Rule of Evidence 954: Under these circumstances, courts say that “the sins of the attorney must not be visited on the client so long as the client has acted reasonably in its belief that its counsel is, in fact, an attorney.” Some jurisdictions say that attorney-client privilege applies under these circumstances only if the client’s belief was reasonable. US vs Tyler: 745 F. Supp. 423 (W.D. Mich. 1990)
Sounds..... Reasonable. It seems like a no-brainer question really. The protection comes from assumption on the clients side. It might be different if common for every attorney to show their license, but it definitely isn't. All the average public goes off of is their word.
I worked for a Texas state law maker for years. I learned that in the Hispanic community in my part of the state, there are people who present themselves as "abogados" and give legal advice, although they are not licensed attorneys. I encountered them in mainly immigration cases. The clients did not understand the difference between someone licensed to practice law in the US and someone who just helped fill out paperwork.
Scammers do it in their communities with taxes as well. Even if the person is not here legally, they are required to file tax returns if working. Many in the communities follow this law but still fear mainstream tax preparers. The scammers usually get to them through use of the term or meeting victims at iglesias.
If i may explain “abogado” means lawyer in spanish. So, it might be prudent to clarify that on all spanish speaking countries, a person that studied and graduated from law school are lawyers or abogados (spanish)
A few weeks ago a guy was seen questioning jurors out in the hall. Judge Boyd was asking him why. The guy claimed he was a federal employee. Judge continued to question him and the guy was sketchy. He said he did have case so the clerk took his details and then the judge had the bailiff escort the guy out of the court house. The female defense attorney today was in the court when the incident happened a few weeks ago.. She then said to the judge that she was currently looking into some visits that her client had gotten from a guy claiming to be an attorney and she wondered if it were the same guy. The judge said that she had told the bailiff to take a picture of the guy before removing him from the courthouse and said she should get a copy of the picture for her investigations. I guess now we know that this so called federal employee was a fake.
Glad I'm not the only one not sleeping. It's storming here in Kentucky. Good snuggle down weather. Love Judge Boyd. Her statements are always so well thought out and insightful.
I live in Kentucky. Live in Nicholasville, work in Lexington/nich/Versailles/Winchester/Wilmore. The storms here are excellent. Been a nice steady rain all night.
Aww Mike, don't say you have nothing. Everyone loves Judge Boyd ( Stephanie not Melissa) and so a video like this where she yet again sets the bar with her fairness, kindness, common sense and professionalism is like an umbrella on a rainy day, an oasis in the dessert. Thanks for showing it, its gold.
It's sad that the judge had to bring up the attorney-client privilege and that the prosecution shouldn't see anything until that's made clear. The defense attorney should have been right on top of that.
What's really odd is the defense attorney was trying to say that it wouldn't be privileged which is Bonkers from a defense point of view. A defense attorney that's good would have brought it up, not the judge.
Boy, Judge Boyd has to lead this defense attorney by the hand to the conclusion that she shouldn't be sharing this information too freely with the prosecutor yet!! She should have picked up on that immediately and fought to keep it away from the prosecution until it's clear that they're allowed to have it.
Yeah I was surprised when the defense attorney said "well it's probably not privileged." Even if that's what she thinks she should be saying "Well judge I need time to do research and until we've got more information and made our motions we should treat the information as privileged, because if we don't and realize we should have it will do irreparable harm to my client, whereas there's effectively no harm to the state if we wait for a future ruling to release it to them."
@@Vaelosh466 Yes, exactly. *They don't know yet,* and until they know exactly what her client does and doesn't have a right to, she has no business giving away anything.
I kmow! I was flabbergasted by that. She was literally saying it wouldn't be privileged which is Bonkers from a defense attorney point of view. As a defense attorney you don't want anybody seeing shit your client said to anybody as much as possible.
Judge Boyd arrived at a very thoughtful handling of the issue. On a policy level, it makes sense to recognize the attorney-client privilege existing if the client (suspect, defendant) reasonably believes that the person holding themselves out as a lawyer is a lawyer. Otherwise, an unscrupulous prosecutor or just some unscrupulous person could elicit damaging statements from a defendant or suspect by pretending to be that person's lawyer.
I was just thinking that myself. The friend or relative of a LEO or DA pretends to be the defendant's lawyer, and gets all the dirt on the case. Totally not cool.
