
I "haha"-ed at how you referred to Tipu Sultan. "Barabarian" because he opposed the british.
War and dispute between countries and kings were common other places as well, nothing unique to India at the time. If other countries made it through without being tuned into a colony, what's to say India wouldn't have been able to do so.
Science and other studies of the sort, were common practise in India. Not much effort is needed to understand that a colony is purposefully suppressed.
It's almost as if you didn't really watch the video.
Kevin Varughese
I would say the greatest contribution was modernisation of India. The British governed by a common set of principles. It is no coincidence that its former colonies like Australia, Canada, US, Singapore, Hong Kong etc. are thriving. India should've been in the same list but Nehru went for Socialism and Licence Raj. If you think a video could change my mind after reading up on this topic for years, you could not be more wrong.
You refer to India as if India existed in the same form at that time - 570 princely regions I'd like to remind you. England was ruled by Victoria for a long time - a stability factor in industrialisation. You seem to suggest the region was modern and flying high before the British. That's just rubbish.
You can research into everything I wrote before you disagree. Tipu - still the barbarian. You need to look at his actions esp. in Kerala. Here's one such link voiceofdharma.org/books/tipu/ch02.htm . Glorifying him as some freedom fighter who fought the British is just idiotic. In fact the British did a favour by removing him and re-establishing Wodeyars whom he deposed. Bangalore - the village - became the capital and the Mysore state i.e. Karnataka started developing into a power house. I bet you've never heard of the Wodeyars or Mark Cubbon.
Congratulations Dr Tharoor
Well done Tharoor ji ...
What Shashi Tharoor said is a statement with substance.
Yes its absoylty right thanks shashi tharoor ji......
Respect to William Dalrymple for speaking up the way it is...
speaking up proud and loud for the mother land, what could be more patriotic than this in today's time, right?? no guns or swords needed, feel so proud!!!
Congrats Dr Tharoor.
"Sun never sets in British Emperor because even god can't trust englishmen in dark"
"Cricket is an Indian game accidently inveted by british"
How did you come to that conclusion about Cricket?
Shashi Tharoor is the man!!!
Great points by Shashi Tharoor!
Poor Indians crying like little babies about their colonisation. The Chinese don't complain but march straight ahead to get their revenge.
@@reardelt if chana did not compalin it did't mean that we do the same thing. your urgue is completly baseless
@@rdpandey5664 Indians are only good in complaining. They complained about Mughals, then they complained about the British. Then they complained about the Congress party. Indians just complain. They don't improve themselves. The other thing Indians are good at is reproducing. That's why India wil be No. 1 in population.
@@rdpandey5664 Bro itna patta kyu deta hai? Ignore kar in chutiyon ko. Jitna bhi sudharo, bigde hue hue bacche kabhi sudharne nhi waale hai. After all hamare bachhe hi hai jo apne baap (india) ka property lekar apne bachchon ko khilate hai. Lol
I salute Sasi Tharoor. Wonderful speech as usual.
Shashi tharur at 32:09
It is better to learn and understand the fact, in order to avoid the repetition of the same history. We Indians should respect the other side also. This is just a debate to understand the fact based on the logical argument. Dr. Tharoor did it very well representing as a modern Indian !!!
I am sorry but the Black gentleman 'for the motion' has no idea what he is talking about! If you want to know where this world is heading and what happens next, one must remember and revisit history. History is the biggest teacher.
It's all token anyway.
As Mr. Tharoor has demonstrated, even an acknowledgement is not forthcoming.
All in good time.
Tharoor must be cheered for this one..
Congratulations Sir...
The Pakistani guest debated like a Pakistani science news reader. :)
Pakistani science news reader? wonder what will be that science? XD
Good speech tharoor ji.. 👍
As usual Shashi rocked
The fact that the Indians could speak English as good as the British shows supremacy of the Indians over them. Imagine, how many British could speak other languages so well. A common Indian could speak more than 2 languages fluently.
