They used to be linked in the Advanced submenu of the Pose menu, and that link could be turned off. For some reason that feature was disabled in this rollout.
Hey! This is something a ton of people have flagged to us! It will be changing back to the linked posing system when we release all of our bug and glitch fixes for the Face Customizer beta in early - to mid-September.
Things I've found out: - Do at least a baseline for your hair first. - Always reset facial pose before working on a face and imagine its idle look. - Working with a reference is easier. - Always look from the front and from the side when changing stuff. - Start by picking out all the features without going into big or small edits. You still have 2 sliders available (shape and detail), and they can be very helpful. For instance, if the default face you picked had a jaw which is just a bit too round for you, pick a strong square jaw, and drag the shape slider way down. The main goal here is to get a general idea. - When going for finer edits, do the group eyes/nose/mouth first, then brows, then the rest. - Face length can be a very useful tool. Forehead and cranium proportions can really change how a hairstyle looks and give a flat haircut a lot of volume. - The one thing in facial pose that really adds something is the lower eyelid blink slider. The rest should really mostly be used for posing, you should be having the face you wanted to achieve already when you get there. - You don't need to edit everything. Having some sliders at 0 is fine.
Yeah FC has a bit of a learning curve. Going from the original faces to the new face customizer is like starting from an airplane arcade game to full on flight training. We wanted more advanced faces and we got them
My biggest struggle is the face posing. I feel like the defaults are either too subtle or too over the top, and the individual sliders I just can’t make work well. Smiles are especially cursed looking.
The Corner Dimpler/Pusher is the key to natural looking smiles, and making them asymmetrical, I find. Unlink the sides, get the width and Puller/Depressor the way you want it, then work on Dimpler/Pusher, and then start fine-tuning the PuckerPresser and FunnelerRoll settings.
I think the whole smile looking off is to get THAT one villain smile. Like I wanted a smile that had that no dimple, no eye change smile without making it basically a sneer.
The FC is very complicated yes, but I think that it’s simply one of those instances where the skill floor for something is relatively low, but the ceiling is astronomically high
it is Face Kitbashing, and I have found it really fun, I personally hope that the animal heads get it, making a shark character will become much easier once we can edit dragon heads
To be honest, I hope they make a full-body customizer one day that works similarly to the new face customizer. I can imagine that by the time they attempt that, sky castle studios/heroforge themselves will have a good idea of how things will work/how to make them work, and hopefully the people will be used to face customizer by then and can appreciate full-body customizer more.
Seeing as we have a bunch of default faces to choose from, I think its fine. People who don't want to put the work in can use those and have tons of options to choose from. They can also switch out the parts without touching the slider. One important point to note for anyone looking to learn this is that the face parts look different based on which base face you choose. They act as modifier presets not modular parts. Anyhow, I love this update so much! Time consuming but incredible. And as a fan of a lot of scifi settings, having a way to make weird but specific alien faces is a god send.
It's a great system and it's super complex but I think you're right in the sense that it's way too complex. I know that myself and some others that I've talked to feel the same and that the faces feel uncanny and hard to work with at times. But that over all this is a good change and my favorite part is the ear posing.
Man, I just wish they kept the original expression sliders for us to use so that it wouldn’t be a pain up the rear to try and get that perfect expression with the face posing when you were able to it do in 30 seconds.
