I don't like bringing up the 2021 season, but this is true. The current apex rules make sense only if the car that makes it to the apex first actually completes the corner within the white lines. Once it goes off (like in Interlagos you mentioned or recently Austin) the rule should be reversed (and enforced consistently).
@@Matthijs3476 Its been like that forever. Senna, Schumacher they all did this kind of stuff. We just hvnt had that many close championships in recent history. Hamilton Rosberg wasn't pretty. 2021 wasnt pretty. But those were the only 2 close ones.
I think the FIA's inconsistent rule enforcement allows for this kind of driving. Before any rule changes this needs to fixed first. I agree with Max's penalties but one has to question if he would be driving like this in the first place if the Stewards did their jobs right. I also bring into question Max's reasoning he gave in the interview. Where as his penalties were not his biggest concern. He basically said ignoring rules (because the FIA allows it) was not as important as his pace. Remember Miami when K-Mag was hauled into the office for his reasoning for bad driving and giving more penalties. Same should happen here. All this said it really is a problem with the FIA (not the drivers) by executing their responsibilities very poorly allowing drivers to "behave badly. The FIA needs to fix themselves first before any rule changes that need changing.
I agree with you, jos verstappen, Horner, Marko and the FIA have created this by pandering to him and they continue to try and find ways around the rules to enable his unruliness. Clearly we are at a crossroads, either rule application becomes consistent and he gets reined in at last or other drivers play by “max’s rules. The latter will most certainly end in disaster
This IMO really hurts his reputation and is why he'll never be a top 5 driver as we have many far too many examples of stewarding that benefitted him. How much closer would this years title be if he was penalized correctly? Would 2021 have gone down to the wire he was penalized properly in Brazil and Jeddah?
@@rafaelbalbijr.9674 you can argue if 2021 was governed correctly max could have won before any dhabi or atleast wouldn't have to finish first to win , it's very messed up and I say this as not a max fan
Max's aggressive driving is only towards his nearest title competitor which is Norris. The same thing happened to Lewis in 2021. The last 4 races and two sprint races will be very exciting now.
Yeah because Lewis was constantly loosing place at the start and have the same amount of wins as the 3rd fastest car despite having the fastest car for 2/3 of the season. No, Lewis and Max battle each other while being 40+ seconds ahead of everyone. That's called pace. Having 3 wins while in the fastest car, in a 24 race season AND gets compared to Max and Lewis is pure delusion.
@@sharlesleglerc Delusional is when you compare the dominance of RedBull and Mercedes in 2021 to McLaren in 2024. Sure they had outstanding races - maybe 3 of them? (Budapest, Zandvoort and Singapore) - but for the most part they didn't have the outright fastest dominant car. They never were as you put it "40+ seconds ahead of everyone".....
@@geee7689 Max isn't always 40+ seconds ahead of his team mate in the same car? You made my point, if Max was in the McLaren. You think anyone would be near him? Lando can't even pass his team mate without team orders. and he wants to be WDC?
The ahead at the apex standard is absolutely ridiculous. It's not even enforced consistently either. The intent at Austin last week and turn 8 this week was exactly the same, the move was performed the same way, by carrying more speed into the corner to be ahead at the apex therefore being unable to keep the car under control inside track limits on exit, but the difference is... the speed? I can't believe I'm seeing people defend the turn 4 move either. Lando was ahead all throughout, which was their excuse last time, and they still say that max can run him out completely? This level of fanatism is embarrassing to see.
so if Lando knows Max will do this why not double bluff and cut back inside like Lewis did today? Really Lando is a nice guy, fast but a bit naive and slow to learn.
@@mrmdmF1-gn2zswell this is like the first season he has to deal with something like this plus he is learning, whilst it is slowly he didn’t pussy out this time like in cota
@@mrmdmF1-gn2zs how many times did Hamilton try the cut back before Russell wasn't able to keep him behind? There's also the kind of important fact that once the outside turns into the inside, none of it matters anyways, as long as you drive the overtaking driver off the track or crash into them, which Russell didn't do to Hamilton. In fact, Hamilton's move worked because it wasn't against a driver who's better off if both of them dnf.
I dont think anyone can deny that max is unsafe to race wheel to wheel anymore he knows that if he crashes out with Lando he basically guarantees his fourth wdc
Not really as its point differential at this stage, not just raw points, if he just did that every race by your logic LeClerc just easily picks up the WDC. Hes fighting hard to not let Lando by. Over the limit at times for sure but idk, at the same time i cant imagine just yielding. Youre going to fight tooth and nail. He took the penalties so i dont see the issue.
I'm a fan of hard racing but there's hard racing, and there's what Max does. It is crazy that he has been getting away with this for so long. I think his calm reaction to the penalties shows that even he knew that he was out of order. Anyone who thinks what Max did yesterday's was fine is simply a Max Verstappen fan, not a true fan of racing.
So when Senna and Prost had their controversial incidents in 89 and 90,,, or Schumacher Damon Hill incident in what 94,, or what about the Schumacher Jacques Villeneuve incident of 97 was that not real racing…..I mean what does that even mean,, god I hate today’s F1 fan,,buncha hipster latte soy boys
@@Jrh-rp7np Yup, people get to invested in this stuff. I guess their own lives suck so they must live in the skin of a (semi) successful driver. Would also not be surprised if they are British. Lots of similar vibes with hamilton.
Drive through? It should be a stop and go no working on the car allowed after. If he wants to change tires he should do another lap and come back in. And yes this is harsh but when you're driving like this with the sole purpose of hoping for a crash because it keeps your championship lead then you should absolutely be hindered as much as possible from even scoring a point.
Not a Lando fan but what Max did was outrageous. Maybe Max forgets he's not driving a sim. He could literally kill someone. That second penalty should have been a DQ. He wasn't even pretending to make that turn, he just went all in to pushing Lando off track, taking himself with him. That is not racing.
Yes, the possible consequences of a situation line this is the worst thing about it. Imagine they make contact and we didn’t have all the amazing safety we have now. He is literally putting Norris life in danger with that move and he seems blinded by his ignorance of how safe f1 is. I don’t think any driver want to have a consequence like that hanging over them… They aren’t immortal.
If they black flag him they would make him a mártir, since he already has the WDC in the bag, they need to black flag him in an early season race, when the championship isn’t “ok the line”
should've been points deduction or just simply disqualify him from the championship, we need someone to push him into the barriers again like lewis did to him in 2021
@TeeRollss Mostly during starts, and team order scandal. But that was not deliberate running off opponents off the road like we have seen Max do. The worst one I recall is Rosberg on Hamilton.
Big difference between hard racing and what max did. Anyone saying it was fair racing has no regard for safety or respect. It seems like Max doesn't give a shit about anything anymore.
I feel like “ahead at the apex” should only get you the steward’s advantage if you keep it on track at the exit. Otherwise you were only ahead at the apex because you made no effort to actually make the corner on track. Taking the apex first and then going off track at the exit should be penalized as “leaving the track and gaining an advantage” more often, especially when there’s another car outside of you that can’t stay on track without being hit by you.
Max was on track on exit of 4 and was ahead at the apex…yet still got 10 sec penalty from JOHNNY HERBERT AND THE SON OF THE MCLAREN FOUNDER….2 of the 4 stewards at Mexico… BIAS MUCH
You're saying Lando needs to do what Carlos did on Max, but i'm going to address the elephant in the room here: Max did not defend against Carlos because it has nothing to do with the championship, and if he were to defend, Carlos probably wouldn't have gotten past. Typical Max wanting to defend his position will do it at all costs, taking the inside line so the other has to go around (which he did not do with Carlos), and then when they try to go around just run the car out wide and leave them no space, keeping his position. If Lando were to try this move, Max would crash into him, & both him and Lando would be out of the race, and Lando would have 1 less race to make up points on him (and Max yet another race closer to another title). Lando did what he needed to do today, and the penalties were justified. And about Carlos: sure, it was a good move, but if Max REALLY wanted to keep that p1, he would've. My guess is he didn't want to risk contact with Carlos to not waste any points vs Lando, which in the end he did by picking up a penalty, but that's not even fully his fault but the stewards by being so inconsistent and lax at times with their punishments for forcing others off and/or dirty tactics.
Carlos was going to get past. Carlos was the class of the field all weekend in Mexico. Carlos' pass was also just a surprise spur of the moment pass. If it was a more expected pass opportunity I do think there would have been a harder defense by Max. This said, yes I do think Max is using Lando rules when he's driving against the Papaya just like he was using Lewis rules when fighting Lewis several years ago.
@@TeeRollss Exactly. Don't get me wrong, i'm not discrediting Sainz's pass, it was a great move. But usually Max would take the inside to defend, and when they try to go around just leave them no space (which is perfectly fine if you follow the rulebook, now whether i agree with this and/or if it's sportsmanlike behaviour is something else), but in this occasion he didn't even change his line or anything, so he basically wasn't even defending and just letting Sainz go because it wasn't in his interest to keep fighting for p1 and let Lando get closer at that particular moment.