There's a potentially much bigger problem. There appears to be recordings of conversations that took place between someone who identified himself as a Defendant's attorney and the Defendant.
@seantimmons5900 So, the problem being *addressed* in the video is determining whether these conversations would be considered privileged. Does attorney/client privilege apply when one party isn't actually an attorney? The problem that this person is bringing up is that a person's conversations with their attorney is considered privileged. It's my understanding that they're not allowed to be recorded to begin with. I don't know. Maybe the jails can't just turn off the recording and they simply get marked as attorney calls and don't get monitored.
@PitifulDelay Oh! No idea how I didn't catch that. I wild figure one of two things... she didn't tell the staff she was a lawyer or they couldn't turn off audio. I would hope it's the former because the latter could lead to serious shenanigans.
Sometimes interesting is good too. This was the learning part I guess. And everybody loves Judge Boyd. So while “it gets worse” is fun, and “deez nutz” can’t be rivaled this was interesting and I enjoyed it anyway
Hi from Australia, I might be wrong, but I think this may involve that weird guy in the grey 3 piece suit that Judge Boyd kicked out of the court house a few weeks ago🤔🤔❤️❤️🇦🇺🇦🇺
Most of you dont know this but Mike's "secret location" is in Aruba where he's doing some "sensitive" financial transactions on special appearance for the natural human on the land non-corporate non-all-caps Mike.
This is an interesting legal bind I had not pondered. Being in Canada, the precedents will differ. In a general sense, if somebody come forward as legal counsel but was not, the client could say ‘too much’. Not a flashy video but interesting.
California: An attorney is anyone duly licensed to practice law in California-OR anyone the client reasonably believes is an attorney. So, for example, if you share confidential information about your case with someone claiming to be an attorney who ends up not being licensed, that person is still bound by the attorney-client privilege.
@laninthomasma8814 Good joke, but more seriously ... A licensed attorney can face professional discipline up to and including disbarment for violating attorney-client privilege. What does the person in a case like that, who isn't an actual attorney but is bound by the privilege, catch for violating it?
All right Mike where did that calm and rational discussion come from? I expected bodies piled high and screaming and yelling! Not this calm example of the Law.
I love Judge Boyd. She's one of those good ones. I would say that, if the defendant believed in good faith that this person was an attorney, then the communications should be covered by attorney-client privilege. Unfortunately, the Law and Justice are currently going through a very messy divorce in this country. (Anybody requoting that, please credit me, as it's original.)
I love judge boyd, she is tough but fair! She seems to have a good relationship with her staff. I want to watch the movies they talk about. A question her " twilight of my life" comments though! Lol
But detectives also lie (allowed to)...if one has "reviewed" any of the questionable material and even slightly thinks he understands it - TOSS IT! Period!
The sins of the attorney shall not be visited on the client is a rule granted, and up front I am not a lawyer, don’t even play one on tv, however, what if the person he spoke to thinking they were an attorney but really were not an attorney,;; would the client privilege also stand at that point ?
His attorney should have caught that. She was ready to let the state review them without even determining if he's entitled to privilege. Judge doing the defense attorney's job.
Someone in the comments already explained in detail what happened at an earlier date, but if anyone is interested, courtcamtv actually has the video from the day they found this man talking to the jurors and set off this ripple effect.
How often do you come across someone with a Hispanic surname named Fraulein? I suspect that someone's grandfather escaped from Germany to South America after the war.
I'm 14+ minutes into watching this. So far the only word I've heard the defendant say was, "Si," after which his interpreter was introduced and sworn in. And the rest of the video has been the judge, the defense attorney, and the state attorney carrying on a conversation in English while the translator and the defendant stand meekly silent. Which.. good choice for the defendant to stand mute, but shouldn't the translator have been participating? Some of the conversation was on the record, and some was off the record, but all of it pertained to him. [Edit: if I had watched just a little longer before commenting, I'd have realized the defendant was wearing headphones and the translator was quietly interpreting for him the whole time.]
The defendant is holding a device and has headphones. He is likely holding a translator device/phone but YES the translator should be actively translating so that is in the record.
I found this to be interesting as well when I was watching it live. It would be nice to know your thoughts on what happens in the matter of a person acting like a attorney when clearly they are not
I would think along the lines of what the judge is thinking that if the defendant reasonably believes the person they are speaking to is their attorney, then there is a reasonable assumption that anything discussed is privileged. And the prosecution would not be entitled to that information.
