Two eBikes - Different Motors! CyklonEbike Venom Extreme 12 600 W QS205 4T vs 5T - what to choose?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2019
- Today we are testing two eBikes with the exact same specifications except for the motor winding. Both feature 150A controllers and top out at 12600 W but one has a QS205 5T and the other QS205 4T. They also have the same tires and the same wheel sizes. Also the same 3,5 kWh battery. We made ósme acceleration test as well as vmax. Which motor to choose in Your eBike? Are these Hubmotors suitable for Your future powerful eBike? One way to find out! Let's watch!
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The editing was on point in this video! And thank you for the art ❤️ x'D
bro, thank you very much, I've been looking for information about windings for 3 days! I looked at your vidos and immediately realized what I needed
Hey bro..this video (also the asi bac Controller video) made me a real fan of your work. You explain things neat and clean and keep alot of wasted time off of E.S. !! Good work bro and much respect, keep video's like this coming they are such a good introduction to people trying to learn..how to push the tech👍
Awesome video Ive been looking at the QS and 3k turbo you've answered all my questions in one video except for wheelie ability. lol
Enjoyed the video guys thank-you!
Loved your English tea room accent at the end .
I run qs 273 3.5t Love it keep up the good work.
cant imagine the torque on a 273 3.5t lol
@@zephyr2278 top speed*, higher T for torque
So now we need the difference between the 205 and 273 Im ordering a 205 from QSmotors direct with 19" hub so is the 273 worth the extra money? thanks
@@brannenthompson9662 I get plenty of torque and I run mine on 21"motor cross wheels I got to put a 4" tyre on to stop it spinning abit off road .But I bought it to run 140v out the door 200amp. So plenty of top speed.
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As usual great video. I think we as fans of your channel appreciate you explaining the motor configuration, as i want to learn much as possible.
For me I'm after top speed. I'll be getting the kariwa v2 with all the bells and whistles, but I'm using it on tarmac lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng country rural roads. As with the old kariwa total top, i want to hit 100mph with 32000w.
What can i say thats just me lol.
Until next time.
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you crazy and i like it :D
Have been saving for an ebike. Thanks wrong way .
hey guys! good comparison but would be nice to see hub temperature differences
Thanks for review, Adam. Then it is decided: let's put 4T on EUC...
BEAUTIFUL BIKES..... I want one like this for riding in PA because it's very hilly where I live hut also there's a lot of street traffic so I'd probably go w/ a 4t or 5t motor and 72250 controller.
What would it be Qs273 with a 6T winding like compared and the QS205 winding table categories in the video ?
hi, i have a question because i have the same kelly kls7230s and qs205 v3 t5 3000w controller with a 72v 30ah bms 120a battery, what percentage do you mark in current motor and current battery in the controller parameters? Thanks in advance and greetings!!!
If you have good battery and controller you can accelerate fast with 3t motor just need to set max phase amps. In other words low turn motor needs more phase current to gain torque while high turn motor has better torque at low phase current.
so if I have the QS 273 3T on a 200 amp Sabvoton controller, how do I set it for higher initial torque for off roading? thanks!
I have QS 273, 3.5T sab 150a controller, how do i do it? Please sir
As I too am new to this
I foumd this.
endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=56378
Starting torque adjustment.
The throttle max volt should be set the same as the value which was inspected when the throttle was fully twisted after power on.
Improve the starting torque by reducing the value of “throttle middle volt” which is between “3.5V~2V”.And by raise the throttle middle phase current one can improve the starting torque as well.
-----1)For the controller with a limiting DC current is 60-80A,it is recommended to set the throttle middle phase current 60-120A.
-----2)For the controller with a limiting DC current is 80-100A,it is recommended to set the throttle middle phase current 80-150A.
-----3)For the controller with a limiting DC current is 100-150A,it is recommended to set the throttle middle phase current 80-200A.
