What I can't give up on Android: • Browser engines (Firefox + uBlock origin) • File managers that really deserve their name. You can't even show hidden files or name an SMB share under iOS. • Syncthing • Keyboard (soo bad on iOS) • 3rd party app stores • possibility to install self developed apps easily • KDE Connect (limited on iOS) • Auto clickers • GPS spoofing through developer options • Functional but less beauty Widgets • Gesture control (back gesture) • Fingerprint readers (although it's not a software feature it is only available on android phones) • Launcher and OS freedom + customizable • I control my device and not the other way round.
What's keeping me on Android: - Fairphone - F-Droid - LineageOS - Actual web browsers where you can install extensions such as UBlock - By comparison Apple devices being unrepairable and Apple being shit to developers and trying to tax you on every level, not touching that anytime soon
I prefer Android, but it's good to remember that not every model allows you to flash new operating systems (some have locked bootliaders). Not every model is going to be supported for long (but some like Fairphone already have a longer support time than iphone). Android is more of a mixed bag, the best setups are better than iOs, but many are worse.
I use iOS only for how simple it is and the inter-connectivity with other apple devices. That seamless integration is nice. Even though I love Distro-Hopping with linux - once Apple Silicon performance is comparable to a 7600M or higher - I'll likely switch over to a Macbook full-time in the future, just for that seamless compatibility. Used to hate the apple ecosystem a decade ago and now I just like that works.
i wanted to be happy with graphene so bad, but ended up switching back to ios few months later anyway. the ios/macos integration is such a big productivity and convenience boost that the amount of extra privacy those alternatives offer simply isn't worth for me
I've used custom roms on android for 11+ years now with many different phones, of course and it's the one that i love the most from it. I've hardened my privacy too by not using much social media, removed every trackers, using fully offline stuff for those that don't actually need online connections & keep using vpn and private browser when i need to input my private, sensitive informations. I don't use my phone to monitor my wellbeing either. I've also been building my own ecosystem for years for my android, windows & linux stuff
What's important IMO is that Android did a massive step forward with security and privacy in the recent years and keeps pushing that back to older phones. The system is almost annoying at limiting permissions and battery time to any apps, including ability to let apps access e.g. only user-selected files instead of whole gallery, etc.. The level of configuration you get, same as for notifications, is mind blowing. Not to mention you have choice to use e.g. finger print reader unlike ios, where it's only face-reader cause apple says so.
I have spent many years playing around between GrapheneOS and iOS, but have settled with iOS. It fits my low threat model wonderfully. Basic Privacy tools like Signal, Proton Suite, Strongbox, and a Foss Browser take care of my main concerns. Plus, Advanced Data Protection has been a good experience. Great Video!
If I had to put Android and iOS on a Scale from 1 worst to 10 best for privacy : iOS would get 3 to 7 with 5 with 6 as the default. Android would get 1 to 7 with 5 as the default for a Google Pixel and 3 as the default for a Samsung Galaxy. CalyxOS and (the other one) would get an 3 to 9 with an 8 as the default. My conclusion: An iPhone is typically better for your privacy as an Android as you buy it. If you make your own decisions about the software and services you use, you can go much further with Android.
Apple's Advanced Data Protection is the only thing keeping me on iOS. I want my photos to be private without giving up the convenience of having face recognition, search etc. I know Ente Photos is a thing but it doesn't have streaming for videos yet so if you want to watch a big video it has to fully sync to the device first which can take a long time and file size is limited too. I know there is Immich which can be self hosted and stored on an encrypted drive on a server but then you have to maintain it etc. and it is not yet stable even though it works well.
