224 Valkyrie - 77gr SMK, 80gr ELD-M, 60gr B-Tip with 2000-MR
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- The search for accuracy with 224 Valkyrie continues. In this video I test Alliant Power Pro 200-MR with the 77gr Sierra Match King, the 80gr Hornady ELD Match, and the 60gr Nosler Ballistic Tip.
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Hello 6 yrs in the future , I don’t even have a 224 valk but I always learn something from jrb videos no matter how many times I watch
Here is my thought in the new Valkyrie barrels.... I think it caught a bunch of people off gaurd. The cartridge is designed around a 90 pill that needs a 1:6.5 twist or faster and there isn't a large supply of .224 barrel blanks in 6.5 or 6 twist out there. There are however a TON of 7 twist blanks that are used for 223 so a lot of the barrel finishers (WOA being one) probably are just cutting 224 Valkyrie out of them. I'd like to see how well a proper twist barrel shoots the 90 grain bullets but it would most likely be at a loss of the lighter bullets... maybe even a slightly longer throat so you can use the whole magazine, increase powder and maybe gain more velocity.
I honestly expected to see some excellent accuracy with these lighter bullets. If that was the case I would have been in total agreement with you. Until I work out some decent accuracy with lighter bullets I'm not going to blame the twist on poor heavy bullet accuracy, ya know? Still, I think 6.5 twist will end up being the preferred choice, especially with the new 95gr SMK. I'll get it figured out and be the first one to agree with you if you're right!
Johnny's Reloading Bench yup... The lighter bullets may like a different powder possibly. It's WAY too early to write it off yet for sure.
This article mentions 100 gn Fusion MSR:
www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/11/02/224-valkyrie-will-get-100gr-bullet-federal-premium-releases-official-data-loads/
@Joel Anthony Joel- Check out Palmetto State Armory. I just checked- they have them but unfortunately they are temporarily out of stock.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench You'll be getting into custum made bbls . Benchmark , bartlen, ect
If this is a systemic issue with the 224 V I am very glad I did not jump on this. Maybe time to put this to bed and get back to your AR-10s!
Chip Herrick I agree, the New Product Bugs are not at all worked out with this caliber.
The Savage MSR's in 224V seem to be getting really good accuracy. I think a lot of the parts manufatures are using regular 223 barrel blanks in a 1in7 twist and they need to be making 1in6 twist rates. Which really negates the use of lighter projectiles. That's why I think the 6.5.Grendel is a better cartridge cause it will stabalize 100gr to 140gr projectiles pretty well.
All of the 22N lemmings took a nose-dive off of the cliff. Will the 224V lemmings survive? Stay tuned to find out!!! ;-)
As of now, my 22N our shoots my 224 V
Interesting learning process on the Valkyrie reloading. Had some sizing problems a year ago, ( 223 ) learned my lesson. Now when I reload a batch I check the first few after a run through the die in an LE Wilson headspace gauge and in the chamber. I will then check a few about every 30 - 40.
MOA shooting a 77 gr sierra bthp at 3000 fps, I don't really see anything wrong with that. I bet that would take you to a grand no problem. I have a receiver set waiting to build a valkryie, your the first person to really show accuracy for this new round. I would like to see a solid copper round gmx , Barnes, swift!
Word is the 1/6 or 1/6.5 twist barrels are what is needed for the heavier bullets. Its bit of late breaking news as mostly it was 1/7 for the initial release.
Thanks for including mistakes and problems. Great video.
Regarding the case that would not chamber@ 15:00, I don't remember where I picked it up, but I make a practice of sizing, turn the case in the holder 1/4-1/3 turn and running through the sizer again. The second pass has little pressure, so I'm not overworking the brass.
It seems the person showing me that believed it led to more concentric cases. YMMV
One thing to consider, the neck portion of the die sizes the neck down slightly smaller than the diameter of the expander ball in the die. So when the case is drawn out of the die, the expander ball can....expand... the neck to the proper size. So to truly avoid overworking the brass in your case, I would be sure to lower the case just enough to clear the neck sizing portion and allow free rotation, but not lower the case enough to hit the expander ball. Then run it up again.
