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Among the eccentrics and cult personalities in the stranger-than-fiction world of big cat owners, few stand out more than Joe Exotic, a mulleted, gun-toting polygamist and country western singer who presides over an Oklahoma roadside zoo. Charismatic but misguided, Joe and an unbelievable cast of characters including drug kingpins, conmen, and cult leaders all share a passion for big cats and the status and attention their dangerous menageries garner. But things take a dark turn when Carole Baskin, an animal activist and owner of a big cat sanctuary, threatens to put them out of business, stoking a rivalry that eventually leads to Joe's arrest for a murder-for-hire plot, and reveals a twisted tale where the only thing more dangerous than a big cat is its owner.
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Boston Legal. Danny Crane
Please talk about music copyright, specifically lyrics and instrumental plagiarism and song covers
you should watch runaway jury and do a video on that
LegalEagle would the pets owner be responsible for the damages done throughout the movie? Specifically snowball in secret life of pets 2?
You should cover the trial scene from Steven Universe
Objection: you didn't start this video by saying 'hey all you cool cats and kittens."
Agreed 😂
Sustained
Sustained
Goddamn this woman was weird
Sustained. An example of criminal missed opportunity.
You can tell a lawyer because their first instinct is "these people need a better lawyer," not "these people need to stop doing illegal things."
Bill Volk yep lawyers need customers lol
That's how lawyers are
Bill Volk what he was saying was that they most likely didn’t know what they where doing was illegal and if they had a good lawyer the lawyer would have told them it was illegal and they most likely wouldn’t have done those things
@@jamesbisset9891 Yeah that's a swing and a miss my dude. He's saying they needed better legal representation for the crimes already committed. Who the hell consults with a lawyer before attempting to hire a hitman, kill a bunch of tigers, disappear a spouse, or committing blatant and purposeful copyright infringement? Nobody. They already knew these things were illegal because it's common sense. If you have to have a lawyer tell you not to hire a hitman, you probably wouldn't be found competent to stand trial...
If lawyers had to focus on shouting "Stop breaking the law asshole!" at every instance that warranted it they'd have laryngitis 24/7
"I'm never gonna financially recover from this." Is the best line of the entire show.
That was so funny but not in the "hahaha" laugh out loud way
Yeah that was best in like a dark ass way lmao. Honestly the best things that idiot ranted about was all the legit insane stuff actually showing this dude is an unstable criminal 🤣 like it's not normal to actually go as far as asking a dude if he can go kill someone for you lol. Or toting guns like a straight maniac all over the place, and hiring the fool who sold you those guns and ammo to basically make you a president 😂
Yep uncle Joe never will
@@baronsamedi4603 no offense, but I don't think that shitty joke is gonna make sense to anybody 😂
He didn't either
"I give it an F for Legal Realism."
"What? Oh, it's real life. Shut it down. Shut it down."
2020 has had big "Reality is stranger than fiction" energy.
I know right. An inefficient healthcare system in the worst of times, racial tension, and California catching on fire?
How weird and uncommon!!
Had? 😂
It's not over yet
@@jeandomeniconagereitano7016 "has had" meaning "up until now", not "had" meaning "in the past only"
Explaining 2020 to our grand childern (if we make it that far) is gonna be very interesting.
Grandbaby: Grandma, what's this image?
Me: Oh thats the time in 2020 when to take our mind off the Apocalypse everyone decided everything was secretly a cake.
@@ThexDynastxQueen
What tf are you talking about.
Everyone is obsessed with how ridiculous Joe and Carole are, but Doc Antle was the one that freaked me out the most. His harem set off so many cult alarm bells.
I'd be surprised if there's not eventually going to be a damning documentary about Doc Antle. He's clearly exploiting so many people, not to mention all the animals too.
He seems like he's got just as much sketchy stuff going on but is smart enough to act less ridiculous.
Thank you. I’ve been saying the same
Same here, the only guy who I felt was a normal guy was Joe’s campaign manager. He seemed so nice and normal.
yes, but i belive that the reason they are not showing that much about him yet is because he is probably under a huge FBI investigation and any interference might ruin all that work
The laws on owning tigers are not black and white. There's a bunch of orange too
why must you do this to me
Just got the deed to my zebra notarized 🦓
Get. Out.
That was awesome!
Shame on you lmao
"Let that be a lesson to you parents, don't sign something just because your kids put it in front of you. They might be engaging in fraud."
Dammit LegalEagle, how am I gonna get out of gym class now.
I don’t know why but this reminded me Chinese manhuas. Those manhuas, especially the ones involving rich CEOs, always involve drugging, rape, abuse, etc. Some of the moms in the stories want their son to get married and have kids. It’s to the point that they’re willing to drug their son and a poor unfortunate lady to get that to happen.
Chinese comics are wild. The Korean ones are always about high school gangs or leveling up, which is why I prefer Japanese manga but now its overly saturated with isekai
@@halinaqi2194 🤣 True. I got hooked on the isekai stories though, both Japanese and Korean. I know there are good Chinese comics, unfortunately my expectations are always low so I tend to avoid them.