I wonder if this is a random person who just showed up to the jail and wanted to speak to them? Or how did they know them? This was weird. Glad we don't have to wait too long for a follow up
@@xxskizzumxx The idea of a crime boss sending someone to 'advise' the defendant also comes to mind. Admittedly, a television drama-induced thought...
Are we absolutely sure that he hasn't been sentenced to some type of community service hours or a minimum security facility where he has to serve and has worked out a deal for weekends so he can still work? I'm not saying maybe he broke the law, but maybe lost a bet?
So if you’re on the jail phone and you accidentally spill the beans, do you get to claim that you thought it was your lawyer even if it wasn’t a lawyer? 🤔
If there’s an uncoerced confession, attorney client privilege distorts the ability to convict the guilty by prioritizing the ‘innocence’ of the defendant over the confession, which defeats the purpose of law and punishment. I know it happens all the time, just my layman’s frustration.
Sounds to me like they handled that completely wrong. First the ag should have had a taint team set up to listen. He should have never watched them. Second, this judge will have to recuse herself if she listens to the tapes. Another judge should have been tapped to review them for potential atty client privs.
I feel like anyone other than his current attorney isn’t cool. Because ANY insight into a potential crime can’t be unheard or forgotten. That’s just thought. The state is always looking for something.
yes it was his name is Henry Berrocal the last name you heard the female defense attorney mentions his name at time stamp “11:43” refers to him as Mr. Berrocal
My son almost was jailed because of his lawyer.. he was compliant with the court and at the end.a plea deal was made.. no jail time.. but the lawyer kept trying to present the case..my son even told the lawyer to stop. .I hope the lawyer either quit or got fired.. He charged him 12,000.. ..the deal 2as 10,000.. .. but he kept asking for more.. The bad part is he did zero work legally to earn that much.. Between my son and his ex wife got all evidence . All witnesses I mean the lawyer showed up once and almost got him prison time. Not because of the crime.. But the lawyers actions
I think if the person said they were a licensed attorney then it absolutely needs to be treated as attorney client privilege. It is the only fair ruling.
if someone says they are a lawyer, into views someone that has committed a crime, wouldn't that come into charges of practicing law without a liscence?
Odd legal question for this, if I'm understanding this discussion, it's multiple lawyers, ones from each client on this multiple defendant case that's going to listen to these video discussions... wouldn't that give the other lawyers more information/leverage knowing the defense of one of the defendants? Or are the multiple lawyers all for this one defendant?
Don't apologize I found it educational! How they handle the language barriers, 0 Documents that need transcribed before either side could read them and I am waiting to see shsy they do with the rake attorney! Also why he did that!
Can the person who presented himself as a lawyer be charged with something? Or did the young man just assume he was talking to an attorney?😕Too early for me🙂 Thanks, Mike
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judge Boyd is starting to be one of my favorite's to watch
She's terrific. Runs a tight ship but cares about everyone involved in every case.
Every time I see a Judge Boyd clip, I look to see whether I've seen today's handbag before. Hasn't happened yet.
@@Tindometari ha ha me too. I watch her daily. Always something good coming from her court room
“Here’s the thing….”
@Tindometari OMG ME TOO!!! she must have a 1000xs I've started trying to guess the flavor of the week
Judge Boyd is so careful about not violating anyone's rights. She is awesome
So judgey.
I love her mode. She will not tolerate shenanigans from either side.
Rule of Evidence 954: Under these circumstances, courts say that “the sins of the attorney must not be visited on the client so long as the client has acted reasonably in its belief that its counsel is, in fact, an attorney.” Some jurisdictions say that attorney-client privilege applies under these circumstances only if the client’s belief was reasonable.
US vs Tyler: 745 F. Supp. 423 (W.D. Mich. 1990)
Unless of course the cartel is involved
@@MarianBaney-fj1zk wow.
Sounds..... Reasonable.
It seems like a no-brainer question really. The protection comes from assumption on the clients side. It might be different if common for every attorney to show their license, but it definitely isn't. All the average public goes off of is their word.
Good comment, thank you for the insight.
Ah, a scholar.😊
I'm dangerously close to learning something here. You're on thin ice, Gravlin!
