There was never going to be an easy solution for Argentina. I'd say what Javier is doing is nothing short of a miracle considering what he had to work with.
@@Houlgravely Yes he is. Dude in white blazer is a complete joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR now divided in far left members and rational ones. He is from the first group. Also members of the Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion. Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points . So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o Poverty measured by UCA in January was 57% , now is 46% the decreasing is due to lowering inflation on food. 25% to 1.2% in 11 months
Keep selling your resources to the US losers, so naive you are still in the south. I’ll enjoy watching you all go dry, dependent on foreign powers sucking tour country dry. Take it from the Mexicans, they rather die on their feet, than live on their knees. That’s why they are moving up while again, while you all keep falling for pipe dream words. Good luck Argentina, you’ll need it.
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion. Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points . So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kidb
@@puertousbmonkey Saying that someone else's allegations are "from a 10 y.o." when you start this by calling the UCR a far left party is by far the most brain-dead thing I've read in a long time, they aren't even a center-left party
@@micelimaxi Your picture is from Socialists International. UCR is a leftist party now divided in far leftists and racional ones. The guy talking is in the first group. UCR is only a 3 % party that doesn't represent anybody. They should invite serious people next time
@@micelimaxi UCR is a leftist party now divided between far leftists and rational ones that believe in fiscal equlibrium. The man talking is from the first group You should know that, your picture is from Socialists International
How about Milei actually reduces the *punitive state: police and offensive military.* Instead of lying about being anarchist, minarchist, or libertarian in any degree.
@user-wl2xl5hm7k He has addressed this many times. If you compare real life to paradise you will always be depressed. The point is to thrive for improvement. What is the point of comparing him to utopian libertarian versions when we live in a statist world? We need to support men like him so that in the future once we have dominance we can push for a world wide revolution against statism
@@bassamalfayeed1384 He’s just not a libertarian in any sense. He’s lying. Ron Paul actually would’ve reduced police and offensive military. Ron Paul is actually libertarian.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7kThen vote Ron Paul into presidency and lets see how it goes. Argentinians had the courage to vote some new ideas to solve their problems including the big insecurity problem
That guy is a total socialist scumbag. Reminds me of all the South American students I would see at universities in the US. Completely infected with socialist idiocracy.
Keep selling your resources and country to the US, so naive you are still in the south. I’ll enjoy watching you all go dry, dependent on foreign powers sucking tour country dry. Take it from the Mexicans, they rather die on their feet, than live on their knees. That’s why Mexicans are moving up, while Argentina keeps falling for pipe dream’s words. Good luck Argentina, you’ll need it. “freedom” was also promised to Mexicans, and it took a long to unchain themselves again from foreign capitalist powers that their governments back to suck other countries dry.
It's a shame that they invited Mr. Rombola, he's from the Radical Party, he's one of those who has ruined Argentina for many years and caused many economic crises. He's one of Milei's enemies, and obviously he hates him because he defeated them and is also taking away all their corrupt businesses and privileges. A real shame, in Argentina there are many more capable people than that guy who was one of those who destroyed Argentina.
Keep selling your resources and country to the US, so naive you are still in the south. I’ll enjoy watching you all go dry, dependent on foreign powers sucking tour country dry. Take it from the Mexicans, they rather die on their feet, than live on their knees. That’s why Mexicans are moving up, while Argentina keeps falling for pipe dream’s words. Good luck Argentina, you’ll need it. “freedom” was also promised to Mexicans, and it took a long to unchain themselves again from foreign capitalist powers that their governments back to suck other countries dry.
Yes! Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion. Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points . So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kid
It's a shame that they invited Mr. Rombola, he's from the Radical Party, he's one of those who has ruined Argentina for many years and caused many economic crises. He's one of Milei's enemies, and obviously he hates him because he defeated them and is also taking away all their corrupt businesses and privileges. A real shame, in Argentina there are many more capable people than that guy who was one of those who destroyed Argentina.
He's hiding the obvious...or trying to. The other guy already said they expected revenue to increase by cutting rates because they were on the wrong side of the Laffer curve. I don't think he knew what that meant, so he just soildered on with his pre-written talking points.
So disingenuous of Rombola to claim it would all have been fine if it had been done more slowly. It was his "loyal opposition" party that screwed Macri when he tried that.
Que devuelvan el dinero de los impuestos estos mentirosos que dicen que Milei es el malo, gente financiada con el dinero de los necesitados de los que menos tienen!!! Ese hombre que señalaste se nota que es uno
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion. Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points . So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kid
It's a shame that they invited Mr. Rombola, he's from the Radical Party, he's one of those who has ruined Argentina for many years and caused many economic crises. He's one of Milei's enemies, and obviously he hates him because he defeated them and is also taking away all their corrupt businesses and privileges. A real shame, in Argentina there are many more capable people than that guy who was one of those who destroyed Argentina
Dude in white blazer is an absolut clown. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR now divided in far left members. Also members of Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion. Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points . So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks. And this resulted of 10 consecutive months of surplus. So those "carry trade" allegations are from a 10 Y.O
At first I was worried that Santiago Forster didn't represent his position well, sporadic points driving home the message of corruption, hyperinflation, and lack of opportunities in Argentina. However Agustin only argued from emotion. That's insane! Imagine losing a debate to a 21 year old undergraduate in your so-called "field of expertise". What a joke Agustin is.
Yes, we are undoubtedly better and on the path to significant improvement. The guy, Rombola, who is wearing the light gray suit and spoke around minute 20, is left-wing. For him, anything Milei does will be wrong-anything. And it’s precisely thanks to the model he advocates for that we’ve ended up where we are. He supports overfunding public universities without allowing external audits of their expenses, insisting instead that they self-audit! Moreover, he is part of the political party associated with the current vice-rectorate of the University of Buenos Aires (UBA)-a person with a track record of taking what doesn’t belong to him since his time as a student activist: Emiliano Yacobitti. That person has close ties to another politician named Martín Lousteau. During Lousteau’s campaign to become mayor of the City of Buenos Aires (a goal he ultimately didn’t achieve), public resources from the UBA were used for his campaign. Rombola doesn’t talk about those things-or many other things for that matter. It’s bizarre that someone like him has the nerve and boldness to speak so freely. Regards.
