@@richardpearce4988 There is a balance between missing half the movie and sitting in silence. Plenty of other channels have done it, you can literally just search it on TH-cam and find examples. These guys just did a bad job at doing the react format during this video, because they just missed a good chunk of the movie, making this a bad reaction.
@ People should be able to take constructive criticism when they do a poor job, it is how they get better. Not being able to take criticism is a bad personality trait, especially one for people presenting themselves online like this, while acting like the bad job was actually a good one just leads to them doing worse. I enjoyed their Shogun reaction, I was looking forward to seeing them do more, but they just did a bad job this time. It's not that deep.
I think it would have been better if they both reacted by themselves. I still enjoyed the reaction. Edit: @32:00 I take it back. To hell with this Yankee.
Older white guy (55) here who saw this when I graduated high school in the summer of 1987 with my late Marine father. I had planned to take a year off and then Join the USMC. My father was against it. We saw this and I changed my mind, My father said it was way worse. When my father served he was too young for Korea just made it being too old for Vietnam. At that time you either got drafted or volunteered . My father Volunteered and the Marines was only two years. He was stationed at Camp Pendleton San Diego in 1956 . My father missed many tragic events. One event was two weeks before he entered the Corps. A plane from California enroute to Chicago that was known to pick up and drop off USMC recruits. That Plane had a mid-air collision over the Grand Canyon killed everyone. My father Thankful he was not stationed at the USMC depot at Parris Island The Ribbon Creek incident a Drill instructor got drunk and took his recruits out in the swamp in the middle of the night six recruits drowned. Later on my father was told his Battalion was wiped out in Vietnam. (Thank got he was out). The USMC started not abusing (so they say) My friend who went in the USMC in 1988 told me you were told to report any DI's that abuse you. He was doing push-ups and got a nice kick to the ribs. He did not say anything thinking that it might be a test and they pound on you later. My Late father said he was in with many young men sentenced by a judge for being bad or problem kids, two of them were two guys from Chicago's Little Italy, Another one was a black guy from southside of Chicago that nobody messed with he said he made you think of the song by the late Jim Croce "Big Bad Leroy Brown" You know what the USMC did straighten these guys out My father and all the Chi-town guys were close, like brothers Including "Leroy Brown" ! LOL, as well as the rest of the USMC. My father said the Di's were horrible at first and mellowed out. He told me of a "Blanket Party" led by the Chicago guys they had on a guy that was stealing watches and selling them. everyone participated. "Don't screw with the brotherhood" as dad said. I always thought Matthew Modine (PVT. Joker) would be the next Huge Actor , He did a Movie called "Birdy" with a young Nicholas Cage It was different but I loved it, He did anther called Visionquest. These are 1980's movie you might want to review.
@@eugeneoman Thanks for the reply. Did you ever see this clip on this WWII Marine. His name is Walter Filipek It's 8 minutes long. This Marine was cold but funny. since we can't post its under (Shane talks on Walter Filipek, based WW2 war hero)
So R. Lee Ermey was originally hired as a USMC advisor on things like the barracks, uniforms, etc. He was a former marine and did serve as a Drill Instructor. Ermey joined as he got into trouble and was given the choice by a judge to join the marines or go to jail. Originally Kubrick had cast Tim Colceri (who is the chopper gunner) as Gunnery Sargent Hartman. Ermey had felt that was a mistake and went to Kubrick in private when production started. Ermey also had indicated the script was not really good enough to capture the realism Kubrick wanted. Kubrick decided to do a rehearsal with Ermey to see what he was complaining about. That rehearsal changed everything… The moment Ermey walked in to show that first scene he knew things had to change. Ermey’s presence was so strong that he just let Ermey improvise as much as he wanted (which was pretty much all of the insults that made it into the film). Ermey said he had no disrespect for Colceri it’s just that he did not command the utter fear that recruits felt from their Drill Instructor. Ermey however was only a staff sergeant when he left. But the U.S. Marine Corps felt his role in this iconic role did so much for recruitment and the respect of the image of the corps that they retroactively promoted him to Gunnery Sergeant so he could have the rank he embodied so well as “Gunny”.
the characters in the film are in the marines. The vast majority of men in the marines during Vietnam volunteered for service instead of being drafted.
