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Just got this mower. I love it. There is a delay like he said when trying to reverse which is kind of a pain in the butt. You just have to be patient with it. That wouldn't prevent me from purchasing it again. I'd buy it again and I'm very impressed with it overall.
Picked this one at Costco for $500 with two batteries plus a Costco 8 year warranty on the battery and mower. Coming from mowing with a 12 yr old craftsman that was held together with zip ties, band clamps and duct tape, this was like a spaceship. Worth it!
I recently bought this mower and...I love it! Its actually enjoyable to mow the lawn now. I like how its lighter and so much easier to control, including stowing in my limited-space garage. Its definetly worth the money and hopefully will be the last mower I ever need to buy.
Going on 3 years with the 60v version of this mower. The 2 points that you mentioned here you will quickly get over and get use to the slight hesitation when first starting. When I engage the self propell I'm already beginning to push it so you don't notice it really. As for the locking up, if you release the self propell about a foot or so before turning that does not happen. I love the mower so much that I sold my Honda Hrx217. By the way, switch the mulch blade for the included high lift blade. You will get a much better cut. Also, being the blade is so thin I sharpen it every month with that Arnold wheel that attaches to a drill. I leave the blade on the mower while doing that as well.
I just ran this for the first time today and yeah the things you said you hated about it was true. However you can just let go of the accellerator a few seconds before you turn, the momentum should allow you to get to where you need to be, and by then the wheels will unlock and you're free to turn. That was the adjustment that I did within 15 minutes of using it and there's no problem as far as that's concerned
Yep, it's an adjustment of old habits, not a show stopper for sure. I now have about 7 or 8 tools from Greenworks... I've drank the Greenworks Green Kool-Aid...
I used my Greenworks Pro 80V the first time a few days ago. It's awesome. While there is a slight pause when drive mode is engaged, it is so brief that it does not affect the performance at all for me. I prefer rear drive because of superior traction, especially going up a grade. I bought my mower from Costco online. It was delivered to my garage door, wonderfully packaged. Assembly is a snap. While the Costco package comes with a single-battery charger, it took under an hour to charge each battery from new. Not a problem at all. When you're finished mowing, it stows safely in your garage or shed by folding the handle and rotating the mower vertically. I'm just so very pleased with this mower.
I agree, it's pretty slick. I had zero intentions of "going green" any time soon but am very pleased with the product, the power, and overall simplicity. So far my best purchase of the year!
I have the Costco version of this. It also comes with a high lift blade if that helps anyone. So far I am very happy with it. It's definitely overkill for my lawn, but for $100 more than the base EGO push model along with Costco's perks, I decided to give it a shot. I've noticed the self propel issue as well on my first cut. What I did on my second cut was I just let go of the trigger about a foot or so from where I wanted to end and just push over that last bit. Didn't have any issues with it on that second cut. I think for most people you will be able to get used to it and figure out what works for you.
Costco version should be identical except for the single bay charger... Agree each mowing getting more used to letting off on the self propel to ease with turning or pulling backwards. I like it so far!
I have this mower as well and it is a really great. Moved from gas to electric. But there are things I have not gotten used to yet. 1.) The speed control is easy to bump and change when you turn. I would prefer a less continuous control with settings that click in place or a lower profile knob design, 2.) it takes a while for the self-propelled clutch to disengage so moving forward and then pulling back is not fluid and 3.) while the mower is supposed to change over batteries automatically, the mower sometimes stops and it takes a while (15-30sec) for the system to switch batteries. These are minor inconveniences for a really great mower. Quiet, powerful, and takes up hardly any space in the garage. No oil or gas to worry about.
Agree on all points. I’ve however not had the issues with the battery switch over. I have had it turn off when my bay is near full. Not sure if there is a sensor or if this is a coincidence.
I own this mower. The mower works well. Three issues that are less than good, first, the control for self propell seems to constantly shift; second, the mower stops occasionally and you must take out and put the safety key back in; and third , you can pinch your figures by the hand controls if you don't watch out.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I don't have the self shifting issue with self-propel but I wish it was truly more variable than it seems. The intermediate stopping happened a few times to me and it seemed to me like the batteries were losing contact or something, mine would restart w/out pulling the safety key, i'd just wiggle the batteries and it would start up. Haven't experienced the pinching either but see how that might happen. Thanks for watching and commenting!
The key to disengaging the rear wheels is to manually push the mower forward a few inches after turning off the self propel drive. If you try to turn or back up immediately after turning off self propel without pushing the mower forward, the rear wheels will remain locked. Not sure if other mowers are like that, but it's just one of those things you get used to.
I bought the 25" dual blade version of this self propelled mower. Its a very powerful mower. I do not notice a lag when engaging the self propelled feature. I do however notice the rear wheels staying locked for a couple seconds after disengaging the self propelled handle. It can be annoying but I've learned to just push it forward a bit after releasing the self propelled handle and they disengage. I have a thick lawn and it requires the *turbo* mode for much of it. If I don't engage turbo mode it results in uneven cutting. So turbo mode is great but sucks up quite a bit of battery. One negative is the weight distribution. It holds 2 batteries and will automatically switch to the 2nd battery when the 1st one dies. Great feature for sure. However the weight of the batteries plus the rear wheel drive can cause the mower to do a sort of wheelie when first engaging self propelled. So if you get the 25" version you will need to adjust to the mower's mannerisms and idiosyncrasies. Its a very solid mower and if you bag the grass clippings, it's fantastic. Best bagger ever. Just be aware there's a learning curve.
Same here regarding the self-propelled feature - I push it forward for just a foot or two after disengaging the the real wheels in turn unlock and you can back up to do a tight turn as needed.
I absolutely love rear wheel drive mowers. If you are mowing up hill or just driving the mower up a hill you definitely want rear drive. That way when the front wheels lose grip as the front wheels down force is decreased going up a steep hill you don't loose grip at the rear drive wheels. It also makes it easier to do a fast tight u-turn by rocking back on the back wheels and turning while it's in drive.
We’ve learned to appreciate the rear wheel as well although because this mower is lightweight my kids end up letting the front come up too much and mow a bit uneven but works well for me.
I just used the same mower for the first time and I mostly loved it. When I disengage the drive and pull back, the wheels are locked. I guess it takes a while to release, but I'll get used to it. I bought it on the Greenworks site and it came with the single charger, a 4 amp and a 2 amp battery. No problem for me, since it only takes 20 minutes to mow my lawn. I'm looking forward to buying the string trimmer too.
Agree on the delayed disengage of the rear tires. Feel like there could have been a better solution but we’ve gotten used to it. I have the string trimmer and blower combination both work great. Here is my review of the blower. Still need to review the string trimmer. th-cam.com/video/KPVBUpT7dlU/w-d-xo.html
Disengage the drive, keep pushing the mower forward manually for a foot or two then you can pull it back or do a tight turn. When you keep pushing forward for just a bit it after you disengage the self propelled feature that unlocks the wheels. You get better at with a little practice.
Just ran across your video based on my obsessive researching on most things I like or buy. I've had multiple GW 80v products for a few years now; backpack blower, string trimmer, hedge trimmer, 18" chainsaw. My toro push mower, I got 11 or 12 cutting seasons out of it, just had it's first major mechanic issue last week. So, since I'm well invested into the GW 80v world, I took the leap of faith and ordered the 21" gen 2 mower. Man, you couldn't be more correct on the hap-hazard layout of their website. I'm a super techy, geeky, kinda guy and I got confused on what model I was buying, they have 2 different Gen 2 models(push vs self propelled at the same price but with different battery combos) and I ended up with the gen 2 21" push mower instead of the gen 2 21" self propelled, none self pace, model. Thankfully they have a reasonable return policy and it only cost me about $45 to ship the first one I ordered back, but it definitely tripped me up. Totally my fault, but I definitely think they've got a lot of room for improvement on the UI/UX of their website. I purchased their 60v self propelled mower last year for my parents to use around their garden. I fell in love with how easy it was to adjust and the folding feature, to help keep the deck clean, was one of those, it's some simple and so helpful, I couldn't wait to get one for myself. I almost pulled the trigger on their newer 80v 25" deck model, but thankfully saw another reviewer who mentioned that it doesn't offer side discharge. So, that was a bit of a deal breaker for me.
Great video. I just bought the Costco one. I don't think the charger will be an issue for me, though if I go all in on Greenworks products maybe I'll buy the fuel charger. With regards to Teslas, you heard wrong. They have immediate and powerful torque. They're the best cars money can buy. Thanks for the video!
Great to hear! It's a great mower and I've since bought the trimmer, edger, hedge trimmer, blower, chainsaw and snow blower... I've got about 5 batteries so never have to worry about it not getting the job done regardless of the tool I'm using. I have videos of all of those tools in this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PL1A8tIKFgP4Bp1XcwXP60qp59axAtpU-z.html
I got the mower from Costco with the $100.00 discount and 8 year warranty on batteries which is great since batteries are expensive to replace once they die. I do wish that the battery compartment door would stay open on its own. It a pain to keep it propped up with one hand and then try to remove the batteries with the other hand, especially since the batteries are not light!
Yeh the Costco deal was a good one. Unfortunately I bought about a month before they announced having them. I have to agree on the battery door. That’s an excellent point and I agree the batteries most certainly are not lightweight. Thanks for watching and commenting! Good luck with your mower!
