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Did Carole do it? The lawyer? Arson? All of the other crimes. So. Many. Crimes.
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Plot summary fro Netflix:
Among the eccentrics and cult personalities in the stranger-than-fiction world of big cat owners, few stand out more than Joe Exotic, a mulleted, gun-toting polygamist and country western singer who presides over an Oklahoma roadside zoo. Charismatic but misguided, Joe and an unbelievable cast of characters including drug kingpins, conmen, and cult leaders all share a passion for big cats and the status and attention their dangerous menageries garner. But things take a dark turn when Carole Baskin, an animal activist and owner of a big cat sanctuary, threatens to put them out of business, stoking a rivalry that eventually leads to Joe's arrest for a murder-for-hire plot, and reveals a twisted tale where the only thing more dangerous than a big cat is its owner.
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I get asked a lot about whether being a practicing attorney is like being a lawyer on TV. I love watching legal movies and courtroom dramas. It's one of the reasons I decided to become a lawyer. But sometimes they make me want to pull my hair out because they are ridiculous. Today I'm taking a break from representing clients and teaching law students how to kick ass in law school to take on lawyers in the movies and on TV. While all legal movies and shows take dramatic license to make things more interesting (nobody wants to see hundreds of hours of brief writing), many of them have a grain of truth. This is part of a continuing series of "Lawyer Reaction" videos. Got a legal movie or TV show you'd like me to critique? Let me know in the comments!
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Hi! I love you so much you inspired me to become a lawyer!
I see legal eagle I click.
You should cover what happens when people don't comply with the legal requirements of testimony. You talk about how people are obligated to turn over evidence all the time, or how they are compelled to testify, but I want to hear how they are compelled to comply. (Hopefully that made sense.)
Legally Blonde
Have you ever watched the SNL attorney ad? Maybe do a Lawyer Reacts to Lawyers in Comedy?
I was kind of floored by how literally everyone in this documentary seems to have some sort of criminal history, but then I remembered that this is peak Florida
Even Josh Dial. I thought he was just some innocent redditor who wanted to get into politics but NOPE
Most of it didn’t even happen in Florida
Except it’s Oklahoma! We are the Florida of the Midwest though so it fits
Yeee, was OK
Literally the only person who lives in FL is Carol Baskin. The rest is the shit that ends up here thus creating Florida Man. Not many folks FROM here act like that. We know better.
"How many crimes were committed in _Tiger King?"_
"Yes."
Check for all of the above lol
All of them
Name a law, they broke it. Lol
Uh, all of them, I think.
The whole show was a crime, lol
Eagles: "Do another Tiger King video!"
LegalEagle: "Objection! Cruel and unusual punishment!"
VIII Amendment, baby.
YES!!!!!
I once saw someone comment Jeff Lowe is the personification of a monster energy drink & I haven't stopped thinking about it since
Personally I feel he's more ed hardy than monster but yeag
"Alligators, famously flammable"
- Damn it, almost spat out my coffee.
Sorry sir, I rule this a case of spontaneous alligator combustion!
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A T don’t steal my name . Lol legal eagle abuses eagles
Needs to be a t-shirt.
@@choccomoke9234 zz,
"Tiger King, again....for some reason"
When I watched Tiger King, that what it said instead of a "next" button.
I would only watch Tiger King if you promised me the tigers would eat everybody in the end.
Man there is a lot of lore for this show. Hats off to the writers.
I honestly can’t tell whether this is sarcasm
Reality is the best fiction writer.
The world-building really makes you feel like you're in the far-off land of Oklahoma
I thought it was documentary
@@Matthewhuh1 it is
There’s more restraining orders in this show than teeth
😂
🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣 Oh, nailed it!
I’m proud of Eagle actually using the Cool Cats and Kittens line after top comment called him out
Jesus you profile pic scared the shit out of me also nice name the zodiac still debating his identity
" a japanese ninja sword called...a katana." everything about that sentences is PAIN.
No ur thinking of someone else Pain had the Rengekyu Rennengan
@@ssgoko88 i know you just want to hurt me...but i got to admit that is funny.
The weebs are screaming.
Analyzing Tiger Kings is the lawyer equivalent to waterboarding. "In this scene, we see them dumping a pile of expired meat..." Lawyer: "No Mas!"
Maybe tigers should be eating expired meat, because his cats look beautiful
@@emanekaf4107 🧐
@@emanekaf4107 ...idiot
“And here is Joe secretly recording a meeting he had with his lawyer”
Lawyer: *proceeds to bite off tongue*
I love how this channel started out focused on law students, but now you are The TH-cam Lawyer Man with nearly one million subscribers.
