What did Maharshi mean by "What is Suffering? Who Suffers?" It's Deep What is Suffering? Isn't it an Illusion? Think deeply.... What is Suffering ? Just a by-product of taking Thoughts too seriously. Only Mind creates Suffering. Since we get identified with the mind, Suffering arises..... because thoughts are not within your control. Mind is suffering. Watch deeply, and Mind disappears, and so does the suffering. And Who suffers? Nobody. Can the Self really suffer? Can the Witness suffer? Suffering is only the result of getting identified with the Mind!!
It seems to show the greatness of Ramana for a master like Yoganada to humbly ask these questions. And it shows the greatness of Yogananda to show such pure humbleness.
Pain is Inevitable Suffering is optional Since we identify ourselves as this body that's why we suffer! Suffering is just bunch of thoughts arising in mind. If we think that we are not this body but the part of eternal truth then Suffering fades away. Bcoz the self CAN'T SUFFER, nobody in this world has power to make OUR SELF suffer. Also the video was really very nice👏 Keep up the good work 😍😇
@@piyushmor4145Long back I was suffering from various kind of physical & mental diseases(for 3 years). I tried all the therapies available in big city, but couldn't be cured. I had abandoned all medicines & was in naturopathy hospital but in vain. Then someone advised me to believe that I am fit & fine. I kept repeating it & found that, all my diseases were diminishing & slowly vanished. After 2 years I randomly attended a camp where the trainer said that, people below 45 yrs. of age can quit medicines for any kind of diseases if they follow this method. It was Vichaar aayaa mahatva nahi diya, vichaar gaya. I was stunned. That was the only principle unknowingly I was following. But he demanded that for this males should not waste semen too much. I also found this very important & necessary. It has been 24 years I rose up from the hospital bed. I suffered from all kind of major diseases due to my foolishness, but gained sense, laughed at them & cured them without talking any medicine or precautions. Also unwanted thoughts & feelings also vanish with this method. I will explain the principle as understood on my own. You are separate, different from body & mind. Suffering, pain is in body & mind, not in you. If we stop giving importance to it, do not react to it. We remain unchanging, unaffected witness to it. We stop worrying, or getting afraid of them, slowly it will vanish. Your very statement that Self can never suffer holds good, so I stopped caring for them. Because these shortcomings like giving them importance etc. only empower them. Do not give attention to them. Root cause of their occurrence I found was imbalance in our emotions or lapses in our behaviour(fear, worry, anger, frustration, tension, anxiety, sadness, etc.) We need to remain in equanimity, samta me rahiye. I am over 48 years & still conducting the same. First time ever someone asked or I wrote this.
@@beingself5333 Thank you so much for taking time to write this 🙏❤️ And your story inspired the hell out of me, Thank you so muchhh😊❤️ And you can truly become a Yogi amd attain self realization in this very lifetime🛐 But chant names of God continuosly bcoz if you didn't complete your journey on this earth in this lifetime then maybe by chanting continuosly his name you'll surely get human body in next birth and attain self realization and complete this journey on material world Chanting Lords Name is very important so chant HARE KRISHNA & BE HAPPY 😇🙏🫂
"They differ according to the temperaments of the individuals and according to the spiritual ripeness of their minds. There cannot be any instruction en masse.". Both Sri Vivekananda and Sri Yogananda were intellects who in their search were led to their gurus. They were on their own paths, hence their questions. There should not be any comparison between them and Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi. As Sri Anandamayima said of Bhagavan, Here is the sun, we are all the stars in the daytime.
