Crash Truck Dash Cam: AA 383 Fire at O’Hare (Fire Trucks Nearly Collide)
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- Every video of the response to the uncontained engine failure of a Boeing 767 (American Airlines Flight #383) on departure from O’Hare International Airport contains a wealth of information about the incident and the fire department’s response to it. While the overall theme can be appropriately summarized with “job well done” there are certainly lessons to be learned. (And they have been.)
It’s not often that an unscripted video contains sound effects that adequately convey a sense of what’s going on, but the scene beginning around 3:25 in this particular video sure as hell does. (Watch your speakers.)
One thing which is particularly noticeable in this video is the effect of wind on firefighting operations. Even flowing well over 1,000 GPM with enough force to throw a straight stream over 200 feet, the wind has no trouble interfering with foam/water/Purple-K application. (The Purple-K flow is quite evident in this video, and even more visible in an upcoming video. It’s pretty neat, it's expensive, and it's also the source of an amusing story about this response - to come.)
Shortly, this channel will be posting additional videos of the response to AA 383. They will include views from other crash rigs along with new and interesting information about the incident itself. (Hey, you didn’t know about the near-crash, right?)
One light-hearted teaser: The AA 383 fire occurred the day prior to one firefighters scheduled retirement. As of that morning he had not been on shift for the response to an aircraft fire. Ever. (Yes, an airport firefighter. Planes are safe.)
There isn’t much that an ARFF firefighter enjoys more than playing with their toys - and they rarely get to flow foam during training - so it’s perfectly understandable that you can hear that very firefighter happily saying “I got my fire!” on the ride back to the station for a tank refill.
Coming up soon.
*Audio has been edited to significantly reduce the nonstop PASS alarm which sounds throughout this video. (Interestingly absent in other videos, although they had their own squeaks which required serious noise reduction.)
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that alarm synced up pretty well with the windshield wipers
Lol I was looking if anyone else saw that
Thank god I'm not the only one😂😂😂😂
Sounds similar to a Scott Air-pak PASS device. Someone do the Harlem Shake please!
True
Yeh finally they turned off Delay Wipers and got real
Awesome job to the crew involved. That PASS alarm going off would drive me insane if i was this operator
Brian Pollick
Most operators have headsets on. The pass device doesn't bleed through too much.
Someone needs to double tap that PASS Alarm to reset it
OntarioFirefighter no you just shake it...
JayJayAuto not once it’s fully activated
@@briantheminer yeah but there are more important things in this moment
When you're task saturated...AKA "Overloaded"...the first sense to go is hearing. They literally didn't hear it as their total concentration was on the preparation and execution of their mission. Don't know why they didn't reset it once they were RTB though...maybe the adrenaline was still pumping or they were thinking about all the paperwork and clean up!lol!
Has anyone ever actually been saved by a PASS device?
7:45 person gets wrecked by the cannon.
From a YVR employee, awesome response, awesome video.
They should try learning how to talk professionally besides all the profanity
That was a crazy car wash there.
3:27 almost bump each other and he just horned it
Really poor decision by the driver of 653. He should have backed out and not made a blind, hard right turn in front of another truck.
thanks for the time mark
AllSports JDR it kinda looked like he backed up a bit... I think 🤔
Tunnel Vision, that happened with the adrenaline
What did you want him to do, foam him?
I must have missed the part in the response manuals where it says to activate your PASS while responding to the call.
Lol I was wondering the same thing
Must be another of the new safety initiatives Ive been hearing about.
Amazing job by all involved that day. A lot of lives saved. From the quick response of the flight crew, airport dispatchers, fire crews , flight attendants evacuating etc. Things work like they were supposed to in an emergency situation like that
I read the interviews from the flight crew and it sounded like they did a fantastic job getting the idiotic passengers to safety. It's ridiculous that people were concerned with their luggage while the plane was melting around them. Also congratulations to the idiot in 20B who learned about jet blast the hard way. I bet he'll follow the flight attendant's instructions next time.
Great video guys. Really something. Some clowns are ging to see this & edited the good stuff out & make a movie out of it. It is so important at least to get to see it b4 it gets trashed. You guys did an awesome job. That was a scary near miss. I actually thought he hit you.
Shut that damn pass device off!
Glad I wasn't the only one
They had more important things to worry about at the time. This event was not for your viewing pleasure
What if they didn’t want to
They weren't responding on a building fire or smoke in a building, they were going to an aircraft on fire. PASS devices are great for a unconscious firefighter in a building with zero visibility.
John Iii it’s a firefighter safety device, and is no use if it’s like that. If they had to respond to people inside the aircraft?
3:25 save your time thank me later
Thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you!!!!
Grazie !
Yaz!!!!
Was there that day. GE CF6 uncontained engine failure. They were picking turbine blade fragments off rooftops a half a mile away.
