Overall agree, but I think you're over expecting too much player retention from these types of games. For the company, a 3 year lifespan on their game is fine. Great even. These aren't live-service games that are constantly updated like POT, they're just made, released, and if they make a good chunk of money in the first year, it's a success. This isn't a new concept. Hell, it's how games originally were. You bought a pokemon game for your gameboy and it had like 30 hours of content tops and that was it. And I think that's fine for a company to do. They make a product and sell it. Don't misunderstand though, I'm not trying to defend JWE; I still think the pricetag and dlc practices are way overboard, and the gameplay isn't great. Just pointing out how dev's see player retention, and that designing a game with a 10 year plan doesn't make it good, or bad without it.
So we're just going to ignore the fact that the three words that were the reason why this video was made was from an investors live stream that line was to make the investors willing to well invest Go see Evolution Square she made a video explaining this way better than I can in one comment
Im sure if Frontier had full creative freedom over the game and weren't so limited by Universal's licencing restraints to maintain a sort of "marketing requirement" then the game would be so much better we wiuldnt have had 2 sequels, they could have just updated the first game.
Cmon man are you telling me that universal told them not to improve their terrain tools or add new fences, decorations and foliage? Frontier could have done all of these things but they chose not to.
@freddiewilliams3589 not really talking about that, I'm talking about the actual content limitations that they have to adhere to such as the lack of hybrids, the insane amount of dlc they have to pump out to make an actual profit, and the lack of mechanics that would make the game overall more plentiful, but Universal has to decide if it lines up with what they have in mind for the films.
@ Universal only wants to have their film dinos and park aesthetics replicated in game, why would they care if an update added a leaflitter terrain brush or zt2 style water depth for semiaquatics and lagoons. It just feels like Frontier treats this as a cash cow that they can put the bare minimum into, whilst planet zoo gets far more love and content in their dlcs and updates. I'm not gonna trash the 3rd game before we've even seen anything from it, but it needs to be a major step up in terms of creative freedom imo.
@@freddiewilliams3589 still missing the point. Obviously what you're talking about is a problem, but the only reason they haven't done that is because they don't spend as much time on JWE and they favor Planet Zoo because they barely make money from JWE because of the shared license. That's why everything they work on for the game is DLC and they are about to make a 3rd game because Universal needs them too, whilst planet zoo has been worked on for a long time. They put their resources where it gets paid off, and unfortunately as long as Universal gets most of the money from the game, JWE is always going to seem deprived and undeveloped.
... I get you're a critic, but this is a stretch. Theyre heavily flawed, to the point that I have quite a strong love-hate relationship with them, but its not scam... I will say, the robotic aspect of the animals is the biggest flaw of the game for me personally, this is the biggest change I want in the next game. All they would need to do is remove the current system of AI, and add a simpler but more dynamic hunting and socialisation system (and animations), with something akin to the enrichment of Planet Zoo. Basically though, if mods can do to JWE2 what JWE3 will be at base... Im waiting for some pretty severe sales.
you're acting like simply removing the current ai system and making a new one is as easy as telling the dinosaurs how to behave. i dont think its possible to have a game with better ai behavior than this
"I played for a few weeks" Then it wasn't a scam and I disagree strongly with your accusing it of being a scam. Can we stop with the attitude that if you aren't dropping 1000 hours into a game then its crap? I loved the first one and put a lot of fun hours into it. Just cause there are some tweaks you would like made doesn't make it a bad game, much less a scam.
Looking back on it I think you might be reaching here; a lot of what was relentlessly asked for by the community at the time was provided between JWE->JWE2. We got a more coherent tie-in campaign, we got territories, we got food brushes for herbivores, we got more dynamic alpha/intraspecific competition, more biomes, more brushes, and who could forget more variety in our dinosaurs. The only thing we didn't get was a more creation-friendly building system and some of the new features didn't connect with others (e.g. marine species not being able to interact with fliers, etc) I do not believe you can hold JWE2 in the same contempt as Madden/Fifa. Each JWE was supported for at least three years, got additional DLC content of a similar quality to the base game, and retained loopholes that players found engaging (e.g. the Aviary/Lagoon Hatchery 'Glitch'). Frontier as a company has had its ups and downs - but I don't believe Jurassic World Evolution is one of them.
The only thing I think that would be worth wild in the 3rd game would be breeding and semi aquatic animals. Other than that I doubt I’d get the third game.
i agree with this wholeheartedly. i was really hoping that JWE2 would end with a semi-aquatic expansion, but i realize now that i was naive and stupid because why would frontier end the games lifespan with a feature that hopefully will be in the next installment (no the aviaries in JWE dont count, they were on a loop and didnt do shit when they escaped)
You can't say it's a scam when we HAVEN'T even got a trailer yet. I can understand feeling disappointed, but saying it's a scam when, the only thing we know is from a Investor Stream, is a bit of a stretch. This video feels nothing but complain after complain. Countless games are like this, and a 3 - 4 year lifespan is quite common. While the Updates and DLC part I do agree with, not every game needs to be a 1000 Hour experience. That is why people love Pokemon so much, it usually is barely 50 Hours and yet has so much replayability. I would understand if you made this video after a trailer, or after it's first release, but right now? WAY too soon.
