Joel Guy Jr. Trial Day 3 - Defendant's Roommate Michael McCracken Testifies
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- NOTE: TN is a DP state, but DP is not being sought in this case.
Tennessee man Joel Michael Guy Jr., 32, stands trial in the horrific 2016 murders of his parents Joel Michael Guy, Sr., 61, and Lisa Guy, 55. The trial is scheduled to run Monday, September 28 to Friday, October 2, according to records. The Law&Crime Network will be live each day with coverage running from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. ET.
The defendant’s three sisters reportedly told authorities everything seemed okay when the family sat together for Thanksgiving in 2016. But just days after that final get-together, the Knox County Sheriff’s Office said Joel Guy Jr. murdered his parents in especially horrifying fashion. Both victims were stabbed and dismembered, their remains placed in different rooms of the house, deputies said.
Authorities suggested the murders happened sometime between Friday, November 25, or the middle of Saturday, November 26. Guy Jr. allegedly put his parents’ remains in “an acid based solution” to destroy evidence.
Investigators said that the defendant, who had been in living in Baton Rouge, Louisiana after reportedly withdrawing from Louisiana State University, returned home on the 27th after killing his parents. His parents were last seen alive on Friday the 25th.
Authorities say that Guy Jr. killed his parents after they told him they would no longer pay his bills.
Someone wants the possibility of the death penalty for this case. It’s not the prosecution. The defendant recently asked that he be allowed to represent himself in motions that request the judge and jury be allowed to consider capital punishment in the event of a conviction.
To be clear, the state is not pursuing the death penalty for him. The reason why is currently unclear.
“Ethical rules prohibit the District Attorney’s Office from commenting on pending cases,” said Sean McDermott, a spokesman for Knox County District Attorney General Charme Allen, said in an email to Knox News.
#JoelGuy #JoelGuyTrial #ThaanksgivingMurders
Roommate? Please. He's talking as if this guy is the love of his life. Mr McCracken is very lucky he's still in one piece.
Yeah no kidding!! Super lucky he’s in one piece.
@@Sweetie_PieLo It seems apparent McCracken never said no to Joel Michael Jr. You wouldn't want to say no to JMJ unless your fantasy is to be disarticulated.
His roommate doesn't look like he a great catch either. Hope he's counting his blessing that his boy friend didn't kill him too.
@@janetbenning2645 Mr McCracken could be a really decent guy who took pity on this misfit for all we know. I could be judging him too highly as well. I took note that Joel Michael Fuckwit said to him something along the lines of "I thought we could live a happy life after this" meaning they would have no cash issues and could do what they liked. Who knows what that might entail... Lay with dogs, pick up fleas eh.
Mc Cracken lol
The ONE guy who knew him the most of anyone...Michael McCracken...said, "I'm not surprised". God there's a whole world of a story within the walls of their old apartment!
Ain't that the TRUTH!
Sure thing
Yup!
Look at him he cant wait to see him lol
And yet he lived for years with him. So creepy
He has a boyfriend and i am single... i can no longer explain this
Just because some people settle for psychopaths doesn't mean you should lol. May good, non-psychotic things & people come your way!
Lmao same
@@bethoneybee that's a nice thing to say :)
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😂😂😂😂 right there with you.
I’ve never seen a judge who gets up and helps everyone so much. 👍
I really like this judge. I believe I have seen him during another trial but I am unable to remember which one.
I love how hands on he is
Kinda like our current president
@@michaelgonzalez5695 you’re joking, right?
Plus he is very coherent
Joel Jr can't look away from his handiwork when shown, but he has a hard time looking at his former roommate. So he CAN be ashamed. He CAN care. He CAN feel. He's not insane, he's just a greedy, lazy SOB.
bethoneybee he appeared to be clearly devastated by the testimony of his friend/partner. Especially given his demeanor in the rest of the trial.
Wow 😳 boyfriend's line job is going to be online.
@@haij16 line job? What is going to be online???
He watched him exit, even turned around in his chair to watch him leave the courtroom. He even said in the phonecall he was the only good thing in his life
Most likely his lover...sick!
I really really like this judge. He's so good at explaining and seems so caring.
I agree!! I like his voice too!
he a gay boy
And the prosecutor too. Very professional and patient.
@@tigerkitty3173 so?
@@tigerkitty3173 What has that got to do with ANYTHING??? Your comment is so stupid. I think he's terrific, the way he explains everything to the jury (and us). He translates all the "legalese" for everyone.
His mother worked that job at Jacobs not because she needed the money but to solely support this pos. I just cant stop shaking my head.. And i really like this judge.
His mother and my mother are both mothers ! Just saying..
Ditto in the judge.
Exactly! She basically signed her paychecks over to her dead beat son to pay all his bills, it’s really sad.
