Was superglad to hit a running store years ago and have my pain alleviated via a stability shoe prescription. But that was a long time ago when I ran 2 miles a few times to "get in shape". Years later putting in 20-30mi a week and stability starting to feel like clunky bricks at times. Just pounded 6mi this morning on a pair of neutrals. Could better feel foot rotation and was able to adjust accordingly. Guess the point is our shoe needs can change especially when hard work is applied and we better grasp what the heck we've been doing wrong.
I was shocked at how it's pronounced... and then thought back to the times I pronounced it wrong in front of people thinking "did they know and not tell me!?"
It started off with the cool pronunciation ... then the company recommended the boring pronunciation ... now it's officially "sort of" back to the original cool pronunciation. Hoka seems happiest when everyone is right. A disclaimer: I spend lots of money on Hokas.
I’m a lowly fitness walker (STOP LAUGHING!) and do maybe 20 miles/week, but I’m also 63 and my feet and left knee have been giving me a lot of grief lately. Naturally, I’m in search of the elusive “perfect” footwear. Never heard of Hoka before reading this thread, but I was inspired to make a trip to to my local running store and order up a pair to see if they help. I’ve been wearing Brooks Beast for the last week (aptly named). Support/correction - yeah, but they’re heavy and have about as much comfort and spring to them as my 3 year old, worn out New Balance 990’s. I forget which Hokas are coming, but they seem a lot more comfortable and less... brick-like? than the Beasts. Wanted to say thanks for your video - hoping the Hokas (and a pair of Injinji) will be the answer to my sore feet.
Had to walk off a HM @10k today, I am in pb shape but when upping distance injury strikes, thanks for the video made a lot of sense as to the injuries I get when upping my mileage, just bought the gaviota 2, those combined with a new hip and glute strength plan hopefully will hopefully get me to and through a marathon injury free, thanks have a great week
I changed from New Balance to Hoka One One last year! - I had problems with my Achilles running NB Zante & 890 v4's and after the switch a huge difference! - I use both Clifton 3's and Huaka 2, the latter being the most comfortable!
I've been hitting the web doing a lot of research for trainers and you will laugh when I say that I was looking for the look of the shoe. I'm 83 and like walking a lot to keep fit and didn't want the bog standard black or white ones. As soon as I saw the Hoka range I knew I had found what I was after. The problem in the UK is that not many shops stock Hoke but fortunately I found one just 30 miles away. I had more or less by this time found the style I liked. The shop owner was extremely helpful and recommended the Arahi although I preferred the Clifton 5. Fortunately he had a treadmill where I could get a comparison. I did go for the Clifton in Wide fitting. After wearing them indoors for a few hours something did not feel right and having a pair of orthotics in a standard shoe I tried them and what a difference it made. I have since seen a review on TH-cam for them and that reviewer did exactly the same. Comparing the Hoka insole and the FootActive orthotic the arch support on the latter is more firm. I'm now sold on Hoka for the future.
I find this to be the most frustrating part of running. I've tried New Balance minimal models and non-minimal models, Mizuno, Sketchers Meb and Go Run models, etc, and I never know what's going to happen until I've been running in them for a few weeks. Many times I develop plantar fasciitis after a few weeks, and then a I switch back and it goes away, so I know it's the shoe's fault. It's such an expensive mistake to pick the wrong shoe.
I found the process rather simple. I first got the non-support version of a shoe that also has a support/pronation version. for example, I ordered the Mizuno Wave Runner 20. I ran in it for a few weeks under normal conditions, and found that I was getting plantar symptoms. I then switched to the 'pronation' verson of the same shoe - i.e. the Mizuno Wave Inspire 15. The plantar went away. I think the key is to get non/support versions of the same shoe to really test the difference.
I picked up a pair of Hoka Cliftons just last week and joked with the salesperson that now that I have the shoes I'll have to start running ultras like Sage Canaday. Your vlogs certainly made me want to try them out and I'm an Asics for life kinda gal :p .
Great informative video. Sometimes is not easy to find out the right shoe, even you have tons of information about your foot, running style but you will not know until you try for real the shoes. What it may work for someone else, it might not be for yourself. Reading product reviews and watching videos like this one is a great help to make up your mind until you decide to give a try on a certain model. I have to say that haven´t run with Hoka yet but seems the Clifton may be a good suit for me but also interesting in the additional support in Arahi for longer runs.
My first proper running shoe was Skechers(injured) way back in 2013. then Nike Pegasus(Injured), Pearl Izumis (less injured), NB Boracay (Injured big time). Altra Superior, LP2.5 and Torin (no Injured). I can say for me to avoid injuries for us mere mortals(not an elite runner), go for a low/zero drop shoe.. it'l help you especially on the trails.
I have a very high arc. And sometimes my foot collapses. Its extremely painfull. It can happen after 13 K or 32 K or 50 K... Having a very wide forefoot and a narrow heel, I sorry to say, that I havent been able to feel comfortable locked in, using Hoka's. A heel that slipped around and made my achilles problem worse. Yes I have constantly painful achilles. But I feel that the soles of Hoka's would be better for my feet and the bones in my feet. Altra forefoots, Salomon mid- and heel upper and Hoka soles (and a bit more rubber to the road...). Unlike Vibram, Salomon rubber outsoles works in wett rocks. A Hoka like that, and I'll buy it !!! And I supinate!x Tried the Clifton 6.
From my understanding a low arch doesn't always equal over pronation. Over pronation is excessive movement medially. If your ankle is always leaning inwards from having a low arch but doesn't move excessively when you are running or walking a stability shoe might not be best. A stability shoe doesn't really address arch support it just helps with someone with excessive ankle movement aka over pronation and some would argue that one of the only things a stability shoe does is help make your running shoe last longer as your body will always find a way around what you put under your feet - unless it's a motion control shoe. If you want support underneath your arch then look at an orthotic. I think one of the most important things is arch flexibility and ankle movement. I've working at a specialty running store for the last couple of years however This whole statement is really an open question as I believe that you know more about this subject than I do. I also know that knowledge and opinions on this matter are constantly evolving.