honestly no offense goldfish but i’m halfway through the video and everything im hearing is just complaining. I think it’s unfair to expect constant updates from every game, this is something that is a blessing and we should praise developers who do this not expect it as the bare minimum. I think expecting free updates and loads of free content isn’t fair to the developers who actually do this as it lowers the impact of what they’re doing. Games have no obligation to fill their game with free content other than what was promised. Evo 2 did everything they said they’d do just like you said, expecting more as the bare minimum doesn’t make it a scam, being dissapointed with a product that did everything that was advertised is not a scam. It not being handled well is another topic of discussion altogether and an argument to be made that it was done poorly is totally fair but saying the next installment is a scam because it will continue to improve on the previous design but won’t overcommit to big changes is not really fair imo With that being said I usually like your videos and takes but this just didn’t hit for me. I enjoyed the games and although I didn’t play them that much I don’t think a 3rd one would be a scam at all even if it was mostly a reskin with new small additions like the aquatic and aerial content from 2. I’d also like to say that DLCs should exist and they should be paid. Again I think it undersells the impact of developers who give free content like No man’s sky, expecting continued content from games that are not early access is not really realistic or fair to those who actually give them out from the kindness of their heart. Anyways that’s just my 2 cents on the situation
I think id still prefer Jurassic World: Evolution 1 compared to Jurassic World: Evolution 2. I think the Return to Jurassic Park campaign DLC is way better then the main campaign and chaos theory storylines in JWE2. But its also kind of boring as well sometimes where I think they shouldve main some major innovations. Because in reality I think theres a really big lack of creativity when it comes to the campaign, I mean it doesnt have to be perfect but JWE2 seriously lacks indefinitely in story and replayability. There’s also no Ice Age Mammals in either 2 of the games which is a massive disappointment in my opinion. No Woolly Mammoth, no Woolly Rhinoceros, No Paraceratherium, No Megatherium, no Andrewsarchus, no Smilidon, no nothing. Its a huge disappointment and wish they would include them to be honest, with a good campaign as well.
How can you call a fully functional, fun park builder a scam? Because the dinosaurs aren’t up to your expectations, I had a lot of fun with both of these games, but it’s not like frontier made it pay to win, or they’re desperate for money, there’s a lot of care behind these games and you just insulted all of it. I would hope that they do change things for jurassic world evolution 3 but you also don’t mention how in the sequel every paid dlc dinosaur became **FREE** oh and calling a sequel predatory because it doesn’t add much is utter bullshit. Maybe don’t throw every insult under the sun at a beloved game franchise. I do enjoy your videos but I don’t agree with your assessment on this one.
Everyone always hates on it, but hello, The Isle? They have not released A SINGLE DLC or any form of paid content AT ALL, and have continued to give free updates for years, even overhauling the entire game with evrima and basically remaking it, and even THEN we didn't have to pay for the new version. Honestly couldn't care less at this point if Dondi is a childish asshole, because from a financial / consumer's perspectice, we have a great deal here!
@@SilverSabertoothofcourse they wouldnt sell dlc, they are nowhere close to base game’s completion. These free updates dont count as dlc as its literally on the roadmap for the games completion in about another 10 years?
Compared to games such as Dead by Daylight, Ark or The Isle, devs of Jurrasic World Evolution don't look that bad. Personally, I played JWE2 with a tons of mods and had a lot of fun. Without them, game may actually be just average, but it's still better than many other products.
If prehistoric kingdom releases there creature behavior update comes out before Jurassic World evolution three i’m completely dropping the series who am I kidding? I’m not buying that stuff anymore anyway 😂
As someone who played Planet zoo for over 3k hours I can say, sadly Frontier is a very calculating company. They will thoughfully analize if anything is economically benefical for them and nothing else. Throughout the 3 years of Planet zoo we got a total of 3 free animals, everything else was a dlc. The dlc were designed in such a way you had to buy all of them to make sense of it. eg. the South america dlc didn't have all south american animals and you had to buy the grassland, wetlands, tropical and aquatic dlc to get the rest. Many animals also were just reskins, the free ones anyway, but even like 80% of the dlc animals, like the arctic wolf (when there was a timber wolf already). Now they're completely abandoning PZ for PC2 and eventually PZ2. Frontier ain't as bad as EA etc though, they're just very capitalistic.
Tbh i dont mind. they do still listen to the community about issues and ideas for updates and to me thats all i need. Im looking forward to Jurassic World Evolution 3
I share these same issues with PK, although PK looks way better and has more accurate and is a more indepth park builder, it feels pretty hollow once you actually get into it. The animals just sort of idle around and after everything is all built you’re left feeling like there’s nothing left to do, these issues are present in JWE as well so to anyone whose reading this; I want to be clear that I’m not dunking on PK just because, anyway I should’ve just started with the fact that it seems like there’s no current dinosaur zoo builders to go to if you want to experiment with more than *just* a zoo. My favorite part of these games is watching the animals do animal things but after the first time it becomes stale
I do really want to see what how much freedom and how many rules were put in place for developers. Purely because there are so many things that they allow through glitches and never patch out, only patching out ‘gameplay breaking’ You can trap dinosaurs with rocks or decorations but you can’t beat the difficult single player modes through no dinosaurs? It’s such a strange double standard
The Jurassic Franchise has really lost all hype for me when there is basically no innovation from the movies or the games. Any fan projects are shut down cuz Universal usually has plans to release a worse product for more money or just don’t want any competition/interaction with the fan base.
I'm probably not gonna buy JWE3 on day one and wait until a sale comes around. Especially if the base game's release is as lackluster as JWE2 on launch.
there's only 2 things i don't like about the jwe games. 1 is the amount of dinosaurs that have reused animations. if it were only a few i wouldn't mind, but most dinosaurs under the same tier will share the exact same animations with a few exceptions. (some dinosaurs don't even have finishing animations like c'mon) 2 is the fact that most new animals are locked behind DLCs. once again, a couple DLCs wouldn't hurt, but literally MOST new dinosaurs are paid, and there's no excuse for that, the game is already paid, there's no reason to lock so many dinosaurs behind a paywall. i wouldn't go as far as calling them a scam, but these things really annoy me. (ALSO, THEY GOT RID OF THE HERBIVORE FINISHING ANIMATIONS ON CARNIVORES FROM JWE1 LIKE WTF, WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS???)
I feel the same. I didn't buy all JWE2 DLCs, only the dominion ones when they were on sale. I didn't like the fact that they re-sale the hybrids again. If I remember correctly, they announced JWE3 the sometime they released the last DLCs for JWE2. So there's no point in buying the other DLCs. I wish they would let us build our only buildings. I might skip JWE3.
I much prefer Prehistoric Kingdom over JWE, though that also is because PK is a far more relaxing game with a much more flexible building and customization system which fits into a specific niche I prefer, so that of course doesn't make PK "better" as a game, but I personally prefer it to JWE.