* currently 3 million
Our favorite Leagle Eagle watches tiger king again but this orange tie
Cross I see what you did there🤯
Dat tie! So reminds me of Mad Men! Just needs a cocktail & a cig, lol.
It's because he knows it's king's day in the netherlands monday
But no Double Breasted Vest today.
Omg I hadn't noticed, but did you know Orange is colour of New Democratic Party (NDP) and an alternative to Liberal (Red here but blue/democrat USA) and Conservative Party (blue here but red /RepublicanUSA) Also how confusing is that? Red vs Blue is opposite ideal from USA to Canada 😬
His sponsers are always so classy. Suits, high end coffee, education. Just once I want to see Devin do an ad for like, raid shadow legends, or that "manscaping" trimmer or something.
I would die if he did one for raid shadow legends lmao
I would die if he showed us his manscaping. Just saying.
I was kind of hoping for Aviation Gin... ;)
no not raid
I absolutely hate raid. Thay run too many ads.
- slashes boyfriend with Katana
- "I'm a libertarian"
checks out perfectly.
Florida Man Libertarianism: thinks Mad Max is a cheerful potential future.
@@templarw20 yes
How so? Libertarians believe in the Non-Aggression Principle. It's like the only thing they believe in, actually, in the purest sense.
@@SeraphsWitness No, libertarians believe that they can do whatever they want because they think they can do whatever they want to other people. They dislike government because almost all the rules are against them from abusing their fellow countrymen and they resent that. When they get retaliated because of their transgressions, they always whine about how unfair it is and why the government didn't intervene.
@@gelinrefira that's a really poor interpretation of liberal morality. They believe in one rule, the NAP. The non aggression principle. None of what you said would be morally acceptable to a libertarian.
There's plenty to critique about libertarians. But what you've said is rubbish.
Saff might have a checkered past, but he's the most reasonable person on the show. 😭 The most reasonable person on the show got his arm bit off by a tiger and went back to work the next week! 😳
"Let us never speak of this again"
I suspect you're tempting fate. Or at least your viewers.
how many views for part III?
What about all the OSHA safety laws that Joe Exotic has broken? 😗
😀
"I would've thought he dressed really cool....... In 1997"
Wow.
I know, that killed me. He snuck that one in there.
Do you think Affliction got a cut from the show?
🤣🤣
Not even then
11:04 "A really sad situation unfortunately"
That one sentence describes the whole documentary
I still find it hilarious that "Dr. Bhagavan" Antle's real name is Kevin.
Of course it is
Technically, would the people that aren’t subscribed be called “illegal eagles”? 🤔
I love the way your brain works
I would LITERALLY unsubscribe and just religiously check the channel for videos if it meant i could be called that.
Well I guess I’m an illegal eagle 😂
I'm an illegal eagle. This is not an admission of guilt.
I read this and subscibed to legal eagal. I don't want that on my record 😂
You still didn’t talk about how Doc Antle gets away with paying his employees wayyyyy less than minimum wage!
Classifying them as 1099 independent contractors more than likely. Also shields him from liability for respondeat superior in theory (since usually employers are not liable for the acts or omissions of ICs.)
@@unorthodoxromance254 He might also be officially paying them more than minimum wage, but then immediately deducting most of it to cover their room and board.
@@chengarqordath @unorthodoxromance Aren't they all listed as "interns," anyway?
Ya it might have something to do with them living there. If he is providing them with housing and food it might make a difference. Hell Carole gets away with paying them nothing. Not sure it is much different than wait staff getting paid less and having to make it up in tips. Not sure how that is legal either.
He should pay them with colored t-shirts.
Please do House MD gets lawyered, inspired by this text post from Tumblr:
"My new and extraordinarily niche writing project is a fic for every episode of House, M.D. (2004).These fics will narrate the malpractice lawsuit(s) following the events of each episode. I’m calling the series Court-House and I will not be accepting criticism on that point"
Holy shit, you just gave me an idea for a writing sample to send in my law school application
I've an orthopedic surgeon but did about 10 years in the ED/ICU, and I can't think of anything that I want to watch more than what you just described.
I'm a normal human, until I watch a House episode, and then I suddenly become a person who yells incredulously at the TV.
@@civil_villain I think that's everyone who knows a certain amount on a specific subject. 😂
I have an aneurism every time I see a medical drama. When my uncle died, my aunt said “I watch house, I know what’s going on” when people were talking to her about what they were doing in the ER. He died of a drug overdose, and she had no clue what was going on.
