AMD RX 8800XT a GIANT Leap for Mainstream Gamers! - The UDNA Strategy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2024
- In today’s video, we’ll be discussing AMD’s bold new direction with their RDNA4 architecture and the introduction of the RX 8800XT. With promises of RTX 4080-level performance at a mainstream price point, AMD seems poised to capture the attention of gamers who’ve been waiting for a more affordable high-performance GPU. But is this move part of a well-thought-out plan or just damage control for their shifting priorities? I’ll be breaking down the contradictions in their messaging, exploring the unification of RDNA and CDNA into UDNA, and why this shift might reveal AMD’s true focus on AI and HPC, with gaming being a secondary priority. We’ll also discuss whether this strategy will truly benefit the gaming community or if it’s just a PR move to mask deeper issues.
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4080 super levels of performance for 500 dollars is completely reasonable, Nvidia has just brainwashed everyone into paying double the price they should have to for a card.
What arguments do you have to say that it must cost half the price ¿?
@@pixeltaco9782 those cards take a lot of time and money to make amd would have to cut a lot of corners like paying workers less to lower the manufacturing cost which isn’t a good thing
@@nate8738 brainwashed, indeed
@@nate8738 From what I saw, it costs Nvidia 300 some dollars to make a 4080. maybe at 500 they are breaking even or having a small profit, but that might be what it takes to gain market share.
If the 7000 series was really 30 percent under the design goals due to a design flaw, getting at least 4070TI Super performance in the 8800XT is reasonable.
If it adds AI upscaling, doubles the ray tracing performance over 7800XT and cost 500 bucks, I'm buying one.
I'm really hoping that the new goal of building market share means that they won't make pricing mistakes like they did with the 7900XT.
A 4070 equivalent for $299 would be nice.
But with more VRAM 😅 12GB is very tight for my taste.
Edit: but when I think about it, we already have a RTX4070 equivalent for 300. it’s the RX6800 (used)
It already exists. It’s called the RX6800 and has 16GB VRAM. $299 all day.
@@K.R.98exactly.
keep dreaming lil bro
Yeah 12 gig is a little light 16 should be the new minimum
AMD never misses the chance to miss a chance ain't no way AMD will pull this off 💀
IF they're able to give us a $500 gpu with 4080 level performance then they'll have a chance to gain market share
chabce? if that thing exists, im buying 69 of those.
My lord, a 4080 or 4080 Super level performance $500 dollar graphics card would quickly ascend to being the most sold graphics card in humanity!
to be honest, They need to do something like this. GET REALLY GOOD CARDS AT REALLY GOOD VALUE INTO PEOPLES HANDS! They need to sell millions of them! Otherwise, developers will just stick with Nvidia and dlss. NO reason to implement amd tech when only 20% or less of market has those cards....
It would be wise and beneficial for them and the customers !
There is zero chance of that happening with the 8800 in the wake of their partner Sony announcing PS5 pro for $700 (which is basically built on AMD hardware)
If AMD can match the performance of an RTX 4080 Super for half its price, RDNA4 will become a HUGE hit with gamers!
guess it will launch at 800$ and will decay to 650 in 3 months
never , even if they can , no company would be that stupid to loose boatloads of money .
Bro does NOT know@@kisspeteristvan
@@kisspeteristvan nvidia gets insane margins on those cards. amd certainly wouldn't be losing money selling those cards at 500 or 600 bucks, even with overhead costs.
@@pixeltaco9782 you don't understand. They would lose , cause they can afford to ask for more .
I have given up on predicting the future. I only care about what I can actually buy.
I can honestly say, I don't know a single gamer that doesn't turn ray tracing off, so when are the manufactures going to finally drop that, except on the top tier GPUs?
I guess the problem is that good RT performance is the only decent selling point of nvidia over amd, and it's a good one since those amd idiots are selling cards with way lower RT performance for literally the same price (and I'm an amd user but amd cards are just as overpriced as nvidias) so from both companies there's strong incentive to improve RT performance. I. E. Ray tracing is the only thing competition is actually improving
Nvidia is good at turning gimmicks nobody in the real world uses into selling points. Let's see if this one sticks or will it go the way of physx and 100x tessallation.
@@lucazani2730 The most important thing that NVidia has over AMD is DLSS. FSR can't compare in its current iteration. RT for most people is just a gimmick.