The acceleration or deceleration time
The less the “acceleration time” or “deceleration time” is, the faster the throttle will response ,(It is forbidden that the time set over 2000ms); One could adjust the parameter to suit own driving habit within the range (less than 2000ms)
@@rsummers1974ify set your accel or Decel time to 100ms
Look like 4.5 would be the sweet spot. 80km/h with decent acceleration. But at the same time a 5t is more usefull in cities and more fun in the woods without disturbing the locals😛 saves me hassle.
Have you ever tried statorade?
Statorade and those hub sinks. Changed tbe way i ride my homemade ebike man. Theyre amazing
I have LG battery 49ah 72V and 80A and Sabvoton SVMC072150 (72V 150A max).for me the range very important because I work for wolt delivery food. So Its better 4t motor or 5t?
What T is suitable 4 me? My first preference is Longest range, what is the km range of the longest range? Second is the fastest. So which T is right 4 me? And How much is it?
i am 120kg plus and have 3k turbo and 100a sabvoton controller and i have to tell u the torque and acceleration is incredible i cant full throttle it as it threw me back of start and speed i getting is 80mph with 80v charge.... well chuffed
What battery powers this beast you speak of
What voltage? I'm pushing 60a at 72v, 4t and at 84v I get to 52mph. I'm wondering because I want a combination of power and speed that can do hills and cruise at 45mph with extra speed on tap.
Спасибо за наглядные примеры!
What is the size of wheel, spokes and rim?
Pretty new to automotive
I need your help
I love my 5T, can't do 100kmh but it slingshots out of standstill 😁
That's what I ordered as well. Howvere I'm wondering are you able to lace those motors on a mountain bike rim?
@@Mash3OH3 Yes you can
I laced my in 26 rim but with motorcycle spokes
@ACAGT
Coukd you direct me where you got your rim and motorcycle spokes? I had no idea motorcycle spokes work on a mountain bike rim
I have a 12000w battery and a 2.5T motor. While it goes fast from 20-60 its not gonna pop wheelies or climb up steep hills.
I'm considering putting a 3.5T in the rear and a 3.5T in the front (with a fat bike fork). 2 x controllers and 26x4.0 inch fat tyres.
Technically I can have the best of both 3.5T and 5T by this setup right?
Still waiting on the fat bike I ordered to do the measurements before I order all the other components.
Battery will be 25s 96V with plenty of Amp hours.
Can anyone tell me what top speed 96V with a single 5T in the rear would give? If it's enough for me I don't need to waste ££ on extra controller and motor.
Itll be a heavy ass bike for sure
I wonder what a dual motor scooter with a 3T on the front, and a 6T on the rear would be like?
Better or worse than a dual motor with 4.5T + 4.5T?
It would actually be very difficult to control. You wouldn't like it.
@@JoshStreetDesign difficult in what regard?
@@weedylock the front wheel yanks the bike around, especially when you're off road. That's why you never see two wheel drive bikes
@@JoshStreetDesign the are fat bikes with 2 wheel drive. If you make the rear 2 times more torquer could that compensate?
@@weedylock you'll end up overspinning the higher wound motor causing problems, if the lower wound motor has enough power to drag the higher wound motor.
Masz zdecydowanie za mało wyświetleń i za dużo łapek w dół jak na tak świetny kontent, błędem było że wogole nagrywałeś po Polsku, teraz i tak TH-cam będzie ucinał Ci zasięgi za granicą, a stado polaczków będzie się pluć w komentarzach że po angielsku bo w większości do nich tylko będą docierać filmiki. Nie wiem czemu ludziom przeszkadza że nagrywasz po angielsku, przecież i tak dodajesz napisy po PL. Mimo wszystko jako Polak doceniam to co wrzucasz na kanał i życzę sukcesów w 2020 żeby kanał jednak przebił się gdzieś dalej i nie trać zapału! Pozdro Wrooooong Way! :D
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the website in a different language how much is the 5 t
Hi are those T ratings specially made for your company?? Im pretty sure when you buy from QSmotor the higher the T, so 5T for example, it will be the fastest top speed but your chart says 3T is the fastest? Can u clarify? Thanks
No, mxus works the same way too. Lower the T rating, faster you will go but accelleration will be slower. This also compromises the efficiency on hill climbing, while a 3t motor hill climbing efficiency might be somewhere around 60%, a 4t will have a 65-70% efficency (just examples)
what is the top speed with 4t without flux ?