PARTNER WITH DR. MIKE ON THIS
OBJECTION: You said that he shouldn't record his lawyer because in some one-party consent states the attorney would have a right to privacy. I think you meant to say two-party consent states.
That’s what I came to the comments section to clarify.
I’ve always heard it referred to as single-party consent. Is it interchangeable or terminology based on region?
Tiger King is essentially just a show that's trainwreck after trainwreck.
Amram The Comrade and the trains are somehow still wrecking up damage
Agreed. Its doing nothing putting highly traumatized and damaged people on the stage...
Yeah, because it creates a false narrative of "everyone is awful", which elevates a criminal narcissist like Joe Exotic, and denigrates an honest woman by lying about Carole Baskin.
I've termed it as a trainwreck made of trainwrecks.
Just a show until the hitman drives off in the direction of Florida.
It really says something when two of the most sympathetic people on your show are a reality TV producer and a libertarian Wal-Mart manager.
Who slashes people with his katana, for some odd reason
@@itzhen7032 Somehow, I KNEW he was a weeb the moment I saw him. Stereotypes aren't always true but it's a little funny when they are. When I saw the katana accusation, I was like: "Why am I not even a little surprised? Ofcourse he did."
While you were breeding tigers I studied the blade.
Just here to point out that Jeff Lowe had licensing issues in my home county in SC. Also tried to fight the Marine Corps Air Station over noise from the F32Bs because heaven forbid his tigers have to deal with the stress from plane engines instead of taking them to a sanctuary away from people and machines.
Thanks for sharing... I feel like this is kinda biased.. just my opinion. Carole is getting off pretty lightly
People who move near preexisting airports/airfields and complain about the noise are special.
*Joe:* ...I’m not stupid.
*Restraining Order Paper:* Can’t spell “enough” or “threaten”
he writes like charlie kelly
Um.. that wasn’t Joe Exotics restraining order 😬
Im going to guess you haven’t seen the series.. or listened to the video very closely..
But that restraining order was actually made by Don Lewis! Carole Baskin’s 2nd husband who went missing in 1997 Whom - despite being worth between 2 million - 20 million dollars (since no one in his inner circle really knew how much he was worth nor has a proper estimate) and was a down and dirty ladies man who had several affairs with multiple women- he famously didn’t read or write well.
Then how did you know it was, enough or threatened opposed to baked or fried?
Poor spelling isn't necessarily a sign of stupidity
@@user-jy2sj4ed4i on legal documents yes it very much does. Not knowing you need to spell check=idiot
Who doesn’t have a criminal record in this Netflix documentary?
Carol?
Stettafire she live in Fl give her a moment
Maybe Staff
Stettafire probably not murder, if anything she might have some Florida man related charges.
Only the Baskins (because Carole is extremely lucky), and people some of the side characters. Everybody has shit going on.
Objection: You missed the fashion crime of Don's Lawyers tie.
It looks like a Wonderbread bag.
"I would of thought Jeff Lowe dressed really cool in '97" This is my favorite thing
"Would of " makes no sense. There's no excuse
Would've makes sense
Would of makes no sense
Another pet peeve: try and
"I'm going to try and go to the store before they close."
The correct phrase would be "try to" but "try and" had infected or language to the point that even professional writers don't ever give it a second thought. It's up there with "I could care less" and "irregardless".
And then there's the idiots who don't know the meaning of the word "decimate". The word you're looking for is "devastate". If you decimate your enemies, then 90% survived. That might be a significant military defeat, but it's not catastrophic.
LegalEagle: YOU PULL ME BACK IN!!!
Everyone else: Don't pretend you don't love it.
has a bottle of whiskey "I need something stronger then this"
me: Sweet mother of the south, are you gonna go for moon shine?
Him: Like free trade coffee
me:Oh, that works too
He meant sponsor money, your honor.
Definitely thought he was gonna say meth, in keeping with the subtextual "secret sauce" of Tiger King!
@@jmgerraughty I haven't watched it, lol but meth would have also worked since we are talking about the south here, although...I imagine that sponsorahip would be VERY DIFFERENT LOL
I thought it was everclear haha
@Urazz I don't know booze, but don't u put like Irish cream in coffee? I only know it exists because of archer, just to highlight my ignorance of alcohol
Love the orange tie choice. :)
Ashley Timm yes, it complements items in the background!
@@christinawingate5101 also cause tigers
13:03 "why?" that sums up pretty much the entire show.
19:10 “If only there was a warning sign that seemingly normal Josh Dyle might not be as well-adjusted as we thought”
“I’m a Libertarian”
I don't get how that's a warning sign. Libertarians just want less government involvement.