Got mine at Best Buy and it's the same one as the Costco version. I've noticed the wheels tend to lock up when I disengage the transmission to pull it backwards or make a turn. I found out through trial and error that giving it a slight nudge forward before I pull it backwards or turn it will unlock the rear wheels so they roll instead of skidding across the lawn.
Long time green works pro user. Have the mower trimmer and blower. All 60v. I’ve landscaped using all gas products on the side for years prior to owning these. I can say every electric variant has a break in time… for you almost they al have their quirks but after owning them for several years I mow much more efficiently and none of the issues have remained issues. I’ve either thoughtlessly worked over them or have managed doing simple things like applying the gas sooner as well as when turning using the mowers locking of the wheels to my advantage. Love the video quick and informative.
Appreciate the feedback and confirmation on the great products! We are enjoying it! Wasn't thinking of going to electric quite yet but my 14 year old daughter is mowing lawns to raise money for a trip to France... I figured less mess with fuel and maintenance the better. She is enjoying it and has already raised over $400 and has all summer to go. Thanks again for the support!
I have a Chevy Bolt and there is no delay between accelerating and the car taking off, it's instantaneous. I have never heard of that electric car delay issue. Looks like a nice mower, just worried about the batteries only lasting a few years and then having to buy new ones.
Yeh, I think I may have been backwards on my electric car scenario... have been corrected by a few folks... Maybe unlike gas engines that dump fuel into the carb and then take off the electric cars are instantaneous... definitely not the case for this mower there is a delay. So the batteries are 4 year warranty from Greenworks and if you buy from Costco they double the warranty to 8 years. I have Milwaukee and Dewalt tools that have lasted years with no problems on the batteries... i think the tech is getting much better but I'm definitely not a lithium ion battery expert. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@hardybrothersproductreviews yep I have driven evs and they are instant with zero delay. I believe you about this mower because the makita has a 3 second delay in its self propel altho no delay letting off.
I have a Greenworks like this one but also have a Kobalt that uses (almost) the exact same batteries. I've been mowing with it since 2017 and haven't noticed any battery degradation.
Hey Bob, I wanted to step over and check out that commercial stuff while down in Moultrie but didn't get a chance. I've got quite a bit of the 80V home products for use in the burbs but would love to get my hands on one of the zero turns and stuff like that... Know anyone with connections... lol - Josh
I purchased this at Costco in May of this year. It cuts really well unless I use the self propel mode. It cuts nice and level when using it in push mode. When I switch to self propel mode it cuts noticeably uneven on each pass, left side cuts higher than the right side. This has been a bit frustrating because when you pay for a self propelled mower you expect a nice even cut. Has anyone else experienced this and if so have you been able to fix it. I’m debating returning it and re buying it as I’ve not been made aware of others experiencing this problem. Otherwise it has been really easy and fun to use.
I’ve not had this experience. There were two blades in the Costco version, have you tried switching blades? Odd that it’s happening but I’d leverage the Costco return policy and try a new one. Too expensive to not be working as expected.
Great review I just recently got the Harbor Freight Atlas version that looks almost exactly the same for only $215 before tax with a 20% off coupon and I already had 4 batteries but I bought the fast charger but it only charges 1 battery at a time and it still isn't that fast but it's definitely faster than the older super slow charger that I had from before but I already had several of the Atlas tools like the 80v chainsaw, 80v weed eater and 80v pole saw and they used to have a push version of the same mower from Atlas that the wheels wouldn't spin and it was like $60 cheaper that I wanted to get because I just want to push it to save battery life and that 1 was cheaper but for some reason they discontinued it so right now they only have the 1 self-propelled 80v Atlas version that you can still push but it has that extra bar that you can squeeze so that the wheels will make it go but I don't hardly use it because I don't want to kill the battery quicker but they look real similar but I like that your batteries are pretty big and you have a fast double charger that's awesome for sure but then that makes it cost a lot more but great review!
Have no experience with the Harbor Freight version but sounds its worth a look. I think the key with any of these is pick a platform and stick with it so you have plenty of batteries. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Used mine for the very first time. Got my front and side lawn before battery gave out.. charged it up about 30 min. Got the back done. Didnt use the bag. I only got one battery.. and purchased on Amazon
What size battery? 4amh or 5amh? It seems they have switched to a single battery model since I bought mine. Costco was still selling the double battery version.
Good Review..👍🏼 Still not sold on Battery 🔋 powered mowers or tractors.. My Husqvarna 21” mower with gas Honda GS160 come in @ 83 decibels.. Higher pitch of Battery 🔋 mower has higher pitch in my opinion is more damaging to 🦻🏻 Wear hearing protection
Thanks! Yep, I get it. As I was pulling out of my driveway yesterday and I was watching my neighbors college aged body builder son yanking away at his mower trying to start it. He was 😤 pissed. I turned to my 11 year old son who now goes out and drops a battery and mows our yard and a neighbors yard and I said buddy, that right there is why I love these battery mowers. No fuss, just push the button and go. I bought into the full suite of tools and love them. Not a tree hugger and had many crappy electric yard trimmers and blowers and these are great. Wife and kids just get it done regardless of the chore. Price is still high but I also enjoy not lugging gas cans or worrying about bad gas and clogged carbs.
Thanks for the pros and cons. Just bought mine at Costco yesterday. Would prefer NO batteries since I already have their 80V tiller, but ok, now I have spares. And two chargers. I thought all these self-propelled walk behind mowers were rear wheel drive? I have a gas/carburetor type self-propelled rear wheel drv that I've never used because it's impossible to move without the motor running - at least I assume that's the problem. I've never started it and will return it to Costco. I'm not having that problem with this Greenworks version. Rolled right out of the box. Self-propelled is one of those things you think will be great until you use it. It's more efficient for me to pull my mowers backward, and then go forward again, rather than turn around all the time, so that will take getting used to. I bought this one because, besides my itty bitty lawn I have 5 bumpy acres of grass and weeds. Except for the bit covered in pine trees, I've mowed almost the whole dang thing with a push mower, and it's serious exercise. This 80V self-propelled came with a 5 year warranty AND I could get it through Costco. I already know Greenworks' service options are pitiful in my area, so if anything goes wrong, it's going back to Costco.
Costco backing you on any purchase is a great deal... I have a bunch of batteries and chargers now, but figure more is better, I'll never run out... haha. I now have the mower, trimmer, hedge trimmer, edger, snowblower, chainsaw, blower... i think that sums it up... got my son to be 11 year old son out mowing with it now and he is hooked... he mowed 3 lawns and made $85 in one evening after school... there are zero kids in my neighborhood doing this so if my kids want to they can make a killing... and I don't have to refill tanks or change oil... :-)
@@hardybrothersproductreviews wow. He can support you in your old age when you get there :) I thought about the G/W 2-stage snowblower in the Costco warehouse this year, but the winters have been pretty dry on the Colorado front range for the past few years. Just couldn't justify the cost, and I always need a little exercise in winter.
I appreciate the review, but my 23' Tesla Model Y Performance has no discernible latency. There is no delay when pressing or letting off the throttle. However, my wife's 23' Highlander has a drive by wire throttle setup and there is noticeable latency. Maybe the older Teslas had this issue though and hopefully they'll eliminate the latency in future Greenworks products.
I think I was just wrong. Not sure why I thought that was the case but sadly I cannot edit it once it’s posted. The latency hasn’t been a deal breaker just something to get used to… maybe a “hidden safety feature” lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I get what you are saying and it’s something that takes some getting used to… I think I could turn just as easy without dragging locked wheels and I liked to be able to pull back. We are still happy with the purchase it just takes some time to change old habits and learn new ones. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Heard that about a Tesla? Really? Delay, then it takes off? In a second mine will be passing 30mph and spilling your slurpy. Great review on the mower!
Hope you enjoy it, we have! I now own a bunch of Greenworks Tools after liking the mower so much... Check out our playlist of other greenworks products...
I was at Home Depot today n checking out mowers and the more I gave the mowers a moving workout the more I thought the EXACT same. some of these ELECTRIC mowers are so light similar to mowers from 25+ yrs ago when most "residential " mowers didn't have all that SELF Propelled attachments to it that it actually is not needed in most cases n even preferred. heck I used to cut lawns all the time without it and thought they very agile n easy to maneuver. then as the mowers got "better" and sturdier with heavier materials it was beneficial that a mower was self propelled (FWD imo) but these new electrics might just be better off as simple PUSH n not with all that drive equipment. hope u get good use and it lasts a long time
Good review. The one thing that annoys me is the headlight. I can't figure out how to turn it off, I'm not sure you can. Seems like a waste of battery-albeit small as it is an LED. Unless I am missing something. Also, one of my battery indicator lights on the mower control panel didn't work right out of the box...minor nuisance, no biggie.
Yeh no way to turn it off that I’ve found but as you say minor energy draw. I’d call and ask for a replacement battery. They will likely ship you a new one and not request the old one back.
Single point height adjuster seems nice at first. But over time, the linkages and pivots wear making it quite sloppy. The mower won't cut flat because the deck is bouncing around over uneven ground. Individual wheel adjustment is better by far for the long haul. Also, front wheel drive mowers are easier to maneuver as you indicated. However, they have trouble pulling themselves uphill if there's any amount of moisture on the grass. Toro has a great fix for this issue with their Personal Pace rear wheel drive system. It drives the speed you walk and disengages when you stop. It's very fluid in its stop/go/backup maneuvers. And there are no levers or handles to fumble with while doing so. It just works. Thanks for the good video.