The Dino’s are robotic, they should have let Dino’s in the same class share animations, imagine if all the medium theropods shared pooled hunting and social animations, you’d never know what to expect
*Sneeze* Prehistoric Kingdom *Cough* oh sorry, just thought I'd offer a way better Dinosaur Park builder game. I mean, let's look at what Prehistoric Kingdom has over Jurassic Park Evolution: Better building, better animal interactions, more in depth care mechanics and NIGEL MARVEN. Now let's be fair and see what Jurassic Park Evolution has over Prehistoric Kingdom: Jurassic Park paint.... combat.... uh, that's it. If they even want JPE 3 to have a shot, they need to add what makes other park builders actually park builders - give us decorative and customizable options like Planet Zoo and Prehistoric Kingdom, make the Dinosaurs have actual in depth requirements for their health and add a spin to it that neither of the past two games have. Hybrids are a big thing now, I mean Hell, there's an entire Hybrid War going on in the community right now to see who can make the best Hybrid - implement THAT into the new game. Don't just give us Hybrids to make like any other Dinosaur like: Ah yes, you can now make Indominus Rex - NO! Let us make our own combination of Hybrids. Let us get DNA from fossils that we can use and store for future Hybrid making rather than just fully unlocking the genome strand of the Dinosaurs, Let us have no limits in our ability to make Hybrids while having to weigh the options of: Do I make a really big but very aggressive and likely to break out Hybrid to get more money or do I go for a smaller less dangerous Hybrid that still draws in money but not as much and isn't likely to break out? You have so many wonderful opportunities here, stop copy and pasting!
@@SteveTheVloger I know lol, but fr though I'm still going to play it, I played the first and second games and really enjoyed them, so really excited to play this new one. I'm still playing the second game
Yap yap yap, JWE2 was made for the dedicated playerbase and was marketed as such, if you dont belive me the playerbase and sales are smaller than JWE1 (important to note the games reviews are very positive on steam) which are mostly from the dedicated fans, if you ask a fan what they think of the game, they will tell you how much they love it (like me), but the normal casual person tends to not like it as much because it dosent cater to their wants, like a campaign or story, JWE2 is a PARK BUILDER designed for those who want to make a DINOSAUR PARK.
they could've just updated the game, instead they decided to charge full price for a new game that only added a few things. It's scummy behavior, especially after players purchased DLC for the game, only to have none of it carry over to the next game.
This is just yapping you don’t like park builders ? Cool don’t stop the community honestly all you do is complain just cause you say this people are gonna go online and hate also it’s how sequels work people don’t expect gta4 to be updated ??NO!!! Its how sequels work it’s the same game BUT BETTER
Dinos are limited AI behavior.. it have the potential to do more. It's like they're limited and curated not to expand more. I think the game director sucks for his direction
Thease games aren't scams Jurassic world evolution 2 was a big upgrade from the first one Jurassic world evolution game . evolution 3 is probably going to be best one. The main complaint I have about the Jurassic world evolution franchise is that there are too much DLCs and they're they're not being much stuff but it's still really good saying its it's a scam is a very big stretch and in my opinion is not true
I've been one of the very few modders who was against the sequel the moment the rumors started circulating. We don't need a JWE3 and it should've been just a huge update to JWE2 but no, another money grab. I agree with everything you said.
Overall Disagree, they absolutely have flaws, but these games arent designed to be like Prehistoric Kingdom, they're meant to simply mechinically and more accessable, hence the patterns, predictability and limitations. Looking at the start point of JWE, and the end of JWE2, It is an immense update, with the Devs actually listening to fans and changing the game accordingly. I have no doubt that 3 will follow this trend.
the jwe games yeah arent the best thing in the world but there is still a community that likes the game and nobody says that the we love the dlcs but even you said it, the jwe games are good and there is beuty to these projects but i cant say i like your mindset to the new game you are critisizing the game that we barely know anything about and what we know about it its looking good. You just pulled one quote out of many that they said one time doesnt mean it will 100% happen you are just pulling one specific quote to prove that you opinion is the right on and that this game will be a scam just because the games arent exactly what you want them to be and if you want modular building go play prehistoric kingdom that is another park builder that gives variety to the park building games. In conclusion you are pulling one quote out of many to try to prove your point that the new game will be a scam just because the games didnt full all your expectations and thats just bad and i dont think i can tolerate that.
I loved the first jwe’s story mode in my opinion. I absolutely HATED jwe2’s story mode. It was honestly so boring to the point I could barely bring myself to play it. When I finally finished it I was too burnt out to play any of the other modes.
As a huge jwe (especially 2) fan myself, i honestly think we dont need a third game! Plis we are still missing sfuff from CT and CC (I doubt theyll add Becklespinax, alternate sucho model and skins, additonal stegos, anky, sino, brachi skins, etc. It took us so long just to get all the canonical movie creatures! (Minus Teratophoneus Peleroplites amongst others) i feel like we wont get much change, wnd frankly, i dont think we needed a third game
I bought jwe2 on Christmas and had some fun but eventually got bored cause there wasn't any damn thing to do, if I'm being biased here if the 3rd game isn't going to change all that much why should I buy it? if it's just going to be the same game from back when I bought it on Christmas (not last Christmas but Christmas 2 years ago) than I'm just going to have a little sum of enjoyment before losing the fun of the game, maybe I should just take a break from playing these games tbh
Welcome to modern gaming :(. Anywho, do you this jwe2 + 2 dlc is worth for $30 on sale rn? I low key am a park building addict and liked the first one.
Can yall just shut up about PK already? There’s no reason to mention it here. Don’t get me wrong, PK’s amazing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this video, so shut up. Both are games are incredibly different aside from being park builders and having dinosaurs in them, so stop comparing them the way yall do. Just shut up about it.
Although I agree with most of the stuff your saying I will say that frontier and its executives gotta make money. The old saying goes “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”. 3 to 4 years of support is a pretty good lifespan for a game like this especially for a dev team of their size. However you raise good points on the restrictions and limitations both games have that don’t make sense; especially since they made planet zoo which has infinitely better customization and creativity. This is why I will say that Prehistoric Kingdom shows more promise overall with every category that evolution tries to compete in.