I love being able to tinker with the OS and make Android just how I want it. Honestly at this point the main thing keeping me on Android is the fact that I can customize the UI, record phone calls on LineageOS/GrapheneOS and that I can transfer my Signal messages to a new device which is still not possible on iOS
I live in a country where Google has not started selling Pixels. There are _rumors_ about a possible 2025 launch, but I do not know whether Google will consider my warranty void if I install graphene on my phone (I know that this is not an issue in most of the world, but there has not been any practical/legal precedent set in my country as of yet). I also don't know if my banking/financial apps will work, and if I can get *any* developers to care about my plight if they do not (I also work in tech, and the approach to integrity checks is abysmal here). Which leaves me with apple devices as the most reliable devices with decentish security/privacy that I can actually acquire.
Custom roms Can void warranty, but all you need to do is reinstall Android if it isn't destroyed, As a GOS user and pixel 6 owner. The repairability factory is light years ahead of apple. I just repaired my battery myself and it was a breeze. I could of replaced a few more parts cheap too.
I have no idea what would happen if my phone for bricked to the point of preventing return to stock OS, and as I said, there is no legal/practical precedent where I live. Also, the plexus database does not have info on any of the apps I need because of availability issues.
@@prepor584 bricking is extremely rare. I understand your issues. Even when I thought I blocked my device, Google's site led me to a recovery mode and I reversed it back to stock android and I fixed the issue with GOS. Hopefully plexus gets an update on available for the apps you need. I don't run into that issue due to I use PWAs for my banking.
I like using both but with my family and my wife’s all on iOS it makes a lot of things easier. And for my “threat model” I feel like it does a good job for most people.
What I want is a full desktop OS I can run from my phone using an HDMI-USBC cable/hub. These things can run local AI models now but I can't use a real OS. (And no, Samsung Dex does NOT count.) I mean full x86 apps via a compatibility layer similar to Rosetta. Neither side has this.
I always had that 'stop' in my spirit when approached on taking an iphone. Never had peace. Love most androids - some are crap- but there are good ones.
Ad company is the gate keeper of your data on android. It all goes through them in one way or another. So why trust them to keep your data private when are motivated to get it for ads.
Privacy on either one is a ridiculous concept and not a serious discussion. The talk about cell phone privacy concerns de--googled phones and very expensive options only a few can justify.
For people who know then yes, but for consumers who are unaware, privacy could be everything they own but they don't know about. Many ppl have fallen for fake ads, scams & phishing because they don't know anything. Cyber hygiene is the most important thing in this day & age and it's a duty for the experts & experienced, if you will to open ppl's eyes abt how important it is because it does happen in real life. I've never got any phishing attempt while some of my friends who don't do anything abt their digital privacy fell into those traps. You might thing digital privacy isn't important because you're already an expert on keeping your digital space clean but for those who don't know, they need to be aware of it all because again, it could be their everything and they just don't know it
In short, Android for sophisticated people who know exactly what they are doing and want to do those sophisticated things. iPhone is for everyone, especially those dumb people who don’t know what phone security cyber security is, which unfortunately includes me…
I have an iPhone 15 pro max and an S24 ultra and love both. I agree with most of what you said, but i think apps on iOS run and look better than android.
I have picked Android for the amount of control you get with it I do wish there were other options though as even android can be somewhat limiting. For example a lot of apps lose functionality the second you rood the device like having root control all the sudden makes it less secure. What it really means is that you as the user have the control and can grant control to other applications as desired where as on an unrooted device google is the one with the control and apps like banking trust google a lot more than they trust the user. Unfortunately they can be right but personally I would still prefer to have that control myself. I will say that if you are not willing to take the time to harden android you are probably better off with ios as google tries to spy on you as much as possible by default.