Patrick Ballensky I'm not sure if there's any basis in the practice, but it sure seems to soothe my OCD. 😁
Case stretching-- I have found that most case stretching happens from pulling the neck expanding button through the neck. It pulles the case with it. If you resize the case and the neck first and push the neck sizing button down through the top of the case mouth when expanding it you will see very little case stretching if any.
You should try the Scott satterlee method.. take 10 rounds ... Load them from say 27-28 going up by a point each shot.. them take your plateau or accuracy node and then shoot your 5 group shots with that load
Thank you for doing the hard work for us! Pretty impressed with the velocities you are getting out of an 18" barrel! I have a 24" CMMG barrel on order with rifle length gas. Hoping to shoot the 80 ELD-M well, as it's hard/if not impossible to find the heavy Sierras in my local shops. Looking forward to your work with other powder combos!
That 80g eld-m is pretty sweet looking
Interested to see how AR-Comp does along with 8208XMR on the heavier bullets. Great information your providing!
I see you hit the big time Johnny iv8888’s Chad mentions your channel brother
All right a Friday video.
I pulled some of my 75 TMJ bullets from Federal AE and replaced them with 75 grain Amax at different lengths.
I had some trigger difficulties that I attribute some of the horizontal spread too. My trigger was gunked up and the 34 degrees didn't help matters. This was causing the trigger to be very inconsistent with where the sear would brake. It's been cleaned and lubed now and back to its old self so I will retest 2.300-2.280" where it shot it's best. Also of note, with the longer seating depths I had less ejector prints on my case heads.
Even with the trigger issues I noted above it appears there is a node at or very near 22.8 & 23.2 grain of AC-Comp using 80 A-max. This powder was not able to reliably feed using my JP SCS H2 gen 2 buffer/spring combo, it would only push the BCG back enough to eject. Brass case heads were nice and clean, no ejector marks present. I'll try 22.8 & 23.2-23.4 again with my standard weight JP SCS. All groups were 5 shots, I had a couple one holers.
Great video! I ordered today a .224 Valkyrie Shillen 1-7 twist complete predator upper from WOA. They are out of stock so it may be 4-6 wks before I get it. Enough time for you to work an accuracy load for this cartridge bullet powder combination that may be useful for me during my load development. I love your videos because you show the setbacks and how you work through them. Thank you.
I hate to comment on such an old video, but I thought it was good. I appreciate your honest approach. I just bought an upper in 224 Valkyrie... 24 inch stainless, no taper. 1:7. So I was very intrigued by what you got.... I was personally thinking 75 grain bullets, but I guess we'll see....
Great vid Johnny. Great info.
I'm more impressed with your grendel performance.
It's s nice caliber I just can't get behind it. I really want it to do well. I think it's missing something and I can't put my finger on it. Specially when I know how well your grendel shoots. And how it's easy to get it to shoot well. But I'm a pure meat on the table kind of guy. Not a paper puncher.
I have the Alexander arms grendel upper and it shoots great I’m in love with it.
Go back and watch the first video with my 18" Faxon Grendel barrel. Accuracy was NOT AT ALL impressive. It took me some time to figure out what that barrel liked! So, you might want to keep an open mind at least for a couple more videos! :)
Johnny's Reloading Bench cool I'll do that. Thanks
But it goes subsonic at 800 .. 224v goes to 1300
I think a major issue here in grouping is jumping an entire grain between charges. I generally move 0.3 grains at a time. This can show substantial accuracy issues. Also with that heavy if bullets I would be looking to seat them at max COAL to take advantage of as much length as I could. I would redo this test with a little more care as the bullets you are using are extremely well shooting rounds. You should also text the 77 grain Berger tactical. I wish Berger would do a 90 grain with this hybrid ogive. To add I’m not a fan of Allianz powders as I have had much better accuracy out of Hogdgon powders. I would look to Varget to produce great results. To add the 1:7 should be just fine to stabilize the heavier bullets. They say 6.5 but I would look to that being more for 223. As stabilization deals with RPM than what actual twist is. Airborne arms is my go to for a great barrel. Barrel ad bolt to JP specs without the JP price.
