Why Canon and Continuity Matter in Comics and Beyond
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- Are you tired of seeing your favorite comic book characters constantly changed, rewritten, or misrepresented across shared universes and Hollywood adaptations? In this video, I dive into why comic book continuity and comic book canon matter, how character consistency affects the industry, and why Rippaverse is committed to staying true to its universe. From the issues in mainstream comics to how independent creators can succeed by respecting comic book lore, I break down the importance of superhero consistency in comic book storytelling. Whether you're a fan of comic book adaptations, a critic of Hollywood adaptations, or just love nerd culture, this video is for you! Watch now to see how universe-building and fan expectations shape the future of superhero comics!
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Why relying too much on these multiverse nonsense is actually DESTROYING what is CANON.
If it was me, I would make my own stuff but run the story IN PARALLEL to the canon, making sure NOT to ruin it.
I agree 100%, too many iterations of the same characters.
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INCLUSION is a word used to coerce you into allowing invasion upon your private property
ACCEPTANCE is a word used to coerce you into allowing invasion upon your private property
The enemy's end goal is to always invade your private property which is either you, your mind or your intellectual property.
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11Though your enemy humble himself, and go crouching, yet TAKE GOOD HEED AND BEWARE OF YOUR ENEMY, and you shalt be unto him as if thou hadst wiped a lookingglass, and you shalt know that his rust hath NOT been altogether wiped away.
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So here's the thing, Eric, I completely agree with what you're saying, I feel like it has gotten really complicated. I don't mind different universes because you could tell different stories with new or different characters. That's perfectly fine. My issue is the gay add forced representation that they try to push Into modern media, because, let's face its not good like It Ultimate Spiderman right now is amazing.It's literally what fans have been asking for decades, and it delivers on that
Cannon and continuity are the rewards for long-time readers' dedication and commitment.
That's the thing. If you don't care about continuity and canon? You literally don't care what happened in the story up until now.
Meaning... ya don't care period.
(This isn't complicated.)
That’s why I like manga
💯 agree
When I'm following a TV show or movie franchise, I like being rewarded for paying attention rather than having my intelligence insulted. I don't think that's too much to ask.
@@PoolKid75 read manga. Hunter x Hunter expects you to pay attention to alot.....
@@DiamondFist320 NFW dude. I don't like anime and I don't like comic books. Imagine how I feel about anime.
It's doesn't translate (figuratively) to a Western audience IMO.
Yes! It's such a kick ass feeling when you get the references and can connect the dots!
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"It's doesn't translate (figuratively) to a Western audience IMO."
That's you tryna turn your pet peeves into a common experience, my guy.
Anime has been scooping up the western audience in *lockstep* with Western media circling the drain.
It's not too much to ask and it shouldn't be.
Multiverses have undone the consequences of previous stories. The stakes are non existent
The biggest problem with multiverses, is that fans don't have enough reasons to care about the majority of those universes and timelines. We only care about our universe and timeline because of how much time we've spent with the characters in it. You can't expect us to suddenly care about millions, billions, and trillions of other universes and timelines, simply because they exist and have variations of the characters we love in them, even if they look and act completely different to the characters we know and love.
And I hate how multiverses are now being used as a way for writers to shoehorn their self inserts and recolors, to canonize their fanfictions. Now we have as many Spider-sonas as Sonic recolors, and most of them suck just the same.
@Danahell hence why it flops in print. Yea maybe the get a Home Run or two in cinema but print is the true test IMHO because without manga as an example. Mangas have to make money to justify an anime some Mangas are completed before being greenlit as anime If I'm not mistaken demon slayers manga ended during the second season of the show
It's crazy you're seeing normies groan in droves as soon as they hear multiverse, I thought it was just a thing nerds like us took seriously. Every franchise that enters that territory has huge declines to follow, I guess it's like the new jumping the shark move. People just eventually stop caring, or worse get annoyed lol I feel vindicated for hating the idea early on.
@necromachia2131 i mean think about it. You just cracked the code. The minute I hear "multiverse" you know it's gonna be followed by some uncreative recycled BS.
Multiverses & gender/race swaps suck!