Yeah, as much as I want to like android… they have cool phones like the nothing phone - but a lot of the apps are just ugly and not optimized, and therefore laggy und buggy. It’s awful.
btw you didnt mention that android is open source unlike ios and most of the ios options your mentioned are just what Apple claims to do, you cant really check if its bullet proof or not
What's better about these apps then their android counterparts exactly. Because I'm pretty happy with my messaging app (textra, though I'm sure by this point stock messages is comparable) , my video chat app (google meet) and my navigation app (Google maps) .
had a chance to use apple maps in a car recently... I thought android auto is annoying, but this ios thingy would be a crap even in 2007... o_O I just couln't bare how bad the UI is
I think you will have a lot more hard time making this video in 6 months since EU version of iOS will have 3rd party app stores, different engines etc. I mean hard time because you will have to start separating iOS EU version with the rest of the world. :D Only one objection, Android updates for Pixel and I think Samsung as well said for 7 years? but that leaves a very huge portion of the cheap phones that are other vendors. That will always be an iffy situation. Last I would like to hear more about the part at 1:46 on why iOS does not allow those features, not sure if it is an apple limitation or an actual development limitation, but I think it would be interesting as an added info
Americans are literally hooked on IOS because of other devices in the Apple ecosystem! All its users are pretty much in LOCKDOWN mode! 9:07 There are four options actually - Harmony & Graphene OS
Interesting review. In my opinion Android updates from Samsung were not working well. I bought a new tablet and could not get new android OS updates because Samsung didn't released for that specific chipset/model. Very disappointed. While Apple even on older iphone 6 was providing updates.
Apple’s chips in the newer iPhones pass data thru the phone before going thru the software called E2E encryption. Not secure. Google’s tensor chips do the same. Privacy is gone unless you move off the grid. Keep digging.
@@mysteriousm1 i watched the video and i agree with him but i know it sounds weird for you because of your american tunnel vision and bias towards apple
ADP by itself makes iOS objectively superior than any Android device. Apple also collects dramatically less data than google, although it isn’t zero. FaceID is both easier to use and more secure than Touch ID by far. Excluding flashing grapheneOS, there’s no reason to use Android for people who care about privacy & security. Apple is superior in that regard. Everything else is debatable and/or personal preference.
Which OS works best for your workflow and priorities? Why? Let me know below, I wanna hear!
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Samsung Dex
CalyxOS on a Pixel 8 Pro here. Some of my apps don't work without microG and the feature set of Graphene just doesn't cut it for me
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What I can't give up on Android:
• Browser engines (Firefox + uBlock origin)
• File managers that really deserve their name. You can't even show hidden files or name an SMB share under iOS.
• Syncthing
• Keyboard (soo bad on iOS)
• 3rd party app stores
• possibility to install self developed apps easily
• KDE Connect (limited on iOS)
• Auto clickers
• GPS spoofing through developer options
• Functional but less beauty Widgets
• Gesture control (back gesture)
• Fingerprint readers (although it's not a software feature it is only available on android phones)
• Launcher and OS freedom + customizable
• I control my device and not the other way round.
Totally agree with every point
keep in mid gecko is insecure in android
@@lussor1why?
Mac Randomisation
@@phoneywheeze iOS also does MAC address randomization (since 2020)
What's keeping me on Android:
- Fairphone
- F-Droid
- LineageOS
- Actual web browsers where you can install extensions such as UBlock
- By comparison Apple devices being unrepairable and Apple being shit to developers and trying to tax you on every level, not touching that anytime soon
GrapheneOS
GrapheneOS user here 👋
The only true way 🗿🗿🗿🗿
How you using TH-cam? Via a browser?
@@thesigma8508microg
Same here
@@thesigma8508Using Revanced patched TH-cam - this is the way :)
I prefer Android, but it's good to remember that not every model allows you to flash new operating systems (some have locked bootliaders). Not every model is going to be supported for long (but some like Fairphone already have a longer support time than iphone). Android is more of a mixed bag, the best setups are better than iOs, but many are worse.
We’ll see about Google long time supporting older devices… they’re the king of announcing projects and then just as quickly cancel them.