There are a few glaring omissions from this set of customization options: • *Ears.* We need to be able to customize the ears. The options we currently have are weak. They need to be just as customizable as the rest of the features. *EDIT:* I have found that ear "posing" is available in the Advanced tab of the Pose menu, which gives a lot of customization options. I kind of feel like this should be under the Face tab at least, and probably in the Head > Ears or Head > Face tab or at the very least the Pose > Face tab. By the same token, the Teeth posing feels like it should not be considered 'posing' but rather customization options under the Head > Teeth tab. • *Eye distance.* We need to be able to bring the eyes closer together or further apart. If there is a control for that, I haven't found it. • *Overbite/weak chin.* We have an Underbite option, but I would like the ability to move the entire jaw backward to create an overbite appearance. • *Eyebrow customization.* The new eyebrows are great, but we're not there yet. I'd like to be able to customize the shapes themselves, not just the area underneath them. Also, I would like eyebrow options that are just face decals in the Color menu, for characters where a big molded brow doesn't necessarily make sense. Bonus points if those decals can be layered under the brow shapes to soften the transition between the brows and the face. • *Hairline decals.* We need decals that will allow the user to give characters 'edges' along the hairline, to soften the transition between the face and the hairstyle shapes. • *Hair "horns".* We should be able to use the Horns slots to add clumps of hair to customize the existing hairstyles.
I've been trying it out myself and I must say that the easiest way to begin is to pick out a face that's already similar to your goal, and if you want to change, say, the nose, pick a different one and play with the sliders that adjust the amount of change for both texture and shape, to reduce them to your liking and achieve a middle point. It's easier to keep the face balanced that way (at least with the style original ones as ref) than if you change too many facial features on full intensity, which can make the traits look disconnected really fast. Besides that, adjusting some of the sliders of the first tab is a good idea, but go slowly and make small changes gradually so it doesn't get out of hand. Some visual ref from different angles, specially for more realistic faces, is always handy
It's a relief to hear that I'm not the only one struggling. There's just SO MANY options. In the Face posing too. It kinda makes me long for the days of Less Mad More Mad sliders. XD
I fully agree. My main problem with the face customizer is that it is far easier to create a goofy thing than create a nice face. Im not entirely sure how they could remedy this exactly. I believe that people will adapt to the big edits and small edits of the actual customizer, but perhaps finding a middle ground in the posing between the way it is now and the sliders that were there before could be a great benefit to those who are confused by the new system.
Love the amount of options but they would be wise to include a simple/advanced option for new users. Even I just want to make a quick model sometimes and now it takes work just to get the old facial expressions again.
I mostly just want it for the 1 hair that actually goes in front of the shoulders and finally having a hair that doesn't take 3 hours of posing on mobile to not painfully clip into the tails cloaks back items and bags
While I have only made an orc so far, I am really excited to get back home and get to work on some more custom faces. (This video only making this excitement stronger) Good video as always derf :3
I think it’s interesting seeing the communities reaction to this beta, as someone who rarely puts faces on my minis, (or if I do I cover them up with a helmet 😂) I don’t feel nearly as burnt out or overwhelmed as some other people I’ve spoken to have expressed. I feel low-key blessed ngl, I can definitely see how for a person who always puts faces on their minis or recreates existing characters it would be whole lot more mandatory work and time per mini and could turn you away. I’d 100% agree that heroforge could benefit from making the UI simpler but I’m also hoping people adapt to the new system over time, just over the past week I don’t think I’ve seen a boring or “soulless” mini. Each one has so much personality and character and it’s refreshing seeing minis look so unique, I also feel like it’s way easier for beginners to make their minis stand out from the crowd now which is awesome, honestly can’t wait until the public get this 🙏
I really like the face customization, and i'm very glad we can make characters of color that actually look like people of color now rather than being restricted to so few options, however, trying to make good expressions is genuinely horrible. I hope they bring back the old expression sliders, as i think they are definitely a good starting point, and then after using the sliders letting users choose to further customize the expression after they got the basic starting point. Also I think it's kinda funny that originally, making a closed mouth smile was really difficult, and now, making a smile that shows the teeth is pretty difficult.
Old expression sistem was "Easy to learn, Hard to master" (everybody can make a decent, default expression, but ony good creators can recreate intense one) New system is "Hard to learn, but easy to master" XD At the beginning we are struggle in too much options, but then we can understand how it works... and spends 6 hours to make a nearly decent smile ^^" (Snarl is still impossible to recreate...)