This current generation of quote-unquote "creatives" needs to learn that fan fiction is not canon, even if you have the power to retcon your own fan fiction into an established canon, it's still fan fiction. You know it, the fans know it.
It's lazy writing.
It stems from lazy writers and editors who don't want to do the homework and research the storylines that happened before they were brought on. The same goes on with movies and tv shows that always rewrite or ignore whatever happened in the past.
Failed Ice Man writer Sina Grace: "It's not my job to understand how Ice Man's powers work."
SERIOUSLY!!!?? WTF!!!??
That first sentence alone perfectly describes both Eric July and his Rippaverse crew. They do exactly what you said on occasion, and the fact you haven't noticed this only shows you don't even buy there comics, are at least aren't paying attention. But I'm not surprised, you all are here just for the grift afterall...
@Xaire0207I'm curious. Can you provide an example of such? I'm not asking to be antagonizing, of course.
Simply put, if you don't care about the consistency of your world and your characters, you don't give fans and potential fans a reason to. If they fall in love with how a character acts in one issue or episode, they will expect them to act similarly in the next, or at least grow and change slowly over time, not have giant swings and drastic changes without explanation, like mind control, amnesia, etc.
fighting games are also notorious for disregarding continuity (sf6 and tekken 8 being recent examples through bringing back bison and heihachi after they were killed)
This was a well-thought-out and articulated explanation of an issue that has plagued comics for decades. This video should serve as a tutorial for any aspiring indie comic creators as well as major companies.
This current generation of quote-unquote "creatives" needs to learn that fan fiction is not canon, even if you have the power to retcon your own fan fiction into an established canon, it's still fan fiction. You know it, the fans know it.
Just going to add to your statement, which I absolutely, completely agree with. George Lucas, quietly created this reality. After Return of The Jedi, he stopped creating and fans started making fan fiction through novels and animation. George Lucas embraced the majority of it and it become known as "The Expanded Universe" which by default, became Canon overnight.
Since then, everyone, in all genres and IP's feel that they have free license to make their own "head canon" or fan fiction with zero consequences.
George Lucas created the very monster that we as die hard fans hate.
One of the more insidious aspects, is Gen z, woke writers creating their fan fiction, while telling long time fans, many of whom have been fans before these activist writers were even born, that there's no place for established fans in this new Fandom created by them. Let that sink in
@@logicsfinest3471 The EU was always meant to be canon. It simply didn't take precedence over the films, but it had attentive lore masters to keep it as consistent as possible-both internally and with the movies. I don't think this is a good example.
@AnimaVox_ That is not accurate. And only proves my point. George Lucas embraced fan fiction, which became Canon overnight. Once that initial door was opened, the world was changed forever. What happened after the initial incident, is exactly what emboldened others to do the same. That is the key issue.
@@logicsfinest3471 No, George commissioned the creation of multimedia and often laid ground rules for writers when he wasn't outright overseeing that process. This has been talked about extensively by EU and Star Wars behind-the-scenes chroniclers and isn't remotely the same thing as how actual fanfiction operates. It wasn't 'unofficial' the way fanfiction is, it was part of the canon Star Wars continuity from the get-go; many writers would straight up go to Skywalker Ranch (I think Timothy Zahn was one of them, or Matthew Stover, can't remember all the details) to pitch ideas and create official outlines, all with the approval of George Lucas-he'd sometimes even be involved in the creating process, like in the case of Force Unleashed. This more resembles what Eric's doing here with the Rippaverse: delegating the creation of other stories within the same world to other creative minds because it's too much for a single person to juggle. It also resulted in one of the most successful independent media franchises of all time, before Disney bought it.
Edit: George's mistake was allowing Dave Filoni to bulldoze right through the film/EU canon with TCW. He didn't keep Filoni on a tight enough leash and the man reined loose on SW's continuity because he doesn't care about consistency.
@@logicsfinest3471 Not exactly.
George Lucas/Lucasfilm established levels of canon, the stuff he created directly was the immutable canon, while everything in the EU fell into various levels of canon based on the medium.
Lucasfilm used a hierarchy of canon system:
G-canon: The movies only
T-canon: Television stuff like TCW and the canceled Underworld show
C-canon: Novels, comics, the story part of video games
S-canon: older material that doesn't quite fit in the continuity, gameplay footage, and alt endings to games.