I worked for a Texas state law maker for years. I learned that in the Hispanic community in my part of the state, there are people who present themselves as "abogados" and give legal advice, although they are not licensed attorneys. I encountered them in mainly immigration cases. The clients did not understand the difference between someone licensed to practice law in the US and someone who just helped fill out paperwork.
So these abogados, do they present themselves as Spanish? In such a case could you call them.....Abogados from mexico!" Ba dum tiss
@@thomasb7347 what
Scammers do it in their communities with taxes as well. Even if the person is not here legally, they are required to file tax returns if working. Many in the communities follow this law but still fear mainstream tax preparers. The scammers usually get to them through use of the term or meeting victims at iglesias.
It's pretty laughable how gullible they are. Go to SCIENTOLOGY AUDIT and you'll see they SPECIFICALLY target that community. I wonder why 😂
If i may explain “abogado” means lawyer in spanish. So, it might be prudent to clarify that on all spanish speaking countries, a person that studied and graduated from law school are lawyers or abogados (spanish)
Fascinating discussion. Judge Boyd is crystal clear.
A few weeks ago a guy was seen questioning jurors out in the hall. Judge Boyd was asking him why. The guy claimed he was a federal employee. Judge continued to question him and the guy was sketchy. He said he did have case so the clerk took his details and then the judge had the bailiff escort the guy out of the court house.
The female defense attorney today was in the court when the incident happened a few weeks ago.. She then said to the judge that she was currently looking into some visits that her client had gotten from a guy claiming to be an attorney and she wondered if it were the same guy. The judge said that she had told the bailiff to take a picture of the guy before removing him from the courthouse and said she should get a copy of the picture for her investigations.
I guess now we know that this so called federal employee was a fake.
Thank you for the info!!!
I was wondering if this was about that guy!
So it was the same guy.
Ah, I was hoping we would find out more about that one.
OMG this is THAT GUY???
Glad I'm not the only one not sleeping. It's storming here in Kentucky. Good snuggle down weather. Love Judge Boyd. Her statements are always so well thought out and insightful.
I am in perth Australia with temps in the high 30°c and upto 44°c, omw its hot
I'm from Kentucky; I miss the thunderstorms. 😢
I live in Kentucky. Live in Nicholasville, work in Lexington/nich/Versailles/Winchester/Wilmore.
The storms here are excellent. Been a nice steady rain all night.
It just means him & his team works when a lot of others sleep, my theory is that they're cyborgs taking ovr jk
Gladstone, Oregon. Just wind and rain. 😂
It was a nice surprise to get this so early on a Saturday morning. Almost shirt weather in Ontario. Love this show.
Awww thank you
Same here in Wisconsin
I’m loving our early spring summer weather in Ontario.
Must be nice to live in Canada. Can a 37-yr-old get adopted? 🙏🏼
It may not have gotten worse like everyone wanted but I think this was really interesting. I would love to know what happens.
I'm still asleep but my subconscious decided to watch this pronto.
Aww Mike, don't say you have nothing. Everyone loves Judge Boyd ( Stephanie not Melissa) and so a video like this where she yet again sets the bar with her fairness, kindness, common sense and professionalism is like an umbrella on a rainy day, an oasis in the dessert. Thanks for showing it, its gold.
No temper tantrums or chair throwing?? What kind of court is this???😂😂
The defendant didn’t even inadvertently confess to other felonies. Why even have court?
Perhaps he's only a freeman of the sea.
@@seantimmons5900
Live your phrase!
Have a virtual cookie.
Another satisfying episode with Judge Boyd.. thanks Mike
It's sad that the judge had to bring up the attorney-client privilege and that the prosecution shouldn't see anything until that's made clear. The defense attorney should have been right on top of that.
What's really odd is the defense attorney was trying to say that it wouldn't be privileged which is Bonkers from a defense point of view. A defense attorney that's good would have brought it up, not the judge.
@@Mewse1203yeah its crazy - I wouldn’t want her defending me
Boy, Judge Boyd has to lead this defense attorney by the hand to the conclusion that she shouldn't be sharing this information too freely with the prosecutor yet!! She should have picked up on that immediately and fought to keep it away from the prosecution until it's clear that they're allowed to have it.
Yeah I was surprised when the defense attorney said "well it's probably not privileged." Even if that's what she thinks she should be saying "Well judge I need time to do research and until we've got more information and made our motions we should treat the information as privileged, because if we don't and realize we should have it will do irreparable harm to my client, whereas there's effectively no harm to the state if we wait for a future ruling to release it to them."