Curious if the Toro Personal Pace is electric? I actually replaced that very gas mower with this one and was never happy with it... Not sure if I had a bad unit but it might as well have been a push mower it seemed... My wife was not happy with it, she would joke that yeh its personal pace, whatever pace I push it that is the pace it moves... Maybe we had a bad one because I had always had luck with Toro in the past. Thanks for the info on the single point adjuster, hoping we don't experience that issue, we don't change heights often. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! - Josh
@@hardybrothersproductreviews , I have a gas powered one that I've had for 15+ years. I just got the electric version of it. The Personal Pace feature has not changed in design. I used the gas one to mow mountain bike trial for many years. It has the power to climb very steep hills with no effort on my part. I have not had the electric one out of the yard yet, but it feels the same in the yard. When the drive belt needed replaced it did slow down. I think it was slipping. The belt was very inexpensive and took 5 minutes to replace with a common ratchet and socket.
@@victoryvisiontour thanks for the reply... I wonder if maybe the belt was slipping from the beginning on ours. I don't recall doing any assembly so maybe I bought it already assembled and possibly it was put together incorrectly. I just remember being disappointed with it... My brother has it now, I'll have to take it apart and check it out.
Thank you so much for the clear explanation. I purchased this mower from Costco. Most unfortunate, my husband passed away last year and he handled all the mechanical stuff on the property while I handled our business/office/home, so I asked one of his friends to assemble it for me. I went to use it for the first time today. I placed the charged batteries in, attached the grass chute, lowered the wheels, etc. I started it and was very pleased at the low volume of sound (as you mentioned, about 80 decibels); however, when I went over grass, it did not cut anything. I was totally bummed. Obviously I have done something wrong but have no idea what. Any thoughts?
Sorry not sure i know why it wouldn't be cutting. I assume you've confirmed that it in fact has a blade attached. Next I've noticed that you can hold in the self propel handle and start it and it immediately starts moving. Not sure if you then grab the other handle if it engages or not. Maybe make sure you have the green handle held first when you start and then engage the grey handle to walk with it... just a stab in the dark, no clue if this matters. Good luck!
@@hardybrothersproductreviews Thank you so much for your prompt response. I believe the problem lies in the fact that I did not know I needed a key! I saw a red key of sorts by the batteries but when I pulled it out, it actually appeared more like a plug of sorts so I dismissed it. Talk about feeling dumb! I'm hoping to try it again tomorrow and I'm sure it will work then! Thanks again, I love your reviews.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels like the buying process is confusing. Right now I’ve been trying to figure out if it’s OK to use 80v batteries with different amps. I see some 80 V batteries with 2.5 Ah some with 4 Ah and one had a 5Ah I believe. Do you know?
My son just got this mower and said the battery on first run didn't do very well. He had to do back and then a little of the front before recharging. He thought batteries worked independently (like his dad's Ryobi) but they seem to drain together. His Costco one had one battery charger but he didn't get the length of time you did. He barely has 1/2 acre.
He should return it. The batteries should drain one after the other. I’m still getting 90 mins after a year. Yeh the double charger was from Greenworks and they stopped offering it shortly after I bought.
Mine is 2 mos old from Costco. One of the batteries won’t charge. What is the return process? I don’t want to take the whole system back, just one battery. Love the mower tho.
I’d say that would be a smart idea as well. There is a red key you can pull that disconnects the batteries as well but agree removing the batteries makes the most sense.
I have the 80-volt Pro and hate how the wheels lock if you want to pull the mower backward. I have tried the stop and push forward method, which still locks up.
I try to let off the self propel handle about 2-3 seconds before I plan to pull back and that has worked. Definitely takes some time to get used to it.
You heard Tesla has a delay between hitting the 'gas'? It is the exact opposite, an automatic transmission gas car has a delay but a Tesla (and most EVs except for maybe vinfast) are instant power, no delay.
Quick rebuttal on the statement "...takes a second for it to go...", push the accelerator on a tesla and you are on warp speed. I don't know who told you this but I doubt they drive a tesla
I just bought the COSTCO version . 2 batteries with the green charger. Only 1 battery charges at a time. My question is. How do I know when the battery is completely charged? Will the cooling fan on the charger stop when the battery is fully charged? Or does the cooling fan keep running when the battery is fully charged ? The flashing green light will become solid but the cooling fan keeps running on mine. Is this normal ?
I think they max out at a 5amp hour battery but i've not had issues with run time with the dual batteries so for now, for me anyways, this is not a problem.
The company GreenWorks has the strongest volt battery for the supposed commercial use. Ego has 8 amp hour or possibly more even though it’s 56 volt battery. I would like to see more amp hour batteries especially if they come out with a 2 stage snowblower. I guess people now will be saying oh the batteries are too heavy.
I don't mind the lag in taking off. To complain about that, would be "Nit Picking" ! However, having to disengage to turn the mower is a big problem. Greenworks needs to address that. They must have known it was a problem when it was designed. And they did "nothing" ! Why ? Is it that the Engineers at Greenworks have never mowed a lawn ? It pisses me off that they failed to address and correct what I consider to be a major defect ! It's like they said, fuck it ! I don't have to use these mowers. As a matter of fact, I don't even mow my own lawn ! I have a Landscaping Company do mine ! It's infuriating to have a company leave a defect such as this one go unaddressed. Especially on a piece of equipment that costs as much as this one does ! "Shame on Greenworks" !
Agree it is an issue, but I've gotten use to it as I have the delayed takeoff. I let go of the drive handle about 1-2 seconds before turning and if I'm in a situation where I'm turning and pulling back in smaller spaces, such as between the sidewalk and road, I just leave the propulsion disengaged as the mower is super light.... overall I agree, it should be something they figure out and fix.
I have a Greenworks and that problem with the wheels not disengaging irritates me so much that had I know I wouldn’t have bought the mower. I do really prefer front wheel drive as then you don’t even have to stop the drive to turn.
Not only the website doesn't allow for products comparison but the signing in process of the website is impossible. I registered and I couldn't sign in after that. It just kept showing that I needed to sign in after signing in. I tried this in different web browsers with the same result. Really frustrating. .
Yes I agree, their user and customer experience leave a lot to be desired... If you have a Costco membership, or know someone that does, that may be the best route... Costco has terrific after sale support.
No to the length but there are two angle adjustment locations... Upright and higher and lower. I actually did not realize this until this year when my son struggling with the placement.
I disagree with you about the wheel adjustment. There have been a few times in which I had to adjust the height on one side of the mower. For me it is an inconvenience not to adjust them individually. One time, I adjusted the front wheels high so that I can bag the thick cover of leaves on the lawn.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I still think the adjustment is great and beats messing with four wheels individually. But do you like the mower overall?
Sorry for the late reply but this video here shows you how to start it #211 Greenworks Pro Cordless 80V Brushless 21 inch Self Propelled Lawn Mower Review th-cam.com/video/5pdjePdnF34/w-d-xo.html
1 1/2 seconds to engage/disengage is a huge exaggeration. There is a brief delay, to start, but it's a fraction of a second. The delay to disengage the wheels was slightly annoying at first, but I learned to disengage a half second before i was done with a pass and the issue is forgotten (I learned that trick from another commenter on TH-cam). I thought about how front wheel drive might have some advantages regarding this, but for me, FWD when going up short hills is a nonstarter. As for Teslas, they're instantly fast. Way more lag in my ICE vehicles.
Wasn’t intending to over exaggerate but it is a shift from the norm for sure and something I think should be resolved as they evolve their product. I too have started letting go sooner and it’s less of an issue but still noteworthy for new users. Yes I was wrong about Teslas but there is no editing of a video once it’s posted so I get to face that error about 5-10 times a month when corrected. Lol. It’s a great mower, no regrets.
@@hardybrothersproductreviews That's why I could never be a TH-camr...every little thing I said that came out wrong (which are many) preserved for eternity! 😀
I got this from Costco on sale and only paid about tree fiddy after i used my rewards check. I'm not sure if they're weeds or mini trees from seeds that fell off a tree in the backyard but would this mower cut them down just fine? Or should I trim those first before using this mower for the first time? Also, does it come preassembled in the box and you just unfold it or do you have to build it from the box? Mine is still in the box since it's been raining here.
I think there are about three pieces to put together. This video I did shows the I setup. th-cam.com/video/5pdjePdnF34/w-d-xo.htmlsi=QvL7Hujnzyqi6wZ4 Also if the little saplings are smaller than pencil thickness you will be fine. It’s a great mower!
I hate that you can't go in reverse without turning it off, other than that it's pretty good. Edit- after using it again you can pull it in reverse, just have to wait a second for the drivetrain to disengage
Glad it was helpful! If you happen to purchase online, please consider using one of my links... i'll get a small commission at no incremental cost to you. Thanks and hope you enjoy your new mower! I've bought about 8 tools and love them all.
I own and drive a Tesla and it does not take any second to respond to the throttle. You push on it and it is gone, actually after one and a half second you may not even see it anymore.
Hi ! Thank you for the great review. Which model no is it exactly ? I can't find it anywhere. Most of the time they are black, and or dont have the folding option.