Yes, surely there should not be any comparison between spiritual masters Bhagwan Sri Ramana was really Bhagwan. His words come from his own experience. But there are many pseudo monks, who are just "parrot-like" .....just repeating the scriptures. Sri Ramana never emphasized reading of scriptures, nor he emphasized of any particular religion He belonged to the Whole Existence, not to any particular religion or community Only pseudo monks are traditional, orthodox, and parrot-like
Thank You for sharing, brother. Just keep doing this, serious people on this path are few but are always looking for right information. You are doing good. God bless with You with all abundance in life. More righteous power to You. Om Namah Shivaya 🕉
Ishwara ( not God, which is an Abrahamic religious term and is not synonymous with Bhgvan, Ishwara, etc) does not ordain anything. Neither suffering nor pleasure. Law of karma which is part and parcel of Rta of the universe and its phalans cannot be changed. In the Vyavaharika realm, one has to be part of these laws. In the Paramarthika realm, the only reality, none is born or dies, there is no pleasure or suffering. Even Sri Ramana Rishi PHYSICALLY suffered from cancer at the end of his lifetime. Sri Ramakrishna suffered from throat cancer. All were enlightened beings.
Yes, true, How can God Ordain Something?? He's not a person, having will, likes/dislikes, etc. God is Not a Personality.... Yes, Sri Ramana and Ramakrishna suffered from cancer, yet they remain untouched.
@@TheSpiritualVoice For some people, God is a Personality. Also, a lot of sacred texts talk about the Grace of God, which is comming from God About the original comment, Ishwara is beyond karma, so he/she can overrule it. if karma were more powerful than Iswara, he/she wouldnt be Iswara
@@zotharr It's alright that many people believe in God with form, or as a personality. Some scriptures also say something like that But Sri Bhagwan was holier than any scripture, and of course, whatever he said, came from his own experience. In truth, God can't be limited to any name or form. God is Self (not ego) It's absolutely good if a seeker believes God with Form. This is path of Bhakti And a devotee surrendering to God is all that is needed. Isn't it so?
Paramahamsa could not have these questions as he was a Yogi par excellence. However he was very humble and excited to have darshan of Maharshi and admired the high spiritual stature of Bhagawan Ramana
If you think you are the body, there's no other way than suffering. If you enquire deeply, you will certainly find out that you are the witness- separate from body & mind. Would recommend you to watch this video first- th-cam.com/video/vgKnTAHJwBE/w-d-xo.html
when bhagavan had cancer, he insisted that the doctor not give anesthesia during the operation. he was witness to the operation, as a neutral observer, he had no feelings about it, and did not identify with the body, and did not experience suffering.
Everything is imaginary. “Any-Thing” is consciousness. The same consciousness that is conscious of it. All of reality is manifest like this. It is effortless. Supreme Consciousness is all things. God is all things. We have identified with a small part of an infinite entity. We are One. We are the All. This Moment is the the mind of God, and is eternal.
@@1776brando1 Why worry about such questions? There's no way to get answers for such questions - Like Why is this world? Why is there unconsciousness? Why this, why not that? All you have to do is to Remain in your true nature as much as possible. Enquire into your true nature, and be as such. 😊 Then all questions disappear, and there's eternal bliss. th-cam.com/video/vgKnTAHJwBE/w-d-xo.html
It means: When you suffer, you become humble, your ego diminishes Then you may become set on the Spiritual Path 99% of people come on the Spiritual Path after suffering Suffering is so meaningful It makes you realise how the world is, and then starts your search for Eternal Bliss!!! And yes, it's there. Hence, the suffering is the way for realisation of God. If there were no suffering, you would be tethered to the Mundane, and never search for God!!
@@TheSpiritualVoice yes. I think some may misunderstand Maharshi's words and think that suffering is virtuous or is the cause of Realization. But sometimes we don't awake from a nightmare until it becomes unbearable, and then once awake we feel the joy of knowing it was only a dream. So it is with suffering. When the soul is asleep, the ego is awake... when the soul is awake, the ego is asleep :)
Whenever I hear about this encounter i wonder why Sri yogananda had to pose this question. Wasn't he himself enlightened ? Or is there any difference in degree of knowledge eveb amkng such persons
Yes, I absolutely understand.... Yes, he may had experienced "samadhi" But he was not mature enough as an Enlightened Master, such as Sri Ramana Otherwise, it's really surprising that he should worry about world Suffering, even when this a merely a dream.
