Listen on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/0WKOn0J1qT2L13gz5ByrjK?si=wzKhTYvfR2yCTSAMzygHPA If there are topics related to this concept of 'Understanding cEDH' that you would like to see these discussion-style videos on feel free to let us know! The current topics we have planned are: - Proper threat assessment - Common win conditions by color If there are additional topics you are interested in we would love to hear them.
Probably something like interaction in colors where its hard to find this interaction... something like how to destroy a enchantment in black or something.. if u feel that this can fill a episode
I think it would be interesting to continue your last thoughts you talked about at the end, on how assess the viability of a commander in cedh. This will be great when a new legendary pops out and people want to talk about how "good" as a commander it can be. Also anything on the particular use of niche cedh staples, at times I see certain cards that constantly in decklist but don't know how effective they are.
cEDH gameplay AND informative videos/guides? Love not only the diversity but quality, you are quickly becoming my favorite commander channel! Keep it up!
Ye, wtf. My last match I played, I would've lost and there was no way I would survive 2 turns. I won, as I bluffed having a combo/loop by smiling and leaving mana open for a very obvious combo. Everyone gave up. :(
It'd be interesting to see a series on the compact, low CMC combos in the various color combinations (with an eye to the ones that don't require anything specific in the command zone)
I wish you'd have talked about the "notable exceptions to the rule" when talking about each color's strengths/weaknesses. IE. Smothering tithe in white
I need to show this to... alot of people. What i love is how relevant this is for all aspects of edh, not just competitive. If you play against tuned decks, these probably apply to all those sorts of decks. Very well made video 🙏👏👏👏
Red has 7 cards that draw seven. One's got suspend, two are on garbage creatures that cost 6+, one's an activated ability that needs you to tap the creature, one needs you to Miracle it to be playable, and the sixth one is silver bordered. In a 100-card singleton format, red doesn't have nearly enough redundancy to recover in terms of card advantage once it goes into topdeck mode. That said, we're slowly getting more and more red spells that let you play your entire graveyard or large chunks of it at once (Past in Flames, Scrap Mastery, Mizzix's Mastery, Underworld Breach, etc). Obviously, not all of these cards are competitively viable, but wotc seems to think that this style of effect is in red's color pie, so it's not unreasonable to expect more and better cards like Breach to be printed in the next 1-4 years.
Hello, I’m new to the channel but I just wanted to say this video was a big help. I’m trying to understand some of the higher power themes throughout different decks, and I’ve been trying to up my own understanding of more competitive decks. I especially thought the analysis of Damia was helpful, a more individual study of strong commanders. Please keep these types of videos coming!
White splash is better than red spalsh in many situatiins but when your deck has fewer colours red can be stronger, a mono red deck will usually be more successful than a mono white deck, godo helm for example
White's biggest strength is good synergy with blue and black, the best colors at stopping a combo dead. While it sucks on its own, white is in most of the best decks in the format and plays a pretty important role in them. White's biggest weakness is that its powerful cards are all over the place in what they do. Sun Titan, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Silence, Angel's Grace, Open the Vaults, Sram, Senior Edificer, Smothering Thithe, Stoneforge Mystic have very little to do with each other and often have contradictory directions and a lot of anti-synergy. In comparison, blue has a bunch of powerful counterspells that all fit smoothly in a deck together.
It should be noted that Green enjoys a critical mass of Creature-based tutors, which propels both mono-Green combo lines and facilitates multi-colored hatebear toolboxes.
Green gets a critical mass of a lot of things. That's why I laughed when he said "while green can't do EVERYTHING..." Green is allowed to gobble up other color's slice of the pie CONSTANTLY and do it repeatedly. What's green supposed to stand for really? They "specialize" in small creatures, big creatures, midrange creatures, card draw, ramp, mill, using and getting back cards from the graveyard, etc. Wizard looks at this and goes "you know what green needs? A 4/4 for 4 creature with vigilance deathtouch haste, can't be blocked by power 2 or less, damage can't be prevented, and does damage directly to a planeswalker when it attacks the player!" No one can honestly tell me green needed all that.
I mean it's something you should be aware of, if a red player's hand is empty, or they're dumping their hand way to fast you should expect a wheel so you might wanna play some of your important cards before they get wheeled.