I dont want to sound ungrateful, but there are a few features Im surprised aren't in yet(?). Featureless features. Moving eyes closer and further from eachother. Moving the mouth up and down. Almost every face is now possible, however the fact that there's so much possibility, that not having these main three things get in my way when making a character. I am very specific about how my faces look, and when the eyes aren't closer enough together for a certain face it will just always be incomplete. Plus I've had one specific face I've been trying to make since I started heroforge and I still cant do it, its like inches away from me, man.
My real gripe is definitely with the expression customizer. I'm seriously struggling to get a single one of my mini to look expressive without looking stupid. Also, we need an option to link the horns and ears because it's a mess whenever you try to edit those.
It must be said; with this degree of customization and detail on such a miniature scale, it makes even LESS sense that we would lose the hand pose glitch (and not get the more expressive hand poses) for the argument that they won't print well. There is no point to making a custom face this nuanced if the goal is to print it. Oh I'm so pissed about the hands.
For the improvement of the hands, I'd first like to see the option to change the size of the hands. Currently hands are too small for giant/trolls/etc. and too big for females and children.
@@bashermus9975 Children! That's interesting. I would never dream of trying to make a child character in HeroForge; there's nothing even close to childlike, far as I can see. But yes, hand size would be great, but to me, it isn't even on the list of top priorities. Hands are the second-most expressive part of the body. They've given us full control over the very most while taking away control over the second-most. A trade-off we surely didn't ask for.
Might just be me, but I had a lot of difficulty with the tusks on my half-orc. When it transferred over I had to bend over backward to have the tusks outside of the mouth and not clipping through his face/lips, and then if you want to use a default facial pose you have to manually adjust the mouth again to fix the tusk clipping. This new system seems amazing, but definitely not newbie friendly :')
My real problem with it is it causes mine to lag so god damn much it takes forever to change poses or rotate the camera. That and the horns are really messed up now, some of them are way too big and they aren't linked anymore which is a huge pain in the ass.
I feel like I haven't had an issue with it at all. Feels super intuitive and I've been able to make great faces with it. I do have a lot of experience with face customization nitty gritty in video games, but yeah, this whole system handles like a dream for me.
I literally just got back from vacation not even 30 mins ago, but I can’t wait to try this out after I get some sleep😂. So many models I will want to redo now.
I'm getting more an more used to it as the days go on. I've mostly been focusing on making kid faces so far. The general consensus in the Discord is that Sky Castle should add in a "Basic" mode that's a bit more simplified and closer to the old system and then call the current system the "Advanced System" That way there is a simpler system for those that don't want to get into the weeds of the complex new system and can just create basic faces. Something like that would also allow people to start with a base that's close to what they want and then go into the advanced mode to make small tweaks to perfect it. I personally am loving all the new options more and more so I really hope they don't remove anything in favor of simplifying things, I think the best compromise is to add in a basic option to complement the more advanced system
Personally, I make a lot if visual art so I think I can handle the tools- I'm just _very worried for the kind of people who drag the build slider all the way up._ Like, we already know that some people don't understand human proportions- but we're _really_ gonna be able to tell now. Time to dive straight into the uncanny valley. 👍
I will say one major gripe I have with it is that we lost the ability to color in the horns and ears; there’s weird hues coming out from the customization plus the glitches and bugs still need to be fixed in later versions.
weirdly enough i'm having a much MUCH easier time with FC than i ever had with tail posing, horn hair, and all that idk maybe this just kinda makes more sense to me than clipping things all over the place personally but either way FC is fucking amazing and i love it and it is the thing that finally pushed me to get pro after 3 years
Yeah horn hair almost never works as no matter what they do it still looks like a horn and nothing like hair The only 2 times I've seen it work was with monsters where the hair isn't supposed to look normal or fit in
All I need is for horns to be linked again and I’ll be cool. The face customizer isn’t too much for me since it’s a very similar setup to the face poser tool in Garry’s Mod. I used this to update all my Star Wars aliens and now they all look authentic. I got an authentic Quarren, Bith, Duro, Sullustan, and a whole bunch of other ones I’m using for my Star Wars campaign. This update as well as the back extras have been a godsend for me. I’m praying we get more sci-fi, western, and modern stuff for clothing too since that goes a long way in faking Star Wars clothes.