I’m genuinely upset about how few people talk about the predatory nature of the people in this show. I had to stop after the third episode because I felt physically ill watching these guys be like “I was 40 and they were 16, and they moved in with me, and things just happened.” Like, my made up example is not nearly as gross as some of the other things they actually did.
Ew. 🤢
Everyone talked about Carol's sketchy husband, but no one had questions about Tiger King using drugs to lure troubled underage boys into unwanted relationships with him. I lost faith in the general audience over that
Yeah, it was bad- totally messed up.
@@RueBroadway Everyone talked about that. And in perfect internet fashion, they typically phrase it as "why is no one talking about this thing that everyone is talking about."
"This one almost broke me. There are so many legal issues to go into, so many illegal acts, these people really needed better lawyers." It's almost like Joe Exotic's in prison or something.
That's why he said needed, as in the past before they were in jail.
A huge part of a lawyer's job isn't "Get me out of this charge", but "Put a leash around my neck so I don't get the charges in the first place"
And he didn’t even bring up the possible arson!
And because of this Netflix docco, the President is considering a pardon for the guy...
@@draco84oz that was obviously a joke with the way he said he would
As a citizen of Oklahoma, I take offense at the "where the wind blows sweeping down the meth" statement. We are very good at storing our meth, I keep mine stored underground where the government's pigeon robots can't steal it.
It's in the storm cellar isn't it?
@@victoriaflewallen7307 ....no....
Those dang pigeon robots always stealing my meth.
Lol
Well you know the government has to replace all the batteries in their birds. That's why they decided to shut down nearly everything.
Something else to consider about the word 'disappearance' on the power of attorney is that this is a guy who made numerous trips to Costa Rica for questionable reasons, (according to Carol) flew a plane illegally and without registering flights, and may have been doing other shady stuff. Most people wouldn't anticipate disappearing, but if you're doing dangerous things and deliberately not leaving a trail to follow to avoid getting caught then disappearing suddenly becomes a lot more likely.
If anyone was curious on an update. The GW zoo is effectively closed- On June 1, ownership of the zoo was given to Carol Baskin and Jeff Lowe was given 120 days to vacate. On August 17, the USDA suspended Lowe’s exhibitor license, meaning he could no longer run the zoo. Garvin County Sheriff's Office deputies and USDA officials had reportedly began investigating the zoo after receiving a report that lions were ill, with their ears covered in flies and blood. Of the animals that were onsite, 42 tigers, 4 black bears, 11 wolves and a grizzly are now at the non-profit Wild Animal Sanctuary in Colorado that takes in abused big carnivores. They have over 600 rescued animals on 10,000 acres.
wow. SO WHAT, the zoo were run by CAROL BASKIN and Jeff low and they found lions being ill with their ears covered in flies and blood ?! Wow
@@theren2486 The way this was worded was as if the investigation was done while Jeff Lowe was managing the facility but I could have misunderstood that.
@@theren2486 Carol got the zoo, not the animals. She got the land and property, but Jeff took all the animals to another location
I love that place in Colorado!!
Good. I'm glad those animals are out of that situation. I couldn't bare to watch tiger king because of the conditions the animals were suffering.
“Fiction has to make sense, but reality has no such obligations” this quote has never been more true than in Tiger King.
Connor Moodie what about the movie “The Room”?
Yeah you ever watch a fictional movie and say "why did they do that?" that is every 5 seconds watching tiger king.
Freddy got fingered.
The room.
I'm sure there are others.
It's funny that you should say that because I was saying to my daughter that if someone had wrote this whole Joe Exotic situation as a book, no publisher would pick it up because it's so ridiculous. That said, that quote applies to this presidency as well.
@John Harlowe, certain parts of the legal process have been a bit sensationalized, but it doesn't change how batshit insane all of the characters are.
This guy looks like a real life Pixar animated character. His features are so pronounced.
LEGIT
RyanRMcMahon thisssssssss
All i have to say is incredibles
He looks a bit like Ryan Reynolds. Just a bit rho
josh phillips halfway between John Hamm and Ryan Reynolds
Gotta love how everyone is so focused on Baskin that they completely ignore the horrid animal abuse / slayings that joe exotic has committed
Yeah I absolutely despised this show because it did its very best to portray Joe Exotic, a horrific animal abuser, as a an anti-hero and Carol Baskin as a psychopathic murderer based on... the testimony of said animal abuser and a bitter ex-wife?
@@angrychipmunks76 yes. Me too. I absolutely hate this show. Netflix did rlly stupid shit this year
The Man: Is an abusive, feckless animal abuser engaging in harrassment of a woman in an outrageous and mocking way.
Woman: Is a quite annoying do-gooder who has been called a home-wrecking gold digger by her husband's bitter ex-wife.
... Sadly, I feel like we shouldn't have been all that surprised which one the internet decided to side with.
@@theomegajuice8660 there is also no proof she killed her husband. But there is proof Joe tried to have her killed.
But she's the bad one... 🤷♀️
I mean, I completely agree that Joe is trash, but he's paying for it by being in jail. On the other hand, there's a lot of suspicions on carol for her husband's disappearance. And I personally feel like she's abusing people by making them maintain her zoo for free
True story, years back Joe Exotic threatened me and some of my friend's lives, for opposing a partially paralyzed kangaroo being treated like a child, dressed up and taken around in carriages etc. We all had such a laugh when he first went to jail and when the movie came out it was hilarious.