Red is strong but it always feels more like a build around color instead of a splash. The power of black and white comes in how easily it can a lot into decks while green and blue can do both.
You guys should do these also for not just mono color also do it for the guilds/shards/Nephilim combinations/penta color and how each influence/complement each other Other than that great work on the video mad props to you guys...keep it up
From my experience, what u're missing in white is probably silence effects. Being significantly stronger in highly interactive meta is usually what I want from white and what I miss the most when excluding white in my deckbuilding.
Just as an example of how it might be dangerous to over assume about a commander until you've seen the deck play a little, Damia is a pretty potent and fast Aluren creature combo deck. Built right it can drop her very early and then is generally only 1-2 'draw 7' triggers away from going off.
I agree that over-assuming and making final decisions off of just the commander description and colors can be dangerous. This video should be taken more of "building an early plan for playing against a commander you aren't familiar with but still adapting to the game as it progresses" kind of way. I mentioned it towards the beginning of the video but in general, I agree with what you're saying.
Seriously, I don't know about that part where they said green has trouble rebuilding. I just got hit with like 6 board wipes the other day while I was playing Freyalise, and the thing that my buddy couldn't get enough of was how I kept repopulating my battlefield "without breaking a sweat"
Reading "extra turn spells" out of an upkeep effect is the biggest stretch I've heard. The only reason you think extra turns is because you know the deck.
I'd like to inform you, your text for the word expect has two "X's" instead of a "c". I figured you might want to know but aside from that love your content, I would like to see gameplay of Food Chain Sliver as that is my cEDH deck so I want to see how someone else plays it to get a better understanding of what to do. (5:43) for the text.
The worst feeling is when you Ad Naus into Kozilek the Great Distortion as it's the only thing that could potentially kill you or you have to worry about i the deck as losing 10 life after a bunch of little cards is no joke. So do ya feel lucky boy? Also what has happened in 4 years? As i have been hearing competitive players switch to calling Green the weakest color in the game
I think failing to mention reactive protection and weenie / go wide as part of whites strengths is underselling the color somewhat. Whether or not you argue other colors do it better, that's up to you i guess.
I'm building a feather deck like that right now. I came across seismic shift in my bulk bin while looking for relevant cards for feather and realized feather doesn't run into the usual card advantage problem with land destruction. You really only need 1-2 lands to keep chugging along so if your opponents DO manage to overtake you again, you just wipe it again.
Hey great content! However if I can say something, I find the kind of music background music you use a bit distracting. I think some "less epic", more calm music would be better. Cheers!
Meh. I think Talking About "weaknesses" for Colors doesn't serve much purpose. It's mostly About the Options brought to the table. Most played commanders are 2 or 3 Colors, so weaknesses are almost Always compensated by the other Colors.
Really? White is considered the weakest ? It has like every possible effect except discard and draw effects. Static, removal, life gain,protection, prevention, destroys artifacts enchantments. Has weenies and big fat creatures. And is the colour that you can find the effect you are looking for in " budget cards " if you can't afford the tier 1 card. Or maybe it's just me cuz I play budget kitchen table magic
Literally “counterspell” counters anything and it’s BB. Idky that was left out to the point where you criticized how “expensive” 1BB is when you could literally run counterspell for BB
Because most of the “hard counters” cost 3 except in odd circumstances like force, pact and the og Counterspell. Most of the cheap ones as stated in the section either have a draw back or some form of blow back. Delay merely delays the cast, negate can’t hit creatures, mana leak allows them to pay to force it through, and so on and so fourth.
How could you forget Red's greatest strength in cEDH? Stack interaction in the form of Pyroblast and REB. And then you didn't even mention Wheel of Fortune... odd that you'd fail to mention the three best red cards in cEDH.
Listen on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/0WKOn0J1qT2L13gz5ByrjK?si=wzKhTYvfR2yCTSAMzygHPA
If there are topics related to this concept of 'Understanding cEDH' that you would like to see these discussion-style videos on feel free to let us know! The current topics we have planned are:
- Proper threat assessment
- Common win conditions by color
If there are additional topics you are interested in we would love to hear them.
You guys have became my favorite content creators because you guys always teach me something new about the competitive commander format.
I think that turn orders and politics might do a fine episode.