It's mistake to declare success early, and it's a habit of political revolutionaries and reformers to do so. I do remember Milei conceding that things will get worse before they get better; it will a painful process to get the economy in order. And the blazer guy started his response on a weak point by ceitiquing his opponent for starting with a "history lesson" as if context isn't important, and Milei's lack of accomplishments isn't largely due to a presently short tenure.
Not only that. Milei directly told voters things would get worse before they get better, and they still voted for him, including many of the poor people
This is a pointless debate to have in the present because we are less than one year into Shock Therapy. It is also a pointless debate to have in the future because Milei's reforms will be so successful there will be nothing to argue against aside for cliches like muh inequality.
Rombola is a plain liar. He blamed poverty on over 50% of Milei, but poverty was already over 50% the day Milei took power, and poverty kept rising due to inertia. However, Milei rapidly braked the poverty rise, and today it is already below the levels he found when he took power.
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion. Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points . So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kid
It's because of the criteria. If 99% of people voted yes in the beginning it is basically impossible for the pro position to win. In short, the anti-Milei guy just moved a couple of people from "yes" to "undecided" by presenting some novel concerns about Milei. Those people will probably switch back if they do follow up research.
@@VivekSharma-iu5cm Dude in white blazer is a complete joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR now divided in far left. Also members of the Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion. Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points . So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o Poverty measured by UCA in January was 57% , now is 46% the decreasing is due to lowering inflation on food. 25% to 1.2% in 11 months
It's a shame that they invited Mr. Rombola, he's from the Radical Party, he's one of those who has ruined Argentina for many years and caused many economic crises. He's one of Milei's enemies, and obviously he hates him because he defeated them and is also taking away all their corrupt businesses and privileges. A real shame, in Argentina there are many more capable people than that guy who was one of those who destroyed Argentina.
*1 of 2. This is how you always should vote worldwide-* We must fully criticize and _always vote_ *against* (& less authoritarian than) both the Republican *and* Democratic Parties- including *Tim Walz, Kamala Harris,* AOC, all of the squad, Bernie Sanders, Edward Markey, Mark Pocan, the justice democrats, & all other democrats. Vote in every single election- at all levels. And also _endorse or anti-endorse,_ in all elections you can, for outside your voting jurisdiction. For _all_ public positions. And this same strategy applies against the one or more party-monopolies in _all_ countries worldwide. Real progressives will never be Democratic Members or Democratic loyalists. Never vote for _any_ Republican member or loyalist either. If no candidates for a position fit that bill: -Where _write-ins_ are permissible, always write-in an anti-authoritarian person; -Where write-ins aren’t permissible, always vote uncommitted or leave the ballot blank. This will continuously reduce the power of _all_ authoritarian parties in the party monopolies: Until our task is complete. Repeat strategy for all new authoritarian parties that emerge. *2 of 2. This is how you always should vote worldwide-* We must fully criticize and _always vote_ *against* (& less authoritarian than) both the Democratic *and* Republican Parties- including *Trump,* RFK Jr., Vivek Ramaswamy, Rand Paul (He’s _no_ Ron Paul), Thomas Massie, Warren Davidson, Ron Johnson, and all other Republicans. Vote in every single election- at all levels. And also _endorse or anti-endorse,_ in all elections you can, for outside your voting jurisdiction. For _all_ public positions. And this same strategy applies against the same one or more party-monopolies in _all_ countries worldwide. Real libertarians will never be Republicans or Republican loyalists. Never vote for _any_ Democratic member or loyalist either. If no candidates for a position fit that bill: -Where _write-ins_ are permissible, always write-in an anti-authoritarian person; -Where write-ins aren’t permissible, always vote uncommitted or leave the ballot blank. This will continuously reduce the power of _all_ authoritarian parties in the party monopolies: Until our task is complete. Repeat strategy for all new authoritarian parties that emerge.
When you can fund, ideologically, you will naturally fund those countries, idiologically, in line with your expectations. As capitalism collects capital, by harvesting the value of the worker, you can then gund these other countries idiologically. You can also fund military inception into the political institutions of those countries. The problem is that like a snake eats it's own tail, it slowly consumes itself.
What the communist speaker is missing is that Milei inhetited a dumpster fire. He cant wave a magic wand and make it all better. It will take time. But the improvement trends are staggeringly impressive.
Argentina is very rich in raw materials that the world monopolies need in order to grow exponentially and exploitatively. Milei is opening all doors to them. The middle classes and the poor will bleed to the last drop. Perhaps one day the majority of Argentinians WILL LEARN to defend themselves. Before the world monopolies have stripped away the entire foundation and the whole building collapses.
If Mr Rombola is looking for “tangible progress”, I would say that reducing the December 2023 24.3% inflation to a 2.3% October 2024 inflation is an unequivocal and extremely tangible indicator of progress; and I would also include reducing the staggering public deficit as a positive indicator; as well as a country risk dive from 2500 to about 700. Are we still in dire straits? We certainly are. About 50% of our population have been living under the line of poverty for some time already and the first country in Latin America to reduce illiteracy to barely 2% in the XX Century now has about 42% of its children out of the school system. There is a lot to be done yet. A lot! We should be generous with Mr. Rombola, he is in desperate need for a training to develop debating skills; and we’ll have to go back to him in a year or 2 on his predictions about how Milei is turning Argentina into the “soviet” version of itself.
1:03:23 Rombolá is so disingenuous here. The IMF predictions were in line with the trend at the time, but there was clarification that whichever measures taken by the next government could alter those predictions dramatically. They revised their predictions in January 2024 towards a contraction of the economy once they saw the measures Milei's administration was taking. Were they supposed to read Milei's mind and predict the outcome of the election to know for sure? Incredibly disingenuous.
Glasses guy is not the best guy for this debate. He’s trying to win way more than he’s trying to arrive at the best answer. Very charismatic, but not engaging in the actual debate as much
This Agustín Rombolá guy is an ignorant moron. 🤦♂️ Soho should have invited a libertarian. This guy thinks minimum wage laws are a positive thing for the poor. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ He might be right that Milei is a conman and a big government anti liberty monster but he didn’t make his case very well. I would have made that argument about the Laffer curve and heightened policing.
@@Puerco-Potter idk which libertarians you know but the ones I know I have had very heated conversations with. One topic in particular that gets heated easily is Israel vs Palestine. I’ve even seen libertarians argue in favor of US involvement and that just baffles me.