I could get transporting a paralyzed animal in a carriage. But the dressing up part?
No wonder Trump likes this guy. Does anything to get attention, self-aggrandizing, doesn't give three straws about who gets hurt, and most of all: the hair.
Basically: Joe Exotic is Donald Trump minus the rich family and the "small loan" from his father.
@@Julia-lk8jn I don't ever want to defend Trump but Trump never said anything in support of Joe. Saying he will look into it when asked about it just means he doesn't know and since there was no pardon he either didn't look into it(most likely) or he looked into it and decided not to pardon.
@@andrewthezeppo That or he was just paying lip service
Doesnt take much to play it cautiously
@@supervegito2277 yes that's pretty much what I meant when I said that Trump said he would look into it and most likely didn't
“This is Florida, so I guess a little embezzlement is ok” 😂😂😂😂😂 most Florida thing ever.
You can have a little embezzlement. As a treat.
Apparently, in 1998 Carole, with a notary and lawyers, wrote an apology for the accusations about Anne (Don's assistant): th-cam.com/video/e_7-iefu14s/w-d-xo.html
Oklahoma dinkus
420th like, and it's 4/20.
So all the people of Florida are crooks?
Objection: "These characters are not realistic"...Clearly you've never been to Florida 😂
And clearly he's never even met anyone from Oklahoma
True yall/they got some interesting ppl
Oklahoma Man is the new Florida Man
Oklahomo.
I’m a Floridian and I can confirm 100% that these characters are realistic in every way.
Beyond the craziness, I feel bad for the cats that suffer because of each and every one of these people. These cats are a means to an end, which is money and fame, and it's terrible.
Agreed.
I know if somebody put a box of baby tigers in front of me, I'd be blown away and go "ohhhhh, wanna!" for a minute.
And then my neo-cortex would reassert itself and I'd go straight to being furious at people being so bloody irresponsible as to buy a dangerous wild animal, and some self-righteous idiot encouraging, soliciting and profiting from it.
Imprisoned?
For once, I count that as a happy ending. Gives him a taste of what those cats went through.
Saff, the employee who lost his arm, refused to let Joe take the fall for it. He constantly says it was his fault for reaching into the enclosure, and was back to work within 5 days.
He must have incredible strength of character considering they all constantly misgendered him throughout the documentary (including the documentary makers, which means almost everyone who saw it thinks he uses she/her pronouns!) and he didn't hold a grudge at all. Hope he's doing good these days.
It's a little concerning to me that he was working after only 5 days. Why the urgency? Why did he not feel more comfortable taking a few weeks to heal and adjust to the massive trauama he'd just endured and it's lifelong consequences?
@@madysonoster4759 I think he was also trying to down play it to protect the tigers.
Imagine going to law school for several years and having to defend crazy tiger man
It makes for a good drinking at the bar story, so there's that.
@@mutantmagnet pretty sure that'd get you free drinks for life
I think you mean “getting to defend “
@@sciencenate Yeah, thats a good conversation starter. "You see the Tiger guy on Netflix? I defended him in court"
That would be one of the highlights of my career lol 😂
Trolls: "Hey! Let's copyright claim a lawyer!"
Legal Eagle: "Because we live in the stupid timeline..."
"And because we live in the dumbest timeline" has got to be your best segue ever.
as a kid I had the haziest memory of going to a tiger zoo and wandering off before accidentally walking into a tiger feeding interaction and helping feed a tiger. I never watched Tiger King until this video and I have suddenly recognized where I went and that "oh that was real"
“They were paid in influence” *slowly shakes head* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m absolutely losing it
Yeah, me too.....
Wonder if influence is worth more than being paid in exposure?
@@gddesigner probably not
I mean, they reached out to him... looks like they made the right move, millions have seen it and a out of people like the music and now we’ve heard of them. If someone reaches out and offer their services for free, exposure or influence that’s totally different than saying you’ll pay in exposure or influence.
@@jaybee4118 Yeah, it is different than someone trying to get you to sell your work for influence/exposure (I'm not sure what the differences between these are). It's still a bad deal though.
LegalEagle
Criminal Law: ...
Civil Law: NOW LET'S GET INTO THE BIG SEXY COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT...
I think he got a chubby when discussing the asset transfers😂
@@fangal12 It's not his fault. Those Ass-ets are dummy thicc
Legal Eagle: Trademark law
Me: Oh f***.
There are very few stories of people raising non-domestic animals that don't end in tragedy. The men who raised Christian the lion were smart because they knew he would have a better adult life living amongst other lions so they sent him to a wildlife preserve in Kenya. He adapted well to his new life. He was accepted by other lions and eventually had a pride of his own. He was last seen in 1973.
The scene when Simba returns in the original Lion King is sort of a trial, I always wondered if scar's confession wouldn't be considered under duress.
Oh! Never thought of it that way. Maybe he should look at it? That sounds like a fun video
I would say if Scar confessed early one, he would be charged with murder and child endangerment too. Child endangerment cause he almost got Simba killed. But Murder/manslaughter cause of killing Muffasa.