@@TheSpiritualVoice @The Spiritual Voice Yes it is indeed something baffling. Maybe there was some difference in their spiritual maturity or the path they had chosen. I have also heard about a similar encounter between Sri Narayana guru and Sri Ramana Maharshi,but in this case as opposed to Sri Yogananda's case, when they met it is said they only remained silent and nothing was uttered to each other. About the Swami, i always think why he couldn't get rid of his smoking habbit and the same about Sri Nisarga Dutta Maharaj. I don't think he was attached to the country in the sense a normal citizen does, but he may have wanted to do give back to the country and people who gave him the knowledge and opportunity to realise himself, as India and its people were suffering very much those times. Then again i have heard about the saying that when one has realised, whatever he does, there's no question of him ever falling down, but that's not the case of others.
Haha yaa 99% married couples live in suffering 😂😂 But even if Maharshi was married, there's no doubt that he would not have suffered 😄 After all, he was an Enlightened being😊 Right?
What did Maharshi mean by "What is Suffering? Who Suffers?"
It's Deep
What is Suffering? Isn't it an Illusion? Think deeply.... What is Suffering ? Just a by-product of taking Thoughts too seriously. Only Mind creates Suffering. Since we get identified with the mind, Suffering arises..... because thoughts are not within your control.
Mind is suffering.
Watch deeply, and Mind disappears, and so does the suffering.
And Who suffers?
Nobody. Can the Self really suffer?
Can the Witness suffer?
Suffering is only the result of getting identified with the Mind!!
Suffering is ignorance
There is no sufferer so no suffering
@@parthpawar the sufferer is the one thinking he suffers. We all do ....
You're angry with God because you assume God is all powerful and therefore all responsible but God is not all powerful.
"Misery" should be listed as a synonym for "serious," If that helps you understand what suffering is.
There’s one Zen master who said, that Ramana Maharshi
is the most enlightened person he ever met in his lifetime.
Really!! Yes, Maharshi was really great. His words always came from his experience :)
@@TheSpiritualVoice Some say he is son of Lord Shiva..Murugan
It seems to show the greatness of Ramana for a master like Yoganada to humbly ask these questions. And it shows the greatness of Yogananda to show such pure humbleness.
Yes, Truly 😊🕉️🙏🙏
Masters play
parts. Sri Sri Yogananda already knew the answers. So, by asking ..they…give us an opportunity to hear this masters answers….
cR Wright was asking not Yogananda
Wow! What a meeting. The angels must have been rejoicing
Yes 😊🕉️🙏🙏
Very true 👌🏼👌🏼🙏🏼
Pain is Inevitable
Suffering is optional
Since we identify ourselves as this body that's why we suffer!
Suffering is just bunch of thoughts arising in mind.
If we think that we are not this body but the part of eternal truth then Suffering fades away.
Bcoz the self CAN'T SUFFER, nobody in this world has power to make OUR SELF suffer.
Also the video was really very nice👏
Keep up the good work 😍😇
So True!!🙏🙏
And thank you so much 😊
With this perception not only suffering is rid but slowly even pain also vanishes. I have experienced it.
@@beingself5333 How Brooo????
Please tell me how did you do it?
@@piyushmor4145Long back I was suffering from various kind of physical & mental diseases(for 3 years). I tried all the therapies available in big city, but couldn't be cured. I had abandoned all medicines & was in naturopathy hospital but in vain. Then someone advised me to believe that I am fit & fine. I kept repeating it & found that, all my diseases were diminishing & slowly vanished. After 2 years I randomly attended a camp where the trainer said that, people below 45 yrs. of age can quit medicines for any kind of diseases if they follow this method. It was Vichaar aayaa mahatva nahi diya, vichaar gaya. I was stunned. That was the only principle unknowingly I was following. But he demanded that for this males should not waste semen too much. I also found this very important & necessary. It has been 24 years I rose up from the hospital bed. I suffered from all kind of major diseases due to my foolishness, but gained sense, laughed at them & cured them without talking any medicine or precautions. Also unwanted thoughts & feelings also vanish with this method. I will explain the principle as understood on my own. You are separate, different from body & mind. Suffering, pain is in body & mind, not in you. If we stop giving importance to it, do not react to it. We remain unchanging, unaffected witness to it. We stop worrying, or getting afraid of them, slowly it will vanish. Your very statement that Self can never suffer holds good, so I stopped caring for them. Because these shortcomings like giving them importance etc. only empower them. Do not give attention to them. Root cause of their occurrence I found was imbalance in our emotions or lapses in our behaviour(fear, worry, anger, frustration, tension, anxiety, sadness, etc.) We need to remain in equanimity, samta me rahiye. I am over 48 years & still conducting the same. First time ever someone asked or I wrote this.
