Marcus Aurelius literally changed my life, his book the meditations will give you a fresh new outlook on life and how to deal with the ups and downs we experience during our life's " we suffer more in imagination then we do in reality "
That's why when your so drunk u can't think u reach zen. Or other drugs or meditation. We are built to find problems and fix them not be in bliss with no meaning
"we suffer more in imagination then we do in reality" sounds pretty, but some (many? most?) suffer more in reality than they do in imagination, that's just a fact.
@@robertvose7540 Not really, what is the imagination/though process/mental state of one going through intense suffering in real life? It's even worse than most regular people going through a bad time. That quote isn't one of convenience, it's one of causality.
I suffered from anxiety for a lot of my adult life. It basically robbed me of my late 20s. Meditations doesn’t give you some cure for anxiety, but the courage to look it in the face and not run away. Once that clicked in my head, everything changed. It should be required reading for every person on the planet.
Im sorry JD... One upon a time Good men (old school) would instill this philosophy into their sons.. Im not sure what happened..i was fortunate... i had no idea the outlook and practices ()i dont think my father did either) had an official name...not un til i got much older ...just thought it was generational wisdom....pass it forward my friend
JESUS healed me from the terror in my soul and shame. Read the Bible and about JESUS. The great reset is here or soon. m.th-cam.com/video/ygaxC7hLp2E/w-d-xo.html
Haha, that is a cure. People are anxious because of the unknown. If you get the courage to just face things, instead of running away, you won't be anxious anymore.
Marcus Aurelius changed my life "There is nothing of material or physical that is worthy of pursuit that will bring true happiness " Made me realise why is all that so many do is pursue goals that ultimately do little to bring calm to their mind.
The goal must go but it's hard to do because were dopamine reward seeking addicted animal's swapping one addiction/goal for an other one can't escape the realm of desire goal seeking because that's all we seem to be.
Here's one of my favorites from Marcus Aurelius: "When you arise in the morning, think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love."
but we don't know what happens after death.. There is either nothing after death, then there is no "you" anymore that can care about being alive, think,love,... or there is another life which is better or worse than this life. In conclusion, it is a rash judgment to say its a privilege to be alive.
@@Scout887 he actually entertains that idea just as much. He routinely wrote down how our short lives ultimately don't matter, how we're just going to fade away like all those before us no matter how powerful or popular we once were. Gotta remember this was a journal where he applied more basic philosophical concepts to his daily life throughout. That's what makes it so interesting.
Some of my favorite quotes from ancient philosophers are: "The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." - Marcus Aurelius "Do not indulge in dreams of having what you have not, but reckon up the chief of the blessings you do possess, and then thankfully remember how you would crave for them, if they were not yours." - Marcus Aurelius "When you arise in the morning, think of how much of a privilege it is to be alive, to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." - Marcus Aurelius "Don't grieve over someone who changes all of a sudden, it could be that they stopped acting and returned to their true self." - Socrates "There is nothing impossible to him will try." - Alexander the Great "The oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." - Aristotle "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Plato "With the right attitude, self-imposed limitations vanish." - Alexander the Great "There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." - Socrates "There has been a constant war, a war with fear, those who are conquer it made free, those who are conquered by it are made to suffer until they have the courage to defeat it, or death takes them. - Alexander the Great
The amount of power Marcus held and the amount of temptation he must've endured (yes endured) is unfathomable. To keep himself to the middle way and to live a life as basic as he did in regard to the power and luxuries that surrounded him is pretty impressive. You'd never think he was Commodus' father.
Commodus mother betrayed him and his siter wanted to kill him. He learned martial arts to defend himself and puff himself up is pretty understandable reaction against all people surrounding him wanted him death. He’s not weak, he’s just not strong enough. There’s a difference.
Maybe he should've tried harder to be a good father then a renowned philosopher. Then the Roman Empire would've gotten a more able Caesar instead of a useless one. The truth is, many ancient philosophers didn't hold to their own standards.
You can’t talk about Marcus Arelius without mentioning Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And He will have his vengeance, in this life or the next
Imagine being dead for 2,000 years, or longer, and people are still saying, "This mofo was smart.", and you know there were people around him that hated him and thought he was stupid.
I always think when looking into history that somewhere out there alive today is a living descendant of all these figures from history, many of whom may not even know their family tree deep enough to realise. I watched a fascinating 2 hour documentary by 2 brothers on TH-cam about mesopotamia and sargon of akkad, the first man in human history to create an empire in what is now modern day Iraq, when I applied that "there's a living descendent somewhere on this planet today & we don't even know" it blew my mind...I love history 😀
The reason why Marcus Aurelius book "Meditations" is so powerful is becaue it was not a book but a private journal for himself and himself only, it was published after his death.
Marcus’ book Meditations changed my life. I used to be depressed, mentally weak, and overly concerned with the opinions of others. After finding Stoicism I finally have a guide for my life which I was desperately missing. It’s demanding, but the rewards are indescribable
If you haven't yet read it, I recommend also The Inner Citadel by Pierre Hadot, and The Practicing Stoic by Ward Farnsworth. Also, How to Think Like a Roman Emperor by Donald Robertson is a very good entry point. There is a whole system to Marcus's thought process in the Meditations that go largely unseen by merely reading it in a front to back way as if its a normal book. Ultimately its up to the reader how deep they want to get, and I think you get as much out of it as you're willing to put in and really carefully examine.
@@iAdilZaheer The Inner Citadel is a very deep and complex dive into the Meditations. The first 50 pages of that book (Inner Citadel) will basically explain the logical structure behind the Meditations, but it can get very wordy and "academic". Robertson's How to Think Like a Roman Emperor book is a much easier to digest entry point. He does a good job using historical examples of Marcus's life, mixed with modern therapy practices which were directly inspired by Stoic philosophy, and provides useful explanations on why they work.
Reading Meditations now bro. What's throwing me off is that Aurelius describes very similar societal & cultural issues as were experiencing now. Cracked me up that Marcus talks about how the poets & playwrights were a problem for actual discourse. Describes the "celebrities" of today. Amazing.
@Neutral total bullshit anybody can make up extremely vague answers. If you are waiting for someone to tell you the answer then you are wasting your time.
@Neutral being a noble family doesn’t mean you know anything. Do you think the British royal family is extremely intelligent or just a real estate company that is protected by their country’s history?
Gad Saad: It's really incredible how universally applicable the philosophies of the ancient greeks were, they were truly great thinkers and truly valued cultivating a deep wisdom Joe: It was drugs bro lmao
why do people who take psychs all the time find it so incomprehensible that you can have profound experiences and thoughts while sober. I used to do psychs but now prefer to meditate and i find it much more enlightening. Its ridiculous to chalk up ancient philosopher to drug use. Joe might not be able to have insightful thoughts while sober. Psychs can be helpful but people need to discover other pathways to insight, there are much more meaningful ways. Unearned wisdom is useless.
@@xperiagalvez2398 simpletons are entranced by a few big words. It blows my mind how easily they fall for the BS some of these people spew. MA and ppl like sad guru say ALOT without actually saying anything. Escher sentences is what all these quotes are.