@@MinerGameroneinonly considering it was premeditated murder and of a current reigning monarch at that, definitely assassination over manslaughter.
@@khamjaninja. my man just made an entire essay about why lions should become a democratic species
@@3possumsinatrenchcoat yeah surely that's high treason or something.
I think the most damning thing about this whole documentary is that the most rational person in it appears to be the former drug lord.
wut
That's a really good point
Luke Dodson yah he comes off as a nice guy not gonna lie
He legit seemed like a person I could have a good conversation with
Yep I definitely agree with that, except not the "most" rational person imo. Saff seems like a really cool dude.
Hearing you say “we live in the dumbest timeline” made me feel validated. So thanks for that.
Sadly I think it may be the timeline of greatest entertainment value
“May you live in interesting times” -ancient Chinese curse
@@expfcwintergreenv2.02 I figured out what that saying meant in the third grade when 9/11 happened. It was a weird moment where I knew life was about to get a lot more complicated.
@@expfcwintergreenv2.02 > “May you live in interesting times” -ancient Chinese curse
FYI: That being a chinese curse is a myth. There are no actual chinese sources for this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times
Still a nice saying though.
It doesn't stop there either, for curses wrongly attributed as Chinese. One of the lesser well-known "Chinese" curses goes along the line of 'May you come to the attention of people in power'.
Wrongfully having wisdom accredited to you is the real curse though, am I right?
Ah yes, early pandemic. Such a whimsical time
That image of "OKLAHOMA where the wind comes sweeping down the meth!" is absolutely savage and hilarious
Hey Devin do you think joe exotic would be taken more seriously if he wore a suit from indochino?
I mean, it couldn't hurt...
Hahaha thats one way to get his attention
If, as he said in the clip, he doesn't own anything, he might himself have been keeping a low - income look for just the purpose of being judgement-proof.
@@LegalEagle could it hurt Indochino to be associated Joe Exotic and could they ban him from wearing their suits ?
@@scifino1 they cant tho
"And because we live in the *dumbest* timeline..." should be the subtitle of the entire 21st century.
Staff uses he/him pronouns mostly. He said in an interview he wasn’t bothered by people using she/her but just for the record he uses he/him. :)
Personally i think of it more as a respect thing. Yes they might be okay with one pronoun being used but using their chosen pronouns are just more polite
The one who got his arm bitten off* to clarify if anyone wasn't sure who
*Saff
+ boost
@Brit Jade people who respect other people
I actually thought it was hilarious and maddening when I was reading online that people were bashing Carole for going after and suing his mother. I thought to myself if I was going crazy or if no one realize that he was committing fraud and threw his own mother under the bus that he did not own.
And we are all using the word "Zoo" loosely aren't we.
It's really a zoo out there.
@@alex0589 Touche
That's my biggest issue with how this show is being covered! They're not zoos!!! They're prisons for these animals to suffer and die when they're no longer of use!
@@jessicar2609 exactly!
@@jessicar2609 it's still a zoo, just a bad one.
omg "one of our workers arms was just torn off, now I can give you a raincheck or..." bruh the nonchalant way he said that made me feel weird
I was more taken aback by the ppl's non-reaction
@@cheery-hex Well, what can you do? Unless you're a paramedic, you shouldn't try to help, since you're untrained and would probably make it worse, and you don't need to run in a panic since the tiger is still in the cage. It's someone you don't know telling you that there's a situation happening somewhere you aren't allowed to go involving someone else you don't know and it's basically already over.
They are all problem in some sort of shock.
I would be more eager after the news
@@tristonchism1872 I don't know if that's necessarily true that you shouldn't try to help...
Maybe I'm biased because I was a lifeguard for many years and therefore have decent first aid training, but I think most people know to try and stop bleeding at least. Obviously you wouldn't be able to completely stop arterial bleeding without knowing how to tie a really good tourniquet but anything is better than nothing in a situation where a person can easily die of blood loss.
Not to mention the fact that 911 operators can give you a quick run down of what you should be doing while you are waiting for the ambulance (and they usually have a long list).
Those poor cats, they’re such victims of these maniacs
*walks into coffee shop*
Me: "I'll have a latte!"
Barista: "that'll be $4.50!"
Me: "can I pay for it in publicity? I'm a little short on cash right now..."
Reminds me of some bridezilla (or extra-ordinary imitation of one) who wanted her guests to pay for the wedding, the photographer to work for 'exposition', (meaning the venue was so pretty so he could get some good pictures out of it, which, hint, a good photographer can also get from a spider web), and the gods only know what her brilliant plan about the catering was.
Astonishingly enough, her selfish friends didn't go for it.
So sad. :C
Money, worth the value printed on it. Publicity….Priceless
It’s ridiculous but
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Do this all the time and can’t understand why people call them out for it.
The F for legal realism part had me laughing so hard lmao
"Oh. What's that? Oh. Oh! It's real life. Alright, shut it down. Shut it down"
Can... Can we get off this roller-coaster?
Somehow it makes sense given how poorly the facts are presented to drive a narrative in this show sometimes
Time Travel Agent: "What timeline do you want to travel to?"
Time Traveler: "The dumb one."
Unfortunately for us, according to the many worlds hypothesis all timelines can and do exist.