Hey, what fenders did you use on this bike? I am having trouble finding fenders for my stealth bomber type bike.
I believe those are mudhuggers
I am torn between the 3.5t and the 4t with 8K motor. I do 50/50 riding off road/on road
How much for a 4T to New Zealand
Ok but QS 205 have 5000w version and 3000w which one are those in the video?
The 205 is a 3000 to like 8000 watt motor and their next size up is the 273 which is even bigger for like 10000 to 20000 watts but to answer your question both lol
Where did you get your fender?
wybór przewiniętego silnika jest w podstawowej cenie konfiguracji , czy płatne dodatkowo ?
zawsze w cenie
Can you do a bike build video ?
How many phase amps here?
what is the seat reiforcment upgrade, that is part of your options on your eshop during configurating bike ?
It is a seat reinforcement for higher loads/weight on the ebike :)
Sounds like a bs add on to scrape more money off you. Wth needs to be reinforced. It's already made of like 3/8 steel. It's not like a hippo will be riding it
co to za opony? fajny test
Nice
Mam pytanie czy wszystkie wasze silniki oraz sterowniki maja wbudowane czujniki temperatury ??
mamy tak dużą ofertę sterowników i silników, że odpowiedź brzmi zdecydowanie NIE. jednak mamy w ofercie zarówno sterowniki jak i silniki z wbudowanymi czujunikami
Mate any way you could possibly help I have a 5t and my mate has a 4t we are both running the same battery for some reason he always beats me off the mark and top
how much do you both weigh?
and do you have the same controlers?
HI. NICE VIDEO. JUST A QUESTION ABOUT NOISE. IS THERE ANY NOISE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 4T 5T AND 6T?? I'M LOOKING FOR A 6T
my 3.5t is completely silent. The noise factor will depend on your controller.
@@JoshStreetDesign are you still able to do wheelies with 3.5t
5:21 ten obrazek mnie rozwalił :)
Hi what’s the difference between the venom total top and the venom extreme in power and speed.
quite the same in serial, but total top open a door for custom configuration up to 180km/h and powers even up 30 000W
Ordered my venom total top last week just wanted to know what the difference was between having 12600 w and 17600 w so thanks for the reply.
Peak phase current on both motors?..
Hey, what motor do you get when you order the Venom Total Top?
QS205 with widing on your request
@@BearEbike Is there any extra expenses to get a 5T over a 4T?
@@robertv6924 no. free of charge
@@BearEbike Okay, thank you
Super prezentacja ,ale kiedy oficjalnie pokażecie nowa ramę CARBONITE ?????
w wolnym czasie.
Marian, wpadnij do nas, zobaczysz na żywo
How did you put 12 KW in 205QS motor ? Is it not 6000W input ?
Electric motors are just rated for power, It’s not a set number. basically, if you have a motor that’s rated for 12 kW it means that it could withstand that power/heat forever. You can peek electric motors typically three or four times they’re rated number for short periods of time. Just because the bike is 12 kW doesn’t mean it’s always using 12 kW. The 12 kW would only happen if you’re going uphill or from a standstill acceleration. Once the bike is rolling at speed, it doesn’t use much power to maintain the speed. Hope that helps!
Hey guys, I have a QSMOTOR 72VMDS50H211104 1053 and I have no idea which model and how many turns it is. I emailed QSMOTOR and got no response. Any idea which one it is? Also, I' m struggling to tune it. I have an outdated, rebranded fardriver 80/300 and after I tuned it, the bike shuts off nearly every time at the same spot when i commute home (40 km uphill mostly). It didn't shut off on the stock tune, i forgot to save the settings so no idea what they were, and when i turn the bike back on everything is fine. I don't think it's BMS related as my voltage sag isn't all that bad and i have over 50% battery remaining when it does trip. I've tried as low as 60 line current, 180 phase and it still tripped. Using my laser temp gun, the outside of the motor goes as high as 115F which to me, isn't very hot but that's the outside, not the inside. I am a heavy guy, about 265lbs with all my moto gear on. My battery is a 72v 41ah LG cells, 150a BMS 2995.2 whatt hours. Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!