If he said he was an Anarchist, well that's a different story. But those are different things.
@@SeraphsWitness found the libertarian in hiding
This show definitely proves that humanity has reached it's limit
If you'll excuse me, I'll go back to watching clips of Kim Kardashian ugly crying
We had a good run.
Did we though?
Our capacity for savagery goes far beyond this show (and regularly does throughout history and the world), there's no floor to our potential depravity.
@@JeredMastersAustralia it was a rollercoaster of fuckups and highlights
The ultimate "We deserve each other"
...released just as the entire world closed down because we were making each other sick to death.
He did it again... slickest segues into sponsors on the platform.
pffft, you haven't watched any videos of Polymatter yet, that guy is a segues legend
Internet comment etiquette is typing...
A party bus with cubs... that sounds so stressful for the cubs :(
Well jeff Lowe will be in a cage soon so he going to feel the stress of not enough room. No privacy and physical touching he gonna feel all that
I'm not gonna lie, until last week, I thought Tiger King was a Jungle Book Shere Khan spinoff.
Objection! Your honor I refused to believe this man is following quarantine, with that clean of a haircut!
I'll be honest, second-hand has been the best way to watch this show. I've got no interest in Tiger King, I'd get too pissed off too quickly.
You have no idea.
We've seen some sh*t
Riley Mech I’m sad that I wasted 5 minutes of my life on the first episode.
I'm so happy I never seen it
Yes, I couldn't get past how long they spend on Carol apparently murdering her husband with only interviews from people who didn't like her. Seemed like a stretch, glad other people think so too
May May That did really irritate me. There was so much confirmed fuckery for them to talk about and they veered off into speculation.
Dang, Joshua was the last one. I think now we can officially say: everyone starring in Tiger King is completely nuts.
What about Howard? The worst anyone had to say about him was about his weird wedding photos, but who hasn't had some harmless silly fun with loved ones in their life?
Love LeagalEagle and as someone who works in the filmmaking industry I must say that his videos are really beautifully lit. Who ever did/does the lighting deserved a massive high five and a pat on the back
Somebody has to recognize the electrician's work.
agreed! grip is legit.
I am so surprised while not being surprised at all that two of the seemingly most good nature (or atleast seemingly good nature) of the cast also had checkered pasts of their own. I would not have expect that out of Saff. Finding out that Josh's most infamous case involved a literal attack with a real samurai sword completely re-designs that character for me. Then again, it just means that he fits so much more in this cast of characters now than he did before.
Literally everyone in this show has such an interesting and weird backstory.
Jchrispole people learn to put on a good front I know many felons and I first looks many you'd want to be friends with causse they seem so sweet and put together
Josh's crimes involving assault with a katana was the least surprising thing I've ever heard. He is the definition of a neckbeard.
Saff's crimes were a little surprising, but given none of them were violent crimes and 'weapons possession' in Oklahoma when he worked with Joe Exotic.... Still probably the least awful person on the show.
I mean, Josh did witness the accidental suicide of Joe's fourth husband, Travis. I'm sure there was some residual trauma going on. :/
There was a scene that basically said that Joe would intentionally seek out people who had just gotten out of prison and were looking for a job. However much truth there is to that I have no idea, but if it is true, it makes the various criminal histories of his employees unsurprising.
@@sbushido5547 wasn't there a scene where ine of his staff said a guy had been sleeping at the bus station and Joe went to hire him? People that down on their luck are the ones who will think a dirty trailer, all the expired meat they can eat, and petting tigers is a gold mine.
Fun fact: Joel McHale played a disbarred lawyer in the hit T.V series Community
Dan Harmon the goat
Real Lawyer Reacts to Community when?
@@ArkhBaegor they did a law and order spoof that would be perfect for Real Lawyer Reacts!
Was it a hit though?
clariola community was very successful, managing 6 seasons (5 of which were good imho) and maintains a massive cult following to this day
Would love to see you do a review on Star Trek Deep Space 9. S1 Ep 8: Dax. There's the character Dax on the show that is joined with a symbiote. Long story short, she's the target of an extradition request for a crime the previous holder of the symbiote is accused of. The defense used is that she is essentially a deferent person and the extradition isn't for her, the counter is that the two are essentially joined and can remember everything from the previous lives. I'd also like to hear how you'd rule on the hearing since there isn't a final ruling (things happen.)
I just watched that episode and I thought the same thing!
It's good to see I'm not the only 1 like DS9
Yes! Such an interesting idea. I love that episode.
Hey man, I love your content. Your even temper and witty transitions into ads are fantastic. You worked hard to become a lawyer, and it's clear that your youtube content is made with the same level of dedication. Thanks so much. I can't wait for the next episode!
