This video and the one for the shocks are basically the must-see videos for each MTB rider that is choosing suspension! Thank you, Otter! For me it was very important to hear (in the chapter for the Super Z) the term "chatter-box". I know exactly what you mean. However I did not hear this term in any MTB channel. They only talk about plush ride. Well, you have noticed that otherwise good fork could feel rather terrible on high-speed breaking bumps. And for me this part is most important and I make the distinction here - if the fork is good on high-speed breaking bumps - for me it will most probably be good everywhere else.
Cheers dog. There is probably 5 bike TH-cam channels that will speak their mind. The rest are sell out marketing messages. While their videos may be more entertaining or excited than me. I decided after years and thousands of dollars wasted on GoPro products among others. I would just speak me mind and not worry about pleasing brands. It is a good fork better than Zeb. Just not at the park
@@OtterMTBtech All the best, man! The independent opinion is priceless these days. Yours is such and I watch and listen very carefully. Already picked some knowledge from your videos. Keep up and ride well!
A very good video or shall I say channel. All videos are very good. When do you expect to prepare the Olins air shock test? I undecided between the 38 paired with the X2 and the Olins fork plus the Olins air shock. Maybe there is even an option to put the 38 up front and Olins air on the rear to avoid problems with the X2. Let me know what you think. Thank you
Epic video with good information! Would be great to hear thoughts on the updated Zeb with charger 3.1 and improved bushings, do they actually make a diffrence? Alot of praise for the updates, but critical comparison would be in order.
Couple of things The Lyrik is a trail fork not a down country fork like the Sid or Pike. In terms of the Lyrik’s performance your first problem is you’re running it at 160 on an E Bike you should be on a Zeb, Rockshox forks are known and proven to be the most buttery smooth and tractiony forks out there. Bushing tightness is a give and a take. More correctly sized bushing can feel less buttery smooth but can actually increase stiffness and precision making the fork feel better in the long run because there’s less flex on the system. Any reliable reviewer should also be able to tell the difference between bladder and IFP because there’s a big difference. While basic servicing on Fox products can be easy it’s when you get into harder damper disassembly or warranty services where Fox becomes non ideal. Also unsure why you’re comparing 3 worlds of price points and levels of forks you can’t compare a Ohlins to a Yari…
@@OtterMTBtech rockshox is innovating more than Fox that’s what pushes the industry. You need a nitrogen tank to property rebuild a Fox damper which I would think most people don’t have on hand. Especially if they have a kitchen scale “dyno..”
Awesome video and glad you confirmed my theory that the stock zeb rides best at 160(and hopefully the 150 i bought). I predict a Secus, Luftkappe, and or Trutune would make 170+ more good!
What's weird is that Rockshox will out their forks on sale 4 years in. The 2020 fork I bought brand new was at 300$ and you're right, I dont see any kits anywhere lol I guess bike shops can do the work I could have done cheaper.
The ext forks I tried 35, 44, 50. No change. Zeb ATC 160 is same as 170 38. It’s just the way they feel on trail you can’t correct it from my experience
@@OtterMTBtech I feel they’re different but I’m getting what I feel I need to be more stable at speed, more so than the dhx2 and more affordably than push 11/6. Your videos have been helpful to me another average rider
Is there any "traveling fork" made for heavy packed Touring bikes, that im intressted in;) cause my recon silver rl 100mm is on it's limits,what i need is more a 38mm stantions 120mm travle with 180kg system Waight;)
This is a very long answer. I guess this is the place. From factory factory recommended rebound settings and air pressure could not even get to 3/4 of the travel. Remove tokens substantially better ride was able to access the upper 3/4 of the travel. Moving the rebound to the full fast setting dialing in the compression as rebound instead, two tokens back in the fork
Ever tried running a shorter stem or longer offset than the common 40 mm stem and 44 mm offset? If u have longer offset than your stem you get way less understeer. For example i run a 31 mm renthal stem with my 51 mm offset rxf36x, and a 10 mm aerozine stem with my 37 mm offset mezzer. Steering is a lot more lively (or twitchy) than it is with stems that more closely match the fork offset. However with 40 mm stem and 44 mm fork offset, the bike is way more stable. You lean the bike with your body instead of turning with your arms. I like the lively steering and turning with my arms There are videos on this by Brian cahal, Rulezman, hardtail party, and 1 other guy I’m forgetting. I encourage everybody to research it.
I have 35, 45, 55 stem. Nothing fixed the 36 issue. Along with 50 40 30 ride bars. Full disclosed I don’t corner very good. Next season I’ll take lessons
What makes a bike understeer is: 1. bike picthing backwards in turn (making the head angle slacker) 2.Too long stem 3. Poor position on bike ( like C shaped back. No or little hinge in hips) this feel like you are "on it" bu in reality your weight is further back than it should be.
