224 Valkyrie, Groups and Velocities!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Here are the results from the first trip out with the Uintah Precision UPR-15 chambered in 224 Valkyrie. The UPR 15 is an AR-15 bolt action Upper that swaps with the push of two pins onto any standard AR-15 lower. But this rifle has the added accuracy benefits of a bolt action. Ammunition used is Federals current line of available 224 Valkyrie which includes the American Eagle 75 grain FMJ. The fusion 90 grain soft point and the federal premium loaded with the Sierra 90 grain match king. All groups at 100 yards from a bench with a Bipod and rear sand bag.
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I know how you measure your groups bc I watch and like your videos regularly. But perhaps you could call your particular measurement system WDS (or whatever) instead of and to differentiate it from the usual MOA standard everyone else is accustomed to. Could also switch to MOA so we can compare apples to apples etc. or at least always mention the distance of the furthest spacing of shots in the groups and at what distance shot and we can do our own calculations.
It's a scaled down Creedmoor. I'd say it's shooting great for a new barrel. Next time out I would say you will get even better groups, now that it fouled and broke in a little. Go for the grand next, see what it will do.
It is a necked down 6.8 SPC
Lyndon Fisher both are designed to hold long bullets with long neck and a 30 degree shoulder. Comes from a 6.8 but case but end case design closer to a creedmoor.
Bolt action ar- 15 platform! I love it! Even looks bad ass!
This is the one I've been waiting for. I look forward to seeing you reload for the 224 Valkyrie
Thanks man, I’m hoping to get some dies within the next month and I should already have some Components on hand to throw a few together
Great video as always man!!
Very clever setup! Looking great.
4:10 - Ha! I'm not the only video producer with freaky fingers. Thanks for the video! It's nice to see how the ammo is printing.
Was looking into this round, however I get about the same kind of groups with my AR-15 pencil barrel in 223 with walmart bought crap.
This was my first outing with it. You can make any cartridge group better or worse. It’s about the ballistics that should make you decide on a caliber. The Valkyrie is better suited for magazine Fed long range with an AR
Good luck doing that past 300-400 yards
Looking forward to more testing video's. Good job.
This motivates me to get you my gun & ammo. You'll be amazed.
Whatever happen to the 22 grendel? Are you still working with it?
Nice set up..!
Thanks dude, I’m waiting for the day when you build a bolt gun for a customer in Valkyrie.
Nice shooting.
Please, if you can, compare the 75 or 77 grain .223 to your comparable .224 Valkyrie. Why? Is it worth the cost to build a .224 Valkyrie.
Like that Bolt AR-15. Well be watchin for that range time shootin.
Looks like you made a nice purchase
I think you should do all of those distances with that 224 so we can see the whole truth about that round...keep up the good love the video
I will definitely stretch its legs and see how it does! Of course I’ll share with everyone here too
Good shooting hope the groups getting smaller
Good start on a shooter!
I think so! Thanks buddy
Very nice UPR-15, but UPR-10, I love it! I may get the UPR-15 in 6.5 Grendel next year if I can get one with a 24" barrel. The AR-15 in 6.5 Grendel I have has a 24" barrel (match). Keep Shooting, my friend.
You should be able to get that barrel length in Grendel! Sounds like a great combo man!
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Once the .22 Grendel takes off, the Valk will fade away. Obtw.......... .22 Creedmoor is here too. 22 Valk days are numbered. Too many better options out there for a wildcat.
But the Valkyrie isn’t a wild cat. The 22 Grendel and 22 creed are
@@WestDesertShooter you can get commercial brass for the .22 creed. Alpha munitions is making it. "S" type bushing dies is all that's required for 22 grendel. Lapua and others also make grendel brass. If Lapua, Starline or Noma starts making Valk brass, it's going to around for awhile. If not, it's toast.
I agree there needs to be some brass upgrades made. I wish ADG would make some. The others are simple to make but no factory ammo exists which makes them wild cats. Also SAAMI has not made an exact dimension for people to follow yet. I have been trying to get my hands on a 22 Grendel from Jim Cannon but haven’t been able to meet up yet
@@workingr This comment didn't age very well. Starline was making brass before you even commented. Valkyrie is going to be around for a while.
@@workingr starline was making brass when you posted this. check johnnys reloading bench he was using starline and 3 more others back when you made this comment
Do you think the 1-7 22" 224V barrel stabilizes heavier bullets better than the 1-6.5? Have you tried both? Thanks! Using the Uintah upper......
I’m finishing up a Valkyrie bolt build with 7 twist proof barrel. I’m just a paper puncher out to 200 yds on my own personal range. What bullet are you having the best accuracy potential with short distance?