Think about it like this - If max had just drove clean he would have gotten P4 st the very best and Lando would have won the race easily that would be 13 points swing in Lando's favour but after whatever he did he ends up only loosing 10 points seems like it was a win for max in the end .
That's the whole point of why this behaviour needs to be stamped out. He has freely admitted to such things in the past and that's basically what he's thinking. Ruining Lando's race. In Brazil 2022 he said he didn't really care because it prevented Lewis from winning the race. Admitted what he did then and nobody batted an eyelid. He admitted his intention post race anyway, and yet nothing else but the penalty that occurred during the race happened.
the reason behind that ,his father pushed him to much in his youth,the poor guy had no childhood,if you evulate him with a psychiater,his licence would be withdrawn..
@@AlexAlex-rf8hm yeah as much as i want yuki in the main team it'll never happen so i hope liam can hold it together and maybe even be in the seat for next year
Max has such a lead that it feels like he’s just racing to ruin landos race. If they both crash he doesn’t care because he will still be ahead on points
if he do that he wil be disqualified with championship,schumacher did that 1997 guess what he was disqualified for championship,you cant play dirty tricks,in the end you wil loose..
This was very calculated in my opinion, the alternative if he gave the position up is that lando would’ve likely won the race, with max finishing in p4, (25 points norris vs 12 points max, =13 point gain for Norris) whereas by finishing 6th but holding lando up enough he made norris finish second (18 points Norris, vs 8 points max, = 10 point gain for lando) given lando needs something like 11.5 points per race or something. This is a net gain for max as lando only gained by 10 points. If he can do this when the car is awful, and then compete when the car is good (Austin) he will win the WDC. He knows exactly what he’s doing
@@abhiramabbineni7826 he thought he was gonna get 2x5 second penalties. The 2x10 was quite harsh. Should’ve been 1x10 and 1x5 at MOST. But this was calculated and planned, there was no other reason for max to dive bomb and not give the position back. He knew what he was doing
Senna : if you no longer go for the gap... HAM: if you no longer go for the gap... MAX: 🤷♀️ As long as the current rules allow it, I'll continue to do it. Is there a Solution?: FiA need to come up with better rules that does NOT enable: 1) turfing the outside car off the road 2) but does not penalize Ricardo-like-dive-bombing. But that is NOT easy to do when you have ground effect cars with shorter braking distances unlike the older years.
Logic goes out of the window when it comes to max fans. For them everyone should just let max be regardless of what he does on track and they'll still defend it no matter how ridiculous it gets
Carlos deserves a top team seat. Crazy stupid that Ferrari is letting him go. Dumb. Leclerc and Sainz are a series winning goldmine. I love Ferrari but it’s idiotic to give up one of the top 5 drivers for end of career Hamilton. IDIOTIC.
The inconsistency of the "rules" enforcement is what kills me. One set of stewards thinks the, dive bomb the corner to get ahead even though you know you will not make the corner, move is fine as long as you are ahead at the apex while other stewards deem it a penalty. Also, if they want to use the apex as a rule, they need to clearly define the apex and not have this as such a judgement call in my opinion. If you give Max a grey area to work in he is going to take full advantage of that weather it's right or wrong. Lewis figured that out in 21, as you mentioned in a pervious video, and gave Max a taste of his own medicine. Lando will need to do the same thing to take the fight to Max as long as Max has a somewhat competitive car. I also feel like Max has been driving like a wounded animal and that make him more "dangerous" on track.
its a mix between knowing the rule book and still having the stewards on your side, he brakes 50 meters late and sends both drivers off, that is the thing that should be penalized, i get the rules are stupid but he's ALSO breaking the rules and the stewards just let it fly, but finally someone gave him a penalty
Dude your logic is so cherrypicked here. He somehow has the stewards in his pocket but then they give him a 20 second penalty? Which one is it? Lol. Ffs, hes racing hard and yes at times over the limit. The stewards penalize him when its clearly over the limit, which is the entire point. Hes going to push that boundary, hes obviously not going to just let Lando pass him every week.
@@MM-qm9ld I know 20s was a lot, but in my opinion that was a black flag simply for turn 8 idc. Max has been doing this ever since he joined the sport and never has he been penalized for his stupid moves, giving him a 20s penalty isn’t gonna make up for all the years of him freely running people over and sending ppl off track, this guy is crazy and should be banned
@@MM-qm9ldyou people are funny, he did this for years without getting enough penalties. Yes, only now, he is getting punished because everyone can see like in last week austin race about the double standard, with other drivers being sanctioned and not him.
@@MM-qm9ldwell the FIA consistency was shit, that just incentives Max to do this sort of dirty moves. What I think was the tipping point was that he did nothing of this to Carlos but then went crazy on Lando highlighting it's very much intentional and not a mistake.
There used to be a rule that either driver must leave a car width on the track when overtaking or being overtaken in all reasonable circumstances 🤷♂️ ... this promoted some intense battles that lasted for near whole races . To reinstate would be a good idea I think , it would also stop the dangerous moves being made into the braking zones . Honestly I'm surprised there hasn't been more accidents .
With Kimi and Vettel and FiA turned a blind eye when they irritated and complained continuously..Even Daniel and Lewis in Brazil.All these antics went unabated and believed that what he is doing is right
Lol, Ocon even runs off his own Team mate! Kevin isn't dangerous, Hamilton even defended him. Max... Let's just say he wont drive into his teammate... Yet.
Because the idea is not to throw caution to the wind and possibly kill the opponent just because you are an old infant who can't keep your ego in check. Of cause he did not complain because he knew he was reckless. The only way to control this is F1 rules should deduct 10 points from drivers existing total + no points for the race even if they win, for dangerous and reckless diving , and after 30 points are deducted you are banned for the rest of the season
I disagree with your point that max lost points to lando with his pentalties. with landos pace on the hards, he could have won the race if he wasnt held up by max this much. which would have made max lose more points to lando than now even if max would have gotten 4th.
Max is doing anything and everything to block Lando. Whether it’s legal or illegal, he is happy to concede the penalty. His lack of response to the penalties was very calm. He knew what he was doing and that he would get the penalties!
Yeah, and? Its a veteran move lol. The most dominant champions are always the most ruthless and looking out only for themselves. Its so weird to see fans of this sport not comprehend a driver doing whatever it takes to win. The history of the sport, in the closest title fights, is FULL of controversy and racers going way over the line. Welcome to F1 kid.
@@MM-qm9ldit's just society in general they don't seem to understand that Verstappen does not care about being the bad guy and will do whatever it takes to win they act like this is shocking 😂😂😂. They be like he the only one that does it well yeah and that's why he be the champ and there favorite driver won't it's as simple as that.
In Lando’s penalty the FIA stated that it could have been 10 seconds but they dialed it back to five because Verstappen also went off and Lando would have made the corner.
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@@JDT2309 Yeah, because when Verstappen went off with him Lando couldn't make corner stick. But this time i think Max went to far and they saw it. Also, they had pre-race talk about the rules of racing and maybe that is one of the reasons for 2 time 10 seconds
Lando got punished for max mistake last race, max forced him off the road deliberately yet lando got the penalty, the FIA know they fucked that one up so they overcompensated with verstappen penalty this race, they should just admit they were wrong and give norris his 5 seconds back , then they should be disbanded.
This 'first at the apex controls the exit' is pure BS. Telemetry will show where the normal braking happens for each driver on a normal racing lap. Verstappen keeps waiting until next Thursday to brake, grabs the apex, and then never makes the friggin' corner. Amateur Hour. That's the move of a bloody iRacing noob using a gamepad. You all know That Guy. Well, IRL, Max is F1's That Guy. It's about time the FIA did something about That Guy, toot-de-sweet.
About the first penalty, in Texas Russel did the same thing overtaking Bottas and got away with a 5 second penalty, for the same manouver Verstappen in Mexico got 10 second penalty while in the end he did NOT even overtake Norris, so it's clear that they want to punish Verstappen in a different way in comparison to other drivers
Is Mad Max dangerous: absolutely! He always has been, all the way back against Dani and Charles. Only time he hasn't was when he was winning races easily. Will he learn from these penalties? We can only hope. Will the stewards continue to punish him? We can only hope.
The second time should be a drivethorough penalty. You should not be able to mess with another drivers race like that. Max with that move prevented Lando winning the race basically. This was a calculated move at the end. Max lost less points because of the turn 8 move.
Refreshing how nothing really changes; Senna got the same complaints, Schumacher got them, and even Hamilton got his share. The biggest rigs catch the most flies, it seems.
Lewis got into tangles with a lot of guys, but I don't think Lewis drives dangerously. This is coming from about an anti-Lewis guy as there is. I think Lewis gets a bit clumsy in defense but I don't think that he goes into the battles thinking I'm going to do this guy dirty.
