I think they could do feathered Omnis as a default skin and when you unlock mutations they lose their feathers, but you still can choose whether or not you want Omni/Utah with feathers.
@JasmineBrown-ud2yf yea but it be annoying to have a mutation when you could just choose in the skin editor or smth, or it could be like JP3 where males have quills and females done
3:30, I want to emphasis the importance of knowing what Utahraptor is and the difference between it and other Dromeosaurs. The fundamental morphology of Utahraptor is much different than that of Omniraptor. Utahraptor is a bulky, endurance hunter that relied on its heft with shorter powerful legs and jaws that would occupy a spot similar to Ceratosaurus. Omniraptor follows the agile raptor philosophy like Velociraptor, Deinonychus and Dakotaraptor but on a much larger scale. Utahraptor is the Tyrannosaurus of the dromeosaurid family while Omniraptor is the Albertosaurine if I were to give an analogy. I’m not defending Omniraptor, I’d much rather them actually choosing Dakotaraptor and make it sparsely feathered like a JP3 raptor than the blatant JP raptor rip off. Utahraptor is not a scaled up Velociraptor, it’s bulky, has shorter legs and is much more built for ambush and endurance and is able to tackle larger prey 1 on 1 like Gastonia. The Isle’s Utahraptor since the beginning is wrong. It’s just a scaled up Deinonychus or Dakotaraptor. Utahraptor is much different as an animal and skeletal wise.
I think adding Dakotaraptor isn’t a good idea for the replacement of Omni. Mainly because at least imo it’s a nomen dubium (which is also why I wish troodon was actually stenonychosaurus in this game). Deinonychus could actually function very well as Omni’s replacement as being the “Wolf of the isle”; deinonychus could still function as bleeders and have to rely on big numbers for taking on bigger animals. Even though making them work in packs and making them rely on bleed with their sickle claws isn’t accurate; how else would you make them distinct enough from Utah?.
@@DinoDude8269You’re right, Utahraptor’s niche is already taken by the likes of other mid sized predators. I’m not voting for it to be added because it would basically be a Ceratosaurus minus the decaying scavenger aspect. I said Dakotaraptor since it was similar in size but I’m also okay with Deinonychus. I really do hope they consider changing the name of Omniraptor because it isn’t needed. They could just scale up Deinonychus and call it that. One creature I hope gets added is Megaraptor but it would probably be an Allosaurus reskin especially since they’ll both function the same way. Oh well.
@@user-eh3ve6nt2t I think Utah is distinct enough from cera to give it a more unique playstyle. There have been some specimens of Utah like BYUVP 7510-18078 to be estimated up to 777 kilo’s (take that for what you will). Although I think this is too much for the game I still think by making it at least faster than cera with worse stam and the ability to jump and pounce could provide something unique. And also there is a ceratosaurus specimen called BYUVP 12893 that is *claimed* to be biggest found yet; however this specimen hasn’t been described yet.
Finally someone who hates Omni as much as I do, tho I hate it for some other reasons aswell that are rooted in Legacy and somewhat remain in Evrima. Edit: when it comes to Omni's design, I will always think that feathered raptors are cooler, like yea it's not the most original take to love Prehistoric Planet designs but it's actually the thing that made me like Velociraptor, the design and behaviour they gave it are really damn cool.
@ then don’t complain, I’m a POT veteran and the whole time I really really just wanted to play as a cool and strong looking raptor but no so when I now have the isle I would want to play the raptor I was looking for
Just wanted to throw these in: 1. I played the isle ever since it released to early access.. The Utahraptor sounded wastely different when it just released. Like very different. I remember dondi wasn't happy about it but he didn't want to make it sound like the jurassic park raptors in fear of getting into trouble but eventually the sound was changed to sound like the raptors from jurassic park.. I preferred the first calls the Utah had. 2. The velociraptors in jurassic park are actually Utahs but at the time the producers didn't know (I think it was also wastely unknown that the Utah was no Velo lmao) I wish they wouldn't try to copy cat JP for some of the popular dinosaurs in game :T At least dilo didn't get those frills or whatever those were called
Well actually ☝🏽🤓, the raptor from Jurassic Park was supposed to be Deinonychus (he was the raptor from the Book) even artwork and art for praticle effect team work on the suit and animatronics called it Deinonychus but speilberg feard that the name was to complicated and thought that Velociraptor (who was well known with the discovery of the fossilied protoceratops fight/hunt and the discovery of feather marking emplacement on the arms during the Dinosaur renaissance) inspire fear and was eassier to pronounce and recgonise (more catchy), they rename Deinonychus into Velociraptor, and we need to wait 1994 One year after the release of Jurassic Park in the Big sceeen, to officialise the species Utahraptor, at the time it was possible (but it just a theory) that some fossiles of Deinonychus that were exposed in museum and presented to Michael Crichton (the autor of Jurassic Park novel) were actually fossil of Utahraptor (a nanotyranus or Torosaurus situation) and Michael thought that Deinonychus could achive this size, but Utahraptor was Official discovered and recgonise in 1994
JP (movie) raptor is an upscaled Deinonychus because the dinosaurs Dr Grant is excavating are called Velociraptor antirrhopus, the old name before it was moved into its own genus. However, I swear in the novel Dr Wu says something about the park raptor being V. mongoliensis, which would make these the real Velociraptor. But the Velociraptor in the novel are overpowered and are even less accurate than the ones in Jurassic World cuz they can do things like chew through steel.
The raptors weren’t utahs because Utah raptors wasn’t discovered until after Jurassic park. If you want to play as a more realistic raptor go to path of titans
Hot take: Omniraptor should have held the niche that Herrera does as a deadly tree climbing ambush predator. It even has the sickle claw that it can use to climb trees and would help differentiate it from the current JP raptor ripoff that it is and would be unique to have a raptor that is more interesting than “it’s a pack hunter because JP made it a trope”.
I understand why people don’t like the Omniraptor but honestly I really love the Jurassic Park references. Essentially since Jurassic Park won’t ever make its own survival game.