The biggest issue i've run into so far is for adding another character to the stage. It creates a huge amount of lag and the only fix ive found is removing the second characters head entirely, then remaking it manually
If you google Heroforge Release Notes, you can find a page where it updates once a month with new updates Also Herofoge.com/Treasure I think shows all the new releases as they come
@@Derfholm Alright thank you! Just a weird thing I noticed and I'm unsure if it's just my computer, the hyperlink you sent might be mispelled😅(you forgot the "r" in forge) it sent me to a potential malware site- fortunately google caught on and put me into the real heroforge site (not the treasure page though). Just wanted to put that out there in case you accidentally get someone a virus haha. The treasure page did take me to where I wanted though so I appreciate that once again!
honestly with how there's bases for faces and the simpler sliders, i don't see it as a big problem, not saying you ARE nitpicking, but I'm saying that saying how advanced it is can cause issues is kind of nitpicking compared to the alternatives that can fix that, so comparatively (excuse my constant use of that term) I'd say its the smallest issue, right under bugs, to the face customizer, i think it'll just take some time to get used to
I have already made quite a few characters with the new FC, and I love it. Yes, it can be a bit daunting at the beginning, but the faces have never looked better on my figures; realistic looking characters, different old men, creepy looking strangers, very pretty girls, scarily photo-realistic orcs (that almost look as if they are really seeing you), etc. For me the way to tackle it and keep it fairly simple (and start with a neutral expression): -Select the head that looks closest to what you want -Change the different parts (nose, mouth, cheeks) and use the amount-slider (that way you can get something in between the selected head and the newly selected part) -Start finetuning from there. For me, it always starts with the eyes. The biggest drawback for me is that a lot of the older clothes and gear (and the Warg) look too cartoony combined with the new faces.
No pro, hopefully we can make some "UwU" kawaii desu faces as the current base faces are quite generic american cartoony and I don't like putting dark shades to make less plastic, but accidently look dark souls edgy for happy wolf girl I posted in your discord server lmao
Let me know what your thoughts on FC are thus far!
Or how angry you are that you don't have it yet...................................
I'm visiting my grandma and don't have my laptop so it's so hard doing face customizer since my phone is so slow
literally every idea i have for a model atm involves fc. i dont have pro.
@@quagsire413 :(
My problem with face customization is that the horns aren't linked and makes things look lopsided and can cause problems for custom helmets
@@LowFantasy. Have you reported it? I have, and if we keep this up we can grind them into bringing back linked horns 😃
It’s a good thing this is just eh beta or I’d be actually worried
Yeah this is one of my biggest issues, along with the decals being shoddier to color
They used to be linked in the Advanced submenu of the Pose menu, and that link could be turned off. For some reason that feature was disabled in this rollout.
Hey! This is something a ton of people have flagged to us! It will be changing back to the linked posing system when we release all of our bug and glitch fixes for the Face Customizer beta in early - to mid-September.
Things I've found out:
- Do at least a baseline for your hair first.
- Always reset facial pose before working on a face and imagine its idle look.
- Working with a reference is easier.
- Always look from the front and from the side when changing stuff.
- Start by picking out all the features without going into big or small edits. You still have 2 sliders available (shape and detail), and they can be very helpful. For instance, if the default face you picked had a jaw which is just a bit too round for you, pick a strong square jaw, and drag the shape slider way down. The main goal here is to get a general idea.
- When going for finer edits, do the group eyes/nose/mouth first, then brows, then the rest.
- Face length can be a very useful tool. Forehead and cranium proportions can really change how a hairstyle looks and give a flat haircut a lot of volume.