Javier Milei has made an incredible improvement.All the numbers supports his work and the direction of argentina is certain for the fist time in a century Everything else is totally lame... Kind Regards.
Reagan's economic plan was, and still is, horrible, so no wonder it was rocky. There's a reason trickle down economics is laughed at by any economist worth their salt. Milei diagnosed the biggest problem with Argentina's economy, and is taking steps to solve it. There's a massive difference.
@@zigzag321go Then why not a single book of liberal economics talk about said "trickling down" because that's not how money moves even if a company or government has inefficiencies it's not guaranteed (nor likely) that lost money will end up on the hands of someone in need. But what is said is that economic growth is the only sustainable way to get people out of poverty. And yeah is very easy to say "I'm not getting any of the money circulating. Why?" and the reason is nobody wants to give it to you not for your work or not for your goods, that's it.
I’m far from an expert on this, but I have seen Whitney Webb raise an interesting point concerning Milei’s signing of a “pre-crime” bill where AI scours the internet and monitors the citizens in the name of security. This does sound wildly Orwellian and anti-libertarian to me.
Argentinian here, I don't know who Whitney Webb is, and what you said is exactly the main reason I don't hear anyone in the middle, I just go to the ministries or to Milei's account, you can translate to English, we don't have bills, we have laws, never have I ever see (And I fully follow Milei, his presidential spokesperson and all his Ministeries) talking about a law like that, not only that, he will never have the votes to do so, and I imagine of his own political party, taking in consideration he still have the minority in deputies and senators (that will change in 2025). TL-DR: Don't use legacy media or any other "man in the middle" between information, go to the source directly, especially if it is about foreign policies and politics.
@@AnotherFancyUser I’ve tried multiple times to respond here more in depth but my comment keeps ironically being ć€ñș0ř€ď. But here is the resolution MINISTRY OF SECURITY Resolution 710/2024 RESOL-2024-710-APN-MSG
@@gabrvllthere is and I’ve posted it here multiple times but it keeps getting removed. Here is what I responded to the other person: I’ve tried multiple times to respond here more in depth but my comment keeps ironically being ć€ñș0ř€ď. But here is the resolution MINISTRY OF SECURITY Resolution 710/2024 RESOL-2024-710-APN-MSG
Lolol, claiming Milei has "so few accomplishments" is wild when he's beem doing things that literally havent been done in decades or even (for example in the case of a balanced budget) in over 100 years 😂
Agustín Dante Rombolá is straight rumbling. Incoherent, unlogical. They way he speak is not up to the for Soho Forum standards. He should lose even without the opponent.
Excuse me, but did he just say “how are you robbing them through deflation? You’re not.” Is he referring to taxing in order to remove currency bills out of circulation. 👀👀👀 That is literally robbery. (Incompetent robbery, but robbery nonetheless.) also, no this doesn’t benefit the people you steal those currency bills from. They have less resources but they are the same resources of the same value or virtually the same value and you can’t split one two ways like you can 2 even if it’s the considered the same value in some contexts.
Hi , I don't know if this answers your question necessarily but for context as you may know, Argentina has a very inflated currency and many tipes of bills, for example, there exists yet a 20 and a 100 pesos bills, a dólar is worth about 1225 pesos
You may understand that these money bills are essentially useless. The answer of the government is to pay their internal finances with that very deflated currency until it "disappears" so to say, as realistically, those bills are so old that don't even represent their monetary value accurately. This is done so that they can create higher value bills like the 20.000 pesos without creating further inflation as those new bills fill the void that the other moneybills left.
That "void" is also filled with dollars by artificial means so that they can be spelled in the "black market" as, believe it or not, even with us inflation, Argentina's prices gravitate towards the dollar. When people hear a price in pesos they think the value in dollars because is the main holder of value so to say in argentinian households
Inflation is an unlawful tax that poor people pay. Every time you print money, it becomes less valuable; thus, every bill buys fewer things. The government robs its citizens by printing money and making it less valuable over time so it can reduce their debt. Reducing inflation is the best policy for reducing poverty.
So far, he’s reducing inflation by keeping the country’s currency artificially expensive and completely halting public works. On the positive side, he has managed to cut some superfluous public spending and implement some beneficial deregulation. Politically, however, he’s encouraging a youth movement that plays with fire by calling themselves the "armed wing of the party" and organizing fascist-themed meetings. Really dangerous
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion. Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points . So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kid
I suppose you have heard of "armed arm" in the traditional media that are against Milei, they always cut the 5 seconds after which they clarify that the cell phone is their weapon with which they deny the lies.
No one had any doubts that it was possible to reduce inflation by cutting every single expense that the state has. Problem is they asserted that *all* inflation was just government deficit, and yet it's still huge and not even close to 0. Meanwhile, anyone with at least 2 neurons could have told you that it wasn't the whole story, and that such extreme shock doctrine and austerity in a country riddled with foreign debt and that's historically completely dependent on raw material exports for maintaining its reserves and upholding the little industry it has was gonna bring catastrophic consequences. We've seen this before in the 90s, culminating with the worst financial crisis in the country's history in 2001. Back then, Argentina had implemented a pseudo-dollarization (a policy he campaigned on and is still pushing to an extent) and could not keep the charade up.
I think the microecon policies behind deregulation are possibly even more important. The best monetary policy in the world can't compensate for rent control.
_Actual_ libertarians & ancaps have to have reduction of police and military as their policy. These two are the essence of the punitive-state. If that’s not in their policy, then by definition they aren’t libertarian or ancap. Milei is neither libertarian nor ancap nor minarchist.
Dude come on. He is clearly trying to reduce state. But he can't do anything he wants. He is not a king. He is a president. He needs to pass necessary laws to reduce the state. He have a minority in the parliament. What are you smoking?
he is a minarchist, he believes in a minimum amount of state, but our military was ignored so much during the past decade we lost most of our capabilities, also they passed legislation that makes it hard to patrol our borders. But you clearly haven't seen Argentina and it's problems with security and defense. And yeah of course any liberal would like to go in that direction but we live in the real world, and threats exist. You know what happens when police no longe show up? In rosario the narcos started killing random people on the street to create terror and gain control (if you don't control the street somebody else will). Since Milei started tackling this problem homicides in that city were reduced by more than 70%. So is he being hypocritical or he just lives in reality?