As a Max fan, he should’ve been given penalty points or black flag for this moves or else he will be doing it again, you can’t just give Max 20 second penalty and don’t expect it to happen again
next race if he do the same shit he wil be DSQ from championship,you can count on that,schumacher did the same 1997 and he was DSQ from championship,in 1994 he also did it with damon hill australia,he got away with it but 1997 he got what he deserved..next is max I guess..
@@rembrandrembrand Stewards should’ve given Max penalty every time he or any other driver carry out these kind of moves but as we saw in Austin they are not that consistent track to track
@@Redlingstein I am but not a blind one like you, any driver you like you don’t have to support their each and every action, they aren’t your godfathers they are just your favourite drivers that’s it
Lando after 5 sec penalty in Austin: "No, it's just unfair. I’m leading, he wants to pass, he pushes me, I push him back, and then after he pushes me off the track. It's not fair" Max after 20 sec penalty in Mexico: "Nothing, it was just an inchident in the race"
A driver who knows how to exploit the rules in his favor, is always more prone to breaking them. Senna, Schumacher and Max are good examples of this. While this kind of driving makes champions, it's still dirty. Nice guys finish last for a reason.
Verstappen is, without doubt, the most dangerous driver on the track, one day he'll end up getting someone either seriously injured or even worse someone killed, he seriously needs reigning in, if the existing stewards cannot control him then replace them, I'd like to see Red Bull out of F1 they themselves encourage such driving styles as Verstappen uses, F1 would be better off without both of them.
Yep! And that Christian horny's shitty presentation of lando's throttle at both incidents was such a cheap tactic. He could probably show us Max's telemetry data while trying to force others off-track or in a concrete wall.
3:13 i think that's briliant from lando, slowing just enough to put max in a very bad position while still "giving" his position back and ended up forcing max into a massive penalty
For any time penalty to be effective, it has to be served independently and cannot be cumulated into a single serving. I would suggest the following ; Any time penalty has to be served within 3 laps of the decision ( Passing the start / finish line 3 times ). Failure to do so is an automatic 20 second time penalty to be served within the following 3 laps. Further failure to serve the time penaty is an automatic and outright disqualification and 3 points on the licence. Any time penalty awarded in the last 3 laps is a driver choice between 2 licence points or automatic Q1 elimination in the next race. Any unserved time penalties in the last 3 laps on the last race in the season is an automatic 2 points ( per offence ) on the licence.
You're all looking at this from the wrong lens. VER driving was a damage limitation "professional foul". It was a masterclass of slowing down your rival by all means without being reckless. If he did nothing, NOR easily could have had P1 seeing how much improved the MCL was on the hard tires. NOR P1 / VER P4 25-12= 13 pts NOR P2 / VER P6 18-8= 10 pts (fortune smiles unexpectedly) NOR P3 / VER P6 15-8= 7 pts This was the race PIA inconsistent qualifying hurt the team and wasn't in position to defend like PER in '21 and really smack the pain on VER with a bigger point loss.
I normally don't disagree with F1Unchained, but I have to on the subject of Max being "dangerous." Here is the solutions to all the problems, no more FIA rules to interpret. Simply paint lines on the track that show the average "preferred" driving line and average apex of every corner. If the driver leading or passing occurs a track penalty from defending or passing another driver then you have solid evidence for a penalty. I'm so sick of hearing about getting pushed off the track. There are yellow lines painted on the start grid for the front tire, it's simple and effective. Many will disagree, but when these drivers act like children with their feelings, then give them simple rules to follow.
The first at the apex should be nullified if any of the wheels of the car goes outside the track after the corner, not just all wheels, any wheel. That should at least limit the divebombing.
G@F1Unchained got to disagree, Norris braked so early it was dangerous. I thought he was slowing to let max past from the live footage abd max had to swerve to avoid him
Max is only considered dangerous because he isn’t British! Remember, back in the day when Prost and Senna were racing for McLaren: Prost deliberately crashed into Senna to win the championship, and the next year, Senna did the same and also won! McLaren never complained about it and didn’t deny the title because they were the ones winning! So it’s not really about the moves on the track; it’s about who is making them! Norris moved aggressively under braking in Austin, and no one mentioned how dangerous that was!
First FIA needs to explain why 10 sec penalty, previous race for same things it was 5 sec penalty. What is criteria for 5 and what for 10 sec. For me then Perez it should get 10 as well, he even made a damage to both cars. Also then lando should get 10 sec previous race and finish behind Oscar. So question for you guys, what do you think? Did FIA wants drama in driver championship or what do you think about all of this?
First off, max deserved a penalty. The problem however is the inconsistency in how rules are enforced by the stewards. George had a similar move last week and got 5 seconds. Norris had the overtaking off the track and got 5 seconds. Max somehow got 2x10 seconds instead of 2x5 seconds? For all the people in the comments blaming every coming together on Max in 2021 isn't really fair either. In that season there was also a lot of inconsistency of applying the rules. The rules should be clear for everyone, fair, and applied consistently on all drivers. No matter where they are in the field or on the standings.
The issue here is the points buffer max has. He can afford to hit lando, because if they both get dnf, its an advantage to his WC. He gave up on Constructor Championship, so lando has to thread the needle and avoid crashes at all time. The solution is a different kind of penalties. Championship points. My take was exchange points in case of guilty. (So a guilty driver would current race.l position points to aggressed.
The move Carlos did on Max was great but Max's defending against Lando is a lot more aggressive than against Carlos because they are battling for the championship.
I agree with every point you made except one: Despite the penalties one could make the argument that it still worked out for Max. Keep in mind that if Lando had stayed in 2nd position just behind Carlos, there would have been a pretty good chance he ends up winning the race. The maximum Max could have achieved without penalties would have been P4 as the Ferraris were clearly much quicker. If Lando comes in P1 and Max P4, then Lando takes off 13 points differential. This way it was "just" 10. But it is good to see that Max got penalties for his driving style at last. This is unacceptable.
Max has pretty much gone back to Mad Max from 2021 his racing was absolutely awful today he didn’t need to drive like that considering he’s miles ahead we need a look into the driving standards rules in Brazil before Qatar Gp as it’s getting quite ridiculous this happening to often
He’s been doing like this since he’s got the Red Bull seat in 2016 except it’s tone down when between 2016-2018 he was an absolute wildcard where he was one tangle away from ruining his own race and while there’s no denying how incredibly talented Max is.. His ultra competitive and fearless “do or die” mentality is what got him 3 titles but this season it’s also becoming his own worst enemy. His drives at Austin and Mexico earlier at Austria were not great looks for him
Which F1 is this? 😂😂... Old F1 had hard racing with unsafe race track designs.. Not dangerous driving.. And yes, they frowned upon dangerous driving back then
@@hamza12ism if you ever watched that F1, you know there was hard racing and not dangerous driving except for the occasions MSC would drive into people in attempt to win the WDC... Plus that F1 had very little overtakes, if any. If we had DRS back then, it would have made racing even better...
@@KailamiMwiingaBoth of you are wrong. F1 was cleaner and more entertaining back then, and DRS would ruin the entire point of hard racing. Take Hakkinen or Alonso, Button. They were very clean drivers and delivered quite the spectacle back in the day. Also, safety was pretty much the same as it is now, with the exception of the halo, which is just unnecessary weight. Right now, all I'm seeing is big, bulky, chunky cars trying to find ways to pass around a corner, a difficult feat for most drivers to perform. However, when we had smaller, more agile cars, everything was much more fluid. It's time we ditch the hybrids. Bring back the v10s, remove the halo. Plus, races don't need many overtakes to make them interesting, just nice, clean racing, smart defending, and wheel-to-wheel battles. It would make things much more memorable than simply watching cars overtake on the straight.
I’m happy the cars are more competitive so we’re seeing max in his true form more often. When it was just him vs Lewis, it turned into a battle between their fan bases. But now that we’re seeing the exact same thing with other drivers, Max fans can’t just say “Lewis does that every time”. It is in fact max who is just dangerous. He goes into every scrap with the mindset of “either you’re going to yield or we both crash”.
Being a Sir Lewis fan, I've got to say Max was super smart for what he did ...if he'd let Lando by then Lando would've chased down Carlos and won the race and he(Max) knew he didn't have the pace of the McLaren nor the Ferrari's then he would've finished fourth lose another three points in the process ...so I'd say that was smart from his side
Wait until Carlos and Oscar punt Max out of spite a couple times and he loses his WDC lead. The tears are something I look forward to. Max left the track and kept an advantage in Austin. It’s a penalty. Here endeth the debate.