Quit average group concept. It's misleading and not comparable to how we all do it. It no longer means an moa group size anymore...
Looks very promising so far. Will be interesting to see what your going to be able to accomplish when reloading and stretching the barrel in this rifle.
Or is this just another manufacture's gun of the month club thing...😕
Good stuff, as allways.
Don’t worry man, this Upper is mine so there will be lots of content to come! Reloading shooting and more factory ammo testing.
Nice. Been thinking about a 224 upper. Way cheaper way to get into longer range than to invest in a 6.5 AR. Wonder how bad wind effects it? Could be a good quarter mile varmint round if the wind doesn’t push it too bad....
Hey man I’ve already got the comparison video filmed. It will be up Friday 👌🏼
Very interesting results. I'd be curious to see you try out the Federal Premium 60gr Nosler ballistic tip. Not something you would likely use at the range, but that's what I'll be using out in the west desert with my newly-built PSA 20" .224
I didn’t see any when I was looking. I would definitely like to try some just to see how it grouped. Never know when you might need some high velocity varmint poison!
I have a 224 in a 22 inch barrel 1.7 twist and it loves the 60 grain factory loads shoots under a inch group at 100 going to try 70 grain rdf in a few days
Which range do you use? I've been looking for a decent range out here. I know I can go out to the desert, but I don't want to drag a target stand out every time I want to go shoot
When you picked the 224 Valkyrie, did you consider 22-250? Just wondering how you decided on a varmint round. Very interested in your thoughts on this. I’m a big Tikka fan, and they are not chambering anything in 224 Valkyrie just yet.
Well Uintah Precision was releasing the brand new UPR-15 bolt action AR-15 upper and asked what I wanted it chambered in. Seemed like a great time to see what the Valkyrie was all about. 22-250 doesn’t fit through an AR-15 lower so that wasn’t really an option. Didn’t get it specific for varmint I actually shoot targets long range 98% of the time so that’s why I was interested in the Valkyrie.
I'd really like to see someone shoot a 6.5 twist barrel with the 90 grain SMK. To go the distance, some of those groups are going to need to tighten up. The vertical stringing could just be inconsistent velocities with off the shelf ammo. How did your brass look? Did you blow any primers?
Brass looks excellent man. With the bolt action it’s not getting ripped out. Not a single pressure sign not even close to blowing a primer. I just ordered some 95 SMKs to reload to see if they can fly straight. I have a video I’m editing now at 1,000 and 1300 Yards
West Desert Shooter I really like that upper. I didn't realize they made a bolt action that would fit on a lower like that. It kind of looks like a small Ruger Precision. Thanks for posting this btw, and doing the leg work. I have a 24" 6.5 twist barrel on order for a gas gun. On the fence on whether to run with it, or cancel and see where the dust settles on this cartridge.
Hearing rumors of loose primer pockets...did you see any loose primer pockets develop in the once fired 90 gr. SMK fed.?
Yep. Once fired factory and the pockets are crap
Too bad you didn't get the 60gr Ballistic Tip load that they started making first. So far, it's the best shooting load in the factory federal ammo.
Seems like any varmint bullet I’ve tried has shot lights out
West Desert Shooter not been my experience. I've had marginal luck with the V/Z-Max bullets from Hornady, and the Varminter series from Sierra. But the Ballistic Tips from Nosler have always shot great in my guns. I want to try out some Berger Varmint bullets also though, I've always used one form of their VLD bullets and never tried their Varmint bullets.
I really want you to compare it to the .223 and 6.5 and to find the true max effective range. I am going to be shooting mine which is a AR15 20” barrel next Friday out to 1,00 maybe 1,200 yards
Okay, what do you define as max effective range? Also ammo plays huge into that. From 130-147g 6.5CM or 69-80g 223 or even going with the 95 SMK or Berger in the Valkyrie so many variables man
West Desert Shooter curious how far away you can bang steel before hitting the transonic barrier. Federal claims that is 1,300 yards for their factory 90 SMK loading. No one has ever tested this in a video.
Yes ammo will play into that sort of test. I would say the comparison part of video at 1,000 yards. With what every bullet or load is most optimal for each cartridge would be fair if it will load in the magazine. I personally think loading in a magazine should be a factor.