I shot a .75 inch group at 100 yeards with the 90 grain fusion so it's not the barrel or twist
Im just starting to doubt that these super long 22 caliber Match bullets fly well when driven to 3000fps. Maybe they just dont spin fast enough from short barrels. Maybe theres a reason PRS shooters are using larger 6mm bullets. I appreciate you shaking down 22NOS and 22Valk for us. You will figure it out! Great Video.
nc_classics _ I think so to. For these long 224V projectiles you need a 1in6 twist or higher which really limits the size of projectiles you can shoot. I think the 6.5 Grendel is a better cartridge. You get petty good accuracy in 100gr to 140gr projectiles. Which is a good cross section of choices.
I would love to see you work up a load for the 85gr RDF in 223 given it can be loaded to mag length.
After watching you videos I decided to check my forster 308 seating stem and it is split as well, just like yours. I used to love forster but man I really don't think I will be buying there dies any more. Whidden all the way, buy once cry once.
Federal was driving the Valkyrie market initially, so they could use Lake City's 6.8 SPC line to supply the brass. Their idea was to use a longer bullet than the AR-15 ammo (90gr) and spin it faster for stability. It could compete or exceed Grendel or Creedmore performance using an AR-15 platform. So, to do that, the barrel/chamber makers need to go to 6.5 : 1 twist. Now the MBA's show up with their "let them eat cake" attitude: " Let them use 7:1 twist, or 8:1 twist." Sad.
Alright!!! Another JRB Marathon month!!!
Johnny it's kinda like driving a truck until you have to get in a different truck. Step back, reboot. Shift through the gears one at a time, (if ya know what I mean).
Dude... what is it with the seating stems nowadays? How long will it take to get on the same page as the guys making the bullets. That is messed up.
Another great video bro.
I hate to say it, but of all the Valkyrie vids, I'm just really losing faith. Built an AR with the Ballistic Advantage barrels that guarantee 1MOA with factory match ammo. Couldn't group at all with 88ELDMs. By contrast, I'm pretty consistently shooting 1/2" with their 6.5CM 24" barrels. So they can make a good barrel (and I know how to shoot a good group!). Just can't get the Valk to work, and apparently neither can most people. Seen many, many, many groups getting shot with a rare 750 or so, but mostly over 1 and even some 2+ groups. Horrible for what sounded like it had so much potential. Maybe I'll just forget the 224V altogether and work on a 6mm. I really wanted to like it!
Hey JRB maybe try some Berger 90gr VLD Target bullets. Thanks for doing the vids on the 224 Valkyrie! Im building a bolt rifle in the same caliber.
I bought the white oak Krieger 24" still a ways out on completing my build tho. I really enjoy these series ive learned a lot. I have been tossing around which dies to watch for. Maybe I'll try hornady
But great work on these videos
WOA uses their own length for gas tubes - which seems to work REALLY well for me as well.
people are getting a little too negative about this cartridge too fast. accuracy is not specific to a cartridge. what we are dealing with is a round that barrel and component manufacturers had no time to experiment with, and that lacks the 30 encyclopedias worth of reloading data that established rounds like 223 and 308 have.
im seeing a VERY similer story evolving here that we saw with 6.8SPC. give it two years.
Have you ever considered it might be you would you please try and shoot that AR without the rear bag I bet your groups will improve. So far I have witnessed two 224 rifles shooting ragged holes at 100 yards
RCBS small base dies ALWAYS feel a lot harder during resizing than their standard dies due to it resizing the the area just above the case head so as to be a smaller base. That's one drawback to smallbase dies for semi autos.