Hahaha your comment must be the dumbest one i read in a while... While its true that in theory the total abolition of the government is what libertarians and ancaps wish, those thing would be one of the last thing they would abolish, they would still use them to protect the individual rights until the end is accomplished
What are you talking about ???? The increase of the poverty comes from 25 years of populism Kirschnerista !! You do not know nothing of the economic to discuss any debate.
Not a fair debate. We need to invite Milei Anti who can speak better English. An important point of debate is to convince audience using the art of language and rhetoric. You couldn’t do it to your audience without good language skills even if you had valid arguments.
That’s not a debate, just propaganda. Learn critical thinking and informal logic. Logic and arguments are what matter. Here you’re appealing to the ad populum fallacy. It’s a major no no. Aesthetics don’t matter at all for soundness of arguments.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k You are not going to find truth in a debate. You would be better learning through normal discussion or even better, “dialectics”. Debate has been a rhetorical game and an intellectual show since Ancient Greece and Rome. Politicians and lawyers learnt rhetorical skills specifically for court cases and debate since antiquity. You have famous and incredibly talented people like Cicero doing it and it has been a tradition. This is why greek philosophers like Plato were famous for preferrering dialectic instead of debate and they hated sophists who were extremely good at debating people but used deceptive arguments.
This is so wrong. The whole point of a debate is to convince an audience using a solid logical argument, not to deceive them with fancy language. I would be much more swayed by a person speaking in broken English but with a sound logical argument, than a gifted English speaker talking a bunch of nonsensical crap
@@leecooper1644 I’ve never believed that debate is an effective form of learning because, since the antiquity, people have used deceptive language in debates-and they’ve often done so successfully. It’s much more enjoyable if you think of it as a kind of intellectual sport rather than a serious learning method. Another issue is that when someone is focused on speaking a language they’re not fluent in, their brain doesn’t have enough capacity to formulate logical arguments at the same time. This often results in broken English and weaker arguments overall.
There was never going to be an easy solution for Argentina. I'd say what Javier is doing is nothing short of a miracle considering what he had to work with.
@@Houlgravely Yes he is.
Dude in white blazer is a complete joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR now divided in far left members and rational ones. He is from the first group. Also members of the Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion.
Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points .
So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o
Poverty measured by UCA in January was 57% , now is 46% the decreasing is due to lowering inflation on food. 25% to 1.2% in 11 months
Keep selling your resources to the US losers, so naive you are still in the south. I’ll enjoy watching you all go dry, dependent on foreign powers sucking tour country dry. Take it from the Mexicans, they rather die on their feet, than live on their knees. That’s why they are moving up while again, while you all keep falling for pipe dream words. Good luck Argentina, you’ll need it.
Internationalists are the absolute scum of the Earth.@@puertousbmonkey
Argentinian here.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion.
Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points .
So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kidb
@@puertousbmonkey Saying that someone else's allegations are "from a 10 y.o." when you start this by calling the UCR a far left party is by far the most brain-dead thing I've read in a long time, they aren't even a center-left party
@@micelimaxi Your picture is from Socialists International. UCR is a leftist party now divided in far leftists and racional ones. The guy talking is in the first group.
UCR is only a 3 % party that doesn't represent anybody.
They should invite serious people next time
@@micelimaxi UCR is a leftist party now divided between far leftists and rational ones that believe in fiscal equlibrium. The man talking is from the first group
You should know that, your picture is from Socialists International
Y agrego.
Rombola la tenés adentro.
Milei isn't applying bandaids, he's ripping them off to let the pus drain.
The answer is: Yes. Though withdrawal from fiscal heroin can be pretty painful. But I hope he can continue improving their situation.
"Fiscal heroin" is a great phrase.
How about Milei actually reduces the *punitive state: police and offensive military.* Instead of lying about being anarchist, minarchist, or libertarian in any degree.
@user-wl2xl5hm7k He has addressed this many times. If you compare real life to paradise you will always be depressed. The point is to thrive for improvement. What is the point of comparing him to utopian libertarian versions when we live in a statist world? We need to support men like him so that in the future once we have dominance we can push for a world wide revolution against statism
@@bassamalfayeed1384 He’s just not a libertarian in any sense. He’s lying.
Ron Paul actually would’ve reduced police and offensive military. Ron Paul is actually libertarian.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7kThen vote Ron Paul into presidency and lets see how it goes. Argentinians had the courage to vote some new ideas to solve their problems including the big insecurity problem
I want my 2 hours back. Debating a guy that thinks inflation is caused by consumption should have been a red flag
That guy is a total socialist scumbag. Reminds me of all the South American students I would see at universities in the US. Completely infected with socialist idiocracy.
In Argentina he's only known (marginally) for being a lolcow
yeah, I didn't even watch this. the guy is one of the heads of the "radicalismo". An uber-educated educated left-party.
I am an Argentinian, and we are so much better with Milei
Keep selling your resources and country to the US, so naive you are still in the south. I’ll enjoy watching you all go dry, dependent on foreign powers sucking tour country dry. Take it from the Mexicans, they rather die on their feet, than live on their knees. That’s why Mexicans are moving up, while Argentina keeps falling for pipe dream’s words. Good luck Argentina, you’ll need it. “freedom” was also promised to Mexicans, and it took a long to unchain themselves again from foreign capitalist powers that their governments back to suck other countries dry.
Santiago debated with arguments and Agustin sounded like an everyday politician which I don’t want to rule Argentina.
It's a shame that they invited Mr. Rombola, he's from the Radical Party, he's one of those who has ruined Argentina for many years and caused many economic crises. He's one of Milei's enemies, and obviously he hates him because he defeated them and is also taking away all their corrupt businesses and privileges. A real shame, in Argentina there are many more capable people than that guy who was one of those who destroyed Argentina.
Thanks for the support!
Cutting funding to universities simply forces those institutions to prioritize the important segments while cutting out the waste.
The problem with public universities is that they dont want to show in what they expend the money
We argentines , for the first time are having HOPE again . We have an HONEST and Capable President. Yes!
YES. YES HE IS. Best President we ever had.❤
Keep selling your resources and country to the US, so naive you are still in the south. I’ll enjoy watching you all go dry, dependent on foreign powers sucking tour country dry. Take it from the Mexicans, they rather die on their feet, than live on their knees. That’s why Mexicans are moving up, while Argentina keeps falling for pipe dream’s words. Good luck Argentina, you’ll need it. “freedom” was also promised to Mexicans, and it took a long to unchain themselves again from foreign capitalist powers that their governments back to suck other countries dry.