Was recently advised that I had to wear stability running shoes. So went ahead and purchased them. I have ran 40 kilometres with them and I have never witnessed pains like i have running with them before. The shoe was the Brooks adrenaline GTS 19 shoe fantastic comfortable shoe but not just for me. Going back to a neutral running shoe the good reliable ASICS and maybe fit a light insole.
Each brand of shoe has a cut specific to them. The most important aspect of picking a shoe is finding the brand(s) that fit your foot shape....the width and arch height. Each brand has a multitude of models to fit each person’s style of running. After you find the brand(s) you can pick the shoe in their line-up that fits your needs.
I love my Clifton 3s. Best running shoes I ever bought! Just don't get them too small, IMO the Clifton's are sized a bit smaller than other running shoes.
Hi. I was wondering if you know any shoe from Hoka or any other brand thats very good for or designed for supenators? Most stability shoes I see are built for pronators and not supenators? Hope you can help me on this one! Thank you!
If you find a shoe you really like, buy as many pairs as you can afford because the shoe company will "upgrade" it and it wont feel right anymore. Happened to me with Asics (Cumulus) about 8 years ago. I'm still trying to find the right pair. Hokas are too narrow and squishy for me. Still looking.
You are finally starting to learn that? Sneaker Companies love to take great running models, then downgrade them over the years to where they are shallow version of what they once were
I actually think you should get maybe 2-3 pair, but not 'as many as you can.' the reason why is that you want to vary your shoe over time, or the 'bad' elements of the shoe (every shoe has them) will affect you. Then after 2-3 replacements, look hard for another shoe that works.
I notice my left and right muscle imbalance mostlu caused by the foundation that is my feet. My left feet has flatter arch compared to my right feet neutral arch. Cause problem to every movement even push up etc as long as my leg is touching the ground.
Arahi's are pretty sweet. I've been running in them for a couple months and now I can't get myself to wear other stability daily -trainers. My only issue is now is looking for a faster shoe that offers some stability. Hoping Hoka pulls through in the near future!
Olhildr I'm also having problems with my sesamoids and I'm trying to figure out what the problem is. They've been bothering me for over 2 months now and it is super frustrating. I had an x-ray done in January and they didn't see a fracture so I thought they would have been healed up by now. Do you have any tips or advice on what I should try to help with healing? Maybe I should go see a podiatrist?
I have had the problem for a similar amount of time. The pain is now almost gone. After the initial pain subsided, I took a look at my biomechanic and saw my calf and plantar fascia were compensating for the injured sesamoids ( they were tight) so I took care of those two the most. What I do: I do not run, at all. I freeze a plastic water bottle and roll it under my foot, as you would do with plantar fasciitis. Stretch my toes towards myself, hold the stretch for 30 seconds and then release. Stretch calves by doing lunges, leaning against the wall or similar. Grasp a towel with my toes. I make sure I don't overdo these. Usually, I do all that in a session that takes around 15 minutes a day and then leave it be. I went through 2 weeks where the pain was enough to make me use Voltaren gel. The gel is a much better option than a NSAID for this issue, as the sesamoids are almost right under the skin and you avoid all the GI and other issues commonly experienced with NSAID. Reducing pain might seem pointless but pain reduction lessens the need of other body parts to compensate for the painful sesamoids. Rest is paramount so for the first 3-4 weeks I did minimal supplementary training or cardio. After that time I was back on my usual regiment of yoga 4-5 days a week, core and stability work. Stability work ( various exercises each done while standing on one leg) are great at correcting compensatory imbalances I developed to avoid pain. I also rode my bike, but only after the initial 4-5 weeks and I started riding gradually. I do not use road shoes and clipless pedals but regular pedals and my running shoes. This ensures that the sesamoids aren't aggravated by the activity ( while researching the injury found that it hits cyclists quite a bit). For shoes, I switched to a pair with the least drop, widest toebox and firmest insole I could find where I live. I settled for Nike terra kiger wildhorse 3. I wear these whenever I am out. Around the house, I wear crocs or slippers. I also meditate in the morning, keep my sleep schedule consistent and eat only whole plant foods, supplemented with B12, and D. Reading is what kept me sane. I devoured quite a bit of books since getting injured. Chi running, Waterlogged, Running with the Kenyans are some running- related that you might find interesting. ( Stuff that didn't work or made things worse- custom insoles, metatarsal pads, walking everywhere to make myself feel better about not running- bike is much better and naturally leads to walking less ) What are some tactics that you employ?
sesamoids take a while for the swelling/pain to go down. Time off from running and from impact...possible added padding.....ice. Practice stretching/flexing the big toe up and down They usually get irritated from blunt force/impact and repetitive pounding
Thanks! I'm planning on just taking a complete break from running until I have no pain for a few days. I think my shoes were too worn and that is what caused the injury in the first place... I have been doing daily stretches with my toes as well as icing the ball of my foot 2-3 times a day. The stretches seem to help the most. I just need to start focusing more on stretching my calves as well, because they seem to be extremely tight.
I have always overpronated like crazy, so naturaly i have bought overpronation shoes and it was great, but then i was searching for some shorts in this special running shop and we fell in talk of running shoes, and the salesman said i should try a pair of Altra Paradigm 1.5 and boom my overpronation were gone just like that, so no more high heels for me, i would love to try Hokas but they are to narrow in the toe.
Okay, I got both the Arahi 4 and the Gaviota 2. I have low arches and did not feel comfortable running, I felt a lump on my arches from the shoes so I will keep the Arahi 4's but exchanged the Gaviota 2's for another brand. Besides that they are great shoes for running, they are comfortable and responsive, but won't be able to buy any more of them because they are not low arch friendly eve though I got the wide size
Hi, in a video I can't find again, you suggested to drill holes in the sole to reduce pronation protection of the Clifton's. Can you tell more about it, maybe a picture?
I think I learnt quite a bit from this video. I do use orthotics (insoles) and they have helped to a point where I don't use stability shoes, but I still have a problem with adductor, glute and hip flexor, especially when I go up a hill. My left shoe hill also dies out faster. I found that my ITB struggles a bit as a result. I think I will have a long chat with the Podiatrist after running Comrades Marathon this Sunday. Thank you very much Sage
Hi Sage thanks for the video, because I have flat feet I use the New Balance 1080 for road running, but what will be the best for trail running for my feet
I've been running the Rincon and love them. I'm starting to run trails. What shoe would be the closest to a Rincon Trail shoe? Thanks for all you share!