True my dear!✌️😉
TL;DR:
Debate was on: Did the Indian subcontinent benefited more than it lost from the experience of British colonialism
As the debate began, its Chair, Labour MP Keith Vaz, called for an initial vote, which went 35 to 28 for the motion. (35 votes to yes it did benefited and 28 votes to no it did not benefit)
When debate was over, voting took place again, and the needle had moved dramatically: 26 to 42 against. (26 votes to yes it did benefited and 42 votes to no it did not benefit)
Not sure how the total votes increase by 5 towards the end!
At start, it was 32 in favour and 25 against
Sashi Tharoor rocks allways
Poor Indians crying like little babies about their colonisation. The Chinese don't complain but march straight ahead to get their revenge.
Indranhari hari, Shashi Throor (MP) is a Malayalee Asshole who has created a Castism and Religion. Shashi Throor & that F/lady talking is another Asshole to talk about spilt milk!!!!!
True!✌️😉 Indranhari hari.
shashi tharoor can become next Krishna Menon
JUST A REALITY...
Worst audio recording. I fixed an external speaker. Still not clearly audible
great tharoor jee
India is not too rich for aid. The west is too cheap as you can't expect a thief to return stolen goods
great ,Tarurji
Matchless speech by Shashi Tharoor.
Love from Bengal..
A Debate without excellent sound system?
I'm pretty sure that i've heard Mr.Tharoor's opening line before and that too from him in another debate(Hindu colg vs St Stephens)..I think that time it was elizabeth taylor's sixth husband rather than henry 8th's 6th wife..At least he's trying to improvise isn't he?..
Not sure who the gentleman, of African descent is. But it appears that he has been given a place on the panel purely to give it a diverse look. For him to base his views on a culture that is over 5000 years old, on a flying visit to the Jaipur Literary Festival, is so a ludicrous as to make any comment on it inconsequential. He seems to believe that all that happened in India, before the British colonised it, was the establishment of the Mughal Empire. Little realising that the Mughals themselves were invaders and looters, who then turned settlers. And that is when they built the magnificent cities that William Dalrymple was talking of, using the craftmanship of converted Indian artisans. Finally, the irrefutable point to settle this unnecessary debate is this - whether one talks of Vasca da Gama's voyage to Calicut, or the advent of the British, Dutch or the French, in India - none of them came looking for a blighted, impoverished land, which they wished to set right with the generous imparting of their language or systems. They all came to profit from trading with a hugely prosperous land; seizing upon the opportunity offered by small, warring princely states, almost totally devoid of naval power, to be completely overrun and colonised, they wasted no time in establishing their sovereignty over a land and people for whom they had no consideration whatsoever. Other than looking at them as ready-made resources for the prosperity of their mother countries.
In Indian politics, some one like Tharoor will have hard time to become PM, although he is very talented and recognised internationally.
I can't believe that a black man here is defending British Colonialism!
Sridhar Kaushik Let us not judge people by the colour of their skins. Judge the proposition and not the person.
He made valid points when he said we need to look at the benefits that have accrued and how that will help the nation in the future -whether incidental, accidental or conscious. It was a good argument that he put forth; we may reject it, but please do so on the merits of the argument, not the colour of the speaker.
sashi used the right linesgiving pain to the soul, body...yeah you have to say in that manner.
the end note is cutoff or edited.. wonder y
what did shashi say at 37:16...audio is not clear...the joke abt english and pgwodehouse...
Well Said bro,Great debate!!!!
We should send a bill.:)
English is just a language, take control of it, use it but, don't get enslaved by it.
Well Said
tharoor is the man.......
Damn tharoor is talented ..I never knew that.maybe he never given such speech in India..lol..tharoor is good..but really why he is congress?,damn.
***** yeah u r right ..as long as they have a whitch queen Sonia ruling them..feeding his stupid son and different party puppies on black money...
As much corrupt Congress is, there's really no other political party in the country where a man of tharoor's credential and background be a part.
debojyoti chanda
Yes, talented in speech. He is also talented in spotting good looking females and befriending them, sometime marrying them!
Nehru was also a good orator but was he good for India? That is a separate debate in itself!
MultiNethen
Has he done anything substantial than giving fine speeches in Queen's English? I doubt it.