N-canon: Material that is strictly not canon.
But George Lucas would have and was planning to ignore the EU if he had retained ownership and made his sequel trilogy.
Post-Disney purchase Star Wars now has two canons:
George Lucas Canon (The 6 films and Lucas & Filoni's The Clone Wars S1-6 as dictated by Lucas he told Disney as part of the deal what they couldn't throw out)
Disney Crap Canon
Gosh this is so true! So good!
Yes, I agree. As a consumer of Japanese manga, they have been the gold standard for canon and continuity. One of my joys is reading One Piece from Vol. 1 to the latest volume. I've done it multiple times. I look forward to the next Isom and AlphaCore!
the problem is Hollywood tries to make their movie first then the lore is an afterthought instead of making the lore fit in a movie. Too many executives wanting to make unnecessary changes just so they can tell their buddies "I did that"
Imagine being a Spider-Man fan and jumping from 2005 to 2025. Would you recognize the character at all besides the costume?
SPIDER-MAN should have retired in late 90s. Ben Reilley should have taken over.
After 30 years of Ben, Mayday Parker should have taken the mantle as SPIDER-GIRL.
They have to MOVE-ON from character to character, or else Batman will be a 300 year old vampire or whatever. It doesn’t make sense! 😀
I’m a normie, and I agree 100%.
Staying loyal to your loyal fans keeps your loyal fans happy, and, either doesn’t matter either way to a normie, or, is off-putting to a normie like me when I hear there’s too many inconsistencies or continual changes, and who’s got the time or energy for that?
Your last trailer was intriguing I look forward to see how you grow your universe and expand your lore. God speed and God bless Eric!!!
I once read an Iron Man trade paperback. I forget what it was called but I enjoyed it. Then when I went to find out what happens next, I found out it was a non-canon stand alone story. I still enjoyed it though and I would still have read it even if I knew it was non-canon beforehand.
Thank you for brining this to light for all of us
Being saturated, I think one month there was at least 6 different spiderman comics. I stopped getting western comics during the marvel onslaught saga when I saw that the story was split over different comics like xmen, avengers spiderman among others ....granted I did not need them all but with manga and manwha for the most part they keep it to one comic series
To me the serialized floppy looked like a nightmare to get into. So I just picked up trades and part works starting three years ago. So most of the stuff I kinda read in isolation. The reset/reboot stories do standout and something like the New 52 stuff felt really off vs the other older and newer eras. Some times I get confused reading just slices and out of order. Like Steve Rogers is no longer Cap, but a secret Avenger and I don't know why? He also wasn't Cap in Fear Itself.
The best SF writers in history have always avoided time travel and multiverses like the plague, and when they have touched them, they have done so with EXTREME care, budgeting 10 times the time to write something that makes sense.
It doesn't seem like the approach of comics and movies at all, especially given the writers they've used who wouldn't know how to write the price on a stamp.
For them it's just a trick to be able to rewrite the same story infinite times.
This is the real issue with Time Travel and Multiverse as a literary device, too many writers don't actually understand the basic concepts of either of them and often conflate the two together.
The MCU is a prime example, Spider-Man No Way Home & Doctor Strange 2 alone contradict each other, in one Peter Parker is portrayed by three separate actors indicating that each Peter is from an alternate universe as opposed to an alternate timeline, but in the other every Strange variant is played by Cumberbatch and through the story we are supposed to believe they come from alternate universes despite being doppelgangers which would be indicative of alternate timelines.
This is why I fall somewhere in the middle and both agree and disagree with Eric on this topic, I think Time Travel and Multiverse can be used to tell great stories, but few are capable of doing it.
Dragon Ball Z with the Future Trunks arc handled Time Travel extremely well, and the Tournament of Power arc in DB Super handled Multiverse well. No one universe that participated was the same and each was filled with unique characters. The sole exception being universes 6 & 7 due to being sister universes with 7 being the main universe Goku and the Z-Fighters are from and even then while the races were the same they were different characters, not doppelgangers.