- The one thing in facial pose that really adds something is the lower eyelid blink slider. The rest should really mostly be used for posing, you should be having the face you wanted to achieve already when you get there.
- You don't need to edit everything. Having some sliders at 0 is fine.
Yeah FC has a bit of a learning curve. Going from the original faces to the new face customizer is like starting from an airplane arcade game to full on flight training. We wanted more advanced faces and we got them
My biggest struggle is the face posing. I feel like the defaults are either too subtle or too over the top, and the individual sliders I just can’t make work well. Smiles are especially cursed looking.
The Corner Dimpler/Pusher is the key to natural looking smiles, and making them asymmetrical, I find. Unlink the sides, get the width and Puller/Depressor the way you want it, then work on Dimpler/Pusher, and then start fine-tuning the PuckerPresser and FunnelerRoll settings.
I think the whole smile looking off is to get THAT one villain smile. Like I wanted a smile that had that no dimple, no eye change smile without making it basically a sneer.
I must say, the models you show on screen are great. While the more wartorn ones are the best, its still really good
The FC is very complicated yes, but I think that it’s simply one of those instances where the skill floor for something is relatively low, but the ceiling is astronomically high
it is Face Kitbashing, and I have found it really fun, I personally hope that the animal heads get it, making a shark character will become much easier once we can edit dragon heads
Oh dang the animal heads don't have it yet?
To be honest, I hope they make a full-body customizer one day that works similarly to the new face customizer. I can imagine that by the time they attempt that, sky castle studios/heroforge themselves will have a good idea of how things will work/how to make them work, and hopefully the people will be used to face customizer by then and can appreciate full-body customizer more.
Totally agree. A phased rollout would have been welcome rather than everything all at once.
Seeing as we have a bunch of default faces to choose from, I think its fine. People who don't want to put the work in can use those and have tons of options to choose from. They can also switch out the parts without touching the slider.
One important point to note for anyone looking to learn this is that the face parts look different based on which base face you choose. They act as modifier presets not modular parts.
Anyhow, I love this update so much! Time consuming but incredible. And as a fan of a lot of scifi settings, having a way to make weird but specific alien faces is a god send.
“I feel like a man dying from thirst watching another man drowning” - A nonPro user with no access to HF right now.
I wonder how this will affect monstrous faces like lizards and minotaurs
it hasn't, at all
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@@hellofriends2360you can’t edit the monstrous faces at all?
It's a great system and it's super complex but I think you're right in the sense that it's way too complex. I know that myself and some others that I've talked to feel the same and that the faces feel uncanny and hard to work with at times. But that over all this is a good change and my favorite part is the ear posing.
Man, I just wish they kept the original expression sliders for us to use so that it wouldn’t be a pain up the rear to try and get that perfect expression with the face posing when you were able to it do in 30 seconds.
I hate the new snarl
There are a few glaring omissions from this set of customization options:
• *Ears.* We need to be able to customize the ears. The options we currently have are weak. They need to be just as customizable as the rest of the features. *EDIT:* I have found that ear "posing" is available in the Advanced tab of the Pose menu, which gives a lot of customization options. I kind of feel like this should be under the Face tab at least, and probably in the Head > Ears or Head > Face tab or at the very least the Pose > Face tab. By the same token, the Teeth posing feels like it should not be considered 'posing' but rather customization options under the Head > Teeth tab.
• *Eye distance.* We need to be able to bring the eyes closer together or further apart. If there is a control for that, I haven't found it.
• *Overbite/weak chin.* We have an Underbite option, but I would like the ability to move the entire jaw backward to create an overbite appearance.
• *Eyebrow customization.* The new eyebrows are great, but we're not there yet. I'd like to be able to customize the shapes themselves, not just the area underneath them. Also, I would like eyebrow options that are just face decals in the Color menu, for characters where a big molded brow doesn't necessarily make sense. Bonus points if those decals can be layered under the brow shapes to soften the transition between the brows and the face.