Edit: the ONLY candidate for forming the brass IS 6.8spc. That's the parent case used to design the cartridge. Prior to Federal buying the design, it was called 22-6.8
jimhans1 Isnt 6.8 SPC made from
.300 Savage?
Edit, .30 Remington, not .300 Savage.
Paul Harveu not technically made from .30 Remington as that round/casing has been out production for a decade plus. But it was based on dimensions from the .30 Remington case yes. If you can find original .30 Remington brass it is usually on collectors tables at gun shows.
Don't apologize for working! We all have to do it. I wonder if another Lee .22 caliber FCD will work for the Valkyrie. Something to check may be the torque of your QD flash suppressor/mount. If you strong armed it, perhaps that is causing poor performance with all the bullets. Also, is that scope shooting well with proven loads in your .223 AR? Perhaps double checking on mounting issues too. How about your gas tube? Is it sliding into the carrier key without any binding/excessive interference? Just throwing ideas out to check as I too am puzzled by the poor performance thus far. Good luck! I know you will figure it out!
Jrb, you seem to shoot better with a suppressor. I’m guessing that will tighten your groups some. How are you installing the muzzle device? In my experience over tightening (even a little) of your muzzle device will destroy accuracy. I torque to around 20 foot pounds, many long range shooters barely Tourqe there muzzle device at all and use rockset to hold the muzzle device in place. Would like to see a group or two with bare muzzle, no device. Also you should be able to get away with less shoulder bump running the small base dies in my experience. But with regular dies it’s not uncommon to need 5 thousands or so for reliable feeding in a semi auto. Thanks for the vids, keep up the great work.
T Hutch what is your reasoning behind over tightening causing accuracy problems? Have you actually tested that? Sounds like forum-BS to me.
Use the 22 Nosler seating stem, same brand die set.
Great idea! I'll check it and see if it's any different.
It took me two days to work the 224 Valkyrie out but it will go I used Hornady dies smk 90 grain 4350 powder the Hornady brass was a nogo I found the once fired federal was better also I was shooting a 22 in BCA ss barrel on an MSR platform best preforming factory loads were the 75 grain TMJ federal
I shoot 150gn fusion in my 308 bolt gun. They do show slight signs of heat also but at the time that's all I could get to shoot well in the gun. This summer I'm trying to work up a hunting load with Barnes 150 gn tsx. Ruger m77 hawkeye compact 16.5 barrel 1 and 10 twist. I want to try out the 165 gn as well.
Good video...... Take care
Interesting my results have been ragged holes with a 1:7 twist 24" heavy barrel with comp. But I'm only shooting Federal ammo and as I understand it while the diameter is the same the shape of the bullet for the .224 valkyrie is not the same. So if true reloading for it currently is kind of moot because the BC of the valkyrie bullets are what gives it's great long range performance. It simply doesn't slow down nearly as much as other rounds even other .223 rem loads because it has a better BC.
I believe this is done by using a thicker copper jacket, and less lead allowing for the bullet to be slightly longer without increasing the weight.
I bet this cartridge with the 62gr Barnes TTSX would be a death ray on coyotes, deer, and hogs... I was never really interested in this cartridge but I'm wanting something that can get good velocities with the heavies to hunt with in the AR15 platform. I've heard people who built the AR10 styled rifles in 22-250 or 22-250AI were having some issues with reliability and that's the last thing I want in a hunting rifle so I'm more then willing to sacrifice a few hundred fps with this cartridge...
One thing worth noting is that the groups with 60gr and 77gr would suggest that your twist rate is not the root cause of poor accuracy.
atleast you started of with your signature flyer ;)
Happy to see the good looking brass. One point is the 80gr brass on the far left of the three in your hand looked fairly bent up. Also I’m really interested to see what 22-26” bolt guns do with this and some other powders for speed.
GUNSnARMYRN This caliber would be a good canidate for the Howa Mini Action!
Good videos, i am a little bit jealous on your spring weather, 1,5 m snow on my shooting range, only accesible whit snowmobilen and in freezer temp.Better in USA according Guns, here in sweden its only 6 rifle, pistols timelimited license hard to get and no automatic rifles in caliber 223-243. Keep up the good work and excuse my english.