I have never seen it specifically stated by Kubrick anywhere, but Private Pyle is a clear representation of a real program that the Defense Department ran in the 1960s. It was called "Project 100,000" and it was a test to see whether the mental and physical parameters for serving in the US military could be widened to make the pool of potential service people larger. Between escalation in Vietnam and all the other military commitments of the Cold War in those days, the military was concerned about a shortage of people to serve. So they started testing whether recruits who were normally just a bit below the normal standard for IQ, or emotional stability, or physical fitness could be turned into effective military personnel. The same program probably would have led to Forrest Gump being recruited and serving in Vietnam. One of the nicknames that was used for the program was "McNamara's Morons". Also, your comments are great, but you should generally try to pause the movie when u talk, so that you do not miss any important bits. Obviously, you would not stop for every quick comment, but there are definitely times when you guys are talking back forth and missing some of the dialog.👍😁
At the time of these men’s induction (sometime pre-Tet Offensive), the Marine Corps had not taken any conscripts so all of these men would have been volunteers. Starting in April 1968, the Corps did have occasion to resort to inducting conscripts to meet its recruiting targets. However, through the entire course of the war, nearly 90% of Marines were volunteers.
Those marine recruits could have elected to be washed out at any time (except for the fact that this is a film). This movie’s setting is 1967-1968. The U.S. Marine corps actually only accepted 19k draftees in 1965 and 1966 (much fewer than any other service). They generally prided themselves on being the hardest one of the basic services to join and thus one of the drill instructors duties was to try to weed out people who were not suited for the heavier amount of training the marines employed over the army, navy, and Air Force. Many people who signed up during Vietnam actually did so because they didn’t want to be drafted into another service, they felt they would rather volunteer to take the harder path and work with better trained people than potentially just end up as another statistic in the army. There was also a lot more unofficial tolerance for “code red” retribution and hazings between recruits because of this mentality of weeding out anyone who doesn’t really want to be there. In the 1990s and beyond there was a big restructuring of how the armed forces treated recruits. The strategy in the Vietnam era was to smash down everything that you were so that they could rebuild your ego, instincts, and responses as they wanted. In the new way any physical harm, or direct personal focused verbal assault was banned. A new phycological approach was invented based on building upon achievements and inspiration to set one’s own goals of improvement. It was shown through testing that while the tear down method was faster, it created less innovation and tended to result in too much group think. Now they want to less rebuild people into robotic soldiers, but want soldiers which will want to build upon themselves.
I appreciate your perception of the parallel between the final sequence and the overall war. Sending a putatively more powerful force against a smaller and seemingly less capable enemy, only to fail and fail again until the cost exceeds the value.
I'm guessing you guys didn't know but Vincent D'Onofrio would say in other shows (particularly Law and Order) and films he was once in the military, referring to this film. Plus, "Pyle" was a nod to the sitcom starring Jim Nabors as Gomer Pyle, USMC. This was how it was for a long time... and even into the 90's - to an extent. Not so much the physical touching piece, but for sure the language.
The music fits BECAUSE that was EXACTLY the music that THESE soldiers would have heard in 1968 Vietnam!! There was something called armed forces radio!! Check out a movie called Good Morning Vietnam starring Robin Williams!! That'll give you an idea of what I'm talking about!! Plus it's a great movie with Robin Williams at one of his best roles!!! Anyway any song you hear in this film is going to be something that would have been heard on the radio in 1968!!😮
They WERE NOT drafted: Although conscription WAS practiced across all branches of the U.S. military at some point, or points, during the Viet Nam Conflict, Joker's opening comments about Parris Island make it clear that CHOICE was operant for each man at this particular time in history: "Phoney-tough" and "crazy-brave" are chosen attitudes, and persons volunteering for Marine Corps service will be discovered to fall into one category or the other. Had the characters in the film been drafted, Joker's observation would be nonsensical: Cowardly or brave has nothing to do with it when a man is drafted for war: You're going to war; you're going to prison; or you're leaving the country for good. Most all choose not to go to prison or leave the country, but that doesn't make them any more cowardly, nor any more brave.
I'll agree, I hope you get to watch the movie again without commentary so you can catch a lot of nuanced and over the top dialog you may have missed. As a former Marine this is a feel good movie, a nostalgic movie. When you say Joker lost his humanity killing the sniper I believe your wrong, that happened back when he was beating Private Pyle. And he didn't lose his humanity, he transcended it. The Marine Corps takes recruits up to 28 years old, I don't know how old you both are but consider serving. You'll get a new perspective that you can utilize the rest of your life--Semper Fi!