Btw I agree with you that Uhtah and Omni might be to similar but real life Uhtahraptor is significantly larger than both omniraptor and the actual Jurassic park raptors, with another difference being Uhtah had a stronger bite force, serrated teeth, and it would be too heavy to pounce so I think they could be fairly different
im with you. its crazy how because it looks because its the raptor from JP it gets so much hate for literally no reason. most of them dont understand how bad playing an accurate veloci would be in this game. Not to mention the inaccuracies in a majority of the dinos in the isle, yet this one breeds the most hate XD thank god the devs wont get rid of it for the few that dont like it. they can go play PoT if they want prehistoric planet accuracy and leave the omni tf alone lol
I hope when they add the new Utahraptor they remove Omniraptor because Omni wouldn’t really be worth keeping and if they are making Utah more accurate to the reality life dinosaurs then it would probably be stronger and heavier then Omni
Maybe the reason I have no problem with the Raptor design is because I never really watched JP so I don't make any connection to it. My only problem is that they changed the name from Utahraptor to "oMnIrApToR". For the record, I would have no problem if they simply changed the design and made the Utah more realistic. What bothers me is that instead of doing that they changed it's name to some dumb made up garbage. And now they talk about introducing utah as a seperate species? It's dumb. If people have a problem with the design they should just change the design, not rename it to some made up slop. Doing that doesn't address the actual problem people have, and just makes the animal even more irritating than it already was. And introducing Utah as a separate species wouldn't eliminate the existence of "oMnIrApToR" which is what people have a problem with.
Yea agree I like the Jp raptor design but calling it a stupid name and making what it used to be to a different thing is just stupid they could have just made a Jp raptor with feathers
Utah was my main in legacy, and I probably have more hours on it than any other creature in both versions of the game. I don't want them to change it. It's callback to jp, yeah, but I find that to be part of its charm. I am thankful that the devs care enough about the utah playerbase to not erase it from the game. I'd miss it.
it also has a lot of the nostalgia for legacy in it. I feel like Utah/Omni is the only thing tying evrima to its roots. It would feel not right without it
Honestly I understand where the devs were coming from with omniraptor. It harkens back to a Dondi stream I watched before EVRIMA was announced. Someone in chat asked him about JP, and he replied something along the lines of "The Isle is only being made so that I can get the money to afford to make a proper Jurassic Park game". From then everything makes sense now. The Isle is essentially attempting to emulate the vibes of every good idea JP made. Omniraptor is a byproduct of that development philosophy. Love it or hate it, omniraptor is a core aspect of JP that was always going to be added. The semi-realism philosophy is only used when the rule of cool says so. In this scenario JP raptors used the rule of cool to supersede semi-realism.
I think the reasoning for it is because the vast majority of people don’t understand that raptors didn’t look like that. Plus, it makes appealing to the average person much more easy if they look at something they recognize already. Marketing it’s not a horrible idea. I do, however, understand why dinosaur aficionados would be a little upset.
and i also dont think people realize that though some were exaggerated to make them bigger or more scary, MOST of the dinos in JP were as accurate as far as they were known in the 90s.
I'm pretty new to the isle, but my instant reaction to the game has been that it feels like a homage to Jurassic park more than anything. Even down to the Dilophosaur and troodon having venom. Also it seems to be heavily implied that most of the dinosaurs are heavily genetically engineered, mutated or hybridized with different species, like with the Herrerasaurus seemingly being a iguana hybrid.
The reason why we're getting both omniraptor n utahraptor, is cause the money n time that has been spent on omniraptor is already there n done. So instead of scraping near years of work, just making another playable that functionally is the same is a fine option n one that Im okay with 👍
I feel like the devs trying to include Omniraptor & Utahraptor in the same game displays a pattern of them trying to have their cake and eat it too. The devs are willing to degrade the overall experience of the game as long as they get their way in the end.
Feel like this is missing the mark somewhat. The tributes to JP will help draw people to the game through familiarity, and A LOT of people have very fond memories of the JP franchise from growing up. I would preferably see a feathered Utah compared to what we have now, and I can't really see the need to have 2 different raptors, but I see no need to hate what we have now either.
I feel like what draws people to this game is the concept of actually trying to make a dinosaur horror game where *YOU* are the monster. Not familiar designs from another franchise; but that’s just me. Afterthought should strive to be distinct from other IP’s not base a playable after one of their characters.
@@DinoDude8269 Yes, and that is working. Raptor design is not an issue regarding that. I agree to an extent, but not nearly to the point where this even is an issue worth discussing at length. And besides, I also feel like the Isle community is overly negative, maybe that's also a bit why I have started to balance the negativity as of late.
@ I agree that it’s very arbitrary and doesn’t truly matter in the grand scheme of things I just got my gripes with it. I whole heartedly agree that the community is way too toxic at times; I would say the devs tend to be right 60% of the time while the community is 40% right. Don’t get me wrong the devs make questionable decisions regarding balance (I.E. Carno, Maia, bucking, and pinning) but for the most part they tend to be correct.
Would be nice if they expanded the skin pattern system by having sertain dinosaurs have modle variants. Like for example Omni, Galimimus, And troodon get feathered modle Variant but just like skin patterns they are just cosmetic. So now you could customize your dinosaur to look more accurate if you like that meanwhile others who prefer the more inaccurate designs can still use them.
"Omniraptor is not a real species" Well, neither is Troodon. And doesn't this game's lore involve extreme genetic modification in the form of the Magna and Hypo strains anyways? Dondi never wanted this game to be unique, any realistic aspect of the game is a means to an end for him, he *wants* the game to be about "superior man made monsters" crushing their creators as well as natural wild life itself. And yes, that sucks ass.
Speaking of Utahraptor I have never played The Isle and this idea is probably not as good as I think... But I would REALLY love for Utah to not just be a "JP Raptor that actually existed" Utahraptor IRL was more heavily-built and not particularly fast. And it would be cool to have these features be incorporated in the game (At least, in my opinion). Make it a comparatively slower, yet physically stronger group-hunting "small" carnivore, the group of which would be able to threaten even the mid-sized carnivores. And yes, Austro, Herrera, and even Omni would still be able to run away from them, but if they're not carefull or just being cocky - they'll likely get mauled to death. Though, again, I haven't played this game, so don't take my suggestions seriously. It would likely either not work in this game, or there's already some another animal, which takes that role. And, even if it's just a reskin of an Omniraptor, I wouldn't mind it too much.
My biggest issue with omni is that it's just really awkward for solo play. I don't enjoy it at all even before they broke it in that update a few months back.
I didn't realise the isle rex roar was like JP, as I haven't heard it yet, but with how many new sounds are out that are flat out terrifying for rex, they should use those new sounds instead. Especially since they keep advertising this damn game as a horror experience (BS). Horror for nothing but my patience.