Poverty January 2024 57%
now 46%
Measured by UCA
This variable decreasing is due to reducing inflation on food, what poor people most need
Viva La Libertad Carajo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We all hope for the amazing people of Argentina! 🇦🇷
Yes!
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion.
Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points .
So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kid
White suit guy lost the argument as soon as he called Milei a communist.
The socialists\communists are getting desperate that they needed to call us libertarians and anarcho-capitalists communists.
White suit dude is all emotion, zero brain. Since when is tax measured by gdp? 😂 just tell us how much the tax went up
It's a shame that they invited Mr. Rombola, he's from the Radical Party, he's one of those who has ruined Argentina for many years and caused many economic crises. He's one of Milei's enemies, and obviously he hates him because he defeated them and is also taking away all their corrupt businesses and privileges. A real shame, in Argentina there are many more capable people than that guy who was one of those who destroyed Argentina.
he cannot even do 2 + 2 , we don't like him and he's extremely unpopular. Luckily, He'll never achieve any position of power
"All emotion, zero brain" is pretty much how the political left operates.
He's hiding the obvious...or trying to. The other guy already said they expected revenue to increase by cutting rates because they were on the wrong side of the Laffer curve. I don't think he knew what that meant, so he just soildered on with his pre-written talking points.
So disingenuous of Rombola to claim it would all have been fine if it had been done more slowly. It was his "loyal opposition" party that screwed Macri when he tried that.
46:32 If the result of financing Argentine universities with my taxes was to create a liar like you, give me my money back!
Que devuelvan el dinero de los impuestos estos mentirosos que dicen que Milei es el malo, gente financiada con el dinero de los necesitados de los que menos tienen!!! Ese hombre que señalaste se nota que es uno
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion.
Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points .
So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kid
It's a shame that they invited Mr. Rombola, he's from the Radical Party, he's one of those who has ruined Argentina for many years and caused many economic crises. He's one of Milei's enemies, and obviously he hates him because he defeated them and is also taking away all their corrupt businesses and privileges. A real shame, in Argentina there are many more capable people than that guy who was one of those who destroyed Argentina
Dude in white blazer is an absolut clown. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR now divided in far left members. Also members of Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion.
Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points .
So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks. And this resulted of 10 consecutive months of surplus. So those "carry trade" allegations are from a 10 Y.O
No sorprende la poca honestidad intelectual de Rombola. Varias veces le indicaron sus errores pero el insiste, no escucha su contraparte
At first I was worried that Santiago Forster didn't represent his position well, sporadic points driving home the message of corruption, hyperinflation, and lack of opportunities in Argentina. However Agustin only argued from emotion. That's insane! Imagine losing a debate to a 21 year old undergraduate in your so-called "field of expertise". What a joke Agustin is.
Not even arguing well about the implications of changing certain economic policies.
Answer: Yes.
More than I voted.
Hug
Yes, we are undoubtedly better and on the path to significant improvement. The guy, Rombola, who is wearing the light gray suit and spoke around minute 20, is left-wing. For him, anything Milei does will be wrong-anything. And it’s precisely thanks to the model he advocates for that we’ve ended up where we are. He supports overfunding public universities without allowing external audits of their expenses, insisting instead that they self-audit!
Moreover, he is part of the political party associated with the current vice-rectorate of the University of Buenos Aires (UBA)-a person with a track record of taking what doesn’t belong to him since his time as a student activist: Emiliano Yacobitti. That person has close ties to another politician named Martín Lousteau. During Lousteau’s campaign to become mayor of the City of Buenos Aires (a goal he ultimately didn’t achieve), public resources from the UBA were used for his campaign. Rombola doesn’t talk about those things-or many other things for that matter. It’s bizarre that someone like him has the nerve and boldness to speak so freely.
Regards.
Yes, of courseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Long live freedom, damn iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!
Argentines continue to dream and global corporations take everything with the greatest freedom that Milei allows.
It's mistake to declare success early, and it's a habit of political revolutionaries and reformers to do so. I do remember Milei conceding that things will get worse before they get better; it will a painful process to get the economy in order.
And the blazer guy started his response on a weak point by ceitiquing his opponent for starting with a "history lesson" as if context isn't important, and Milei's lack of accomplishments isn't largely due to a presently short tenure.
Not only that. Milei directly told voters things would get worse before they get better, and they still voted for him, including many of the poor people
Sí, por supuestooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Viva la libertad, carajooooooooooooooooo!
This is a pointless debate to have in the present because we are less than one year into Shock Therapy. It is also a pointless debate to have in the future because Milei's reforms will be so successful there will be nothing to argue against aside for cliches like muh inequality.
Don't trust a single word this Rombola said, he's truly ignorant and deceitful.
Rombola is a plain liar. He blamed poverty on over 50% of Milei, but poverty was already over 50% the day Milei took power, and poverty kept rising due to inertia. However, Milei rapidly braked the poverty rise, and today it is already below the levels he found when he took power.
@Cirwlos Indeed. He also lied about the university
Es radical, así que sí, seguramente
@@solecipollaritenía que ser de la internacional socialista.
No es economista
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion.
Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points .
So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kid
Can't believe the guy in the white suit won tne debate.
It's because of the criteria. If 99% of people voted yes in the beginning it is basically impossible for the pro position to win.
In short, the anti-Milei guy just moved a couple of people from "yes" to "undecided" by presenting some novel concerns about Milei. Those people will probably switch back if they do follow up research.
He tugged on their emotions. Emotions don’t solve problems. Many times it’s quite the opposite
@@VivekSharma-iu5cm Dude in white blazer is a complete joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR now divided in far left. Also members of the Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion.
Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points .
So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o
Poverty measured by UCA in January was 57% , now is 46% the decreasing is due to lowering inflation on food. 25% to 1.2% in 11 months
He won because he judged Milei with libertarian standards. It is the black suit's job to defend Milei, and he sounded apologetic.