Man ! You guys that criticize why don't you try and start a channel. At least the commentary between the 2 reactors was intelligent. Try and aleast be intelligent yourselves
Yeah. I've seen the movie a few times and I know the dialogue. I'm here for the reaction and they noticed things I haven't noticed before, like the bullseye on Joker's helmet.
They are younger gents, so a movie like this is...uhhh...outdated in the new era of thinking. Personally, having a mom and dad that were 'Nam vets, then me doing Desert Storm #1 made it way more interesting since the older I get, I tend to forget youngsters see it different...the past is just a footnote now, not the present reality I remember. Personally I enjoy this channel, because they DO talk. How else would I know how people see these things?
The 70s and 80s had many great films about Vietnam. The country was still in shock from the brutality of the events and trying hard to gain perspective. Another great film in the same genre is The Killing Fields about the genocide in Cambodia.
Private Pyle was an example of Project 100000, otherwise known as McNamara's Morons. He shouldn't have been there at all. They were kia at twice the rate of standard servicemen, got a lot of others killed too.
Try to give a watch to Midway (2019), outside the special effects making it over the top to a degree, its a rather fateful adaptation of the Battle of Midway. Quite a good watch and interesting too.
These are not draftees. During the Vietnam War era, only one group of draftees were conscripted into the Marine Corps. Only one third of the armed forces who served in combat during the Vietnam War were draftees. The average age of U. S. armed forces combat personnel during the Vietnam War was 22. Many people erroneously think it was 19 because of a song from the 1980's that mentioned incorrect information. The average age of combat personnel during WW II was 26.
Great reaction guys, a lot of good and thoughtful comments. BTW, I think the music choice was pretty much "just" an accurate representation of what young western soldiers listened too back in those days.
Normally, no. But during Vietnam, the Marines took 42,600 draftees. Thus belying their image as an elite. However, that didn't start until after the Tet offensive, which occurs later in this film. So if Kubrick was trying to portray Pyle as a draftee (which is likely), he created an anachronism. Did he care about that level of detail? Probably not.
@@DougRayPhillips The movie was based on Gustav Hasford's autobiographical novel 'The Short-Timers' so the detail might not have been Kubrick's choice.
I've enjoyed your reaction and the thoughtful post watch comments you've provided as well. Suggestion: Rick Roderick lecture on Baudrillard. Fatal Strategies. There's also a fun vapor wave version of the same on TH-cam but either way the substance is there. Hyper-reality, Propaganda, Simulacra and Simulation, etc...
Guys why do u talk over all the iconic dialog.
That's why I stopped watching at 5:55 and am blocking the channel.
Because...reaction channel? Otherwise it would be 'guys watch movie in silence'.
@@richardpearce4988 There is a balance between missing half the movie and sitting in silence. Plenty of other channels have done it, you can literally just search it on TH-cam and find examples. These guys just did a bad job at doing the react format during this video, because they just missed a good chunk of the movie, making this a bad reaction.
I'll email the guys: FYA: don't react to the movie as you feel, do it the same as other channels. You've lost Henry 5212 as a viewer.
@ People should be able to take constructive criticism when they do a poor job, it is how they get better.
Not being able to take criticism is a bad personality trait, especially one for people presenting themselves online like this, while acting like the bad job was actually a good one just leads to them doing worse.
I enjoyed their Shogun reaction, I was looking forward to seeing them do more, but they just did a bad job this time. It's not that deep.
You keep talking over the movie and missing out on important details. Stop the movie, make a comment and resume playing it….rinse and repeat.
You guys talked over the best lines of dialogue.
What do you mean??? They talked over ALL the dialog
Drill Instructor, NOT drill sergeant. Marines, NOT soldiers.
Now I wish someone please tell that coward draft dodger in the White House the difference.
@@jamesgreenhow108 Well, we'll have a Marine in the White House next.
You guys included all of my favorite quotes without talking over them. Great job guys i loved it.
way too much talkover guys
Not really…
I think it would have been better if they both reacted by themselves. I still enjoyed the reaction.
Edit: @32:00 I take it back. To hell with this Yankee.
Go watch the movie dog this is a reaction video 😂
Hint - The word reaction means that this is a reaction video. If you want to watch the movie, you need to watch the movie.