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Where did his mother work at? What is Jacob's? So thats why he lied about what she did
This is the only time I've seen Joel react with any kind of emotions. He turned to watch his friend come into the courtroom. He swallows hard, his breathing is a little deeper, his eyes start getting moist. His whole face and body language changes while he is on the stand. Then when he is finished testifying Joel watches him until he is out the door. They must have been extremely close.
Yeah it was like watching a different person to actually see emotion in his eyes. It appears that they had a secret romantic relationship or at least he was in love with him.
@Dee G totally agree. I think they know he is gay from things they found in his apartment and that’s what they said was inadmissible. They didn’t want this trial to be about his sexuality, which is good because I don’t think it was his motive. I do think if he or his lover were trying to hide their relationship and the fact that they were gay, it could explain his rage. Especially if his parents accused him of something that they found out or he blamed them somehow for his sexuality.
@Sunny McKenna Its obvious that McCracken was disgusted bud saddened by the crime
Extremely close, "in bed."
@@briarrose29 Narcissists and psychopaths do tend to have 'identity issues'.
Someone looks less cocky ever since their boyfriend took the stand!
@@ciricemiller6240 I would have loved to slap it off his face!
Sunny McKenna where did you see an article or whatever that he’s still getting the insurance money. That makes this even worse if that’s true 😳😠
@Summer MacManus & what kind of trouble do you think?
@@triplett9 I am not sure if Jr got any insurance payout; there is an ongoing court battle over that.
@@buyerbware25 Thank you. Crazy if he would still be able to get any of it. But our legal system is flawed so who knows 😞
Until this call, I thought he was a mute. Interesting.
He actually testified @ his hearing a couple years back, Im dying to watch it
Is that available to the public?
Rachbob87 I have just found small clips of it
@@Stacyleffingwellsimmons oo where
Let's get that face shield all polished up and sparkly!
squeaky clean
I think that face mask is so the jurors can see his expressions.
Betsy Burton 😂😂😂
Probably the only work he has ever done in his pathetic lazy life
Sure wish he’d wear the shield properly. I wouldn’t want to sit next to him if he sneezes or coughs.
The way Joel guy jr. was desperately trying to make eye contact with his former roommate as he left the room gave me the creeps.
He even said something under his breath... Kind of looked like an "I love you" 🤷🤔
@@melida20 not at all.
@@gregkis 🤣 I swear that's what I heard
@@melida20 I saw a mouthing that looked very much like I love you
37:15
So bizarre that his family knew nothing about the 10 year roommate and vice versa. Just shows how weird Joel was. But the roommate didn’t even know he had siblings? So bizarre.
Roommate? More like boyfriend
Least interesting thing about this trial.
@@drdata1967 it is interesting actually cause it shows that he wasn’t completely emotionless , he was able to feel emotions , he wasn’t a total recluse as he had this “friend “ ...
Imagine being intimate with someone who did the things that Joel did. Michael is lucky that Joel's obsession with him didn't take a turn for the worse.
I think he looks flushed when his “only friend” leaves the stand. Looks at him, follows him out of the room. Hoping for what? A smile? A peace sign? WTF!
He rubbed his hands together and mumbled something as he watched him walk out.
@@jillknosp6551 I wonder what he said
@Aloysius Redillas 37:16
He also was sitting with his back to the judge before the friend came in, and I was like “why is he sitting like that?” Then when the guy walked in I watched him, watch his friend walk all the way up to the stand. I had to rewatch it three times to make sure I seen what I seen. Creepy af.
I nearly died from shock when I saw Guy Jr smerk while the medical examiner was on the stand talking about the injuries, this sicko is proud of himself.
When the M.E said "I can hear you. I'm sorry. I just didnt want to cut you off." and he smiled...it was unbelievably chilling.
he was smiling for sure
..........The Beast........Within!!!!!
I have NEVER in my life seen someone so obsessed with cleaning a face shield. Man....you murdered your parents!!!! The cleanliness of your freaking face shield should be the least of your concerns! Praying for the rest of his family..
right like he was literally cutting up his parents and putting them in chemicals i doubt a few germs in a courtroom are gonna hurt him lol
He gave up on the carpet.
R S it’s a control thing
Snowflake Sue Ha ! Yes
It's probably just a mental distraction tactic. Like when you dont want to pay attention to something uncomfortable by twiddling your fingers, or running your fingers through your hair , your subconscious does these things to mentally escape
He’ll find a new boyfriend whee he’s going.
@Anne Arteaga yeah he will be a whole different guy there if they tear him apart in a million pieces! How horrible to think such things but those eyes were made for looking and those should be the last ones removed so he can see all they do to him like he did his parents! God please help us.
His eyes will really be bugging out! 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
I wonder if men write him in prison like other inmates get "fan mail"? Blah disgusting
@Anne Arteaga He’ll be “Hole Guy Jr.”