@@beingself5333 Thank you so much for taking time to write this 🙏❤️
And your story inspired the hell out of me, Thank you so muchhh😊❤️
And you can truly become a Yogi amd attain self realization in this very lifetime🛐
But chant names of God continuosly bcoz if you didn't complete your journey on this earth in this lifetime then maybe by chanting continuosly his name you'll surely get human body in next birth and attain self realization and complete this journey on material world
Chanting Lords Name is very important so chant HARE KRISHNA & BE HAPPY 😇🙏🫂
"They differ according to the temperaments of the individuals and according to the spiritual ripeness of their minds. There cannot be any instruction en masse.".
Both Sri Vivekananda and Sri Yogananda were intellects who in their search were led to their gurus. They were on their own paths, hence their questions. There should not be any comparison between them and Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi. As Sri Anandamayima said of Bhagavan, Here is the sun, we are all the stars in the daytime.
Yes, surely there should not be any comparison between spiritual masters
Bhagwan Sri Ramana was really Bhagwan. His words come from his own experience.
But there are many pseudo monks, who are just "parrot-like" .....just repeating the scriptures.
Sri Ramana never emphasized reading of scriptures, nor he emphasized of any particular religion
He belonged to the Whole Existence, not to any particular religion or community
Only pseudo monks are traditional, orthodox, and parrot-like
@@TheSpiritualVoice in reality each and every atom is Bhagawan including you and me. The only difference is that we are ignorant of our true nature.
Yes😊🙏🙏
I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT THIS IS AN ACCURATE TRANSCRIPTION OF THEIR MEETING
Really!!!😊
Yaa, well this is taken from the book "Talks With Sri Ramana Maharshi"
Hope you liked that 😊🙏
Radha 🙏jai GURUDEV PARAMHANSA YOGANANDA babaji
Paramhamsa Yogananda was very enlightened soul. I am surprised to hear that he had asked such questions..
"very enlightened"?
Are there degrees of Enlightenment
And also,
Is there an "Enlightened Soul" different from another "Ignorant Soul"?
CRWright was asking
Thank You for sharing, brother. Just keep doing this, serious people on this path are few but are always looking for right information. You are doing good. God bless with You with all abundance in life. More righteous power to You. Om Namah Shivaya 🕉
Thank you so much for your kind words 😊🙏
Will surely keep it up😊
God bless you 😊🕉️🙏
Om Namah Shivaya🙏🙏
@@TheSpiritualVoice ❤ You're cordially welcome. Grateful to receive blessings from Your side. We can stay in touch
😊😊
Yes, surely😊
@@TheSpiritualVoice 😊😌❤
It's very nice, thank you for sharing it
So glad that you liked it 😊
Thank you too for supporting 🙏🙏
Arunachala Shiva!
Arunachal Shiva 🕉️🙏🙏🙏
DIVINE GRATITUDE
😊🙏🙏
The most awaited convo. Thanks for sharing. Ramanaanandamayi 😍
Ramanaanandmayi😍❤️🙏🙏
Ishwara ( not God, which is an Abrahamic religious term and is not synonymous with Bhgvan, Ishwara, etc) does not ordain anything. Neither suffering nor pleasure. Law of karma which is part and parcel of Rta of the universe and its phalans cannot be changed. In the Vyavaharika realm, one has to be part of these laws. In the Paramarthika realm, the only reality, none is born or dies, there is no pleasure or suffering. Even Sri Ramana Rishi PHYSICALLY suffered from cancer at the end of his lifetime. Sri Ramakrishna suffered from throat cancer. All were enlightened beings.