“When they finally go to the source material they’ll find the character won’t act or look like what they saw”🤷🏽♂️ literally everything James Gunn does
I do like alternate histories, what ifs and multiverses, but I can admit that some have their flaws. Solid worldbuilding, canon, and Consistency does make things more grounded, centered, and consequences feel real. Actions are set in stone and that does raise the stakes in a story.
Some long running franchises such as Gundam uses standalone to set apart UC from the rest. Settings are also different from each other, even the mechs are different. For example UC is set in a full scale war while AD is set in a futuristic 24th century Earth with closer to home global issues of the real world but with mechs. Then again, each universe has its own pluses and minuses, usually came from the creators themselves. Standalone allows the creation of a whole new universe and story in a franchise as well as rejuvenate it for a long term.
Love these types of videos
As always, your integrity and creativity are excellent, sir. Thank you, again.
As much as comics CAN have offshoot versions - the continuity concern is SUPER highlighted by just how insane they have taken the multiverse with Spiderwhoever and Dumbpool recently.
It makes no sense, it removes threat, danger, stakes, and the character themselves.
There IS a good multiverse story out there - but not the magic eraser version that they use.
So it's good timing to value continuity. Just always feel free do to a "what if" or alternate miniseries or detour if your creativity finds something cool or value to include. Don't feel so tied to it that if feels like a failure if you want to break out. But that would the point. An alternate take actually is special and has value ONLY in contrast to a nice continuity as the primary form.
Congrats on the continued growth on the Rippaverse.
And on the spine and thick skin to cut your teeth in such a public way.
Much respect.
And no two versions of the Same Hero….( Spider-Man & Miles Spiderman )😳 Original is special&unique. Creativity
This isn't even a comic thing. ANY NARRATIVE has 'canon,' it's called world building.
Been missing your videos along these lines Rippa...on point and as entertaining as ever...💯!!
You hit the nail right on the head ripper if there's a multiverse for everything then there's no stakes and nothing is at risk
I can ignore certain comic book writers doing their own take. We all create our own cannon for our favorite superhero. You read the authors you like. I just can’t find any good authors in the big two right now.
Scott Snyder.
Jonathan Hickman? Isn’t he a compelling author?
Great video brotha 👌
For me, its rare that a long running comic has stories that hit hard. Invincible is probably the exception because it had an ending planned, but it often seems like continuity over a long time with different writers taking on a character seems like a chore.
Writers seemcto do their best when its an elseworld because they dont worry about connecting to someone elses plan. This is why i tend to like smaller, creator owned stories.
If something is changed from the source material, it's the adaptation that's wrong and the source material shouldn't change to match the errors just to sell comics. If the adapters cared, and there are limits to how strict you can be with the source canon due to change in media and audience focus, they would get it right. However, Hollywood thinks they're better than comics and thus what they want matters more than something lower on the media pecking order than the stuff they make and approve of. See also cartoons, video games, and anything nostalgic that they aren't nostalgic for.
I can't wait to see Solari in the war
This is definitely a video I'll be going back to. I always respect the original design of characters, be it in games, comics, film, etc. Whenever they get changed, I'm the first one to call out when this happens. Tourists come in and love what was changed but they, and the NEW writers, have no respect for the original source material, stories, and development that occurred to bring them to who they are.
Would TMNT count as a fair example of decent transferral and consistency from comic book to cartoon to movie? They inserted the color corresponding headbands & belt buckles to keep the signatured & distinguished as well as let in some violent elements from the comics.
what bothers me is the sliding comicbook timeline. where something that happened in a comic book published 30 or 40 years ago only happened a few years ago in the comic book world. it just doesn't add up and my suspension of disbelief is broken.
Ben Reilley should have taken over for Peter Parker, and then Mayday Parker should have taken over for Ben Reilley.
Ripper I have a question regarding the future of Rippaverse. Are the IPs creator owned or character owned? Will there be a beginning, middle, and end for Isom and other comic titles as well?
If it’s through Rippaverse, it’s owned by Rippaverse. If it’s through RippaSend, it’s owned by the creators.
@youngrippa59 Oh wow! A few years I ago believed that comic companies should operate on creator owned IPs and company owned IPs. Great minds do really think alike, keep up the good work 👍.
@@youngrippa59sooo… your basically like MARVEL/DC? You’re just the NEXT one?