@@tehehe5929 ah yes my bad DLSS too. And, if we want to be complete, we also need to specify Cuda cores
It's a smart strategy by AMD because the high end market share is only 10%
High end market has huge profit margins though
technology is very outdated and nvidia dlss and ray tracing results are significantly better than radeon low detail
@christiantos Ray tracing is useless on games maybe only at Cyberpunk but RNDA 4 will improve the ray tracing so its fine tbh and we have soon also the fsr 3.1 so we dont care about ur dlss
RDNA*
@@kaal96184 Well, the new games that are really good use DLSS 3 and ray tracing, like Wu Kong etc... AMD has indeed lost to Nvidia, that's a fact
This is AMD. 7800xt which is the true 7700xt was effectively a 6800xt in performance. They also made ridiculous claims about 7900xtx being 70% faster than 6950xt and 5800xt beating raptorlake or zen 5 matching zen 4 x3d. 8800xt will likely be between 7800xt and 7900 gre with better ray tracing
unfortunately this is my guess as well. I think slightly below a 7900 xt isn't outlandish either. However the leaks saying 4080/7900xtx performance are laughable
I believe this strategy could fall flat without improvement in the accompanying features, such as the visual quality of FSR, ray tracing performance and the stability of drivers. They already have good value gpus that do not sell well due to these reasons.
Nvidia is doing the same "we got much more perf...30-40-50-70%" when i real u get a bit more 10 or maybe 20% but pay 50 to a 100% more for extra 20fps, same fuck just green sticker :))
no the 7800xt should have been the 7800. the GRE should have been the 7800xt, but with better bandwidth.
@@commonsense-og1gz 7900 gre from 6800 xt was an abysmal generational uplift. That's why I think it makes sense that the 7900 xt was the real 6800 xt successor. Regardless...we just want better products for the money with better efficiency when doing low-compute and graphical requirement tasks like browsing youtube or playing pixel games
Wait for your favorite reviewers to the rdna 4 cards, they will test them and then they will present the data, anything that comes from AMD about performance is just noise.
Amd Radeon needs to a GPU with rtx4080 level performance under 400usd to sucker punch Nvidia real good. That would be nice
I'm so buying this new AMD card if the price is 500$! Nvidia doesn't care about making gaming accessible - AMD does.
I'd just like to see something truly midrange in the $200-300 segment again. The 7600 and 4060 just aren't exciting cards - I'm talking more VRAM and better RT performance if possible.
Cries in needing a GPU for my 5900x as a personal dev box for work.
Not sure that will happen. But if you do buy a high end card, and can get 4k graphics. You are pretty much none. Not alot of reasons to up grade, better ray tracing, etc.
basic life needs are going up in price and you want what is a luxury item to stay the same price? might need to expand the logic behind that
@@Two49 it already exists. It’s called the RX6800. It’s 30-40% faster than a 4060 and is $300 all day.
@@pseudoscientist8010 RX6800. 16GB VRAM for $300. All you need for 4K.
The problem with "Mid Range" is that this word doesn't mean the same as it did 10 years ago... a Mid Range card is a solid 500$~600$ nowadays. 200$~300$ is the new "Entry level"
Back when the 5700XT came out, it sold well on value alone. But today it's about the whole package. They need not only good value cards up against Nvidia but software stack that can compete. Only then will the mainstream take notice. Oh and way better marketing to those people. Ryzen didn't get where it is by being the same as intel, but cheaper.
AMD lacks Tensor cores alternative in gaming hardware as well. AMD version is called Matrix cores but available only for MI200 cards.
How many of AMD's empty, braggadocious promises have we gone through thus far? It's crazy that some people still take them at their word xD
we're not taking them at their "word" through leaks through channels like MLID anymore. I'm guessing the 8800x will be somewhere around 7900 GRE or 7900 xt performance. Any more than that and it's too unrealistic for the 500-600 USD price (MSRP). With great power efficiency, low power usage at idle/video playback etc as well as the supposed RT improvements, this could be a solid, budget-oriented product. If it doesn't deliver, this will likely be the worst generation in a while when it comes to price/performance.
How many times Nvidia patches their software (Physx, Hairworks, etc) to cut non-Nvidia performance?
@@AhmadWahelsa How is Nvidia relevant for AMD overpromising and underdelivering on a regular basis? No one claims Nvidia is a customer friendly company but that doesn't make AMDs performance or lack thereof somehow better.
@@AhmadWahelsaLies as usual from you.
AMD's marketing department should be hung, drawn and quartered. They hype up the GPUs to the point where nothing can live up to it. The products are solid, but they fall so far behind the hype that they come across as disappointments. I like the Radeon 7800 XT - it's a good GPU, and they didn't hype it beyond its performance, unlike with the 7900 XT and XTX. As for the Radeon 8800 XT, I'm expecting performance slightly above the 7900 GRE, but not up to 7900 XT levels.
I'll stick with AMD. I have had both, and honestly, I can't tell the difference between 100 fps, and 105 fps. As long as my games I choose to play, play well, I'll pick the less expensive option. AMD has never let me down.