I run with orthotics to help with support. I suffer from plantar fasciitis, which worsens with speed work. Factoring in orthotics what are your thoughts in shoe selection. I will tell you I am probably the worst kind of runner, a bow legged heal striker.
Good info. How can I evaluate the soles of my last two pair of running shoes to find out if I'm a neutral runner or if I over pronate? What can I look for in terms of wear to determine this? The two shoes I've been running in are Brooks Adrenaline 14 & 15.
what hoka would u suggest if you are supinating? my foot rolls to the outside and is wide.. I want a shoe with a springy ride, energy rebound... used hoka 6 and the feel like they are sucking up my energy, heels hurt and instep feel constricted and too tight. gaviota felt like a brick...I feel like waering the 6's that im sinking back into the heels ,feels weird, no forward momentum..like a car with sacked out rear springs!...Ive wide feet, a small stride, only walk and jog short distances,want confort for my aching heels but also want a springy shoe that aids momentum.. the bondis are absorbing my momentum!
Anyone have tips for healing a sesamoid (ball of foot injury)? It started bothering me a couple of months ago and I still am unable to run pain free. I have been taking a week off from running at a time to allow time to heal, but after every run when I try to start back, I have pain in the ball of my foot after running. Any tips? I've had it x-rayed at the beginning of the year and they saw no issues. I'm planning on swing a podiatrist next week to have it checked out again.
I apply kinesiotape on the front foot area, just a small piece that basically covers the ball area, stretched so as that it keeps the area supported on inpact. Works like a charm for me..
inflammation and lower pain feeling I recommended: !!DO NOT DRINK ON AN EMPTY STOMACH!! Half a teaspoon of olive oil, a half teaspoon of turmeric, a decent pinch of black pepper, a little water (I use boiled water or tea) in small swallow drink. Rubbing on the painful spot I recommend: Olive oil with Himalayasalt That's my personal recommendation, it helped me. As an alternative, I cook turmeric with food, rice, etc. wish you all the best
Need your expert advice...my left foot is a full size smaller with high arch. My right foot has medium arch and like mentioned a full size larger....so I’ve always sized to my right foot and just dealt with it. I’ve recently switched to Hoka...and for the first time it really negatively impacts me because I love the hokas but it’s now much more obvious that my left foot is way too big...any thoughts or advice? Thanks for your help
Well this is very informative, i’m planning to switch from nike airmax (neutral) to hoka, but i’m nut sure, should i get neutral or stability shoe? I tend to supinate sometimes when running and not concentrating on my form. Also i put around 40-60 km monthly on the shoe. Mainly i run on roads (asphalt ) and it’s 5 times a week. For my case : 1-is it a good idea to use stability shoe ? 2- is it better to look for more plush ( cushion ) or less plush ?
I'm so lost deciding what kind of trail shoe I need. I have mild scoliosis and I think I'm hitting my Right leg harder than my left. I ended up spraining my right knee in October and it really sucked, my knee was catching and scaring me. I wonder if Maximal will help cushion the impact and protect me knee????
I'm always having trouble with picking the right running shoe.I've had brooks and now I bough the saoucony guide 10. but I'm my ankle has been hurting I just thought it's my shoe. I was wondering if I need something else.
So my problem is that I can't really find any fitting shoes. It's either my toes touching the front while walking or my heel slipping (when I go half a size up). What's wrong with my feet?
Thumbs up for good training videos on your channel Sage! As you mentioned you've been using Cliftons for years, interested to know how many km's you get from a pair before eva starts to lose it? Assuming it's not the upper or outsole that gives up. My weight and gait looks to be pretty same as you..
OK, a question: as you have reviewed shoes for asphalt surfaces, is the Pronation/Stability also an issue for (Ultra)trail runners? I have an overpronation issues and have selected Speedgoat 2 (for long distances, due to good cushioning) and Chalanger ATR 4 for short/medium runs, which both are to be neutral. I have also heard, that in trails pronation is no a big issue because the soft surface can stabilise it. Can you also make a movie about shoes for trails? Best, P.
I currently wear Adidas Supernova Sequence Boost as I mildly overpronate. My biggest problem is that every few months of continued activity, I seem to get problems with my Achilles. It doesn't tear, but I do get a lot of pain and stiffness. Is this something that the HOKA Arahi could help with?
If you have an orthotic for high arches do you want a shoe that compensates for your under-pronation or does the orthotic compensate for it so you choose Neutral shoe?
I recently purchase hoka one one gaviota 2 wide thinking it would fix the blister issues with the arahi 3 regular size. I'm having the same issue of blisters on the inside of my foot. Any tips, thank you. (used running socks and doesn't fit the issue, also runners loop.
Sage, what do you recommend over-pronators wear on trails? I know trails provide more variety so your foot isn't hitting the same way every time and there is more variation in ankle movement, but I still get more pronation than normal on those foot strikes that do cause pronation, since I am already prone to it. Thanks!
What type of shoe do you recommend for those with flat feet that don't over-pronate? I'm pigeon-toed so I don't pronate much. Generally, I run in Kinvara's due to the lighter weight with the added cushioning.
Danilo Fratangelo It took a long time, but my knees are fine now. BUT then some of my toes started to hurt during and after a run. I gave up those shoes. Luckily the store replaced them costfree with Brooks Ghost 12 :)
@@MrMisuma thanks for replying! I also gave up on the Vomero, even for casual wearz just a few minutes casually wearing would give me pain. Interestingly, one of my favourite shoes have been the brooks aduro 6, brooks entry level model. It has absolutely nothing special, pretty simple, but it's really hard (firm) and very durable. I look forward to testing other Brooks :) best!
Sage, I have been wearing Hoka One One Arahi stability shoes and love them. I have a pair of Speed Goat 2 and they complement the Arahi's, but I was not able to find the perfect size/fit. I wear 12 EE shoes and it seems that Hoka does not do wide shoe sizes except for in the full stability shoes. Is this true? Is it possible to get 12 EE in the Speed Goat?