I am so happy that I stumbled upon Meditations in an antique store. Blew my young mind. I was surprised that an emperor would have such noble ideas. He could have been selfish, but he chose to pursue self improvement. Highly recommend that book.
Consider why an ancient wisdom tradition like Stoicism is suddenly re-emerging in our culture. Could it be because all of our own wisdom/religious traditions have fallen away in the wake of disastrous secular ideologies and people are craving that meaning from somewhere else?🤔🙃🙃
@@Joeonline26 You're close but it's not so insidious or impious, it merely has to do with our faith not lining up with empirical reality. You have folks like me who grew up in the Church but whose faith was crushed by simple inconsistencies that ought not have been there with stakes as high as they were. So you get an entire crop of disaffected people, some convert to other religions, other tap out entirely, and then a few of us go backwards and try fishing wisdom out of the bedrock of Western civilization. To me this was the best path forward, their philosophies were certainly underpinned by their belief in the gods of the Hellenic and later Roman pantheons but there's no necessity for belief to imbibe the wisdom there. You don't really get that with Christianity, the religion is about salvation and faith, there have been scant few philosophers of worth arising from a purely Christian frame of reference, and they all insist upon faith as an axiom. There's probably a way forward in this mode for Christianity but it'll have to embrace a non-universalist perspective, although ironically enough that would remove the Christian bits and leave the Greek philosophy skeleton underneath.
My middle name is Aurelius; my mom was a fan of Marcus’ work when she was in college. I’m very grateful to have been exposed to stoic philosophy from a young age :)
My students were assigned reading from “meditations” every year and they loved it. I gave them a prompt to explain why his words were still relevant today. It was an assignment when I taught the classical world of Greece and Rome. It’s the foundation of the west.
you're the teacher your students will look back on, fondly, decades later. A credit to your profession unlike some of the distasteful loons marring it today. I was lucky enough to have some good ones myself, and I can remember their lessons vividly even twenty years after the fact. Keep up the good work.
" You should take no action unwillingly, selfishly, uncritically, or with conflicting motives. Let the God within you be the champion of the being you are." - Marcus Aurelius
I've broken my back 5 times, and went through a very difficult and painful healing process. Through that time, and ever since, it was the writings of Marcus Aurelius that got me through it. The timeless wisdom of the ancient philosophers is just as valuable and relevant today.
@@iAdilZaheer I have hour long drives to and from work. I listened to it on audio book first and didn't actually read it until the second time. The amounts of time I had to hit the rewind 30 seconds was insane, but it was worth it. Similar to what Saad had said, the reason I was so into the book is because I too have had many of these thoughts on my own before finding this book. I feel the same connection to Marcus Aurelius as professor Saad. I was 30 before I read this book, there's a good chance this book just found me at the right time, and maybe you should come back to it in a year or two.
You don't control your thoughts because you don't have freewill .and your thoughts are not your thoughts there society's thoughts and feelings. have you ever watched ug krishnamurti on you tube very enlightening anti guru.
If neuroscience is correct and there is no freewill then how stoic an person is genetically determined you don't control your how well your frontal cortex controls your impulses you don't control how over active your limbic system is when people live in bad environment situations and thoughts are not your own because there brainwashed in to you by the society you live in. watch ug krishnamurti what is thinking and why do we think on you tube.
A lot of this stuff just leads to an obsession with thoughts. People start analysing every bad though they had and just cause more stress. It's much better to just find detachment from your thoughts. That doesn't automatically just end suffering, but it would make you more aware of the suffering and it would be easier to manage it. ACT mindfulness is probably the best strategy for dealing with suffering and living a better life. Also, the SPIRE model of happiness looks like a good guide for happiness, as it realises that happiness isn't something you can actively pursue without becoming miserable.
@@Competitive_Antagonist good and bad dont exist, morality doesnt exist. morality was created by the weak to control the strong, the weak also created religion for this purpose too. there is no good or bad, only strong and weak, predator and prey
The thing I hate about stoicism is how it's popularly presented. It's presented as merely having a "thick skin" or a "stiff upper lip" when that could not be further from the truth. Stoicism provides a series of wisdoms for how to handle life that we can pick and choose from at our leisure. I wish I had been taught even an elementary amount of philosophy in school, instead of a lot of the garbage I was taught. It's even worse for the kids today... they get to be propagandized by CRT.
Kids really need to be taught how our brain reward system works. Its a big reason depression is running rampant with todays youth. They only get endorphins from certain activities now.
i understand why because there’s so much evidence of psychedelic use in ancient times and it’s impossible to not bring it up when talking about ancient philosophy and spirituality cause it has potentially contributed to so much of that
@@houstonsherfey4721that’s like saying it’s impossible not to talk about alcohol when discussing the 1800s because they drank alcohol in the 1800 hundreds. To say we can’t avoid one very specific subject when talking about a certain time period just because that subject existed at some level in the time period is ridiculous
We’ve watered down happiness in our culture. Aristotle used the term eudaimonia which doesn’t have a direct English translation. But if you read his works in English, unless they are translated by a good scholar like Carnes Lord or Bartlett and Collins, they just substitute the word “happiness.” They aren’t the same thing. We’ve come to define being happy as contentment or pleasure, which is a state that is achieved. For the Greeks, eudaimonia was something lived through actions and being virtuous; two discernibly different concepts. Happiness is fleeting; your emotional state with eudaimonia may change, but your spirit is at peace because you live a life of virtue. That’s lost in today’s society.
As far as i remember from when we studied the nicomachean ethics, most anglo philosophers recommend "flourishing" as the best translation of eudaimonia. It still doesn't capture the exact meaning of the greek concept but it is way way closer than just "happiness".
@@smithywerbenjagermanjensen This is why even Seneca himself borrows the words from the Greeks, for knows the limitations of Latin. Our medical and legal fields are still reliant on Latin terms. We truly stand on the shoulders of others ei?
Man. One of the best comments on youtube. Exactly like you said. Eudaimonia is the "only pursuit" what makes sense. Cuz if you pursuit to be in this state of mind eudaimonia, everything I mean, everything will fall into place like a puzzle.
"The obstacle is the way" - Marcus Aurelias. ✌️ For anyone who doesn't know about Stoicism, it's saying that to grow as a person & understand who you are you must take the challenge of the harder paths in life, not the easy ones. It's basically a milder version of David Goggins' mantra! Stay indifferent!! 💪 😂
Stoicism is really not about being indifferent. That's just toxic masculinity and expecting man to be stoic (the adjective, not the noun). Stoicism isnt about deleting and neglecting your emotions, but rather accepting them. Remember guys, emotions are part of us, and they make life amazing!
The ancient Greeks were insane. They talked about every topic imaginable and turned the talk into a seminar. It has been said that the entire canon of Western philosophy is a series of footnotes to Plato.
The fact that he never used to preach leads me to conclude that he didn't believe in free will. I think that is the reason why never published his journal, he knew the masses wouldn't be fully be able to realize his practices. My mind is blown at the level of self-awareness he had.