Did you ever get this sorted out?
@@imho7250 yes. It was a rebranded fardriver outdated no longer supported midu ebike garbage. Motor is a qsmotor 205 V1 4T 3kw running at 5kw nominal 210 phase with statorade on a Nd72530 for a while now, flawless performance. Upgraded battery is next!
@@500wattz , i wonder why it was cutting off sometimes. Did you replace it?
The QS205 50H is a nice motor. Im sure it can handle a 72360 (190 DC).
Can you change the sprocket?
Yes
Hi sir, how can i make my QS 273 motor 3.5T faster Acceleration ?? Running a sabvaton 150a controller , 72v 40ah battery
jon henry so 150a isn’t enough?? I was just gone upgraded battery’. Im running a 21inch 2.75” motorcycle rims/tires
jon henry no so the battery is a panasonic 72v 40ah , and sabvoton 150a controller....
jon henry okay so basically i just need to upgrade my battery amps.. as long its under my sab controller 150a i should be okay right?? As long i run a 150amp battery or less ill be okay?
@@chevyssboy89 I have sag 150a check this link
I too am still building my bike.
endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=56378
Starting torque adjustment.
The throttle max volt should be set the same as the value which was inspected when the throttle was fully twisted after power on.
Improve the starting torque by reducing the value of “throttle middle volt” which is between “3.5V~2V”.And by raise the throttle middle phase current one can improve the starting torque as well.
-----1)For the controller with a limiting DC current is 60-80A,it is recommended to set the throttle middle phase current 60-120A.
-----2)For the controller with a limiting DC current is 80-100A,it is recommended to set the throttle middle phase current 80-150A.
-----3)For the controller with a limiting DC current is 100-150A,it is recommended to set the throttle middle phase current 80-200A.
The acceleration or deceleration time
The less the “acceleration time” or “deceleration time” is, the faster the throttle will response ,(It is forbidden that the time set over 2000ms); One could adjust the parameter to suit own driving habit
nice vid but you guys have your wires crossed... a higher turn count won't be more efficient (at least not by much) when climbing. KV/Turn count doens't actually effect the torque efficiency of the motor much, at best only a few % over a very wide range. Yes, you get more torque from the same controller/battery combo and settings, but you'll produce more heat in the process (in the higher turn count motor). you can get the same torque out of a lower turn count motor with more phase amps (though phase wires are limited in size through the axle so you'll have some higher losses there) - might mean a bigger controller but calling them 'high torque' and 'high speed' is a bit of a misnomer. Only caviate is that the copper fill needs to be the same for torque per heat to be the same.
yes, that's they theory on paper but do you see that in real circumstances they showed you that lower kv has better torque
If you have two bikes like in the video, the speed going up a hill at let's say 35kmh is closer to the max speed of the higher wound motor bringing the effiency up.
An electric motor is usually the most efficient at max speed or atleast 90% of the max speed. Bringing that top speed down means that you are closer to the top speed, bringing the effiency curve down so you'll constantly be in a higher part of the effiency curve regardless of speed. A higher wound motor is more efficient, but can't spin as fast.
@@minde28383 yes, more torque, like i said, but also like i said only with the production of more heat. That motor will over heat faster, because the only difference is the turn count. More turns mean thinner area of copper thus higher resistance, and thus more heat for the same phase amps.
@@94e88 that's not how it works, unless your always running at 100% throttle and unlimited phase amps. Which is basically never the case.
@@sn0wchyld well, I don't know what to tell you, that is how I have learnt it.
What the difference between a 2.5T motor and the 3.5T motor.
One
what voltage was your battery and the total wheel diameter as i want to run 72v and a 26" wheel. the 5T would have a higher top speed then
imagine your rear sprocket the bigger the higher top speed so the same with overall wheel diameter, small fast start big top speed. hope this helps.