He has been like that since the beginning only in the last two years when he had the fastest car he felt like mature but when the car is slow again he shows his real style. Remember 2021 season when he destroyed Lewis’s year with the same driving style (shortcutting, push outside, waving in the straights)
7:05 everyone watching F1 from 2016 knows that if you know if you are going outside of Max to overtake you better get way ahead of him before the corner or else your car won't be in tracks or you will be crashed out. Max will always be in the limits of the rules and regulations... Some or most of it doesn't seem fair but it is what it is he is Max and he will always bw in the limits
Totally agree with everything that was said here, as much as I respect max, that was just dangerous. I'm also delighted for carlos, that was a great drive and a very deserved win
What is dangerous is trying to twist a legal defense tack tick into something that has been used, since F1 started, into dangerous driving!!! Knowing exactly how Max would legally defend his position, in that situation, why did Lando deliberately try to overtake Max on the outside multiple times?
some people compare with ayrton Senna,but he cant come close to Senna,that guy could win races with under powered engine's like 1993 ford v7 and schumacher blocked him having v8 and he won 5 race's and everyone lapping in donnigton except damon hill :)))
They should look at who is ahead at thestariting of the braking zone in the middle of it on the apex and in the exit and than you see who was actualy ahead who push of who and who gained the advatage but if you pauh someone of and don't make the corner it should me an automatic 10sec penalty or even drive through
The T8 move was clear cut penalty, i'm not sure about the T4 one, but maybe i havent seen enough replays and such, still 10 seconds on that one is very harsh imo. Also, i dont really mind battles like this, like finally we get some fun on the track! And sure Lando is complaining, and although he does kinda have a right too. Lando is now learning that drivers arent going to play it nice if its a fight for the title, so what it comes down to now is if Lando will sink or swim
Max's second penalty should have been a drive trough or a stop and go. The 20s penalty while it ruined Max's race didn't address the motive behind them, which was to have Norris lose time by being stuck behind him and make the comeback to the Ferraris harder, which succeeded. Norris could have a likely win here if it wasn't for Max's moves. He didn't actually care about any of the penalties and clearly said it himself, he actually joked about it being worth it because Norris didn't win.
Even in the last race if you watch the pass, he released the brake just make him self ahead even knowing he wouldn’t make the corner. This tactic was used by him all the time since Ham was racing him. Just go back,i thing he has being given many easy passes by FIA, now its about time
I honestly think there are too many gray areas in the rules that need to be stomped out. It should either be it is or it isnt. No in between becasue we get into situations like this over and over again in an endless loop
I hate that Sainz had to cry when Charls was gaining on him over the radio you can say that guy dominated anyone if he was crying about the pace being to fast and Leclerk catching him up that what it ruined the win for me
To anyone calling Max's driving yesterday "racing", you ought to think about changing your sport to demolition-derby! Because that's where Max should be driving! Lewis Hamilton has been telling for YEARS how dangerous the is, but was criticized for it or just ignored! Why or what makes yesterday's behavior any different to that of the 2021 season? Yesterday, he got 20 sec penalty, while in 2021, the EXACT SAME driving style went without consequences!
To be honest I feel they didn't always penalize the move but the driver. The 1st move would not have been penalized last race and it it did it would be a 5 second penalty. The penalty of second move was obvious and well deserved. But it does feel like the tried to compensate in stead of objectively judging
You said that if Verstappen didn't do what he did he would have lost out less, however if he didn't Norris would've had a good shot at the win. So a probable P1 NOR and P4 (or even still p6) VER would've been a bigger points swing
I think Lando was giving the place back when VER made that absurd inside move. Lando looked like he was a car width or more off the apex for VER to slip by, but no VER is going back to driving as he did in his rookie year.
I don't agree that max would have lost a lot less points just letting Lando go. I think Lando would have been fighting Carlos for the win by the end if he lets Lando go right there at the beginning and max would have finished 4th at best. May have even got caught by the mercs being that he was being run down by a haas towards the end. I think max knew exactly what he was doing and his entire goal was keeping lando from scoring maximum points.
Well, Max doesn't defend when Carlos tries to overtake but defends like a desperate F1 lobby driver when Lando tries to overtake so ... Yeah if Lando did a divebomb like Carlos, he would have ended up in the back of Max's car or on the grass.
F1 has had 3+ years to sort this out. Brazil 21 is where they should have said enough with this
Verstappen is turning into Schumacher.th-cam.com/video/6AzpYilkKrA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=42ujVxdHcBxaO-Is
He got 20 seconds and he desreved it.
He's been like this ever since he entered the sport
I don't like bringing up the 2021 season, but this is true. The current apex rules make sense only if the car that makes it to the apex first actually completes the corner within the white lines. Once it goes off (like in Interlagos you mentioned or recently Austin) the rule should be reversed (and enforced consistently).
@@Matthijs3476 Its been like that forever. Senna, Schumacher they all did this kind of stuff.
We just hvnt had that many close championships in recent history.
Hamilton Rosberg wasn't pretty.
2021 wasnt pretty.
But those were the only 2 close ones.
@@aidanya1336 2010, 2012 wasnt close? 😳
I think the FIA's inconsistent rule enforcement allows for this kind of driving. Before any rule changes this needs to fixed first. I agree with Max's penalties but one has to question if he would be driving like this in the first place if the Stewards did their jobs right. I also bring into question Max's reasoning he gave in the interview. Where as his penalties were not his biggest concern. He basically said ignoring rules (because the FIA allows it) was not as important as his pace. Remember Miami when K-Mag was hauled into the office for his reasoning for bad driving and giving more penalties. Same should happen here. All this said it really is a problem with the FIA (not the drivers) by executing their responsibilities very poorly allowing drivers to "behave badly. The FIA needs to fix themselves first before any rule changes that need changing.
Very true my friend
I agree with you, jos verstappen, Horner, Marko and the FIA have created this by pandering to him and they continue to try and find ways around the rules to enable his unruliness. Clearly we are at a crossroads, either rule application becomes consistent and he gets reined in at last or other drivers play by “max’s rules. The latter will most certainly end in disaster
This IMO really hurts his reputation and is why he'll never be a top 5 driver as we have many far too many examples of stewarding that benefitted him. How much closer would this years title be if he was penalized correctly? Would 2021 have gone down to the wire he was penalized properly in Brazil and Jeddah?
@@rafaelbalbijr.9674 you can argue if 2021 was governed correctly max could have won before any dhabi or atleast wouldn't have to finish first to win , it's very messed up and I say this as not a max fan
If Max deserves the 20s, Lawson deserves 40 then
Max's aggressive driving is only towards his nearest title competitor which is Norris. The same thing happened to Lewis in 2021. The last 4 races and two sprint races will be very exciting now.
So What you mean is if it is between championship contender,the fia can just leave it?Wth mate.
@@gaming5971 That's what DTS and Liberty Media turned the sport into unfortunately
Yeah because Lewis was constantly loosing place at the start and have the same amount of wins as the 3rd fastest car despite having the fastest car for 2/3 of the season.
No, Lewis and Max battle each other while being 40+ seconds ahead of everyone. That's called pace.
Having 3 wins while in the fastest car, in a 24 race season AND gets compared to Max and Lewis is pure delusion.
@@sharlesleglerc Delusional is when you compare the dominance of RedBull and Mercedes in 2021 to McLaren in 2024.
Sure they had outstanding races - maybe 3 of them? (Budapest, Zandvoort and Singapore) - but for the most part they didn't have the outright fastest dominant car. They never were as you put it "40+ seconds ahead of everyone".....
@@geee7689 Max isn't always 40+ seconds ahead of his team mate in the same car?
You made my point, if Max was in the McLaren. You think anyone would be near him? Lando can't even pass his team mate without team orders. and he wants to be WDC?
The ahead at the apex standard is absolutely ridiculous. It's not even enforced consistently either. The intent at Austin last week and turn 8 this week was exactly the same, the move was performed the same way, by carrying more speed into the corner to be ahead at the apex therefore being unable to keep the car under control inside track limits on exit, but the difference is... the speed?
I can't believe I'm seeing people defend the turn 4 move either. Lando was ahead all throughout, which was their excuse last time, and they still say that max can run him out completely?
This level of fanatism is embarrassing to see.
so if Lando knows Max will do this why not double bluff and cut back inside like Lewis did today? Really Lando is a nice guy, fast but a bit naive and slow to learn.
@@mrmdmF1-gn2zswell this is like the first season he has to deal with something like this plus he is learning, whilst it is slowly he didn’t pussy out this time like in cota
@@mrmdmF1-gn2zs how many times did Hamilton try the cut back before Russell wasn't able to keep him behind?
There's also the kind of important fact that once the outside turns into the inside, none of it matters anyways, as long as you drive the overtaking driver off the track or crash into them, which Russell didn't do to Hamilton.
In fact, Hamilton's move worked because it wasn't against a driver who's better off if both of them dnf.
Bro let it go, half the fanbase of Max doesn't know the sport. They joined after watching Netflix. Half knowledge is always dangerous.
@@IhnalakoKainayeah so did he push Russel out of the track or try to hit him? Bro learn the sport 1st!