I've been scouring your 224 reload vids for evidence of how you are case trimming your 224 brass. However, I have come up with nothing. Is there no need to trim the cases when reloading 224? Lee does not make a case length gauge for trimming 224 brass that I am aware of.
I know this an old video, but I noticed the firing pen is striking the primers off center. I have never noticed this on any of my rifle’s.
im glad you are being the guinea pig on the vakyrie! i just my dies today, hope to try my hand. what IMR or Hogdon powders would you recommend starting with? i was thinking H380 or Varget may be in the ballpark, and possibly IMR 4895?
Hi. Ive discovered something about 224 that is important. 6 months extensive testing. 7 powders. 10+ bullets. 4 primers. Hundreds of tests like you. Run almost all same loads as you. Found solution and retested same loads w/no flyers. Found many nodes not 1/10th grain sensitive. I believe this problem is universal to everyone chasing flyers. Spoke to those responsible. Had a cow. Need your input but cannot share it in open forum. How do we communicate PM?
Evey time you stop during a group to examine the brass you get at least one flyer sometimes two.
Another great video. I am building a 224. Valkyrie rifle as we speak. Silly question but what Ammo boxes do you use to store your 224 Ammo? MTM doesn’t list it on their website yet. It doesn’t quite fit the normal .223 boxes and .308 is slightly too large. Thanks!
31.5 with the 2000 MR & the 60 gr. BT would be a good load for an accuracy test, .6 group is not bad, would be good to test from. Seems like in last few videos that Noslers are shooting pretty good for you.
Johnny, try the AR-Comp, my velocities in an 18" rock creek.
80 Amax seated 2.280
Two shots only
22.7: 2685,2695=2690 7/10
23.2: 2747,2733=2740 9/13
I think I'd try some 55 grainers just for guys and snuggles, Johnny.
At 1:31 , You can tell jonny put the 90gr SMK through a bullet pointer die and "over pointed" it it, causing a bulge on the ogive. Bad thing to do.
I'm getting the same crappy groups. I'll try something light on my next batch (52gr ELDM). If the groups get decent it might confirms my suspicions that the 1:7 is not enough.
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This is early in the ball game for 224 Val. I'm curious if it will be more forgiving was a faster twist barrel. At least the cartridge isn't eating itself like 22 Nosler did.
According to RCBS, their small base sizing dies also bump the shoulder back a couple thousandths of an inch more than their standard fl sizing dies (for same setting) in addition to sizing the body down to minimum saami specs. It looks like you didn’t have any chambering issues with only bumping the shoulders back .001-.0015 if that was your final setting?
Good video but wondering why you want to change so many things at once (bullets, powder, suppressor, bolt carrier, upper, etc). If you now get good groups, what caused the change? All of the above or just changing harmonics of the barrel by adding the suppressor, or the new powder, or ?????
I’m curious if you have given thought to why you are getting a seesaw pattern in you groups while firing? One shot an outlier and 2 smaller groups of 2 shots for a lot of the groups shot... something to do with the feed ramps, crimp, or neck tension maybe? I know you want it to shoot well out standard mags but maybe try single loading?
I would highly recommend ADG brass I have found it to be very good and very consistent In the weight peace to peace there also Very affordable
Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope everything is ok! Just because you did a 1 hour video doesn't mean you can take the next three 20 minute videos off. :D
Underwood ammo makes a 72 grain load running 3100 fps using a Lehigh defense controled chaos pill it shoots great try it out
Any chance to see some 62 grain SS109's loaded in the 224v?
Varget powder and 90 gr Berger VLD. Berger bullets always spank SMK for accuracy for me.
Hey Johnny, have you tried a small drill bit to catch and pull out that steel wool from your seating stem? Carefully, but it should work!
Yissnakk Lives! That seating stem ended up with a crack in it.... It's junk now.
Neil Harris I had thought that was the other one. Oops!