I honestly think if they make utahraptor exactly the same as omniraptor but have unique calls and be a bit bigger, it could be a solution... Just make it cooler until no one plays omni anymore because featehered raptor badass XD
I love raptors in the isle, so I was curious to hear the opposite opinion. (I understand people's dissatisfaction with them!) If I were given a choice between a feathered raptor, I would choose the JP version. But that doesn't mean it's because of the similarities. I just prefer reptiles to birds (I think they looks cooler and more interesting). So, If they decide to remove them and replace them with birds, I will be very upset :(
Isnt the isle literally supposed to take place in jurassic park after the place got fucked up? Thats why there are still parts of human buildings and stuff and why troodon and dilo have venom like in jp.
Hard agree, I miss their very old utah raptor, it looked and sounded good. It was still trying to be close to JP, but it had enough going for it that it was still unique
They also steal audio from other Jurassic Park animals. There is another Evrima-specific example you can hear with Stegosaurus, particularly when it's young, lol.
I have always thought this and never seen anyone talk about it. Although I love stego’s broadcast it is hard to ignore how eerily similar it is to the lost world’s stegosaurus
MINMI ON TOP. In my opinion this game is not about full realism and the backstory of the game is enable them to make dinos what they currently have. - Hypsilophodon in real life was never like what it is now but this creature is adorable with the feathers. - Herrerasaurus in real life never climbed nor had frog sounds. It could be a same land locked animal like the rest of the roster but with climb it is more fun. Also the body design is only slightly reminds of a real herrerasaurus. - Ceratosaurus never had bacteria bite which caused creatures to vomit also in real life it was slightly smaller but the size nearly okay. - Maia never ran as fast as it does in the Isle (hordetest) - Diablo was roughly 1,5-2,1 tons but accept they wanted make it bulkier. - Omniraptor is a partly JP copy paste because in real life this creature never existed most likely but design wise looks quite okay. - Troodon in reality may not existed, currently there are debates on it existed or not. The Venom part is just an extra to make it more viable but not realistic. - Carnotaurus was originally larger it was close to the real size of it but the reduced size still fits more or less. - Deinosuchus basically an enlarged nile Crocodile with similar sounds however in reality it looked slightly different (more or less the same but few things missing from it) - Beipi more or less never was a duck like in this game and likely it was not a swimmer rather a scavenger. - Dryosaurus was around half a ton and it was partly a herd animal with little to no burrowing capabilities but the burrowing giving it some safeguard. What I want to say is this game is not based on a full realistic dino life simulation but rather one which involves us humans and our love to play god and modify existed creatures how we likes. Does this make sense for realism? No? Does this makes the game more interesting and maybe little more fun? Probably Yes.
Omniraptor should be: Have a feather coated body, be able to climb trees and glide(maybe even give it aerial attacks like pouncing on its prey mid air - something like herrera), change the fucking calls to be something not to scream everytime "JURRASIC PARK/WORLD COPYRIGHTS IS HERE, KILL ME NOW!".
I gave up trying to understand the isle devs mindset after lies upon lies given, themselves blowing they re ego, remaking the game a billion times, not being able to mod the game (at the current time) ect... The isle devs just dont care about the community, thinking all the devs' decisions are always right whilst the community is wrong. The whole ankylosaurus debate for instance is just one of the most ridiculous and a waste of time for everyone because the devs dont want to be proven wrong. And while there is always gonna be good devs in the isle, the "infamous" ones just overshadows them.
devs just so lazy a$$es who cant make actual utahraptor with feathers(still, they made hypsi LMAO), so the omniraptor is just a crutch. btw, newer heard that isle was supposed to be realistic game. i mean, we got humans AND dinosaurs in one time period. and the isle lore is bassicaly an alt story of JP
Dondiraptor was a better name tbh Also, why was it renamed from utahraptor to omni in the first place? Am i crazy for thinking omni was utah at one point???
I do believe they could make Utah distinct enough from Omni. Utah should be more focused on raw damage than bleed and should be bulkier with a slower speed. However my main problem is that even IF they accomplish this Omni will still feel somewhat out of place. I do think its design works in tandem with the horror aspect of this game; however a feathered paleo accurate Utah could accomplish this goal WAY easier. I have personally never been scared or creeped out by Omni’s in this game and that’s simply because its design is too recognizable to JP and that ruins the immersion for me. I think Omni’s play style is cool but the recent balance changes and its overall design has ruined that for me imo. I think they should just remove Omni from the game altogether once Utah is added.
I don't mind Omniraptor. Maybe it's because I have no interest in playing The Isle until it's complete (so never), but I can understand Afterthought's reasoning behind it. You like Jurassic Park? You like the raptors from that movie? You wish there was a game where you could play as them? Check out our game. That'll be $20, please. It's not the most innovative marketing tactic, but it works. Does it look weird next to Austroraptor? Yes. Do I care? No. There's not much design to care about in the first place. I wouldn't mind a more unique redesign, but I'm not loosing sleep over it. I'm also indifferent to the name. The only thing it has in common with a Utahraptor is being tall enough to look a man in the eyes. If you showed a picture of it to someone without any context and asked them what it is, they'd probably say something like "that's a raptor from Jurassic Park." Not "that's Utahraptor ostrommaysi, described by Kirkland et al. in 1993." I do find it funny that Afterthought's solution to the raptor being a JP copy was the exact same as Primal Carnage though.
I don’t mind omni at all but it honestly infuriates me that the devs are so dead set on realism yet they’re perfectly fine with having the jp raptor in the game. Like- pick one please.
The Jurrasic world stuff actually look pretty good in this game including the omni you just randomly yapp a lot just because it’s like Jurrasic parks raptors in design and calls isn’t really a bad thing many people cry about that to often that’s literally the mascot of the isle removing it is gonna be stupid
tbf slap some feathers on it, change the name to Utahraptor, and then most of your arguments start to sound like "i don't like it, because i don't like it". Also regarding the sounds, i WISH we had JP sounds, the only thing that remotely comes close to imitation is the 1 call. Every call in JP is better then Omni's calls. Flat out.