Rogan is a meathead. It’s kind of shocking how philosophically incompetent he is. He couldn’t even grasp Plato’s forms when he had a guest on discussing them recently.
I heard about Aurelius from a lecture by michael sugrue. He claims its the one case where absolute power doesnt corrupt absolutely. He was a person who had every material wealth, could sleep with any woman, or slay any man, but by his will was to be a philosopher who was morally ahead of his time.
@@TheOriginalFishPond Yea that's usually the Actuality of things. Younger ages he was probably a Killer but through LIFE he witnessed what the fk is WRONG with MANKIND as a WHOLE.
@@greennimbus2519 Exactly, it is the point I feel people always miss. Marcus is speaking in retrospect as a means to live a better life in his future. He understood the genius of man is the cumulative wisdom we gain over time, not the values we are born with or currently believe.
he wasn't the only one....there have been good emperors in China that were not corrupted like the ancient emperor general tso who conquered so many lands and created a meal that saved his army
Marcus Aurelius changed my life in so many ways when I came across his teachings. The way he resolved problems despite what he was dealing with (health wise) and the philosophies he held really changed my perception on how you can resolve the issues in your own life
"There was once a dream that was TH-cam. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish, it was so fragile" - Marcus Aurelius
Marcus Aurelius changed my perspective on life and challenging circumstances. I have been practicing stoicism for the past month and it really has helped.
I’ve been very intrigued in philosophy and especially stoicism, since it has really helped ground and guide me as I learn and experience life. As a 17 year old, I see that a lot people my age are lost, with no compass to steer them in any direction, but thanks to these wise minds, we have some blueprints in hands reach that can be useful in our own paths. If only it was cool to be informed… Of course others’ experiences don’t always apply in our life, but seeing different perspectives is important . Something interesting that started last year was, I began to write my thoughts down and started to think and say things that were similar to stoic beliefs, but I never knew that there was something more to it. That was until this year when I discovered stoicism along with other great thinkers. The accessibility to knowledge is taken for granted nowadays. I hope in life, to make use of the things ive learned and to continue helpings others along the way. Edit: I rarely comment my deeper thoughts on youtube comments and did not expect the feedback that it got, but I appreciate it all. I doubt myself a lot so some signs of making sense is helpful 🙏🏽
Dude, grab that thought and run with it. Philosophy is never a waste of time. Just remember to allow yourself to think about things in your way and not what you think to be some other person's standard for the right way for you to think. Well done!
The proper stoic always writes. In your assessment of nature under stoic axioms, you’ll find many of the same insights about the world that the greatest stoics have. Good luck
What I find insanely fascinating is that they lived sooooo long ago. But they're insight and intuition on humans how we act and react is identical to today's time regardless of the technology changes and how much harder their lives were than ours. Our behaviors are almost identical to theirs. We're just so self-absorbed we don't pay any attention to it, back then they didn't spend their time being self-absorbed but they tried to be understanding as a culture rather than singular
Reading Marcus Aurelius' work was one of the first steps I took towards curing my anxiety. As a kid I was always worrying about everything. I could never live in the moment because my mind was always focused on the future. He helped me to realize that I was truly capable of wrestling back control over my own mind - to stop the instrusive thoughts and negativity. He taught me the importance of living in the moment and how I can train myself to do it. I'd recommend him and the other stoics to anyone suffering from chronic anxiety. If you don't like to read, or find it difficult to read philosophy books (which can be confusing as hell), there are plenty of stoic pages on social media you can use to bombard your brain with the wisdom it needs to change your mindset. It worked wonders for me.
One of my favorite teachers is Lebanese. They were forced to memorize all their teachings in school. The gift of memory is incredible from the Lebanese culture of teaching.
"Family, God & Community." From my dad, who suffered being a POW of the Japanese Imperial Army, underwent torture, starvation, debasement & humiliation, exotic diseases, PTSD, the Bataan Death March, the Hell Ships (he said was the worst of his experiences), slave labor for almost 4 years & yet never hated the Japanese. Indeed, he learned the language & thought his children that in your darkest moments, rely on the above.
Honestly I would love to see Joe interview a f1 driver, it would be interesting, as a max fan I think Lewis or Seb are probably the best drivers to interview, but personally I think seb because he is probably the most knowledgeable driver on the grid
Just started reading Marcus Aurelius 'Meditations' and ive noticed a feeling of ease or peace in my mind. Before reading this book i found myself struggling to keep a tight rein over my thoughts, anxieties and overall fears. I love the simplicity from his writings and taking the context and applying it to our own lives.
@@iAdilZaheer There is that stoicism guy on TH-cam that read it like 100 times or something. Watch his video about it, gives a great breakdown to kinda help you with reading it. Yeah just looked it up, it’s a video called “How to read Marcus Aurelius meditations” from Daily Stoic
"Marcus Aurelius insists, as such introspective moralists always do, upon small things done or undone; it is because he has not hate or love enough to make a moral revolution. He gets up early in the morning, just as our own aristocrats living the Simple Life get up early in the morning; because such altruism is much easier than stopping the games of the amphitheatre or giving the English people back their land. He is an unselfish egoist. An unselfish egoist is a man who has pride without the excuse of passion." - G.K. Chesterton
Guest ".....and the impact caused the extinction of the dinosaurs." Joe "I heard the dinosaurs were eating psychedelic plants, and were so high they let the mammals take over."
I'm going to be THAT guy and point out what we (including especially Gad) all know: Marcus Aurelius was Roman, not Greek. (But I consider the Greeks and the Romans as essentially sharing the same legacy, relative to where we are today. The difference?... the Romans just decided to include women in their orgies)
“Greece, the captive, took her savage victor captive,” - Horace Rome evolved in parallel to Greece, they arose amidst the Latin tribes and the Etruscans to the north with minimal but relevant contacts with the Greeks. This changes drastically after the Roman conquest of Greece, while Rome is still Rome they bring philosophers, artists, architects, scientists, and doctors into Rome to take advantage of Greek ingenuity. Syncretism is the watchword here, the Romans syncretized Greek culture with Roman culture, religion, and political institutions, giving us the Rome most people think of. Funny enough you imply the Romans were more libertine but that was most certainly not the case, the Bacchanalia was a special case and considered rather scandalous and even a threat to public welfare, they were very conservative in the light of day. Greece on the other hand was radically more libertine, depending on which city-state we're looking at. For example homosexuality in Greece was a bit more acceptable, as opposed to Rome where only being on top was acceptable and even then it was a bit distasteful. Hadrian I believe was called the "Greekling" for his tastes, not that he would've been offended lol
@@theeccentrictripper3863 I never thought of tyrant Rome as "Rome ", but ok. And I meant the ritual, not the city. As it's a bronze age ritual, that's where I got 1000.
Joe's vast knowledge he has acquired over this long on the podcast makes me see how intelligent and understanding he's become and now I just feel like I'm stupid because all this shit he puts up amazes me haha
We are such narcissists we are so quick to judge people from the past as if we are superior, yet everything we have is because of the hard work from the past.
That's mainly ignorance not narcisism. If you know the facts and you're well read and still judge in that way, well that's narcisism i would say. Ignorance is a hell of a drug.