And the they will never leave him. Careful in the shower Joel. 🤣
The reaction from GUY, when the prosecution questioned the roommate on re-direct about his family supporting him and not 'abandoning' as the defense tried to make out...it was pure gold, what a horrible gremlin like little man, and am so glad the prosecution got to the point of it and then swiftly moved on to testimony that was actually relevant..
Sounds like Joel M Guy was in love with Michael McCracken.
Mmm hmm.... I think the 10 yrs he's been out of the picture was the 10yrs he was with McCracken... Maybe his parents didnt agree with that lifestyle so he alienated himself... But during the phone call, McCracken said im i going to be thrown out, and he said (joel) in so many words, that his mom paid the rent... Wow!!! so he actually had his mother taking care of him and his lover...
sure
@Jonathan Cairy "Fanny" in the UK means a ladies private parts not the bottom.
@@vavavoomsp1 there's no proof that his mom was covering it for them both. however it is very difficult to find a new roommate willing to move into a house that a killer lived in and most people can't cover another person's portion of the rent without massive financial difficultly. based off his job and degree I'd be willing to bet he covered his own portion.
@@CoAndCoLaptopAccount that’s his longtime boyfriend.
Decent looking, intelligent and highly successful.
A depraved murderer is ashamed of his sexuality? Joel is a foul little killer.
The most animated joel has ever been throughout the trial was when his ex "roommate " was on the stand and leaving the court room. He even turned his chair around.
Has anyone else noticed how crazy this cat’s eyes are??? Just like Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook), Megan Fieramusca (Heidi Broussard case), Letecia Stauch (Gannon Stauch case) & the Heaven’s Gate cult leader, Marshall Applewhite. All googly eyed!
And James Holmes (Batman movie massacre) I think they got possessed somehow.
Ya that "wild eye" look ....very creepy!
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I'm a firm believer the eyes lead to a person's soul.
Our eyes are actually an external apparatus of our brain, so you can see there’s something “disconnected” behind them.
The only time Joel ever shows any emotion is when Mr. McCracken leaves the courtroom. You can see Joel fighting back the tears.
37:12 - I caught that also. He also mouths something to himself as he watches him leave. Then spins around to try to catch a glance, say something, perhaps have eye contact? First moment showing there's actual emotion in him!
His palms are sweaty right before he mouths something to him. He said he's the only thing he'll ever miss. As he watches him leave, I bet he was thinking he could take it all back just to be with him again.
That's love
The guy probably had a psychological problem, any killer can be more or be more murderous than guy but that doesn't mean, that unlike guy, they would not try to defend themselves in court, stay at one place without talking about the matter. It seems like his problems may be related to his brain, considering how deformed his body looks.
"Can you add more minutes? Does this goblin ever stop asking for handouts.
Goblin made me cakle, such a perfect description 🤣
His lover would have been killed to if he left/crossed him
*too
Yeah if he found out his bf had a insurance policy
Idk he seemed to actually have a use for his boyfriend according to his jail phone call he had with him. I don’t know if he can care about people, but his “roommate“ seems like the closest Joel Jr has gotten to it.
He was planning on doing this well before Thanksgiving. HE IS ONE that thinks he is entitled to what he wants. Sorry for the girls and rest of their family. May God wrap his arms around them and comfort them and give them peace of mind during this trying time.
Yes, in other words, he is a narcissist
Yes he is.
still thinking about god. amazing
Amen
There is no god...
I don’t think the jury will be deliberating for long.
Ms Chris T 😂
Ikr......they walk into their room, go to sitdown but their butts dont make it quite to the seats and they say GUILTY
I cant work out what the defence is here AT ALL! Why bring this to trial even, its so open and shut you'd think.
aye70aye Really, what possible defense could someone have for boiling their mother’s head et al?
@@marideathydeelz914 idk I guess they can argue that he didn’t do it or that he was provoked. They know they are grasping at straws, but unfortunately he is required to have a defense team so they have to defend him regardless.
The presence of this roommate seems to make him sad
Phil definitely affects him in a very profound way.
He was in love with him.
@@deborah2063 lol, i see what you did there!😉
T J or that he loved him as a friend.
It sounds like he loved his friend very much. Weather it was just love between two friends and I certainly have friends that I love and would grieve over in a similar situation. Maybe they are more than that and actually in love, but it sounds like they had a significant relationship. Weirdly, I hope is friend doesn’t cut him out of his life. Even psychotic murderers deserve to have a friend.
The freak's ex boyfriend seems a really nice guy - intelligent, thoughtful and sensitive. He was clearly always WAY too good for that creep. And boy did he have a lucky escape!
How do these crazies think they can murder their 'loved ones' and no one will suspect them - they are always the first person the family suspects, 'cos they're so damned weird!
I think about you all the time. Not hard to come a conclusion what kind of friends they were and are.
Shus, leave them alone!!!😂
The only time I’ve ever seen any emotion from this crazy dude is when he sees’s his boyfriend .
@Joe 1 Looks like it
Joey can care less about this court hearing. The only thing is still worrying about is the money. What a vile monster.