Equip your PC with metering software that can show you GPU Hot Spot temperature. If the hot spot temperature exceeds 100 degrees, it's time to undervolt (but Linus has wrong tutorial). Also, limit FPS to 60 and your card will last for many years.
We get what we deserve, I've been PC gamer since 2003, and at least from 2006 I remember nVidia always out selling ATi then AMD cards, sometimes it was due to Radeon being crap like with HD2000 or with RX Fury / Vega but most other times people just refused to buy AMD, a company needs money to invest and develop stuff, it's not a surprise that eventually nVidia got so far ahead, I fear that this is just the start, in few years they will be in low end and then probably leave the market all together.....
480 super should be $600
Just like the 980 ti back then
If they could give a 4080 level of Performance with 500$ cap i am buying 10 of them for keeps.
I don't know what the situation is like in other countries, but here in Germany we are currently experiencing the decline of the economy. This is associated with more and more company bankruptcies and mass redundancies. In addition, inflation is still high and prices for food and energy continue to rise. As a result, the average gamer like me is thinking twice before buying a new graphics card. I bought my last graphics card, an RX 6700 XT, cheaply on the second-hand market. And I will continue to use this graphics card for the next few years, as our disposable income is more important for everyday things. From my point of view, it therefore makes sense that AMD is targeting the entry-level market.
Same here with 3060ti. Also, the new game releases are so bad, i reevaluated my approach and decided to stick with old games i already own - there is plenty of them for me to enjoy.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq i feel you. My Steam and Epic Games pile of shame is pretty big 😅
You started making shity car and you destroyed your own economy by closing the power plants. What did you expect going to happen? In 10 years 80% of the car are going to be Chinese.
Sad to watch how Germany is destroying it's own economy and eu is destroying the economy of all the union in general.
In 10 years 80% of the car going to be Chinese.
I have the same GPU, it will serve you well for a few years.
I would be happy if AMD could make a GPU with gre raster performance, xtx ray tracing performance, a proper AI upscaler that has custom anti aliasing that can fix the issues caused by taa. I'd pay like $600 for that.
That want happen until rdna 5 because there want be a high end rdna4 main think rdna 4 will be cheaper and better raytracing basically the ps5 pro what im thinking
@@Jason_Bover9000 I know, but thankfully the 4070 Super fits exactly what I described. So I replaced my Rx 6800 with it.
Two reasons and doesnt have high end rdna 4
1. Can get the mcm model working. Rdna 4 is rumored to be monolithic
2. Ps5 pro needs only the current rdna 4 specs
AMD at the end of the day is a corporate entity beholden only to its shareholders and bottom line. It will sell the product for the highest cost they think they can get away with. So if it sells a 4080 level card for 500 (which i personally don't think will happen just look at 7900xtx launch) it's probably because market doesn't allow for a costlier version of rdna4. This attitude that AMD is some company which somehow saves us from Nvidia by giving gamers value for money gpus need to change. The moment they can hike the price they will and there are plenty of instances when they did.
I will wait for RDNA4. If it doesn't deliver anything interesting in the mid-range, I'll buy the RX 6750XT (RDNA2). RDNA3 is still very expensive outside the US :/ (like 100-150 USD more than in US :/)
Can't they just discount the 7900xt to $500 and achieve that?
new chip will be cheaper in production
@@vvhitevvizard_also it will have increased RT performance (I don't know if anyone cares about RT but still) and especially if it's a different product indipendent reviewers will test it and talk about it. It's like the 4080 super which was just a 4080 discounted. But by releasing a new product they got the tech press to talk about it. It's not that stupid actually
I don't believe until I see it, learned that from past experiences
I love my 7800XT , id take an 8800XT
5700 XT was a good card. Still is. Finally, it looks like they will have hardware upscaling this gen (PS5 Pro has it anyway) and if that works well with vastly improved RT, they will gain market share. I might jump ship.
Yep, I would do the same. Along with price to performance being there as well.
Smart, most people don't even need a 4090... Amd is gonna be rich if they can pull this off.. everyone gonna buy that shit 8800xt
The 4090 alone sells more than all last gen AMD cards combined
@@Augusto9588 We are talking about next gen so it doesn't matter.
No they will not. Most people would rather still pay $800 for a 4080, or wait for the 5000 series
if rdna 4 really turns out great in terms of pricing and performance i am willing to buy a 8700xt or 8800xt , currently running on cpu integrated graphics
Yeah I'm looking into either 8700 XT or 8800 XT as well. Would be an amazing upgrade from my 1070.
Currently on a RX 6650 XT and starting to feel the underwhelm at 1440p high-end games (Cyberpunk 2077, FF16 etc.). Up until recently I was interested in getting an RX7000 series card but with RX8000 "around the corner", I must resist!
At the end of the day, once you get AMD, you always have "until how long will they support this card since they keep changing architecture?"