“Northerners know nothing at all about Slavery. They think it is perpetual bondage only. They have no conception of the depth of degradation involved in that word, SLAVERY; if they had, they would never cease their efforts until so horrible a system was overthrown.” ― Harriet Ann Jacobs
They knew enough about it to overthrow the system - one that had reigned for centuries through every tribe, people and continent. Unfortunately still occurs in some places. Appears there's no limit to what humans will do to one another.
I love this obsession with psychedelics. Truth is, the ergot fungus unaltered will not make you trip. It was also present in a lot of things back then, along with a lot of other fungi, bacteria, etc. No refrigeration, no antibiotics, naturally fungi and bacteria quickly formed on things exposed to air, heat, and moisture, which would have been everything. Not surprising ergot was found, it was actually common back then because the grains were not treated to prevent it from growing. I dig the psychedelic revolution going on right now, but there are other explanations as well. The discovery of ergot in pottery doesn’t in and of itself “prove” anything (yet).
Marcus Aurelius literally changed my life... My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
Joe will find any possible way to correlate profound historical achivements and insights to some sort of psychoactive compound. Not everybody was tripping dude, chill.
@@eodyn7 Obviously most weren’t . Same with us . most people aren’t using psychedelics. But the great thinkers of that time certainly were. Look into their mystery schools
Sounds like you need some psychedelics my guy lol plus you gotta remember no type of electronics, primitive forms of entertainment the only thing to do back then other than work was to get drunk and do drugs.
Marcus Aurelius literally changed my life, his book the meditations will give you a fresh new outlook on life and how to deal with the ups and downs we experience during our life's " we suffer more in imagination then we do in reality "
Same
That's why when your so drunk u can't think u reach zen. Or other drugs or meditation. We are built to find problems and fix them not be in bliss with no meaning
"we suffer more in imagination then we do in reality" sounds pretty, but some (many? most?) suffer more in reality than they do in imagination, that's just a fact.
@@robertvose7540 Not really, what is the imagination/though process/mental state of one going through intense suffering in real life?
It's even worse than most regular people going through a bad time. That quote isn't one of convenience, it's one of causality.
Well, the 45th President of the US is a GREAT example of this. If you listen to him, he has suffered more than anyone else, ever, bigly!
"Why should we feel angry at the world? As if the world would notice." - Marcus Aurelius
It’s society not the world
For me the world means lands
Society changes its mind every year
"Start with straight shots, and then pop bottles." -Marcus Aurelius
"Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die"
- Buddha.
Because evolution endowed us with emotional states that have utility in the world and against the world, anger being one.....
@@imemberberry "pour it on the models"- Hypatia .... "shut up bitch, swallow" - Aristotle
he’s done it again. joe found a way to bring psychedelics into the conversation
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Dude: In short, that os the legacy of Marcus Aurelius. Joe: Can you imagine a chimp in the legions?
It is the reason these ancient empires were as great and intellectual as they were 🤤😅
Hey Miguel, have you ever done DMT?
I suffered from anxiety for a lot of my adult life. It basically robbed me of my late 20s. Meditations doesn’t give you some cure for anxiety, but the courage to look it in the face and not run away. Once that clicked in my head, everything changed. It should be required reading for every person on the planet.
Only those who choose shall reap the benefit of their actions. - Abe Lincoln
If it was a required reading, it would get twisted in some way I think
Im sorry JD... One upon a time Good men (old school) would instill this philosophy into their sons.. Im not sure what happened..i was fortunate... i had no idea the outlook and practices ()i dont think my father did either) had an official name...not un til i got much older ...just thought it was generational wisdom....pass it forward my friend
JESUS healed me from the terror in my soul and shame. Read the Bible and about JESUS. The great reset is here or soon. m.th-cam.com/video/ygaxC7hLp2E/w-d-xo.html
How to Reduce the Pain of Life by Arthur Schopenhauer:
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Haha, that is a cure. People are anxious because of the unknown. If you get the courage to just face things, instead of running away, you won't be anxious anymore.
Marcus Aurelius changed my life
"There is nothing of material or physical that is worthy of pursuit that will bring true happiness "
Made me realise why is all that so many do is pursue goals that ultimately do little to bring calm to their mind.
He missed one, Knowledge. It will not bring true happiness.
The goal must go but it's hard to do because were dopamine reward seeking addicted animal's swapping one addiction/goal for an other one can't escape the realm of desire goal seeking because that's all we seem to be.
So one must pursue god-an immaterial being?As a relgious person, I like this quote.
Pretty easy to say when you are one of the most rich and powerful people on the planet.
@@Ronfost89Epitetus said the same stuff and he was even a slave.
Here's one of my favorites from Marcus Aurelius:
"When you arise in the morning, think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love."
but we don't know what happens after death.. There is either nothing after death, then there is no "you" anymore that can care about being alive, think,love,... or there is another life which is better or worse than this life. In conclusion, it is a rash judgment to say its a privilege to be alive.
@@Scout887 I wonder if you lived in Ukraine right now if you would Have the same conclusion.
@@aplusatlanta1 more so , for those who are alive in that adversity!!
@@Scout887 he actually entertains that idea just as much. He routinely wrote down how our short lives ultimately don't matter, how we're just going to fade away like all those before us no matter how powerful or popular we once were. Gotta remember this was a journal where he applied more basic philosophical concepts to his daily life throughout. That's what makes it so interesting.
@@aplusatlanta1 Marcus Aurelius often had the same line of thought
Some of my favorite quotes from ancient philosophers are:
"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." - Marcus Aurelius
"Do not indulge in dreams of having what you have not, but reckon up the chief of the blessings you do possess, and then thankfully remember how you would crave for them, if they were not yours." - Marcus Aurelius
"When you arise in the morning, think of how much of a privilege it is to be alive, to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." - Marcus Aurelius
"Don't grieve over someone who changes all of a sudden, it could be that they stopped acting and returned to their true self." - Socrates
"There is nothing impossible to him will try." - Alexander the Great
"The oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." - Aristotle
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Plato
"With the right attitude, self-imposed limitations vanish." - Alexander the Great
"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." - Socrates
"There has been a constant war, a war with fear, those who are conquer it made free, those who are conquered by it are made to suffer until they have the courage to defeat it, or death takes them. - Alexander the Great
"The universe is change, life is opinion". - Marcus Aurelius
"L8tor G8tors" Stephen Grant.
"Soon you will have forgotten all things, and all things will have forgotten you" - Marcus Aurelius
thanks for this! i have the first one one my wall in decal letters ; i'm sooo cool lol
@@B-MO_ he's up there with KneeChee
The amount of power Marcus held and the amount of temptation he must've endured (yes endured) is unfathomable. To keep himself to the middle way and to live a life as basic as he did in regard to the power and luxuries that surrounded him is pretty impressive. You'd never think he was Commodus' father.
You pretty much described Jesus only about 100 years after him
@@christophsan4040 Jesus was 200 years before Marcus .
Commodus seems a vain antithesis. Sometimes the apple rolls down a hill into the mud.