Sridhar Kaushik Did Congress give him any space to anything substantial.. As an MP of Trivandrum from my home state, he has done a fairly good job... Well he was Under secretary general in UN, working as negotiator in great events like Yugoslav wars and was head of peace making committee in UN.. Has it not been for the vested interest of USA, he would have ended up being the Secretary General... Simple oratory cant get a man to that level. His career in India was marred by controversies half of which was unnecessary. I think you need to give this man a chance.
Of course, I know that I should hesitate before I jump in into a swords-drawn argument between Pumpkin K and Kevin Varughese. There is the minor point of whether in fact the much touted Industrial Revolution was the right path for the whole world to follow. Hindsight is gifted with 20-20 vision, so it is unfair to say today that the jury is still out on a possible ecosphere-saving non-industial revolution. The one fact that is not really mentioned in many debates is that India would not have stayed frozen in her momentum of growth if the British had not colonised her. Perhaps she would have done the immensely wiser thing to progress along a much more sustainable growth trajectory and could have been the source of an alternate wisdom the world could have benefited from. This is something we will never now know, and this fact sits squarely at the doorstep of the colonisers!
Jyoti Thyagarajan
Exactly. And yet nobody mentions it. Japan would be a prime example to justify this conjecture.
Wow wow!!!!
superb
amazing speech
Who is the lady who reads off the paper in the beginning?
ഇത്രയും ശക്തമായ ഭാഷയിൽ പ്രതികരിക്കാൻ കഴിഞ്ഞ തരൂരിന് അഭിനന്ദനങ്ങൾ...
who is the first lady who spoke
audio bad
Great speech Tarur sir
From honest people like Darlymple and others we learn this: Britain enriched itself by looting India's wealth. The good things that happened were only incidental, not deliberate.
Honestly Graphic is very bad it ruin the whole presentation
Anyone know how I can download this video??
many TH-cam down load websites available
thanks for reply, do u reccomend any?
keepvid dot com
this is for u my black gentleman who was born in India ,and don't know any thing
sorry not born*
Sashi will nail you given just if you give him a moment to speak...HAHAHA
the Black man thinking English Language as Miracle Language stupid. Mughal used Urdu and Persian and is one of the most sweet language of the world ever, because there is no language like URDU Persian using most respected words and wish. this black man must understand china growing with English Language?
jojo are u a converted Muslim
Speaking of the first counter argument of the Empire side, how come history is not related to the future? Your argument is called fallacy you know!
Shashi Tharoor Living Legend of India, the African speaker doesn't know anything about Mughal , if mughal was not secular all India would have changed to their favor. British looted India Gold Diamond even under wear of Mughal King which made with pearl and diamond. the Crown of British Queen also made with looted Diamond. British looted Precious Indian KOHINOOR Ratna still with Queen's Palace.
That girl reads what she just wrote she’s not a debater she’s better to be newscaster
this speech is hollow. cant hear properly
The Jury is still out on what is better: China's autocratic rule with highly impressive growth or India's parliamentary democracy with unequal, unimpressive growth.
Just a few stats will suffice.
India's literacy rate: 73% China's more than 90%.
India's Neonatal Death rate: 30 plus per 1000 live births. China's 1/3rd of this.
Tax payers in India: 3% of population. China: 20%!
If you think economic growth is more important than an individuals freedom and liberty, you deserve a master and will get one.
Robbers
An African supporting colonisation . Did hi know how the word apartheid came into existanse.
you have the oval,we have LAGAN....
you have oval we have lagaan ..... epic
William Dalrymple control most of the literary events in India. It is time we take it back in our own hands. Need no gora sahib telling us about our culture and worse controlling the discourse.
in their chambers and mahagony furnished rooms and halls, such people talk endlessly, in their most honest of belief and in their exalted self importance and ignorance feel that their thoughts in an English institution, that their rotten and often shallow opinion matters. let me humbly tell you, it doesnt matter. no body cares.
also William is a horrible historian with little knowledge except for his romantising of Mughal history. Sashi tharoor who has the better knowledge, will also try to white wash the blunders by congress, yet he is the one to make sense.
Shashi Tharoor should now write a book on tyranny of Indians mainly Hindus under Muslim rule
we asking you to compensate our wealth,money..you looted killed million of people..shame.how cld u foreget past.if sum1 kil ur dad.will u forgiv.
Plagiarism by Tharoor from another source. What a pseudo intellectual.