It doesn't help when Window 10&11 consumer versions restrict AMD CPU ang GPU performance. When AMD does their testing, it's done with a Non consumer version of Windows and this is why AMD show a bigger gain than content creators get. I wonder how much Nvidia pays Microsoft to do this
the UDNA is basicly that what Nvidia is doing all along with its graphics cards
I believe AMD is making a serious mistake by leaving the race to the top, because usually the "top dog" sets the tone, therefore leading the market and setting standards.
And the message it sends it's that they are quitting.
I believe they're gonna lose even more marketshare with this move.
I'm ready to buy amd if they deliver the right product... The 7800xt and 7900gre are fantastic card for the price.😊
If it actually meets those prices and performance targets I'll get one. No question.
If it's $599 and/or below those targets? I'll wait for the 5070. The 5070 is rumoured to be $599 and will frankly beat it on both feature set and performance. Even if the 5070 is $699, they'll be on par for price to performance.
Exactly, sometihing like 5070 or 5070ti will be main competition for RDNA4, not 2 years old 4080
@@evilsatoriiwrong it will be the udna
5070 is also supposed to have only 12gb VRAM. That's no bueno in 2025.
@@peter2liter 12gb isn't really a barrier at present, and while it WILL eventually become one I don't think that's happening in 2025.
Yes, you can deliberately push some games with some features to 12gb reserved vram even at 1080, but those examples are pretty badly optimised.
Plus, Nvidia has always been more memory efficient than AMD, so a 12gb barrier will tend to hit an 8700XT harder than a 4070 Ti or 5070.
Also, just matching last generation's RT capability is gonna mean very little when 2025's path tracing based games come out.
Be sure that Nvidia will have some other feature that will one up AMD too, and likely an upgraded DLSS too.
$599 is really the absolute upper end of where a mid range card that doesn't even match their own previous generation cards, let alone Nvidia's ones, can be priced at.
Realistically it's gotta be a $549 card to be a middling experience, and $499 to be a good product.
I know that rumors are usually not true, but I already want to buy an AMD for my next GPU, so I will just hope it is more than a rumor.
I will wait for RDNA4. If it doesn't deliver anything interesting in the mid-range, I'll buy the RX 6750XT (RDNA2). RDNA3 is still very expensive outside the US :/
It would be master plan if the price was $499 but I seriously doubt that AMD will not overprice it and then panic drop prices after short couple of months due to lackluster sales.
Yes AMD clown marketing.
AMD win massive market share with Ryzen and offering low prices. The fact they don't do this with GPUs is laughable.
They should of launched the Rx 7900xt at 600, then hyped it up as matching the 3090ti in raster with their marketing
AMD! GIVE ME 4080 PERFOMANCE FOR 500 DOLLARS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!
All I want is to play DCS in VR at like 100fps. Thanks AMD!
imho you kinda lost some credibility for me when you opted to use the "Windows only" stats in the steam hardware survey. if you're willing to ignore the linux numbers too then that's a big yikes bucko.
Linux is for PC enthusiasts not the average person
@@ertai222 Linux is for everybody. not PC Enthusiasts, not servers, for EVERYONE. saying its for one specific group of people is wrong and shows a lack of understanding. regardless of what you wish to believe, you still leave out a significant amount of data by ignoring Linux. therefore the data used in this clip is invalid.
@@bionicseaserpent I currently play on Linux. Grim Dawn has platinum status compatibility and it works flawlessly. I refuse to install spyware (Windows 10/11) on my PC.
AMD needs an another RX 580 moment.
1. I dont believe AMD numbers anymore. Whatever they're saying will need to be tested and validated, and revised 10 or 20% BELOW their numbers.
2. They will be greedy, and mid range now is 4070S approx 600US. Their 8800XT will be priced 600US. No way they price it lower.
3. Even if they fix RT, which quite honesly isn't a real problem as only very high end can run RT properly (4070Ti and above), the CUDA problem remains. Rocm needs to be seamless as CUDA is right now when working on AI stuff.
To put the above points in one sentence, here's what AMD will do:
1. They will believe their own numbers, 2. price the card accordingly, and 3. forget they're not offering the same quality overall as their competitor. And they'll fail.
Seems to forget something. RT isn't broken. Upscaller isn't an issue, the old one does. Performance isn't an issue. Game spitting on AMD does. PT performance of AMD is terrible. RT is sweet. But only when you're in the mid range. At a higher range all Nvidia cards are better. You can and I can simply do a raster test to see that my 7800XT (Qick 319) explode the world record of 4070 while running at near stock core clock, and also beat 4070super avg (Note than in France, 4070 is ±600€. 4070ti super is near 1000€). I run a RT test (Port Royal, Solar Bay) and still beat the 4070 (not the OC/world record tho. I run a PT test. And even the 4070 beat the 7900GRE. While running DLSS and XeSS tests, all tests are the latest. The FSR test however is in 2.0. Do you know how old FSR2.0 is ? Same for 2.1.