Probably something like interaction in colors where its hard to find this interaction... something like how to destroy a enchantment in black or something.. if u feel that this can fill a episode
I would love a video on how to best utilize the cards that you have without having to buy expensive ones
I think it would be interesting to continue your last thoughts you talked about at the end, on how assess the viability of a commander in cedh. This will be great when a new legendary pops out and people want to talk about how "good" as a commander it can be. Also anything on the particular use of niche cedh staples, at times I see certain cards that constantly in decklist but don't know how effective they are.
Blues strengths: being blue. Weaknesses? Default setting is kill blue first.
cEDH gameplay AND informative videos/guides? Love not only the diversity but quality, you are quickly becoming my favorite commander channel! Keep it up!
We have a podcast releasing next week as well! We like to make varied things to keep the production side of things from getting too repetitive
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG please be in podbean
Idk how I feel about this video. It's very good and I like it, but the phrase "loses his mana crypt trigger" appeared zero times.
>Talks about blue
>mentions that blue players bluff a lot
MY SECRETS HAVE BEEN REVEALED! *faints dramatically*
You're bluffing! Your secrets haven't been revealed, you never blu- oh...
This is facts all my friends know that I’m a blue player. Even in my 5 color decks I have tons out cohnter spells
Ye, wtf. My last match I played, I would've lost and there was no way I would survive 2 turns. I won, as I bluffed having a combo/loop by smiling and leaving mana open for a very obvious combo. Everyone gave up. :(
>Smiling fiendishly at opponents with untapped lands and a hand of 4 islands
Don't listen to anything this video says. Why would blue players bluff? They don't need too
*Sweats in bant*
It'd be interesting to see a series on the compact, low CMC combos in the various color combinations (with an eye to the ones that don't require anything specific in the command zone)
I wish you'd have talked about the "notable exceptions to the rule" when talking about each color's strengths/weaknesses. IE. Smothering tithe in white
Hello Joseph. Well thought out video. Cheers 🍻
Thanks so much!
I need to show this to... alot of people.
What i love is how relevant this is for all aspects of edh, not just competitive. If you play against tuned decks, these probably apply to all those sorts of decks. Very well made video 🙏👏👏👏
CEDH color pie: Blue.
There are also other colors.
I'd love to listen to this Series on Spotify. Maybe you can make it work there... 🖤❤️
We have a podcast planned to go on Spotify, maybe we can add these discussion videos there as well if there's an interest
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG I am interested 👍
I will see what I can do! Thanks for the suggestion!
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG I would be interested as well, since TH-cam doesn't quite lend itself to listening in the car while driving to school
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG im going to need a notification video for that otherwise im going to forget. But that would be awesome
Still by far one of the most interesting cEDH channels. Keep up the good work guys!
This video is very well made, actually pointing out relevant strength and weaknesses of colors
The guys at Playing With Power are going to be fascinated by the Rhystic Study discussion...
Michael H. I love rhystic study. Don’t build blue without it. I win either way! You pay more of I get to draw.
Immediately thought the same thing, haha.
As someone that is new I think break down of how some of the popular combos to help newer people see how they work would be an interesting video
Great video! One thing I don't thing I've seen very much is how to play against the colors, so kudos for that!
"Red has trouble refilling it's hand."
*Laughs in Wheel of Fortune*
"Yeah, but then what?"
*Chuckles in Underworld Breach*
Yeah thank god mono red has all these tutors to find the 2 card draw spells..... Oh wait... It's just gamble
Ashra this
Red has 7 cards that draw seven. One's got suspend, two are on garbage creatures that cost 6+, one's an activated ability that needs you to tap the creature, one needs you to Miracle it to be playable, and the sixth one is silver bordered. In a 100-card singleton format, red doesn't have nearly enough redundancy to recover in terms of card advantage once it goes into topdeck mode.
That said, we're slowly getting more and more red spells that let you play your entire graveyard or large chunks of it at once (Past in Flames, Scrap Mastery, Mizzix's Mastery, Underworld Breach, etc). Obviously, not all of these cards are competitively viable, but wotc seems to think that this style of effect is in red's color pie, so it's not unreasonable to expect more and better cards like Breach to be printed in the next 1-4 years.
Hello, I’m new to the channel but I just wanted to say this video was a big help. I’m trying to understand some of the higher power themes throughout different decks, and I’ve been trying to up my own understanding of more competitive decks. I especially thought the analysis of Damia was helpful, a more individual study of strong commanders. Please keep these types of videos coming!