At least you have an option for creators, though. 😊
One Lore&Canon is very very very so incredibly Special…a Fans Masterpiece..to be Gladly invested it😀🏆💯🥇 No Multiple verses..Just one single Canon👌👍🥇
Someone I won't mention had a good point on his stream years ago: stewardship is important. Part of the problem is a lot of companies either stopped caring about stewardship or actively hated their products to the point they replaced just about every character. Even if you mess up the canon now and then, if you get the character and care about what you've been handed your mistakes will probably be forgivable as you'll generally be pointing that character or IP in the right direction.
Oh damn this came out just in time to remind me to get The Great War of Separation lol
The reason Canon matters to me is because it retroactively makes earlier works more relevant as time goes on. The scene where Tony and Banner arguing in the lab makes me recall their later battle in the Hulkbuster. It's just 1 small example, but a good one.
Consistent canon makes me pay attention to every detail, because I never know when those details are going to become relevant in the future. And as far as "creative constraints" go, either just make a whole new timeline altogether (which you can do in comics) or deal with it. You don't want to have to follow a story? Don't write for it. That simple. I have no pity for anyone who walks into making a continuation of a previous work who has some issue with staying consistent with that work. You knew what you were signing up for.
There’s an odd thing about multiverses that I think could be done right. But when nothing matters, nothing matters. Digital Extremes is doing a version of the multiverse in Warframe. But they aren’t making infinite versions and the versions that exist, are similar but respectively different. Not just another version that’s mostly same but with convenient variations.
Yeah, no; American Superhero comics have always been inconsistent in canon and continuity, being rebooted constantly throughout decades. Manga has Vol. 1 to the END which makes it way more accessible and marketable (unless it's major Shonen titles lol)
Canon is important for creating a good story. Thing is, comics change hands a lot more than in Manga and anime and that means that there will be inevitable conflicts and clashes in lore and character development.
I forget which vid, but there was a Naruto clip, so you are a fan/editor?
I agree that the problem you’re talking about is only relevant to American comics. Too many different iterations of characters and not just one canon depiction. This is why I prefer manga over traditional American comics. Don’t agree with your beef with SpiderVerse though. That’s a franchise built on the multiverse concept.
Facts
Multiverse = lazy writing.
Why did I read that in Jim Cornette's voice when he said "Lazzzzzy booking"
This isn't hard. Here's a story:
Once upon a time there were three little pigs who went out into the wide world to seek their fortunes. And then the prince slid the glass slipper onto Cinderella's foot and whisked her away to the castle where they lived happily ever after.
What? You think it's a stupid story just because I didn't follow the canon implied by the first sentence when I wrote the last sentence?
That's all "canon" is: the story as it's been told so far.
If you want to write a different story than the story as it's been told so far, then just write a DIFFERENT STORY. Stop trying to wreck someone else's story. Do what Erik did and make up your own characters and your own stories and stop wrecking Spider-man and Superman in an effort to make them exemplars of your own political agenda.
Being a nerd, geek, or super fan is about investing. It's about an investment of time, energy, and money. If there's no continuity or respect to the lore and canon, there's no point to watching all of the movies or buying all of the books.
Once it's decided that canon and continuity don't matter, then nothing matters. After which, all of a sudden, you find yourself a nihilist.
I feel like there is A space for the string theory variations. Apart from failed iterations and lackluster executions, it most frequently becomes a cookie cutter for grabbing attention (a guaranteed way for these 'fandoms' to one-up eachother AND themselves). Whenever substance fails to deliver on the hype however, the original themes and characters are permanently cheapened. Multiversity has certainly been overdone and then some (in recent history) regardless of whether it was by YOU.
Everybody wants that "flash pass" to skip to the good stuff, but few are worthy.
Aah the multiverse. What a great excuse for lazy writing.
kid... youre an inspiration. Keep going. so, happy you realized race swapping characters and ask everyone to diversity hire black folks is old news. Dont know what your books are about, just love you created something and turned that into a business.
0:12 I kinda get that, but these days, that's how comics make money
marvel ×DC shot themselves in the foot bcs now if it doesn't have a legacy character label, audiences won't care about them, so Dr. voodu and other og characters are thrown out
The only reason to ignore/change canon is laziness. If writers getting paid millions of dollars cant be bothered to research and respect what has come before, you get the SW ip: the poster child for future entertainers on how to kill the golden goose.
