Gunstock Sanding and Finishing - THE RIGHT WAY!
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- How to sand fill and apply the oil finish to your gunstock the right way... Kurt's Custom Carving and Checkering shows you how the pros do it!
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Great video...I remember watching this years ago, and had to re-visit, now that I'm refinishing another Mosin stock. Great tips, and entertaining video....
That's a whole lot different from the way I learned when I was a kid, some 60-odd years back. Back then, the refinishing I did involved a process called "whiskering" that involved sanding the stock, then exposing the smoothed stock to steam from a teakettle - just enough to dampen it slightly and raise the grain (the fibers of wood that came up to the surface) and make them curl up. The "whiskered" wood would then feel like a half-day old beard, and you'd sand again. You'd repeat steaming and sanding with progressively finer grit until all the fibers that would lift had been sanded away. Even without the finish, the wood was like glass. Generally, after the first coat of thinned varnish, there would be a whisker here or there, that you'd take down with either very fine sandpaper or a pumice or rottenstone rub, followed by another coat. It made for a beautiful finish. The other thing we always heard was that you should keep the sawdust down if you were working with walnut, because walnut sawdust can be toxic to some people. It is a gorgeous wood, though, so it is worth taking the trouble to work on, staying "upwind." Never saw the technique of leaving the sawdust on and rubbing it into the pores; interesting.
yup that's exactly what i learned as well. the reason for the cutting the whisker was that you could get the finish to penetrate a lil bit without over penetrating and soaking the stock. the oil won't penetrate beyond the depth of the whiskers you shaved off.
Many thanks, this brought back memories of doing a stock under my fathers direction, I got the stocks to a mirror finish with the same system and methods that you use, I had forgotten over the years and now it has come back to me. Also the times spent with my dear departed Dad.
As I am back into the hobby of restoring old 303 lee Infields and Lithgow's here In Australia after 45 years, as the children have left the nest and my youngest son got me into Military shooting, We do the Anzac Day shoot and the Remembrance Day shoot, as the shoots do follow the old military way, when they fought as conscripts & volunteers of the days gone by of the 1914-1918 and the WW11 era's.
Thanks again my friend.
Growing up my Dad showed me how to do an oil change, swap out brake pads, clean a car the correct way and other things like crabbing and fishing and cooking. He passed away when I turned 21, which is 15 years ago. I recently bought my son a 870 and he needed a shorter stock so I got a cut but not finished bastogne walnut stock and forend and we are sanding it and finishing together. This video helped me teach him how to do this and we are on our 3rd coat of sanding and finishing. I really appreciate this video and forever thankful for allowing me to have a father son moment like back in the day.
Amazing video as usual. I applied his methods to both a Mosin Nagant with a laminated stock and a yugo mauser M24/47. Both came out smooth as glass and look great. I didn't have a man of this experience or knowledge to touch base with so I appreciate you both for taking the time to teach so many. Maybe in 50 years we will see wood stocks done the right way in a few more collections.
Excellent! :-)
This dude is a boss, could listen to him explain any aspect of gun care
kurt's work is True Craftsmanship. you are the Godfather of Beautiful/Gunstocks.. Wish I had Your skills. from a uk Fan
That was the best lesson in stock finishing I've ever seen. A couple of things not mentioned: You sand and do the oil all with the butt plate on! Also, TruOil and Linspeed oil IS NOT LINSEED OIL. That stuff is just like polyurethane. Do not try what he did in the video with TruOil or Linspeed oil! Oh, and you can add driers to the oil if you want to make it dry faster.
Yes I am a little puzzled about the Brownells linseed oil he uses. It says boiled linseed oil on the container so assume its 100% but the classic method is 2/3 boiled linseed oil and 1/3 turpentine. The turpentine is just a dryer. I use mineral spirits, about 5/8 oil with 3/8 mineral spirits. I've never tried 100% linseed oil but some use it initially on a new stock to soak in, which hes doing here, and then go to the mix for sucessive sandings. It will darken the wood considerably, if that's what you want. Turpentine adds an odor and takes longer to dry than mineral spirits because it has a bit of pine pitch in it. Refinishing doesnt require any heavy sanding at all. Unless you're fixing problems or have fills, go no heavier than 320 paper on a refinish is my rule, it's already rough sanded essentially.
I just wanted to thank you for your video. Bought myself a new walnut stock for my garand and really took my time watching your video, maybe 100 times, and now I'm down to my last coat. I have never seen stocks more beautiful than yours and I feel honored to have watched a master craftsman at work.
He's the man - for sure :-)
+nanernose I'm doing the same on a Boyd's walnut stock for my Garand and even after coat #1 the walnut looks fantastic! Simple process and sparing oil is the key that Kurt has found and perfected for a beautiful gun stock finish - thanks to Kurt & TiborasaurusRex!