Legal claim: "... a Japanese Ninja Sword called a Katana..."
Me, a weeb: "... we just gonna let that one go?"
It's not factually accurate, even if you put it into perspective. Katana were primarily used by Samurai. Two-handed swords would be way too chunky for Ninjas. The biggest blade they would carry would be a Tanto, and even that's on the edge of being too big.
....and just like that...we got the truth from the weebs.
Thank you for your service sirs.
Yeah dont worry about it, let'im be
@mr. majestic objection the earliest known use of the ninjato is in the 20th century and as such weren't used by actual ninja during the time ninjas were actually active
@mr. majestic No such thing as a ninjato within the era of Feudal Japan.
Here's something that might shock some human beings: It's possible to be a totally unlikable person, with no redeeming social values, and still be a non-criminal. I know, it's crazy.
The Joel McHale reference made me realise I would love to see a "real lawyer reacts" to an episode of community!
I mean... Jeff Winger graduated from Colombia...
when he called it the "dumbest timeline" in the first part i laughed heartily at what i assume to be a community reference
Suggestion: Would love to see one of the Arrested Development court cases!
*Generic Tiger King Accent* Talk all you want skinny, but I'd rather have a tiger for a lawyer than an eagle.
Proceeds to spit on the ground somewhere
Nokutenda Chimbetete the world makes fun of the US, this documentary and the accents will not help us in the eyes of the world
Nokutenda Chimbetete thin blows up some C-4, woohoo!
According to Josh Dial himself the Katana incident was him defending his 80 year old grandmother from being attacked by his uncle who was high on meth. He said the judge threw his charges out once they got the eyewitness statements of witnesses and his uncle's toxicology report.
Yeah I don't know that it's fair to bring up an arrest record without context, could have at least made it clear that he hadn't been convicted..
"We thought it would be a good idea but we were wrong" applies to so much of what all the people involved have done.
Here’s a legal question: If Joe Exotic’s lawyer were brought to court for conspiracy to commit arson, could he also be charged with several counts of some kind of animal cruelty for the alligators that burned to death in the inferno? Does conspiracy extend to other crimes resulting from the initial act you helped plan?
No. Unless there is a law of conspiracy to be cruel to animals, or something similar.
Only in very specific cases, one example being felony murder. If you conspire to commit a felony, and a murder happens during the felony, you can be charged with felony murder whether or not you were directly involved in either. I believe that on paper this requires you to reasonably know that murder could be committed during the felony.
It sounded like his lawyer was phrasing what he said in a very deliberate way to avoid culpability if Joe was recording him and tried something stupid. The lawyer could argue that he was trying to tell Joe to purchase or make some kind of deal for the recordings since there was only one set of copies. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyer was anticipating Joe trying to secretly record him at some point.
I am so glad that I saw these videos, I was really losing hope when literally everybody I saw was 100% buying that Carole killed her husband and that she was no better than Joe. It's honestly crazy that editing can give results like this, and it really makes me think that these types of documentaries are dangerous.
And honestly? Even if you do no other outside research on the situation, it’s pretty easy to see the Carole and Joe are not comparable. If you have more than two brain cells and elect to use them for more then five seconds, that is.
The show was a little disengenious about displaying the grinder, about reminding everyone the police didn't check it.
In 1997 they didn't have the massive one shown on the show. They apparently only had a small table top grinder.
And to those who think she did kill him, grind him up and feed him to tigers. They only owned one tiger at the time, the rest were bobcats and cougars. Also the act would have taken a lot of time and effort to do so. But Don was missing a day before being reported missing. The speculation is that Carole was super calculated and efficient about removing all the evidence. Yet she did t think to wait the weekend at least. Doesn't match up.
Ya these legal eagle commentaries on Tiger King have saved my sanity too. I also liked Jackson Galaxy's "Tiger King Fail" video. Reading intelligent, calm responses from people trying to be objective and dig at the truth of the matter has also restored my faith in humanity lol. And a lot of people also point out that the plight of the big cats themselves got lost in all the sensationalism...seeing that has also made me feel better.
She is no better than Joe. Aside from her husband, she is petitioning the government to regulate her direct competition out of existence, meanwhile running a zoo with big cats that turn a profit.
Despite the shifty narrative, I’m convinced without a doubt that she’s a bitch. Just no evidence of her being criminal
Tiger King shows first hand how devastating the results of inbreeding can be. Not so much in the cats, but in the people. Shoutout to Oklahoma!
Any person appears in this show.