White doesn't have much but like... I'd take white over red most days of the week. Their hate is amazing and make a great splash colour
It's definitely deck dependant but when White fits the deck well it can definitely be a strong supporting color
White splash is better than red spalsh in many situatiins but when your deck has fewer colours red can be stronger, a mono red deck will usually be more successful than a mono white deck, godo helm for example
@@winter945 true I just think white gets a lot of shit when it's better in most cases than red
@@winter945 No doubt that Red's Command Zone options eclipse White's
White's biggest strength is good synergy with blue and black, the best colors at stopping a combo dead. While it sucks on its own, white is in most of the best decks in the format and plays a pretty important role in them.
White's biggest weakness is that its powerful cards are all over the place in what they do. Sun Titan, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Silence, Angel's Grace, Open the Vaults, Sram, Senior Edificer, Smothering Thithe, Stoneforge Mystic have very little to do with each other and often have contradictory directions and a lot of anti-synergy. In comparison, blue has a bunch of powerful counterspells that all fit smoothly in a deck together.
I don’t normally comment on videos but I really enjoyed this! I’m excited to see more of these kinds of videos!
It should be noted that Green enjoys a critical mass of Creature-based tutors, which propels both mono-Green combo lines and facilitates multi-colored hatebear toolboxes.
Green gets a critical mass of a lot of things. That's why I laughed when he said "while green can't do EVERYTHING..." Green is allowed to gobble up other color's slice of the pie CONSTANTLY and do it repeatedly. What's green supposed to stand for really? They "specialize" in small creatures, big creatures, midrange creatures, card draw, ramp, mill, using and getting back cards from the graveyard, etc. Wizard looks at this and goes "you know what green needs? A 4/4 for 4 creature with vigilance deathtouch haste, can't be blocked by power 2 or less, damage can't be prevented, and does damage directly to a planeswalker when it attacks the player!" No one can honestly tell me green needed all that.
An excellent idea and a well made podcast
"The hardest time refilling their hand." I feel like this isn't acknowledging wheel effects, of which red has some of the best ones.
Refilling 3 other players hand usually isn't worth it
I mean it's something you should be aware of, if a red player's hand is empty, or they're dumping their hand way to fast you should expect a wheel so you might wanna play some of your important cards before they get wheeled.
Thank you for explaining the color pie i have show this to couple of new cammander players
Very nice vid!!! Hope to see more!!!
Love the idea of this video
This video was awesome. Thank you 🙏
White is one of the strongest colors.....for stax
Absolutely amazing video! Keep it up!
really love this kind of videos. Amazing!!!
Sooooo good! Great video!
Red is strong but it always feels more like a build around color instead of a splash. The power of black and white comes in how easily it can a lot into decks while green and blue can do both.
Great content!
Very well done 👍😊!!!!
You guys should do these also for not just mono color also do it for the guilds/shards/Nephilim combinations/penta color and how each influence/complement each other
Other than that great work on the video mad props to you guys...keep it up
From my experience, what u're missing in white is probably silence effects. Being significantly stronger in highly interactive meta is usually what I want from white and what I miss the most when excluding white in my deckbuilding.
This rules. Thanks so much y'all.
I know there aren’t as many commander decks, but what about colourless commander decks?
Just as an example of how it might be dangerous to over assume about a commander until you've seen the deck play a little, Damia is a pretty potent and fast Aluren creature combo deck. Built right it can drop her very early and then is generally only 1-2 'draw 7' triggers away from going off.
I agree that over-assuming and making final decisions off of just the commander description and colors can be dangerous. This video should be taken more of "building an early plan for playing against a commander you aren't familiar with but still adapting to the game as it progresses" kind of way. I mentioned it towards the beginning of the video but in general, I agree with what you're saying.
Seriously, I don't know about that part where they said green has trouble rebuilding. I just got hit with like 6 board wipes the other day while I was playing Freyalise, and the thing that my buddy couldn't get enough of was how I kept repopulating my battlefield "without breaking a sweat"
Red and White are great Stax colors, and if you add Blue ....well :))
You forgot about artifact synergy and the fact that black is also a removal colour in multicoloured decks without white
I think red is defiantly the worst color because white has all the best board wipes and single target removal
Reading "extra turn spells" out of an upkeep effect is the biggest stretch I've heard. The only reason you think extra turns is because you know the deck.