Everyone dealing with this case must be traumatised , wow. 🤢🤢🤢
I think the same. Imagine being in the court room and having to see every single picture shown? I mean.. wow. How can you do this to your parents? Your loving parents... supported you and wanted to live life well, retire and definitely while you should be on your own. Makes me so sad.. money can be a disgusting thing... man!
Except himself. He couldn't even traumatize himself like Chris Watts did. Now that's bad.
Especially the person that opened the stock pot
@@douglasvilledarling2935 👩🏼🍲
One of the saddest things I've ever seen was a portion of an interview with Darlie Routier (a woman, in the 90s, in Texas I believe, that stabbed and killed her sons, both under the age of 7...in case you didnt know). One of the 1st responding police officers was a part of the interview and he's recalling the moment when he walked in and saw the scene. He's talking about seeing one of her sons struggling to breathe and bleeding to death and the look on his face makes my heart ache. That man was truly traumatized but what he saw. It's absolutely gut wrenching.
Wow this case is sick. I look at Joel and he looks like any average person you see at Walmart minus the beaddy batshit crazy eyes!
He doesn't look normal to me
Yep
i don’t ever wanna go to the walmarts you go to.
@@alexandervelez9507 ditto
Can we get this judge on Supreme court? It would be nice to have someone practical and non divisive.
I just can’t get over that they literally paid his way his entire life... his mom literally loved this kid so much, worked for nothing other than to take care of this spoiled brat! Went to Walmart and bought her brat of a son snacks and ice cream.. all while she awaited her unknown demise. Lisa and Joel SR paid his gas to get to their house for thanksgiving, including the vehicle he drives in. Then they paid for the items he used to literally kill them, including every last item needed for the clean up and disposal of the bodies.. then they paid for items to help the spoiled brat clean his wounds up. He went to the same Walmart his mother was just at before he murdered her. I just keep thinking about the video of her walking out of Walmart, thinking about her drive home, her pulling into their driveway... walking in, and Joel possibly acting like he needed her upstairs- yelling down to her. As always, mommy was right there. He attacked his father while he was exercising. And last but not least, all I can think about is that both of their last thoughts and sights, were of their CHILD... whom they made and brought into this world, and now is the one taking them out of it, MURDERING them. I cannot imagine his mother’s thoughts. Her baby boy stabbing her to death... probably begging him to stop.... i don’t even know these people and this is extremely heart wrenching. The prosecution is absolutely amazing. That special agent is a little odd lol
I agree with you 100% I was also thinking of how his half sister's loved their parents so much more than Joel Jr obviously did. He is more than monster...
He is loving being able to Relive all this. He seems so proud of his 'handywork' PoS
Those are my thoughts too! He seems pretty proud of himself and his ‘handiwork’! What was the most distraught part for me, when the Dr was showing the pictures of his mother’s body (what was left of it) he re-adjusted ‘something’ in his pants where his hands had been. I am feeling sick of even having my head go where it did! Also, when she said that his mom was dismembered at the knees, I was wondering if that was so that he had better access. Not sure if there are any evidence of her having been sexually assaulted too, but I would not put that past this very distraught piece of a human being! He has NO soul and clearly deriving pleasure by reliving it all during the trial. Sick!! Sick!! Sick!! He is very aware of what he planned and his execution of it! Both parents put up a fight for their lives. He did not do this only for the money! He would murder again. Falling asleep during the trial, and yawning! Disgusting!!
I got that impression too
Pure Grace yeah you hit the nail on the head there. Agree
@@puregrace-anna555 Where in the video did the Dr show pictures of his mother’s body (what was left of it)? Many thanks.
He acts like he doesnt have time to be there. Like he has ,better things to do and is very bored lol. Wtf
Why he speaking to his friend like they were more than just friends 🤔🤭🤫 Liking this Judge he has an Awesome Personality 👍🏿 need more like him🤩
Rita Miller was wondering the same thing
@SafaRee_23 leave your homofobia at home
Friends & roommates for 10 years that's longer than most relationships ... Both have ticks , the defendant doesn't look like a fun roommate.
Because it’s obvious he did
I don’t think they were dating, they lived together but wouldn’t see one another for days?
I think perhaps he had feelings for his friend, but I don’t know if it was reciprocated.
Either way, his friend is better off without this loser in his life. Seems weird he could tolerate a loser like him when he was obviously so hard working
They were definitely in a relationship. Just from what I got from the phone call. Just my opinion.
and? Does that change anything? Your world view, maybe?
@@sorousse no...but maybe a possibility why he killed his parents? Maybe they didn't accept it?
So Rousse jc 🙄
@Victoria James did I say he was right to mooch off his family? Especially at his age?? You are the one effed up judging people. I am not a libtard...pendeja.
That's a lovers call!