Can I ask for some advice? I overpronate, however when I have used stability shoes in the past I have ended up with pretty serious arch blisters (especially when I run over 5 miles). In the last year I have been wearing more neutral shoes and these have completely stopped the blisters, I am currently using ASICS Cumulus 18. I would like to try some Hoka shoes, however I am not sure what to go for. I do not want to start experiencing painful arch blisters again, but it would be good to have some stability for my overpronation. Do you have any suggestions? Katie
Katie Hainbach I also find arch support to be painful in many instances as on overpronator. I think it is the medial posts which can cause that pain - curious about the technology in the Hoka stability range.
depends on exactly how much you overpronate. you could get away with a neutral cushioned type of shoe to prevent blisters and if that is more comfortable. Also it could depend on the shoe fit/shape. The curvature of the arch, the depth and how the "in - step" is in the design. In this case it sounds like a matter of trying the shoe on (i.e. Clifton v. Clayton v. Arahi) and just seeing which fits better and doesn't put pressure on the arch that could cause a blister.
Where do I find the evidence for the 'wet foot test' and 'foot type determines function'? What evidence apart from anecdotal do you use to back your ideas?
Astro Runner me too. I love my Adidas. I'm a beginner runner who went to a running store for fitting n bought the new balance 880 $130. Also bought Saucony. They were both very comfortable for walking but running in them makes my shin extremely tired within a mile. I went back to running with my cheap $50 Adidas I bought for the gym yrs ago bc it looks cute...n I had no problems. Within 1 week of training I was able to run a 5k n 3 weeks training a 10k. I love my cheap Adidas so I decided to buy a new model adizero that is just as light n thin bottoms.
Oh boy. Here come the STABILITY SHOES ARE EVIL dumbasses in the comments...just ignore them. Sage actually knows what he is talking about. Great video Sage!
The science about pronation and over pronation doesn't stand still. So do stability shoes. Shoes that were recommended in shops years ago now look very wrong. The biggest mistake to make is to think your foot gait needs correcting by a piece of plastic. Our ancestors used to run, hunt for hours and didn't wear stability shoes, despite all sorts of foot shape. With the right transition period and the right ankle and ligament strengthening almost anyone who over pronates can run in neutral shoe (an over pronator who used to even wear orthotics and now runs in neutrals). Just don't believe all the marketing hype.
Hey Sage, I have been having some problems finding the right shoe. I have been fitted at my local running store but am still having some issues. My left foot is relatively flat and my right foot is normal or high, I have been running on trails mostly the past few months and love it. I am currently switching between the nike kiger 3 and more recently pearl izumi em trail m2 which is not very comfortable at all but has some stability features. I notice some pins and needles sensation in both feet in the pearls which seems pretty clearly to be no good. I love the wide toe box on the kigers but think I may need some higher volume cushioning for longer runs. I seem to be constantly balancing on pain between my left arch and right knee. Any help would be hugely appreciated because I am spending wayyy to much money on running shoes... says my girlfriend. thanks - Tristan
Was superglad to hit a running store years ago and have my pain alleviated via a stability shoe prescription.
But that was a long time ago when I ran 2 miles a few times to "get in shape".
Years later putting in 20-30mi a week and stability starting to feel like clunky bricks at times. Just pounded 6mi this morning on a pair of neutrals. Could better feel foot rotation and was able to adjust accordingly.
Guess the point is our shoe needs can change especially when hard work is applied and we better grasp what the heck we've been doing wrong.
TIL I've been pronouncing 'Hoka One One' wrong
I was shocked at how it's pronounced... and then thought back to the times I pronounced it wrong in front of people thinking "did they know and not tell me!?"
Charlotte Pickering I heard they changed pronunciation of the brand few times now.
It started off with the cool pronunciation ... then the company recommended the boring pronunciation ... now it's officially "sort of" back to the original cool pronunciation. Hoka seems happiest when everyone is right. A disclaimer: I spend lots of money on Hokas.
hoh - KA ohnay-ohnay
Me too, I thought it was Hooka 1-1 derp derp
I’m a lowly fitness walker (STOP LAUGHING!) and do maybe 20 miles/week, but I’m also 63 and my feet and left knee have been giving me a lot of grief lately. Naturally, I’m in search of the elusive “perfect” footwear. Never heard of Hoka before reading this thread, but I was inspired to make a trip to to my local running store and order up a pair to see if they help. I’ve been wearing Brooks Beast for the last week (aptly named). Support/correction - yeah, but they’re heavy and have about as much comfort and spring to them as my 3 year old, worn out New Balance 990’s. I forget which Hokas are coming, but they seem a lot more comfortable and less... brick-like? than the Beasts. Wanted to say thanks for your video - hoping the Hokas (and a pair of Injinji) will be the answer to my sore feet.
Had to walk off a HM @10k today, I am in pb shape but when upping distance injury strikes, thanks for the video made a lot of sense as to the injuries I get when upping my mileage, just bought the gaviota 2, those combined with a new hip and glute strength plan hopefully will hopefully get me to and through a marathon injury free, thanks have a great week
I changed from New Balance to Hoka One One last year! - I had problems with my Achilles running NB Zante & 890 v4's and after the switch a huge difference! - I use both Clifton 3's and Huaka 2, the latter being the most comfortable!
You really should be doing more of these shoe reviews.
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yea i wish he would do more. This is 2 years old now and there are alot of different models out now.
I've been hitting the web doing a lot of research for trainers and you will laugh when I say that I was looking for the look of the shoe. I'm 83 and like walking a lot to keep fit and didn't want the bog standard black or white ones. As soon as I saw the Hoka range I knew I had found what I was after. The problem in the UK is that not many shops stock Hoke but fortunately I found one just 30 miles away. I had more or less by this time found the style I liked. The shop owner was extremely helpful and recommended the Arahi although I preferred the Clifton 5. Fortunately he had a treadmill where I could get a comparison. I did go for the Clifton in Wide fitting. After wearing them indoors for a few hours something did not feel right and having a pair of orthotics in a standard shoe I tried them and what a difference it made. I have since seen a review on TH-cam for them and that reviewer did exactly the same. Comparing the Hoka insole and the FootActive orthotic the arch support on the latter is more firm. I'm now sold on Hoka for the future.