Time Travel Agent: "Can I get your name for the time passport stamp?"
Time Traveler: "Murica"
Time Travel Agent: *check computer *"I'm sorry sir. But that timeline is on the RESTRICTION list due to its volatile and idiotic nature."
"Do you know how little it narrows down???"
Joe Exotic had a limo with a hair and makeup crew waiting for him outside the prison in which he's incarcerated with a pre-recorded thank you message to Donald Trump on Jan. 20. Oops.
I'm dead 😝😢😊🙏👌👌👌😁😄😂😂😂😭😭😭😂😫😫😭😩😩
And he got mad when Trump didn't granted him a presidential Pardon.
@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880 Something I can agree with Trump on. I'm glad he didn't pardon the big cat abuser Joe Exotic.
@@Sasha-Louise That was the only time I agreed with him.
@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880 Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Trump is far less accurate than a broken clock!
oh yeah, tiger king was a thing. totally forgot about it.
Objection: Early on you say that these people all need better lawyers. Having the best lawyer on earth won't help you if you refuse to follow their advice or display common sense.
SUSTAINED
Lawyers got OJ off. They can do anything.
Sustained 👨⚖️
Sustained af
Joe did follow his lawyers advice. Remember he burned down his studio to destroy evidence.
"The only thing worse than getting mauled by a tiger is getting demonitized."
You heard it folks. Official legal advice.
Didnt he say "debonetized"?
In what way is this advice? What did he advise anyone to do in this statement?
#NotLegalAdvice
ladawg81 A legal opinion?
@ladawg81 that's just an opinion, a legal opinion! And cut!
I wonder if Carole Baskin could sue the makers of Tiger King for defamation? They’ve definitely made most people think that she killed her husband and I’m sure it’s caused financial and emotional damages.
The wildest part of the whole thing is Carol Baskins husband was FOUND ALIVE and REALLY WAS in Costa Rica! That shits wild but not totally unsurprising. It’s hard to track people down in costs rica they don’t use an address system.
Really?? I’ve been looking into it, but I haven’t been able to find anything that says that, what was your source?
@@Blake_murray16I’m betting “their own ass”
I *LOVE* the fact that Joe's reaction when his worker got their arm torn off is to put on an EMT bomber jacket.
I'm surprised she didnt sue
MalikZaheerKnux In the last episode where Joel McHale was interviewing people, Saff (the employee) said that he didn’t blame Joe at all
He is/was actually a licensed EMT. He took the course and passed the national test for certification. Additionally he's dancing on a first responder truck for a volunteer department in one of his videos.
And to say "I will never financially recover from this"
@@johnswanson2600 Was. He no longer has his license.
“What? This is real life? SHUT IT DOWN!” Dude that was hilarious. Truth is so often stranger than fiction these days.
That's a common mantra just read my stories and you'll change your mind
A purple flying tiger that speaks Sumerian and plays lacrosse
With a Scottish accent
Yha it's a documentary dust real life
I found the dialogue and characters unrealistic as well :P
Countless times when this show came out: I'm not from THAT part of Oklahoma
Unfortunately I am 😭😭
I recommend (if you haven't already) you watch well Red Comedy's "Tiger by the Tale" youtube series where they do commentary on Tiger King. The guys are from various parts of the south and their first reactions were "not where I come from" and then they slowly realize that oh yeah.. Down the road there was actually this one guy who had tropical reptiles or leopards or some similar shit. 😂😂😂
"because we live in the dumbest timeline"
😭 It's so truuuueee
"So let that be a lesson to all those parents out there. Don't sign paperwork just because your kids put it in front of you. They might be engaging in fraud."
*2 weeks later*
Me: No Timmy. I don't care if you can't go on the "field trip" to the "science museum" if I don't sign your "permission slip". I'm not helping you commit a misdemeanor!
But then the lawyers wouldnt have jobs :/
"How is it even possible that these crazy people can legally own big cats?"
"Some states are just crazy, man"
United States of Crazy.
@@Yora21 the united states of.......
Ice cold alaska
Incest alabama
Celeberty california
Yee haw texas
Crazy florida
City new york
And Torist hawaii
Welcome to Oklahoma where liquor laws were onceso strict that the Catholic Church had to sue, but owning a tiger is perfectly legal.
Quinntus79 that’s my Oklahoma!
I'm satisfied with my house cat who looks like a miniature tiger, thank you very much.
Objection: You should have probably used air quotes when referring to them as “zoo owners”.
hangarflying overruled: They meet the bare minimum to hold the title of Zoo owner in the United States
I’m sustaining this on spiritual merits.
founditontheweb but they only own tigers wouldn’t that just make them tiger owners also Carole baskin is not a zoo she is a “animal shelter”
@@saulgoodman8501 Doc Antle owns other animals besides tigers, same for Joe Exotic before going to prison. They mentioned having alligators at G W Zoo and they were shown with chimpanzees as well.
@@saulgoodman8501 and yes Carole Baskin owns a "rescue" not a zoo because she only rescues big cats. She just doesn't rehabilitate them besides making them more comfortable
0:37 "These people really needed better lawyers" - Understatement of the year!