For real, I’m all about fighting while racing but he is very dangerous on track, it’s crazy.
the move going into the s's was
@@F1Unchained duuuuudeeee for real! I was thinking no way he just did that.
@@F1Unchainedmove into t4 was questionable with room given but eh max is max
@@SMNRacerthat was on limit but ok. That o e where he forced both out is really optimistic. Unnecesary
That’s why he’s a 3x world champ
I dont think anyone can deny that max is unsafe to race wheel to wheel anymore he knows that if he crashes out with Lando he basically guarantees his fourth wdc
Not really as its point differential at this stage, not just raw points, if he just did that every race by your logic LeClerc just easily picks up the WDC. Hes fighting hard to not let Lando by. Over the limit at times for sure but idk, at the same time i cant imagine just yielding. Youre going to fight tooth and nail. He took the penalties so i dont see the issue.
I deny! I onow for fact that Lando divebombed multiple times this year. He is recklesssss! Also Brits cry a lot because they are all girls
Senna did the same, schumacher.. could keep going. Lando doesnt do that cuz he isnt world champion material 😂
@@Zzzleeponem Mate Max races like a big baby right now. That's not mature. Even if he wins WC I have no respect for him.
@@dhaloh THat is your problem, not his. He will still be walking away with the WC not giving a shit what u think.
I'm a fan of hard racing but there's hard racing, and there's what Max does. It is crazy that he has been getting away with this for so long. I think his calm reaction to the penalties shows that even he knew that he was out of order. Anyone who thinks what Max did yesterday's was fine is simply a Max Verstappen fan, not a true fan of racing.
So when Senna and Prost had their controversial incidents in 89 and 90,,, or Schumacher Damon Hill incident in what 94,, or what about the Schumacher Jacques Villeneuve incident of 97 was that not real racing…..I mean what does that even mean,, god I hate today’s F1 fan,,buncha hipster latte soy boys
@@Jrh-rp7np exactly
@@Jrh-rp7np I bet if the roles were reversed between max and lando no1 would cry this hard.
@@aidanya1336 I seen someone saying they should Silverstone 2021 Max..
@@Jrh-rp7np Yup, people get to invested in this stuff. I guess their own lives suck so they must live in the skin of a (semi) successful driver. Would also not be surprised if they are British. Lots of similar vibes with hamilton.
They need to bring back DT penalties
Drive through? It should be a stop and go no working on the car allowed after. If he wants to change tires he should do another lap and come back in. And yes this is harsh but when you're driving like this with the sole purpose of hoping for a crash because it keeps your championship lead then you should absolutely be hindered as much as possible from even scoring a point.
20 seconds is basicaly a DT
Not a Lando fan but what Max did was outrageous. Maybe Max forgets he's not driving a sim. He could literally kill someone. That second penalty should have been a DQ. He wasn't even pretending to make that turn, he just went all in to pushing Lando off track, taking himself with him. That is not racing.
Yes, the possible consequences of a situation line this is the worst thing about it.
Imagine they make contact and we didn’t have all the amazing safety we have now. He is literally putting Norris life in danger with that move and he seems blinded by his ignorance of how safe f1 is.
I don’t think any driver want to have a consequence like that hanging over them… They aren’t immortal.
I agree. At least a drive through and 10 place grip penalty for the next race.
If they black flag him they would make him a mártir, since he already has the WDC in the bag, they need to black flag him in an early season race, when the championship isn’t “ok the line”
should've been points deduction or just simply disqualify him from the championship, we need someone to push him into the barriers again like lewis did to him in 2021
Agreed. That should have been a black flag. Dangerous attempted crash imo
Hamilton, Vettel and many others have been saying it for years!
Vettel was one of the worst offenders.
@TeeRollss Mostly during starts, and team order scandal. But that was not deliberate running off opponents off the road like we have seen Max do. The worst one I recall is Rosberg on Hamilton.
@@thabzmad7265 👍
Seb and LH are the ones who crashed ppl off way too often themselves. And you believe those hypocrites 😂😂😂😂
Big difference between hard racing and what max did. Anyone saying it was fair racing has no regard for safety or respect. It seems like Max doesn't give a shit about anything anymore.
Agreed. He is beyond arrogant
Funny how his fans glorify this behaviour. But had it been anyone else all of Max’s fans would cause a world war 🤣🤣
@@Bananananananannananananna exactly
@@Bananananananannanananannawell it shows when they mention lewis. The only crash they seem to remember is silverstone.
If that move was done back in the 70’s it would instantly be a black flag. Simply dangerous. No care for consequences, at all.
I feel like “ahead at the apex” should only get you the steward’s advantage if you keep it on track at the exit. Otherwise you were only ahead at the apex because you made no effort to actually make the corner on track.
Taking the apex first and then going off track at the exit should be penalized as “leaving the track and gaining an advantage” more often, especially when there’s another car outside of you that can’t stay on track without being hit by you.
FIA needs to read this comment,and change the rule exactly how you said it👍👍🤝🙏👏👏
This is the exact logic I was expecting in Austin 🎉
Max was on track on exit of 4 and was ahead at the apex…yet still got 10 sec penalty from JOHNNY HERBERT AND THE SON OF THE MCLAREN FOUNDER….2 of the 4 stewards at Mexico… BIAS MUCH
You're saying Lando needs to do what Carlos did on Max, but i'm going to address the elephant in the room here: Max did not defend against Carlos because it has nothing to do with the championship, and if he were to defend, Carlos probably wouldn't have gotten past. Typical Max wanting to defend his position will do it at all costs, taking the inside line so the other has to go around (which he did not do with Carlos), and then when they try to go around just run the car out wide and leave them no space, keeping his position. If Lando were to try this move, Max would crash into him, & both him and Lando would be out of the race, and Lando would have 1 less race to make up points on him (and Max yet another race closer to another title). Lando did what he needed to do today, and the penalties were justified. And about Carlos: sure, it was a good move, but if Max REALLY wanted to keep that p1, he would've. My guess is he didn't want to risk contact with Carlos to not waste any points vs Lando, which in the end he did by picking up a penalty, but that's not even fully his fault but the stewards by being so inconsistent and lax at times with their punishments for forcing others off and/or dirty tactics.
Good point.
Carlos was going to get past. Carlos was the class of the field all weekend in Mexico. Carlos' pass was also just a surprise spur of the moment pass. If it was a more expected pass opportunity I do think there would have been a harder defense by Max.
This said, yes I do think Max is using Lando rules when he's driving against the Papaya just like he was using Lewis rules when fighting Lewis several years ago.
@@TeeRollss Exactly. Don't get me wrong, i'm not discrediting Sainz's pass, it was a great move. But usually Max would take the inside to defend, and when they try to go around just leave them no space (which is perfectly fine if you follow the rulebook, now whether i agree with this and/or if it's sportsmanlike behaviour is something else), but in this occasion he didn't even change his line or anything, so he basically wasn't even defending and just letting Sainz go because it wasn't in his interest to keep fighting for p1 and let Lando get closer at that particular moment.
@@Haltzo 👍
Think about it like this - If max had just drove clean he would have gotten P4 st the very best and Lando would have won the race easily that would be 13 points swing in Lando's favour but after whatever he did he ends up only loosing 10 points seems like it was a win for max in the end .
Interesting point, there are a lot of ifs
That's the whole point of why this behaviour needs to be stamped out. He has freely admitted to such things in the past and that's basically what he's thinking. Ruining Lando's race.
In Brazil 2022 he said he didn't really care because it prevented Lewis from winning the race. Admitted what he did then and nobody batted an eyelid. He admitted his intention post race anyway, and yet nothing else but the penalty that occurred during the race happened.
next time he wil get DSQ and then zero point to him
@@TorqueFormulaWon he also did the same in belgium,guess what dutch fans applause him,to taking lewis out of the track
@@rembrandrembrand even better Lando norris gets dsq and then cry because he can't be a world champion this season
"Is Max Verstappen a dangerous driver?"
*Always has been.*
the reason behind that ,his father pushed him to much in his youth,the poor guy had no childhood,if you evulate him with a psychiater,his licence would be withdrawn..
“Is F1 dangerous?”
Always have been
Go watch cartoon network if you think scary driving scares you.
@@rembrandrembrand 😂 Indeed!
Are you jealous of Max? Yes you always have been 😂
2023 the record breaking season 💪💪💪💪💪
@@Redlingstein Nah mate we can't be jealous of any f1 driver. It's just he's spoiling the grid.
i really hope liam gets a fulltime seat. this race proved how strong he is (as if that wasnt proven already)
Absolutely I love him so much
Perez calling him idiot twice is a sign that Liam is in his head. It’s gonna be poetic when he is sacked for Liam
Liam is as desperate as Yuki. With the attitude while passing Perez, he’s not going to be liked by many
@@AlexAlex-rf8hm yeah as much as i want yuki in the main team it'll never happen so i hope liam can hold it together and maybe even be in the seat for next year
Liam is a Verstappen in the making, for the good and the bad! 😅😂
Max has such a lead that it feels like he’s just racing to ruin landos race. If they both crash he doesn’t care because he will still be ahead on points
New netflix series here. No drive to survive... it's drive to crash n°2
Sounds like max 2021
if he do that he wil be disqualified with championship,schumacher did that 1997 guess what he was disqualified for championship,you cant play dirty tricks,in the end you wil loose..