I get that but they missed a lot of good dialogue
Older white guy (55) here who saw this when I graduated high school in the summer of 1987 with my late Marine father. I had planned to take a year off and then Join the USMC. My father was against it. We saw this and I changed my mind, My father said it was way worse. When my father served he was too young for Korea just made it being too old for Vietnam. At that time you either got drafted or volunteered . My father Volunteered and the Marines was only two years. He was stationed at Camp Pendleton San Diego in 1956 .
My father missed many tragic events. One event was two weeks before he entered the Corps. A plane from California enroute to Chicago that was known to pick up and drop off USMC recruits. That Plane had a mid-air collision over the Grand Canyon killed everyone. My father Thankful he was not stationed at the USMC depot at Parris Island The Ribbon Creek incident a Drill instructor got drunk and took his recruits out in the swamp in the middle of the night six recruits drowned. Later on my father was told his Battalion was wiped out in Vietnam. (Thank got he was out).
The USMC started not abusing (so they say) My friend who went in the USMC in 1988 told me you were told to report any DI's that abuse you. He was doing push-ups and got a nice kick to the ribs. He did not say anything thinking that it might be a test and they pound on you later.
My Late father said he was in with many young men sentenced by a judge for being bad or problem kids, two of them were two guys from Chicago's Little Italy, Another one was a black guy from southside of Chicago that nobody messed with he said he made you think of the song by the late Jim Croce "Big Bad Leroy Brown" You know what the USMC did straighten these guys out My father and all the Chi-town guys were close, like brothers Including "Leroy Brown" ! LOL, as well as the rest of the USMC.
My father said the Di's were horrible at first and mellowed out. He told me of a "Blanket Party" led by the Chicago guys they had on a guy that was stealing watches and selling them. everyone participated. "Don't screw with the brotherhood" as dad said.
I always thought Matthew Modine (PVT. Joker) would be the next Huge Actor , He did a Movie called "Birdy" with a young Nicholas Cage It was different but I loved it, He did anther called Visionquest. These are 1980's movie you might want to review.
Great comment/information. My father is also a Marine who served after Korea and before Vietnam (ca. 1956)
@@eugeneoman Thanks for the reply. Did you ever see this clip on this WWII Marine. His name is Walter Filipek It's 8 minutes long. This Marine was cold but funny. since we can't post its under (Shane talks on Walter Filipek, based WW2 war hero)
drill instructor’s oxymoronic name: Hartman. He has anything but a heart.
Agreed. Very annoying when these reactors talk over the dialogue, imo.
Hint - The word reaction means that this is a reaction video. If you want to watch the movie, you need to watch the movie.
@peterbreughel4440 well what's frustrating is the reactors miss things in the movie when they talk over dialogue. The should pause it and talk.
@@peterbreughel4440 then they should make use of "pause"
So R. Lee Ermey was originally hired as a USMC advisor on things like the barracks, uniforms, etc. He was a former marine and did serve as a Drill Instructor. Ermey joined as he got into trouble and was given the choice by a judge to join the marines or go to jail.
Originally Kubrick had cast Tim Colceri (who is the chopper gunner) as Gunnery Sargent Hartman. Ermey had felt that was a mistake and went to Kubrick in private when production started. Ermey also had indicated the script was not really good enough to capture the realism Kubrick wanted.
Kubrick decided to do a rehearsal with Ermey to see what he was complaining about. That rehearsal changed everything… The moment Ermey walked in to show that first scene he knew things had to change.
Ermey’s presence was so strong that he just let Ermey improvise as much as he wanted (which was pretty much all of the insults that made it into the film). Ermey said he had no disrespect for Colceri it’s just that he did not command the utter fear that recruits felt from their Drill Instructor.
Ermey however was only a staff sergeant when he left. But the U.S. Marine Corps felt his role in this iconic role did so much for recruitment and the respect of the image of the corps that they retroactively promoted him to Gunnery Sergeant so he could have the rank he embodied so well as “Gunny”.
the characters in the film are in the marines. The vast majority of men in the marines during Vietnam volunteered for service instead of being drafted.
I have never seen it specifically stated by Kubrick anywhere, but Private Pyle is a clear representation of a real program that the Defense Department ran in the 1960s. It was called "Project 100,000" and it was a test to see whether the mental and physical parameters for serving in the US military could be widened to make the pool of potential service people larger. Between escalation in Vietnam and all the other military commitments of the Cold War in those days, the military was concerned about a shortage of people to serve. So they started testing whether recruits who were normally just a bit below the normal standard for IQ, or emotional stability, or physical fitness could be turned into effective military personnel. The same program probably would have led to Forrest Gump being recruited and serving in Vietnam.