ABSOLUTELY YES
🇦🇷🤍🌎🦁🍾🥂🤍🇦🇷🌎🥂🦁🍾🇦🇷
Absolutely yes, I don't need a 2 hours debate to say so, I live in Argentina. AVE MILLER
Rombolá's arguments were too weak
It's a shame that they invited Mr. Rombola, he's from the Radical Party, he's one of those who has ruined Argentina for many years and caused many economic crises. He's one of Milei's enemies, and obviously he hates him because he defeated them and is also taking away all their corrupt businesses and privileges. A real shame, in Argentina there are many more capable people than that guy who was one of those who destroyed Argentina.
*1 of 2. This is how you always should vote worldwide-*
We must fully criticize and _always vote_ *against* (& less authoritarian than) both the Republican *and* Democratic Parties- including *Tim Walz, Kamala Harris,* AOC, all of the squad, Bernie Sanders, Edward Markey, Mark Pocan, the justice democrats, & all other democrats. Vote in every single election- at all levels. And also _endorse or anti-endorse,_ in all elections you can, for outside your voting jurisdiction.
For _all_ public positions. And this same strategy applies against the one or more party-monopolies in _all_ countries worldwide.
Real progressives will never be Democratic Members or Democratic loyalists. Never vote for _any_ Republican member or loyalist either.
If no candidates for a position fit that bill:
-Where _write-ins_ are permissible, always write-in an anti-authoritarian person;
-Where write-ins aren’t permissible, always vote uncommitted or leave the ballot blank.
This will continuously reduce the power of _all_ authoritarian parties in the party monopolies: Until our task is complete.
Repeat strategy for all new authoritarian parties that emerge.
*2 of 2. This is how you always should vote worldwide-*
We must fully criticize and _always vote_ *against* (& less authoritarian than) both the Democratic *and* Republican Parties- including *Trump,* RFK Jr., Vivek Ramaswamy, Rand Paul (He’s _no_ Ron Paul), Thomas Massie, Warren Davidson, Ron Johnson, and all other Republicans. Vote in every single election- at all levels. And also _endorse or anti-endorse,_ in all elections you can, for outside your voting jurisdiction.
For _all_ public positions. And this same strategy applies against the same one or more party-monopolies in _all_ countries worldwide.
Real libertarians will never be Republicans or Republican loyalists. Never vote for _any_ Democratic member or loyalist either.
If no candidates for a position fit that bill:
-Where _write-ins_ are permissible, always write-in an anti-authoritarian person;
-Where write-ins aren’t permissible, always vote uncommitted or leave the ballot blank.
This will continuously reduce the power of _all_ authoritarian parties in the party monopolies: Until our task is complete.
Repeat strategy for all new authoritarian parties that emerge.
mf u coulda just included the democrats and republican in that same section and not just copy and pasting the whole thing again
He's 21!
Santiago Foster 👏👏👏
Thank you!
Yes. Milei is saving us! I want to vote for him again right now
Rombola trabajó para la campaña de Rodriguez Larreta y Lousteau. Todo dicho.
When you can fund, ideologically, you will naturally fund those countries, idiologically, in line with your expectations. As capitalism collects capital, by harvesting the value of the worker, you can then gund these other countries idiologically. You can also fund military inception into the political institutions of those countries. The problem is that like a snake eats it's own tail, it slowly consumes itself.
Yes. Hug.
What the communist speaker is missing is that Milei inhetited a dumpster fire. He cant wave a magic wand and make it all better. It will take time. But the improvement trends are staggeringly impressive.
Long Live Freedom 🗽🇦🇷! Milei is the best thing that has happened to Argentina and to the world 🌎🤍🌎
🦁JAVIER MILEI IS THE BEST PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD!!!🦁
LONG LIVE FREEDOM DAMMMMMMIT
Please include the word "Debate" in the thumbnail and video title. That's what you always used to do. I don't know why you ever stopped.
Argentina is very rich in raw materials that the world monopolies need in order to grow exponentially and exploitatively. Milei is opening all doors to them. The middle classes and the poor will bleed to the last drop. Perhaps one day the majority of Argentinians WILL LEARN to defend themselves. Before the world monopolies have stripped away the entire foundation and the whole building collapses.
Yes, he is.
Hug.
Yes he is doing it. 🇦🇷
If Mr Rombola is looking for “tangible progress”, I would say that reducing the December 2023 24.3% inflation to a 2.3% October 2024 inflation is an unequivocal and extremely tangible indicator of progress; and I would also include reducing the staggering public deficit as a positive indicator; as well as a country risk dive from 2500 to about 700.
Are we still in dire straits? We certainly are. About 50% of our population have been living under the line of poverty for some time already and the first country in Latin America to reduce illiteracy to barely 2% in the XX Century now has about 42% of its children out of the school system. There is a lot to be done yet. A lot!
We should be generous with Mr. Rombola, he is in desperate need for a training to develop debating skills; and we’ll have to go back to him in a year or 2 on his predictions about how Milei is turning Argentina into the “soviet” version of itself.
Y comparto la apreciación que alguien hizo antes. LTA Rombolá. Como te paseó Fijap.
No ví qué pasó pero Fijap es un tipazo
jajaj me sonaba de algún lado este aparato. No es economista . Sturzenegger era su ministro en Jxc 😂
1:03:23 Rombolá is so disingenuous here. The IMF predictions were in line with the trend at the time, but there was clarification that whichever measures taken by the next government could alter those predictions dramatically. They revised their predictions in January 2024 towards a contraction of the economy once they saw the measures Milei's administration was taking. Were they supposed to read Milei's mind and predict the outcome of the election to know for sure?
Incredibly disingenuous.
Milei está salvando a mi país Argentina, y el que piense lo contrario le puede tirar la goma a Zaracho
Santiago won hands down!🎉
Thanks!
Milei warned us that things will get worse before they get better
Sometimes, you can't help the alcoholics.
If the elites are complaining, he's doing God's work.
YES ✅ 😀
you're only 21 ? OMG
Thank you!
Radicalist are leaving Radicalism in Argentina. THANK YOU MILEI!!!
I really hope to see a good debate about Javier Milei. So far, I've seen two smackdowns. This was a joke because the guy in the white was so clueless.
Glasses guy is not the best guy for this debate. He’s trying to win way more than he’s trying to arrive at the best answer. Very charismatic, but not engaging in the actual debate as much
Of course
Jamas pensé que iba a escuchar un kuka llorar en ingles, que cosa hermosa
Tiene que recuperar las Islas Malvinas y lo apoyaremos .