The greatest issue with AMD card and CPU is based settings.
stop the cap, fanboi overpricing nvidia lol
Like almost any 5000/6000/7000 series card could boost between ±500MHz than stock speed (not boost clock, base clock) and near ±200-500MHz in memory speed compare to base memory clock speed.
For CPU. 9700X actually outperforms the 7800X3D (with a bit of tuning and being 100% stable). However it does consume more power. But hey. When the i9-14900K everyone was saying it's better even if it consumes more power so we won't brag about more power ?
So yeah. The biggest issue is that almost every card and CPU are massively below what they can do. Sometimes it's the game. Sometimes it's windows, Windows was always known to favorite Intel. Just need to compare pure theorical performance between nanometers size of transistors, L1/L2/L3 size. Latency. Threads. And core speed. To see that AMD should beat Intel even more. Windows update boosts Ryzen performance by sometimes over 50% 🤨
1. AMD "we tested it with great results"
2. Nvidia sees and updates their software (such as Physx, Hairworks, etc) to tank non-Nvidia performance
3. Gamers "Booo AMD big liar"
I mean can't really blame AMD solely, sure they overshoot on what their chipsets are actually capable of but most of the performance issues lately have been proven to be an issue on the OS side, specifically Windows.
Every pre-release period is the same.
People dream way too much and overhype whatever AMD's new products then proceed to criticize those same products relentlessly when they obviously don't match the public's absurd expectations.
A $500 Navi 48 might not even match the RX 7900 XT and there are already people hoping for a $400~$300 RTX 4070/RX 7800 XT.
I mean...400$ 4070 should be like a normal almost sub par new gen lmao. The 4070 is what, 499-599?
The RX 8800XT matching the RTX 4080 in performance would be a big challenge, since it's going to be 64 compute units, similar to the 7800XT 60 CU, and on a similar node. They need 50% performance improvement to reach there. If it was 3nm with a big frequency increase I could see it being much more plausible, but it's going to be all architecture work
I think the whole focus on the mid tier claim is not a big as ppl may think. What would change with the RX 7900 XTX vs RTX4080 we have now?
AMD already left the top tier (vs 4090) and can't compete vs the RTX4080 in RT gaming.
BUT, this does not say the RX 7900XTX is a bad card as it shows nice performance in non RT gaming.
So if the RT8800 XT(X) wil be on the same level so that it can still compete with a RTX5080 for gamers that don't care about the RT, then it will be similar to the current gen.
And that would be good for the RTX5080 pricing.
for me, its CUDA. ZLUDA is not finished and already stopped, and AMD just isnt as fast in AI workloads. that being said, im using a 6800xt, but my next card might be nvidia in 2 years from now if i dont see any headway in the ai space.
also, AMD *gaming* cards lack Tensor cores alternative (AMD's Matrix cores)
An 4080 super at 500$ is insane and I honestly don’t believe em. I bought an 4080S got tired of waiting and don’t wanna deal with the scalping bs of 50 series. I got my tuf edition 40$ off with Black myth wukong was hard to beat
there will be no scalpers for 50 series. Ngreedia ruined the gaming market. People just quit upgrading overpriced cards
It's not the since Nvidia has better ray tracing and upscaling and they will be pricing the 4080 at $800 or lower
@@vvhitevvizard_ after a lil over 1000$ with my purchase I’m definitely not planning on buying for a lonnnggg time I already went 5 years with an 2060 super with this big uplift probably won’t be interesting into another 6-8 years
Just as i bought a 4080 super days ago 😂fukme. Although knowing radeon team they'll screw it up somehow
they always do mess it up
Your fine with a 4080 man. Relax
These products are not created from one month to another no matter what the new chief guy wants, this strategy can be declared now and implemented in a few years, starting with the design of the chips.
I think they did a analysis on Blackwell chip, on what products NVidia can generate from this chip, compared to their new chip, determined they cannot compute with NVidia and now they want save faces with products with very, very low margins and hope NVidia won't say "they did what with price on mid range products? ok, match their price with an added +10%, we can afford the loss".
Great assessment of the matter that I mostly agree with. AMD seemingly doesn't get the issue here.
Yes the fact they are lacking on the software side is there but that's not the biggest issue. They had and still have potent cards for gaming. Unless we are talking about the 4090, there is still equivalent from AMD but people just won't buy it no matter how good it is. I have seen it so many times in real life - people saying "just buy Nvidia" even if the debate would be a 3060 vs 7900XTX.
Only way to change this mindset is to beat the top dog, not acknowledge him...