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May I ask your height and weight, so that I can understand your preferences on suspension matching?
my 2022 Zeb Ultimate did not work well at all. My worst fork ever in 25 years. They seem to have great difference, some work, some do not. Looks like quality assurance problems from the factory. Also one fork leg was dry, no oil inside. Had this on a 2011 Boxxer as well. Rockshox seems to have low quality standards at its assemly lines in China. I changed it against a Fox 40 performance, which works great!
All RockShox forks ship dry. Unless the damper leaks. They are all made on the street in tawain. For sure quality control issues more so than Fox. Jack hammer air spring is not for everyone. The rebound three clicks faster than you’re used to no tokens then it will feel terrible
Amazing vid again, but sus af, I really hope we are not witnessing some big finale hidden here 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤔😕 Like, you do a vid on all the shocks and forks then BAM, the channel ends.
This video and the one for the shocks are basically the must-see videos for each MTB rider that is choosing suspension! Thank you, Otter! For me it was very important to hear (in the chapter for the Super Z) the term "chatter-box". I know exactly what you mean. However I did not hear this term in any MTB channel. They only talk about plush ride. Well, you have noticed that otherwise good fork could feel rather terrible on high-speed breaking bumps. And for me this part is most important and I make the distinction here - if the fork is good on high-speed breaking bumps - for me it will most probably be good everywhere else.
Cheers dog. There is probably 5 bike TH-cam channels that will speak their mind. The rest are sell out marketing messages. While their videos may be more entertaining or excited than me.
I decided after years and thousands of dollars wasted on GoPro products among others. I would just speak me mind and not worry about pleasing brands.
It is a good fork better than Zeb. Just not at the park
@@OtterMTBtech All the best, man! The independent opinion is priceless these days. Yours is such and I watch and listen very carefully. Already picked some knowledge from your videos. Keep up and ride well!
A very good video or shall I say channel. All videos are very good. When do you expect to prepare the Olins air shock test? I undecided between the 38 paired with the X2 and the Olins fork plus the Olins air shock. Maybe there is even an option to put the 38 up front and Olins air on the rear to avoid problems with the X2. Let me know what you think. Thank you
The Öhlins RXF38, it ships with a pretty large negative volume spacer fitted. It’s really worth removing it.
Wouldn’t that depend on the rider? I’m 235lbs
I’m going to take it out to see. It’s still the best all around
@@OtterMTBtech th-cam.com/video/MoRBgToNGwk/w-d-xo.html
@@jeffgood1580I’m pushing 220 and it definitely works for me.
In my humble opinion you can never insist too much on how shitty motion control is.
Excellent video 👏
You breaking hearts bro !!!
Epic video with good information! Would be great to hear thoughts on the updated Zeb with charger 3.1 and improved bushings, do they actually make a diffrence? Alot of praise for the updates, but critical comparison would be in order.
I will buy one this year. It’s a slight improvement. Grip 2 to grip x is larger jump and it’s hard to notice unless your looking
Wow! I really appreciate your work! Thanks!
Cheers dog.
Great work, but definitely see how it all depends on the individual and what they want/need for their riding style...
3 star for the MC2 damper, I had a good laugh at that.
Should it be at zero?
He’s right I understand rated it. It’s world class , but lacks range
I really would love you to try and test the countersycle tuned mass damper!
Please?!?!
Good video. I was looking at a yari and backed out of it. Thank you!! Also you should know the difference between to and too.
Couple of things
The Lyrik is a trail fork not a down country fork like the Sid or Pike. In terms of the Lyrik’s performance your first problem is you’re running it at 160 on an E Bike you should be on a Zeb, Rockshox forks are known and proven to be the most buttery smooth and tractiony forks out there. Bushing tightness is a give and a take. More correctly sized bushing can feel less buttery smooth but can actually increase stiffness and precision making the fork feel better in the long run because there’s less flex on the system. Any reliable reviewer should also be able to tell the difference between bladder and IFP because there’s a big difference. While basic servicing on Fox products can be easy it’s when you get into harder damper disassembly or warranty services where Fox becomes non ideal.
Also unsure why you’re comparing 3 worlds of price points and levels of forks you can’t compare a Ohlins to a Yari…
@@OtterMTBtech rockshox is innovating more than Fox that’s what pushes the industry. You need a nitrogen tank to property rebuild a Fox damper which I would think most people don’t have on hand. Especially if they have a kitchen scale “dyno..”
Awesome video and glad you confirmed my theory that the stock zeb rides best at 160(and hopefully the 150 i bought). I predict a Secus, Luftkappe, and or Trutune would make 170+ more good!
Also I weigh 215 and LOVE my Vivid air at the 55mm stroke @27% sag with zero volume spacers, extra small bottom out bumper and custom damper tune!