🏆👈 Nice Vid !
I to są testy!
2:17 speed range of each turn
Jakie nawiniecie ma standardowy qs205?
standardowe występują w nawinięciach 3T, 4T, 5T i 6T
Cyklon Ebike powinien trochę popracować nad ramą, żeby była trochę ładniejsza, a nie tylko użyteczna. Zobaczcie jak wyglada nowy Sur-Ron. Poza tym nic wam nie brakuje 🙂
so if i want to go on highway with this bike i need 4T or less :D
Yeah, basically 😂
Moglibyście wrzucić relacje z jakiegoś konkretnego tripka jak to się sprawuje w terenie..
w wolnym czasie
jest juz tego troche na YT
table of windings is great, but i dont like test on road, you should "hire" for this test person who have the same weight as you
Agreed, should have done equal weights. But a more simple solution would be to add weight to the rider/bike of the more lite weight biker. I have a 5T motor currently and have just ordered a 3T motor, so will be doing a proper video comparison of the two with the most equal conditions I can muster.
@@jcreedy20 when i can see the video?
all is well. just think about what you see
@@jcreedy20 where is your video :) ?
дайте ссылку на заднее крыло пожалуйста!)
Bro what about a 2.5T motor
Ja już dłużej niż miesiąc nie mogę się zdecydować czy 4t czy 5t... 40% asfalt, 40% las, 20% górki, teren.
Actually the windings of the motors are meant for different voltages, not different speed/torque. 5t on the same Amps as a lower turn will generate more heat with the stronger acceleration, therefore it is meant for less amps and more Voltage, which will give the same kind of performance.
Great educational video on the topic: th-cam.com/video/c96n0Ma2rLY/w-d-xo.html
If designed to handle higher amperage, there is no problem running an equal amount of amps. One or a half turn doesn't really affect the impedance all that much, there is already so much wire in the motor. But it is measurable.
I have a 5t qs273 with sabvoton 200a and I am going so slow top end. your chart says 80kph which is like 50mph is that the best you can do? I have a huge battery with 450amp ant bms so that's not limiting it. I have flux weaking on like 50amp was thinking to go higher I need faster top end and dont want to change my motor unless I have to
Are you fat ?
What does 4t and 5t actually mean?
4 turns of copper I believe vs 5 turns when they built the motor or something like that
Incredible explanation! As 120kg man 24" rim what T would you recommend for the motor to stay as cool as possible? Ty!
Defo go for a 7T motor, It will top out at about 40 mph on a 72v pack, but it will give you the best low down torque and monster acceleration, and as such you will require less throttle to get you moving and will generate less heat, if you don't live in a hilly area or go off road very often then get a 5T motor as you could probably get away with it and with flux weakening you can hit just shy of 60 mph, but if you want to ride a 5T off road at your weight then do some cooling mods, ferro fluid and heatsinks, definitely! Or if you want to keep using the 7T motor for its torque to off road and go up hills but have higher top speed, then you could also run it at very high voltage, around 120 volts. But the higher voltage pack will likely be more expensive. Running a 7T motor at 120v will certainly get you to 60 mph with flux and you will also keep that brutal acceleration. The other option is to do what i did, I have 2 motors, a 5T and a 3T, i have them so the connectors are on the swing arm, so I can quickly unplug the motor and swap them round using a motorbike stand. That will give you best of both worlds also whilst being able to maintain a reasonable voltage pack size.
@@jcreedy20 you are the best!
@@jcreedy20 you have experience with 4t and 16 Inch ?
@@Uwe342 I don't I'm afraid. The smaller rim will allow for nice high torque though. I've only owned 3t and 5t personally and ridden on a friend's 7t.
@@jcreedy20 does the 3t have as little torque as everyone says?
The higher the t`s the more torque the lower the t`s the more speed
Do they sell these in the USA?
Not yet ..
Go buy it on Alibaba.com its cheaper
Did you see the mark on the sky ??? even in Poland the spraying the chemicals.