Simply the best how to video on stock refinishing. Thanks for creating and sharing this.
God I've never seen such a plain riflestock look so exquisite before. Very very nice work.
My cookie stained shotgun stock came out great, I only used 1/2 cup of coffee and 16 Keebler M&M cookies. The wife loves it, always smells great too.
Ryan Joyal Glad it worked out for you...stay tuned for my tutorial on a cotton candy finish.
I read this content before the end of the video and was so confused
Yep. The right way. The best way. In 1963, a group of us took a crate of 03 Springfields, c1917, out of the original wood crates, stripped the cosmoline with a solvent, steam-cleaned, dried, hand-sanded, and finished with linseed oil rubbed-in by hand. The end result was just like this video shows.
I have a rough and weathered, left-in-the-barn-too-long, Ruger 10-22 Sporter stock that is going to get this same treatment. It will take some time, but will look great.
I'm restoring an 1861 Bridesberg that had been Sporterized way way back and this is exactly the information I needed. Thanks!
I had a rough SKS stock I had sitting in the corner somebody gave me. I have never done any kind of wood finishing. I did this guy's method with Tru-Oil and it turned out to be the best stock I have ever seen and compliments from everybody that see's that stock.
That gentleman stock craftsman is an excellent teacher..!
Thats the sign of a master craftsman, when he can do work like that and have a cigarette in his hand at the same time lol. Great video!
Craftsman perhaps Master no. In-case anyone does not know! Boiled Linseed oil is EXTREMELY Flammable! I would say this is not so smart to be honest! Also the fact he is rubbing it in with his bare hands is ALSO not so smart . That stuff is toxic! He should be wearing gloves. Read the freaking cans people. Also he is right about sanding the oil into the wood, except he should be wet sanding a good bit of that oil into the wood with a 800 grit paper.
True, polymerized boiled linseed oil like the Brownells he is using is non-toxic. It's meant to be rubbed in by hand. If you actually read the label, like you proposed, it states that it's a 'possible irritant' in order to be sold in states such as California. BLO for gun stocks like Brownells, Birchwood Casey Tru Oil and Pilkington used to all have directions for rubbing in by hand on the label, but there's always the one jackass that takes a bath in it and now they have to remove those instructions.
Now, commercial BLO that you buy at Walmart or Costco under the brand names like Klean-Strip are not 'true' boiled linseed oil as they're simply impregnated with heavy metals which replicate the boiling process. This stuff IS toxic, and gloves should be worn when handling them. In my opinion, true boiled linseed oil doesn't cost much more than the Klean-Strip crap, so don't even bother with the fake stuff.
GUN OIL IS WITH THE BARE HANDS
@@CaptGizmo01 I'm an industrial painter. We take many precautions in the trade. A DIY project is probably not going to kill you or harm you in any way other than your Hillary voting wife not liking the smell of the finish in the house for a month.
@@CaptGizmo01 alright mr England trained gunsmith
Old skool, love the gentle cigarette smoke flowing upward....very good information, thank you!
I've heard many people describe this technique but this is the first video I've seen showing it. I've tried it now and the results speak for themselves, much better than the brush oil on, wait and brush off technique. Excellent video thank you.
Now I know what goes into making a nice gun. This was truly needed. Thanks
I just started refinishing the stock of my Springfield 87a using this method. I’m on day 3 and it looks incredible and smooth as silk.
Thank you for making some of the trade secrets a bit less secret. Great stuff.
I really enjoyed your video. I have a Remington 510 target master. It was given to me last year after sitting in a gun safe for about 40 years. It was a shame to look at. Thanks to your video it looks a whole lot better! Thank you, Semper Fi!
This video could send me to sleep and that is a compliment of the highest order. Wow this is soothing
A true craftsmen , great work ---- now dump the smokes, we want you around for a long time .
I like the look of that door behind him..
Mark Chichester ..one drop of lindseed and 2years of handrubbin
that was the first thing i noticed whenever he had the stocks against the door too
I just started this process on my new (to me) Garand stock. It is looking so good already. I think I will do this to my very old and beaten up Winchester model 1904.
Wow, now that's grade a American craftsmanship. That kind of work would go into a show piece rifle or a pass down to your son type rifle. Beautiful.
Very helpful, thank you Kurt.
I just inherited a Lakefield-Mossberg 500 from a family member, I am assuming it is maybe from the 1980s. The stock has the manufacturer varnish and is a bit chipped, so I am hoping to refinish it over the winter but definitely want something matte, or matte as possible, so it doesn't shine in the blind.