Legal Eagle: *C H E C K E R E D P A S T*
Tiger king is the crack of documentary’s it’s so addicting
Thank you for pointing out the documentary had an agenda in making carol look like a murderer and left out a lot of facts about the disappearance and Big Cat Rescue.
I don't think there was an agenda, I mean the adviserial accusation and drama was there, so its natural for it to be explored. In the end for me I wasn't convinced that she killed her husband, it was just a piece of juicy intrigue that any sane rational individual should be able to place in proper contect of Law & Order.
Unfortunatly everything everywhere is dealt into nonsensical camps and sides, so I'm dumbfounded how people swallowed the self serving arguments Joe had which I though the documentry eluded to be Very silly.
@@slitor The information of her husbands information was known by the time the documentary was made, no way was it accidentally left out.
This was left out to create a false equivalency and to create this "one shitty person vs another" narrative.
Maybe not a political bias but definitely purposefully obscuring the truth to create cheap drama.
So um...*maybe* she didn't kill her husband but its apparently plausible enough that it's been a long-standing almost joke in the animal world for AGESSSSSSS. Also she is, in fact, batshit.
@@TheInkblot101 Animal world? You mean the Aphex Predator trading world in USA, that has some pretty adverserial relationship between the actors.
If Carol Baskin continued as she began. trading/breeding... no one would have made a fuss about it at all.
@@TheLumberjack1987 Yeah... I think the people in charge of the documentary didn't really care wether Carol killed her husband or not, neither did did they care about how the way they presented her may affect her life.
I still think she seems to be a shitty person, though, if anything because she's crazy rich and asks her employees to work for free.
I like how you're such a lawyer, that even tho you dont specifically state your opinion we can still get a general idea of what your opinion is.
ie. Carol did not kill her husband, Joe burned his own studio, Doc Antle was raided because hes a p.o.s.
@@williamcurtis2145 there's also a lot of evidence omitted that points to innocence, because her husband had a habit of lying down to Costa Rica for one specific week of the month, there were reports that Carol baskets husband was dealing with the Costa Rican mob because he wanted to move big cat rescue there, and more.
@@hariman7727 yeah, to be honest his rags to riches success story sounds a lot like he made his fortunes in illegal ways. But, who knows? I don't care enough to investigate.
The most "lawyer" part of the video for me: *watches a lawyer heavily imply Joe should destroy the reality show footage*
Legal eagle: 'wow! I can't believe Joe violated attorney-client privelage!!"
What I want to know is can the doc footage be used against them? Or can they say they just said those things to make the doc more interesting? I mean you cant charge an actor when he threatens someone in a movie.
Herman Cillo they mentioned his going down to Costa Rica tho
I love how much I learn from you videos while being so entertained
I love the look at the end when he looks at the bottle and is like "Shoot! I really want to drink this now but I set up this really good segue to the sponsor of this video. Damn, I’ll just get this done then I’ll drink the whole bottle and never watch that show again."
Okay, I'm down for this, I really _really_ am, but can we get some kind of time frame for the Legally Blonde video because my man, I've been waiting
L.E.: "Let us never talk about Tiger King again"
Me: THANK YOU!
(...must confess that I would click on a potential Part 3 reaction, though )
I wouldn’t. I’m over the hype. It’s a bit too Jerry Springer for me.
Florida Man I know! But it’s like a car crash, it’s horrible but I can’t help to take a little look 🙈
@@fermarva2229 I tend to watch this to find out what the entire deal with Joe is. I never watched the show, and never intend to. It's obviously just idiots going at each other - that's not for me. I put it in a box next to Honey BooBoo and set it all on fire, figuratively speaking.
@ you and I both. Whether or not Carole killed her ex husband to me seems moot at this point. If Joe believed that to be the case he should've called the cops and or a private detective. Not have set out to commit the laundry list of crimes he did.
I'm gonna talk him into existance
Watched the entire series after the first episode.
Thanks a lot for the analysis :D
It's a lot of fun to watch to get some additional insight into some of this stuff.
Your commentary in the first episode made the series a lot more enjoyable
>I need something stronger than this
>Starts to smoke meth and becomes new Joe Exotic's husband
Okay this is off topic, however I just wanted to say how proud I am of the growth of your channel! I was here since you had 25,000 subscribers, and now you have almost a million!!
I clicked this acedentaly and now am really happy
He has a great channel
There are no accidents.
Lol! Happy accidents!
@@LegalEagle The is only The Force?
@@LegalEagle Master Oogway?