Thank you! I got mine on Greenworks.com here is the model number: Greenworks 80V Mower With Two 4AH Batteries and Rapid Charger Model: 2533902 My rapid charger was a dual bay but it didn’t specify that. Most people are finding the same model but with a single bay charger at Costco or on Costco.com. Amazon seems to have this mower but with only a single battery on the mower itself. amzn.to/3MNAiuE I think Greenworks has a mess on their hands as it relates to how they are creating so much model confusion.
I’ve not noticed any significant benefit. I was mowing in turbo the other day to see if it was any better and then decided to go back to normal so I didn’t drain the battery too fast. It’s definitely more power but not sure it matters if you don’t need it. I also understand that it is supposed to auto engage turbo as needed so the button is just if you know you are in deep stuff the whole time.
I love the mower , but I’m having problems to make turns . I have to turn the self propelled off and turn back on for every turn . Can you help ? This can’t be good for the mower .
That’s pretty much how it works since it’s rear wheel drive. Most self propelled gas mowers are front wheel. Takes some getting used to for sure. I just let off about a foot before I need to turn.
So I'm not a lawn expert but I mow higher vs. lower... if you feel its too high you can always drop down. Also depends on time of year, heat, water conditions, etc... We tend go 5 or higher and mow weekly in the Spring/Summer here in Ohio
Lots of different pricing out in the market right now, mostly varies by number and amh rating on the batteries. Costco is a good bet if they are still doing the extended warranty on the battery.
I don't want self-propelled. Can you turn the mower, back up, etc without the drivetrain fighting you? Can you just push it with self-propelled off? Has anyone disabled the self-propelled? These mowers are light. I can't imagine why anyone needs self-propelled, and I don't want to fight the laggy drivetrain that you've described. Thoughts?
you can most certainly push it w/out self propelled if you wish, just don't hold the handle that activates it, no reason to try to disable it. You can turn it fine, just takes some time to get used to letting off the self propel a foot or so before turning.
I agree the site is confusing, but if you shop by 80v Tools, this link www.greenworkstools.com/collections/80-volt, those are all compatible to my understanding. I have about 8 tools now and they all work off the same batteries and work great. The variation in batteries comes down to the amp hours, so how long they last. I have the mower, snowblower, blower, hedge trimmer, edger, chainsaw, string trimmer and am happy with all of them.
Great review! I was never thinking of going electric but my neighbor bought an Eco from Lowes last week and it was so quiet and his lawn looks good. So it got me thinking especially as my LawnBoy is struggling after 17 years! I think I'm going to go with the Costco deal. I see Costco includes 2 batteries a 4 ah and 2ah. Does anyone know the exact run time of the 2 Costco batteries combined? My lawn usually takes 45-60 mins with a gas push mower depending on my energy levels. So decent sized subdivision home. Thanks!
Same happened to me when I saw my neighbor mowing but didn't hear him... lol. Strange that the Costco version now comes with a 4 and 2h battery, they used to both be 4ah and they had an extended warranty up to 8 years. The two 4ah batteries were supposed to last 90 mins, so I'd assume you are around 60-70 mins now... Probably my biggest gripe with Greenworks is their crappy marketing and poor product versioning/comparison... no rhyme or reason to why you can find 7 variations of the same product. crazy...
I get about 1 hour and 20 minutes on the 4 ah but that’s not using the self propel. I don’t use the self propel because I have so many trees and shrubs to mow around
We purchased one from Costco,have used once, so the jury is still out a little bit. Seemed fine however, but I don’t see anything in the so called owners manual about the two types of blades. They are similar but not the same. Is one for mulching and the other for side discharge or what? Can you help? I have looked on their website and still didn’t see anything about owns manual, operating instructions. Perhaps you know. It’s not as if I won’t use it either why but I am curious. Thanks for any help!
I think one is for improved mulching but not positive. May want to reach out to Greenworks service and see what they say. We've had ours for a year and my daughter mowed 4 lawns per week last year and my 11 year old just took up mowing this year and knocked out 3 lawns the other night... he made $85 and is hooked! haha
The second blade is for tall grass or wet grass. It's a high lift blade - mine says it right on the blade. For my use, I wish the high lift blade was the one they installed. I'll be swapping mine out.
not sure, but it mows for about 90 minutes... So I'd say, if you know how long you mow your current yard, easier to do it by time. obviously grass length and wet vs. dry play a role too.
Yeh I got that analogy wrong. Definitely a hesitation on the mower however, maybe for the same reason as there is no need for instant acceleration on a mower.
Everything is good here and another brand I'm looking at, except the rear wheel drive. I won't buy a rear wheel drive, front wheel drive is the only way for my property.
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Just got this mower. I love it. There is a delay like he said when trying to reverse which is kind of a pain in the butt. You just have to be patient with it. That wouldn't prevent me from purchasing it again. I'd buy it again and I'm very impressed with it overall.
Thanks for weighing in and I totally agree. 👍
Picked this one at Costco for $500 with two batteries plus a Costco 8 year warranty on the battery and mower. Coming from mowing with a 12 yr old craftsman that was held together with zip ties, band clamps and duct tape, this was like a spaceship. Worth it!
Yes it’s pretty darn nice! Congrats on your upgrade!
Hey That was a good buy All that plus warranty
Did you catch it on sale OR that was normal price then? It's $599 at my local Costco.
@@tewilk that was on sale. going on sale again in a week or so
@@aaronnelson1191 thanks, I just got my flier… might go buy it then get my cost difference refund as I’ll be out and about Friday with my trailer.
I recently bought this mower and...I love it! Its actually enjoyable to mow the lawn now. I like how its lighter and so much easier to control, including stowing in my limited-space garage. Its definetly worth the money and hopefully will be the last mower I ever need to buy.
Agree this thing is fantastic!
Going on 3 years with the 60v version of this mower. The 2 points that you mentioned here you will quickly get over and get use to the slight hesitation when first starting. When I engage the self propell I'm already beginning to push it so you don't notice it really. As for the locking up, if you release the self propell about a foot or so before turning that does not happen. I love the mower so much that I sold my Honda Hrx217. By the way, switch the mulch blade for the included high lift blade. You will get a much better cut. Also, being the blade is so thin I sharpen it every month with that Arnold wheel that attaches to a drill. I leave the blade on the mower while doing that as well.
Great tips thank you!
I just ran this for the first time today and yeah the things you said you hated about it was true. However you can just let go of the accellerator a few seconds before you turn, the momentum should allow you to get to where you need to be, and by then the wheels will unlock and you're free to turn. That was the adjustment that I did within 15 minutes of using it and there's no problem as far as that's concerned
Yep, it's an adjustment of old habits, not a show stopper for sure. I now have about 7 or 8 tools from Greenworks... I've drank the Greenworks Green Kool-Aid...
I used my Greenworks Pro 80V the first time a few days ago. It's awesome. While there is a slight pause when drive mode is engaged, it is so brief that it does not affect the performance at all for me. I prefer rear drive because of superior traction, especially going up a grade. I bought my mower from Costco online. It was delivered to my garage door, wonderfully packaged. Assembly is a snap. While the Costco package comes with a single-battery charger, it took under an hour to charge each battery from new. Not a problem at all. When you're finished mowing, it stows safely in your garage or shed by folding the handle and rotating the mower vertically. I'm just so very pleased with this mower.
I agree, it's pretty slick. I had zero intentions of "going green" any time soon but am very pleased with the product, the power, and overall simplicity. So far my best purchase of the year!
It takes less than 45 minutes to charge the 4Ah battery and about 25 minutes for the 2Ah one ! I did my whole lawn using only 20% of the 4Ah battery.
I have the Costco version of this. It also comes with a high lift blade if that helps anyone. So far I am very happy with it. It's definitely overkill for my lawn, but for $100 more than the base EGO push model along with Costco's perks, I decided to give it a shot. I've noticed the self propel issue as well on my first cut. What I did on my second cut was I just let go of the trigger about a foot or so from where I wanted to end and just push over that last bit. Didn't have any issues with it on that second cut. I think for most people you will be able to get used to it and figure out what works for you.
Costco version should be identical except for the single bay charger... Agree each mowing getting more used to letting off on the self propel to ease with turning or pulling backwards. I like it so far!
I picked up the Costco version as well, and got the 80v trimmer since it was a 150 and came with another charger and 4ah battery.
I have this mower as well and it is a really great. Moved from gas to electric. But there are things I have not gotten used to yet. 1.) The speed control is easy to bump and change when you turn. I would prefer a less continuous control with settings that click in place or a lower profile knob design, 2.) it takes a while for the self-propelled clutch to disengage so moving forward and then pulling back is not fluid and 3.) while the mower is supposed to change over batteries automatically, the mower sometimes stops and it takes a while (15-30sec) for the system to switch batteries. These are minor inconveniences for a really great mower. Quiet, powerful, and takes up hardly any space in the garage. No oil or gas to worry about.
Agree on all points. I’ve however not had the issues with the battery switch over. I have had it turn off when my bay is near full. Not sure if there is a sensor or if this is a coincidence.
I just bought a green works mower!!! All I’ve heard is good news about it… so hopefully it lives up to the hype…
Love mine! I have two now. One for my primary home and one for my cabin.