Will definitely be employing some of these tips. My shooting partner has a beautiful Winchester semi-auto from the late 50s that he redid years ago with only gun oil and it has such a beautiful, dark, matte finish, the kind of look I'm going for.
Thanks Tibo appreciated. I am going to do this on my Thomson 50 cal stock. Please keep making this kind of content.
Wish I had seen this technique years ago ... such great information.
Glad I found y’all, I’m gonna do this to my Yugo sks stock
Great video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the world.
After listening the master, I will apply those techniques to my new K31. Thank you for the sharing!
I know this is an old video, but if you get some extra pieces of scrap wood or a damaged stock, I'd actually love to see how brushing black coffee into the raw wood would affect the finish. Obviously you're the expert, but I'd imagine you'd finish your sanding, brush black coffee into the raw sanded wood, let completely dry, maybe do a couple of coats, and then oil like normal. Maybe experiment with different roasts? Sumatra vs blonde vs espresso (Made in an espresso machine, of course, not the 'espresso' beans).
I have a Savage Mk2 .22LR bolt in wood that I just am not in love with the finish on and wouldn't be entirely dismissive of the possibility of some coffee black marbling in the refinished product, but I'm too chicken to just wing it.
Loved the coffee chocolate chip cookie finish! Yum! Excellent video.
Thank you sir for your very informative video, I found it very useful.
Just taking down an old CZ 452 stock which had coat after coat of stain and gunk.... close to wood now but the last stains are being stubborn. Great video and one that I have book marked for future reference.
I bet scissors dull up pretty quickly when your cutting sandpaper. Thank you for your time and efforts. :)
Your ashes, your ashes......
update, just watched again and it's sinking in, thank's so interesting.
Thank you for this! Going to try your technique tomorrow!
It actually exactly the same as doing body work on on car. I can’t wait to do this myself!
Great looking Stocks!!!
Don B thanks
Beautiful. Work of art
Great method used on my last 2 stocks took a while but great finish thanks for posting.
Youre amazing, you got hands of a angel
Coffee stain wood with cookies!!!! Nice video sir. Thanks for sharing!
wow im going to refinish my stocks with food and drinks to bring out the colors that's a good 1
Awesome! Thanks for the great knowledge and I'll make sure to use the cookie crumb method 👍🤣
I LITTERALY just blew on my screen right before he said, "Now notice," he's not blowing away the sawdust. I am n00bed, good instructions!
nice video. I just cut a shotgun stock from a block of walnut and found your video very helpful. thanks!
Excellent! Thanks Rex.
The end part of this video is the funniest thing ever it’s worth watching.
The only way to get a hand rubbed finish is to rub it with your hand.
Prophetic. :)
Why couldn't you use someone else's hand?
: )
use your left hand it feels like someone else
doug bulldog if only that were true :(
Sounds like John Goodman
Would you want to sand the entire length of the stock then add oil, or do it in small sections at a time? My thinking is if you sand the entire length, the more you handle it the more saw dust will fall off and won't seal the wood as well. Thanks for this series! It is awesome.
It’s like I’m watching myself finishing stocks, except I suck at instructing people. I tried teaching, but I don’t know why I have zero patience to teach. I hate to repeat myself, it’s so bad that I’m annoyed just listening to this guy asking the same questions. Maybe it’s because I already know the people who ask me questions.... meaning that, if it’s strangers, I probably would have patience.
I want to finish my Baikal single shot this way! Russian Beech... beautiful!
Love the Krag.!
Doing it with pure Tung oil. Hope it works out well!
What an awesome guy.
Brilliant man
Cookies and coffee laminate to draw the bears in.
Very informative video. Thanks.
NEVER TRIED EXOPY , I DRY SAND LIKE THIS GUNSTOCK GUY ,DRY SAND USING FINE PAPER THE DUST FILLS THE PORES, THEN FINISH
Don’t particularly enjoy guns but I can certainly appreciate wood expertise and a well done video
I love that he’s smoking a cigarette with linseed oil on his hands.
Thanks a lot for sharing this revival 'till detail-method!
Very nice, Kurt! Like everyone who finishes gunstocks, I'm still looking for that "holy grail" of finishes, but keep coming back to Tru-Oil time after time. Got any tips for getting an authentic finish on a revolutionary war-era musket?
I've heard of Kava instant coffee being used to stain wood. I've used goth purple hair dye to make faux purpleheart
Wood working is Metal!
Did you seal the butt before you installed the recoil pad? Do you also make sure to seal the areas inside where the action and barrel rest? I've watched wood floor guys do the same thing you do with the dust but they save up dust and sprinkle it on with the stain. Would it benefit you to use dust along with the oil on the first coat?