@@Vaelosh466 Yes, exactly. *They don't know yet,* and until they know exactly what her client does and doesn't have a right to, she has no business giving away anything.
I kmow! I was flabbergasted by that. She was literally saying it wouldn't be privileged which is Bonkers from a defense attorney point of view. As a defense attorney you don't want anybody seeing shit your client said to anybody as much as possible.
Judge Boyd arrived at a very thoughtful handling of the issue. On a policy level, it makes sense to recognize the attorney-client privilege existing if the client (suspect, defendant) reasonably believes that the person holding themselves out as a lawyer is a lawyer. Otherwise, an unscrupulous prosecutor or just some unscrupulous person could elicit damaging statements from a defendant or suspect by pretending to be that person's lawyer.
I was just thinking that myself. The friend or relative of a LEO or DA pretends to be the defendant's lawyer, and gets all the dirt on the case. Totally not cool.
I am not sure how the interpreter was doing it but I have never seen a quicker dual-language hearing in my life.
Mind-blowing how fast the interpreter is going if that's real time.
@@pendragon3434 Agreed
Ikr. 😂😂
Oh that was fascinating. A question of law. Judge Boyd is so wise and considerate. This was a great video!
There's a potentially much bigger problem. There appears to be recordings of conversations that took place between someone who identified himself as a Defendant's attorney and the Defendant.
Good catch!
Where exactly did these recordings come from though?
Am I missing something? I thought that was the problem as stated in the video. Not sure why it's much bigger while being what it is?
@seantimmons5900 So, the problem being *addressed* in the video is determining whether these conversations would be considered privileged. Does attorney/client privilege apply when one party isn't actually an attorney?
The problem that this person is bringing up is that a person's conversations with their attorney is considered privileged. It's my understanding that they're not allowed to be recorded to begin with.
I don't know. Maybe the jails can't just turn off the recording and they simply get marked as attorney calls and don't get monitored.
@PitifulDelay Oh! No idea how I didn't catch that. I wild figure one of two things... she didn't tell the staff she was a lawyer or they couldn't turn off audio. I would hope it's the former because the latter could lead to serious shenanigans.
I love waking up to LTwM content on a weekend!
Sometimes interesting is good too. This was the learning part I guess. And everybody loves Judge Boyd. So while “it gets worse” is fun, and “deez nutz” can’t be rivaled this was interesting and I enjoyed it anyway
Just seeing Judge Boyd was delightful! Seeing you, Mike , was delightful! Great way to start a Saturday morning!!
Hi from Australia, I might be wrong, but I think this may involve that weird guy in the grey 3 piece suit that Judge Boyd kicked out of the court house a few weeks ago🤔🤔❤️❤️🇦🇺🇦🇺
Judge Boyd is my favorite !!!
Most of you dont know this but Mike's "secret location" is in Aruba where he's doing some "sensitive" financial transactions on special appearance for the natural human on the land non-corporate non-all-caps Mike.
I am suing you for attempted murder! That almost made me choke to death on my mac & cheese! 😉 🤣
Er, that would be :mike: ::flamingo-father:: of thee family ::gravlin::, thank you.
😂😂😂
I always enjoy Judge Boyd, she tries to cover all the bases.
Judge, you have the most beautiful flowers and vases. I bet your garden is something to behold.❤
She says they are mostly from her mother. Judge Boyd does not buy any.
This was a good palate cleanser for D's Nuts. LOL
This is an interesting legal bind I had not pondered. Being in Canada, the precedents will differ. In a general sense, if somebody come forward as legal counsel but was not, the client could say ‘too much’. Not a flashy video but interesting.
What a nice way to wake up!
California: An attorney is anyone duly licensed to practice law in California-OR anyone the client reasonably believes is an attorney. So, for example, if you share confidential information about your case with someone claiming to be an attorney who ends up not being licensed, that person is still bound by the attorney-client privilege.
So do we know what happened in this case? Did someone try to act like they were his attorney to get a confession?
@laninthomasma8814 lul
@laninthomasma8814 Good joke, but more seriously ...
A licensed attorney can face professional discipline up to and including disbarment for violating attorney-client privilege. What does the person in a case like that, who isn't an actual attorney but is bound by the privilege, catch for violating it?