I do a lot of night mowing because of my mom with dementia. Those front lights are awesome. 💡
They do work well... My son will tell me it's too late to mow and I remind him that its quiet and it has lights... lol
I own this mower. The mower works well. Three issues that are less than good, first, the control for self propell seems to constantly shift; second, the mower stops occasionally and you must take out and put the safety key back in; and third , you can pinch your figures by the hand controls if you don't watch out.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I don't have the self shifting issue with self-propel but I wish it was truly more variable than it seems. The intermediate stopping happened a few times to me and it seemed to me like the batteries were losing contact or something, mine would restart w/out pulling the safety key, i'd just wiggle the batteries and it would start up. Haven't experienced the pinching either but see how that might happen. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Mr. Hardy... Your reviews are outstanding... You're a natural speaker and you're honest. Thanks, buddy!
I appreciate that and am glad you have found them helpful. Thanks for taking the time to leave this compliment, I truly appreciate it!
The key to disengaging the rear wheels is to manually push the mower forward a few inches after turning off the self propel drive. If you try to turn or back up immediately after turning off self propel without pushing the mower forward, the rear wheels will remain locked. Not sure if other mowers are like that, but it's just one of those things you get used to.
totally agree... not a deal breaker, just an adjustment in what you've always known if you had a self propelled mower...
Our 2023 Tesla Model 3 has instant response anong with my sons and his wife's 2024 model Y! Great info on the mower, thanks!!
Glad it helped and yep I apparently know zero about Teslas. Lol. 😂 unfortunately can’t update a video once posted.
Teslas actually have much less acceleration delay than gas cars. Not sure where you heard that.
I was wrong… I had it backwards.
Yeah, it's incredible how instant a Tesla is. It's actually an adjustment from gas cars which have a lot of delay.
I bought the 25" dual blade version of this self propelled mower. Its a very powerful mower. I do not notice a lag when engaging the self propelled feature. I do however notice the rear wheels staying locked for a couple seconds after disengaging the self propelled handle. It can be annoying but I've learned to just push it forward a bit after releasing the self propelled handle and they disengage. I have a thick lawn and it requires the *turbo* mode for much of it. If I don't engage turbo mode it results in uneven cutting. So turbo mode is great but sucks up quite a bit of battery. One negative is the weight distribution. It holds 2 batteries and will automatically switch to the 2nd battery when the 1st one dies. Great feature for sure. However the weight of the batteries plus the rear wheel drive can cause the mower to do a sort of wheelie when first engaging self propelled. So if you get the 25" version you will need to adjust to the mower's mannerisms and idiosyncrasies. Its a very solid mower and if you bag the grass clippings, it's fantastic. Best bagger ever. Just be aware there's a learning curve.
I would agree on all points with the version I have. I wondered about the 25” mower. Thanks for watching and commenting. .
Same here regarding the self-propelled feature - I push it forward for just a foot or two after disengaging the the real wheels in turn unlock and you can back up to do a tight turn as needed.
I absolutely love rear wheel drive mowers. If you are mowing up hill or just driving the mower up a hill you definitely want rear drive. That way when the front wheels lose grip as the front wheels down force is decreased going up a steep hill you don't loose grip at the rear drive wheels. It also makes it easier to do a fast tight u-turn by rocking back on the back wheels and turning while it's in drive.
We’ve learned to appreciate the rear wheel as well although because this mower is lightweight my kids end up letting the front come up too much and mow a bit uneven but works well for me.
I just used the same mower for the first time and I mostly loved it. When I disengage the drive and pull back, the wheels are locked. I guess it takes a while to release, but I'll get used to it. I bought it on the Greenworks site and it came with the single charger, a 4 amp and a 2 amp battery. No problem for me, since it only takes 20 minutes to mow my lawn. I'm looking forward to buying the string trimmer too.
Agree on the delayed disengage of the rear tires. Feel like there could have been a better solution but we’ve gotten used to it. I have the string trimmer and blower combination both work great. Here is my review of the blower. Still need to review the string trimmer. th-cam.com/video/KPVBUpT7dlU/w-d-xo.html
Disengage the drive, keep pushing the mower forward manually for a foot or two then you can pull it back or do a tight turn. When you keep pushing forward for just a bit it after you disengage the self propelled feature that unlocks the wheels. You get better at with a little practice.
Just ran across your video based on my obsessive researching on most things I like or buy. I've had multiple GW 80v products for a few years now; backpack blower, string trimmer, hedge trimmer, 18" chainsaw. My toro push mower, I got 11 or 12 cutting seasons out of it, just had it's first major mechanic issue last week. So, since I'm well invested into the GW 80v world, I took the leap of faith and ordered the 21" gen 2 mower. Man, you couldn't be more correct on the hap-hazard layout of their website. I'm a super techy, geeky, kinda guy and I got confused on what model I was buying, they have 2 different Gen 2 models(push vs self propelled at the same price but with different battery combos) and I ended up with the gen 2 21" push mower instead of the gen 2 21" self propelled, none self pace, model. Thankfully they have a reasonable return policy and it only cost me about $45 to ship the first one I ordered back, but it definitely tripped me up. Totally my fault, but I definitely think they've got a lot of room for improvement on the UI/UX of their website.
I purchased their 60v self propelled mower last year for my parents to use around their garden. I fell in love with how easy it was to adjust and the folding feature, to help keep the deck clean, was one of those, it's some simple and so helpful, I couldn't wait to get one for myself. I almost pulled the trigger on their newer 80v 25" deck model, but thankfully saw another reviewer who mentioned that it doesn't offer side discharge. So, that was a bit of a deal breaker for me.
Thanks for sharing, I too am invested in the platform and have had good luck so far... Now if they would just send me free stuff... lol
Great video. I just bought the Costco one. I don't think the charger will be an issue for me, though if I go all in on Greenworks products maybe I'll buy the fuel charger. With regards to Teslas, you heard wrong. They have immediate and powerful torque. They're the best cars money can buy. Thanks for the video!
Yes I think I got my electric car reference backwards. Lol. Thanks for watching and commenting! I love my mower!
I’ve had this mower 2 years now and so far I love it. No gas. No oil. No fumes.
And it starts every time! I agree it’s a great mower! I have two now. One for each kid. 😂
This was great information! Purchased this mower from Costco as well this past weekend and putting it to work this week. Thanks!
Great to hear! It's a great mower and I've since bought the trimmer, edger, hedge trimmer, blower, chainsaw and snow blower... I've got about 5 batteries so never have to worry about it not getting the job done regardless of the tool I'm using. I have videos of all of those tools in this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PL1A8tIKFgP4Bp1XcwXP60qp59axAtpU-z.html
I got the mower from Costco with the $100.00 discount and 8 year warranty on batteries which is great since batteries are expensive to replace once they die. I do wish that the battery compartment door would stay open on its own. It a pain to keep it propped up with one hand and then try to remove the batteries with the other hand, especially since the batteries are not light!
Yeh the Costco deal was a good one. Unfortunately I bought about a month before they announced having them. I have to agree on the battery door. That’s an excellent point and I agree the batteries most certainly are not lightweight. Thanks for watching and commenting! Good luck with your mower!
I’ve had a pro 60 for a couple years and I really like it!
Haven’t used any of the 60V but have most all of the 80V tools now.
Got mine at Best Buy and it's the same one as the Costco version. I've noticed the wheels tend to lock up when I disengage the transmission to pull it backwards or make a turn. I found out through trial and error that giving it a slight nudge forward before I pull it backwards or turn it will unlock the rear wheels so they roll instead of skidding across the lawn.
Yep good tip. Just takes a little bit of change of habits and then it works pretty well.
Long time green works pro user. Have the mower trimmer and blower. All 60v. I’ve landscaped using all gas products on the side for years prior to owning these. I can say every electric variant has a break in time… for you almost they al have their quirks but after owning them for several years I mow much more efficiently and none of the issues have remained issues. I’ve either thoughtlessly worked over them or have managed doing simple things like applying the gas sooner as well as when turning using the mowers locking of the wheels to my advantage. Love the video quick and informative.
Appreciate the feedback and confirmation on the great products! We are enjoying it! Wasn't thinking of going to electric quite yet but my 14 year old daughter is mowing lawns to raise money for a trip to France... I figured less mess with fuel and maintenance the better. She is enjoying it and has already raised over $400 and has all summer to go. Thanks again for the support!
I have a Chevy Bolt and there is no delay between accelerating and the car taking off, it's instantaneous. I have never heard of that electric car delay issue. Looks like a nice mower, just worried about the batteries only lasting a few years and then having to buy new ones.
Yeh, I think I may have been backwards on my electric car scenario... have been corrected by a few folks... Maybe unlike gas engines that dump fuel into the carb and then take off the electric cars are instantaneous... definitely not the case for this mower there is a delay. So the batteries are 4 year warranty from Greenworks and if you buy from Costco they double the warranty to 8 years. I have Milwaukee and Dewalt tools that have lasted years with no problems on the batteries... i think the tech is getting much better but I'm definitely not a lithium ion battery expert. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@hardybrothersproductreviews Thanks for the reply and your review!
@@hardybrothersproductreviews yep I have driven evs and they are instant with zero delay. I believe you about this mower because the makita has a 3 second delay in its self propel altho no delay letting off.
I have a Greenworks like this one but also have a Kobalt that uses (almost) the exact same batteries. I've been mowing with it since 2017 and haven't noticed any battery degradation.