@@rembrandrembrand thought so. and with it lead to Lando taking a huge chunk out of him in the WDC
This was very calculated in my opinion, the alternative if he gave the position up is that lando would’ve likely won the race, with max finishing in p4, (25 points norris vs 12 points max, =13 point gain for Norris) whereas by finishing 6th but holding lando up enough he made norris finish second (18 points Norris, vs 8 points max, = 10 point gain for lando) given lando needs something like 11.5 points per race or something. This is a net gain for max as lando only gained by 10 points. If he can do this when the car is awful, and then compete when the car is good (Austin) he will win the WDC. He knows exactly what he’s doing
Max didnt expect the second penalty
@@abhiramabbineni7826 he thought he was gonna get 2x5 second penalties. The 2x10 was quite harsh. Should’ve been 1x10 and 1x5 at MOST. But this was calculated and planned, there was no other reason for max to dive bomb and not give the position back. He knew what he was doing
@@sammoore3687 He should have got a DQ for trying to crash intentionally.
Senna : if you no longer go for the gap...
HAM: if you no longer go for the gap...
MAX: 🤷♀️ As long as the current rules allow it, I'll continue to do it.
Is there a Solution?: FiA need to come up with better rules that does NOT enable:
1) turfing the outside car off the road
2) but does not penalize Ricardo-like-dive-bombing.
But that is NOT easy to do when you have ground effect cars with shorter braking distances unlike the older years.
cry kid
bro is so reckless. why is he even allowed to race?
Im glad you are agreeing. Someone just needs to knock this logic into the brains of Max’s fanbase.
😂 best of luck on trying that. When you learn from Netflix you are top of the chart. U cant win! Hands down.
Yet he has 60 wins, how many Lando has
@@arupdas615I wonder if he watched during McLaren-Honda-Alonso days
Logic goes out of the window when it comes to max fans. For them everyone should just let max be regardless of what he does on track and they'll still defend it no matter how ridiculous it gets
keep crying kid
Carlos is a true gentleman
love that guy
@@F1Unchained yes me too. Maybe I'm biased bc he's Latino like me. 🇩🇴🤣
Carlos deserves a top team seat. Crazy stupid that Ferrari is letting him go. Dumb. Leclerc and Sainz are a series winning goldmine. I love Ferrari but it’s idiotic to give up one of the top 5 drivers for end of career Hamilton. IDIOTIC.
The inconsistency of the "rules" enforcement is what kills me. One set of stewards thinks the, dive bomb the corner to get ahead even though you know you will not make the corner, move is fine as long as you are ahead at the apex while other stewards deem it a penalty. Also, if they want to use the apex as a rule, they need to clearly define the apex and not have this as such a judgement call in my opinion.
If you give Max a grey area to work in he is going to take full advantage of that weather it's right or wrong. Lewis figured that out in 21, as you mentioned in a pervious video, and gave Max a taste of his own medicine. Lando will need to do the same thing to take the fight to Max as long as Max has a somewhat competitive car. I also feel like Max has been driving like a wounded animal and that make him more "dangerous" on track.
its a mix between knowing the rule book and still having the stewards on your side, he brakes 50 meters late and sends both drivers off, that is the thing that should be penalized, i get the rules are stupid but he's ALSO breaking the rules and the stewards just let it fly, but finally someone gave him a penalty
Dude your logic is so cherrypicked here. He somehow has the stewards in his pocket but then they give him a 20 second penalty? Which one is it? Lol.
Ffs, hes racing hard and yes at times over the limit. The stewards penalize him when its clearly over the limit, which is the entire point. Hes going to push that boundary, hes obviously not going to just let Lando pass him every week.
@@MM-qm9ld I know 20s was a lot, but in my opinion that was a black flag simply for turn 8 idc. Max has been doing this ever since he joined the sport and never has he been penalized for his stupid moves, giving him a 20s penalty isn’t gonna make up for all the years of him freely running people over and sending ppl off track, this guy is crazy and should be banned
@@mekieosuVery well said! I agree.
@@MM-qm9ldyou people are funny, he did this for years without getting enough penalties. Yes, only now, he is getting punished because everyone can see like in last week austin race about the double standard, with other drivers being sanctioned and not him.
@@MM-qm9ldwell the FIA consistency was shit, that just incentives Max to do this sort of dirty moves. What I think was the tipping point was that he did nothing of this to Carlos but then went crazy on Lando highlighting it's very much intentional and not a mistake.
There used to be a rule that either driver must leave a car width on the track when overtaking or being overtaken in all reasonable circumstances 🤷♂️ ... this promoted some intense battles that lasted for near whole races . To reinstate would be a good idea I think , it would also stop the dangerous moves being made into the braking zones . Honestly I'm surprised there hasn't been more accidents .
The answer has been resounding yes, way back since he first joined F1. Even Kimi, the Iceman himself was livid by Max's antics. Nuff said
With Kimi and Vettel and FiA turned a blind eye when they irritated and complained continuously..Even Daniel and Lewis in Brazil.All these antics went unabated and believed that what he is doing is right
Most dangerous drivers on track.
1. Max
2. Kevin
3. Ocon
Yepp and his peers knows to fear him which is very good for him 😎
you forgot Stroll...
Oh wait sorry, you said 'drivers'
Lol, Ocon even runs off his own Team mate! Kevin isn't dangerous, Hamilton even defended him. Max... Let's just say he wont drive into his teammate... Yet.
I'm not so sure that Kevin is dangerous, more like he's very clumsy and unfair in cases when defending. Same goes for Stroll.
Oh you are just a Max hater 😂😂😂😂 keep crying
he broke the rule, got the penalty then finished his race after that he didn't complained, why everyone's crying?
Who is crying?....Great news, eventually.
True. Lando fans was spreading it like wildfire, it’s hilarious. They’re still mad even when Max is sitting at the bottom.
Because the idea is not to throw caution to the wind and possibly kill the opponent just because you are an old infant who can't keep your ego in check. Of cause he did not complain because he knew he was reckless. The only way to control this is F1 rules should deduct 10 points from drivers existing total + no points for the race even if they win, for dangerous and reckless diving , and after 30 points are deducted you are banned for the rest of the season
You moved your model cars around on the stand. Lol. Just an observation. Great videos mate.
I disagree with your point that max lost points to lando with his pentalties. with landos pace on the hards, he could have won the race if he wasnt held up by max this much. which would have made max lose more points to lando than now even if max would have gotten 4th.
Max is doing anything and everything to block Lando. Whether it’s legal or illegal, he is happy to concede the penalty. His lack of response to the penalties was very calm. He knew what he was doing and that he would get the penalties!
Yeah, and? Its a veteran move lol. The most dominant champions are always the most ruthless and looking out only for themselves.
Its so weird to see fans of this sport not comprehend a driver doing whatever it takes to win. The history of the sport, in the closest title fights, is FULL of controversy and racers going way over the line. Welcome to F1 kid.
@@MM-qm9ldSenna and Schumacher did far worse than max, many current fans wouldn't be able to comprehend it.
@@MM-qm9ldit's just society in general they don't seem to understand that Verstappen does not care about being the bad guy and will do whatever it takes to win they act like this is shocking 😂😂😂. They be like he the only one that does it well yeah and that's why he be the champ and there favorite driver won't it's as simple as that.
Penalties were deserved, but it's strange to get 10 sec for overtaking off the track - why not 5 sec? The same as Lando in the US
i think because after reading telemetry they saw it's on purpose
In Lando’s penalty the FIA stated that it could have been 10 seconds but they dialed it back to five because Verstappen also went off and Lando would have made the corner.
@@JDT2309 Yeah, because when Verstappen went off with him Lando couldn't make corner stick. But this time i think Max went to far and they saw it. Also, they had pre-race talk about the rules of racing and maybe that is one of the reasons for 2 time 10 seconds
Lando got punished for max mistake last race, max forced him off the road deliberately yet lando got the penalty, the FIA know they fucked that one up so they overcompensated with verstappen penalty this race, they should just admit they were wrong and give norris his 5 seconds back , then they should be disbanded.
Lando is allowed to overtake off the track if he is "ahead in the apex", second race in a row.
This 'first at the apex controls the exit' is pure BS. Telemetry will show where the normal braking happens for each driver on a normal racing lap. Verstappen keeps waiting until next Thursday to brake, grabs the apex, and then never makes the friggin' corner. Amateur Hour. That's the move of a bloody iRacing noob using a gamepad. You all know That Guy. Well, IRL, Max is F1's That Guy. It's about time the FIA did something about That Guy, toot-de-sweet.