Absolutely since that’s how all my guns are set up to run anyway. 1k sounds like a great test but man, if the wind picks up during a string for a cartridge it will totally change results for each cartridge. Basically a ballistics chart will tell you. Now I’ve gotten a real world velocity for the Valkyrie, Creedmoor and 223 we can look on paper at drop and wind drift
Can the Uintah uppers accept standard AR barrels and function by closing off the gas port (i.e. adjustable gas block) - assuming the bolt face matches the cartridge of ones choice? It's my understanding that (.224) Valkyrie and 6.8 SPC are the same. Just curious.
No, the bolt of the Uintah is a 3 lug design and is proprietary to their barrel extension. They do sell upper and bolt sets without barrels but it’s a special order and most of the cost is in the upper anyway it’s worth getting the barrel with it. The uppers do utilize standard barrels so if you ever need to replace one it’s easy to do.
West Desert Shooter, if the barrel replacement is as easy as an AR barrel replacement, it's worth giving a try. I've been searching for this upper concept for years. Can't believe more companies haven't done it prior to now.
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Here is a look at the swap on the UPR10 it’s the same concept here just shrunken down.
I guarantee you that your barrel has too much free bore. This is why your groups look the way they look. Measure you lands, re-seat the bullets between 0.010-0.015" from the lands and you will see a huge difference. If you measure the lands with 90SMK it should not exceed 2.281" OAL, if your chamber is within SAAMI. Anything above it, is unwanted free bore.
It may be just me - but ...
I watched your video three times while doing something else as well the first two times...
after the first two times I scanned the video a third time while paying close attention...
After viewing your video a third time I have no idea at what distance you were shooting ...
100 yards man lol sorry. Anytime I do paper accuracy testing it’s at 100 Yards just to keep it consistent. Sorry for not mentioning it but thanks for watching it again!
Reviewing a rifle that is not broken in yet is a little unfair for both velocity & precision. After 60-100 rounds and good cleaning and proper fouling would tell us a lot more
New viewer here. Well presented review of real world accuracy that most shooters, short of benchrest experts, can achieve. You are correct that changing bullet weights, even in the same brand of ammo, will cause inconsistent results, accuracy wise. If you want to give a more realistic view of grouping ability, suggest you clean your rifle whenever you try different weight projectiles, and fire 10 fouling shots, before shooting for group size. And it is true that your barrel will improve and become more consistent as it breaks in. I understand your method of measuring and averaging group sizes, but unfortunately, 99.9 percent of shooters are going to use the "center hole of the two furthest shots" method to measure group size, so that is going to skew your results. Not bashing or complaining, but I would expect any custom made barrel to shoot true MOA (center hole to center hole of the two outside shots) as a minimum average. By conventional group measurements, you currently have about a 1.75 - 1.5 MOA rifle, on average. You don't just take the best 4 shots out of 5 in a group, and one exceptional .55 inch group, does not mean you have a 1/2 MOA rifle. I know you have no control over how well the factory load performs in your particular rifle, and handloading will improve the accuracy, as you tailor a load to it. I like the concept of the Valkyrie for the AR 15 style gas guns, but in a bolt rifle, I don't think it offers, other than having factory loaded ammo, a performance advantage over a warm loaded .223 Ackley Improved, which has been used with 90 grain bullets for years for long distance shooting. Good luck, enjoyed the video, keep posting.
Federal’s velocity testing was in a 24” barrel
Very interesting. Makes me wonder if the gas system eats up 140 FPS of velocity
West Desert Shooter their test rifles do not have a gas system. There have been a lot reports of inconsistencies in velocities from federal, but every box I shoot I get great groups from. I don’t have a chronograph so can’t say but my CMT 24.5” barrel has no issues shooting any of the federal rounds.
@@chucktaylor6057 hi chuck, what do you consider a good group? Thanks
I bet a 77gr will shoot better with that twist.
I shot the 75g ammo and it was about on par with the 90
what was the weight on this once you attached it to your lower?
Not sure. I’ll get a weight and mention it in a future video
Been watching a bunch of these and the fusion is the worst round in all the videos! The Sierra match king 90 grain shot the most consistent groups!!
Are you in california? Cause your bolt action ar makes me sick...
West Desert Shooter what scope is that? I'm thinking of the Vortex Razor HD 5-20X50 FFP for my Valkyrie Build. Thanks.
What base do you use
What base are you referring to? The scope base or the shooting base? Scope base is a Burris one piece 30mm mount the scope has a 50mm objective and fits perfect 👌🏼
West Desert Shooter in your rifles In general 20 moa base
I’m in California
At almost $1100.00 , not affordable for me.
Can you hunt deer with that caliber
As long as your state doesn’t have a minimum caliber bigger that 22. It is a big enough bullet to drop a deer with a good shot at a reasonable distance
You need a better company for your guns