Termux is mandatory for me.. so no iOS. Many others too
I use iOS only for how simple it is and the inter-connectivity with other apple devices. That seamless integration is nice. Even though I love Distro-Hopping with linux - once Apple Silicon performance is comparable to a 7600M or higher - I'll likely switch over to a Macbook full-time in the future, just for that seamless compatibility. Used to hate the apple ecosystem a decade ago and now I just like that works.
i wanted to be happy with graphene so bad, but ended up switching back to ios few months later anyway. the ios/macos integration is such a big productivity and convenience boost that the amount of extra privacy those alternatives offer simply isn't worth for me
Nahh bruhh, ios is not simple at all, you will realize this only after you switch to android
@@MUIsaiyanGoku I had Android from 2011 - 2022. HTC, Samsung, Pixel, Motorola, Sony. Just didn’t work as well even when on graphene or oxygen.
I've used custom roms on android for 11+ years now with many different phones, of course and it's the one that i love the most from it. I've hardened my privacy too by not using much social media, removed every trackers, using fully offline stuff for those that don't actually need online connections & keep using vpn and private browser when i need to input my private, sensitive informations. I don't use my phone to monitor my wellbeing either. I've also been building my own ecosystem for years for my android, windows & linux stuff
What's important IMO is that Android did a massive step forward with security and privacy in the recent years and keeps pushing that back to older phones. The system is almost annoying at limiting permissions and battery time to any apps, including ability to let apps access e.g. only user-selected files instead of whole gallery, etc.. The level of configuration you get, same as for notifications, is mind blowing. Not to mention you have choice to use e.g. finger print reader unlike ios, where it's only face-reader cause apple says so.
iOS local encrypted backups looks really neat! Wish we had it on Android. Not switching to iOS just for that though.
I have spent many years playing around between GrapheneOS and iOS, but have settled with iOS. It fits my low threat model wonderfully. Basic Privacy tools like Signal, Proton Suite, Strongbox, and a Foss Browser take care of my main concerns. Plus, Advanced Data Protection has been a good experience. Great Video!
If I had to put Android and iOS on a Scale from 1 worst to 10 best for privacy :
iOS would get 3 to 7 with 5 with 6 as the default.
Android would get 1 to 7 with 5 as the default for a Google Pixel and 3 as the default for a Samsung Galaxy.
CalyxOS and (the other one) would get an 3 to 9 with an 8 as the default.
My conclusion: An iPhone is typically better for your privacy as an Android as you buy it. If you make your own decisions about the software and services you use, you can go much further with Android.
Apple's Advanced Data Protection is the only thing keeping me on iOS. I want my photos to be private without giving up the convenience of having face recognition, search etc.
I know Ente Photos is a thing but it doesn't have streaming for videos yet so if you want to watch a big video it has to fully sync to the device first which can take a long time and file size is limited too.
I know there is Immich which can be self hosted and stored on an encrypted drive on a server but then you have to maintain it etc. and it is not yet stable even though it works well.
I love being able to tinker with the OS and make Android just how I want it. Honestly at this point the main thing keeping me on Android is the fact that I can customize the UI, record phone calls on LineageOS/GrapheneOS and that I can transfer my Signal messages to a new device which is still not possible on iOS
I live in a country where Google has not started selling Pixels. There are _rumors_ about a possible 2025 launch, but I do not know whether Google will consider my warranty void if I install graphene on my phone (I know that this is not an issue in most of the world, but there has not been any practical/legal precedent set in my country as of yet). I also don't know if my banking/financial apps will work, and if I can get *any* developers to care about my plight if they do not (I also work in tech, and the approach to integrity checks is abysmal here). Which leaves me with apple devices as the most reliable devices with decentish security/privacy that I can actually acquire.
Custom roms Can void warranty, but all you need to do is reinstall Android if it isn't destroyed,
As a GOS user and pixel 6 owner.
The repairability factory is light years ahead of apple.
I just repaired my battery myself and it was a breeze. I could of replaced a few more parts cheap too.
There is also an app/site I believe that tells you the compatibility on custom roms too
I have no idea what would happen if my phone for bricked to the point of preventing return to stock OS, and as I said, there is no legal/practical precedent where I live.