I’m glad Lando found a way to race Max on his terms. It’ll be interesting if he can push Max into penalties in upcoming races.
next time DSQ coming for max
About the first penalty, in Texas Russel did the same thing overtaking Bottas and got away with a 5 second penalty, for the same manouver Verstappen in Mexico got 10 second penalty while in the end he did NOT even overtake Norris, so it's clear that they want to punish Verstappen in a different way in comparison to other drivers
Is Mad Max dangerous: absolutely! He always has been, all the way back against Dani and Charles. Only time he hasn't was when he was winning races easily. Will he learn from these penalties? We can only hope. Will the stewards continue to punish him? We can only hope.
cry baker
Perez did a Max move on Liam , Liam just didn't let him
nailed it
The second time should be a drivethorough penalty. You should not be able to mess with another drivers race like that. Max with that move prevented Lando winning the race basically. This was a calculated move at the end. Max lost less points because of the turn 8 move.
well, that is what I normally do in racing games.😅
Refreshing how nothing really changes;
Senna got the same complaints, Schumacher got them, and even Hamilton got his share.
The biggest rigs catch the most flies, it seems.
Lewis got into tangles with a lot of guys, but I don't think Lewis drives dangerously. This is coming from about an anti-Lewis guy as there is. I think Lewis gets a bit clumsy in defense but I don't think that he goes into the battles thinking I'm going to do this guy dirty.
As a Max fan, he should’ve been given penalty points or black flag for this moves or else he will be doing it again, you can’t just give Max 20 second penalty and don’t expect it to happen again
You’re not a Max fan,, if you were you’d ride or die with him and not make sissy statements
next race if he do the same shit he wil be DSQ from championship,you can count on that,schumacher did the same 1997 and he was DSQ from championship,in 1994 he also did it with damon hill australia,he got away with it but 1997 he got what he deserved..next is max I guess..
@@rembrandrembrand Stewards should’ve given Max penalty every time he or any other driver carry out these kind of moves but as we saw in Austin they are not that consistent track to track
😂😂 you are no Max fan, stop trying to fool ppl 😂😂😂 nobody falls for it 😂😂😂
@@Redlingstein I am but not a blind one like you, any driver you like you don’t have to support their each and every action, they aren’t your godfathers they are just your favourite drivers that’s it
Lando after 5 sec penalty in Austin: "No, it's just unfair. I’m leading, he wants to pass, he pushes me, I push him back, and then after he pushes me off the track. It's not fair"
Max after 20 sec penalty in Mexico: "Nothing, it was just an inchident in the race"
A driver who knows how to exploit the rules in his favor, is always more prone to breaking them. Senna, Schumacher and Max are good examples of this. While this kind of driving makes champions, it's still dirty. Nice guys finish last for a reason.
Verstappen is, without doubt, the most dangerous driver on the track, one day he'll end up getting someone either seriously injured or even worse someone killed, he seriously needs reigning in, if the existing stewards cannot control him then replace them, I'd like to see Red Bull out of F1 they themselves encourage such driving styles as Verstappen uses, F1 would be better off without both of them.
Yep! And that Christian horny's shitty presentation of lando's throttle at both incidents was such a cheap tactic. He could probably show us Max's telemetry data while trying to force others off-track or in a concrete wall.
3:13 i think that's briliant from lando, slowing just enough to put max in a very bad position while still "giving" his position back and ended up forcing max into a massive penalty
For any time penalty to be effective, it has to be served independently and cannot be cumulated into a single serving. I would suggest the following ; Any time penalty has to be served within 3 laps of the decision ( Passing the start / finish line 3 times ). Failure to do so is an automatic 20 second time penalty to be served within the following 3 laps. Further failure to serve the time penaty is an automatic and outright disqualification and 3 points on the licence. Any time penalty awarded in the last 3 laps is a driver choice between 2 licence points or automatic Q1 elimination in the next race. Any unserved time penalties in the last 3 laps on the last race in the season is an automatic 2 points ( per offence ) on the licence.
You're all looking at this from the wrong lens. VER driving was a damage limitation "professional foul". It was a masterclass of slowing down your rival by all means without being reckless. If he did nothing, NOR easily could have had P1 seeing how much improved the MCL was on the hard tires.
NOR P1 / VER P4 25-12= 13 pts
NOR P2 / VER P6 18-8= 10 pts (fortune smiles unexpectedly)
NOR P3 / VER P6 15-8= 7 pts
This was the race PIA inconsistent qualifying hurt the team and wasn't in position to defend like PER in '21 and really smack the pain on VER with a bigger point loss.
I normally don't disagree with F1Unchained, but I have to on the subject of Max being "dangerous." Here is the solutions to all the problems, no more FIA rules to interpret. Simply paint lines on the track that show the average "preferred" driving line and average apex of every corner. If the driver leading or passing occurs a track penalty from defending or passing another driver then you have solid evidence for a penalty. I'm so sick of hearing about getting pushed off the track. There are yellow lines painted on the start grid for the front tire, it's simple and effective. Many will disagree, but when these drivers act like children with their feelings, then give them simple rules to follow.
The first at the apex should be nullified if any of the wheels of the car goes outside the track after the corner, not just all wheels, any wheel. That should at least limit the divebombing.
Turn 4 was okay but 8 was waaaaay out of line
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G@F1Unchained got to disagree, Norris braked so early it was dangerous. I thought he was slowing to let max past from the live footage abd max had to swerve to avoid him
Lando was ahead at apex of turn 4, so it wasn’t ok
@@Axis_._ bro what
Turn 5,6,7 are all right turns, I don't think anyone one will aim for taking inside at turn 4. So turn 4 is not acceptable also
Max is only considered dangerous because he isn’t British! Remember, back in the day when Prost and Senna were racing for McLaren: Prost deliberately crashed into Senna to win the championship, and the next year, Senna did the same and also won! McLaren never complained about it and didn’t deny the title because they were the ones winning! So it’s not really about the moves on the track; it’s about who is making them! Norris moved aggressively under braking in Austin, and no one mentioned how dangerous that was!
First FIA needs to explain why 10 sec penalty, previous race for same things it was 5 sec penalty. What is criteria for 5 and what for 10 sec. For me then Perez it should get 10 as well, he even made a damage to both cars. Also then lando should get 10 sec previous race and finish behind Oscar. So question for you guys, what do you think? Did FIA wants drama in driver championship or what do you think about all of this?
maybe do some research? they said why they decreased to 5 sec
They already explained because Max pushed Lando off the track while even going off track himself.
"johnny herbert"
First off, max deserved a penalty. The problem however is the inconsistency in how rules are enforced by the stewards.
George had a similar move last week and got 5 seconds. Norris had the overtaking off the track and got 5 seconds. Max somehow got 2x10 seconds instead of 2x5 seconds?
For all the people in the comments blaming every coming together on Max in 2021 isn't really fair either. In that season there was also a lot of inconsistency of applying the rules.
The rules should be clear for everyone, fair, and applied consistently on all drivers. No matter where they are in the field or on the standings.
The issue here is the points buffer max has. He can afford to hit lando, because if they both get dnf, its an advantage to his WC. He gave up on Constructor Championship, so lando has to thread the needle and avoid crashes at all time. The solution is a different kind of penalties. Championship points. My take was exchange points in case of guilty. (So a guilty driver would current race.l position points to aggressed.
I hope FIA wil see his dirty trick and give him DSq from championship,it happend also to schumacher with the dirty trick..
The move Carlos did on Max was great but Max's defending against Lando is a lot more aggressive than against Carlos because they are battling for the championship.
Iv beeeen saying Max races like F1 is his father's sport. And his been going on for years not being Checked 😤
You mean back when it was real racing and not this crybaby trash I’m starting to see every week… F1 is totally losing its appeal.
I agree with every point you made except one: Despite the penalties one could make the argument that it still worked out for Max. Keep in mind that if Lando had stayed in 2nd position just behind Carlos, there would have been a pretty good chance he ends up winning the race. The maximum Max could have achieved without penalties would have been P4 as the Ferraris were clearly much quicker. If Lando comes in P1 and Max P4, then Lando takes off 13 points differential. This way it was "just" 10. But it is good to see that Max got penalties for his driving style at last. This is unacceptable.
I feel like the rules don’t have to be so complicated. If you have a car next to you, no matter what, you have to leave space
You know there are more drivers?