I have always needed to be frugal with money and AMD has had the best price to performance and the longest socket support and has had my loyalty for 30yrs+ because of that. I had an 1100x black edition cpu that I ran for 15 years and outlasted 2 cases and 3 MOBOs the last one was an EATX with 3way crossfire that had no problem running Elite dangerous, E.V.E., W.O.W., and FS15,17,19 and many other games with no issues
AMD should include Matrix Cores (Tensor cores alternative) for gaming cards
Would have liked to have upgraded to RX 7000 but there wasn't any compelling upgrade from my RX 6000.
Now I learn they are giving up on the high end so this 4070 TI Super is going to be with me for a while.
If AMD make cards that end up as popular as the RX 6700 XT and the RX 6800 XT then at least I can recommend them to friends and family.
yeah , had same thing for me friend. Had 3070ti, during shortage I was so sick the scalping, I got it for 1250. Well when amd and nvidia resleased cards , in 2023, the 4070 ti 12 gb was 800 dollars, NVIDIA LOST ME THERE. I was so upset so I got a 24 GB 7900xtx for 1000 instead. I like it, but i hate FSR compared to DLSS now days. I was so sick of nvidia at that point, i mean come on, every review said the same, 4070 ti only 12 gb for 800 dollars was an insane joke! And 4080 for 1200 was stupid. I couln't wait for new card,,, had I waited, I would have gotten 4080 super for 1000. Nvidia was stupid, they should have sold original 4080 for 1000, and 4070ti 12 gb for 600. but nooo , they had to be greedy and insane. If the 4080 was 1000 and the 4070ti super 16 gb was 800 back in 2023, I wouldnt have left nvidia...
u really dont like AMD huh lol its ok i dont either but i jsut brought a 7900 xtx ive watched some reviewers playing with the 7900xtx and im sure ill be happy with my purchase i play single player with v sync im also not a FPS junky really a good gpu is one that can hold at 60fps on max or ultra 1440p or 2160p without lag that's my opinion of a fast gpu regardless if its team green blue or red their all pretty much like Politian's if their lips are moving their probably lying and thats including DJT the bank'ster big pharma American mass serial kller soon to be selecte back into the dark house
Just launch a 8800 xt with 64GB ddr6 and I will buy 2
Rooting for Intel gpu's to take off for real.
For real for real
This is smart. People with big pockets will pay for a 4090 but most people dont buy flagships. the most popular video card used on steam is a 3060 by far. my current card a 6800xt wich now is considered low end is faster than a 3060. most people upgrade to an affordable card so this may be a smart way to gain some market share.
You just denied your own point man. The 3060 8GB (more like 3050 ti) being the most popular eventhough AMD offers better equivalent just shows how wrong this move is. Unless you at least compete for the best, you are inferior and people will take that into consideration when buying, hence the unreasonable 3060 8GB popularity...
It SOUNDS like they finally get it. Lets just see. This proves it's not what you know, but who you ARE and WHO you know. Edit All of those people saying Nvidia cant lower their prices because making silicon is expensive need to be gagged tarred and feathered. 800+% is crazy.
dont keep your hopes high. there is bound to be disappointments
where you need hope for when you have reviews. if it does what it pretends to be doing you buy , if it doesn't you move on, why hope?
Ai bubble is bursting as we speak. There is thousands of startups and proposed applications with big tech corps going hard into it, but the money earning isn't there. Trillions in investment, lots of it into hardware made by nvidia, but only billions in revenues.
The market is VRAM starved
If only AMD listens...
They kinda went in the same boat with Nvidia when the mining boom started
I haven't had much of any driver issues. Any issues were fixed, so I don't mind going AMD again for my 2nd ever GPU. I like my 6700xt. If the 8800xt can do 4070tiSUPER RT for $600, I'll consider it. Though I'm sure the tiSUPER would drop to $700. If the drivers are solid like its been for me thus far, then I'll buy it. However, I wonder how RT based that's Nvidia Sponsored would work? Lastly, I agree with AMDs move. I felt no one should spend over $800 on a GPU and NOT have ALL the features of a GPU including RT whether you like it not. RT that is. Both the XT/XTX had some driver issues and less features. I felt like those buyers were fanboys and people in there feelings about Nvidia/NGreedia. People can buy what they want etc, I'm just saying I agree, on the high end, buy Nvidia. Even if you only game. On a Budget end, go Intel until they get better like AMD did eventually. Though Xess isn't anything to sneeze at from what I hear and read.
Bring back Crossfire then. Make a RX8800X2.