Hey guys, good review. I am a green works owner too. I have the 82v commercial stuff and it's very very good.
Hey Bob, I wanted to step over and check out that commercial stuff while down in Moultrie but didn't get a chance. I've got quite a bit of the 80V home products for use in the burbs but would love to get my hands on one of the zero turns and stuff like that... Know anyone with connections... lol - Josh
@@hardybrothersproductreviews Hmmm, I might know a guy. Lol
I wondered about that with the rear self propelled. Thanks for the info.
No problem 👍 Not a deal breaker for me, we have gotten used to it but it is different for sure.
I purchased this at Costco in May of this year. It cuts really well unless I use the self propel mode. It cuts nice and level when using it in push mode. When I switch to self propel mode it cuts noticeably uneven on each pass, left side cuts higher than the right side. This has been a bit frustrating because when you pay for a self propelled mower you expect a nice even cut. Has anyone else experienced this and if so have you been able to fix it. I’m debating returning it and re buying it as I’ve not been made aware of others experiencing this problem. Otherwise it has been really easy and fun to use.
I’ve not had this experience. There were two blades in the Costco version, have you tried switching blades? Odd that it’s happening but I’d leverage the Costco return policy and try a new one. Too expensive to not be working as expected.
Great review I just recently got the Harbor Freight Atlas version that looks almost exactly the same for only $215 before tax with a 20% off coupon and I already had 4 batteries but I bought the fast charger but it only charges 1 battery at a time and it still isn't that fast but it's definitely faster than the older super slow charger that I had from before but I already had several of the Atlas tools like the 80v chainsaw, 80v weed eater and 80v pole saw and they used to have a push version of the same mower from Atlas that the wheels wouldn't spin and it was like $60 cheaper that I wanted to get because I just want to push it to save battery life and that 1 was cheaper but for some reason they discontinued it so right now they only have the 1 self-propelled 80v Atlas version that you can still push but it has that extra bar that you can squeeze so that the wheels will make it go but I don't hardly use it because I don't want to kill the battery quicker but they look real similar but I like that your batteries are pretty big and you have a fast double charger that's awesome for sure but then that makes it cost a lot more but great review!
Have no experience with the Harbor Freight version but sounds its worth a look. I think the key with any of these is pick a platform and stick with it so you have plenty of batteries. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Used mine for the very first time. Got my front and side lawn before battery gave out.. charged it up about 30 min. Got the back done. Didnt use the bag. I only got one battery.. and purchased on Amazon
What size battery? 4amh or 5amh? It seems they have switched to a single battery model since I bought mine. Costco was still selling the double battery version.
Good Review..👍🏼
Still not sold on Battery 🔋 powered mowers or tractors.. My Husqvarna 21” mower with gas Honda GS160 come in @ 83 decibels..
Higher pitch of Battery 🔋 mower has higher pitch in my opinion is more damaging to 🦻🏻
Wear hearing protection
Thanks! Yep, I get it. As I was pulling out of my driveway yesterday and I was watching my neighbors college aged body builder son yanking away at his mower trying to start it. He was 😤 pissed. I turned to my 11 year old son who now goes out and drops a battery and mows our yard and a neighbors yard and I said buddy, that right there is why I love these battery mowers. No fuss, just push the button and go. I bought into the full suite of tools and love them. Not a tree hugger and had many crappy electric yard trimmers and blowers and these are great. Wife and kids just get it done regardless of the chore. Price is still high but I also enjoy not lugging gas cans or worrying about bad gas and clogged carbs.
excellent review very detailed and hits all the major points. thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the pros and cons. Just bought mine at Costco yesterday. Would prefer NO batteries since I already have their 80V tiller, but ok, now I have spares. And two chargers. I thought all these self-propelled walk behind mowers were rear wheel drive? I have a gas/carburetor type self-propelled rear wheel drv that I've never used because it's impossible to move without the motor running - at least I assume that's the problem. I've never started it and will return it to Costco. I'm not having that problem with this Greenworks version. Rolled right out of the box.
Self-propelled is one of those things you think will be great until you use it. It's more efficient for me to pull my mowers backward, and then go forward again, rather than turn around all the time, so that will take getting used to. I bought this one because, besides my itty bitty lawn I have 5 bumpy acres of grass and weeds. Except for the bit covered in pine trees, I've mowed almost the whole dang thing with a push mower, and it's serious exercise. This 80V self-propelled came with a 5 year warranty AND I could get it through Costco. I already know Greenworks' service options are pitiful in my area, so if anything goes wrong, it's going back to Costco.
Costco backing you on any purchase is a great deal... I have a bunch of batteries and chargers now, but figure more is better, I'll never run out... haha. I now have the mower, trimmer, hedge trimmer, edger, snowblower, chainsaw, blower... i think that sums it up... got my son to be 11 year old son out mowing with it now and he is hooked... he mowed 3 lawns and made $85 in one evening after school... there are zero kids in my neighborhood doing this so if my kids want to they can make a killing... and I don't have to refill tanks or change oil... :-)
@@hardybrothersproductreviews wow. He can support you in your old age when you get there :)
I thought about the G/W 2-stage snowblower in the Costco warehouse this year, but the winters have been pretty dry on the Colorado front range for the past few years. Just couldn't justify the cost, and I always need a little exercise in winter.
I agree... Super Confusing!! I bought it at Amazon... I went to Greenworks and give up... Went to TH-cam to learn "something".
Big company like that… they can do better…
I appreciate the review, but my 23' Tesla Model Y Performance has no discernible latency. There is no delay when pressing or letting off the throttle. However, my wife's 23' Highlander has a drive by wire throttle setup and there is noticeable latency. Maybe the older Teslas had this issue though and hopefully they'll eliminate the latency in future Greenworks products.
I think I was just wrong. Not sure why I thought that was the case but sadly I cannot edit it once it’s posted. The latency hasn’t been a deal breaker just something to get used to… maybe a “hidden safety feature” lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@hardybrothersproductreviews It wasn't enough to dissuade me from buying one, though I do appreciate you mentioning it!
The locking that happens even after releasing the propulsion throttle comes in handy for making turns in a dime, that’s what I use it for
I get what you are saying and it’s something that takes some getting used to… I think I could turn just as easy without dragging locked wheels and I liked to be able to pull back. We are still happy with the purchase it just takes some time to change old habits and learn new ones. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Heard that about a Tesla? Really? Delay, then it takes off? In a second mine will be passing 30mph and spilling your slurpy. Great review on the mower!
Yes apparently I was misinformed. Too bad YT doesn’t let you edit your mistakes. Lol Glad the rest was useful :-) the mower is great!
Great review! I have heard great things about that mower by several people...
My daughter is mowing next door and I can’t even hear it. ~15 decibels quieter than gas mowers. Pretty nice.
Great review! I'm grabbing one from Costco on a BFD deal today.
Hope you enjoy it, we have! I now own a bunch of Greenworks Tools after liking the mower so much... Check out our playlist of other greenworks products...
These things are so lightweight that the self propelled version is not necessary imo We have the 80vMax Kobalt push version. Love it
they are lightweight but we live on a hill and my daughter likes the self propulsion on this one... last mower was heavier and no self propel... lol
I was at Home Depot today n checking out mowers and the more I gave the mowers a moving workout the more I thought the EXACT same. some of these ELECTRIC mowers are so light similar to mowers from 25+ yrs ago when most "residential " mowers didn't have all that SELF Propelled attachments to it that it actually is not needed in most cases n even preferred. heck I used to cut lawns all the time without it and thought they very agile n easy to maneuver. then as the mowers got "better" and sturdier with heavier materials it was beneficial that a mower was self propelled (FWD imo) but these new electrics might just be better off as simple PUSH n not with all that drive equipment. hope u get good use and it lasts a long time
Great video and detailed explanation and critics. I got the Costco one.Thank you!
Thanks for watching and commenting! I’ve enjoyed it so far. Good luck with your new mower!
It seems very similiar to the snapper we have- but we did not get an eight year warranty- ours is quieter
I didn’t get mine from Costco so didn’t get the 8 year either but it has a 4 year standard warranty. I haven’t seen the snapper mower.
Good review. The one thing that annoys me is the headlight. I can't figure out how to turn it off, I'm not sure you can. Seems like a waste of battery-albeit small as it is an LED. Unless I am missing something. Also, one of my battery indicator lights on the mower control panel didn't work right out of the box...minor nuisance, no biggie.
Yeh no way to turn it off that I’ve found but as you say minor energy draw. I’d call and ask for a replacement battery. They will likely ship you a new one and not request the old one back.
Single point height adjuster seems nice at first. But over time, the linkages and pivots wear making it quite sloppy. The mower won't cut flat because the deck is bouncing around over uneven ground. Individual wheel adjustment is better by far for the long haul. Also, front wheel drive mowers are easier to maneuver as you indicated. However, they have trouble pulling themselves uphill if there's any amount of moisture on the grass. Toro has a great fix for this issue with their Personal Pace rear wheel drive system. It drives the speed you walk and disengages when you stop. It's very fluid in its stop/go/backup maneuvers. And there are no levers or handles to fumble with while doing so. It just works. Thanks for the good video.