3:17 I am actually very passionate about this topic. I hate omni's design so much. As you stated in the video it feels out of place and somewhat cheesy. It breaks immersion and it feels like it just shouldered its way into the roster next to the beautiful feathered beast that is utah for no real good reason. Another thing that I hate about it is it completely throws of the scale of the isle. It's already hard to tell how big dinos in isle are because trees and things are generally taller than they should be, but throw in an omni that is a blatant ripoff of the very well known and scaled JP raptors despite being some 15 feet longer makes your brain automatically scale everything down to the scale of the JP raptors when you see another dino next to omni, making everything in the game feel small and even weak, a feeling that should NOT be felt in a game about dinosaurs. Im sorry if that bit was jumbled but I am very sleep deprived and can barely put together a sentence; besides that, my point with the scale still stands, I hate omni
I love the isle raptor, because…. I WANT TO PLAY A JURASSIC PARK RAPTOR THAT NO OTHER GAME GIVES. And yeah I’d be fine with a jp3 one to but don’t change the calls, or anything except increase the crests and add quills. It’s simply un democratic and un fair, a large portion of the isles community LOVES the way omni is designed and it’s not fair that their opinions can be overshadowed by another just because they have more subscribers
Why have two different playables called omni and utah when they can just add the utah variant as a skin? Personally I'd get rid of omni and make a utah with omni stats, but if nostalgic people want the omni, make utah a SKIN at least....
Omni's are bigger and differently proportioned and postured from the jp raptors. They are clearly inspired and pay homage to the jp raptors but not an exact copy or rip off, the omni raptor fits the isles asthetic and lore nicely. As an artist and lover of dinosaurs and dinosaur artwork and paleo art, the isles omniraptor is about as similar to jp as it is to any depiction of large dromeosaurids from the 90s and before. As for sound effects. Ark survival also has similar sounds its fine, Goldfish man you're killin me with all this non issue talk. Its okay to be a dino hipster, but this ideology isn't the end all be all. Beauty is in the eye of tge beholder. Like hell anyone else windering why the isles carno is like "an exact carbon cop"y of Jurassic worlds carno? No, why because a: not true b: its a dinosaur it should look like a dinosaur. the omniraptor is unarguably a depiction of a dinosaur. Even looking at the thumbnail its easy to identify the isles raptor from parks.
And it makes me angry because why not at least make them feathered or instead of Omni just add dakotaraptor and I don’t even play this game also Mimi supremacy
0:31 non leur crâne sont un peu différent en plus du corps plus massif et robuste omniraptor en effet c’est ~ 5m , 450 kg>>> ~ 3.9m,150 kg jp/ jw raptor De plus omniraptor ressemble plus a un utahraptor sans plume d’un jp/ jw raptor car il est moin maigre et donc plus semble a un utahraptor style jp sur le plan global corporel
So it is one of the less accurate or non existent dinos in the game but it looks like it belongs. none of the dinos break the immersion, theres nothing wrong with the calls. JP fans like being able to play as the best dino in the movie series and it feels authentic as far as the aesthetic of the map and rest of the dinos. if im beuing completely honest, it sounds like most of your deaths come from the omniraptors and out of saltiness you made a whole youtube video about your OPINION on the character. luckily the devs wont listen to this and keep it in there because playing as an accurate velociraptor would be the equivalent of a mini ground ptera. its just useless compared to the other dinos in the game. the omni vs scientifically accurate velocis, the omni wins. its just fun.
All these jabs make me laugh so gd hard. These were great points and I agree with all of them but somehow I feel like their biggest response to any criticism will be "That sucks buddy."
Compy, Gali, and Rex's Broadcast are a bit of a reach tbh especially the first 2 but Omniraptor is a dumbass name and is just really lame/always has been even before it was renamed
Bro has a discord??? No way!! discord.gg/MFxxt4P5
At 10k subs I'll stream the Isle for 24 hours btw...
Just being honest, the Omniraptor looks almost exactly like The Isle Utahraptor, just being honest.
Because it is
@@katyusha9319 No way 😱🤯
@@katyusha9319HOLY SHIT YOURE RIGHT
Are the last two people joking or did they actually forget that the Omniraptor was called Utahraptor until update 6
@@katyusha9319damn bro how’d you know tell us tell us
I'll never fully understand the thought process for having both Omni and Utah.
To satisfy both people n to not waste time n money spent on the former
especially since... yk... omniraptor used to literally be called utah
If Evrima Utah is anything like the real life Utahraptor they can absolutely work
At this point, the devs should just make a dinosaur animated series around all that lore with the hypos and stuff
I think they could do feathered Omnis as a default skin and when you unlock mutations they lose their feathers, but you still can choose whether or not you want Omni/Utah with feathers.
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@jakiepoo123 I think that idea is great. Both side wins for who like or dislike the feathers
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@JasmineBrown-ud2yf yea but it be annoying to have a mutation when you could just choose in the skin editor or smth, or it could be like JP3 where males have quills and females done
@jakiepoo123 that's a better idea honestly
“a great descriptor for their company overall”
OMG SO TRUE
THE COMMUNITY IS AN AFTERTHOUGHT TO THEM
3:30, I want to emphasis the importance of knowing what Utahraptor is and the difference between it and other Dromeosaurs. The fundamental morphology of Utahraptor is much different than that of Omniraptor. Utahraptor is a bulky, endurance hunter that relied on its heft with shorter powerful legs and jaws that would occupy a spot similar to Ceratosaurus. Omniraptor follows the agile raptor philosophy like Velociraptor, Deinonychus and Dakotaraptor but on a much larger scale. Utahraptor is the Tyrannosaurus of the dromeosaurid family while Omniraptor is the Albertosaurine if I were to give an analogy.
I’m not defending Omniraptor, I’d much rather them actually choosing Dakotaraptor and make it sparsely feathered like a JP3 raptor than the blatant JP raptor rip off.
Utahraptor is not a scaled up Velociraptor, it’s bulky, has shorter legs and is much more built for ambush and endurance and is able to tackle larger prey 1 on 1 like Gastonia.
The Isle’s Utahraptor since the beginning is wrong. It’s just a scaled up Deinonychus or Dakotaraptor. Utahraptor is much different as an animal and skeletal wise.
I think adding Dakotaraptor isn’t a good idea for the replacement of Omni. Mainly because at least imo it’s a nomen dubium (which is also why I wish troodon was actually stenonychosaurus in this game). Deinonychus could actually function very well as Omni’s replacement as being the “Wolf of the isle”; deinonychus could still function as bleeders and have to rely on big numbers for taking on bigger animals. Even though making them work in packs and making them rely on bleed with their sickle claws isn’t accurate; how else would you make them distinct enough from Utah?.