• *Hairline decals.* We need decals that will allow the user to give characters 'edges' along the hairline, to soften the transition between the face and the hairstyle shapes.
• *Hair "horns".* We should be able to use the Horns slots to add clumps of hair to customize the existing hairstyles.
I've been trying it out myself and I must say that the easiest way to begin is to pick out a face that's already similar to your goal, and if you want to change, say, the nose, pick a different one and play with the sliders that adjust the amount of change for both texture and shape, to reduce them to your liking and achieve a middle point.
It's easier to keep the face balanced that way (at least with the style original ones as ref) than if you change too many facial features on full intensity, which can make the traits look disconnected really fast.
Besides that, adjusting some of the sliders of the first tab is a good idea, but go slowly and make small changes gradually so it doesn't get out of hand. Some visual ref from different angles, specially for more realistic faces, is always handy
It's a relief to hear that I'm not the only one struggling. There's just SO MANY options. In the Face posing too. It kinda makes me long for the days of Less Mad More Mad sliders. XD
I fully agree. My main problem with the face customizer is that it is far easier to create a goofy thing than create a nice face. Im not entirely sure how they could remedy this exactly. I believe that people will adapt to the big edits and small edits of the actual customizer, but perhaps finding a middle ground in the posing between the way it is now and the sliders that were there before could be a great benefit to those who are confused by the new system.
Love the amount of options but they would be wise to include a simple/advanced option for new users. Even I just want to make a quick model sometimes and now it takes work just to get the old facial expressions again.
My only problem is that I haven't figured out how to make good smiles 😓
Could we get a guide to making feminine faces now? Since the update I haven't been able to get them to look good.
Easy increase bust slider and nobody will be looking at the face lol
Start with a female base character. That greatly helps. Or import an old female character that you liked ans use that as a starting point.
Thanks for the tip!@@bashermus9975
I mostly just want it for the 1 hair that actually goes in front of the shoulders and finally having a hair that doesn't take 3 hours of posing on mobile to not painfully clip into the tails cloaks back items and bags
While I have only made an orc so far, I am really excited to get back home and get to work on some more custom faces. (This video only making this excitement stronger) Good video as always derf :3
What slider will make tusks protrude?
@@kylecline5975the underbite
I think it’s interesting seeing the communities reaction to this beta, as someone who rarely puts faces on my minis, (or if I do I cover them up with a helmet 😂) I don’t feel nearly as burnt out or overwhelmed as some other people I’ve spoken to have expressed.
I feel low-key blessed ngl, I can definitely see how for a person who always puts faces on their minis or recreates existing characters it would be whole lot more mandatory work and time per mini and could turn you away.
I’d 100% agree that heroforge could benefit from making the UI simpler but I’m also hoping people adapt to the new system over time, just over the past week I don’t think I’ve seen a boring or “soulless” mini. Each one has so much personality and character and it’s refreshing seeing minis look so unique, I also feel like it’s way easier for beginners to make their minis stand out from the crowd now which is awesome, honestly can’t wait until the public get this 🙏
I really like the face customization, and i'm very glad we can make characters of color that actually look like people of color now rather than being restricted to so few options, however, trying to make good expressions is genuinely horrible. I hope they bring back the old expression sliders, as i think they are definitely a good starting point, and then after using the sliders letting users choose to further customize the expression after they got the basic starting point. Also I think it's kinda funny that originally, making a closed mouth smile was really difficult, and now, making a smile that shows the teeth is pretty difficult.
Old expression sistem was "Easy to learn, Hard to master" (everybody can make a decent, default expression, but ony good creators can recreate intense one)
New system is "Hard to learn, but easy to master" XD
At the beginning we are struggle in too much options, but then we can understand how it works... and spends 6 hours to make a nearly decent smile ^^"
(Snarl is still impossible to recreate...)
I dont want to sound ungrateful, but there are a few features Im surprised aren't in yet(?).
Featureless features.
Moving eyes closer and further from eachother.
Moving the mouth up and down.