I think you're really just being over negative. Frontier was heavily limited by the Xbox One's pathetic limitations. JWE2 had a similar fate because it had to be designed with a much weaker last gen console in mind. This time around it won't be bogged down by such limitations. I don't care for the PK comparisons. Last time I checked they ain't porting to console so if they aren't going to cater to console gamers who don't have the money to buy a strong enough PC then they are irrelevant to me.
I love the jurassic world evolution franchise but tbh we do not need an third game at all, jwe2 was an suprise for me and probably for many too. And the game only offered new animations and builldings/decorations. Jwe3 either gonna be a scam or really mid
honestly jwe3 has me worried cause even jwe2 there was quite a few features from jwe1 that did not get added in intill a good few months since jwe2 released so if that's happened in 2 how much features are going to get dropped so they can make the release? and even if they get them all in, there's a good chance like you said almost nothing will change and that's just sad
If they make it like prehistoric kingdom but with the Jurassic World dinosaurs and a better combat and customization system, I might consider it, but otherwise no.
Unless they make the third game much better, i will not be buying it, honestly. I have JWE 2 and all the DLCs, and it's fine already. Unless they introduce actual new and useful things and QoL changes, I'll pretend JWE 3 doesn't exist.
Hmm. I love it for what it is. This was kind of a weird whinge-fest. Both games have brought me hundreds of hours of much needed disconnection from the world around me.
get prehistoric kingdom if you don’t have it already instead of jwe3. jwe2 is fire, i love it, so im staying with it. if it had smilidon or cenozoic animals i’ll consider it, i then again, pk has that and more, minus the paywall. jwe2 has place in my heart, its pricy as hell but screw it. just don’t get jwe2.
I don’t get why people don’t agree with this You’re buying the same game, over and over and over again. Yes you may find it to some degree enjoyable, but they’re just conning you into dropping money into a game you’ve already essentially played and paid for previously, just with less content
I loved jwe. But jwe2 felt like a mobile game almost. I disliked the amount of micromanagement you had to do to the point it took me hours to build just 3 enclosures. I'll not be pre-ordering jwe3, instead watching gamelan before purchase and likely for a sale.
I bought jwe2 and I play it like once every 6 months, try to make a site B style park and then realize it’s boring and give up. I mean I’m pretty decent at it by now and I know how to make cool looking things but it’s just boring. And I finished the campaign so I have nothing but chaos theory (mid) and challenge mode (useless) at least the first game had a fuck ton of content with the campaign but it took me like a few days to completely finish the second game’s campaign. I love the game and still watch videos on it sometimes but ur right, shits kinda bare
Games always die, do you see anyone playing Gta4, nah cuz GTA5 is the sequel and it's better. Jwe2 in most ways is better and it's been 7 years since jwe1 released.
I have both evolutions and prehistoric kingdom and I can say prehistoric kingdom is better it has both dinosaurs and mammals and they just released baby’s and the best feature of all dryo barrel roll
Did you even play the second game? The difference between 1 and 2 is night and day. Your channel is just negativity for the sake of it these days. Genuinely made me chuckle when Dondi called you a clown when you spoke in his last stream.. because this channel has become a circus, and you are indeed a clown
@@Xaz371 people like drama, if he would only make positive videos he would not have as many subscribers or views, because people are attracted towards negativity
honestly jwe3 has me worried cause even jwe2 there was quite a few features from jwe1 that did not get added in intill a good few months since jwe2 released so if that's happened in 2 how much features are going to get dropped so they can make the release? and even if they get them all in, there's a good chance like you said almost nothing will change and that's just sad
Overall agree, but I think you're over expecting too much player retention from these types of games. For the company, a 3 year lifespan on their game is fine. Great even. These aren't live-service games that are constantly updated like POT, they're just made, released, and if they make a good chunk of money in the first year, it's a success. This isn't a new concept. Hell, it's how games originally were. You bought a pokemon game for your gameboy and it had like 30 hours of content tops and that was it. And I think that's fine for a company to do. They make a product and sell it.
Don't misunderstand though, I'm not trying to defend JWE; I still think the pricetag and dlc practices are way overboard, and the gameplay isn't great. Just pointing out how dev's see player retention, and that designing a game with a 10 year plan doesn't make it good, or bad without it.
Prehistoric Kingdom is 10x better, they have big plans, awesome designs, and regular updates
Edit: Don't get me wrong I still like JWE
Agreed
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Prehistoric Kingdom carries 100%
Nah it’s just that it has accurate dinos so people automatically start glazing it
@AKayani559 so? The game is still really good not just the accurate dinosaurs
So we're just going to ignore the fact that the three words that were the reason why this video was made was from an investors live stream that line was to make the investors willing to well invest
Go see Evolution Square she made a video explaining this way better than I can in one comment
Im sure if Frontier had full creative freedom over the game and weren't so limited by Universal's licencing restraints to maintain a sort of "marketing requirement" then the game would be so much better we wiuldnt have had 2 sequels, they could have just updated the first game.
Cmon man are you telling me that universal told them not to improve their terrain tools or add new fences, decorations and foliage? Frontier could have done all of these things but they chose not to.
@freddiewilliams3589 not really talking about that, I'm talking about the actual content limitations that they have to adhere to such as the lack of hybrids, the insane amount of dlc they have to pump out to make an actual profit, and the lack of mechanics that would make the game overall more plentiful, but Universal has to decide if it lines up with what they have in mind for the films.
@ Universal only wants to have their film dinos and park aesthetics replicated in game, why would they care if an update added a leaflitter terrain brush or zt2 style water depth for semiaquatics and lagoons. It just feels like Frontier treats this as a cash cow that they can put the bare minimum into, whilst planet zoo gets far more love and content in their dlcs and updates. I'm not gonna trash the 3rd game before we've even seen anything from it, but it needs to be a major step up in terms of creative freedom imo.