Nosler loads that 85gr RDF in 22N factory ammo which has the same trim/COAL as .223rem. I wonder how they would perform in your 18” WOA 5.56 upper...?
Try the 70gr nosler accubond for the 3rd bullet. I think it would make a good hunting bullet in the valkyrie.
Be nice to see some Barnes 70 grain triple shock. Be a nice deer round I think.
Anyone using 24in cmmg barrel? Fixing to start building some pills of our own. Love this guys vids .. top notch Johnny's..
Factory primer pockets using a sealant, could this be why they don't feel tight when reloading?
I'm waiting for the 224 Valk. to prove me wrong. But I think most people will be disappointed. Especially if they shoot them like they did their 223/556 guns. They are gonna smoke their barrels in a few thousand rounds.
Just curious why you don't use a brass catcher? Their expensive but maybe the Berger Match 90 gr VLD target bullets.
Wonder what your runout is given the sloppy seating stem. Good video
i love my AR-15 .556/.223... i love the fact that i can reload cheaply... why would i ever even consider making changes... if i change anything it would be to go back to my 7 mm mag... which i love also... but rather expensive for plinking... so what's the point...???
Guess it's not for you then. 90 grain smk's with a stupid high bc is the point, although I would argue those 77's moving @ 2,900 fps from an 18" barrel is extremely relevant as well, or a 90 grain hunting bullet.
I saw a man build a ship in a bottle once. It really looked like a pain in the ass and when he was done, he couldn't even play with his ship.
So, my point, why is it so important to have some all important point.
Sometimes, "just because I want to" is good enough.
I got into 300 Blackout just because I thought it would be fun to mess with all the load possibilities, and this will be similar.
My barrel shipped today. ;-)
Congrats. Were you able to find anything faster than 1 in 7"?
Colson Customs no. 1/7. 20". I was really hoping to see some good results from the lighter bullets. I guess we'll see what happens. I think they'll be fine and I don't plan on shooting past 600 yards anyway.
try see if the bullets are moving when chambered. maybe wait for different brass or dies try for accuracy that way
Ok, here we are almost 2 years later. Is 224V gonna make it? If so, what's the right barrel length and twist?
I want a 224 Valkyrie bolt action so bad. But I don’t want to spend custom money. Hurry up Howa mini action, Ruger or Savage. We all know you will be the first. Get on with it.
Halfdollar 86 if you have a savage, I'm sure there are companies that are cutting barrels for them. All you would need is the headspace gauges and the proper bolt head.
Neil Harris yes I have a few Savages but I don’t want to change the barrel yet. They still have a lot of life and are very accurate. I’m not in a hurry. Someone will make one one day.
Why would you limit yourself with a valkyrie in a bolt action? 22-250 already exists as well as 220 swift. Just have a manufacturer make one of those with a 6.5 twist and you have a gun more powerful than any valkyrie.
K N I have more powerful bolt actions. I don’t want it for power. The only reason is I just simply want one. I think it is a very interesting round.
I’ve got my tikka t3 pushing 60gr Vmax at 3260fps. Loaded with 26.0grns of ADI AR2206H
Please try 75eld and 88eld (around 25-26gr.) with H4350. Thanks a lot;-)
I think all sami info states 1-6 twist on everything heavier than 65 gr
Even though i havent finished watching the video i think you need to uniform the primer pockets and weigh the brass.
Why do you graduate by 1.0grn vs. 0.5grn? Do you hand trickle? Have you tried not crimping?
I don’t load 224V but you did mention successful loads in 223R with the bullet weights you’re using for 224V. I load for a 223R 1:8 using 77grn Nos. Cust. Comps. The powder/primer combo is IMR4198 and Tula SRMs scooting above 2700fps and getting .5MOA consistently.
I full length size (AR platform), seat the bullet .002 shy of mag length and I don’t crimp. I hand trickle to get up to my specific charge weight and check the weight twice.
What are your thoughts? CHEERS!