Curious if the Toro Personal Pace is electric? I actually replaced that very gas mower with this one and was never happy with it... Not sure if I had a bad unit but it might as well have been a push mower it seemed... My wife was not happy with it, she would joke that yeh its personal pace, whatever pace I push it that is the pace it moves... Maybe we had a bad one because I had always had luck with Toro in the past. Thanks for the info on the single point adjuster, hoping we don't experience that issue, we don't change heights often. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! - Josh
@@hardybrothersproductreviews , I have a gas powered one that I've had for 15+ years. I just got the electric version of it. The Personal Pace feature has not changed in design. I used the gas one to mow mountain bike trial for many years. It has the power to climb very steep hills with no effort on my part. I have not had the electric one out of the yard yet, but it feels the same in the yard. When the drive belt needed replaced it did slow down. I think it was slipping. The belt was very inexpensive and took 5 minutes to replace with a common ratchet and socket.
@@victoryvisiontour thanks for the reply... I wonder if maybe the belt was slipping from the beginning on ours. I don't recall doing any assembly so maybe I bought it already assembled and possibly it was put together incorrectly. I just remember being disappointed with it... My brother has it now, I'll have to take it apart and check it out.
I bet you were thinking about 'turbo' on cars (when you mentioned a delay).
Yes definitely wrong about the electric cars having a delay.
Thank you so much for the clear explanation. I purchased this mower from Costco. Most unfortunate, my husband passed away last year and he handled all the mechanical stuff on the property while I handled our business/office/home, so I asked one of his friends to assemble it for me. I went to use it for the first time today. I placed the charged batteries in, attached the grass chute, lowered the wheels, etc. I started it and was very pleased at the low volume of sound (as you mentioned, about 80 decibels); however, when I went over grass, it did not cut anything. I was totally bummed. Obviously I have done something wrong but have no idea what. Any thoughts?
Sorry not sure i know why it wouldn't be cutting. I assume you've confirmed that it in fact has a blade attached. Next I've noticed that you can hold in the self propel handle and start it and it immediately starts moving. Not sure if you then grab the other handle if it engages or not. Maybe make sure you have the green handle held first when you start and then engage the grey handle to walk with it... just a stab in the dark, no clue if this matters. Good luck!
@@hardybrothersproductreviews Thank you so much for your prompt response. I believe the problem lies in the fact that I did not know I needed a key! I saw a red key of sorts by the batteries but when I pulled it out, it actually appeared more like a plug of sorts so I dismissed it. Talk about feeling dumb! I'm hoping to try it again tomorrow and I'm sure it will work then! Thanks again, I love your reviews.
Most excellent review , thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful! We continue to enjoy the mower and the whole family uses it.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels like the buying process is confusing. Right now I’ve been trying to figure out if it’s OK to use 80v batteries with different amps. I see some 80 V batteries with 2.5 Ah some with 4 Ah and one had a 5Ah I believe. Do you know?
Yes you can use all 80v batteries interchangeably across their line of tools. I have 7 tools now and about 6 batteries.
Good points! Thanks
Thanks for watching and commenting! Glad it was helpful!
My son just got this mower and said the battery on first run didn't do very well. He had to do back and then a little of the front before recharging. He thought batteries worked independently (like his dad's Ryobi) but they seem to drain together. His Costco one had one battery charger but he didn't get the length of time you did. He barely has 1/2 acre.
He should return it. The batteries should drain one after the other. I’m still getting 90 mins after a year. Yeh the double charger was from Greenworks and they stopped offering it shortly after I bought.
Mine is 2 mos old from Costco. One of the batteries won’t charge. What is the return process? I don’t want to take the whole system back, just one battery. Love the mower tho.
I would think you should remove the batteries if you're going to start fumbling with the blade, should you not?
I’d say that would be a smart idea as well. There is a red key you can pull that disconnects the batteries as well but agree removing the batteries makes the most sense.
Thank you for your hard work!
Thank you for watching and commenting! I’m glad it was helpful!
I have the 80-volt Pro and hate how the wheels lock if you want to pull the mower backward. I have tried the stop and push forward method, which still locks up.
I try to let off the self propel handle about 2-3 seconds before I plan to pull back and that has worked. Definitely takes some time to get used to it.
Wondering if when you put it in storage mode (lover the handle and put it up on its rear wheels. Can you then wheel it somewhere like a dolly?
yes you can
You heard Tesla has a delay between hitting the 'gas'? It is the exact opposite, an automatic transmission gas car has a delay but a Tesla (and most EVs except for maybe vinfast) are instant power, no delay.
Yep I was wrong but can’t update the video after posting.
Quick rebuttal on the statement "...takes a second for it to go...", push the accelerator on a tesla and you are on warp speed. I don't know who told you this but I doubt they drive a tesla
Yep I’ve been told that a few times now that this video has reached over 50k views
90 minutes battery life span? Well I'm glad I've watched this review, no way I'm buying new batteries every 90 minutes.
No no no. 90 minute run time. 😂 not sure if I said that or not but you are the first in 40k to point it out. Hats off to you!
I just bought the COSTCO version .
2 batteries with the green charger. Only 1 battery charges at a time. My question is. How do I know when the battery is completely charged? Will the cooling fan on the charger stop when the battery is fully charged? Or does the cooling fan keep running when the battery is fully charged ?
The flashing green light will become solid but the cooling fan keeps running on mine. Is this normal ?
Sorry for the delayed reply; I assume you figured it out by now. The fan will stop and green light will be on.
Great review!
Do you have to use the self propel feature, or can you just push it along?
We use both. It’s light enough to push for sure. And the self propel is fast. Has an adjustment but not a lot of fine tuning.
Hey They need to step up with the amp hours on the 80 & 82 volt batteries.
I think they max out at a 5amp hour battery but i've not had issues with run time with the dual batteries so for now, for me anyways, this is not a problem.
It already 320 W-Hr … that’s like a 16 Ah 20V. Any more and it’s getting pretty heavy.
The company GreenWorks has the strongest volt battery for the supposed commercial use. Ego has 8 amp hour or possibly more even though it’s 56 volt battery. I would like to see more amp hour batteries especially if they come out with a 2 stage snowblower. I guess people now will be saying oh the batteries are too heavy.
@@josephpuchel6497 the 5ah gets you the same as the ego you mentioned. If they are a zero turn then yeah, but seriously just buy another 5ah.
Thank you for sharing! 🤝
My handle bolts and screw holes are Robertson shaped and I can't find replacements anywhere
Sorry to hear that, I'd try to call Greenworks support and see if they can ship you some.
Great review !!! spot on 👍
Thanks
Thanks, glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the video. How do you clean the underside of the deck? The manual says don't use water.
Huh; had not read that. ISO far I’ve been able to pick off the grass after it had dried.
I don't mind the lag in taking off. To complain about that, would be "Nit Picking" ! However, having to disengage to turn the mower is a big problem. Greenworks needs to address that. They must have known it was a problem when it was designed. And they did "nothing" ! Why ? Is it that the Engineers at Greenworks have never mowed a lawn ? It pisses me off that they failed to address and correct what I consider to be a major defect ! It's like they said, fuck it ! I don't have to use these mowers. As a matter of fact, I don't even mow my own lawn ! I have a Landscaping Company do mine ! It's infuriating to have a company leave a defect such as this one go unaddressed. Especially on a piece of equipment that costs as much as this one does ! "Shame on Greenworks" !
Agree it is an issue, but I've gotten use to it as I have the delayed takeoff. I let go of the drive handle about 1-2 seconds before turning and if I'm in a situation where I'm turning and pulling back in smaller spaces, such as between the sidewalk and road, I just leave the propulsion disengaged as the mower is super light.... overall I agree, it should be something they figure out and fix.
I have a Greenworks and that problem with the wheels not disengaging irritates me so much that had I know I wouldn’t have bought the mower. I do really prefer front wheel drive as then you don’t even have to stop the drive to turn.
Not only the website doesn't allow for products comparison but the signing in process of the website is impossible. I registered and I couldn't sign in after that. It just kept showing that I needed to sign in after signing in. I tried this in different web browsers with the same result. Really frustrating. .
Yes I agree, their user and customer experience leave a lot to be desired... If you have a Costco membership, or know someone that does, that may be the best route... Costco has terrific after sale support.
Can you adjust the angle and length of the handlebars on this mower?
No to the length but there are two angle adjustment locations... Upright and higher and lower. I actually did not realize this until this year when my son struggling with the placement.
I did t know this either. My wife is short and hates my new mower because she says it’s too tall.
great…..thank you…
Thank you too!
I disagree with you about the wheel adjustment. There have been a few times in which I had to adjust the height on one side of the mower. For me it is an inconvenience not to adjust them individually. One time, I adjusted the front wheels high so that I can bag the thick cover of leaves on the lawn.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I still think the adjustment is great and beats messing with four wheels individually. But do you like the mower overall?
How to start my 80 V Green works lawn Moore
Sorry for the late reply but this video here shows you how to start it #211 Greenworks Pro Cordless 80V Brushless 21 inch Self Propelled Lawn Mower Review
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1 1/2 seconds to engage/disengage is a huge exaggeration. There is a brief delay, to start, but it's a fraction of a second. The delay to disengage the wheels was slightly annoying at first, but I learned to disengage a half second before i was done with a pass and the issue is forgotten (I learned that trick from another commenter on TH-cam). I thought about how front wheel drive might have some advantages regarding this, but for me, FWD when going up short hills is a nonstarter. As for Teslas, they're instantly fast. Way more lag in my ICE vehicles.