They just all have to pretend that they aren’t now aware that the guys totally guilty.
A Lucy-with-the-football moment.
It’s 5:34 right now in CA Nd just had to wake up to watch this!😢😂
Judge Boyd is so fare my most favourite judge ❤
Judge Boyd for President
Judge Boyd always leaves her handbag on the counter, visible to the camera. Love it
All right Mike where did that calm and rational discussion come from?
I expected bodies piled high and screaming and yelling!
Not this calm example of the Law.
I love Judge Boyd. She's one of those good ones. I would say that, if the defendant believed in good faith that this person was an attorney, then the communications should be covered by attorney-client privilege. Unfortunately, the Law and Justice are currently going through a very messy divorce in this country. (Anybody requoting that, please credit me, as it's original.)
Love judge Boyd! No nonsense
I love judge boyd, she is tough but fair! She seems to have a good relationship with her staff. I want to watch the movies they talk about. A question her " twilight of my life" comments though! Lol
Bag Lady. 🎒 on top of bag fashion is the Judge
But detectives also lie (allowed to)...if one has "reviewed" any of the questionable material and even slightly thinks he understands it - TOSS IT! Period!
The sins of the attorney shall not be visited on the client is a rule granted, and up front I am not a lawyer, don’t even play one on tv, however, what if the person he spoke to thinking they were an attorney but really were not an attorney,;; would the client privilege also stand at that point ?
So, did Beth Bridgman go down to Texas to represent this fellow? 😄
... disguised as a man - she's growing her brand and branching out.
The kid looks like a young Tony Montana
Who is that?
Interesting predicament.
I feel it should still be client-attorney privilege. It’s not the defendants fault.
I am not a lawyer, but I think privilege should attach or everything the defendant said in confidence would be open for anybody to review.
He can speak English just fine. See, Si, Sea, C
His attorney should have caught that. She was ready to let the state review them without even determining if he's entitled to privilege. Judge doing the defense attorney's job.
Someone in the comments already explained in detail what happened at an earlier date, but if anyone is interested, courtcamtv actually has the video from the day they found this man talking to the jurors and set off this ripple effect.
I think this was interesting, if not 🤪 🙂. You didn’t warn us we’d learn something so: fail! 😂
That woke me up!!!!!!
good morning hope you enjoy your time off grid!! We will miss ya!
Wow. I thought I had to get up early on this Saturday…❤
How often do you come across someone with a Hispanic surname named Fraulein?
I suspect that someone's grandfather escaped from Germany to South America after the war.
German migration to Mexico goes back farther than that. There's a reason Mexican beer is lagers.
I'm 14+ minutes into watching this. So far the only word I've heard the defendant say was, "Si," after which his interpreter was introduced and sworn in. And the rest of the video has been the judge, the defense attorney, and the state attorney carrying on a conversation in English while the translator and the defendant stand meekly silent. Which.. good choice for the defendant to stand mute, but shouldn't the translator have been participating? Some of the conversation was on the record, and some was off the record, but all of it pertained to him. [Edit: if I had watched just a little longer before commenting, I'd have realized the defendant was wearing headphones and the translator was quietly interpreting for him the whole time.]
The defendant is holding a device and has headphones. He is likely holding a translator device/phone but YES the translator should be actively translating so that is in the record.
If this loophole works I am getting my fake attorney license ASAP.
Judy Boyd is a good bless lady,🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️🇲🇽
I found this to be interesting as well when I was watching it live. It would be nice to know your thoughts on what happens in the matter of a person acting like a attorney when clearly they are not
Meanwhile there is another part that has the so called attorney shows up in front of the judge
Good morning have a great day. It is 3:12 am Saturday morning..
I wonder if that person that claims to be that guy's "attorney" is 🌶️ Decastro.😁
Love this judge
When will she rule on the Bee Bee matter?
The fact that the female attorney wasn't automatically all about trying to keep those away from the prosecutor is kind of Bonkers.
Is there an update on this case
Mike you and Artie need to do a live. To go over the Brianna Kingsley saga
Very interesting circumstances
Boyd's aphorisms get on my nerves!
I would think along the lines of what the judge is thinking that if the defendant reasonably believes the person they are speaking to is their attorney, then there is a reasonable assumption that anything discussed is privileged. And the prosecution would not be entitled to that information.