Best video I have found on this topic. Thanks!
I find this to be the most frustrating part of running. I've tried New Balance minimal models and non-minimal models, Mizuno, Sketchers Meb and Go Run models, etc, and I never know what's going to happen until I've been running in them for a few weeks. Many times I develop plantar fasciitis after a few weeks, and then a I switch back and it goes away, so I know it's the shoe's fault. It's such an expensive mistake to pick the wrong shoe.
Same here!
I found the process rather simple. I first got the non-support version of a shoe that also has a support/pronation version. for example, I ordered the Mizuno Wave Runner 20. I ran in it for a few weeks under normal conditions, and found that I was getting plantar symptoms. I then switched to the 'pronation' verson of the same shoe - i.e. the Mizuno Wave Inspire 15. The plantar went away. I think the key is to get non/support versions of the same shoe to really test the difference.
lacrosse ball ankle rolls? helps me a lot
After trying many many shoes, i have finally found the ones that i like a lot : Hoka Clifton 3. They are so smooth
Just swathes thanks. Am switching from Brooks(Adrenaline) to Hoka, this was good info!!!
I picked up a pair of Hoka Cliftons just last week and joked with the salesperson that now that I have the shoes I'll have to start running ultras like Sage Canaday. Your vlogs certainly made me want to try them out and I'm an Asics for life kinda gal :p .
Amazing video sir!!! Great explanation I’ll either try the Arahi or the Gaviota. Thank you!!!
Great informative video. Sometimes is not easy to find out the right shoe, even you have tons of information about your foot, running style but you will not know until you try for real the shoes. What it may work for someone else, it might not be for yourself.
Reading product reviews and watching videos like this one is a great help to make up your mind until you decide to give a try on a certain model.
I have to say that haven´t run with Hoka yet but seems the Clifton may be a good suit for me but also interesting in the additional support in Arahi for longer runs.
My first proper running shoe was Skechers(injured) way back in 2013. then Nike Pegasus(Injured), Pearl Izumis (less injured), NB Boracay (Injured big time). Altra Superior, LP2.5 and Torin (no Injured). I can say for me to avoid injuries for us mere mortals(not an elite runner), go for a low/zero drop shoe.. it'l help you especially on the trails.
Finally nice intro..... you changed that old music..... and maybe the quality of the camera..... nice job. Very helpful video
I have a very high arc. And sometimes my foot collapses. Its extremely painfull.
It can happen after 13 K or 32 K or 50 K...
Having a very wide forefoot and a narrow heel, I sorry to say, that I havent been able to feel comfortable locked in, using Hoka's.
A heel that slipped around and made my achilles problem worse. Yes I have constantly painful achilles.
But I feel that the soles of Hoka's would be better for my feet and the bones in my feet.
Altra forefoots, Salomon mid- and heel upper and Hoka soles (and a bit more rubber to the road...). Unlike Vibram, Salomon rubber outsoles works in wett rocks.
A Hoka like that, and I'll buy it !!!
And I supinate!x
Tried the Clifton 6.
From my understanding a low arch doesn't always equal over pronation. Over pronation is excessive movement medially. If your ankle is always leaning inwards from having a low arch but doesn't move excessively when you are running or walking a stability shoe might not be best. A stability shoe doesn't really address arch support it just helps with someone with excessive ankle movement aka over pronation and some would argue that one of the only things a stability shoe does is help make your running shoe last longer as your body will always find a way around what you put under your feet - unless it's a motion control shoe. If you want support underneath your arch then look at an orthotic. I think one of the most important things is arch flexibility and ankle movement. I've working at a specialty running store for the last couple of years however This whole statement is really an open question as I believe that you know more about this subject than I do. I also know that knowledge and opinions on this matter are constantly evolving.
I love this video. A very useful information and description.
Was recently advised that I had to wear stability running shoes. So went ahead and purchased them. I have ran 40 kilometres with them and I have never witnessed pains like i have running with them before. The shoe was the Brooks adrenaline GTS 19 shoe fantastic comfortable shoe but not just for me. Going back to a neutral running shoe the good reliable ASICS and maybe fit a light insole.
Having the same issue. Was the pain on the arches.
Each brand of shoe has a cut specific to them. The most important aspect of picking a shoe is finding the brand(s) that fit your foot shape....the width and arch height. Each brand has a multitude of models to fit each person’s style of running. After you find the brand(s) you can pick the shoe in their line-up that fits your needs.
I ordered a pair of Clifton yesterday, I hope I did the right choice! ;D
I have loved my Clifton 3`s - from day one. Good luck :)
Aleksander K same here love my Clifton 3's.
Fjolleri if you have flat feet do not buy cliftons, I ordered a paid and every single run in them messed my knees up
I love my Clifton 3s. Best running shoes I ever bought! Just don't get them too small, IMO the Clifton's are sized a bit smaller than other running shoes.
I agree that the Clifton 2 was a bit narrow, too narrow for me in fact, but that the Clifton 3 is wider and more true to size. Just my 0.02
Thank You very much for sharing. it really helped me in choosing my right shoes as I am an occassional jogger
Hi. I was wondering if you know any shoe from Hoka or any other brand thats very good for or designed for supenators? Most stability shoes I see are built for pronators and not supenators? Hope you can help me on this one! Thank you!
"Don't sue me if you die"? lol
Nice video. After how many miles would you recommend to replace shoes?
If you find a shoe you really like, buy as many pairs as you can afford because the shoe company will "upgrade" it and it wont feel right anymore. Happened to me with Asics (Cumulus) about 8 years ago. I'm still trying to find the right pair. Hokas are too narrow and squishy for me. Still looking.
Nike downshifter 6 was a great (and cheap) shoe. the 7th version was nothing like its predecessor . Very frustrating
You are finally starting to learn that? Sneaker Companies love to take great running models, then downgrade them over the years to where they are shallow version of what they once were
Asics nimbus changed to crap too, runnibg in clifton 5s now.