Commodus mother betrayed him and his siter wanted to kill him. He learned martial arts to defend himself and puff himself up is pretty understandable reaction against all people surrounding him wanted him death.
He’s not weak, he’s just not strong enough. There’s a difference.
Maybe he should've tried harder to be a good father then a renowned philosopher.
Then the Roman Empire would've gotten a more able Caesar instead of a useless one.
The truth is, many ancient philosophers didn't hold to their own standards.
You can’t talk about Marcus Arelius without mentioning Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And He will have his vengeance, in this life or the next
That's pretty funny. I should watch that movie again.
🤣🤣🤣 I sir, am very entertained by this! 🤣
"Haha! You knew Marcus Aurelius?"
-“I did not say I knew him! I said he touched me on the shoulder once!" ...
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@@jloyer14 lmfao he got so mad when he cracked up at his story
Imagine being dead for 2,000 years, or longer, and people are still saying, "This mofo was smart.", and you know there were people around him that hated him and thought he was stupid.
I always think when looking into history that somewhere out there alive today is a living descendant of all these figures from history, many of whom may not even know their family tree deep enough to realise. I watched a fascinating 2 hour documentary by 2 brothers on TH-cam about mesopotamia and sargon of akkad, the first man in human history to create an empire in what is now modern day Iraq, when I applied that "there's a living descendent somewhere on this planet today & we don't even know" it blew my mind...I love history 😀
I watched a video about genghis khan saying his name would be forgetten saying this to his sons about the future of the Mongols. Ironic
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Visionaries have a tendency to be misunderstood
The reason why Marcus Aurelius book "Meditations" is so powerful is becaue it was not a book but a private journal for himself and himself only, it was published after his death.
@Neutral Imagine falling for some larp on 4chan...
@Neutral Sure it wasn't there buds... Just keep spamming the comments with your cut and paste 4chan larp.
Read The Kybalion by The 3 Initiates.
@@Jay-bf8yp imagine replying to a bot…
@Neutral dude stop posting this shit everywhere
Marcus’ book Meditations changed my life. I used to be depressed, mentally weak, and overly concerned with the opinions of others. After finding Stoicism I finally have a guide for my life which I was desperately missing. It’s demanding, but the rewards are indescribable
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Finally its here.
If you haven't yet read it, I recommend also The Inner Citadel by Pierre Hadot, and The Practicing Stoic by Ward Farnsworth. Also, How to Think Like a Roman Emperor by Donald Robertson is a very good entry point.
There is a whole system to Marcus's thought process in the Meditations that go largely unseen by merely reading it in a front to back way as if its a normal book. Ultimately its up to the reader how deep they want to get, and I think you get as much out of it as you're willing to put in and really carefully examine.
I also tried reading Mediations but couldn't. Like is there any methodology to read that book. I really wanna read it. If anyone can help. Thank you.
@@iAdilZaheer The Inner Citadel is a very deep and complex dive into the Meditations. The first 50 pages of that book (Inner Citadel) will basically explain the logical structure behind the Meditations, but it can get very wordy and "academic".
Robertson's How to Think Like a Roman Emperor book is a much easier to digest entry point. He does a good job using historical examples of Marcus's life, mixed with modern therapy practices which were directly inspired by Stoic philosophy, and provides useful explanations on why they work.
Reading Meditations now bro. What's throwing me off is that Aurelius describes very similar societal & cultural issues as were experiencing now. Cracked me up that Marcus talks about how the poets & playwrights were a problem for actual discourse. Describes the "celebrities" of today. Amazing.
Meditations by Marcus Aurelius is an amazing collection of wisdoms
I mean other than the starry eyes of his slave boys
@Neutral total bullshit anybody can make up extremely vague answers. If you are waiting for someone to tell you the answer then you are wasting your time.
@@bobkrazynski2205 Dumb people talk about people average people talk about events intelligent people talk about ideas
Just go to therapy bro
@Neutral being a noble family doesn’t mean you know anything. Do you think the British royal family is extremely intelligent or just a real estate company that is protected by their country’s history?
Gad Saad: It's really incredible how universally applicable the philosophies of the ancient greeks were, they were truly great thinkers and truly valued cultivating a deep wisdom
Joe: It was drugs bro lmao
@Skíðblaðnir Not true, those are hypotheses made by people who are regarded as being pseudo-intellectuals.
@Skíðblaðnir only people who don't understand how evolution works would think that.
If I never tried shrooms I would’ve laughed at this (I still did)
But It actually was drugs bro
@@aakashkathait8328 I seen a documentary on psychedelics that believe its what helped humans invent farming.
why do people who take psychs all the time find it so incomprehensible that you can have profound experiences and thoughts while sober. I used to do psychs but now prefer to meditate and i find it much more enlightening. Its ridiculous to chalk up ancient philosopher to drug use. Joe might not be able to have insightful thoughts while sober. Psychs can be helpful but people need to discover other pathways to insight, there are much more meaningful ways. Unearned wisdom is useless.
Marcus Aurelius is life changing. It was for me a gateway to radical personal change at a pivotal point in my life.
How so?
Same here
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
Marcus Aurelius
You people only admire him to be hipster
@@xperiagalvez2398 hipsters are the insane
@@xperiagalvez2398 simpletons are entranced by a few big words. It blows my mind how easily they fall for the BS some of these people spew. MA and ppl like sad guru say ALOT without actually saying anything.
Escher sentences is what all these quotes are.
@@OrangeHeadTM except, Marcus Aurelius never wrote with the intention of it ever being read by anyone other than himself.
@@mermiez1 exactly lmao
I am so happy that I stumbled upon Meditations in an antique store. Blew my young mind. I was surprised that an emperor would have such noble ideas. He could have been selfish, but he chose to pursue self improvement. Highly recommend that book.
I also tried reading Mediations but couldn't. Like is there any methodology to read that book. I really wanna read it. If anyone can help. Thank you.
Consider why an ancient wisdom tradition like Stoicism is suddenly re-emerging in our culture. Could it be because all of our own wisdom/religious traditions have fallen away in the wake of disastrous secular ideologies and people are craving that meaning from somewhere else?🤔🙃🙃
@@Joeonline26 Before going off half-cocked, you'll want to consider whether it's actually "reemerging" at all.
@@hughmac13 And at what other point in the last 100years could you point to an antique wisdom tradition being this popular with the masses?🤔
@@Joeonline26 You're close but it's not so insidious or impious, it merely has to do with our faith not lining up with empirical reality. You have folks like me who grew up in the Church but whose faith was crushed by simple inconsistencies that ought not have been there with stakes as high as they were. So you get an entire crop of disaffected people, some convert to other religions, other tap out entirely, and then a few of us go backwards and try fishing wisdom out of the bedrock of Western civilization. To me this was the best path forward, their philosophies were certainly underpinned by their belief in the gods of the Hellenic and later Roman pantheons but there's no necessity for belief to imbibe the wisdom there. You don't really get that with Christianity, the religion is about salvation and faith, there have been scant few philosophers of worth arising from a purely Christian frame of reference, and they all insist upon faith as an axiom. There's probably a way forward in this mode for Christianity but it'll have to embrace a non-universalist perspective, although ironically enough that would remove the Christian bits and leave the Greek philosophy skeleton underneath.