While I think this is a noble goal, honestly? My take is the exact opposite.
I think 'canon and conitnuity" can become immense shackles to long standing characters. There is no way to jive, say, Spider Man, with himself, for as long as he has existed. There are multiple origin stories, multiple deaths of characters, all kinds of stuff. Those become "pillars of the myth" and they change with each version of the character that is made.
I think that, if you have a long form story to tell, then yes, canon and continuity are absolutely important to the dramatic gestalt of the piece.
However... Pulps were also often one offs. You tell a story, it's self contained, and then you move on to another one. No such thing as a canon or continuity in that sense.
How can you keep the 80-100 year of comic book continuity in tact? MARVEL/DC were never meant to last forever. They are basically duopolies.
At most, 20 years of story with a SINGLE creative team should be the END for a character/story.
@@HermosaFeCatolica Weren't "meant" to?
I mean look that's all fine and dandy, but the problem is, that isn't the world we live in. They do carry on past their original creators, and you know with some of those character it wasn't until many decades later that they became what we consider them to be today? Some of their best stories.
@ too big to fail?
Did we need 200 writers before daredevil became what he became? Or could Frank Miller have created something NEW that didn’t include daredevil???
There is even some canon and continuity in episode of the week type show like Simpsons or Family Guy. It is that important.
But comics like Marvel (and DC) have a floating timeline, so sometimes some things do change a bit, like a teenager in early 2000 isn't same as 1 in the 60's or the 2020's or 1910's
But hacktivists do hate doing research on things, they love doing revisionist history on things. They tend not see black ppl, LGBT, Asians, women, etc as ppl, but as tools 2 be used like shields or propaganda mouthpieces. They tend 2 love tokenization as well.
Either have seen youtube comic channels that doesn't understand the modern meaning of woke, they somehow think the 1 that mainstream media uses is same 1 that anti-woke crowd (but they r 2 diff ones) uses, while the youtuber uses the OG definition of woke. Saw 1 doing that while reviewing the new Spidey cartoon.
Canon and contuinuity help to ground a universe with some stability
These was a problem before woke era.The retcons shouldn’t been bad but with things like the crisis or hero reborn in comics and the destruction that cause TCW on Star Wars continity can’t be repeated.
Disney Lucasfilm and Dave Filoni's flagrant disregard for the continuity of the Lucas movies and Expanded Universe is why I lost any interest in new Star Wars content. Filoni doesn't even adhere to _his own_ canon, so I have no reason to invest in his creations. 🤷
It's definitely why the Black Panther franchise is the trash it is now.
For phoque... K. If you explicitly do not care about the continuity of a STORY?
That means you *literally* don't care what happens/happened IN that story.
...And just to be explicitly clear for the cheap seats: the sequence of events in a story... ARE the story.
If you don't care about continuity? YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT FICTION. The actual movie is wholly irrelevant to you BY YOUR ADMISSION! You unironically shouldn't be throwin' away income on movie tickets/streaming subscriptions. I'm *sure* you could find Windows Media Player's old visualizer for free *somewhere* and it would serve exactly the same purpose for a person like yourself.
Bro - you’re making too much sense.
Get out of here.
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From the moment I was introduced to the idea of Multiverses I hated it. Who cares when it's not the same version of the character you were invested in for years? It's dumb and outright lazy!
I know Eric July is one of the Good Guys because I see the Bad Guys in the comments trying to badmouth him.
All the normies I know like continuity as well. They can't stand current Marvel because of the multiverse
I'm so sick of the multiverse.
What ive learned from this channel is to never sale your intellectual property but rather keep your intellectual property in your family.
Teaching your children to love and respect its lure.
And as a bonus, in regards to George Lucas selling "his" intellectual property because he had got married of had a child, i would say that if and when you get married, being that your intellectual property being s part of your purpose, that purpose should be AMPLIFIED when you get married.
Lucas was an old man and wanted to retire, also he already accumulated plenty of fuck you money. God willing he'll buy Star Wars back for pennies.
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