Alternately, they could have simply violated fewer laws... 8-/
Ah, but having a good attorney (whom he should just have on staff at that point permanently), those laws would either not have been violated or they would have weaseled him out of the most egregious.
Objection: Saff, the one who lost an arm, is actually a "he," as he is a trans man. I know he is sometimes missgendered in the show, so don't beat yourself up about it for getting this wrong.
Edit: I just went and watched part 2 and legal eagle addresses this!
Oh, glad he addresses it in part 2. That (among other things) set me off the whole time. Even Netflix was misgendering Saff, which come ON dude.
So what you're saying is they're a she.
@@JingleBop No theyre saying Saff is a he.
@@JingleBop Please adress trans people as their chosen pronouns, it's just more polite
Saff said in an interview she doesn’t mind she\her pronoun usage, so I think it’s up to him to be offended or not tbh. You don’t need to get offended on someone’s behalf. His pronouns are never stated in Tiger King so how would Legal know 🙄not like Legal can just ask him easily.
That injury... I stood up and shouted "Was that a full degloving?"
It was.
; an avulsion.
Truly horrific.
“And because we live in the dumbest timeline...” 😂😂😂
True...
*Shakes head*
"Why?"
An unapologetic showman with bad hair that frequently skirts and/or violates the law and who peddles damaging conspiracy theories in acts of petty vengeance against people who have slighted him...
@Aggressive Tubesock Evidence?
Well a few differences to keep in mind. 1. Trump views his presidency more as a reality show than Obama did and has made that clear on multiple occasions. 2. It isn’t the first time he’s pardoned or defended people with horrendous records. Joe Arpaio is a pretty notable example. 3. He’s crazy. And he claims he was joking based on whoever he’s talking to at that moment.
@Aggressive Tubesock Then there must be loads of evidence you can point me towards to substantiate your claims.
As a former Oklahoman, I thoroughly enjoyed the cheap shot at Oklahoma and want to let you know that your opinion is well researched and valid.
BrotherhoodOfSteel85 I can relate living here in Florida. 😉
@The 99% overruled. Anyone from Oklahoma wouldn't want to provide meth, I mean evidence to such claim.
@@Saint_nobody OK boomer. How about proof address and two forms of ID?
Oh that's right you sold yours to get your meth fix. Typical.
Oklahoma is such a boring state that even its abbreviation is "ok"
@@xstatic-ow5mz sorry buddy. I'm neither Boomer nor tweaker. But as a millennial (cringe) stoner (lame), I did laugh at your petty projections.
Whether or not carol killed her husband, there is a BIG difference in the way Carol takes care of tigers vs how joe does.
yeah, very different
Joe didnt feed his tiger human meat
@@MrRichiarditya 😄 im dead.
@@MrRichiarditya he also didn't take tigers from cages just for then to put them back into even smaller ones.. 🤷♀️
I never noticed that the person that called 911 for saff didn’t misgender him, that’s nice
Too bad the documentary as a whole didn't do that
Or legal eagle
@@kukicu The audience nor Legal Eagle was really informed on this until the episode that came after the series. Really sucks. Wish the documentarians had used his preferred pronouns.
Yeah the episode that called attention to it also in the same five minutes had him explain that he didn't care about it either. Seriously if the guy himself didn't care why do any of you?
@@sorrenblitz805 while you may have somewhat of a point, misgendering is bigger than just one person not caring one way or the other which is why so many people care.
"Because we live in the dumbest timeline..." That might be the most scientifically accurate thing anybody has ever said about the our place in the multiverse and space time continuum.
I will say just by the way he was talking about it I think Trump was being sarcastic
"Because we live in the dumbest timeline..." hits different in quarantine, lol.
He got "the dumbest timeline" from TH-camr Ryan George. Ryan creates skits in which he plays every character, and he did one where they had a "Dumbest Timeline" gameshow, and contestants had to guess what was going on in our timeline, the dumbest one. Apparently, every other timeline has transportation, and it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. 🤣😂🤣😂
if we had four more years of trump, we'd truly be on our way towards the reality of the movie "Idiocracy". i mean it already exists as an exaggerated look at reality...
Just imagine if this wasn't the dumbest timeline...
I feel so bad for Joe’s mother. He took advantage of her and it just breaks my heart for her.
His a user .The dude used his dead husbands mother to make himself feel better after his death
So Carole is in the clean?
@@thabeast5833 More or less, yeah. She's changed for the better long ago, and has committed many years of her life to helping protect tigers and other big cats. The show did nothing to show that.
Zicky Kane it did plenty to show that. She kept them in borderline smaller cages the joe exotic and other zoos. She had them put into smaller cages when they eat and then she complains about how joe is extorting the cubs. She’s having the the large wild cats go into a small cage so people can watch them eat. She makes money of tigers like joe. She probably is rolling in the dough.
@@satanicpony644 Her sanctuary actually has large open-air enclosures in which the cats are free to roam. But oooooh she charges people money to raise funds to keep her sanctuary afloat, clearly a greedy she-devil....
Just came across your videos and I sincerely love them! Very informative and entertaining! Thanks!
Me and my wife watched, primal fear recently and thought it would be great to see you do a reaction video to some of the court scenes !! Great film by the way ! Keep up the great videos !