Gad:
Joe: did you know the ancient greeks put acid in their wine?
This is why Gad is infinitely more interesting, but why Joe also is just a fun guy to just sit down and have a brew with.
Gad inferred at the beginning that Marcus was a greek
Rogan makes far too much of this and I doubt it was as common as he would like us or himself to believe.
Finds a cup with acid in it "all Greeks drank acid in their wine"....
@@mjic1580 He is indeed a Greek thinker.
My middle name is Aurelius; my mom was a fan of Marcus’ work when she was in college. I’m very grateful to have been exposed to stoic philosophy from a young age :)
props to mom
"Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars and see yourself running with them." --Marcus Aurelius
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Dude must have been smoking some good trees.
My students were assigned reading from “meditations” every year and they loved it. I gave them a prompt to explain why his words were still relevant today. It was an assignment when I taught the classical world of Greece and Rome. It’s the foundation of the west.
you're the teacher your students will look back on, fondly, decades later. A credit to your profession unlike some of the distasteful loons marring it today. I was lucky enough to have some good ones myself, and I can remember their lessons vividly even twenty years after the fact. Keep up the good work.
Respect my dear teacher 👏🏽
Marcus Aurelius was truly a special man. If more of us practiced the principles of a stoic life, we’d all be in a better place.
“One should not worry about things that are out of his control” or something like that. I’m sure my boy Marcus said something like that
" You should take no action unwillingly, selfishly, uncritically, or with conflicting motives. Let the God within you be the champion of the being you are." - Marcus Aurelius
I've broken my back 5 times, and went through a very difficult and painful healing process. Through that time, and ever since, it was the writings of Marcus Aurelius that got me through it. The timeless wisdom of the ancient philosophers is just as valuable and relevant today.
Phuq, 5×? I hoped you aced it and don't have to do THAT again.
you have to keep breaking your back until it opens up
You didn’t learn the first time?
Why
Bet you broke it again after commenting.
Stoic philosophy is one of the greatest treasures in the history of ideas. It really changes your way of thinking on a fundamental level.
The only book I've ever read 3 times. Best book ever. So important in the age of social media.
I also tried reading Mediations but couldn't. Like is there any methodology to read that book. I really wanna read it. If anyone can help. Thank you.
@@iAdilZaheer I have hour long drives to and from work. I listened to it on audio book first and didn't actually read it until the second time. The amounts of time I had to hit the rewind 30 seconds was insane, but it was worth it.
Similar to what Saad had said, the reason I was so into the book is because I too have had many of these thoughts on my own before finding this book. I feel the same connection to Marcus Aurelius as professor Saad. I was 30 before I read this book, there's a good chance this book just found me at the right time, and maybe you should come back to it in a year or two.
“The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." ~ Marcus Aurelius
You don't control your thoughts because you don't have freewill .and your thoughts are not your thoughts there society's thoughts and feelings. have you ever watched ug krishnamurti on you tube very enlightening anti guru.
If neuroscience is correct and there is no freewill then how stoic an person is genetically determined you don't control your how well your frontal cortex controls your impulses you don't control how over active your limbic system is when people live in bad environment situations and thoughts are not your own because there brainwashed in to you by the society you live in. watch ug krishnamurti what is thinking and why do we think on you tube.
A lot of this stuff just leads to an obsession with thoughts. People start analysing every bad though they had and just cause more stress. It's much better to just find detachment from your thoughts. That doesn't automatically just end suffering, but it would make you more aware of the suffering and it would be easier to manage it. ACT mindfulness is probably the best strategy for dealing with suffering and living a better life. Also, the SPIRE model of happiness looks like a good guide for happiness, as it realises that happiness isn't something you can actively pursue without becoming miserable.
Ug krishnamurti_meditation is evil. go watch funny debunks the usefullness of meditation.
@@Competitive_Antagonist good and bad dont exist, morality doesnt exist. morality was created by the weak to control the strong, the weak also created religion for this purpose too. there is no good or bad, only strong and weak, predator and prey
The thing I hate about stoicism is how it's popularly presented. It's presented as merely having a "thick skin" or a "stiff upper lip" when that could not be further from the truth. Stoicism provides a series of wisdoms for how to handle life that we can pick and choose from at our leisure. I wish I had been taught even an elementary amount of philosophy in school, instead of a lot of the garbage I was taught. It's even worse for the kids today... they get to be propagandized by CRT.
Excellent comment!!!
Kids really need to be taught how our brain reward system works. Its a big reason depression is running rampant with todays youth. They only get endorphins from certain activities now.
Love how Joe turned ancient philosopher talk into use of psychedelics.
Every time
no matter what he goes there
i understand why because there’s so much evidence of psychedelic use in ancient times and it’s impossible to not bring it up when talking about ancient philosophy and spirituality cause it has potentially contributed to so much of that
@@houstonsherfey4721 Yes. most ancient civilizations had knowledge of psychedelic plants or shrooms.
@@houstonsherfey4721that’s like saying it’s impossible not to talk about alcohol when discussing the 1800s because they drank alcohol in the 1800 hundreds. To say we can’t avoid one very specific subject when talking about a certain time period just because that subject existed at some level in the time period is ridiculous
"You have seen that, now look at this" - Marcus Aurelius
One of my favorite quotes from Aurelius
What about the rest of the quote?
Joe always finds a way to squeeze in someone having a trip 😂😂😂
We’ve watered down happiness in our culture. Aristotle used the term eudaimonia which doesn’t have a direct English translation. But if you read his works in English, unless they are translated by a good scholar like Carnes Lord or Bartlett and Collins, they just substitute the word “happiness.” They aren’t the same thing. We’ve come to define being happy as contentment or pleasure, which is a state that is achieved. For the Greeks, eudaimonia was something lived through actions and being virtuous; two discernibly different concepts. Happiness is fleeting; your emotional state with eudaimonia may change, but your spirit is at peace because you live a life of virtue. That’s lost in today’s society.
As far as i remember from when we studied the nicomachean ethics, most anglo philosophers recommend "flourishing" as the best translation of eudaimonia. It still doesn't capture the exact meaning of the greek concept but it is way way closer than just "happiness".
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This is why even Seneca himself borrows the words from the Greeks, for knows the limitations of Latin. Our medical and legal fields are still reliant on Latin terms.
We truly stand on the shoulders of others ei?
"the Pursuit of Happiness" as per "Life, Liberty and eudaemonia"
I'd say we are recapturing it
Man. One of the best comments on youtube. Exactly like you said. Eudaimonia is the "only pursuit" what makes sense. Cuz if you pursuit to be in this state of mind eudaimonia, everything I mean, everything will fall into place like a puzzle.
"The obstacle is the way" - Marcus Aurelias. ✌️
For anyone who doesn't know about Stoicism, it's saying that to grow as a person & understand who you are you must take the challenge of the harder paths in life, not the easy ones. It's basically a milder version of David Goggins' mantra!
Stay indifferent!! 💪 😂
*is (in)
Obstacle is the way is that a stoicism saying?