If someone offered 299$ 4070 equivalent they wouldn't be able to make enough of them.
knowing AMD, you 100% know that they won't do that as nearly all gamers still buy NVidia and that is like 80-85% of us. Leaks suggest that the 8700/8800 XT will only have 7900 XT performance equivalent to a 4070 Ti
@@KamilWyszynski-y3p ngl i would just buy nvidia when they discount
@@KamilWyszynski-y3p but would that be a good card for 500?
It's official AMD has ceded the crown to Nvidia...and "N" will have FREE reign for the next FIVE years uncontested. It's time to think "outside of the box" AMD & Intel combined their GPU divisions "A.I" to fight the "N" directly. There's no other way. AMD takes 70% and Intel 30% respectively. There is power in numbers.
I don't agree, when Nvidia finally drop their entire GPU range with the exception of a single ultra premium card we will need more options. Nvidia are focussed on AI, not gaming.
Nvidia has held the crown for well over a decade in both performance and market capital stop being delusional.
7900 xtx should of been the 7900 xt, the 7900 xt should of been the 7800 xt… etc etc
8800XT would performance like 7900GRE, No way close to 4080
AMDs "new direction" is the old direction that we know since the RX 580.
No news under the sun.
They are shooting themselves in the foot with RDNA4
I mean, AMD is making t sound like this is NEW.
But the RX 7800XT was basically the same performance as a RTX 3080 (AMD new gen vs NVIDIA last gen) and a RX 7800XT is $499
Now they are acting like it's new to have a $500 AMD new gen card, that is the same as RTX 4080 last gen.... It's the same rollout as before just without a flagship GPU.
If they want to attack them and do something new they have to release a little cheaper to have a high end card for the price of rtx low end
Then the ONLY cards Nvidia will sell is their RTX 5080 & 5090 to the people with businesses or .... Think they need more performance for no reason
one point u are wring, nvidia is so rich enough for them to not care about reduce the price to maintain market share. they just get those dev and shoot bad reviews. thats all
2 years... feels like forever 😅
The 8700XT will have 12GB GDDR6 VRAM on 192bit bus, feature the exact same shader, texture, ROP and RT core count as the RX 7700XT with only a tiny bump in game clockspeed. RT performance will be identical to the RX 7700XT card and zero other improvements. The 8700, 8600XT and 8500 cards will be identical to their previous gen counterparts and at the same prices.
Nvidia wins again!
Nvidia always wins!
A lot of this comes down to FSR vs DLSS. New games are leaning heavily on these features, to the point where they're on by default and can represent over 50% of the fps. Currently FSR is not as good as DLSS, which is a huge drawback for AMD.
Yeah, as a 6700XT owner this is easily the biggest drawback on AMD cards. It almost feels like it's been getting worse too, but I wouldn't recommend anyone use FSR below like, 1440p quality settings or 4k balanced (maybe 4k performance if you're playing on a TV).
Path tracing is the future but I don't think it should be the focus right now. Getting a better upscaler, even if it's locked to new hardware, should be a huge priority. If it's any indication, the PS5 Pro's RDNA 4 GPU should be pretty good at not-path traced RT at least.
@@Torso6131 Yeah, I'm not sure if AMD will put a lot of effort in the discrete GPU market. They are dominating consoles and handhelds, so it makes sense developing for those markets. I think they'll also be very invested in competing on AI tech. They don't have as much money to throw around as Nvidia either.
One can only hope AMD is pulling the GPU Kojima with low ball trolling, and not a 9000 series "tWenTy pErCent iMprOvEmEnt".
That's what I'm hoping for
Bro if they got 7900xtx at 499 🤤
If a company want to do something they never tell anyone
How about performance in unreal engine 5
Let's hope for another classic like RX 480!
We need a GPU with 128 GB Ram for local AI models.
We will see... I doubt it.
AMD is presenting an extremely sound business strategy. How many people drive Porsche bs Subaru? How about Corvettes or Mustangs vs Lamborghini? It’s about dominating a segment. Grab share, carve out a price to performance market niche.
Right the opposite, extremely bad strategy. Why do most people want iPhones? Because those scream style, power and performance eventhough it's not completely true. If Apple made a 300-400$ phone I can guarantee you it would outsell competition even if it was factualy inferior. It's the same here. Nvidia has the gaming top dog - currently the 4090. That one is the best and people want a piece of the best even if AMD will offer a better deal in lower segments, they won't offer part of the best...
9:38 No BS there. Having the console market doesn't necessarily mean things are optimized for AMD. Quite frankly, the impact of DirectX, Vulkan and Windows is not to be underestimated. The same game will require a decently different approach to implementing on PC with AMD GPU vs Consoles. Both consoles SDK and DevKit are creating a sizable difference in approach for GameDev. And it's not quite the obvious stuff. So yes, it helps, but it is a different experience.
I think people ignore that part quite a lot and assume "AMD Console = they have the gaming segment to themselves" followed by "why can't AMD product perform better on PC; they have the consoles?!".