My kind of guys, Thanks
Smoke.. what's this guy smokin a doob? :)
I love the smoke is his hand that how I would be doing it
Kinda reminds me of doing auto body work.
Did he mention anything at all about disposing of any rags etc with the linseed oil on them? Great video and those finishes were stunning.
YouGoobers Linseed oil comes from the flax plant...so no harm done anywhere. :-)
Now can I darken my already existing linseed oil stock by lightly sanding and applying more linseed oil?
Hi TiborasaurusRex, I see that you leave the butt plate/recoil pad on while you put on the linseed oil. My question is, how do you get the finish off the recoil pad when you're done?
Insert that's what she said joke here. I've never seen such beautiful wood before.
Hello sir, great videos!! Instructional. entertaining and pleasant!! Plus you have one of those voices that one can listen for hours and whatever you say gets done hehehe
So here's my question; any difference in application between the boiled and the raw linseed oil? Thanks ahead !!
I tried this EXACTLY as you done it but mine ended up with a bunch of cigarette burns so I just rubbed in the ashes
Just two guys rubbin on wood @5:56
very informative thank you
AHH tx so much just learned my past mistakes i made.
Rex, not sure if you are still in contact with Kurt, his FB page doesn't seem to have much action in terms of recent posts, but I was wondering if you could pass on a question to him. I have some larger projects, furniture actually, chairs and tables, that I would love to continue using this finish on. I've followed his steps to refinish/revive numerous wooden stocks since I first saw this video c. 2014 when you first posted it. Everyone who handles those rifles and shotguns remarks "man, what kind of finish is this, it's so soft and natural(or similar to those words)". However, with the volume of projects that I would like to use this technique on, including some rather large, flat surfaces, I'm wondering if there is a way to use a power sander with a leather pad to simulate the hand-rubbed part of the process? I have made my own DIY pads for other processes before, using both random orbital, linear-action sanders and regular vibratory sanders to grind/polish glass. I can't see why a natural, soft leather pad couldn't replace the manual action(and heat) of repetitive hand motion. If you'd be able to pass this question along to Kurt, it would be much appreciated. To Him be the glory, forever and ever, Amen. God speed brother!
It's hard to beat a delicious smelling stock. lmao
Women
where is Kurt are you just sharing his video, I have some questions for him
I have two Turkish walnut air rifle stocks I am going to be doing.
I made a mix of red alkanet root & turpentine, waited a month 1/2 then added the boiled linseed oil and that's been sitting gees three months , this is all knew to me, I am using this blend from some one else guide..and mix ratio.
Question.
I wanted to know what could I add to another batch of boiled linseed oil to do the other stock to make the tiger stripe pop and jump out the best, any tint suggestions. I have yet another stock that's walnut probably non Turkish with a lot of tiger striping and I just want it to look the best and pop.
in your video @ 1533 shows your rifle stocks in the case what color is that, just brownish tone it was hard to see the way the videos were shot on those.
love the long in depth videos
Mike
This has been a very helpful video. My question is could you use BLO over a stock which has been cleaned sanded and restained?
And if stained can you use the sand oil mix ?
I do that but i cut the BOILED linseed oil (not linseed oil which is something else) 50-50 with turpentine which evaporates after it carries the oil in. But main point, regardless of everyones different methods, gun stocks arent different than any other wood like house furniture. Finish and treat it the same way which is to say once finished you dont do much to it the rest of your life. You dont drown your furniture in gun oil once a week do you?
If you can’t do it then watch this video it is easy
Didn’t read all the comments so please excuse if this has been asked before.
What about the raw wood at the inlets, seal or leave raw
Thank you for this very informative video! Question...do you apply the BLO to the inside of the action cuts and barrel channel as well or something else in there?
How would you compare the boiled linseed oil to tru oil ?
Great video. What grid sand paper you use to sand the oil in?
Anders from Sweden
I have a question. When applying oil to the checkering, should it be thinned to avoid tackiness?
Hello kurt, can I do this method but use ballistol balsin oil or walnutoil instead?
I see that is a 30-40 Krag.... I have one that I am trying to redo.... 120 years of crud and stain that is slowly coming out.
Would like to have a custom stock made for it.
That’s just great advice... got me a 22yr old Zoli 12gauge and the stock is a little dry... going to do this... so the checkering use a toothbrush?
Thanks in advance.
I see some tru oil on your bench....what projects do you like to use that on? Could you use LS oil for the rich color tone and then seal with tru oil for a bit better protection?
What about coloured laminate stocks. I have a laminate stock from Browning that is varying shades of tan grey and green. It was on the A Bolt Camo Stalker in the late eighties I'm worried sanding will spread different colors of sawdust to areas of different color.