I actually think you should get maybe 2-3 pair, but not 'as many as you can.' the reason why is that you want to vary your shoe over time, or the 'bad' elements of the shoe (every shoe has them) will affect you. Then after 2-3 replacements, look hard for another shoe that works.
Coach Sage, i think on youtube you can add bookmarks for different chapters...so each shoe (type) could have its mark -> easy to navigate
Ben Jacoby YES!!! I was hoping someone would do that in the comments
Amazing video, thanks for all the great info!
I notice my left and right muscle imbalance mostlu caused by the foundation that is my feet. My left feet has flatter arch compared to my right feet neutral arch. Cause problem to every movement even push up etc as long as my leg is touching the ground.
Arahi's are pretty sweet. I've been running in them for a couple months and now I can't get myself to wear other stability daily -trainers.
My only issue is now is looking for a faster shoe that offers some stability. Hoping Hoka pulls through in the near future!
the Clayton is technically a neutral shoe, but for some fast (and super light) running it has a bit more stability (compared to the Clifton).
Hoka bondi 5 good man. I just picked them up today!!!!!
says awesome informative video Sage, like the personal honest approach
You didn’t talk about shoe length- do you recommending sizing 1/2 size up from your regular size?
He did at 8:46
I realised I was watching an old video when I saw you holding the Clifton 3 :D
Wish Hokas were more widely available around Europe. I have trouble with my sesamoids and I would love to try Hokas.
Olhildr I'm also having problems with my sesamoids and I'm trying to figure out what the problem is. They've been bothering me for over 2 months now and it is super frustrating. I had an x-ray done in January and they didn't see a fracture so I thought they would have been healed up by now. Do you have any tips or advice on what I should try to help with healing? Maybe I should go see a podiatrist?
I have had the problem for a similar amount of time. The pain is now almost gone. After the initial pain subsided, I took a look at my biomechanic and saw my calf and plantar fascia were compensating for the injured sesamoids ( they were tight) so I took care of those two the most. What I do: I do not run, at all. I freeze a plastic water bottle and roll it under my foot, as you would do with plantar fasciitis. Stretch my toes towards myself, hold the stretch for 30 seconds and then release. Stretch calves by doing lunges, leaning against the wall or similar. Grasp a towel with my toes. I make sure I don't overdo these. Usually, I do all that in a session that takes around 15 minutes a day and then leave it be. I went through 2 weeks where the pain was enough to make me use Voltaren gel. The gel is a much better option than a NSAID for this issue, as the sesamoids are almost right under the skin and you avoid all the GI and other issues commonly experienced with NSAID. Reducing pain might seem pointless but pain reduction lessens the need of other body parts to compensate for the painful sesamoids. Rest is paramount so for the first 3-4 weeks I did minimal supplementary training or cardio. After that time I was back on my usual regiment of yoga 4-5 days a week, core and stability work. Stability work ( various exercises each done while standing on one leg) are great at correcting compensatory imbalances I developed to avoid pain. I also rode my bike, but only after the initial 4-5 weeks and I started riding gradually. I do not use road shoes and clipless pedals but regular pedals and my running shoes. This ensures that the sesamoids aren't aggravated by the activity ( while researching the injury found that it hits cyclists quite a bit). For shoes, I switched to a pair with the least drop, widest toebox and firmest insole I could find where I live. I settled for Nike terra kiger wildhorse 3. I wear these whenever I am out. Around the house, I wear crocs or slippers. I also meditate in the morning, keep my sleep schedule consistent and eat only whole plant foods, supplemented with B12, and D. Reading is what kept me sane. I devoured quite a bit of books since getting injured. Chi running, Waterlogged, Running with the Kenyans are some running- related that you might find interesting.
( Stuff that didn't work or made things worse- custom insoles, metatarsal pads, walking everywhere to make myself feel better about not running- bike is much better and naturally leads to walking less )
What are some tactics that you employ?
sesamoids take a while for the swelling/pain to go down. Time off from running and from impact...possible added padding.....ice. Practice stretching/flexing the big toe up and down They usually get irritated from blunt force/impact and repetitive pounding
Thanks! I'm planning on just taking a complete break from running until I have no pain for a few days. I think my shoes were too worn and that is what caused the injury in the first place...
I have been doing daily stretches with my toes as well as icing the ball of my foot 2-3 times a day. The stretches seem to help the most. I just need to start focusing more on stretching my calves as well, because they seem to be extremely tight.
You could try dancers pads
I have always overpronated like crazy, so naturaly i have bought overpronation shoes and it was great, but then i was searching for some shorts in this special running shop and we fell in talk of running shoes, and the salesman said i should try a pair of Altra Paradigm 1.5 and boom my overpronation were gone just like that, so no more high heels for me, i would love to try Hokas but they are to narrow in the toe.
Love the Arahi but it's just a tad too narrow even in 2E. Help me Hoka One, you're my only hope.
Okay, I got both the Arahi 4 and the Gaviota 2. I have low arches and did not feel comfortable running, I felt a lump on my arches from the shoes so I will keep the Arahi 4's but exchanged the Gaviota 2's for another brand. Besides that they are great shoes for running, they are comfortable and responsive, but won't be able to buy any more of them because they are not low arch friendly eve though I got the wide size
Hi,
in a video I can't find again, you suggested to drill holes in the sole to reduce pronation protection of the Clifton's. Can you tell more about it, maybe a picture?
"Or due from running.." Lol I love this channel
I think I learnt quite a bit from this video. I do use orthotics (insoles) and they have helped to a point where I don't use stability shoes, but I still have a problem with adductor, glute and hip flexor, especially when I go up a hill. My left shoe hill also dies out faster. I found that my ITB struggles a bit as a result. I think I will have a long chat with the Podiatrist after running Comrades Marathon this Sunday. Thank you very much Sage
Hi Sage thanks for the video, because I have flat feet I use the New Balance 1080 for road running, but what will be the best for trail running for my feet
Is there any harm/risk for injury by wearing motion control shoes if you DON'T overpronate?
I've been running the Rincon and love them. I'm starting to run trails. What shoe would be the closest to a Rincon Trail shoe? Thanks for all you share!