How do I get into it? Do I read meditations?
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Stoicism is really not about being indifferent. That's just toxic masculinity and expecting man to be stoic (the adjective, not the noun). Stoicism isnt about deleting and neglecting your emotions, but rather accepting them. Remember guys, emotions are part of us, and they make life amazing!
The ancient Greeks were insane. They talked about every topic imaginable and turned the talk into a seminar. It has been said that the entire canon of Western philosophy is a series of footnotes to Plato.
Except for democracy, he hated democracy.
@@scottydog9997 democracy is trash.
It might be , but Platon doesn't even belong to the top 5 Greek philosophers.
@@pulse3554 Like what?
The fact that he never used to preach leads me to conclude that he didn't believe in free will.
I think that is the reason why never published his journal, he knew the masses wouldn't be fully be able to realize his practices. My mind is blown at the level of self-awareness he had.
It’s always good when Joe Rogan discusses philosophy
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Rogan is a meathead. It’s kind of shocking how philosophically incompetent he is. He couldn’t even grasp Plato’s forms when he had a guest on discussing them recently.
Not really
do you even know what a philosopher is?
It sure is!
I heard about Aurelius from a lecture by michael sugrue. He claims its the one case where absolute power doesnt corrupt absolutely.
He was a person who had every material wealth, could sleep with any woman, or slay any man, but by his will was to be a philosopher who was morally ahead of his time.
That lecture is the bomb!
@@TheOriginalFishPond Yea that's usually the Actuality of things. Younger ages he was probably a Killer but through LIFE he witnessed what the fk is WRONG with MANKIND as a WHOLE.
He changed art & architecture forever!!
@@greennimbus2519 Exactly, it is the point I feel people always miss. Marcus is speaking in retrospect as a means to live a better life in his future. He understood the genius of man is the cumulative wisdom we gain over time, not the values we are born with or currently believe.
he wasn't the only one....there have been good emperors in China that were not corrupted like the ancient emperor general tso who conquered so many lands and created a meal that saved his army
I start my morning with stoic quotes by Marcus A. and Seneca . During my AM stretching/mobility rituals . Sets the basis for the rest of my day.
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Lol I listen to Seneca in the shower almost every day, glad to see I'm not the only morning philosopher
Marcus Aurelius changed my life in so many ways when I came across his teachings. The way he resolved problems despite what he was dealing with (health wise) and the philosophies he held really changed my perception on how you can resolve the issues in your own life
Marcus Aurelius and Stoicism changed so many things in my life idk where to start. Great man and even greater way of thinking.
"There was once a dream that was TH-cam. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish, it was so fragile" - Marcus Aurelius
Marcus Aurelius saved my life and everything I am today I owe to him.
Meditations was a ‘quaker’ book for me. A book that shakes up your entire reality and life. Best ever. Everyone should adopt these principles.
Marcus Aurelius changed my perspective on life and challenging circumstances. I have been practicing stoicism for the past month and it really has helped.
It is wonderful to see the Great Books being rediscovered.
Marcus Aurelius' Meditations should be available to every prisoner in the US correctional system. Simple and powerful.
"In every work of Genius we recognize our own rejected thoughts." - Emerson
I’ve been very intrigued in philosophy and especially stoicism, since it has really helped ground and guide me as I learn and experience life. As a 17 year old, I see that a lot people my age are lost, with no compass to steer them in any direction, but thanks to these wise minds, we have some blueprints in hands reach that can be useful in our own paths. If only it was cool to be informed…
Of course others’ experiences don’t always apply in our life, but seeing different perspectives is important .
Something interesting that started last year was, I began to write my thoughts down and started to think and say things that were similar to stoic beliefs, but I never knew that there was something more to it. That was until this year when I discovered stoicism along with other great thinkers. The accessibility to knowledge is taken for granted nowadays. I hope in life, to make use of the things ive learned and to continue helpings others along the way.
Edit: I rarely comment my deeper thoughts on youtube comments and did not expect the feedback that it got, but I appreciate it all. I doubt myself a lot so some signs of making sense is helpful 🙏🏽
Dude, grab that thought and run with it. Philosophy is never a waste of time. Just remember to allow yourself to think about things in your way and not what you think to be some other person's standard for the right way for you to think. Well done!
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns yes of course 🙏🏽
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The proper stoic always writes. In your assessment of nature under stoic axioms, you’ll find many of the same insights about the world that the greatest stoics have. Good luck
Bro the things I could ve done with your mentality when I was 17... Even the fact that you already on jre!!! Keep the good work brother
What I find insanely fascinating is that they lived sooooo long ago. But they're insight and intuition on humans how we act and react is identical to today's time regardless of the technology changes and how much harder their lives were than ours. Our behaviors are almost identical to theirs. We're just so self-absorbed we don't pay any attention to it, back then they didn't spend their time being self-absorbed but they tried to be understanding as a culture rather than singular
Reading Marcus Aurelius' work was one of the first steps I took towards curing my anxiety. As a kid I was always worrying about everything. I could never live in the moment because my mind was always focused on the future. He helped me to realize that I was truly capable of wrestling back control over my own mind - to stop the instrusive thoughts and negativity. He taught me the importance of living in the moment and how I can train myself to do it.
I'd recommend him and the other stoics to anyone suffering from chronic anxiety. If you don't like to read, or find it difficult to read philosophy books (which can be confusing as hell), there are plenty of stoic pages on social media you can use to bombard your brain with the wisdom it needs to change your mindset. It worked wonders for me.
Dude comes on to talk about Ancient Philosophy..
Joe brings it round to psycadelics 😂
lol thats as deep as Joe gets, he derails the conversation with unnecessary facts
My Favorite Roman Emperor! I will be returning to Rome soon, I will be staring at his beautiful statue on the Capitoline Hill ... 🎥😉
One of my favorite teachers is Lebanese. They were forced to memorize all their teachings in school. The gift of memory is incredible from the Lebanese culture of teaching.
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable” - Socrates 469 BC - 399 BC
The way GAAD made the parallel with fossils was poetic
"We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training" - Archilochus
"Family, God & Community." From my dad, who suffered being a POW of the Japanese Imperial Army, underwent torture, starvation, debasement & humiliation, exotic diseases, PTSD, the Bataan Death March, the Hell Ships (he said was the worst of his experiences), slave labor for almost 4 years & yet never hated the Japanese. Indeed, he learned the language & thought his children that in your darkest moments, rely on the above.
This is classic JRE. So good to have Gad Saad back.
It's just blows me away everything Marcus says hits My soul.. Aurelius and Seneca my 2 favorites..
The Complete Works of Marcus Aurelius is a must read for all!
“Vex not thy spirit at the course of things, they heed not thy vexations.”
- Marcus Aurelius
“It is what it is.” -Every modern American male ever.
Honestly I would love to see Joe interview a f1 driver, it would be interesting, as a max fan I think Lewis or Seb are probably the best drivers to interview, but personally I think seb because he is probably the most knowledgeable driver on the grid
Undefeated podcast staying interesting and open 💪
Just started reading Marcus Aurelius 'Meditations' and ive noticed a feeling of ease or peace in my mind. Before reading this book i found myself struggling to keep a tight rein over my thoughts, anxieties and overall fears.