Yes, true, How can God Ordain Something?? He's not a person, having will, likes/dislikes, etc.
God is Not a Personality....
Yes, Sri Ramana and Ramakrishna suffered from cancer, yet they remain untouched.
@@TheSpiritualVoice For some people, God is a Personality. Also, a lot of sacred texts talk about the Grace of God, which is comming from God
About the original comment, Ishwara is beyond karma, so he/she can overrule it. if karma were more powerful than Iswara, he/she wouldnt be Iswara
@@zotharr It's alright that many people believe in God with form, or as a personality.
Some scriptures also say something like that
But Sri Bhagwan was holier than any scripture, and of course, whatever he said, came from his own experience.
In truth, God can't be limited to any name or form.
God is Self (not ego)
It's absolutely good if a seeker believes God with Form. This is path of Bhakti
And a devotee surrendering to God is all that is needed.
Isn't it so?
@@TheSpiritualVoice It is so. The form is for bhakta. But didn't Sri Ramana had devotion towards the Arunachala?
@@zotharr Yes, no doubt🙏
Thank you 🙏❤️🙏
Glad you liked that 😊🙏
Deep thanks for sharing such content to all 😊
So glad you liked the content 😊
Thank you too for supporting 🙏🙏🙏
❤️GURU RAMANAM❤️🙏🏼
Om Namo Bhagwate Sri Ramanaya 🕉️🙏🙏😊
Paramahamsa could not have these questions as he was a Yogi par excellence. However he was very humble and excited to have darshan of Maharshi and admired the high spiritual stature of Bhagawan Ramana
Now you can't believe that, that's not a question.
He actually asked these questions from Maharshi
।।ॐ॥ vande Raman Mahsshaye ch Yogananday.
🕉️🙏🙏🙏
Babaji Swami Babaji Swami Babaji Swami Babaji Swami
It is The Way
Yes, truly!!
Great work Aditya🌹
🙏🙏
😊🙏🙏
MAAYER ASHIM KRIPA❤ GURU KRIPA HI KEVALAM
🕉️🙏🙏
My sashtang नमस्कार at the lotus feet of Maharishi
Bhagwan 🙏🙏🙏
Suffering is not an illusion.
Either Realise Your True Self
Or Suffer
It's your choice
🪔🥗🥥Aham Brahmasmi💖🌟📿
Does the thing or person cause more suffering or lessen the suffering?
It's not a question of more or less suffering.
Only when you realise your true nature that you can get free from all Sufferings
The heart suffers.
Does heart say this?
Who is the questioner?
Who are You?
Realise Your True Self, then there's no suffering
What about physical suffering, the disease, the hardship?
If you think you are the body, there's no other way than suffering.
If you enquire deeply, you will certainly find out that you are the witness- separate from body & mind.
Would recommend you to watch this video first-
th-cam.com/video/vgKnTAHJwBE/w-d-xo.html
when bhagavan had cancer, he insisted that the doctor not give anesthesia during the operation.
he was witness to the operation, as a neutral observer, he had no feelings about it, and did not identify with the body, and did not experience suffering.
@@michaelgusovsky Yes, true 🙏
Bhagwan
Om Namo Bhagwate Sri Ramanaya🕉️🙏🙏
Everything is imaginary. “Any-Thing” is consciousness. The same consciousness that is conscious of it. All of reality is manifest like this. It is effortless. Supreme Consciousness is all things. God is all things.
We have identified with a small part of an infinite entity. We are One. We are the All.
This Moment is the the mind of God, and is eternal.