In short, AMD needs to be better AND have more focus on helping developers using their hardware and SDK on PC. That's what he is talking about. It does make sense.
PS. Okay, it's late and I may not be making much sense. Caring on.
imho, the problem that most I got with AMD GPUs is that the lack of support for creator software, if they at least try more and give more tools for the creators i.e. faster Blender Cycles render, or better Vulkan compute for creative tools that need GPU acceleration (which Nvidia has been doing for decades), im sure a lot of people will shift to it, since many be able to rely not only on gaming but a also capable content creation gpu that fits the budget. After experiencing intel arc on how fast it is than AMD when it comes to creative softwares when it's utilized right, I can't really go on AMD and use it. I'm looking forward to Battlemage because of it. and I hope AMD will give tools to creators also, because if AMD will give tools to creators, it will sell like hot cakes, because lets face it, PC GPUs arent only for gaming anymore, it can be use for content creation if needed, and AMD is not doing well on that part of the market (I mean how can you even make a game if the tools arent there for the GPU right?)
I dunno man… the APU market is about to explode.
Probably going Nvidia again. The optimizations are simply there. I'm sick of updating driver and now my game has stutters or some shadow bug. Smaller devs just simply don't account for AMD and that's where in my opinion, the fun PC games are. I really like the Adrenaline suite and all, but i'm fine with just using afterburner if it all works smoother when loading something up.
I am just sick of having to counter tinker to get a AA game to work as intended.
dose this mean we will never see a amd flagship card ever again now amd is not making top end gpus ?
Someone like me will be amd target consumer. I haven't bought a GPU in years because of pricing. Get me some great performance at 500 or less and I'll buy.
This is the only reasonable thing to do. Value is king.
Thank you for the very interesting opinion piece Danny. Those fraudulent "bold claims" AMD made about RDNA3 is one of the reasons I turned to Nvidia and brought a RTX 4090. I was an Radeon fan up till then, very impressed with Ryzen, so I was disappointed and angry when the facts finally came to light. At least Nvidia hadn't lied about the 4090's capabilities. So, when I added up the points, and considering I'm not young anymore, I gritted my teeth and paid the extra. Then they went up in price! 😅
AMD might be doing a rear guard action against Intel who, by the way, haven't felt the need to make an enthusiast level gfx card... yet. I believe AMD want to focus all their energy on a single processor complex, like with their CPUs, that they can segment with yeild. I actually think they could (and should) get close to the RTX 4080S for $500. They'll need AI implementation like Intel's XeSS and 12-16GB vram though too.
Amd needs to get better with ray tracing or people will keep picking nvidia
Most gamers do not care about ray tracing. Also 7000:l series is decent with ray tracing
I don't care about RT. If my card hadn't broken after 11 years (Radeon HD 7850 1GB) I would still be using it.
I always buy top end Nvidia but I'd buy 4080 level performance for $500 in the 2nd and 3rd PCs for friends to play with.
If the 8800xt is $625-650, it'll still sell especially if it competes with the 4080.
It's not really surprising. AMD is giving up on graphics because the gaming market is horrible right now, and they see tons of money being made in AI, so they are shifting their attention to that. This however, is a big mistake. The AI boom is coming to an end, and most of the demand was coming from investors and enterprise, but not consumers, and its drying up. It will die down in the next couple years, and AMD will have missed the boat entirely. They should looking for the next boat, not chasing the one they just missed.
40 series are a joke relying on AI frame generation to inflate price, so of course it wouldn't be difficult to beat it. The fact AMD has given up on chasing 4090, 5090 etc on the high end market 4K is proof AMD also can't and will never match up. For real gamers resolution matters.
well reasoned and laid out. but you perspective is gaming-centic, which isn't a bad thing, but it's a thing. to me the question is: what's more important, the future of the company or a single gen of gpu's? in any business, if you're in a minority market share situation (to either Nvidia or Intel) and you have a new technology that groundbreaking for both sides of your business. and this technology has a profit margin you have only dreamed of before (MI300's). but you're fiscally limited with a far smaller market cap so you have to pick your fights. the conclusion is clear that you're going to spend what it takes to make a product that has more profit per unit than a case of gaming gpu's and get back to the high end after you bank your profits and can literally capitalize.
Guys obvious AMD and Nvidea are more interested in the AI market segment, while it may lead to a couple to stangnant years oj the desktop side, I believe that in the longer end gaming will benefit from these advancements has well in the future , just hold on
I am looking for decent all AMD laptop with dedicated gpu - nothing on the market right now, except one... just one - framework 16.
why dont AMD just call it RCN or Radeon CDNA 1000 series. or Radeon Compute Next
Won't consider the 8800xt unless they fix their RT performance