@@DinoDude8269You’re right, Utahraptor’s niche is already taken by the likes of other mid sized predators. I’m not voting for it to be added because it would basically be a Ceratosaurus minus the decaying scavenger aspect. I said Dakotaraptor since it was similar in size but I’m also okay with Deinonychus. I really do hope they consider changing the name of Omniraptor because it isn’t needed. They could just scale up Deinonychus and call it that.
One creature I hope gets added is Megaraptor but it would probably be an Allosaurus reskin especially since they’ll both function the same way. Oh well.
@@user-eh3ve6nt2t I think Utah is distinct enough from cera to give it a more unique playstyle. There have been some specimens of Utah like BYUVP 7510-18078 to be estimated up to 777 kilo’s (take that for what you will). Although I think this is too much for the game I still think by making it at least faster than cera with worse stam and the ability to jump and pounce could provide something unique. And also there is a ceratosaurus specimen called BYUVP 12893 that is *claimed* to be biggest found yet; however this specimen hasn’t been described yet.
Finally someone who hates Omni as much as I do, tho I hate it for some other reasons aswell that are rooted in Legacy and somewhat remain in Evrima.
Edit: when it comes to Omni's design, I will always think that feathered raptors are cooler, like yea it's not the most original take to love Prehistoric Planet designs but it's actually the thing that made me like Velociraptor, the design and behaviour they gave it are really damn cool.
@@ALunaticWithAShotgun I knew you'd be hyped for this one 😆
@@goldfishmentality lmao
You know if you want to play feathered dinosaurs, you could go to path of titans and not ruin the dinosaur we like to play?
@jakiepoo123 "Ruin" as if Omni could look any worse than it already does lmao.
Also I aint touching PoT with a 10 foot stick
@ then don’t complain, I’m a POT veteran and the whole time I really really just wanted to play as a cool and strong looking raptor but no so when I now have the isle I would want to play the raptor I was looking for
The isle shouldve just added a feathered option for utah/omni instead of just renaming it and making a new one with feathers. simple as that.
Just wanted to throw these in:
1. I played the isle ever since it released to early access.. The Utahraptor sounded wastely different when it just released. Like very different. I remember dondi wasn't happy about it but he didn't want to make it sound like the jurassic park raptors in fear of getting into trouble but eventually the sound was changed to sound like the raptors from jurassic park.. I preferred the first calls the Utah had.
2. The velociraptors in jurassic park are actually Utahs but at the time the producers didn't know (I think it was also wastely unknown that the Utah was no Velo lmao)
I wish they wouldn't try to copy cat JP for some of the popular dinosaurs in game :T
At least dilo didn't get those frills or whatever those were called
Well actually ☝🏽🤓, the raptor from Jurassic Park was supposed to be Deinonychus (he was the raptor from the Book) even artwork and art for praticle effect team work on the suit and animatronics called it Deinonychus but speilberg feard that the name was to complicated and thought that Velociraptor (who was well known with the discovery of the fossilied protoceratops fight/hunt and the discovery of feather marking emplacement on the arms during the Dinosaur renaissance) inspire fear and was eassier to pronounce and recgonise (more catchy), they rename Deinonychus into Velociraptor, and we need to wait 1994 One year after the release of Jurassic Park in the Big sceeen, to officialise the species Utahraptor, at the time it was possible (but it just a theory) that some fossiles of Deinonychus that were exposed in museum and presented to Michael Crichton (the autor of Jurassic Park novel) were actually fossil of Utahraptor (a nanotyranus or Torosaurus situation) and Michael thought that Deinonychus could achive this size, but Utahraptor was Official discovered and recgonise in 1994
JP (movie) raptor is an upscaled Deinonychus because the dinosaurs Dr Grant is excavating are called Velociraptor antirrhopus, the old name before it was moved into its own genus. However, I swear in the novel Dr Wu says something about the park raptor being V. mongoliensis, which would make these the real Velociraptor. But the Velociraptor in the novel are overpowered and are even less accurate than the ones in Jurassic World cuz they can do things like chew through steel.
@@thebestgaminginotter4573Utahraptor was described in 1993, shortly after JP released.
The raptors weren’t utahs because Utah raptors wasn’t discovered until after Jurassic park. If you want to play as a more realistic raptor go to path of titans
Hot take: Omniraptor should have held the niche that Herrera does as a deadly tree climbing ambush predator. It even has the sickle claw that it can use to climb trees and would help differentiate it from the current JP raptor ripoff that it is and would be unique to have a raptor that is more interesting than “it’s a pack hunter because JP made it a trope”.
I understand why people don’t like the Omniraptor but honestly I really love the Jurassic Park references. Essentially since Jurassic Park won’t ever make its own survival game.
Btw I agree with you that Uhtah and Omni might be to similar but real life Uhtahraptor is significantly larger than both omniraptor and the actual Jurassic park raptors, with another difference being Uhtah had a stronger bite force, serrated teeth, and it would be too heavy to pounce so I think they could be fairly different
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Am I the only person who doesn't give a solitary fuck what it looks like
im with you. its crazy how because it looks because its the raptor from JP it gets so much hate for literally no reason. most of them dont understand how bad playing an accurate veloci would be in this game. Not to mention the inaccuracies in a majority of the dinos in the isle, yet this one breeds the most hate XD thank god the devs wont get rid of it for the few that dont like it. they can go play PoT if they want prehistoric planet accuracy and leave the omni tf alone lol
I hope when they add the new Utahraptor they remove Omniraptor because Omni wouldn’t really be worth keeping and if they are making Utah more accurate to the reality life dinosaurs then it would probably be stronger and heavier then Omni
Yet again if you want to play accurate dinosaurs PLAY PATH IF TITANS don’t ruin the playable we enjoy
@ I didn’t really like path of titans too much
Plus I’m not really looking for accurate dinosaur as long they don’t look too unrealistic
@jakiepoo123 stop crying bro
nah omni is cool
Guys, I beg you.. Never tell this man about the Lost world jurassic park movie, the scene with baby stego to be precise.. He will die on spot!
The most common Pop culture and JP reference after the raptor seems to be the frilled Dilophosaurus that spits out venom.