One of the nicknames that was used for the program was "McNamara's Morons".
Also, your comments are great, but you should generally try to pause the movie when u talk, so that you do not miss any important bits. Obviously, you would not stop for every quick comment, but there are definitely times when you guys are talking back forth and missing some of the dialog.👍😁
Beat me to it
The sniper scene calls back the discussion about Whitman and Oswald. One motivated person and a rifle.
At the time of these men’s induction (sometime pre-Tet Offensive), the Marine Corps had not taken any conscripts so all of these men would have been volunteers. Starting in April 1968, the Corps did have occasion to resort to inducting conscripts to meet its recruiting targets. However, through the entire course of the war, nearly 90% of Marines were volunteers.
The sound of the movie was quite distracting. I could hardly follow you guys' conversation...
😂😂😂😂
Those marine recruits could have elected to be washed out at any time (except for the fact that this is a film). This movie’s setting is 1967-1968. The U.S. Marine corps actually only accepted 19k draftees in 1965 and 1966 (much fewer than any other service). They generally prided themselves on being the hardest one of the basic services to join and thus one of the drill instructors duties was to try to weed out people who were not suited for the heavier amount of training the marines employed over the army, navy, and Air Force. Many people who signed up during Vietnam actually did so because they didn’t want to be drafted into another service, they felt they would rather volunteer to take the harder path and work with better trained people than potentially just end up as another statistic in the army. There was also a lot more unofficial tolerance for “code red” retribution and hazings between recruits because of this mentality of weeding out anyone who doesn’t really want to be there.
In the 1990s and beyond there was a big restructuring of how the armed forces treated recruits. The strategy in the Vietnam era was to smash down everything that you were so that they could rebuild your ego, instincts, and responses as they wanted.
In the new way any physical harm, or direct personal focused verbal assault was banned. A new phycological approach was invented based on building upon achievements and inspiration to set one’s own goals of improvement. It was shown through testing that while the tear down method was faster, it created less innovation and tended to result in too much group think. Now they want to less rebuild people into robotic soldiers, but want soldiers which will want to build upon themselves.
This movie was filmed right next door to where Aliens was filming. The casts would hang out and mingle in their off-time.
Marines ARE NOT SOLDIERS!! R.Lee Ermey is Not a Drill Sargent. He is a Marine Corps Drill Instructor.
21:04 Yes, that line is repeated from this movie.
2 Live Crew would go on and sample that.
I appreciate your perception of the parallel between the final sequence and the overall war. Sending a putatively more powerful force against a smaller and seemingly less capable enemy, only to fail and fail again until the cost exceeds the value.
You only get one chance to shoot that barber shop scene, at the very beginning. Like the blow up the castle scene in Peter Sellers The Party.
Over 2/3 of Vietnam soldiers enlisted. It's been a long standing myth that they were drafted. Also the Marines don't draft, it's volunteer only.
Me love you long time def came from this movie and then became part of a hip hop song
I'm guessing you guys didn't know but Vincent D'Onofrio would say in other shows (particularly Law and Order) and films he was once in the military, referring to this film. Plus, "Pyle" was a nod to the sitcom starring Jim Nabors as Gomer Pyle, USMC. This was how it was for a long time... and even into the 90's - to an extent. Not so much the physical touching piece, but for sure the language.
Hey now, "he choked himself", let's keep it accurate boys.
You did know that the north vietnamese massacred the south vietnamese when the Americans left right?
The music fits BECAUSE that was EXACTLY the music that THESE soldiers would have heard in 1968 Vietnam!!
There was something called armed forces radio!!
Check out a movie called Good Morning Vietnam starring Robin Williams!!
That'll give you an idea of what I'm talking about!!
Plus it's a great movie with Robin Williams at one of his best roles!!!
Anyway any song you hear in this film is going to be something that would have been heard on the radio in 1968!!😮
They WERE NOT drafted: Although conscription WAS practiced across all branches of the U.S. military at some point, or points, during the Viet Nam Conflict, Joker's opening comments about Parris Island make it clear that CHOICE was operant for each man at this particular time in history: "Phoney-tough" and "crazy-brave" are chosen attitudes, and persons volunteering for Marine Corps service will be discovered to fall into one category or the other. Had the characters in the film been drafted, Joker's observation would be nonsensical: Cowardly or brave has nothing to do with it when a man is drafted for war: You're going to war; you're going to prison; or you're leaving the country for good. Most all choose not to go to prison or leave the country, but that doesn't make them any more cowardly, nor any more brave.