Don's lawyer insisting that a death threat (made against his own client) was protected speech under the First Amendment absolutely floored me.
Yeah, it's almost like maybe he's not a very good lawyer.
@@amandac7981 i mean imagine having to be Joe lawyer, man working with what he has
I don't really know the context, maybe he didn't want to go to court and risk further legal battles they couldn't win?
"But this is Florida so I assume some light embezzlement is okay." haha
I admit, I laughed at that as a Floridian myself.
Don't know how I missed this video 8 months ago, considering I, like everyone else, was at home all the time, but I loved the "Dumbest Timeline" reference! Legal Eagle is a Ryan George fan! 😁 Watching those videos is super easy, barely an inconvenience!
I would be really excited to see you review the courtroom scenes from a True Grit (the newer one, with Jeff Bridges). I’d love to hear your thoughts on an old 1900s courtroom and trial. Love your channel, I watch every day
Underrated comment! I think the newer true grit deserves a "laws broken" episode!
"because we live in the dumbest time-line" that one hit hard.
Miles Barrineau Read this as he said it.
"There's no federal law that says you can't own big cats." Ah yes, the Air Bud statute... I know it well
Ahhhh... America... 🤪
Funny story:
I actually met Tim Stark a few years back at his zoo.
Not a very pleasant person, to say the least.
Disappearance appears in many power of attorneys, mostly for people who work on ships and actually have a good chance of disappearing.
Objection!:
I think calling what Joe runs a “zoo” rather than specifically calling it a roadside zoo or roadside attraction kinda throws accredited zoos under the bus by categorizing them together
i guess because legally it qualified as a zoo? I don't know if zoos and roadside zoos are different in legal terms.
Regular zoos are just as abusive to their animals. Animals belong in their natural habitat, not in tiny enclosures at unnatural temperatures and surrounded by gawking people and screaming kids. Ever seen a polar bear in an open enclosure in July? It's heartbreaking.
Yeah, good luck getting those animals in zoos out in the wild. People think zoos are on their way out, but clearly that’s not the case.
@@PraiseTheFSMonster so I will agree zoos are problematic yet unfortunately they are increasingly more needed.
Accredited zoos generally have a good care for their animals so they do live very full lives as much as possible. They serve as good educational tools for children which again is a good thing for the future. And they provide conservation efforts through their breeding programs that at this point are helping keep the wild animals alive.
I wish we didn't have to use them but if we have to do it there are some excellent ones that really are helping the cause for conservation and research.
Sutand
Should have started: Hey all you Legal Eagles and Eaglets
Eaglets are baby eagles. Is this a reference I'm missing?
@@Warrior_Culture Carole Baskin starts all her videos with "Hey all you cool cats and kittens"
Warrior Culture No, you’re right. A baby eagle is called an eaglet, like a baby duck is called a duckling.
@@Warrior_Culture Yes, what StereotypeNerd said. I was playing on her words since she is a part of this topic.
@@PerdomoCigars Got it. I've never seen the show, I just watch Legal Eagle. Thanks.
22:07 "Dont you forget about me starts playing"
The fact that the tiger king thing was over a year ago is terrifying
"To my understanding they were paid in...influence."
That's the biggest crime right there
To my knowledge. That's what they wanted .... They just didn't think Joe would pass it off as him singing and never mentioning them
I was so disappointed about this film when the tiger didn't get crowned.
Truth in advertising is dead 😂
I was kinda disapponted there was no ww2 german heavy tanks with long 88 mm guns either.
It's a documentary *series*
I feel that
"You've got to admit that these songs are a little cat-chy" ... I see what you did here !
I've been loving your Lawyer Reacts series so far. Do you think you'll ever do a reaction video to, "The Verdict" ?
"Shut it down. Shut it down," with the "I'm never going to financially recover from this" clip had me rolling 😂.
Why didn’t you react to the scene where Joe’s lawyer practically recommends that he burn down the video shed???? 😂
Agreed that was an important moment
Admitting that destruction of evidence would still be better than what they would find out?
It's akin to the moment when someone told L. Ron Hubbard his tax problems could be solved by starting a religion, ha.
His lawyer basically used coded mafia speak to get Joe to commit arson. Shouldn't he be disbarred for that?
@@timovangalen1589 Disbarring should be the least of his worries, it's conspiracy if he's telling the guy to commit a crime so there's potential prison there. Most lawyers that have dubious ethics are usually smart enough to keep plausible deniability.
My man, you just earned my subscription. This topic was weird but Incredible interesting X much appreciated the research and work you do
"And because we live in the dumbest timeline,..." started following your channel right here 😂❤️
"Because we live in the dumbest timeline..." hits different in quarantine, lol.
Now with protest
Now with rioting on capitol grounds.
now with my homework
All tiger king taught me is that everyone on that show is shady af
Oh do a deep dive you'll be flabbergasted why Antle and Joe/Jeff aren't shut down also why they haven't gotten Tim in trouble for running a now illegal business as he no longer has the permits needed to have a open public zoo especially a contact zoo
For real, it makes me sad that people have decided there are heroes and villains in this, there are just a heap of villains and assholes and abused animals in between
Hey! Reinke, Saf, and Erik seem to be good people! But yeah throw the rest of the cast in the trash where they belong.