Also, the plexus database does not have info on any of the apps I need because of availability issues.
@@prepor584 bricking is extremely rare. I understand your issues. Even when I thought I blocked my device, Google's site led me to a recovery mode and I reversed it back to stock android and I fixed the issue with GOS. Hopefully plexus gets an update on available for the apps you need.
I don't run into that issue due to I use PWAs for my banking.
Android is just better ❤
I like using both but with my family and my wife’s all on iOS it makes a lot of things easier. And for my “threat model” I feel like it does a good job for most people.
GrapheneOS is number 1 🎉
For the algorithm.
good video as always and i am also switching to a android soon 👍
What I want is a full desktop OS I can run from my phone using an HDMI-USBC cable/hub. These things can run local AI models now but I can't use a real OS. (And no, Samsung Dex does NOT count.) I mean full x86 apps via a compatibility layer similar to Rosetta. Neither side has this.
+1 GrapheneOS.
I always had that 'stop' in my spirit when approached on taking an iphone. Never had peace. Love most androids - some are crap- but there are good ones.
I have both, like both, use for different jobs
How about don't spend that much time on a tiny screen.
Compatible with both operating systems :)
I think not all androids support multiple users, e.g. samsung.
Different OS's only work on certain Android phones.
Ad company is the gate keeper of your data on android. It all goes through them in one way or another. So why trust them to keep your data private when are motivated to get it for ads.
Android: Syncthing.
I'm sorry but the iPhone drawbacks are not worth it....
Big Ups nice video lots of bots in the comments today for some reason.
Privacy on either one is a ridiculous concept and not a serious discussion. The talk about cell phone privacy concerns de--googled phones and very expensive options only a few can justify.
For people who know then yes, but for consumers who are unaware, privacy could be everything they own but they don't know about. Many ppl have fallen for fake ads, scams & phishing because they don't know anything. Cyber hygiene is the most important thing in this day & age and it's a duty for the experts & experienced, if you will to open ppl's eyes abt how important it is because it does happen in real life. I've never got any phishing attempt while some of my friends who don't do anything abt their digital privacy fell into those traps.
You might thing digital privacy isn't important because you're already an expert on keeping your digital space clean but for those who don't know, they need to be aware of it all because again, it could be their everything and they just don't know it
In short, Android for sophisticated people who know exactly what they are doing and want to do those sophisticated things. iPhone is for everyone, especially those dumb people who don’t know what phone security cyber security is, which unfortunately includes me…
You can pry open an android easily. iOS is the most difficult.
Not impossible though.
Many apps are not available on crapple because they do mot allow apps with gpl license
Private relay in safari i cant give up. Websites sometimes dont work with vpn
I use android after debloating it with ADB
Haypatia for Android is an excellent malware scanner. It really does a great job.
Btw, how about HarmonyOS by Huawei? I haven't used it but I'm curious about it, is it worth it?
I have an iPhone 15 pro max and an S24 ultra and love both. I agree with most of what you said, but i think apps on iOS run and look better than android.
VPN actually works on Android!
ProtonVPN works great on iOS! No issues here.
Get rid of over-priced and under-powered CrApple devices. Android and Linux FTW!!!
I have picked Android for the amount of control you get with it I do wish there were other options though as even android can be somewhat limiting. For example a lot of apps lose functionality the second you rood the device like having root control all the sudden makes it less secure. What it really means is that you as the user have the control and can grant control to other applications as desired where as on an unrooted device google is the one with the control and apps like banking trust google a lot more than they trust the user. Unfortunately they can be right but personally I would still prefer to have that control myself. I will say that if you are not willing to take the time to harden android you are probably better off with ios as google tries to spy on you as much as possible by default.
More Apps Better Apps
I had to switch back to IOS just because i couldn't see the ugly app interfaces and app optimization on android.