I run with orthotics to help with support. I suffer from plantar fasciitis, which worsens with speed work. Factoring in orthotics what are your thoughts in shoe selection. I will tell you I am probably the worst kind of runner, a bow legged heal striker.
Good info. How can I evaluate the soles of my last two pair of running shoes to find out if I'm a neutral runner or if I over pronate? What can I look for in terms of wear to determine this? The two shoes I've been running in are Brooks Adrenaline 14 & 15.
what hoka would u suggest if you are supinating? my foot rolls to the outside and is wide.. I want a shoe with a springy ride, energy rebound... used hoka 6 and the feel like they are sucking up my energy, heels hurt and instep feel constricted and too tight. gaviota felt like a brick...I feel like waering the 6's that im sinking back into the heels ,feels weird, no forward momentum..like a car with sacked out rear springs!...Ive wide feet, a small stride, only walk and jog short distances,want confort for my aching heels but also want a springy shoe that aids momentum.. the bondis are absorbing my momentum!
I thought most of Hoka shoes are too expensive. I haven’t owned any of them. But I happy with Asics Gel kayano 27
I’m a flat foot
Anyone have tips for healing a sesamoid (ball of foot injury)? It started bothering me a couple of months ago and I still am unable to run pain free. I have been taking a week off from running at a time to allow time to heal, but after every run when I try to start back, I have pain in the ball of my foot after running. Any tips? I've had it x-rayed at the beginning of the year and they saw no issues. I'm planning on swing a podiatrist next week to have it checked out again.
I apply kinesiotape on the front foot area, just a small piece that basically covers the ball area, stretched so as that it keeps the area supported on inpact. Works like a charm for me..
inflammation and lower pain feeling I recommended:
!!DO NOT DRINK ON AN EMPTY STOMACH!!
Half a teaspoon of olive oil, a half teaspoon of turmeric, a decent pinch of black pepper, a little water (I use boiled water or tea) in small swallow drink.
Rubbing on the painful spot I recommend:
Olive oil with Himalayasalt
That's my personal recommendation, it helped me. As an alternative, I cook turmeric with food, rice, etc.
wish you all the best
I have a medium arch but I still overpronate. I run in neutral shoes up to short distances and in Arahi 3 on my long runs.
Need your expert advice...my left foot is a full size smaller with high arch. My right foot has medium arch and like mentioned a full size larger....so I’ve always sized to my right foot and just dealt with it. I’ve recently switched to Hoka...and for the first time it really negatively impacts me because I love the hokas but it’s now much more obvious that my left foot is way too big...any thoughts or advice? Thanks for your help
I have bad supination which seem to lead to medial shin splints . I'm was on the hoka website but am not sure which one to buy.....any suggestions?
What about stability shoes in trail running? What model options do we have? Thanks
Loving the footage when you are running with gimbal stabilizer.
Paween Utanun Footage 😂😂😂
Great explanation! Well said.
Well this is very informative, i’m planning to switch from nike airmax (neutral) to hoka, but i’m nut sure, should i get neutral or stability shoe?
I tend to supinate sometimes when running and not concentrating on my form.
Also i put around 40-60 km monthly on the shoe.
Mainly i run on roads (asphalt ) and it’s 5 times a week.
For my case :
1-is it a good idea to use stability shoe ?
2- is it better to look for more plush ( cushion ) or less plush ?
thecoldzero911 I'm late here, but I supinate as well. Neutral all the way. Just got the clifton 5 wide, very very happy.
I'm so lost deciding what kind of trail shoe I need. I have mild scoliosis and I think I'm hitting my Right leg harder than my left. I ended up spraining my right knee in October and it really sucked, my knee was catching and scaring me. I wonder if Maximal will help cushion the impact and protect me knee????
I'm always having trouble with picking the right running shoe.I've had brooks and now I bough the saoucony guide 10. but I'm my ankle has been hurting I just thought it's my shoe. I was wondering if I need something else.
So my problem is that I can't really find any fitting shoes. It's either my toes touching the front while walking or my heel slipping (when I go half a size up). What's wrong with my feet?
Mambutu O'Malley How's the width? Sounds like maybe you have narrow feet. Try womens shoes; They'll be narrower.
Reg Dunn Found out that I have a wide forefoot and a narrow heel. Probably one of the more stupid combinations one can have.
Thumbs up for good training videos on your channel Sage! As you mentioned you've been using Cliftons for years, interested to know how many km's you get from a pair before eva starts to lose it? Assuming it's not the upper or outsole that gives up. My weight and gait looks to be pretty same as you..
OK, a question: as you have reviewed shoes for asphalt surfaces, is the Pronation/Stability also an issue for (Ultra)trail runners? I have an overpronation issues and have selected Speedgoat 2 (for long distances, due to good cushioning) and Chalanger ATR 4 for short/medium runs, which both are to be neutral. I have also heard, that in trails pronation is no a big issue because the soft surface can stabilise it. Can you also make a movie about shoes for trails?
Best,
P.
very nice video sage thanks for the information!
Comparing ahahi and gaviota, does gaviota is more suited for people that overpronate moreand arahi for slightly overpronaters?
Thank you in advance
Hi Sage! How often would you recommend replacing running shoes for avoiding injuries? Thanks!
probably when the mid soles start to wear. some people say 300-400 miles but if you can squeeze/fold your shoes fairly easily then it's time
Thank you! Much appreciated
I currently wear Adidas Supernova Sequence Boost as I mildly overpronate. My biggest problem is that every few months of continued activity, I seem to get problems with my Achilles. It doesn't tear, but I do get a lot of pain and stiffness. Is this something that the HOKA Arahi could help with?
If you have an orthotic for high arches do you want a shoe that compensates for your under-pronation or does the orthotic compensate for it so you choose Neutral shoe?
I recently purchase hoka one one gaviota 2 wide thinking it would fix the blister issues with the arahi 3 regular size. I'm having the same issue of blisters on the inside of my foot. Any tips, thank you. (used running socks and doesn't fit the issue, also runners loop.
Sage, what do you recommend over-pronators wear on trails? I know trails provide more variety so your foot isn't hitting the same way every time and there is more variation in ankle movement, but I still get more pronation than normal on those foot strikes that do cause pronation, since I am already prone to it. Thanks!