@@craigmellin6217 security fixes that. Luftkappe will make it more progressive
What's weird is that Rockshox will out their forks on sale 4 years in. The 2020 fork I bought brand new was at 300$ and you're right, I dont see any kits anywhere lol I guess bike shops can do the work I could have done cheaper.
Their is a company Anso makes the seal kit
Please consider fork offset and ATC when evaluating steering behaviour.
Exactly. He probably runs a 40 mm stem and the forks are probably 44 mm offset. Shorter stem or longer offset would alleviate the understeer
The ext forks I tried 35, 44, 50. No change. Zeb ATC 160 is same as 170 38. It’s just the way they feel on trail you can’t correct it from my experience
@@OtterMTBtech interesting, thanks for responding
I really like the RockShox coil with HBO over the DHX2. But I’ll only run a fox 38 up front.
HBO is superior to Fox. Damping theory is different cheers on that
@@OtterMTBtech I feel they’re different but I’m getting what I feel I need to be more stable at speed, more so than the dhx2 and more affordably than push 11/6. Your videos have been helpful to me another average rider
Eyy welcome back 👍 👍
Had to to break this is a unhealthy habit
Did you try the lyrik charger 3 with buttercups?
Negative ghost rider
Did you ever set up the Mezzer correctly = putting air when the bike is unweighted? You really need to do that or else the fork will suck down.
Yes my favorite fork but, does sag into travel even after.
@@OtterMTBtech strange. Mine does not :/
Otter you're legend!
Cheers dog
Cheers dog
Is there any "traveling fork" made for heavy packed Touring bikes, that im intressted in;) cause my recon silver rl 100mm is on it's limits,what i need is more a 38mm stantions 120mm travle with 180kg system Waight;)
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Did you take the two tokens out of the Super Z later on in order to make it less progressive?
This is a very long answer. I guess this is the place. From factory factory recommended rebound settings and air pressure could not even get to 3/4 of the travel.
Remove tokens substantially better ride was able to access the upper 3/4 of the travel.
Moving the rebound to the full fast setting dialing in the compression as rebound instead, two tokens back in the fork
Ever tried running a shorter stem or longer offset than the common 40 mm stem and 44 mm offset?
If u have longer offset than your stem you get way less understeer. For example i run a 31 mm renthal stem with my 51 mm offset rxf36x, and a 10 mm aerozine stem with my 37 mm offset mezzer. Steering is a lot more lively (or twitchy) than it is with stems that more closely match the fork offset.
However with 40 mm stem and 44 mm fork offset, the bike is way more stable. You lean the bike with your body instead of turning with your arms. I like the lively steering and turning with my arms
There are videos on this by Brian cahal, Rulezman, hardtail party, and 1 other guy I’m forgetting. I encourage everybody to research it.
Also on the mezzer the sticker on the back of the bike is for the travel that it ships with. If u change it the settings are different
I have 35, 45, 55 stem. Nothing fixed the 36 issue. Along with 50 40 30 ride bars. Full disclosed I don’t corner very good. Next season I’ll take lessons
@@OtterMTBtech I’m definitely not the best in corners myself. I just feel like not many ppl know how this can affect steering. Thanks for the input
What makes a bike understeer is:
1. bike picthing backwards in turn (making the head angle slacker)
2.Too long stem
3. Poor position on bike ( like C shaped back. No or little hinge in hips) this feel like you are "on it" bu in reality your weight is further back than it should be.
May I ask your height and weight, so that I can understand your preferences on suspension matching?
220lb 6’2” all 50 lb plus Ebike’s
@@OtterMTBtech195lbs here, same weight bike, your thoughts on suspension settings and preferences are pretty close to mine
my 2022 Zeb Ultimate did not work well at all. My worst fork ever in 25 years. They seem to have great difference, some work, some do not. Looks like quality assurance problems from the factory. Also one fork leg was dry, no oil inside. Had this on a 2011 Boxxer as well. Rockshox seems to have low quality standards at its assemly lines in China. I changed it against a Fox 40 performance, which works great!
All RockShox forks ship dry. Unless the damper leaks. They are all made on the street in tawain. For sure quality control issues more so than Fox. Jack hammer air spring is not for everyone. The rebound three clicks faster than you’re used to no tokens then it will feel terrible
Dude. My Christmas list is already getting out of hand ...
😝
Amazing vid again, but sus af, I really hope we are not witnessing some big finale hidden here 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤔😕 Like, you do a vid on all the shocks and forks then BAM, the channel ends.
try intend suspension
forks/selva-s???
35mm stanchions had to pass
I’m sorry but that red stem and handlebar combo is hideous 😂
Why you didnt like the new lyrik chassis?
The air spring is trash. Probably the bushings to tight
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