"this video is dumb, enjoy your omniraptor" xD
Raptors in Jurassic Park 🗿
Raptors in Isle Evrima 🤡
Maybe the reason I have no problem with the Raptor design is because I never really watched JP so I don't make any connection to it. My only problem is that they changed the name from Utahraptor to "oMnIrApToR". For the record, I would have no problem if they simply changed the design and made the Utah more realistic. What bothers me is that instead of doing that they changed it's name to some dumb made up garbage. And now they talk about introducing utah as a seperate species? It's dumb. If people have a problem with the design they should just change the design, not rename it to some made up slop. Doing that doesn't address the actual problem people have, and just makes the animal even more irritating than it already was. And introducing Utah as a separate species wouldn't eliminate the existence of "oMnIrApToR" which is what people have a problem with.
Yea agree I like the Jp raptor design but calling it a stupid name and making what it used to be to a different thing is just stupid they could have just made a Jp raptor with feathers
Utah was my main in legacy, and I probably have more hours on it than any other creature in both versions of the game. I don't want them to change it. It's callback to jp, yeah, but I find that to be part of its charm. I am thankful that the devs care enough about the utah playerbase to not erase it from the game. I'd miss it.
Finally someone saying this totally agree
Yo narsku how’s it been (distix69) here lol
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it also has a lot of the nostalgia for legacy in it. I feel like Utah/Omni is the only thing tying evrima to its roots. It would feel not right without it
Honestly I understand where the devs were coming from with omniraptor. It harkens back to a Dondi stream I watched before EVRIMA was announced. Someone in chat asked him about JP, and he replied something along the lines of "The Isle is only being made so that I can get the money to afford to make a proper Jurassic Park game". From then everything makes sense now. The Isle is essentially attempting to emulate the vibes of every good idea JP made. Omniraptor is a byproduct of that development philosophy. Love it or hate it, omniraptor is a core aspect of JP that was always going to be added. The semi-realism philosophy is only used when the rule of cool says so. In this scenario JP raptors used the rule of cool to supersede semi-realism.
The only thing I hate about Omni's design is the lack of feathers.
My brain cells died listening too the first few minutes.
I think the reasoning for it is because the vast majority of people don’t understand that raptors didn’t look like that. Plus, it makes appealing to the average person much more easy if they look at something they recognize already. Marketing it’s not a horrible idea. I do, however, understand why dinosaur aficionados would be a little upset.
and i also dont think people realize that though some were exaggerated to make them bigger or more scary, MOST of the dinos in JP were as accurate as far as they were known in the 90s.
I'm pretty new to the isle, but my instant reaction to the game has been that it feels like a homage to Jurassic park more than anything.
Even down to the Dilophosaur and troodon having venom.
Also it seems to be heavily implied that most of the dinosaurs are heavily genetically engineered, mutated or hybridized with different species, like with the Herrerasaurus seemingly being a iguana hybrid.
U popped the fuck off with the script, I genuinely laughed during this video, honestly great
@@50895 ayyy much appreciated. I try me darndest
Just give us an option to add feathers when picking a color
They should either remodel it or give omni some kinda subspecies where its feathered OR SOMEONE MAKE A MOD AND MAKE HIM FEATHERED
I hate it for having a attack that allows it to get free damage with no cost
The reason why we're getting both omniraptor n utahraptor, is cause the money n time that has been spent on omniraptor is already there n done. So instead of scraping near years of work, just making another playable that functionally is the same is a fine option n one that Im okay with 👍
maybe the utah raptor is in the game to satisfy both parties.
I feel like the devs trying to include Omniraptor & Utahraptor in the same game displays a pattern of them trying to have their cake and eat it too. The devs are willing to degrade the overall experience of the game as long as they get their way in the end.
Feel like this is missing the mark somewhat. The tributes to JP will help draw people to the game through familiarity, and A LOT of people have very fond memories of the JP franchise from growing up. I would preferably see a feathered Utah compared to what we have now, and I can't really see the need to have 2 different raptors, but I see no need to hate what we have now either.
I feel like what draws people to this game is the concept of actually trying to make a dinosaur horror game where *YOU* are the monster. Not familiar designs from another franchise; but that’s just me. Afterthought should strive to be distinct from other IP’s not base a playable after one of their characters.
@@DinoDude8269 Yes, and that is working. Raptor design is not an issue regarding that. I agree to an extent, but not nearly to the point where this even is an issue worth discussing at length. And besides, I also feel like the Isle community is overly negative, maybe that's also a bit why I have started to balance the negativity as of late.
@ I agree that it’s very arbitrary and doesn’t truly matter in the grand scheme of things I just got my gripes with it. I whole heartedly agree that the community is way too toxic at times; I would say the devs tend to be right 60% of the time while the community is 40% right. Don’t get me wrong the devs make questionable decisions regarding balance (I.E. Carno, Maia, bucking, and pinning) but for the most part they tend to be correct.
@@Rammbukk definitely, I'm just a hater. But I agree it is objectively not a bad thing
Would be nice if they expanded the skin pattern system by having sertain dinosaurs have modle variants.
Like for example Omni, Galimimus,
And troodon get feathered modle Variant but just like skin patterns they are just cosmetic.
So now you could customize your dinosaur to look more accurate if you like that meanwhile others who prefer the more inaccurate designs can still use them.
"Omniraptor is not a real species" Well, neither is Troodon. And doesn't this game's lore involve extreme genetic modification in the form of the Magna and Hypo strains anyways? Dondi never wanted this game to be unique, any realistic aspect of the game is a means to an end for him, he *wants* the game to be about "superior man made monsters" crushing their creators as well as natural wild life itself. And yes, that sucks ass.
this man cooks everytime frfr
Speaking of Utahraptor
I have never played The Isle and this idea is probably not as good as I think... But I would REALLY love for Utah to not just be a "JP Raptor that actually existed"
Utahraptor IRL was more heavily-built and not particularly fast. And it would be cool to have these features be incorporated in the game (At least, in my opinion). Make it a comparatively slower, yet physically stronger group-hunting "small" carnivore, the group of which would be able to threaten even the mid-sized carnivores. And yes, Austro, Herrera, and even Omni would still be able to run away from them, but if they're not carefull or just being cocky - they'll likely get mauled to death.
Though, again, I haven't played this game, so don't take my suggestions seriously.
It would likely either not work in this game, or there's already some another animal, which takes that role.
And, even if it's just a reskin of an Omniraptor, I wouldn't mind it too much.