Very well done. Good job.
@14:40 what do mean that black doesn't have Enchantment removal?! Black has like two cards that can remove Enchantments!🙃
It also has 2 counterspells!
And Fog! Darkness, everybody, Darkness. 🔥
my damia is about drawing and filling my hand, play extra lands as ramp, and the win is lab maniac but it's a casual deck
*hears about your deck
Thassa's Oracle: Hello There
Edit: Do you play Null Profision and Recycle? Trying to build a similar deck
@@mitchelschafer1347 yeah, I have to add that to my deck, maybe even jace... And no, not null profusion or recycle... the deck is kinda slow hahah
Nice
I'd like to inform you, your text for the word expect has two "X's" instead of a "c". I figured you might want to know but aside from that love your content, I would like to see gameplay of Food Chain Sliver as that is my cEDH deck so I want to see how someone else plays it to get a better understanding of what to do. (5:43) for the text.
The worst feeling is when you Ad Naus into Kozilek the Great Distortion as it's the only thing that could potentially kill you or you have to worry about i the deck as losing 10 life after a bunch of little cards is no joke. So do ya feel lucky boy? Also what has happened in 4 years? As i have been hearing competitive players switch to calling Green the weakest color in the game
Am I seeing this correctly...you spelled “expect” as “expext”...?
Nice video
I think failing to mention reactive protection and weenie / go wide as part of whites strengths is underselling the color somewhat. Whether or not you argue other colors do it better, that's up to you i guess.
those are not competitive strategies
Color pie in cEDH?
Black is Consultation, Blue is Oracle.
The rest are a cute honored mention.
Dragonlord Dromoka hard-counters blue pretty effectively.
Player removal is best removal, just saying....
Yes I’m a red player, how’d you know?
*Chaos Warp is typing...*
Anyone know the music in the background?
Three words....boros land destruction
I'm building a feather deck like that right now. I came across seismic shift in my bulk bin while looking for relevant cards for feather and realized feather doesn't run into the usual card advantage problem with land destruction. You really only need 1-2 lands to keep chugging along so if your opponents DO manage to overtake you again, you just wipe it again.
Hey great content! However if I can say something, I find the kind of music background music you use a bit distracting. I think some "less epic", more calm music would be better. Cheers!
Meh. I think Talking About "weaknesses" for Colors doesn't serve much purpose. It's mostly About the Options brought to the table. Most played commanders are 2 or 3 Colors, so weaknesses are almost Always compensated by the other Colors.
Really? White is considered the weakest ? It has like every possible effect except discard and draw effects. Static, removal, life gain,protection, prevention, destroys artifacts enchantments. Has weenies and big fat creatures. And is the colour that you can find the effect you are looking for in " budget cards " if you can't afford the tier 1 card. Or maybe it's just me cuz I play budget kitchen table magic
How come you didn't mention colorless?
Because it's not a "color" and it doesn't show up in the color pie.
Literally “counterspell” counters anything and it’s BB. Idky that was left out to the point where you criticized how “expensive” 1BB is when you could literally run counterspell for BB
Actually, it's UU.
Epsilon Karamazov counterspell? It’s two blue.
Right. U is for blue, B Is for black. Brain fart 😂
Because most of the “hard counters” cost 3 except in odd circumstances like force, pact and the og Counterspell. Most of the cheap ones as stated in the section either have a draw back or some form of blow back. Delay merely delays the cast, negate can’t hit creatures, mana leak allows them to pay to force it through, and so on and so fourth.
No mention to Smothering Tithe, the most broken white card for EDH? reee
@@treycuret -disgusting in a lot of situations like opus thief or any mono w deck
-one of the strongest w cards in cEDH
-wrong
What should you expect from a Phelddagrif? XD
An unfun game where the winner feels like they didn't earn it?
What about a mud player
How could you forget Red's greatest strength in cEDH? Stack interaction in the form of Pyroblast and REB. And then you didn't even mention Wheel of Fortune... odd that you'd fail to mention the three best red cards in cEDH.
Drat
Smothering Tithe!
I made a boros deck n I destroyed all my friends lands with wildfire n I duplicate it my friends were not happy getting set back to square one