I'll agree, I hope you get to watch the movie again without commentary so you can catch a lot of nuanced and over the top dialog you may have missed. As a former Marine this is a feel good movie, a nostalgic movie. When you say Joker lost his humanity killing the sniper I believe your wrong, that happened back when he was beating Private Pyle. And he didn't lose his humanity, he transcended it. The Marine Corps takes recruits up to 28 years old, I don't know how old you both are but consider serving. You'll get a new perspective that you can utilize the rest of your life--Semper Fi!
best Vietnam War Movies
Apocalypse Now
Platoon
Hamburger Hill
Full Metal Jacket
Man ! You guys that criticize why don't you try and start a channel. At least the commentary between the 2 reactors was intelligent. Try and aleast be intelligent yourselves
Yeah. I've seen the movie a few times and I know the dialogue. I'm here for the reaction and they noticed things I haven't noticed before, like the bullseye on Joker's helmet.
They are younger gents, so a movie like this is...uhhh...outdated in the new era of thinking. Personally, having a mom and dad that were 'Nam vets, then me doing Desert Storm #1 made it way more interesting since the older I get, I tend to forget youngsters see it different...the past is just a footnote now, not the present reality I remember. Personally I enjoy this channel, because they DO talk. How else would I know how people see these things?
Yes you would be Cannon foder.😅😅😅
Apocalypse Now is also worth watching
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
I'm pretty sure you don't get drafted into the marines -- it's enlistment only.
Please react to Apocalypse Now. My favorite Coppola movie.
✌♥
Only 25 percent of the US military force in the combat zones in the Vietnam War were draftees.
@@norwegianblue2017 and that was 100% too many
@@durrdurrier503 Maybe so, but the perception is that most were drafted.
Then my dad got unlucky as hell. So did a bunch of others from my county.
The 70s and 80s had many great films about Vietnam. The country was still in shock from the brutality of the events and trying hard to gain perspective. Another great film in the same genre is The Killing Fields about the genocide in Cambodia.
Private Pyle was an example of Project 100000, otherwise known as McNamara's Morons. He shouldn't have been there at all. They were kia at twice the rate of standard servicemen, got a lot of others killed too.
Try to give a watch to Midway (2019), outside the special effects making it over the top to a degree, its a rather fateful adaptation of the Battle of Midway. Quite a good watch and interesting too.
Buena reacción, saludos
Not the most narratively cohesive war movie I've ever seen, nor is it my favorite. But it's the most poignant.
These are not draftees. During the Vietnam War era, only one group of draftees were conscripted into the Marine Corps. Only one third of the armed forces who served in combat during the Vietnam War were draftees. The average age of U. S. armed forces combat personnel during the Vietnam War was 22. Many people erroneously think it was 19 because of a song from the 1980's that mentioned incorrect information. The average age of combat personnel during WW II was 26.
You guys are talking over all the good dialogs
Great reaction guys, a lot of good and thoughtful comments.
BTW, I think the music choice was pretty much "just" an accurate representation of what young western soldiers listened too back in those days.
Marines don't get drafted.
Normally, no. But during Vietnam, the Marines took 42,600 draftees. Thus belying their image as an elite.
However, that didn't start until after the Tet offensive, which occurs later in this film. So if Kubrick was trying to portray Pyle as a draftee (which is likely), he created an anachronism. Did he care about that level of detail? Probably not.
@@DougRayPhillips The movie was based on Gustav Hasford's autobiographical novel 'The Short-Timers' so the detail might not have been Kubrick's choice.
@@pollyparrot9447 Makes sense.
@@DougRayPhillips That is interesting. Thank you for the information.
I've enjoyed your reaction and the thoughtful post watch comments you've provided as well.
Suggestion:
Rick Roderick lecture on Baudrillard.
Fatal Strategies.
There's also a fun vapor wave version of the same on TH-cam but either way the substance is there.
Hyper-reality,
Propaganda,
Simulacra and Simulation, etc...
These guys are talking and talking amoungst themselves while looking at each other, instead of the film. It's pretty frustrating.