Hype realistic dinosaur survival game when their most favoured dinosaur is a JP dinosaur knockoff
My biggest issue with omni is that it's just really awkward for solo play. I don't enjoy it at all even before they broke it in that update a few months back.
Instead of adding the awesome and totally unique Barinasuchus, they want to add a Omni clone...*Slow clapping* Bravo Devs....Bravo.
ah yes, a man of culture I see. Barinasuchus would be dope
I didn't realise the isle rex roar was like JP, as I haven't heard it yet, but with how many new sounds are out that are flat out terrifying for rex, they should use those new sounds instead. Especially since they keep advertising this damn game as a horror experience (BS). Horror for nothing but my patience.
I personally love omnis design. Was the name change needed? No. But it’s still a pretty good design imo, and fits the feel of the isle.
JUST MAKE ALL THE INACCURATE ONES FEATHERED!!! RAHHHH!!!!!
i also love how isle players cry about inaccuracies but hate on Path of Titans......thats just dumb
We love low effort discussion videos 🔥🔥🔥🙏🙏🙏 (marvel rivals mentioned)
He’s used the same background footage like 4 times now 💀 (I still liked it)
@TheKingofCoral I use the same Backround footage for my vids too 💀🙏
I hope that atleast one of the devs is watching your videos
I honestly think if they make utahraptor exactly the same as omniraptor but have unique calls and be a bit bigger, it could be a solution... Just make it cooler until no one plays omni anymore because featehered raptor badass XD
I love raptors in the isle, so I was curious to hear the opposite opinion. (I understand people's dissatisfaction with them!) If I were given a choice between a feathered raptor, I would choose the JP version. But that doesn't mean it's because of the similarities. I just prefer reptiles to birds (I think they looks cooler and more interesting). So, If they decide to remove them and replace them with birds, I will be very upset :(
Isnt the isle literally supposed to take place in jurassic park after the place got fucked up? Thats why there are still parts of human buildings and stuff and why troodon and dilo have venom like in jp.
Hard agree, I miss their very old utah raptor, it looked and sounded good. It was still trying to be close to JP, but it had enough going for it that it was still unique
Dienonuchus is right there.
So true
They also steal audio from other Jurassic Park animals. There is another Evrima-specific example you can hear with Stegosaurus, particularly when it's young, lol.
I have always thought this and never seen anyone talk about it. Although I love stego’s broadcast it is hard to ignore how eerily similar it is to the lost world’s stegosaurus
MINMI ON TOP.
In my opinion this game is not about full realism and the backstory of the game is enable them to make dinos what they currently have.
- Hypsilophodon in real life was never like what it is now but this creature is adorable with the feathers.
- Herrerasaurus in real life never climbed nor had frog sounds. It could be a same land locked animal like the rest of the roster but with climb it is more fun. Also the body design is only slightly reminds of a real herrerasaurus.
- Ceratosaurus never had bacteria bite which caused creatures to vomit also in real life it was slightly smaller but the size nearly okay.
- Maia never ran as fast as it does in the Isle (hordetest)
- Diablo was roughly 1,5-2,1 tons but accept they wanted make it bulkier.
- Omniraptor is a partly JP copy paste because in real life this creature never existed most likely but design wise looks quite okay.
- Troodon in reality may not existed, currently there are debates on it existed or not. The Venom part is just an extra to make it more viable but not realistic.
- Carnotaurus was originally larger it was close to the real size of it but the reduced size still fits more or less.
- Deinosuchus basically an enlarged nile Crocodile with similar sounds however in reality it looked slightly different (more or less the same but few things missing from it)
- Beipi more or less never was a duck like in this game and likely it was not a swimmer rather a scavenger.
- Dryosaurus was around half a ton and it was partly a herd animal with little to no burrowing capabilities but the burrowing giving it some safeguard.
What I want to say is this game is not based on a full realistic dino life simulation but rather one which involves us humans and our love to play god and modify existed creatures how we likes. Does this make sense for realism? No? Does this makes the game more interesting and maybe little more fun? Probably Yes.
omni is cool idgaf
Gotta love Walmart Raptors
I mean Omniraptors
Factual and maybe even verifiable
Yay new vid
Omniraptor should be: Have a feather coated body, be able to climb trees and glide(maybe even give it aerial attacks like pouncing on its prey mid air - something like herrera), change the fucking calls to be something not to scream everytime "JURRASIC PARK/WORLD COPYRIGHTS IS HERE, KILL ME NOW!".
I gave up trying to understand the isle devs mindset after lies upon lies given, themselves blowing they re ego, remaking the game a billion times, not being able to mod the game (at the current time) ect...
The isle devs just dont care about the community, thinking all the devs' decisions are always right whilst the community is wrong.
The whole ankylosaurus debate for instance is just one of the most ridiculous and a waste of time for everyone because the devs dont want to be proven wrong.
And while there is always gonna be good devs in the isle, the "infamous" ones just overshadows them.
did bro seriously mention OverWatch in a dinosaur video💀
1:16 holy shit when did you learn word play like this lol (keep it up)
They should have just kept them called utharaptor
feathered omni when
Feathered theropods when
Isn't The Isle just supposed to be "fucked up Jurassic Park" anyway? I don't get why people think omni raptor doesn't belong there if that's the case
literally just a carbon copy
wait they are adding another utha???????????????
Spinosaurus is the worst of them all 🤢
devs just so lazy a$$es who cant make actual utahraptor with feathers(still, they made hypsi LMAO), so the omniraptor is just a crutch.
btw, newer heard that isle was supposed to be realistic game. i mean, we got humans AND dinosaurs in one time period. and the isle lore is bassicaly an alt story of JP
Dondiraptor was a better name tbh
Also, why was it renamed from utahraptor to omni in the first place? Am i crazy for thinking omni was utah at one point???
I do believe they could make Utah distinct enough from Omni. Utah should be more focused on raw damage than bleed and should be bulkier with a slower speed. However my main problem is that even IF they accomplish this Omni will still feel somewhat out of place. I do think its design works in tandem with the horror aspect of this game; however a feathered paleo accurate Utah could accomplish this goal WAY easier. I have personally never been scared or creeped out by Omni’s in this game and that’s simply because its design is too recognizable to JP and that ruins the immersion for me. I think Omni’s play style is cool but the recent balance changes and its overall design has ruined that for me imo. I think they should just remove Omni from the game altogether once Utah is added.