Very nice video👍
FireMan: do you know where is the target?
OH *hoooooooonnnnk*😂
Fuselarge kept intact, a stubborn fire, highly trained dudes that understood situational awarness.
The approach in basic ARFF is 45 degrees on the up-wind and up -hill side of the emergency? The two pieces of appartus that almost collided was classic! I love the PASS alarm going off, like its part of the warning system, or is it that someone spazzed out and doesnt know how to shut it off?? The conversation in the cab is rich!!!! Bascially, lets keep shooting foam, till we run out and don't utilize aggressive turret/deluge placement. ARFF is a very tricky business. You shine, when you're training pays off because the "big one"comes in on you're shift. You need more practice gang!!
If firefighters and EMS can drive a vehicle so carelessly as to have it almost collide, then there is no reason they should even be driving let alone be qualified firefighters.
This looks like the coolest job in the world!!!!!!!!!!!
I loved the wipers keeping perfect rhythm with the alarm....
I noticed that the firefighter that were working on the ground seemed not to be wearing the silver fire suits (I'm at a loss as to their real names). Why? Is there a different suit that's used now?
Just normal structural gear. Truck technology has come a long way so most of the heavy lifting is done with the wheels. The proximity gear is probably still in use somewhere but I'm not sure it's in use that often in NA anymore.
Those sliver suits (called proximity suits btw) are rarely used for many reason. Those suits are only really used for chemical tank/high heat long burning fires, and oil field fires. Structural turnouts are sufficient for ARFF.
Hi there, cool video! I was wondering if I could feature this video on my Weekly Aviation Update series? Of course, you’ll be credited in the video and description.
good job!
Amazed to see that the resin in the composite flight controls burned away leaving the carbon fiber cores flapping like blankets.
Well that was cool as hell! I want that job!
Someone’s going to have to get a couple extra mops to clean this up...😁
CHECK. YOUR. PASS!!
At least the trucks got a wash at the same time lol. Seriously I hope no one got hurt.
Passengers 161
Crew 9
Fatalities 0
Injuries 20[1]
Survivors 170 (all)
That's the darkest smoke I've ever seen
Cabin alarm straight from Austin Powers 😂
I think it will buff out...
eeek, that wing melting like that.....I didn't know they could do that...now I have visions of the wing doing that while still aloft...
It's aluminum. Which melts at a lower temp. Just like the structure of Shuttle columbia.
Cwswb Don't worry. By the time the wing bends like that, you are no longer in the air...
I believe this is a composite wing. The bending you see is the fibers coming apart.
The elevator might be composite but the wing, which holds the engine is aluminum. It looks like the elevator is de-laminating....quite the sight.
Cwswb that’s like a 1 in 100000 chance of a plane crashing
I saw the smoke from my house and knew something had to be happening at the airport. It looked close to me.
Oh man me too!
3:40 that was close!
The near miss of the trucks WTF ! classic response error create another problem !
I know my first thought should not have been "well that's just fuckin neato" but goddamnit that's just fuckin neato
Looks like a job well done close call with truck passing in front like that, l understand it can be a bit of excitement in the moment. But you still have to be aware of trucks etc on fire ground still fire was put out so job done.
The pilot and co-pilot having 23 years combined active military flight servive and 40,000 combined flight hours, almost 6,000 of them being behind the controls this exact plane, explains why this evacuation went so smoothly and no lives were lost.
This evacuation did not go smoothly, for several reasons. First, the left engine was not shut down during the pax egress, causing a serious injury when an evacuee was knocked over by jet blast. This could have been much worse. Second, the attendants could not speak to the flight deck because the interphone on this 767 was different to the one they had used in training. And third, many passengers, despite specific instructions from attendants, attempted to take their carry ons during the evac. The first and third of these are not uncommon during ground evacuations, leading the NTSB to make specific recomendations as a result of this incident.
Sounds good automatic transmission and great job
Going off memory from several years ago, seeing that right wing burned up is alarming given that the 767 holds around 5000 gallons in the wings and not counting the fuselage tanks. Yikes. Neat video
I actually have the numbers from that flight. On takeoff the plane had 42,500 pounds of fuel onboard, 6,259 gallons pretty evenly divided between the wing tanks. The estimated amount of fuel lost to fire is 2,040 gallons.
(NTSB calculated that approximately 350 gallons were used for the aborted takeoff roll, and after the incident 2,917 gallons were removed from the left wing and 950 gallons removed from the right. I added the page with those to the photos and documents at tiny.cc/AA383Pics.)
Dan Kuettel:
Heavies, including the A330,A350,787,747,A380,777s usually carries fuel in wing-tanks Only for the "short" Atlantic hops. The Wing-Box "the empty center fuel tank" is filled with an inert gas since the TWA flight 800 tragedy.