Max has pretty much gone back to Mad Max from 2021 his racing was absolutely awful today he didn’t need to drive like that considering he’s miles ahead we need a look into the driving standards rules in Brazil before Qatar Gp as it’s getting quite ridiculous this happening to often
He’s been doing like this since he’s got the Red Bull seat in 2016 except it’s tone down when between 2016-2018 he was an absolute wildcard where he was one tangle away from ruining his own race and while there’s no denying how incredibly talented Max is.. His ultra competitive and fearless “do or die” mentality is what got him 3 titles but this season it’s also becoming his own worst enemy. His drives at Austin and Mexico earlier at Austria were not great looks for him
Lawson showing he is competitive like Max and can defend really well. Without going off track, then crashing into Lawson, Colapinto doesn't pass him.
It was hard racing and Liam didn't ask for a penalty the FIA just did it anyway
Imagine how boring F1 would be without Max Verstappen
I prefer to imagine how much safer and fairer F1 would be. Max is what he started as, Mad Max Crashstappen.
Good driving with skill is never boring..
Johnny Herbertas stewards means 2x 10 …while Turn 4 was no penalty…but Herbert made it a 10sec one ofc.
In other words " MAX BRINGING OLD F1 BACK"
pretty true
Which F1 is this? 😂😂... Old F1 had hard racing with unsafe race track designs.. Not dangerous driving.. And yes, they frowned upon dangerous driving back then
@@KailamiMwiinga the f1 where kimi, nando, Schumacher, Hamilton, niko, seb dominated
@@hamza12ism if you ever watched that F1, you know there was hard racing and not dangerous driving except for the occasions MSC would drive into people in attempt to win the WDC...
Plus that F1 had very little overtakes, if any. If we had DRS back then, it would have made racing even better...
@@KailamiMwiingaBoth of you are wrong. F1 was cleaner and more entertaining back then, and DRS would ruin the entire point of hard racing. Take Hakkinen or Alonso, Button. They were very clean drivers and delivered quite the spectacle back in the day. Also, safety was pretty much the same as it is now, with the exception of the halo, which is just unnecessary weight.
Right now, all I'm seeing is big, bulky, chunky cars trying to find ways to pass around a corner, a difficult feat for most drivers to perform. However, when we had smaller, more agile cars, everything was much more fluid.
It's time we ditch the hybrids. Bring back the v10s, remove the halo.
Plus, races don't need many overtakes to make them interesting, just nice, clean racing, smart defending, and wheel-to-wheel battles. It would make things much more memorable than simply watching cars overtake on the straight.
I’m happy the cars are more competitive so we’re seeing max in his true form more often. When it was just him vs Lewis, it turned into a battle between their fan bases. But now that we’re seeing the exact same thing with other drivers, Max fans can’t just say “Lewis does that every time”. It is in fact max who is just dangerous.
He goes into every scrap with the mindset of “either you’re going to yield or we both crash”.
Being a Sir Lewis fan, I've got to say Max was super smart for what he did ...if he'd let Lando by then Lando would've chased down Carlos and won the race and he(Max) knew he didn't have the pace of the McLaren nor the Ferrari's then he would've finished fourth lose another three points in the process ...so I'd say that was smart from his side
Wait until Carlos and Oscar punt Max out of spite a couple times and he loses his WDC lead. The tears are something I look forward to. Max left the track and kept an advantage in Austin. It’s a penalty. Here endeth the debate.
That's what spending 90% of your spare time racing online will make you.
He has been like that since the beginning only in the last two years when he had the fastest car he felt like mature but when the car is slow again he shows his real style.
Remember 2021 season when he destroyed Lewis’s year with the same driving style (shortcutting, push outside, waving in the straights)
7:05 everyone watching F1 from 2016 knows that if you know if you are going outside of Max to overtake you better get way ahead of him before the corner or else your car won't be in tracks or you will be crashed out.
Max will always be in the limits of the rules and regulations...
Some or most of it doesn't seem fair but it is what it is he is Max and he will always bw in the limits
Totally agree with everything that was said here, as much as I respect max, that was just dangerous. I'm also delighted for carlos, that was a great drive and a very deserved win
What is dangerous is trying to twist a legal defense tack tick into something that has been used, since F1 started, into dangerous driving!!!
Knowing exactly how Max would legally defend his position, in that situation, why did Lando deliberately try to overtake Max on the outside multiple times?
Norris, watch out for the crazy Mad Max saga. Crazy dog is back.
Oh wait, he never left ......
I just hope the Ferrari duo’s and Mclarens make it very difficult for him he is getting in everybody irritated.
Max can't win a close fight without playing dirty. He's always been a terrible driver when under pressure and always will be.
some people compare with ayrton Senna,but he cant come close to Senna,that guy could win races with under powered engine's like 1993 ford v7 and schumacher blocked him having v8 and he won 5 race's and everyone lapping in donnigton except damon hill :)))
Bring back the 'serve in 3 laps' rules as well
I think the 1st move was hard racing but don't see how it's illegal, 2nd move was obviously not clean.
It should be who stays under control better
They should look at who is ahead at thestariting of the braking zone in the middle of it on the apex and in the exit and than you see who was actualy ahead who push of who and who gained the advatage but if you pauh someone of and don't make the corner it should me an automatic 10sec penalty or even drive through
The T8 move was clear cut penalty, i'm not sure about the T4 one, but maybe i havent seen enough replays and such, still 10 seconds on that one is very harsh imo.
Also, i dont really mind battles like this, like finally we get some fun on the track! And sure Lando is complaining, and although he does kinda have a right too. Lando is now learning that drivers arent going to play it nice if its a fight for the title, so what it comes down to now is if Lando will sink or swim
I didn’t see Liam flip off That’s so funny. Doesn’t mean you can just drive a guy in the woods.
Max's second penalty should have been a drive trough or a stop and go. The 20s penalty while it ruined Max's race didn't address the motive behind them, which was to have Norris lose time by being stuck behind him and make the comeback to the Ferraris harder, which succeeded. Norris could have a likely win here if it wasn't for Max's moves. He didn't actually care about any of the penalties and clearly said it himself, he actually joked about it being worth it because Norris didn't win.
I see this turning into a Senna/Prost thing where Max just takes Lando and himself out. If neither of them score points, Max wins.
Even in the last race if you watch the pass, he released the brake just make him self ahead even knowing he wouldn’t make the corner. This tactic was used by him all the time since Ham was racing him. Just go back,i thing he has being given many easy passes by FIA, now its about time
I honestly think there are too many gray areas in the rules that need to be stomped out. It should either be it is or it isnt. No in between becasue we get into situations like this over and over again in an endless loop
I hate that Sainz had to cry when Charls was gaining on him over the radio you can say that guy dominated anyone if he was crying about the pace being to fast and Leclerk catching him up that what it ruined the win for me
carlos is evil and also very slow, let luis drive ferrari car for the rest of the season and they will win the consteuctor championship.
@megumin3336 i would call him very slow not even slow but he is inconsistent
They should have implemented DTs after what KMag did in Jeddah, but this is another reason they need to do them.
They said the same thing about Senna. I’d say that puts Max in GOOD company!
I think if you can't control your car and you are going out of the track it shouldn't matter if you were ahead at the apex
i think the carlos move was more of a strategy because he kept losing time to lando and he was vulnerable to DRS
To anyone calling Max's driving yesterday "racing", you ought to think about changing your sport to demolition-derby! Because that's where Max should be driving! Lewis Hamilton has been telling for YEARS how dangerous the is, but was criticized for it or just ignored! Why or what makes yesterday's behavior any different to that of the 2021 season? Yesterday, he got 20 sec penalty, while in 2021, the EXACT SAME driving style went without consequences!
If bad behaviour is not corrected in the beginning, it's guaranteed to be repeated and sometimes surpassed.
It was a ridiculous act from Max. He's a champion and should grow up and act like it. You can't always have the best car and cruise in front.
To be honest I feel they didn't always penalize the move but the driver. The 1st move would not have been penalized last race and it it did it would be a 5 second penalty. The penalty of second move was obvious and well deserved. But it does feel like the tried to compensate in stead of objectively judging
Max has no class! Dirty!
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Give him a car that lets him drive classy. Give him a trash car and he must search alone that position, someway
MY god I thought Hamilton fans were blind idiots
Here come Verstappen ones
You said that if Verstappen didn't do what he did he would have lost out less, however if he didn't Norris would've had a good shot at the win. So a probable P1 NOR and P4 (or even still p6) VER would've been a bigger points swing
I think Lando was giving the place back when VER made that absurd inside move. Lando looked like he was a car width or more off the apex for VER to slip by, but no VER is going back to driving as he did in his rookie year.
I don't agree that max would have lost a lot less points just letting Lando go. I think Lando would have been fighting Carlos for the win by the end if he lets Lando go right there at the beginning and max would have finished 4th at best. May have even got caught by the mercs being that he was being run down by a haas towards the end. I think max knew exactly what he was doing and his entire goal was keeping lando from scoring maximum points.
Well, Max doesn't defend when Carlos tries to overtake but defends like a desperate F1 lobby driver when Lando tries to overtake so ... Yeah if Lando did a divebomb like Carlos, he would have ended up in the back of Max's car or on the grass.