I wonder if this is a random person who just showed up to the jail and wanted to speak to them? Or how did they know them? This was weird. Glad we don't have to wait too long for a follow up
Maybe witness tampering
I'm assuming a family member of the victim, trying to get a confession
@@xxskizzumxx The idea of a crime boss sending someone to 'advise' the defendant also comes to mind. Admittedly, a television drama-induced thought...
Thanks 😊
The one night I slept 3 hours straight
I feel you. Sleep is a distant cousin for me too. 🙁😴
I think she’s a good and fair judge, just a little too preachy at times.
I just can’t pass up a Judge Stephanie Boyd video!
So is Mike in Florida or the slopes of Vermont
I got five he’s on an island
Superbowl weekend?
Are we absolutely sure that he hasn't been sentenced to some type of community service hours or a minimum security facility where he has to serve and has worked out a deal for weekends so he can still work? I'm not saying maybe he broke the law, but maybe lost a bet?
So if you’re on the jail phone and you accidentally spill the beans, do you get to claim that you thought it was your lawyer even if it wasn’t a lawyer? 🤔
If there’s an uncoerced confession, attorney client privilege distorts the ability to convict the guilty by prioritizing the ‘innocence’ of the defendant over the confession, which defeats the purpose of law and punishment. I know it happens all the time, just my layman’s frustration.
Please help! Does anyone have the link to the creator of Mike's awesome music 🎶please? I need it 😄 thank you
So what is he accused of doing? Can't find it here.
Sounds to me like they handled that completely wrong. First the ag should have had a taint team set up to listen. He should have never watched them.
Second, this judge will have to recuse herself if she listens to the tapes. Another judge should have been tapped to review them for potential atty client privs.
The judge literally says all she's going to listen to is if the guy represents himself as an attorney and then stop right there.
So a SovSit representing himself can sue his all-caps self for not being a real lawyer?
I feel like anyone other than his current attorney isn’t cool. Because ANY insight into a potential crime can’t be unheard or forgotten. That’s just thought. The state is always looking for something.
I wonder if this mystery attorney was the same person that was kicked out of her court and spoiled the jury....
I think so because the female attorney was there that day addressing a situation with what she thought was that guy
yes it was his name is Henry Berrocal the last name you heard the female defense attorney mentions his name at time stamp “11:43” refers to him as Mr. Berrocal
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My son almost was jailed because of his lawyer.. he was compliant with the court and at the end.a plea deal was made.. no jail time.. but the lawyer kept trying to present the case..my son even told the lawyer to stop. .I hope the lawyer either quit or got fired.. He charged him 12,000.. ..the deal 2as 10,000.. .. but he kept asking for more.. The bad part is he did zero work legally to earn that much.. Between my son and his ex wife got all evidence . All witnesses I mean the lawyer showed up once and almost got him prison time. Not because of the crime.. But the lawyers actions
This is what happens to you when you don't put "I am not an attorney" at the end of your opinions on legal matters. However, I am not an attorney.
I think if the person said they were a licensed attorney then it absolutely needs to be treated as attorney client privilege. It is the only fair ruling.
if someone says they are a lawyer, into views someone that has committed a crime, wouldn't that come into charges of practicing law without a liscence?
Odd legal question for this, if I'm understanding this discussion, it's multiple lawyers, ones from each client on this multiple defendant case that's going to listen to these video discussions... wouldn't that give the other lawyers more information/leverage knowing the defense of one of the defendants? Or are the multiple lawyers all for this one defendant?
Any update from March 4?
Anyone know what Judge Boyd ruled on the interviews?
Ladys first name is FRAULEIN!!!? U GOT TO BE KIDDING. So her name is pretty much "Mrs." 😅😅😊😊
Don't apologize I found it educational! How they handle the language barriers, 0
Documents that need transcribed before either side could read them and I am waiting to see shsy they do with the rake attorney! Also why he did that!
Does this attorney understand. Look into the case law.
Can the person who presented himself as a lawyer be charged with something? Or did the young man just assume he was talking to an attorney?😕Too early for me🙂 Thanks, Mike
I think it's a charge of practicing law without a license. You can represent yourself in court, but no one else can.
That was the only charge I could think of. I'm not sure how this situation came about.@@Horchata_and_tacos
Good morning! And a great weekend. Mike, do you ever drink pop as my best friend from Chi-town says ?😊.