Yes, true🙏🙏🙏
From oneness comes duality from duality comes paradox. OM KLEEM
From mind/thoughts/illusion comes duality
From no-mind/awareness/dhyana/meditation comes Non-duality
@@TheSpiritualVoice that concept makes sense but what confuses me is how consciousness could stem from non consciousness
@@1776brando1 Why worry about such questions? There's no way to get answers for such questions - Like
Why is this world?
Why is there unconsciousness?
Why this, why not that?
All you have to do is to Remain in your true nature as much as possible.
Enquire into your true nature, and be as such. 😊
Then all questions disappear, and there's eternal bliss.
th-cam.com/video/vgKnTAHJwBE/w-d-xo.html
@@TheSpiritualVoice very valid point I think of ram dass when you say that when he says it’s almost trivial and academic to think those things
@@1776brando1 Ohh is that!!
Blessings 🙏🙏🕉️
Pain for physical body..
Suffering for mind..
Mental diarrhoea... Ego...
Soul is beyond...
Yes, So True🙏🙏
Ego is a disease!!!
Thanks but your reading is very bad. No clarity and subtitles are too quick.
Thanks for your feedback 🙏
Will surely try to improve in future🙏
"Suffering is the path to Realization." Easy enough,I suppose,but also depressing.
It means:
When you suffer, you become humble, your ego diminishes
Then you may become set on the Spiritual Path
99% of people come on the Spiritual Path after suffering
Suffering is so meaningful
It makes you realise how the world is, and then starts your search for Eternal Bliss!!! And yes, it's there.
Hence, the suffering is the way for realisation of God.
If there were no suffering, you would be tethered to the Mundane, and never search for God!!
@@TheSpiritualVoice yes. I think some may misunderstand Maharshi's words and think that suffering is virtuous or is the cause of Realization. But sometimes we don't awake from a nightmare until it becomes unbearable, and then once awake we feel the joy of knowing it was only a dream. So it is with suffering. When the soul is asleep, the ego is awake... when the soul is awake, the ego is asleep :)
Cosmic ☺️🤔
Yes😊🙏
Whenever I hear about this encounter i wonder why Sri yogananda had to pose this question. Wasn't he himself enlightened ? Or is there any difference in degree of knowledge eveb amkng such persons
Same here
Yes, I absolutely understand....
Yes, he may had experienced "samadhi"
But he was not mature enough as an Enlightened Master, such as Sri Ramana
Otherwise, it's really surprising that he should worry about world Suffering, even when this a merely a dream.
@@TheSpiritualVoice @The Spiritual Voice Yes it is indeed something baffling. Maybe there was some difference in their spiritual maturity or the path they had chosen. I have also heard about a similar encounter between Sri Narayana guru and Sri Ramana Maharshi,but in this case as opposed to Sri Yogananda's case, when they met it is said they only remained silent and nothing was uttered to each other. About the Swami, i always think why he couldn't get rid of his smoking habbit and the same about Sri Nisarga Dutta Maharaj. I don't think he was attached to the country in the sense a normal citizen does, but he may have wanted to do give back to the country and people who gave him the knowledge and opportunity to realise himself, as India and its people were suffering very much those times.
Then again i have heard about the saying that when one has realised, whatever he does, there's no question of him ever falling down, but that's not the case of others.
Wow!!!
Thanks for telling about the meeting of Sri Narayan Guru and Sri Ramana
Enlightened Masters meet like that only. They communicate in Silence :)
"Who" is enlightened? There is no enlightenment. There is no suffering. Just let go (vairagya) of these illusions.
What is suffering? Good for Maharishi he wasn’t married 😂😂
Haha yaa 99% married couples live in suffering 😂😂
But even if Maharshi was married, there's no doubt that he would not have suffered 😄
After all, he was an Enlightened being😊
Right?
That answer sucks
Realise Your True Self, and remain as such
Then there's no suffering
@@TheSpiritualVoice This reply sucks
Lame
What about the children in Gaza their suffering is too much
Because there is only God, you have to suffer until you don't realize IT.
That's it! 🪷🧘
Yess :)