What type of shoe do you recommend for those with flat feet that don't over-pronate? I'm pigeon-toed so I don't pronate much. Generally, I run in Kinvara's due to the lighter weight with the added cushioning.
Curious if you use the standard inserts that come with the shoes or use something else? Keep up the great work Sage!
Hi ! Can I use stability shoes if i have a high arch? Thank you!
I have some nice new Adidas but the right one gives me heel blisters. How can I stretch out the heel?
I´m thinking about going for the hoka to incorporate the chi running technique..these shoes are for mid foot landing right?
Great video, well explained.
Wow very well explained thank you very much!! :)
I went from neutral Asics to Saucony Grid ISO 2 and my knees are not happy about it. I’m hoping it’s just a matter of getting use to them.
Two months later, how is it? I recently found out Nike vomero 14 was the reason behind my knee pain
Danilo Fratangelo It took a long time, but my knees are fine now. BUT then some of my toes started to hurt during and after a run. I gave up those shoes. Luckily the store replaced them costfree with Brooks Ghost 12 :)
@@MrMisuma thanks for replying! I also gave up on the Vomero, even for casual wearz just a few minutes casually wearing would give me pain. Interestingly, one of my favourite shoes have been the brooks aduro 6, brooks entry level model. It has absolutely nothing special, pretty simple, but it's really hard (firm) and very durable. I look forward to testing other Brooks :) best!
I am supinator, what kind of Hokas is good for me?
Sage, I have been wearing Hoka One One Arahi stability shoes and love them. I have a pair of Speed Goat 2 and they complement the Arahi's, but I was not able to find the perfect size/fit. I wear 12 EE shoes and it seems that Hoka does not do wide shoe sizes except for in the full stability shoes. Is this true? Is it possible to get 12 EE in the Speed Goat?
PLEASE DO ANOTHER SHOE REVIEW!!!!!
what are you thinking about the stupidly expensive Aciscs Metarun??
you delyver to Peru?
whats the difference between hoka and hurricane ? pronation
Any recommendations on shoes for underpronators?
A pair of Dutch clogs.
Can I ask for some advice? I overpronate, however when I have used stability shoes in the past I have ended up with pretty serious arch blisters (especially when I run over 5 miles). In the last year I have been wearing more neutral shoes and these have completely stopped the blisters, I am currently using ASICS Cumulus 18. I would like to try some Hoka shoes, however I am not sure what to go for. I do not want to start experiencing painful arch blisters again, but it would be good to have some stability for my overpronation. Do you have any suggestions? Katie
Katie Hainbach I also find arch support to be painful in many instances as on overpronator. I think it is the medial posts which can cause that pain - curious about the technology in the Hoka stability range.
depends on exactly how much you overpronate. you could get away with a neutral cushioned type of shoe to prevent blisters and if that is more comfortable. Also it could depend on the shoe fit/shape. The curvature of the arch, the depth and how the "in - step" is in the design. In this case it sounds like a matter of trying the shoe on (i.e. Clifton v. Clayton v. Arahi) and just seeing which fits better and doesn't put pressure on the arch that could cause a blister.
Thank you, I will give a few styles a try. Love your channel, find it very helpful.
what if we have flat feet but underpronate unlike most flat footed people?
Kobey Joe I have the same thing going on. Very flat feet but I've rolled my ankle by underpronation so many times
Might be an o-shaped-legs problem. You can train your inner leg muscles to reduce your supination.
If you supinate, you want to use a neutral shoe.
Flat footed people can develop bow legs, but bow legs can be reversed :)
no minimalist hoka shoes ?
Very nice, thank you!
Well explained!
I thought "One" is read as "1". Nice and detail review btw.
MUHAMMAD WITJAKSONO Me too 😂
wait a minute.. it's not "hoka 1 1" ?
Running With stability shoes what a good Trail shoes with hoka
Thanks!
Where do I find the evidence for the 'wet foot test' and 'foot type determines function'? What evidence apart from anecdotal do you use to back your ideas?
sage, theres a spot in the center of most of your videos. I guess its something on the lens.
It's been there for a long time. Lol it bugs the hell out of me
I got sponsored by adidas, but even if i am not, i dont change my adidas adizero adios shoes for anything else.
Astro Runner me too. I love my Adidas. I'm a beginner runner who went to a running store for fitting n bought the new balance 880 $130. Also bought Saucony. They were both very comfortable for walking but running in them makes my shin extremely tired within a mile. I went back to running with my cheap $50 Adidas I bought for the gym yrs ago bc it looks cute...n I had no problems. Within 1 week of training I was able to run a 5k n 3 weeks training a 10k. I love my cheap Adidas so I decided to buy a new model adizero that is just as light n thin bottoms.
Oh boy. Here come the STABILITY SHOES ARE EVIL dumbasses in the comments...just ignore them. Sage actually knows what he is talking about.
Great video Sage!
The science about pronation and over pronation doesn't stand still. So do stability shoes. Shoes that were recommended in shops years ago now look very wrong. The biggest mistake to make is to think your foot gait needs correcting by a piece of plastic. Our ancestors used to run, hunt for hours and didn't wear stability shoes, despite all sorts of foot shape. With the right transition period and the right ankle and ligament strengthening almost anyone who over pronates can run in neutral shoe (an over pronator who used to even wear orthotics and now runs in neutrals). Just don't believe all the marketing hype.
Hey Sage, I have been having some problems finding the right shoe. I have been fitted at my local running store but am still having some issues. My left foot is relatively flat and my right foot is normal or high, I have been running on trails mostly the past few months and love it. I am currently switching between the nike kiger 3 and more recently pearl izumi em trail m2 which is not very comfortable at all but has some stability features. I notice some pins and needles sensation in both feet in the pearls which seems pretty clearly to be no good. I love the wide toe box on the kigers but think I may need some higher volume cushioning for longer runs. I seem to be constantly balancing on pain between my left arch and right knee. Any help would be hugely appreciated because I am spending wayyy to much money on running shoes... says my girlfriend.
thanks - Tristan
Great video, but man get an editor; 18 minutes to give 4 minutes of content.
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