@@freddiewilliams3589 still missing the point. Obviously what you're talking about is a problem, but the only reason they haven't done that is because they don't spend as much time on JWE and they favor Planet Zoo because they barely make money from JWE because of the shared license. That's why everything they work on for the game is DLC and they are about to make a 3rd game because Universal needs them too, whilst planet zoo has been worked on for a long time. They put their resources where it gets paid off, and unfortunately as long as Universal gets most of the money from the game, JWE is always going to seem deprived and undeveloped.
... I get you're a critic, but this is a stretch.
Theyre heavily flawed, to the point that I have quite a strong love-hate relationship with them, but its not scam... I will say, the robotic aspect of the animals is the biggest flaw of the game for me personally, this is the biggest change I want in the next game. All they would need to do is remove the current system of AI, and add a simpler but more dynamic hunting and socialisation system (and animations), with something akin to the enrichment of Planet Zoo.
Basically though, if mods can do to JWE2 what JWE3 will be at base... Im waiting for some pretty severe sales.
you're acting like simply removing the current ai system and making a new one is as easy as telling the dinosaurs how to behave. i dont think its possible to have a game with better ai behavior than this
"I played for a few weeks" Then it wasn't a scam and I disagree strongly with your accusing it of being a scam. Can we stop with the attitude that if you aren't dropping 1000 hours into a game then its crap? I loved the first one and put a lot of fun hours into it. Just cause there are some tweaks you would like made doesn't make it a bad game, much less a scam.
"Can we stop with the attitude that if you aren't dropping 1000 hours into a game then its crap?" 100%, even i forget this sometimes.
Looking back on it I think you might be reaching here; a lot of what was relentlessly asked for by the community at the time was provided between JWE->JWE2. We got a more coherent tie-in campaign, we got territories, we got food brushes for herbivores, we got more dynamic alpha/intraspecific competition, more biomes, more brushes, and who could forget more variety in our dinosaurs. The only thing we didn't get was a more creation-friendly building system and some of the new features didn't connect with others (e.g. marine species not being able to interact with fliers, etc)
I do not believe you can hold JWE2 in the same contempt as Madden/Fifa. Each JWE was supported for at least three years, got additional DLC content of a similar quality to the base game, and retained loopholes that players found engaging (e.g. the Aviary/Lagoon Hatchery 'Glitch'). Frontier as a company has had its ups and downs - but I don't believe Jurassic World Evolution is one of them.
The only thing I think that would be worth wild in the 3rd game would be breeding and semi aquatic animals. Other than that I doubt I’d get the third game.
i agree with this wholeheartedly. i was really hoping that JWE2 would end with a semi-aquatic expansion, but i realize now that i was naive and stupid because why would frontier end the games lifespan with a feature that hopefully will be in the next installment (no the aviaries in JWE dont count, they were on a loop and didnt do shit when they escaped)
You can't say it's a scam when we HAVEN'T even got a trailer yet. I can understand feeling disappointed, but saying it's a scam when, the only thing we know is from a Investor Stream, is a bit of a stretch. This video feels nothing but complain after complain. Countless games are like this, and a 3 - 4 year lifespan is quite common. While the Updates and DLC part I do agree with, not every game needs to be a 1000 Hour experience. That is why people love Pokemon so much, it usually is barely 50 Hours and yet has so much replayability.
I would understand if you made this video after a trailer, or after it's first release, but right now? WAY too soon.
honestly no offense goldfish but i’m halfway through the video and everything im hearing is just complaining. I think it’s unfair to expect constant updates from every game, this is something that is a blessing and we should praise developers who do this not expect it as the bare minimum. I think expecting free updates and loads of free content isn’t fair to the developers who actually do this as it lowers the impact of what they’re doing. Games have no obligation to fill their game with free content other than what was promised. Evo 2 did everything they said they’d do just like you said, expecting more as the bare minimum doesn’t make it a scam, being dissapointed with a product that did everything that was advertised is not a scam. It not being handled well is another topic of discussion altogether and an argument to be made that it was done poorly is totally fair but saying the next installment is a scam because it will continue to improve on the previous design but won’t overcommit to big changes is not really fair imo
With that being said I usually like your videos and takes but this just didn’t hit for me. I enjoyed the games and although I didn’t play them that much I don’t think a 3rd one would be a scam at all even if it was mostly a reskin with new small additions like the aquatic and aerial content from 2.
I’d also like to say that DLCs should exist and they should be paid. Again I think it undersells the impact of developers who give free content like No man’s sky, expecting continued content from games that are not early access is not really realistic or fair to those who actually give them out from the kindness of their heart.
Anyways that’s just my 2 cents on the situation
I fully agree with you
I think id still prefer Jurassic World: Evolution 1 compared to Jurassic World: Evolution 2.
I think the Return to Jurassic Park campaign DLC is way better then the main campaign and chaos theory storylines in JWE2.
But its also kind of boring as well sometimes where I think they shouldve main some major innovations.
Because in reality I think theres a really big lack of creativity when it comes to the campaign, I mean it doesnt have to be perfect but JWE2 seriously lacks indefinitely in story and replayability.
There’s also no Ice Age Mammals in either 2 of the games which is a massive disappointment in my opinion.
No Woolly Mammoth, no Woolly Rhinoceros, No Paraceratherium, No Megatherium, no Andrewsarchus, no Smilidon, no nothing.
Its a huge disappointment and wish they would include them to be honest, with a good campaign as well.
How can you call a fully functional, fun park builder a scam? Because the dinosaurs aren’t up to your expectations, I had a lot of fun with both of these games, but it’s not like frontier made it pay to win, or they’re desperate for money, there’s a lot of care behind these games and you just insulted all of it. I would hope that they do change things for jurassic world evolution 3 but you also don’t mention how in the sequel every paid dlc dinosaur became **FREE** oh and calling a sequel predatory because it doesn’t add much is utter bullshit. Maybe don’t throw every insult under the sun at a beloved game franchise. I do enjoy your videos but I don’t agree with your assessment on this one.
Yep, we're cooked gang....
What dinosaur game isn’t a scam at this point?