I'm very glad that in the first part, you mentioned the lawyer saying he's never heard of anyone bringing up disappearance in their will before, because I was a bit surprised that this was supposedly so unusual when it really doesn't seem that far-fetched to me that someone would anticipate such a possibility (especially since the whole point of a will is to make things easier for both the family/friends and the lawyers, so why wouldn't you be as thorough as possible?).
Another thing I'm curious about, especially in light of your explanation of how "true threats" are not protected by free speech, is how Joe Exotic got away with publicly making so many very explicit murder threats, and generally inciting violence against his enemies. I mean, I get that you might be inclined to dismiss them as jokes or speaking out of anger (although not sure if that last one would have any legal value), but when it's so repeated and clearly very serious, there's a point where you can no longer pretend it's anything other than a genuine threat. If nothing else, surely that constitutes harassment?
Thank you for watching Tiger King and giving me the cliff notes version so I don't have to sit through it. Someone needs to send you a strong drink for your hard work.
You swearing at the start had me in tears, I hope this series hasn't inflicted any long term damage to you.
I think he played it up for the camera for comedy purposes. I think hes ok :)
"i need something stronger after watching tiger king"
my dumb brain: mëth
Sammy Butler mine too...
Meth is probably how Joe fried his brain in the first place lulz
Can you do a reaction to Brooklyn Nine Nine’s season 4 finale, of Jake and Rosa’s trial and imprisonment please!!!!
Objection. Judge I would argue that I am in fact a “cool” cat and or kitten. Lmao I love your videos. I have my paralegal certification and your breakdown entertains me so much. But now I find myself doing this with almost everything I watch so ty for that lol.
4:40
Objection. One-party consent states require only one party in the discussion consent to the recording.
Yeah he definitely meant 2 party
Bosstown Dynamics I wouldn’t normally get into this but maybe viewers of this show will appreciate the fact that “same difference” doesn’t make sense.
Youre saying that these 2 things are the same, meaning there is no difference.
saying same difference implies that there are 2 differences that are the same. In other words, there are 4 things in question.
For example 5 - 3 and 9 - 7. Same difference.
But there are only 2 things in question here and you’re saying the single difference is 0.
As a blooming coffee snob I appreciate the sponsored part
Coffee snobbery is the best snobbery.
To think I went from not being able to drink coffee to being able to drink it black in 3 years
Coffee is ready good 😊
As long as you remember to bloom your coffee when pouring.
Who else expected an Indochino callout when Jeff Lowe’s style was mentioned?
I love how you wedge in your commercials. It makes them easier to sit thru when you make it part of the story! 👍😎
"If only there was some warning sign..." Joshua: "I'm a libertarian." XD Holy shit that shade.
The shade was about the "f*ck the feds" not the libertarian part. I have no beef with Libertarians, generally speaking.
@@LegalEagle That is a very good defence. Almost like you do this professionally...
Well domestic distribution can be tricky to judge at first sight. Who knows his partner may have been the instigator in that altercation. Well never really know.
@@LegalEagle But that's the defining trait of a libertarian. That and pedophilia.
(cue some libertarian with the "actually it's ephebophilia" defense)
@@greenyawgmoth I can't remember, remind me what party Epstein subscribed to?
“I need something stronger... Like crystal meth!” *cuts to toothless tiger king smile.*
I was really hoping for it.
I've always felt hella guilty for Carol Baskin. The way she's been dragged by this documentary is freaking crazy.
Personally I don't like her, but that does not mean that she is guilty of murder. She may be guilty, but there is ton of evidence that was not in the documentary, so making a clear call is simply not an option.
Same. I mean. You can’t prove she killed her husband. But you can (and a court did) show that Joe tried to have her killed. Also it feels like the filmmakers cherry picked interviews and pushed the narrative that she did it. Do I know if she did it or if she didn’t? No. No one does. But the directors just wanted to push the entertaining conspiracy that she did.
She's not exactly an angel herself. Priors for domestic violence and theft..
Devin said in the last episode that she acquired copyright to pictures Joe had used, and then sued him for violating the copyright.
Devin called it clever, but I think that's a pretty scummy thing to do.
What happens with CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, also known as the Washington Convention) a multilateral treaty to protect endangered plants and animals the US does not need to comply with this agreement?
Objection. You said at 4:43 "if this is a 1 party consent state, you might be violating their right to privacy." Wouldn't that be backwards? If it was a 1 party consent state, he wouldn't be violating? If it was a 2 party consent state, and he recorded it without permission, then it would be a violation? - Confused law student
I think he clearly misspoke, I think he did as well at the end saying joe is serving his sentence concurrently, it’s my understanding that they are consecutive
Objection: you tell people not to record their lawyer but technically your recording your lawyer, yourself!