He mentions in the video that with little load data, he just wants to characterize the load. Mainly for velocity and pressure issues. He fully admits he could be missing possible accuracy nodes. The barrel probably isn't broken in yet and the powder choice may not be optimum either. It's still pretty early.
Neil Harris people still “break-in” barrels?
I like to foul a clean barrel with 10-20rnds and then shoot a load work up or accuracy.
check the bullet holes on the Nolser 60 grain. They look oblong on video. Maybe over spinning. CFE223 would be very interesting behind the 77 grain SMK to compare to the MK262 series. Thanks for the video and have a great day.
David Peterson overspinning a bullet won't cause an oblong hole. Only under-stabilizing or not enough velocity will cause a bullet would do that.
Jimhans 1 I agree you are correct. There are no physics equations that demonstrate increasing the rate spin causes less stability. Including one out of balance. The only way increasing spin can cause a bullet to be less stable is if the centrifugal force causes it to deform and or come apart. Most modern bullets are designed to handle high velocity and high rate of spin.
I think it was just my crappy target backer. It's getting all shot up and there's not much support behind my poster board anymore. It causes some ragged holes sometimes. Good eye, though...they definitely looked a little funky.
Johnny's Reloading Bench hope all is well, it's been a few days since we've seen hide nor hair of you.
Did you blow your face off??
Have you tested the ELD-M seated 20 thousandths off the lands or closer? With powder charges around the lowest SD charge?
80 eldm need to jump 35-45 tho
Has anyone had issues with blowing primers out of the factory federal loads from the fusion to the 90g match kings i am getting blown primers i suspect its bad brass federal is using maybe over sized primer pockets ?. i just got two boxes of underwood .224 controlled chaos in to try out so i am hoping this ammo shows different results .The Rifle i am using is the savage msr anyone else having this issue.
I was very excited about this round. So far nothing I see makes this look like feasible long range cartridge. Factory ammo is a no go. Reloads? No accuracy. Heavy bullets don’t work. If all we got is a 60 grain varmint round... who cares? Got lot of those already. I’m starting to question the barrel maybe? Wrong twist rate? If it can’t shoot the 90s there’s no point. Or maybe they just wanted another ar 15 caliber to throw out there? Time will tell.
Hey Johnny have you ever tried imr 4320 in 308 or 223 I would try to send you a pound of it I have shot just a little of it bit so far its been OK. But just a suggestion
should shoot rifle out of a lead sled , other than that you are extremely informative and very good videos
personally i'd like to see how well they perform out of a 14.5 or 16 recce. im a small guy lol
ELD's are hit or miss.....
I'm not the kind of a guy to jump up and go talk to every new girl that walks into the bar but (22 Valkyrie) I think I felt a little twitch.
Make a video on making a target stand
Have you thought about 62 grain ss109?
Was just wondering if you have shot any fushion msr factory loads and seen any signs of over pressurization? I just shot them today and saw marks from the ejector on almost all and had 2 popped primers.
Someone else (might have been you) asked the same thing a few days ago so I give a close-up of some Fusion brass at 48:50 in this video.
I can't find the original comment now. I'm not sure if it was here, patreon, facebook, instagram, or email. I get comments and questions from way too many places!
Johnny's Reloading Bench thanks for the reply I appreciate you showing the brass and yes it was me that asked last time I guess I deleted it when I copied the text.
With my 223/556 RCBS seating die I too get that little ring around the nose when seating 75 grain Hornsby bthpm. It actually deforms the nose making it a little narrower. Idk how much it effects my accuracy considering it shoots like shit but then again so do different batches of my 53 grain v Max’s that I guess depending on where the moons at shoots sub MOA or like a sawed off shotgun at 100 yards.... love your videos man. Stop smoking crack though. Lol
how about trying Hornady 62gr BTHP
How long did it take to get the rcbs dies Johnny? Ones I’m wanting
The standard ones are in stock at Brownells now. How fast they get to you depends on how much you want to spend for shipping. Order fast! goo.gl/tTCDpi