Omg look at him cleaning that shield 🤦♀️
Like it was glasses 😂😂😂😂
That was so disturbing
Creepy but thorough, unlike his crime scene!
He's so strange!
Seems like he could do anything and you would be like omg look at him sitting there😂😂 you people are stupid af
How did he just sit across from his whole family at thanksgiving dinner and see them so happy together, and still proceed to do this?! What a lunatic.
Roommates 😂😂😂 ok if you say so.
bum buddies
, He’s going to be comfy in prison. He will have lots of bum buddies but they won’t treat him as well as his parents did. It’s going to be a rude awakening 😲
You guys are terrible to suggest that these two lovebirds 🤣 were... I can’t say it, I just can’t!
@@stevelytton fanny bandits
Mr Wdpkr 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
They were obviously lovers. It is the only time that his face went red and he seemed upset. Yet, the photos ect he just has no emotion.
they definitely were he turned around to watch him leave the courtroom.
It is the only time he has shown emotion at all. He obviously still loves his boyfriend
At the beginning of the call he called him honey. Obviously lovers.
@@mattmayerhofer3432 at 37:00 not only does Guy watch him even exit the room (he turns completely around in his chair), but he "mouths" something ~~ the something that it appears that Guy "mouths" is *I LOVE YOU*
So.... yeah.......
Besides, Guy says the *only* thing he 'misses" is him.....
Uhhhhhhhh
It is not all that "bold" of an assumption, Matt.
EarthChickadee I’ve watched where you say he mouths something so many times, I truly struggle to understand how you came to that conclusion, he barley opens or moves his mouth
I would be scared to be in the same room as him. He literally looks like a creepy person to be by
He looks like the type to steal your dirty laundry
So he attended a school for exceptional students aka smart kids. Clearly the old saying between being a genius and a psychopath is true.
I think he was studying to be a plastic surgeon. Heard that somewhere
@@spicher08 who was studying to be a plastic surgeon? JG,or his friend?
He seems like an idiot to me.
What saying is that?
@@sarahdixon6011 that's what I was wondering. This comment doesn't even make sense
Joel's facial expressions are so creepy and weird
Yet you can't stop looking
I don't understand why Guy is aloud to sit there all suited up without handcuffs? He's killed two people, cut them up and boiled his mums head. He's a very dangerous monster, there isn't even officers sat next to him there treating him like he's done nothing wrong. . I just don't get it.
Maybe because they don't expect him to just randomly attack other people from uncontrollable anger, like some people are prone to do. I would NOT want to be in the same room with him even, but not from fear of an attack, just from disgust. Hope he rots in prison for what he did.
Gosh I'm thinking the same thing. Watching from South Africa and so shocked how he is treated as a normal human being when he is a vile murderer.
It’s because technically he is innocent till proven guilty. It could sway the jury to see him with cuffs and chains on. You will notice once someone is found guilty then they get cuffed up.
Due process
@@sunflower260285 he isnt anything till the jury decides, having him dressed in prison clothes sends the message hes already guilty.
didn´t understand a word from the telephone call :(
Since it's being played in court what we're hearing is a recording of a recording. It sounds even more distorted then what they are hearing.
They record those jail calls through a tin can. So frustrating
Turn on closed captions it helped alot
ik I'm disappointed , but that can you add minutes came out pretty clear, and you were the only good thing in my life, even though he had wonderful parents he did not appreciate them
Hearing this phone call is the ONLY time I've felt any sort of actual human feelings about this monster.
Thank you Prosecutor and judge. His attorney definitely set that up to make jurors feel sorry for this killer.
Love how the prosecution tells the witnesses to speak up, etc. yet she sits at her desk and can hardly hear her.
I thought the same thing Jennifer Ellis
I can really appreciate this amazing, fair judge. He is really smart. Considering these circumstances, he has to be mind blown himself, that one man could or would cause so much agony on so many people. These police officers and crime processing people have to be traumatized as well.
Yes, whoever viewed those bodies at the house must be suffering trauma.
Chandler Handleson
“ hold my beer”
Just checking to see if I got this right... his parents worked to take care of him and all his wants and needs. He kills his parents and NOW the tax payers will be picking up the tab for his support. Is it just me or does that sound so messed up? The taxpayers shouldn’t have to support these murderers! There needs to be swift and just punishment for this kind of absurdity! And at very little expense I might add. 🤦♀️😤😡🤬
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He has requested the death penalty but they said no.
Since the medical industry likes to price gauge It is probably cheaper to keep him alive for a lifetime then to give him a simple injection. Money 💰 has to be the real reason they hardly ever put people to death even after conviction.
It’s true that it costs far more to give the death penalty than life in prison with no chance of parole.
@@anitaswigart2166 bullets are cheap
Slip of the tongue “you got back together”. Why are they hiding the relationship aspect? Wouldn’t it make him more sympathetic to show he had a good relationship?