They are using monthly inflation rates
Ave Miller.
Isn't it rather soon to be making any judgments?
viva la libertad carajo
This Agustín Rombolá guy is an ignorant moron. 🤦♂️
Soho should have invited a libertarian. This guy thinks minimum wage laws are a positive thing for the poor. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ He might be right that Milei is a conman and a big government anti liberty monster but he didn’t make his case very well. I would have made that argument about the Laffer curve and heightened policing.
Bring two libertarian to debate? That's not a debate, that's a conversation
I personally know him pretty nice guy
@@Puerco-Potter idk which libertarians you know but the ones I know I have had very heated conversations with.
One topic in particular that gets heated easily is Israel vs Palestine. I’ve even seen libertarians argue in favor of US involvement and that just baffles me.
I agree Javier is not a livertarian. I'm pretty sure he eats other foods besides liver.
Javier Milei has made an incredible improvement.All the numbers supports his work and the direction of argentina is certain for the fist time in a century Everything else is totally lame...
Kind Regards.
Argentina, is not interesting about productive jobs,public jobs is in their minds.
Esto sale mal...
Flaco discutimos nuestra política hasta en las universidades yankis
Did anyone expect the communist to make sense?
Argentina, have addiction to credit and printing money like an alcholic.
Didn’t Gorbachev reduce the state? So in some sense I suppose you could say it’s soviet like if that’s what you mean. 🤭🤭🤭
Gorbachecv did that when the Soviet Union collapsed and reformed to capitalism, dumb4ss
Reagan's first couple of years in office were rocky. Volcker's actions took time to transform.
Praising Republicans. Duopolist found in chat
Reagan's economic plan was, and still is, horrible, so no wonder it was rocky. There's a reason trickle down economics is laughed at by any economist worth their salt.
Milei diagnosed the biggest problem with Argentina's economy, and is taking steps to solve it. There's a massive difference.
@@zigzag321go Then why not a single book of liberal economics talk about said "trickling down" because that's not how money moves even if a company or government has inefficiencies it's not guaranteed (nor likely) that lost money will end up on the hands of someone in need. But what is said is that economic growth is the only sustainable way to get people out of poverty. And yeah is very easy to say "I'm not getting any of the money circulating. Why?" and the reason is nobody wants to give it to you not for your work or not for your goods, that's it.
Fenómeno barrial!!!😂😂😂
Now Milei is changing the world...
Viva la libertad carajo!!! 💪💪💪
Yes. Hugs!
Alberto Fernandez de Kirchner jajajaja, el economista de Lousteau miente.
I’m far from an expert on this, but I have seen Whitney Webb raise an interesting point concerning Milei’s signing of a “pre-crime” bill where AI scours the internet and monitors the citizens in the name of security. This does sound wildly Orwellian and anti-libertarian to me.
Argentinian here, I don't know who Whitney Webb is, and what you said is exactly the main reason I don't hear anyone in the middle, I just go to the ministries or to Milei's account, you can translate to English, we don't have bills, we have laws, never have I ever see (And I fully follow Milei, his presidential spokesperson and all his Ministeries) talking about a law like that, not only that, he will never have the votes to do so, and I imagine of his own political party, taking in consideration he still have the minority in deputies and senators (that will change in 2025).
TL-DR: Don't use legacy media or any other "man in the middle" between information, go to the source directly, especially if it is about foreign policies and politics.
@@AnotherFancyUser I’ve tried multiple times to respond here more in depth but my comment keeps ironically being ć€ñș0ř€ď. But here is the resolution
MINISTRY OF SECURITY
Resolution 710/2024
RESOL-2024-710-APN-MSG
@@AnotherFancyUseres una investigadora independiente, nada de legacy media. Y es un tema que si planteo la Pato Bullrich
There's no evidence regarding that, in fact, Mile's popularity grew thanks to social media and he's anti-regulations.
@@gabrvllthere is and I’ve posted it here multiple times but it keeps getting removed. Here is what I responded to the other person:
I’ve tried multiple times to respond here more in depth but my comment keeps ironically being ć€ñș0ř€ď. But here is the resolution MINISTRY OF SECURITY Resolution 710/2024 RESOL-2024-710-APN-MSG
Agustin, does not tell you the true. He is a liar.
To be honest if Argentina wasn’t so racist I would actually move there in a few years the way they’re heading
why are you so racist against argentines? They just live their own lifes. Don't be rude.
@ i mean this is documented and they’re history proves his as well
Argentina is racist?...why? Bcs there are no "african americans"?... Please enlight me, why is argentina racist?
@@alexiscanseco8480 TH-cam or Google search argentina indigenous massacre
@@alexiscanseco8480
Theire were blacks actually before..those plantocrats brought black slaves to Argentina to.
Thank you, REASON.
Agustin aprovecha de mentir en todo tipico politico buenista... el oculta la verdad.
Lolol, claiming Milei has "so few accomplishments" is wild when he's beem doing things that literally havent been done in decades or even (for example in the case of a balanced budget) in over 100 years 😂
Both the debaters were frustratingly inarticulate (Agustín Dante Rombolá was worse).
Agreed. Everyone just needs to admit that Milei is not libertarian at all and doesn’t want to reduce police or offensive military at all.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7kmilei is a conservative with some economic plans, nothing more
Agustín Dante Rombolá is straight rumbling. Incoherent, unlogical. They way he speak is not up to the for Soho Forum standards. He should lose even without the opponent.
Excuse me, but did he just say “how are you robbing them through deflation? You’re not.” Is he referring to taxing in order to remove currency bills out of circulation. 👀👀👀 That is literally robbery. (Incompetent robbery, but robbery nonetheless.) also, no this doesn’t benefit the people you steal those currency bills from. They have less resources but they are the same resources of the same value or virtually the same value and you can’t split one two ways like you can 2 even if it’s the considered the same value in some contexts.
Hi , I don't know if this answers your question necessarily but for context as you may know, Argentina has a very inflated currency and many tipes of bills, for example, there exists yet a 20 and a 100 pesos bills, a dólar is worth about 1225 pesos
You may understand that these money bills are essentially useless. The answer of the government is to pay their internal finances with that very deflated currency until it "disappears" so to say, as realistically, those bills are so old that don't even represent their monetary value accurately. This is done so that they can create higher value bills like the 20.000 pesos without creating further inflation as those new bills fill the void that the other moneybills left.