Wasn’t intending to over exaggerate but it is a shift from the norm for sure and something I think should be resolved as they evolve their product. I too have started letting go sooner and it’s less of an issue but still noteworthy for new users. Yes I was wrong about Teslas but there is no editing of a video once it’s posted so I get to face that error about 5-10 times a month when corrected. Lol. It’s a great mower, no regrets.
@@hardybrothersproductreviews That's why I could never be a TH-camr...every little thing I said that came out wrong (which are many) preserved for eternity! 😀
Can you turn off the selfpropelling feature or is it always on?
Yes you can operate it without pulling the self propel lever
I got this from Costco on sale and only paid about tree fiddy after i used my rewards check. I'm not sure if they're weeds or mini trees from seeds that fell off a tree in the backyard but would this mower cut them down just fine? Or should I trim those first before using this mower for the first time? Also, does it come preassembled in the box and you just unfold it or do you have to build it from the box? Mine is still in the box since it's been raining here.
I think there are about three pieces to put together. This video I did shows the I setup. th-cam.com/video/5pdjePdnF34/w-d-xo.htmlsi=QvL7Hujnzyqi6wZ4
Also if the little saplings are smaller than pencil thickness you will be fine. It’s a great mower!
Is there a neutral drive setting to control better when working close to fixtures?
You can just let up on the self propel handle and operate it as a push mower, so yes.
Thank you! I just bought one. @@hardybrothersproductreviews
I hate that you can't go in reverse without turning it off, other than that it's pretty good.
Edit- after using it again you can pull it in reverse, just have to wait a second for the drivetrain to disengage
Yes. I noticed this too very odd. I had a gas powered rear driver mower that didn’t have that delay.
Yep, that makes it a little challenging but with some practice it's not been too bad.
Good information Thank You!
Glad it was helpful! If you happen to purchase online, please consider using one of my links... i'll get a small commission at no incremental cost to you. Thanks and hope you enjoy your new mower! I've bought about 8 tools and love them all.
@@hardybrothersproductreviews Certainly. Question how many batteries does it take please?
I own and drive a Tesla and it does not take any second to respond to the throttle. You push on it and it is gone, actually after one and a half second you may not even see it anymore.
lol yes I’m an idiot. Lol 😂 too bad you can’t edit TH-cam videos after you post them.
The advantage of buying at Costco is the double the battery warranty - to 8 years - that's huge!
I agree and they are awesome at returns if the need should arise.
Hi ! Thank you for the great review.
Which model no is it exactly ? I can't find it anywhere. Most of the time they are black, and or dont have the folding option.
Thank you! I got mine on Greenworks.com here is the model number: Greenworks 80V Mower With Two 4AH Batteries and Rapid Charger
Model: 2533902
My rapid charger was a dual bay but it didn’t specify that. Most people are finding the same model but with a single bay charger at Costco or on Costco.com. Amazon seems to have this mower but with only a single battery on the mower itself. amzn.to/3MNAiuE
I think Greenworks has a mess on their hands as it relates to how they are creating so much model confusion.
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Thank you, I will have a look !
I have it and really like it.
Does turbo do anything beneficial if you’re not going through tough stuff? Cleaner cuts?
I’ve not noticed any significant benefit. I was mowing in turbo the other day to see if it was any better and then decided to go back to normal so I didn’t drain the battery too fast. It’s definitely more power but not sure it matters if you don’t need it. I also understand that it is supposed to auto engage turbo as needed so the button is just if you know you are in deep stuff the whole time.
I love the mower , but I’m having problems to make turns . I have to turn the self propelled off and turn back on for every turn . Can you help ? This can’t be good for the mower .
That’s pretty much how it works since it’s rear wheel drive. Most self propelled gas mowers are front wheel. Takes some getting used to for sure. I just let off about a foot before I need to turn.
Wait until the motor fries. They want you to pony up for the whole unit above the deck.
Did that happen to you? If so after how long?
What is the best length should I cut the grass, lower (2) level, or mid (5)?
So I'm not a lawn expert but I mow higher vs. lower... if you feel its too high you can always drop down. Also depends on time of year, heat, water conditions, etc... We tend go 5 or higher and mow weekly in the Spring/Summer here in Ohio
@Hardy Brothers Product Reviews well I do higher so the grass could have that greener look. Thanks for responding
@@sullivanvega5345 I agree with that strategy... too short and it will burn up...
@Hardy Brothers Outdoors that's what I was told. Great video & how detail it was.
If you buy from Costco US, you also get 8 years of warranty on the batteries if you register online
Yep that is absolutely correct. Only 4 years from Greenworks.com.
Looking for a sale at Costco. 599.99 right now in February.
Lots of different pricing out in the market right now, mostly varies by number and amh rating on the batteries. Costco is a good bet if they are still doing the extended warranty on the battery.
How is the torque can it handle small tree branches and stones?
Yes no problems with small sticks and stones.
I don't want self-propelled. Can you turn the mower, back up, etc without the drivetrain fighting you? Can you just push it with self-propelled off?
Has anyone disabled the self-propelled? These mowers are light. I can't imagine why anyone needs self-propelled, and I don't want to fight the laggy drivetrain that you've described.
Thoughts?
you can most certainly push it w/out self propelled if you wish, just don't hold the handle that activates it, no reason to try to disable it. You can turn it fine, just takes some time to get used to letting off the self propel a foot or so before turning.
I went with EGO 👍🏻✌🏻
Have heard good things but don’t have any personal experience.
The website and products ARE confusing. If a battery is 80v, it should work with all 80v products, but that's not the case from what I understand.
I agree the site is confusing, but if you shop by 80v Tools, this link www.greenworkstools.com/collections/80-volt, those are all compatible to my understanding. I have about 8 tools now and they all work off the same batteries and work great. The variation in batteries comes down to the amp hours, so how long they last. I have the mower, snowblower, blower, hedge trimmer, edger, chainsaw, string trimmer and am happy with all of them.
Great review! I was never thinking of going electric but my neighbor bought an Eco from Lowes last week and it was so quiet and his lawn looks good. So it got me thinking especially as my LawnBoy is struggling after 17 years! I think I'm going to go with the Costco deal. I see Costco includes 2 batteries a 4 ah and 2ah. Does anyone know the exact run time of the 2 Costco batteries combined?
My lawn usually takes 45-60 mins with a gas push mower depending on my energy levels. So decent sized subdivision home. Thanks!
Same happened to me when I saw my neighbor mowing but didn't hear him... lol. Strange that the Costco version now comes with a 4 and 2h battery, they used to both be 4ah and they had an extended warranty up to 8 years. The two 4ah batteries were supposed to last 90 mins, so I'd assume you are around 60-70 mins now... Probably my biggest gripe with Greenworks is their crappy marketing and poor product versioning/comparison... no rhyme or reason to why you can find 7 variations of the same product. crazy...
@@bl6369 agree on the Costco customer service...
I get about 1 hour and 20 minutes on the 4 ah but that’s not using the self propel. I don’t use the self propel because I have so many trees and shrubs to mow around
The Turbo mode adds only 3dB? Thank you!
Yep right around +3 db
We purchased one from Costco,have used once, so the jury is still out a little bit. Seemed fine however, but I don’t see anything in the so called owners manual about the two types of blades. They are similar but not the same. Is one for mulching and the other for side discharge or what? Can you help? I have looked on their website and still didn’t see anything about owns manual, operating instructions. Perhaps you know. It’s not as if I won’t use it either why but I am curious. Thanks for any help!
I think one is for improved mulching but not positive. May want to reach out to Greenworks service and see what they say. We've had ours for a year and my daughter mowed 4 lawns per week last year and my 11 year old just took up mowing this year and knocked out 3 lawns the other night... he made $85 and is hooked! haha
The second blade is for tall grass or wet grass. It's a high lift blade - mine says it right on the blade. For my use, I wish the high lift blade was the one they installed. I'll be swapping mine out.
Found this on Costco's page - 2 Blades (Standard and High Lift Blade- for Better Bagging and Mulching)
Wow. Good to know! Thx. Never even thought about my 2nd blade yet. I’m about to go out and mow my tall wet lawn too!
I love Greenworks but lately No responses when a problem with what we bought.HELP!
Sorry to hear that. I haven’t had to call them yet but hoped since they only offered a phone line to call that they had great service.
How much meters (M2) with 2 batterys 4 Ah Thanks.
not sure, but it mows for about 90 minutes... So I'd say, if you know how long you mow your current yard, easier to do it by time. obviously grass length and wet vs. dry play a role too.
Bud, electric cars are known for the lack of hesitation at the pedal… This is a safety feature.
Yeh I got that analogy wrong. Definitely a hesitation on the mower however, maybe for the same reason as there is no need for instant acceleration on a mower.
Tesla definitely doesn't take anytime or hesitation to take off that seems to be a communication issue
Roger that and duly noted in the comments section. There is no going back and editing on TH-cam. Lol. 😂
Everything is good here and another brand I'm looking at, except the rear wheel drive. I won't buy a rear wheel drive, front wheel drive is the only way for my property.
i have to admit, i've gotten use to it, but i do prefer front wheel for maneuverability and weight distribution.