And if a Heavy does have fuel in the center wing tank.....on-board nitrogen (in tanks) or created from the Fan-Jets...is automatically pumped in the center tank as soon as the flight crew throws a couple of switches.
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I'd love to see the right win burn up.
That officer annoys me. And the damn PASS!
dude your videos are amazing! can I help edit or anything?
U can help me edit some of my vids?
U can be my editor?
@@nathnaielfasil9511 The channel here, yes.
They mean "ohhh Helloooooooooo"
and this alert in the back is the key for handling stress situations...?
Its an safety System... if you are firefighter and you are not moving for 20 seconds or longer the alarm beginnst.... its especially for when you are in a burning house and you get lost or hurt
I saw it coming before the wipers were turned on.
Sounds like the emergency strobe lights are what is creating the high frequency screech over the radio. Heard this many times before in the fire service. Great job to the crews, of the surround & drown!
The entire 14:58 - *bee *bee *bee *BEEP.
BLEEDING CHRIST!
Back to video: Is actually cool seeing firefighters going in an airport runway.
I like that noise so much. I would use that to help me sleep every night. I'm going to make a 10 hour video of it!
Really??? You could sleep to this annoying noise??? Oh man NOT me
That's crazy.
Amazing how little time it takes for fire to destroy an aircraft.
I've never seen an aircraft wing buckle and melt like that before. That was one HOT fire.
It doesn't take a whole lot to weaken fairly thin aluminum.
Because aircraft fuel tank is located in their wings..
Fire consumes, and consumes quickly. Doesn't matter what it's consuming.
Lots of fuel burning
OHHH!!!! *BRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNN*
The pass is in time with the wipers
The brother to keen on Delay Wipe....
Do those crash trucks have sealed cabs? Can they isolate themselves from outside air?
no
Pretty sure there was contact there, hope everyone from the flight was okay
Did any body saw the braking marks on runway dam,nice job by the Pilot.
Also tire debris as they enter the runway. The skid marks indicate the right outer was blown.
Anyone else getting annoyed with the PASS alarm going off????? That would mean several push ups..........
I was wondering what that was, what is PASS
PASS stands for Personal Alert Safety System. It is designed to sound off an alarm when a firefighter is not moving for a certain amount of time.
@@oDyIan I actually don't believe its a pass alarm, I believe its an alarm thats part of the truck, I've heard a similar alarm activated from a Response video from one of these airport trucks.
The alarm is in sync with the windshield wipers. How cool is that?
Nope. I'm too busy watching the video. You might try turning the volume down a bit if you can't ignore it.
sounds like star trek the beeping
was this a actual aircraft accident or just a training drill ?
How Long to refill the Water Tank on each Vehicle..?
Yes, turn that flipping alarm off..
Cool video but damn..shut that PASS alarm off
So Boeing had wind that folded down before Airbus? :p
Those are the guys on the ground you can ALWAUS depend on.
Does that foam get sucked/cleaned up off the runway or it just flows to the grass? ( I know there's jet fuel mixed in, too)
Charles Sagler they have trucks that come after the aircraft is moved to clean up the foam and fuel
Most foam up until last year was highly corrosive and toxic so they will clean it up after
The beeping.. Jesus, how do you think?
Some sort of infrared system would obviously help put out fires you cannot see...
They have that
I hope they got as much foam on the fire as they did on the fire trucks.
They know the foam needs to go on the fire to put it out?
what are windshield wipers
Reset that damn pack!! Lol
3:25 🙊🥴😳
Is it just me? But for about 2-3 minutes the jet was just missing the whole fire and kind of skirting around it!!!
Do you understand the term pissing in the wind.
Absolutely no command or control, and the mumbling is deadly! They sound like they were hired by the same people that hire for T.S.A.!
Actually the audio of the firefighters talking to each other has been turned down a bit. Also they did the right thing cause as you can see the foam was laid on the ground to stop fire spreading on the leaking fuel and than foam was sprayed onto the wing and engine. But there is always additional learning that can be done with this video
Very non-professional talking over radio
I watch a lot of these fires on here I don't understand why firetrucks don't have a front nozzle like the firetrucks at the airports have.Then they could be putting water on a fire a lot sooner and it could even save someones live. Because from what I've seen on here it takes the firefighters some time to hook up the hoses and start putting water on the fire.
timothy prescott the reason why we don't put water on a structure fire is what is called the lobster effect. You put water on a fire it becomes steam. The life you are trying to save now becomes a steamed lobster. Interior crews have a line. As they clear an area they can spray water. Again they aren't immune to this. The bunker gear shields us from direct flame. We can still get steamed. Hope this helps to explain it. A lot of rigs have a deck gin we use in a surround and drown situation.
Thank you for telling me why I've wondered why they didn't do that.
Why is jet A so hard to put out?