That "void" is also filled with dollars by artificial means so that they can be spelled in the "black market" as, believe it or not, even with us inflation, Argentina's prices gravitate towards the dollar. When people hear a price in pesos they think the value in dollars because is the main holder of value so to say in argentinian households
Inflation is an unlawful tax that poor people pay. Every time you print money, it becomes less valuable; thus, every bill buys fewer things. The government robs its citizens by printing money and making it less valuable over time so it can reduce their debt. Reducing inflation is the best policy for reducing poverty.
So far, he’s reducing inflation by keeping the country’s currency artificially expensive and completely halting public works. On the positive side, he has managed to cut some superfluous public spending and implement some beneficial deregulation. Politically, however, he’s encouraging a youth movement that plays with fire by calling themselves the "armed wing of the party" and organizing fascist-themed meetings. Really dangerous
I don't understand why he can't be for economic change without having to be against social freedom. You are free to be a conservative, basically.
Dude in white blazer is joke. He is not an economist. He is from a party called UCR and is a far left party called Internacional Socialista. The truth is argentinian bonds and stocks increased their value by 130% since Milei got to administarion.
Country risk has lowered from 2300 to 700 points .
So those bonds quite solid. Milei stopped money printing, never went in debt with internacional banks and reduced public spending by 35% . And the result is that he obtained 10 months of surplus . So those "carry trade " allegations are from a 10 y.o kid
I suppose you have heard of "armed arm" in the traditional media that are against Milei, they always cut the 5 seconds after which they clarify that the cell phone is their weapon with which they deny the lies.
Argentina has had a fascist economic system for most of a century. I'm pretty sure Milei is the opposite of that.
Bullshit. The U.S. is more fascist than Argentina rn. The youth will be too busy trying to make money. If someone threatens that then they will fight.
TANGIBLE? M I R A C U L O U S !!!!!
Sounds like a bit component hinges on whether the inflation reduction is in fact genuine.
Well, duh. That IS Milei's entire platform summed up in two words.
No one had any doubts that it was possible to reduce inflation by cutting every single expense that the state has. Problem is they asserted that *all* inflation was just government deficit, and yet it's still huge and not even close to 0.
Meanwhile, anyone with at least 2 neurons could have told you that it wasn't the whole story, and that such extreme shock doctrine and austerity in a country riddled with foreign debt and that's historically completely dependent on raw material exports for maintaining its reserves and upholding the little industry it has was gonna bring catastrophic consequences.
We've seen this before in the 90s, culminating with the worst financial crisis in the country's history in 2001. Back then, Argentina had implemented a pseudo-dollarization (a policy he campaigned on and is still pushing to an extent) and could not keep the charade up.
I think the microecon policies behind deregulation are possibly even more important. The best monetary policy in the world can't compensate for rent control.
_Actual_ libertarians & ancaps have to have reduction of police and military as their policy. These two are the essence of the punitive-state. If that’s not in their policy, then by definition they aren’t libertarian or ancap. Milei is neither libertarian nor ancap nor minarchist.
So wrong. He is not a libertarado as he says. You are trying to find arguments because you have no real ones.
Dude come on. He is clearly trying to reduce state. But he can't do anything he wants. He is not a king. He is a president. He needs to pass necessary laws to reduce the state. He have a minority in the parliament. What are you smoking?
he is a minarchist, he believes in a minimum amount of state, but our military was ignored so much during the past decade we lost most of our capabilities, also they passed legislation that makes it hard to patrol our borders. But you clearly haven't seen Argentina and it's problems with security and defense.
And yeah of course any liberal would like to go in that direction but we live in the real world, and threats exist.
You know what happens when police no longe show up?
In rosario the narcos started killing random people on the street to create terror and gain control (if you don't control the street somebody else will). Since Milei started tackling this problem homicides in that city were reduced by more than 70%.
So is he being hypocritical or he just lives in reality?
Hahaha your comment must be the dumbest one i read in a while...
While its true that in theory the total abolition of the government is what libertarians and ancaps wish, those thing would be one of the last thing they would abolish, they would still use them to protect the individual rights until the end is accomplished
@@alejandromonestier7710 You’re fully agreeing with what I said. Re-read my comment.
Trump must follow his lead!
Yes
Yes, follow me for more answers.
Sounds like it to me
rombola LTA
LTA??? Ganó el debate, salamín, Santiago la tiene bien adentro.
jajajaj q verga es esto
What are you talking about ???? The increase of the poverty comes from 25 years of populism Kirschnerista !! You do not know nothing of the economic to discuss any debate.
💜💜💜💪🏾VLLC
Not a fair debate. We need to invite Milei Anti who can speak better English. An important point of debate is to convince audience using the art of language and rhetoric. You couldn’t do it to your audience without good language skills even if you had valid arguments.
That’s not a debate, just propaganda. Learn critical thinking and informal logic.
Logic and arguments are what matter. Here you’re appealing to the ad populum fallacy. It’s a major no no.
Aesthetics don’t matter at all for soundness of arguments.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k You are not going to find truth in a debate. You would be better learning through normal discussion or even better, “dialectics”.
Debate has been a rhetorical game and an intellectual show since Ancient Greece and Rome. Politicians and lawyers learnt rhetorical skills specifically for court cases and debate since antiquity. You have famous and incredibly talented people like Cicero doing it and it has been a tradition. This is why greek philosophers like Plato were famous for preferrering dialectic instead of debate and they hated sophists who were extremely good at debating people but used deceptive arguments.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k That false dichotomy is all yours, not OP's.
This is so wrong. The whole point of a debate is to convince an audience using a solid logical argument, not to deceive them with fancy language. I would be much more swayed by a person speaking in broken English but with a sound logical argument, than a gifted English speaker talking a bunch of nonsensical crap
@@leecooper1644 I’ve never believed that debate is an effective form of learning because, since the antiquity, people have used deceptive language in debates-and they’ve often done so successfully. It’s much more enjoyable if you think of it as a kind of intellectual sport rather than a serious learning method.
Another issue is that when someone is focused on speaking a language they’re not fluent in, their brain doesn’t have enough capacity to formulate logical arguments at the same time. This often results in broken English and weaker arguments overall.