Pot isles saurian prehistoric kingdom and beasts of Bermuda don’t seem that scammy(yes Ik this was a joke)
Everyone always hates on it, but hello, The Isle? They have not released A SINGLE DLC or any form of paid content AT ALL, and have continued to give free updates for years, even overhauling the entire game with evrima and basically remaking it, and even THEN we didn't have to pay for the new version. Honestly couldn't care less at this point if Dondi is a childish asshole, because from a financial / consumer's perspectice, we have a great deal here!
@@SilverSabertoothofcourse they wouldnt sell dlc, they are nowhere close to base game’s completion. These free updates dont count as dlc as its literally on the roadmap for the games completion in about another 10 years?
in his eyes every dinosaur game that is mot the isle is
Prehistoric kingdom. They have never given up working on it and listen to there community.
Compared to games such as Dead by Daylight, Ark or The Isle, devs of Jurrasic World Evolution don't look that bad. Personally, I played JWE2 with a tons of mods and had a lot of fun. Without them, game may actually be just average, but it's still better than many other products.
If prehistoric kingdom releases there creature behavior update comes out before Jurassic World evolution three i’m completely dropping the series who am I kidding? I’m not buying that stuff anymore anyway 😂
All
It needs is babies semi-aquatics and better modding capabilities and it’s worth it.
"Be the Alpha and incubate your very own squad of raptors" 😂
As someone who played Planet zoo for over 3k hours I can say, sadly Frontier is a very calculating company. They will thoughfully analize if anything is economically benefical for them and nothing else. Throughout the 3 years of Planet zoo we got a total of 3 free animals, everything else was a dlc. The dlc were designed in such a way you had to buy all of them to make sense of it. eg. the South america dlc didn't have all south american animals and you had to buy the grassland, wetlands, tropical and aquatic dlc to get the rest. Many animals also were just reskins, the free ones anyway, but even like 80% of the dlc animals, like the arctic wolf (when there was a timber wolf already). Now they're completely abandoning PZ for PC2 and eventually PZ2. Frontier ain't as bad as EA etc though, they're just very capitalistic.
I think I’m going to wait for actual information about the new one instead of taking a single interview with the CEO as proof of the end times lol
The second game was basically a re-sell with more maps and Dinos.
Tbh i dont mind. they do still listen to the community about issues and ideas for updates and to me thats all i need. Im looking forward to Jurassic World Evolution 3
They lured me in with the feathered dinos pack. Never again.
I share these same issues with PK, although PK looks way better and has more accurate and is a more indepth park builder, it feels pretty hollow once you actually get into it. The animals just sort of idle around and after everything is all built you’re left feeling like there’s nothing left to do, these issues are present in JWE as well so to anyone whose reading this; I want to be clear that I’m not dunking on PK just because, anyway I should’ve just started with the fact that it seems like there’s no current dinosaur zoo builders to go to if you want to experiment with more than *just* a zoo.
My favorite part of these games is watching the animals do animal things but after the first time it becomes stale
Well that is an early access game.
I do really want to see what how much freedom and how many rules were put in place for developers. Purely because there are so many things that they allow through glitches and never patch out, only patching out ‘gameplay breaking’ You can trap dinosaurs with rocks or decorations but you can’t beat the difficult single player modes through no dinosaurs? It’s such a strange double standard
tbh i mostly agree i hope they make "Jwe3" a jpog remaster and jwe2 keeps getting updates
Truer words have never been spoken, I'm very thankful at least someone made a video on this issue.
Oh hey there Mecha, didn't expect you here lol.
The Jurassic Franchise has really lost all hype for me when there is basically no innovation from the movies or the games. Any fan projects are shut down cuz Universal usually has plans to release a worse product for more money or just don’t want any competition/interaction with the fan base.
I'm probably not gonna buy JWE3 on day one and wait until a sale comes around. Especially if the base game's release is as lackluster as JWE2 on launch.
there's only 2 things i don't like about the jwe games.
1 is the amount of dinosaurs that have reused animations.
if it were only a few i wouldn't mind, but most dinosaurs under the same tier will share the exact same animations with a few exceptions.
(some dinosaurs don't even have finishing animations like c'mon)
2 is the fact that most new animals are locked behind DLCs.
once again, a couple DLCs wouldn't hurt, but literally MOST new dinosaurs are paid, and there's no excuse for that, the game is already paid, there's no reason to lock so many dinosaurs behind a paywall.
i wouldn't go as far as calling them a scam, but these things really annoy me.
(ALSO, THEY GOT RID OF THE HERBIVORE FINISHING ANIMATIONS ON CARNIVORES FROM JWE1 LIKE WTF, WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS???)
I feel the same. I didn't buy all JWE2 DLCs, only the dominion ones when they were on sale. I didn't like the fact that they re-sale the hybrids again. If I remember correctly, they announced JWE3 the sometime they released the last DLCs for JWE2. So there's no point in buying the other DLCs. I wish they would let us build our only buildings. I might skip JWE3.
I feel you’re just saying that you dont like park building games and that’s why it’s a scam.
I much prefer Prehistoric Kingdom over JWE, though that also is because PK is a far more relaxing game with a much more flexible building and customization system which fits into a specific niche I prefer, so that of course doesn't make PK "better" as a game, but I personally prefer it to JWE.
The Dino’s are robotic, they should have let Dino’s in the same class share animations, imagine if all the medium theropods shared pooled hunting and social animations, you’d never know what to expect
*Sneeze* Prehistoric Kingdom *Cough* oh sorry, just thought I'd offer a way better Dinosaur Park builder game.
I mean, let's look at what Prehistoric Kingdom has over Jurassic Park Evolution: Better building, better animal interactions, more in depth care mechanics and NIGEL MARVEN.
Now let's be fair and see what Jurassic Park Evolution has over Prehistoric Kingdom: Jurassic Park paint.... combat.... uh, that's it.