He’s a sick f.... good relationship? The pray should praise the lord it wasn’t him cut up in pieces
The boyfriend
@@aronaron3650 oh I agree completely. But from a defense perspective, it could have made him someone more ‘human’. But yeah, he is completely insane.
20:23 "YOU GOT BACK TOGETHER"..... 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤫🤫🤫
Someone spilled the beans
Lol I caught that too 🤣😂
he’s enjoying all the attention !!! And one day he was a baby.. unbelievable and terrifying
a baby only his mother could love no doubt
Roommate? Come on. Thats his lover. Hello ?
How perfect the roommate's name is McCracken? If only his first name was Phil...
@@Jay5-0 😂😂
I looked like his life flashed before his eyes when the DNA woman started saying that his DNA was found on the evidence. He knew he was done. How could a child kill their parents just because they want you to go get a job at 27? I can’t stand the way he drinks water, who does that
This judge would be my number 1 pick for the Supreme Court.
I’m sorry but this doesn’t sound like his “friend” it sounds like his lover, am I correct?
I think you are. Only time he showed a slither of emotion.
Or someone he wishes was a lover. It sounds more to me like a friendship were one participant of said friendship fell in love with the other. That started this very disturbing obsession. Maybe thats why the roommate moved away almost a year before this happened. Maybe thats why the roommate started slowing down communications
I don’t think his best friend/former roommate was entirely truthful. Funny how his memory blanks when asked certain questions. I.e. why did Joel tell him that his mother was an optometrist when she wasn’t.
I bet Joel fell apart in 2015 once Michael moved away for his post-doc and new job leaving him on his own. In desperation and with less than a sound mind, he hatched a very ill-conceived plan to become financially independent which would allow him more freedom to follow his roommate who was many miles away.
For whatever reason, he is unable to function well in society with others. I wonder what that’s all about. He may be good in Math and sciences, working with formulas and equations but his critical thinking is stunted if you ask me.
Oh that was NOT just a roommate. That was a lover. You don’t talk to a person that is “just” a roommate like that. That may be the only time I saw an emotion other than him stopping his smile when the prosecutor gave her opening statement and she said “diabolical stew” of his parents bodies. Maybe that “roommate” is going to send him commissary money for the rest of his miserable life in prison.
Yep. Rump Rangers.
@@ChrisPBacon-vk7sjHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
@@ChrisPBacon-vk7sj😂😂😂
Maybe you should read more before making up stuff based on your epic intuition
just imagine the mom who loved her step daughters like her own daughters that they cannot stop crying n thinking of her how much love the mom could’ve given to her own son n look what he had done to them??!
It's so strange to look at this man who is truly a physco who literally killed and cut up his parents. It must be creepy to even be in the same room with him. He has been emotionless through the whole try so far...even during horrible testimony of the crime seen. Unreal
I swear it looks like he’s holding in smiles the entire time
I definitely agree hes holding in inappropriate smiles and laugh. That could ba part of his psychopathic behavior.
Right! If he was innocent, this would all be extremely distressing and disturbing to him.
Wonder if his parents took him for therapy!??? They must have known
I think they knew and that was the rift
This dude reminds me of someone who would be at the foot of your bed, staring at you while you sleep. Freakin' crazy.....batshit crazy.
And stealing your dirty under things
Only time he’s looked upset is when his “friend” was on the stand.... he even watched him leave.
The most emotion he showed the whole time was when his "roommate" was on the stand. And even then, it wasn't much.
What was he thinking? Did he really thought he was really going to get away with it? Writing everything down on a notebook will help him have an organized crime? Self checkout at the stores will help him not get tracked down? Like seriously how stupid this guy is?..😒🤔🧐🤨🤦
Really feels like he wanted his 15 minutes of fame. Personally I honestly even feel conflicted even watching these because it feels like I'm giving him what he wants
@bubblebear83 Yes, he only failed to get his murder notes notarized, and he forgot to video himself committing the crimes. Otherwise, perfect planning.
The whole thing seems like he made it too obvious that he killed them & made it obvious intentionally. I'm starting to wonder if he didn't want to ensure he'd be caught & sentenced to death. He's not stupid enough to think the sloppy job he did would help him get away with it. Literally everything he did was only half done or done in an exagerated way. For example, cleaning up afterward. He took precautions to put plastic sheets down but didn't bother disposing of things. He turned the heat up to rapidly decompose the body parts but should have expected there'd be every chance someone could come to the house before that happened. The biggest thing is cooking his mother's head. That's right out of movies, what would it have accomplished other than making him look so horrible he's irredeemable?
@bubblebear83 Yes.
@@noonespecial9233 you are probably right. In the Anthony trial for kept wondering what her defense could possibly be. She didn't care. This dude.. is a whole other level.
The Dog must have been howling non stop when mom came in. She threw the bags down to run up the stairs and see why the dog was extremely distressed. Then seeing her blood soaked crazed son coming at her. Horrible. just my thoughts on this.