Yeah, as much as I want to like android… they have cool phones like the nothing phone - but a lot of the apps are just ugly and not optimized, and therefore laggy und buggy. It’s awful.
because I'm on linux i can only use android because for ios i need itunes & that is not on linux FYI i know you can in wine
btw you didnt mention that android is open source unlike ios and most of the ios options your mentioned are just what Apple claims to do, you cant really check if its bullet proof or not
Apple Maps iMessage FaceTime are the only things that are keeping me on a iPhone
What's better about these apps then their android counterparts exactly. Because I'm pretty happy with my messaging app (textra, though I'm sure by this point stock messages is comparable) , my video chat app (google meet) and my navigation app (Google maps) .
@@chrisphace420Apple Maps claims not to store or save your location on their servers to my understanding
had a chance to use apple maps in a car recently... I thought android auto is annoying, but this ios thingy would be a crap even in 2007... o_O I just couln't bare how bad the UI is
I think you will have a lot more hard time making this video in 6 months since EU version of iOS will have 3rd party app stores, different engines etc. I mean hard time because you will have to start separating iOS EU version with the rest of the world. :D
Only one objection, Android updates for Pixel and I think Samsung as well said for 7 years? but that leaves a very huge portion of the cheap phones that are other vendors. That will always be an iffy situation.
Last I would like to hear more about the part at 1:46 on why iOS does not allow those features, not sure if it is an apple limitation or an actual development limitation, but I think it would be interesting as an added info
Hmmm...
This brings up a very good question:
I wonder if there will be TH-cam channels going forward, dedicated to Apple in the EU.
Face ID is better on iPhone!
Americans are literally hooked on IOS because of other devices in the Apple ecosystem!
All its users are pretty much in LOCKDOWN mode!
9:07 There are four options actually - Harmony & Graphene OS
Interesting review. In my opinion Android updates from Samsung were not working well. I bought a new tablet and could not get new android OS updates because Samsung didn't released for that specific chipset/model. Very disappointed. While Apple even on older iphone 6 was providing updates.
You're kinda cute
Androids need to be replaced every two years. Apple higher quality phone plus e2e encryption 🎉
That iPhone ecosystem is a cybersecurity savings grace. No malware. No bugs or worms. SIEM accounts…mfa…encryption…just good on security hardening.
So like Graphene OS but proprietary and easily swayed by governments to do whatever they want?
Apple’s chips in the newer iPhones pass data thru the phone before going thru the software called E2E encryption. Not secure. Google’s tensor chips do the same. Privacy is gone unless you move off the grid. Keep digging.
Bro finally cracked the algorithm
Money
When apple stuff is end-to-end encryption, one end is the phone, what is the other end. What I am asking, is if Apple has zero knowledge.
Thanks to the DMA, could TH-cam channels now be segmented between European Union Tech Channels vs um, everywhere else?
Hmmm...
So, This video or content is not meant for average user but for people who are into tech. If that is not the case, then you're in a bubble.
wHerE iS tHE vErDicT bRaH
At the end, clearly time stamped :)
@@techlore I mean, a question is not an answer :p
One of the only things keeping me on iOS is ecosystem, and the fact that Windows (8, 10, 11), and all Linux flavors suck ass.
are you ok ?
you seem unhappy since one or two years 🙁
what the 😂😂😂
Choice & customisation are only android apple is for people who don't think & don't care or are only interested in the bragging/ fashion.
Tell me you haven't watched the video without telling me you haven't watched the video
@@mysteriousm1 i watched the video and i agree with him but i know it sounds weird for you because of your american tunnel vision and bias towards apple
ADP by itself makes iOS objectively superior than any Android device. Apple also collects dramatically less data than google, although it isn’t zero. FaceID is both easier to use and more secure than Touch ID by far.
Excluding flashing grapheneOS, there’s no reason to use Android for people who care about privacy & security. Apple is superior in that regard. Everything else is debatable and/or personal preference.