If they even want JPE 3 to have a shot, they need to add what makes other park builders actually park builders - give us decorative and customizable options like Planet Zoo and Prehistoric Kingdom, make the Dinosaurs have actual in depth requirements for their health and add a spin to it that neither of the past two games have. Hybrids are a big thing now, I mean Hell, there's an entire Hybrid War going on in the community right now to see who can make the best Hybrid - implement THAT into the new game. Don't just give us Hybrids to make like any other Dinosaur like: Ah yes, you can now make Indominus Rex - NO! Let us make our own combination of Hybrids. Let us get DNA from fossils that we can use and store for future Hybrid making rather than just fully unlocking the genome strand of the Dinosaurs, Let us have no limits in our ability to make Hybrids while having to weigh the options of: Do I make a really big but very aggressive and likely to break out Hybrid to get more money or do I go for a smaller less dangerous Hybrid that still draws in money but not as much and isn't likely to break out? You have so many wonderful opportunities here, stop copy and pasting!
2 was already a scam
Bro is right everybody in the comments who disagree don’t understand the only way to get what we want is to talk with our wallets
Sooo am I not allowed to enjoy the jwe series
Nope, you have to play the isle which is not a scam at all!
@@SteveTheVlogerthat's sounds biased af lol
@gabrieltarin yeah I was being sarcastic
@@SteveTheVloger I know lol, but fr though I'm still going to play it, I played the first and second games and really enjoyed them, so really excited to play this new one. I'm still playing the second game
Really seems like it as he’s complaining about how much of a minority his opinion is.
Yap yap yap, JWE2 was made for the dedicated playerbase and was marketed as such, if you dont belive me the playerbase and sales are smaller than JWE1 (important to note the games reviews are very positive on steam) which are mostly from the dedicated fans, if you ask a fan what they think of the game, they will tell you how much they love it (like me), but the normal casual person tends to not like it as much because it dosent cater to their wants, like a campaign or story, JWE2 is a PARK BUILDER designed for those who want to make a DINOSAUR PARK.
they could've just updated the game, instead they decided to charge full price for a new game that only added a few things. It's scummy behavior, especially after players purchased DLC for the game, only to have none of it carry over to the next game.
Now this, is yap here.
@@m003e3 I agree, i never understood why they made an whole new game for a few new buildings/animations/decorations. Could just be an update 😭
Can you make a video about prehistoric kingdom? I would love to here your thoughts on it.
This is just yapping you don’t like park builders ? Cool don’t stop the community honestly all you do is complain just cause you say this people are gonna go online and hate also it’s how sequels work people don’t expect gta4 to be updated ??NO!!! Its how sequels work it’s the same game
BUT BETTER
Frontier needs to step there game up prehistoric kingdom looking better each update
1:38 iirc nasutoceratops was a free update for the first game
Dinos are limited AI behavior.. it have the potential to do more. It's like they're limited and curated not to expand more. I think the game director sucks for his direction
Prehistoric Kingdom!!!
Thease games aren't scams Jurassic world evolution 2 was a big upgrade from the first one Jurassic world evolution game . evolution 3 is probably going to be best one. The main complaint I have about the Jurassic world evolution franchise is that there are too much DLCs and they're they're not being much stuff but it's still really good saying its it's a scam is a very big stretch and in my opinion is not true
I’m so scared because I need all my dlc to transfer to jwe3
I've been one of the very few modders who was against the sequel the moment the rumors started circulating. We don't need a JWE3 and it should've been just a huge update to JWE2 but no, another money grab. I agree with everything you said.
Overall Disagree, they absolutely have flaws, but these games arent designed to be like Prehistoric Kingdom, they're meant to simply mechinically and more accessable, hence the patterns, predictability and limitations.
Looking at the start point of JWE, and the end of JWE2, It is an immense update, with the Devs actually listening to fans and changing the game accordingly.
I have no doubt that 3 will follow this trend.
the jwe games yeah arent the best thing in the world but there is still a community that likes the game and nobody says that the we love the dlcs but even you said it, the jwe games are good and there is beuty to these projects but i cant say i like your mindset to the new game you are critisizing the game that we barely know anything about and what we know about it its looking good. You just pulled one quote out of many that they said one time doesnt mean it will 100% happen you are just pulling one specific quote to prove that you opinion is the right on and that this game will be a scam just because the games arent exactly what you want them to be and if you want modular building go play prehistoric kingdom that is another park builder that gives variety to the park building games. In conclusion you are pulling one quote out of many to try to prove your point that the new game will be a scam just because the games didnt full all your expectations and thats just bad and i dont think i can tolerate that.
wow
im still gonna buy it tho
I loved the first jwe’s story mode in my opinion. I absolutely HATED jwe2’s story mode. It was honestly so boring to the point I could barely bring myself to play it. When I finally finished it I was too burnt out to play any of the other modes.
They should focus on PLANET ZOO 2 instead
I assume the third would be the biggest and most expanse. If they fail to do that then i will pirate it lol
As a huge jwe (especially 2) fan myself, i honestly think we dont need a third game! Plis we are still missing sfuff from CT and CC (I doubt theyll add Becklespinax, alternate sucho model and skins, additonal stegos, anky, sino, brachi skins, etc. It took us so long just to get all the canonical movie creatures! (Minus Teratophoneus Peleroplites amongst others) i feel like we wont get much change, wnd frankly, i dont think we needed a third game
People are so thirsty for anything Jurassic park that is moderately good they will take anything
I kinda agree
I remember thinking that the idea of making another game was bad it’s like why not just continue updating the first game
the game be more fun if we could play as the dino's
I bought jwe2 on Christmas and had some fun but eventually got bored cause there wasn't any damn thing to do, if I'm being biased here if the 3rd game isn't going to change all that much why should I buy it? if it's just going to be the same game from back when I bought it on Christmas (not last Christmas but Christmas 2 years ago) than I'm just going to have a little sum of enjoyment before losing the fun of the game, maybe I should just take a break from playing these games tbh
Pretty much depends what campaign you like more and you get that one if you want to play (also how you want to feed the herbivores and make habitats)
Finally swobody said it!
I am ready for disappointment for JWE2.
Also y’all be ready for my own game which is similar to JWE but better (more inspired by ZT2 and JPOG).
Welcome to modern gaming :(. Anywho, do you this jwe2 + 2 dlc is worth for $30 on sale rn? I low key am a park building addict and liked the first one.