No, she was attacked as soon as she walked in the door
@@pauljuliano6676 I didn’t see a bloodbath in the front vestibule! No 🩸 there!…🤷🏼♀️,..I don’t know!…✌🏼🇨🇦
@@pauljuliano6676 I don't think she was attacked as soon as she walked in the door, and I agree with @jerseygirlinflorida 's assessment. There was blood upstairs in the hallway, right at the top of the stairs. She likely dropped the groceries because the dog was howling, and ran up the stairs, with either the monster of a son running up after her or he was laying in wait at the top of the stairs just out of view.
I saw other crime scene photos in another video. He definitely attacked her at the top of the stairs.
Poor doggy. I hope one of the sisters adopted the parents' dog.
@@pauljuliano6676 yep 👍
@@pauljuliano6676 negative pay attention the the evidence and the blood found in this house
That's creepy how he watched that dude enter the court room.
Def his lover boi
Boy he's not obvious about that Michael dude. Good grief
And leave the courtroom
Right that was weird even his Attorney looked like wow
the jury probably already see this looney guy a killer
Weird!
So him and John knew each other for 10 years, were room mates &&& he didn't know he had sisters???
I mean does he look like the type of guy to talk about his loving family?
His 1/2 sister said that he always stayed in his room when there was family get togethers. Came out to eat and wasn't social. This was planned. Why are we wasting all this $ and time when he is guilty. Slam duck as far as I can tell. This is probably the most attention he has ever gotten and for all the wrong reasons. Such a POS!!
@@cyndee3855 Maybe beacuse everybody has a right to a fair trial. Even if it's clear they are guilty.
@@junglekimmy3611 👍👍
@@junglekimmy3611 I know that everyone does. That this is the law. 👍 But it's a still a shame
a very unhinged individual ..creeps me out! during the forensic pathologist giving evidence of the parents dismemberment and detailed info he showed no emotion and attentivley watched his handywork with the pictures being showed to the court ...
I see that too..yes he's proud of it the creep
The only interest I saw was when he turned his chair completely around to watch his friend leave the room.
@@davidhaney1394 i said. you can tell by his facial expressions he has no remorse! and actually i am psychic :)
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This judge is really a smart person and on top of everything in his court room, really enjoyed the way he operated
I knew that his dad fought for his life. It's absolutely awful they had to take fingernail clippings off of his severed hands. This "man" is so disgusting, vile and evil I just pray his poor sisters and the rest of his family are able to breathe a sigh of relief. I know their 💜s will always have a huge crack in them but hopefully after this being done they can try to move forward. 😭💔
Agree, think that's where he got all those bruises and got punched in the face. When arrested his left side of face was swollen. His dad must have given him a run for his money, which means he knew his son was trying to kill him. 🤨
Did anyone else notice how Joel watched his roommate the entire time he was on his way out of the courtroom? The way they spoke on the phone, it was like they were moreso lovers than "roommates". It's really not that hard to come to that conclusion!!
Yeah, you all keep commenting the same thing 50,000 times. Yes, WE ALL NOTICED.
Definitely, “you are going to meet somebody” and “I’ll only be an albatross around your neck now.” There was a much deeper relationship happening in that apartment other than roommates. Maybe, mom and dad were figuring that out and decided to not fund their little “love shack”?
He was obviously a homosexual
He is going to do well in prison...
Very well....
OMG his roommate must be in hiding.. can you imagine the stick he's getting for being with freakoid?
This crazy person couldn’t have been too smart because he committed the messiest crime. If he went to a school for exceptional students, I’m questioning what their definition of “exceptional” happens to be 👀
Im glad hes so fkn lazy he will not get away w this..disgusting entitled sociopath..i got tired of them sayiny he was intelligent also..
He was intelligent enough to have it probably near exactly as he wished, sloppy. He’s not the on the run type, he needs protecting like a vulnerable baby. His folk cut him off so he cut them up and now the government have adopted him.
He wanted to shock and hurt as many as possible, and take the blame. He’s clever in his bulge’y eyes. His soul just needed to let go and embrace the blessings he did have, he must’ve been a tortured soul to feel so crappy to see this as the best way. Maybe he wants to die in a gruesome manor in return for his sins & wanted everybody to condemn him publicly. Sorry state of affairs, I hope Deep down he’d do things differently if he could turn back the clock.
Jak Dawl I agree for the most part, but this guy has no conscience. If he did he would have pled guilty and saved everyone from this horror show. I don’t believe he’s the least bit sorry. If anything, he’s going back over and over again where he made his mistakes and how he’d fix them if he had it to do over again.
Also, IMO, he chose to isolate himself from family and others. He built up hatred for his parents in his mind only. His folks, especially his mom, must have been extremely generous to him, yet he doesn’t see it that way. He’s greedy. The prospect of actually having to work and take care of himself, which most adults take pride in, appalled him. I mean how dare they do that to him...?