Funny, there was a fire there today
Interesting to note how long it took to cool the area down sufficiently to prevent re-ignition. Does foam have a much lower cooling effect than water ?
John Murrell usually water just spreads burning fuel. Foam suffocates the fire to put it out. Cooling isn't an option with the high octane of jet fuel
Hello Brian,
I understand that one cannot use water but what struck me was how poor the foam was at cooling the hot material to below the re-ignition temperature. The fire must have relit about 6 times when they stopped pouring the foam on. It was a good thing the passengers had gort out and the fire was not that close to the fuselage.
Yeah i was under the same understanding as well. It almost seemed like the foam was watered down and wasnt coating the aircraft like it should. I do know the aircraft turbine has many different chambers in it that the fire could easily rekindle from built up heat, but youre right that the foam should have been more effective
The first fire engines left at speed before the situation was fully under control. I presume they had run out of foam & water and had to go for additional supplies ?
Airport crash trucks use Type B Foam in their water supply. It's meant to coat liquids and cut off the oxygen supply to the fuel.
The reason it's hard to cool the engine is due to all the compartments and having a fuel supply that the engines can't coat.
Fuel shutdowns only work if they haven't melted and failed.
You'll see the crew blasting water in both the inlet and outlet of the engine. That's the most effective way of extinguishing an engine that's out of control. Meaning it's burning fuel without the control of the pilot.
Except for the engineer that almost collided with the truck, this was a text book call and all around good job.
That engineer will be reprimanded after reviewing the footage.
Someone should’ve had a FLIR heat thermal camera to see through the smoke to aim the foam on the fire. It look like you were shooting in the blind
nsvr6 Every truck is equipped with that,
Says someone who’s never taught a fire in their life..... tell me more about what they should do?
I think a joke doesn't need quite such a reaction. PN's comment reminds me of a picture floating around the web of a bedroom catching fire. The caption read: "Room on fire!!! Must take a picture!!"
Psychological Nudity I was responding to the OP. Not you.
MomedicsChannel I didn't know ur supposed to teach the fires
I thought you were always supposed to go around behind the truck not in between the target and the truck? WTF.
Scary. All that fuel.
@prankmonkey - Roll the crash trucks for the crash trucks. :)
Roll the crash trucks for the crash trucks.
Looks like mr. emanuel bought the cheap foam! Good stuff not in the budget!
don't worry, youtube comments will fix it
Just a suggestion from a pilot - you got the harpoon just sitting there. The fire keeps reigniting because one of the fuel bladders is compromised. Jam than harpoon into the wing and fill that bladder up with foam and water the the Kerosene won't burn anymore.
But then you are just forcing the fuel out of the already leaking breach by adding foam into the tank. The inside of the tank isn't burning, it's the fuel leaking out of the tank.
Let’s not break the speed limit
OMG turn off that alarm!!
Chloe Hennessey you do realise what the point of an alarm is right?
0:34 why is there a hold short marking on the runway?
Looks like there used to be a runway intersection there, look on google maps
Chicagos 1 trillion runways that come and go
Can you imagine what would have happened if the engine would’ve caught fire after v1...
Air France 4590.
After v1 keepin rotate
I haven't read the NTSB but it looks like a blown tire punctured the wing.
@@L8nitedave no , it is the engine itself that exploded (there was a big boum , probably one of the reason they decided to stop at all)
@@mata2723 what's that on the runway at :34 seconds?
Bad position, you are colecting your own spray. LOL.
Why is this in my feed? Bad TH-cam, I'm flying into o'hare Wednesday
Its ok, ohare is out of foam now.
@@duaneantor9157 hahahaaahaha that is not ok..
Basically what Duane is saying "you are going to catch fire and they won't put the fire out"
I said nothing even close. lol He puts BS in quotes like I said it.
God bless the firefighters. But my question is why are they shooting water on the side that is blowing it away from the plane when there should be at least another engine or two on the other side putting out the flames?
Because the fire was only in the right hand engine
Pucha, que pasó, hubo heridos???..gracias a dios hay carro de bomberos, pero casi chocan, con ese espumero no se ve nada...deberían usar algo que los ilumine, el otro dia en un accidente aéreo leí, que pisaron una persona, precisamente por lo mismo, uno herido sin poder gritar con el carro encima...terrible...
I can’t believe that they allowed that pass alarm to go off for the entire response, I would have ripped that airpak out of its holder and reset it or thrown the goddamn thing out of the rig. That near collision by the that other ARFF rig was intense as well.
It's not a PASS device
Where's the passengers?
You can spot them to the far left as the truck approaches the plane.
Why is his alarm sounding? Ours dont activate until we pull a tag we give to the officer or BA entry control
Gee Paul not all PASS systems are the same. Some are activated when you turn on your scba
Likely accidentally activated. Could maybe have snagged it and with the headset on Likely can't hear it.
Shut that goddamn PASS alarm off!