Almost every face is now possible, however the fact that there's so much possibility, that not having these main three things get in my way when making a character. I am very specific about how my faces look, and when the eyes aren't closer enough together for a certain face it will just always be incomplete. Plus I've had one specific face I've been trying to make since I started heroforge and I still cant do it, its like inches away from me, man.
I think I probably won't use a lot of the face customizer options, except for the age slider, and maybe a few other things.
It does change the base size of certain horn to be way too big
which one?
My real gripe is definitely with the expression customizer. I'm seriously struggling to get a single one of my mini to look expressive without looking stupid. Also, we need an option to link the horns and ears because it's a mess whenever you try to edit those.
It must be said; with this degree of customization and detail on such a miniature scale, it makes even LESS sense that we would lose the hand pose glitch (and not get the more expressive hand poses) for the argument that they won't print well. There is no point to making a custom face this nuanced if the goal is to print it. Oh I'm so pissed about the hands.
For the improvement of the hands, I'd first like to see the option to change the size of the hands. Currently hands are too small for giant/trolls/etc. and too big for females and children.
@@bashermus9975 Children! That's interesting. I would never dream of trying to make a child character in HeroForge; there's nothing even close to childlike, far as I can see. But yes, hand size would be great, but to me, it isn't even on the list of top priorities. Hands are the second-most expressive part of the body. They've given us full control over the very most while taking away control over the second-most. A trade-off we surely didn't ask for.
Might just be me, but I had a lot of difficulty with the tusks on my half-orc. When it transferred over I had to bend over backward to have the tusks outside of the mouth and not clipping through his face/lips, and then if you want to use a default facial pose you have to manually adjust the mouth again to fix the tusk clipping. This new system seems amazing, but definitely not newbie friendly :')
My real problem with it is it causes mine to lag so god damn much it takes forever to change poses or rotate the camera. That and the horns are really messed up now, some of them are way too big and they aren't linked anymore which is a huge pain in the ass.
I love it! Now can we get hair customizer?
And a customizer for dresses, so not all of them look as if they are trying to flee the person wearing them.
I feel like I haven't had an issue with it at all. Feels super intuitive and I've been able to make great faces with it. I do have a lot of experience with face customization nitty gritty in video games, but yeah, this whole system handles like a dream for me.
I literally just got back from vacation not even 30 mins ago, but I can’t wait to try this out after I get some sleep😂. So many models I will want to redo now.
I'm getting more an more used to it as the days go on. I've mostly been focusing on making kid faces so far. The general consensus in the Discord is that Sky Castle should add in a "Basic" mode that's a bit more simplified and closer to the old system and then call the current system the "Advanced System" That way there is a simpler system for those that don't want to get into the weeds of the complex new system and can just create basic faces. Something like that would also allow people to start with a base that's close to what they want and then go into the advanced mode to make small tweaks to perfect it. I personally am loving all the new options more and more so I really hope they don't remove anything in favor of simplifying things, I think the best compromise is to add in a basic option to complement the more advanced system
Personally, I make a lot if visual art so I think I can handle the tools- I'm just _very worried for the kind of people who drag the build slider all the way up._ Like, we already know that some people don't understand human proportions- but we're _really_ gonna be able to tell now. Time to dive straight into the uncanny valley. 👍
I will say one major gripe I have with it is that we lost the ability to color in the horns and ears; there’s weird hues coming out from the customization plus the glitches and bugs still need to be fixed in later versions.
Just a glitch, if you save the model and load it back up you can colour them in just fine
" -and, * cracks neck * - bye bye!"
weirdly enough i'm having a much MUCH easier time with FC than i ever had with tail posing, horn hair, and all that
idk maybe this just kinda makes more sense to me than clipping things all over the place personally
but either way FC is fucking amazing and i love it and it is the thing that finally pushed me to get pro after 3 years
Yeah horn hair almost never works as no matter what they do it still looks like a horn and nothing like hair
The only 2 times I've seen it work was with monsters where the hair isn't supposed to look normal or fit in
Besides messing up the horns on my satyr coffeelock I love the FC.