He was either interrupted and didn't finish or the timer didn't work. His plan was to set a timer to go off and explode the house on Sunday I believe it was. It didn't work.
Their definition is how much $$$ they are getting paid for the student
Is it safe to say that all of the evidence points to the son, but he wants a jury trial just to relive his crime and torture his family members?
Yes, sometimes it is hard for me to know if he is awake or taking a nap, but sure was WIDE awake looking at the pics of his parents bodies.
Anyone else get the sense that joel and his friend were more than just friends? Those werent the type of things you would say to a room mate or even a old friend.
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean anything, about anything. His Dad was still supporting him!…This wasn’t about gayness, or straightness, this was about 💰 💰 💰…& greed! That’s it!…🤷🏼♀️..These kinds of “exceptional kids usually have exceptional emotional issues, so where was the school on this? ✌🏼🇨🇦
@@midnightrun2764 I'm well aware it wasnt about his sexuality but he did spend money to live with him. That money was coming from his parents pocket.... and they were going to cut him off and therefore, maybe he felt like he was gonna be left with nothing. No place to live, and no boyfriend. He didnt want to get a job. He has obvious mental health problems of some sort of course. So does 99 percent of murderers. i do think there is a little bit of a motive for his boyfriend, because of the financial situation. and in part, his decision to kill his parents.
@@krabbesign You’re right! I think that makes the most sense! So ridiculous! I just wish people would get excited, about getting out there, & providing for themselves!..🤷🏼♀️…✌🏼🇨🇦
I’m still trying to understand why? Why did he kill his parents in the horrific manner he did despite his mother caring for him. He may be a psychopath but there are so many unanswered questions. Did his family suspect something? It just goes beyond comprehension especially to kill the very person who gave birth and provided for you.
The way he watched his old roommate walk out of the courtroom, even spinning himself in the chair for one final glimpse... Just weird.
I’m late watching this trial, but dang... how can anyone go so long without blinking??? He was making my eyes water!!
Dämonisch besetzt.
Omg... did I see a glimpse of emotion when phone call to his roommate 🧐🤔
WEAK defence trying to make out his family abandoned him.
Good prosecutors sort to expel that 👍🏽
Yeah like that could remotely justify slaughtering his parents.
I am glad that the lady stuck up for the family.Good for her.They didn’t need dragging through the mud
The phone conversation reminds me of a conversation between Beavis and Butthead.
He kill is one parents and dismembered the body,and in court is like nothing happens insane.😱
Seeing him cleaning that shield makes me think of him dismember and cleaning up his parents bodys
Another professional student! OMG!
Poor attorney, his wife made him a mask from a tootsie roll pop wrapper.
Girl are u serious, lol, that's a university of tennessee mask 🤣
Lmfao I think he got a kids mask by accident.
What he did was obviously not ok but this video does shed some light onto what was going on even more than what we already know (that his parents wanted him to stand on his own two feet, they were retiring). But the fact that his room mate and good friend who he knew for so long didn't even know he had sisters and that he went to a boarding school, seems very odd. He somehow felt abandoned in the family otherwise this wouldn't have been going on. And psychologists should rip this entire thing apart because it's important to observe, learn from and note. Again, what was done to has parents, not ok, but there's some underlying reasons and dysfunctional interaction between him and the family that obviously needed to be addressed long ago.
No.
@@BlowinFree Si mijo
@@tickytocky5448 silly liberal
@@BlowinFree edgy
@@zachmarkham84 no really, just a realist who holds people accountable for their actions and not give them a free pass because mummy didn’t give them enough hugs,
With that suit blank stare and ridiculous face shield a new meme is about to be born.
Bahahahahah so true!
How does one cope with knowing your roommate did something like this?
That’s his long time for partner
This guy is so lucky to not be near Jr.
The whole case is just surreal. How can someone do this to another human being is beyound my understanding. Evil little man.
You kinda feel badly for his lawyers....like what else could they Possibly argue...?
It seems like trying to get his roommate/lover to say who initiated & upheld the distanced relationship is inappropriate; it’s hearsay & htf would he know oneway or the other?
Are his lawyers public defenders? If not qho is paying for them? He definitely shouldn't have access to parents money.
His eyes are freaking haunting.
At first I was thinking why is he tracking his roommate as he enters the court room, thinking he might be trying to intimidate him.
But it seems like he genuinely cared/cares about his roommate. What a mind bender to see him there. So he was clearly Capable of at least somewhat normal, reciprocal friendships.
He knew it was the last time he was ever going to see him in person. Sad.
Not excusing this monster, but I feel like there was way more going on in his family than we know about.
Actually you are excusing him
It can probably be so. We never know how anybody has it. But that's no excuse for what he did and how far he took it.
Was there "something going on" with the dog too?
@@robingagan6288 Not what I know
@@junglekimmy3611 because he had planned to kill the dog too