I think they murdered Saf as an act of transphobic violence. I feel like he was the most redeemable cast member.
Except the tigers
My friends warned me off of watching this documentary because they said it would make me furious.
The reality, watching just this video *about* the documentary, is that no, it would make me cry. Because even just hearing the short clips regarding Joe killing his tigers was enough to nearly bring me to tears.
That's why i never watched the documentary, i knew it would make me depressed (well, *more* depressed, last year and a half has been a doozy). There really needs to be more federal laws around non domesticated animal ownership, cause these aren't the only big cat "zoos" that treat the animals just as badly as Joe exotic.
This is also why I didn't watch it. I get that it was crazy escapist shit for a lot of people in a devastating time, but I just couldn't get past thinking about all the tigers killed. Too horrific.
When I was little there was a family friend who had a tiger. He worked for the Cincinnati zoo as a handler and something had happened (I don't know the details) and he ended up with her. Drove her around in an old cop car cause the partition kept her from climbing up front with him. He loved that big girl. She wasn't an attraction she was family.
21:17 glad you shook your head at the "paid in influence" debacle. If you're an artist and someone says that they will pay you in "influence" or "exposure" NEVER TAKE IT,AND BY IT I MEAN NOTHING!!!!!!
Unless they are talking about the Exposure Cryptocurrency. In which case it might be worth something, maybe: paywithexposure.com/
I mean... there's almost an exception for when the person offering legitimately has a big enough audience that them mentioning you would legitimately benefit you, however, that person almost certainly would have no trouble affording to just pay you such that if they're not willing to, they're pretty sketchy, so it kind of cancels out.
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Guy, it was the two that made the song who approached Joe exotic offering to do it.... If they offer to give their product away for free, it isn't the joe's fault for accepting..... They saw it as an opportunity to get recognition, which they surely got.
@@Artyomthewalrus Apparently there are joe exotic fanboys out here.
Has someone ever threatened to sue you without knowing that you're a lawyer? If so was it hilarious?
I was a legal Marine, a paralegal of sorts and it's the sad case in the military that most enlisted military members don't know the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice (the laws that govern the military) hardly at all. I had numerous times where a Sergeant would make the remark he was going to charge me with such and such article not knowing I was a legal Marine to try to coerce me into doing something and I always responded with "With all due respect Sergeant you can try, but this doesn't fit the elements of that article. I'm a legal Marine." the look on their faces when they realized they couldn't play me like others was priceless. I had to fight smiling to not fall into the disrespect section of the UCMJ and actually be guilty of something lol.
There's something wrong when you smiling can get you in more trouble than your words.
@@thethievesdomain8360 Yeah a smirk could be seen as disrespecful. Don't have to respect the man or woman, but you have to respect the rank regardless. I almost got NJPed (a form of formal punishment) because I was wearing a black trenchcoat walking to the PX (store) and someone behind me yelled "Hey where you goin? Plannin to shoot up the PX?" I didn't even think about it, threw the bird and kept walking. Next thing I know I got a Corporal in my face screaming about disrespect and how he's going to report me and to take him to my Sergeant so I did. Thankfully my Sergeant called him out for being an asshat and it ended there. ...but could have gotten me in a lot of trouble. Have to be on your guard about your behavior and who you are talking to at all times in the military.
@@TresTrefusis Not that it would have been a fun time for you, but honestly that Corporal probably could have gotten himself into some shit if he actually tried to make something serious of it. You can't shout stupid shit in the dark and also expect whoever you're talking to to know who you are. Knowledge is a component of Article 89. Also it's a defense that the officer's conduct was pretty flagrantly unprofessional. Loudly cracking off about shooting places up doesn't sound like appropriate official conduct to me; but that's wild speculation on my part.
Regardless of the latter, the first bit stands though. Pointing these out is probably how your Sergent got him to piss off.
@guitarfreak3422 Well, there was that time a production mindless issued blind copyright strikes, and when LegalEagle called there bluff, they buckled pretty damn quick.
I don't know terminology and context for a lot of this lawyer stuff so it's cool to have it explained in a way I can understand 🤣 great content, subscribed!
Thanks for this episode. It’s a good one!
Please review an episode of the office called "The deposition", Season 4 episode 12.
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“Fun Fact: Joe didn’t sing that song!” Yeah, we noticed. There’s a part in the show where Joe is listening to, and singing along with, the song, and they sound nothing alike. The guy on the recording sounds like a pretty traditional, generic country singer, while Joe sounds like Arin Hanson’s impression of Larry the Cable Guy. 🤣
Arin is Joe Exotic, confirmed!
Some of that lip synching was awful.
C o n s u m e Prilosec
Was he lipsynching at the funeral?
ahaha when hes at the funeral "yall my voice is a little broken from crying all day" *proceeds to sing like a shithead for an hour and a half*- I hate to say it but travis lived one of the most embarrassing lives on the planet, imagine killing yourself accidentally and then this asshole shows up to not only ruin your funeral but to further embarrass your memory and your family.
When you shut your eyes and shook your head while saying "no" is what earned the like.
Have you thought of perhaps reacting to court cases in Law & Order? I'm sure they're dramatized, but some cases they cover are extremely interesting and I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I like it