Im just happy I can make shocked faces now
All I need is for horns to be linked again and I’ll be cool. The face customizer isn’t too much for me since it’s a very similar setup to the face poser tool in Garry’s Mod. I used this to update all my Star Wars aliens and now they all look authentic. I got an authentic Quarren, Bith, Duro, Sullustan, and a whole bunch of other ones I’m using for my Star Wars campaign. This update as well as the back extras have been a godsend for me. I’m praying we get more sci-fi, western, and modern stuff for clothing too since that goes a long way in faking Star Wars clothes.
Derf randomly making megamind
Looking forward to try it out after the Beta, body customization next ?
The biggest issue i've run into so far is for adding another character to the stage. It creates a huge amount of lag and the only fix ive found is removing the second characters head entirely, then remaking it manually
I haven't actually tried to stack models with FC yet, but yeah that sounds yikes
I predicted it, hello from the Derfscord!
i am LOVING it
They made face customizer as advanced as some Fallout 4 and Skyrim mods
The biggest problem I have is that when I try to double model with FC, my Hero Forge lags to absolute hell
Is there a place I can look at "patch notes" or anything? Any news on more hair customization for females in particular?
If you google Heroforge Release Notes, you can find a page where it updates once a month with new updates
Also Herofoge.com/Treasure I think shows all the new releases as they come
@@Derfholm Alright thank you!
Just a weird thing I noticed and I'm unsure if it's just my computer, the hyperlink you sent might be mispelled😅(you forgot the "r" in forge) it sent me to a potential malware site- fortunately google caught on and put me into the real heroforge site (not the treasure page though). Just wanted to put that out there in case you accidentally get someone a virus haha.
The treasure page did take me to where I wanted though so I appreciate that once again!
When will face customizer be available for non-pro users
That General model looks like Holden Cross from For Honor, I mean that as a compliment, as that guy’s a legend
To me it looks like Patrick Stewart hahah
DAUBENY SHOW YOURSELF!
@@TheGraveKnight That’s not a trial, that’s an execution
@@Helios810 Then face my second
honestly with how there's bases for faces and the simpler sliders, i don't see it as a big problem, not saying you ARE nitpicking, but I'm saying that saying how advanced it is can cause issues is kind of nitpicking compared to the alternatives that can fix that, so comparatively (excuse my constant use of that term) I'd say its the smallest issue, right under bugs, to the face customizer, i think it'll just take some time to get used to
I have already made quite a few characters with the new FC, and I love it.
Yes, it can be a bit daunting at the beginning, but the faces have never looked better on my figures; realistic looking characters, different old men, creepy looking strangers, very pretty girls, scarily photo-realistic orcs (that almost look as if they are really seeing you), etc.
For me the way to tackle it and keep it fairly simple (and start with a neutral expression):
-Select the head that looks closest to what you want
-Change the different parts (nose, mouth, cheeks) and use the amount-slider (that way you can get something in between the selected head and the newly selected part)
-Start finetuning from there.
For me, it always starts with the eyes.
The biggest drawback for me is that a lot of the older clothes and gear (and the Warg) look too cartoony combined with the new faces.
your face decals work?
derf you shoild pen this
hey can we see a wendigo character???
I just can't the lips right. They always look weird
Most of the new lips are very cartoony and exaggerated compared to the old, so I mostly avoid them
They all look like Clone Wars models.
I made Mike using FC, derf. If I can do it, you can
No pro, hopefully we can make some "UwU" kawaii desu faces as the current base faces are quite generic american cartoony and I don't like putting dark shades to make less plastic, but accidently look dark souls edgy for happy wolf girl I posted in your discord server lmao
Yeah I find it hard to replicate more feminine faces or just soft looking characters in general
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The problem is it's not made in english? Like wtf is a depresser. Just say "Smile or frown" like good lord.