@Benny_B0O0 100%. That's a solid deal, and the 2nd game is still an improvement from the first
Can yall just shut up about PK already? There’s no reason to mention it here. Don’t get me wrong, PK’s amazing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this video, so shut up. Both are games are incredibly different aside from being park builders and having dinosaurs in them, so stop comparing them the way yall do. Just shut up about it.
truer words have never been spoken
Never bought a singe JP builder, never will 🤣
Although I agree with most of the stuff your saying I will say that frontier and its executives gotta make money. The old saying goes “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”. 3 to 4 years of support is a pretty good lifespan for a game like this especially for a dev team of their size. However you raise good points on the restrictions and limitations both games have that don’t make sense; especially since they made planet zoo which has infinitely better customization and creativity. This is why I will say that Prehistoric Kingdom shows more promise overall with every category that evolution tries to compete in.
Honestly...i don't have any high hopes for this game
I think you're really just being over negative. Frontier was heavily limited by the Xbox One's pathetic limitations. JWE2 had a similar fate because it had to be designed with a much weaker last gen console in mind. This time around it won't be bogged down by such limitations. I don't care for the PK comparisons. Last time I checked they ain't porting to console so if they aren't going to cater to console gamers who don't have the money to buy a strong enough PC then they are irrelevant to me.
unrelated note, have you seen that fossils and archaeology for minecraft FINALLY updated???
I love the jurassic world evolution franchise but tbh we do not need an third game at all, jwe2 was an suprise for me and probably for many too. And the game only offered new animations and builldings/decorations. Jwe3 either gonna be a scam or really mid
honestly jwe3 has me worried cause even jwe2 there was quite a few features from jwe1 that did not get added in intill a good few months since jwe2 released so if that's happened in 2 how much features are going to get dropped so they can make the release? and even if they get them all in, there's a good chance like you said almost nothing will change and that's just sad
im just gonna stick with the real 1st og jurassic park game JPOG with all its new mods since 2003
If they make it like prehistoric kingdom but with the Jurassic World dinosaurs and a better combat and customization system, I might consider it, but otherwise no.
Unless they make the third game much better, i will not be buying it, honestly. I have JWE 2 and all the DLCs, and it's fine already. Unless they introduce actual new and useful things and QoL changes, I'll pretend JWE 3 doesn't exist.
Hmm. I love it for what it is. This was kind of a weird whinge-fest. Both games have brought me hundreds of hours of much needed disconnection from the world around me.
get prehistoric kingdom if you don’t have it already instead of jwe3. jwe2 is fire, i love it, so im staying with it. if it had smilidon or cenozoic animals i’ll consider it, i then again, pk has that and more, minus the paywall. jwe2 has place in my heart, its pricy as hell but screw it. just don’t get jwe2.
I don’t get why people don’t agree with this
You’re buying the same game, over and over and over again. Yes you may find it to some degree enjoyable, but they’re just conning you into dropping money into a game you’ve already essentially played and paid for previously, just with less content
Probably cause this video seems very harsh and negative despite there being no trailer whatsoever.
Park builders 🥱
I loved jwe. But jwe2 felt like a mobile game almost. I disliked the amount of micromanagement you had to do to the point it took me hours to build just 3 enclosures. I'll not be pre-ordering jwe3, instead watching gamelan before purchase and likely for a sale.
i will say at least the game works
Yay new vid
Goldfish are you ganna talk about PK?
I bought jwe2 and I play it like once every 6 months, try to make a site B style park and then realize it’s boring and give up. I mean I’m pretty decent at it by now and I know how to make cool looking things but it’s just boring. And I finished the campaign so I have nothing but chaos theory (mid) and challenge mode (useless) at least the first game had a fuck ton of content with the campaign but it took me like a few days to completely finish the second game’s campaign. I love the game and still watch videos on it sometimes but ur right, shits kinda bare
I agree
I really hope it's not
Horrible opinion, i fully disagree with everything you have said. Thanks for the video
@@jasnoor33 🤙
Games always die, do you see anyone playing Gta4, nah cuz GTA5 is the sequel and it's better. Jwe2 in most ways is better and it's been 7 years since jwe1 released.
This Video will Go Hard on Mute! 😝
Like I'll still buy JWE3 no matter what!!! I love dino park builders 😂
wouldn't you rather they just update the game you already bought...
@m003e3 we are living in real life not dreams bro
@ you shouldn't have to dream for a 70 dollar game to change some aspects of the previous game. The cope is insane
@@m003e3 today's game companies don't care
Calm down you two, have your share of opinions and uhh, be nice?
I have both evolutions and prehistoric kingdom and I can say prehistoric kingdom is better it has both dinosaurs and mammals and they just released baby’s and the best feature of all dryo barrel roll
Yay back in my feed!
Bro you play The Isle 😂?
the isles a scam ?
oh yeah more dino rants
Blub
Nuh uh
Cough, cough, Prehistoric kingdom is so much better, cough cough
Great vid
Did you even play the second game? The difference between 1 and 2 is night and day. Your channel is just negativity for the sake of it these days. Genuinely made me chuckle when Dondi called you a clown when you spoke in his last stream.. because this channel has become a circus, and you are indeed a clown
Who's the negative hater here?
@goldfishmentality Mine is retaliatory. I miss when you used to make content. Now you just critique stuff, and with an extremely negative eye.
@@Xaz371 people like drama, if he would only make positive videos he would not have as many subscribers or views, because people are attracted towards negativity
@@ANGLER_YT Just ashame to see people sell out for what gets them clicks on a video
@@goldfishmentalityYOU talking about sum oh they’re basically the same game when they literally aren’t
just play prehistoric kingdom - constant smart updates and wholesome devs
idk bout SCAM but a shit game
honestly jwe3 has me worried cause even jwe2 there was quite a few features from jwe1 that did not get added in intill a good few months since jwe2 released so if that's happened in 2 how much features are going to get dropped so they can make the release? and even if they get them all in, there's a good chance like you said almost nothing will change and that's just sad