Do those spraying have the antidote?
how many volts?
I would think 72V
Can you remove the battery !?
Yes,with axe🤩
Chyba 5T jest najbardziej optymalny.
how much ? (euro )
Do your own research before you buy any of these. If battery / controller power isint an issue to you a 5t will not have any more torque than a 4 or even 3t motor... the efficiency is debatable depending on your application. 3t can also handle more power than 4 or 5
they showed you that 5t has better torque with the same amps. What else one needs to research.
Are you shipping to USA yet?
Not yet...probably soon
Fajny materiał, super że przerzuciłeś się na angielski, ale dalej Twoja widza w tamacie pojazdów i elektrycznych jest znikoma. Plus może pokaż coś innej firmy niż cyklon.
i serio, super że przerzuciłeś na angielski :D mama nadzieje że przyniesię to trochę wyświetleń xD
А ЧТО ЕСЛИ У МЕНЯ МОТОР 3.5T???
18/5000
нет ничего. так оно и есть
@@BearEbike ничего не понял но очень интересно 😀
Некоторые производители выпускают моторы 3,5Т, 4,5Т, 5,5Т. Эти моторы с обцией выбора лучшей эффективности. Чем мней обозначений перед "Т", тем высшая скорость, но в то же время худшее ускорение и эффэктивность.
@@mr_wrongway ВОТ теперь понял спасибо большое ЛАЙК
t=turns
Sama ramę da się u was nabyć
pewnie. znajdziesz ją u nas na sklepie
Just got the k5 8000w ebike from a speicist Jessie luo from China 🇨🇳 she pushes 77mph around 120 kh its a beast the k5 8000w ebike in a different world too what I just watched check my channel doing a video soon 🔜 on private roads k5 8000w mite hit 80mph plus ➕ around 120kh like Jessie said it wheels in the eco then std is a bit mad and she's goes too mark 9 power ⛮ which is insane for ele bike blows my surron black edition x 2022 just no chance but surron is better off road mite bac8000 and a lett 72v battery 🔋 but I'm from the UK 🇬🇧 so surron not aloud on the road or v5
Czemu nie po polsku
masz napisy :p po angielsku lepsze zasięgi, szczególnie na takich filmach :D
Jakoś nie widać tych zasięgów. Myśle ze ma to odwrotny efekt nie każdemu chce się czytać .
bo po polsu nagraliśmy już film o tym pół roku temu th-cam.com/video/vEEKetPcKmM/w-d-xo.html
CyklonEbike nie chodziło mi konkretnie o ten film tylko to ze od dłuższego czasu nagrywane filmy są po angielsku. Fajniej się oglądało jak było po polsku. To jest nie tylko moje zdanie . Natomiast Zdaje sobie sprawę że chodzi o przyszłych zagranicznych klientów waszego sklepu.
mnie też się nie podoba, że od dłuższego czasu nie po polsku
This video is misleading. 5T & 6T speed and torque drop off hard mid-range. You may be able to zip past traffic for 2 seconds but you're not overtaking cars or racing with these motors. 3.5T dusts any of the 4T / 5T / 6T motors after 20 km/h and keeps pulling, can overtake cars and is much faster. 5T / 6T stink after its reached its initial throttle. Also 5T/ 6T makes everyone who rides it use the throttle harder on the initial burst. This DRAINS the battery far more than the steady climb of the other versions. This video, while informative, skips these facts. If you're ONLY trail riding go 5T / 6T... if you're commuting or spending 30% time on roads, I'd say go 3.5T tbh.
there are videos to see 3.5t against 5t with the same performance and yes the 3.5 overtakes the 5t but only from about 50 kmh and not at 20
a np recenzja po polsku to co
Recenzja po polsku jest filmem po polsku
Nie umiecie mówić po polsku czy szpanujecie że kaleczycie po angielsku
CyklonEbike,
this shit is extremely over-priced !!
diy version minimum 3 times cheaper !!
Unsubscribe becouse I don't listen in Polish language. Bye!
you are great, and so wise! hihi
Can you do a bike build video ?