The lawyer didn’t even give him permission, SMH My Head.
I am guessing that he is not his own lawyer.
Any lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client.
Oh no! Lawyered!
i doubt he would be his own lawyer
Can't wait for part 3. Looking forward to it.
I don't watch all the time, but I do love your videos, and I subbed a few months ago, but I just had to tell you, I loved this intro.
Why did Don’s children failed to use their $1 million to buy a bigger sofa?
I feel alone in asking this question but it is bugging me for being so small.
They wasted all of it.
@@hariman7727 I believe they spent the majority of their money suing Carol for more money. They went after her for years trying to get money that wasn't Don's.
Herman Cillo yea I wouldn’t use the term wasted. They fought back legally and publicly to get the money they felt was owned by Don. This was until Carole threatened to pull the monetary plug on them so they had to stop. What they did with whatever is left of the money they got / continue to own clearly didnt go to bigger couches 😂
@@EmmyHatesChu it was wasted.
They picked the smallest couch for the purposes of the documentary?
Found your channel last week. Really informitave . Tha is a heap.
Lol I love the Dos Equis commercial 'I don't always drink coffee but when I do....' ❤❤
I was expecting: "When you want your tie color to match your subject matter, go with Indochino...."
In regards to Lowe's acquisition of GW, I suspect Joe's intention was to treat the entire affair as another fraudulent transfer, with the added bonus of the transfer going to a partner with considerably more capital to fund and expand the operation. What Joe did not anticipate was that Lowe was going to take the opportunity to take on the asset as a yielding investment, and shut Joe out. Which, was easy to do once the whole attempted murder scenario played out.
It could be argued (and in fact, I think the show does make this argument) that Lowe's intentions with Joe were precisely that. That Joe got played, legally and expertly.
I think Jeff is smart. Find successful people, treat them like a friend, film everything. When they have their guard down chances are they will eventually say something incriminating. Looking back even I could have had success doing this.
I love how Joe complains that he got "conned" by Lowe. Usually conning implies that the person manipulated you into acting some way. Really, Lowe was just smart enough to realize that Joe's a moron and will doing something stupid without any manipulation lol. He literally asked Lowe if Allen could murder Carol!!!
In short, it was a fraudulent transfer from Joes side of things, but not from Lowes.
Really love your shows!
For whatever reason you've kept popping up in my recommended's so I figured I'd give you a watch, and I'm now a subbie! Love your sense of humor and content! ^_^
I'm genuinely curious if he liked the show or not.
No one -likes- the show it's more like watching a car accident. You can't...
He mentioned feeling tortured. I doubt he liked it.
More like cringe at every law that was broken during the documentary.
@@iphgfqweio That's what i felt with this show.
I needed to know how it ended but i didnt like it at all
@@iphgfqweio i liked it.
As a trans person, I really appreciate how you handled the Saff situation. Your apology was short, to the point, and genuine. Thank you for setting a good example for others in the future.
Question, if you accidentally mis-gender someone and no one tells you that it happened, like if the person does not (maybe because you’ll probably never see them again or they just don’t catch it) and their friends don’t (possibly because they are not there or there are no mutual friends) is that considered extremely rude because you didn’t know or is it more like someone accidentally calling you the wrong name when you first meet them by accident? Kinda rude, but you just met so it’s not actually rude? I am a loner so have very few friends and all of them I’ve known since I was little and non of them happen to be transgender, so I was wondering.
@@aylacrissman3443 if it's a genuine mistake made just because you didn't have the knowledge, I personally wouldn't hold it against you, as long as you corrected yourself as soon/if it was ever pointed out to you.
@@aylacrissman3443 I don't think any reasonable person would hold it against you. Don't feel bad if you make an innocent mistake. Unfortunately, this is a huge hot button issue at the moment so people get offended about it at the drop of a hat. I've worked with, known and been friends with many trans people and I find that some people (both trans and their allies) are easy-going and happy to explain things and others get angry about everything.
@@aylacrissman3443 No, all the "Are you assuming gender?!?" memes are from right-wing nutjobs. Nobody has ever been unironically offended by someone using the wrong gender/pronouns by mistake.
@culwin Thanks! I assumed that was the case, but I have also seen people on the internet from both sides (both extreme, like way crazy sides, because there are those types of people on both sides, but they are few in general) that seem to like way blow it out of proportion so I wanted to make sure.
This episode was so much better than the actual Tiger King series, thank you. And thanks for the coffee discount :)
Everyone:
We are makes 3 more Tiger King episodes.
Viewers of this channel:
we need a lawyer to watch this and discuss its legality in depth