I love the simplicity from his writings and taking the context and applying it to our own lives.
I love the red curtains in the background, it really adds suspense as I'm waiting for agent Cooper to suddenly appear
Aurelius was a remarkable individual, it’s truly a gift to have his experience and wisdom to this day
Gotta love a Gad Saad episode 😁
Wow! I just ordered meditations in the mail yesterday and now this video :D
Amazing podcast,
would recommend everyone to listen to the whole podcast
Stoicism can fix the world. Spoiler Alert: It takes away your excuses and blaming other for your failures.
In this day and age people don’t want to give up their excuses or blaming others and NEVEr will
@@Nappa-q5x We can only control our own mind.
Marcus Aurelius’s journal “Meditations” is a book everyone should read.
I also tried reading Mediations but couldn't. Like is there any methodology to read that book. I really wanna read it. If anyone can help. Thank you.
@@iAdilZaheer There is that stoicism guy on TH-cam that read it like 100 times or something. Watch his video about it, gives a great breakdown to kinda help you with reading it.
Yeah just looked it up, it’s a video called “How to read Marcus Aurelius meditations” from Daily Stoic
Seneca's letters as well. On the shortness of life is beautiful.
Stoicism has endless value
Drinking wine and listening to this conversation is gold.
'When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love"
"Marcus Aurelius insists, as such introspective moralists always do, upon small things done or undone; it is because he has not hate or love enough to make a moral revolution. He gets up early in the morning, just as our own aristocrats living the Simple Life get up early in the morning; because such altruism is much easier than stopping the games of the amphitheatre or giving the English people back their land. He is an unselfish egoist. An unselfish egoist is a man who has pride without the excuse of passion." - G.K. Chesterton
'it is because he has not hate or love enough to make a moral revolution'
I'll take Aurelius over Hitler or Lenin any day of the week
Interesting. I just looked up when the last time the North Node was conjunct Uranus in Taurus (as it is now) was when Marcus Aurelius died.
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Guest ".....and the impact caused the extinction of the dinosaurs."
Joe "I heard the dinosaurs were eating psychedelic plants, and were so high they let the mammals take over."
I really need to start listening / watching Joe’s podcast again
Gad Saad is one of Joe's top intellectual gurus. Good.
The accuracy of the thinking of Seneca, Epictetus, and Marcus Aurelius is tremendous
I'm going to be THAT guy and point out what we (including especially Gad) all know: Marcus Aurelius was Roman, not Greek. (But I consider the Greeks and the Romans as essentially sharing the same legacy, relative to where we are today. The difference?... the Romans just decided to include women in their orgies)
“Greece, the captive, took her savage victor captive,” - Horace
Rome evolved in parallel to Greece, they arose amidst the Latin tribes and the Etruscans to the north with minimal but relevant contacts with the Greeks. This changes drastically after the Roman conquest of Greece, while Rome is still Rome they bring philosophers, artists, architects, scientists, and doctors into Rome to take advantage of Greek ingenuity. Syncretism is the watchword here, the Romans syncretized Greek culture with Roman culture, religion, and political institutions, giving us the Rome most people think of.
Funny enough you imply the Romans were more libertine but that was most certainly not the case, the Bacchanalia was a special case and considered rather scandalous and even a threat to public welfare, they were very conservative in the light of day. Greece on the other hand was radically more libertine, depending on which city-state we're looking at. For example homosexuality in Greece was a bit more acceptable, as opposed to Rome where only being on top was acceptable and even then it was a bit distasteful. Hadrian I believe was called the "Greekling" for his tastes, not that he would've been offended lol
Lol The Romans are indoctrination personified
Dionysia, bacchanalia 1000 years before Rome.
@@chumpzilla30 Rome was founded in the 8th or 7th century BCE, the Dionysia, at least the city portion of it, began in the 6th century BCE
@@theeccentrictripper3863 I never thought of tyrant Rome as "Rome ", but ok. And I meant the ritual, not the city. As it's a bronze age ritual, that's where I got 1000.
Marcus was a super fascinating guy and super prolific! Incredible human, incredible time period in our human history
Why
Love this conversation amazing work Joe!
I had a professor literally break down and cry during her lecture on Marcus Aurelius. It was surreal.
Joe's vast knowledge he has acquired over this long on the podcast makes me see how intelligent and understanding he's become and now I just feel like I'm stupid because all this shit he puts up amazes me haha
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We are such narcissists we are so quick to judge people from the past as if we are superior, yet everything we have is because of the hard work from the past.
That's mainly ignorance not narcisism. If you know the facts and you're well read and still judge in that way, well that's narcisism i would say.
Ignorance is a hell of a drug.
“Northerners know nothing at all about Slavery. They think it is perpetual bondage only. They have no conception of the depth of degradation involved in that word, SLAVERY; if they had, they would never cease their efforts until so horrible a system was overthrown.”
― Harriet Ann Jacobs
They knew enough about it to overthrow the system - one that had reigned for centuries through every tribe, people and continent. Unfortunately still occurs in some places. Appears there's no limit to what humans will do to one another.
Yea Maryland knew nothing about Slavery.
Read the meditations when I was 20 and beginning a self discovery. Loved it and can’t explain how grateful
That “uummm” that joes doe’s at 3:25 is the ultimate complement!
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Meditations by Marcus Aurelius is pretty good
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Meditations is incredible. (Marcus Aurelius was Roman not Greek btw)
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Always good when Marcus Aurelius gets some more attention
Somebody needs to clip 1:36:00-1:39:00 of this ep. It was gold
Fun fact….Did you know Aurelius was on poppy seed juice ( Theriac) supplements durning the time he writes meditations.
I love this obsession with psychedelics. Truth is, the ergot fungus unaltered will not make you trip. It was also present in a lot of things back then, along with a lot of other fungi, bacteria, etc. No refrigeration, no antibiotics, naturally fungi and bacteria quickly formed on things exposed to air, heat, and moisture, which would have been everything. Not surprising ergot was found, it was actually common back then because the grains were not treated to prevent it from growing. I dig the psychedelic revolution going on right now, but there are other explanations as well. The discovery of ergot in pottery doesn’t in and of itself “prove” anything (yet).
Marcus Aurelius literally changed my life... My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
This gived me the chiils... Powerful.
Dr Saad is one of my favorite guests
A quote worth more than its words, in my opinion, is from Seneca, "We suffer more in imagination than in reality."
Joe will find any possible way to correlate profound historical achivements and insights to some sort of psychoactive compound. Not everybody was tripping dude, chill.
except the greeks were most definitely tripping
@@eljha6943 I guarantee you most were not.
@@eodyn7 Obviously most weren’t . Same with us . most people aren’t using psychedelics. But the great thinkers of that time certainly were. Look into their mystery schools
Sounds like you need some psychedelics my guy lol plus you gotta remember no type of electronics, primitive forms of entertainment the only thing to do back then other than work was to get drunk and do drugs.