To be fair I would apply the same hate to Troodon kind of just a pop culture rip off (even if they changed the model a little)
I don't mind Omniraptor. Maybe it's because I have no interest in playing The Isle until it's complete (so never), but I can understand Afterthought's reasoning behind it. You like Jurassic Park? You like the raptors from that movie? You wish there was a game where you could play as them? Check out our game. That'll be $20, please. It's not the most innovative marketing tactic, but it works. Does it look weird next to Austroraptor? Yes. Do I care? No. There's not much design to care about in the first place. I wouldn't mind a more unique redesign, but I'm not loosing sleep over it. I'm also indifferent to the name. The only thing it has in common with a Utahraptor is being tall enough to look a man in the eyes. If you showed a picture of it to someone without any context and asked them what it is, they'd probably say something like "that's a raptor from Jurassic Park." Not "that's Utahraptor ostrommaysi, described by Kirkland et al. in 1993."
I do find it funny that Afterthought's solution to the raptor being a JP copy was the exact same as Primal Carnage though.
I don’t mind omni at all but it honestly infuriates me that the devs are so dead set on realism yet they’re perfectly fine with having the jp raptor in the game. Like- pick one please.
No reason to change their name. Utah was fine. And the old utah model looked a bit more unique yk..
The Jurrasic world stuff actually look pretty good in this game including the omni you just randomly yapp a lot just because it’s like Jurrasic parks raptors in design and calls isn’t really a bad thing many people cry about that to often that’s literally the mascot of the isle removing it is gonna be stupid
tbf slap some feathers on it, change the name to Utahraptor, and then most of your arguments start to sound like "i don't like it, because i don't like it". Also regarding the sounds, i WISH we had JP sounds, the only thing that remotely comes close to imitation is the 1 call. Every call in JP is better then Omni's calls. Flat out.
3:17 I am actually very passionate about this topic. I hate omni's design so much. As you stated in the video it feels out of place and somewhat cheesy. It breaks immersion and it feels like it just shouldered its way into the roster next to the beautiful feathered beast that is utah for no real good reason. Another thing that I hate about it is it completely throws of the scale of the isle. It's already hard to tell how big dinos in isle are because trees and things are generally taller than they should be, but throw in an omni that is a blatant ripoff of the very well known and scaled JP raptors despite being some 15 feet longer makes your brain automatically scale everything down to the scale of the JP raptors when you see another dino next to omni, making everything in the game feel small and even weak, a feeling that should NOT be felt in a game about dinosaurs. Im sorry if that bit was jumbled but I am very sleep deprived and can barely put together a sentence; besides that, my point with the scale still stands, I hate omni
@azuresstuff I didn't even think of that but I agree
I was thinking about this this morning wth 😂
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Omnibrraptor
I think omniraptors design is fine in comparison to the others in the roster but adding utahraptor and omniraptor is kinda dumb
I love the isle raptor, because…. I WANT TO PLAY A JURASSIC PARK RAPTOR THAT NO OTHER GAME GIVES. And yeah I’d be fine with a jp3 one to but don’t change the calls, or anything except increase the crests and add quills. It’s simply un democratic and un fair, a large portion of the isles community LOVES the way omni is designed and it’s not fair that their opinions can be overshadowed by another just because they have more subscribers
Why have two different playables called omni and utah when they can just add the utah variant as a skin?
Personally I'd get rid of omni and make a utah with omni stats, but if nostalgic people want the omni, make utah a SKIN at least....
10 minutes ago is crazy
Ok then, if you hate omnitah, draw us a design of what it should look like
Also, about the calls, only the broadcast and f calls are ripoffs
i 100% agree with this
Nah they really just copied and pasted.
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Did you start talking like the burger king foot lettuce guy?
Bro, you just counteracted yourself in your video😂
Omni's are bigger and differently proportioned and postured from the jp raptors. They are clearly inspired and pay homage to the jp raptors but not an exact copy or rip off, the omni raptor fits the isles asthetic and lore nicely. As an artist and lover of dinosaurs and dinosaur artwork and paleo art, the isles omniraptor is about as similar to jp as it is to any depiction of large dromeosaurids from the 90s and before. As for sound effects. Ark survival also has similar sounds its fine, Goldfish man you're killin me with all this non issue talk. Its okay to be a dino hipster, but this ideology isn't the end all be all. Beauty is in the eye of tge beholder. Like hell anyone else windering why the isles carno is like "an exact carbon cop"y of Jurassic worlds carno? No, why because a: not true b: its a dinosaur it should look like a dinosaur. the omniraptor is unarguably a depiction of a dinosaur. Even looking at the thumbnail its easy to identify the isles raptor from parks.
YES YES 100% DELETE IT FROM THE GAME
And it makes me angry because why not at least make them feathered or instead of Omni just add dakotaraptor and I don’t even play this game also Mimi supremacy
you hate everthing
0:31 non leur crâne sont un peu différent en plus du corps plus massif et robuste omniraptor en effet c’est ~ 5m , 450 kg>>> ~ 3.9m,150 kg jp/ jw raptor
De plus omniraptor ressemble plus a un utahraptor sans plume d’un jp/ jw raptor car il est moin maigre et donc plus semble a un utahraptor style jp sur le plan global corporel
@@laseriedeladilophosaure9246 je sais un peu de francais, mes c'est ne pas bien
So it is one of the less accurate or non existent dinos in the game but it looks like it belongs. none of the dinos break the immersion, theres nothing wrong with the calls. JP fans like being able to play as the best dino in the movie series and it feels authentic as far as the aesthetic of the map and rest of the dinos. if im beuing completely honest, it sounds like most of your deaths come from the omniraptors and out of saltiness you made a whole youtube video about your OPINION on the character. luckily the devs wont listen to this and keep it in there because playing as an accurate velociraptor would be the equivalent of a mini ground ptera. its just useless compared to the other dinos in the game. the omni vs scientifically accurate velocis, the omni wins. its just fun.
All these jabs make me laugh so gd hard.
These were great points and I agree with all of them but somehow I feel like their biggest response to any criticism will be "That sucks buddy."
Compy, Gali, and Rex's Broadcast are a bit of a reach tbh especially the first 2 but Omniraptor is a dumbass name and is just really lame/always has been even before it was renamed
Bro fell off 💔
Ong what's with this guy fr
Unc better make a come back 🙏