What do you think really happened to Zenobia? Do you think the Romans really let her live the rest of her life in their kingdom? Let us know what you think!
She actually spent the rest of her life somewhat comfortably in Italian peninsula. While it may not be normal back then, Aurelian was remarkably benovalent and forgiving for the time.
Zenobia her name arab Is zainab herself claimed to be of Ptolemaic descent,False claim Because she likes Cleopatra she is an Arab pheonician . While Al-Tabari claimed that she was one of the Arab Amalekites pheonicians mean Palmyrene society was an amalgam of Semitic-speaking peoples, mostly Arabs semitic people and Arameans also semitic mean same people same race , and Zenobia cannot be identified with any one group; as a Palmyrene, she may have had both Arab and Aramaean ancestry. Information about Zenobia's ancestry and immediate family connections is scarce and contradictory. Nothing is known about her mother, and her father's identity is debated. Manichaean sources mention a "Nafsha", sister of the "queen of Palmyra", but those sources are confused and "Nafsha" may refer to Zenobia herself:it is doubtful that Zenobia had a sister. Apparently not a commoner,[27] Zenobia would have received an education appropriate for a noble Palmyrene girl.[28] The Historia Augusta contains details of her early life, although their veracity is dubious; According to the Historia Augusta, the queen's hobby as a child was hunting[27] and, in addition to her Palmyrene Aramaic mother tongue, she was fluent in Egyptian and Greek and spoke Latin.[29][30] When she was about fourteen years old (ca. 255), Zenobia became the second wife of Odaenathus, the ras ("lord") of Palmyra.Noble families in Palmyra often intermarried, and it is probable that Zenobia and Odaenathus shared some ancestors.
Zenobia got the short end of the stick. She was overshadowed by Oedanathus, and had to face Aurelian, probably the greatest emperor in military terms to rule the empire.
Zenobia is extremely lucky, she should be thankful Aurelian let her remarry and stay in an estate for the rest of her life with her children. Aurelian gave her retirement after she backstabbed him
12 year roman prisoner, Diocletian sat roman emperor and fell in love with zenobia ptolemy-epiphanes, Diocletian retired to Croatia with wife zenobia and daughter 1 of 3 wrote historic apology letter to Christians for her father's genocide of Christians before he and zenobia became Christians. Thanks for your video!
Did You Know? Cleopatra wasn't Egyptian. Cleopatra VII (51-30 BCE) belonged to the Ptolemaic dynasty, a family of Greek origin that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great. Her family actually refused to speak Egyptian, and she was the first to learn the language. The misconception about her nationality may have arisen from the way she represented herself in public - as the reincarnation of Isis, an Egyptian goddess.
Did you know ? Cleopatra actually spoke 10 languages including Greek, Egyptian and Roman. And that she and her Siblings (Ptolemy XIII, Arsinoe IV and Ptolemy XIV) had such an imbred family that these guys only had a single pair of Greatgrandparents.
I don't know if those are true facts, but they are fascinating tidbits. I will "do my own research." 🤣 Thanks for giving us some intrigue to explore. Knowing the propensity for dynasties to want to retain the purity of their bloodlines, I don't doubt what you say is likely true. Very interesting!
@Evelina1995 Caesar wasn’t an emperor. And the Ptolemies had only three occasions in which they married women outside of their lineage, the rest of the time was with their own sisters, cousins, or nieces.
They weren’t the only dynasty to do either. Egypt’s dynasties as a whole were extremely inbred. Brother-Sister and even nastier Parent-Child marriages were common, it led to a lot of deformities. They wanted to keep the royal bloodlines “pure”. The huge German-Scandinavian royal family that comprises all of Europe’s current royals and those of many defunct European monarchies are notoriously inbred as well. In there case its always been cousin marriages but after enough generations the inbreeding catches up and it’s little better than the Pharaonic families who once ruled Egypt. An infamous defect was the so-called Habsburg Jaw.
I can’t say anything for certain, however, there was tones of assassinations going around. It’s totally possible Aurelian had Zenobia quietly assassinated after parading her to boost his victory and “showing mercy” for political popularity. One thing I can say for certain there is no records of her after captivity.
I found traces of her having lived at Hardian's Villa in Tivoli after she was brought to Rome by Aurelian, thereafter, the trail dies out. I also read that she had a daughter with a senator whom she married after her capture. The daughter's name is Lucias Septimia Patavina Babbilla Tyria Nepotilla Odeathiania.
And there are those who say that she spent rest of her life alone and miserable in a small house, even though she lived in Villa and was definitely not alone.
@@anirudh177 I won't call it an exile if she lived in the city of Rome. Plus, she was of senatorial order, which is definitely the *highest* class in Rome. And yes, she survived.
I don't think it's fair to say she didn't do ANYTHING to oppose Rome. Taking Egypt alone cut Rome from it's biggest food supplier, so she was threatening the Empire. Aurelian also spared Palmyra, THEN other cities surrendered, knowing they would have it easy of they did. And I don't believe Aurelian would be embarrassed by Zenobia, she was am opportunist during a time Aurelian had more things to worry about
Did you know Cleopatra lived closer to us than she did Menes, the first Pharoah of the unified Egypt who lived 2925bc, whereas Cleopatra died 31bc, or 2053 ytd. And Cleopatra was a product of Egypt's decline subjugation by foreign powers, in her case Hellenic Greeks. And did you know "Egypt" is the Greek name for the capital city Memphis. Ancient Egyptians called their land "Kemet". Looking at the world through Greek perspectives translates prejudices and is often wrong.
Fun fact, later on in early Islamic history the name Zaynab was very popular for women especially in Yahtrib/Medina. It is thought that they were named after this queen and the name Zaynab is still popular now because of the prophet Muhammad's (saw) wife Zaynab bint Jahsh (ra).
Zenobia her name arab Is zainab herself claimed to be of Ptolemaic descent,False claim Because she likes Cleopatra she is an Arab pheonician . While Al-Tabari claimed that she was one of the Arab Amalekites pheonicians mean Palmyrene society was an amalgam of Semitic-speaking peoples, mostly Arabs semitic people and Arameans also semitic race mean same people, and Zenobia cannot be identified with any one group; as a Palmyrene, she may have had both Arab and Aramaean ancestry. Information about Zenobia's ancestry and immediate family connections is scarce and contradictory. Nothing is known about her mother, and her father's identity is debated. Manichaean sources mention a "Nafsha", sister of the "queen of Palmyra",but those sources are confused and "Nafsha" may refer to Zenobia herself: it is doubtful that Zenobia had a sister. Apparently not a commoner, Zenobia would have received an education appropriate for a noble Palmyrene girl.The Historia Augusta contains details of her early life, although their veracity is dubious; According to the Historia Augusta, the queen's hobby as a child was hunting and, in addition to her Palmyrene Aramaic mother tongue, she was fluent in Egyptian and Greek and spoke Latin.When she was about fourteen years old (ca. 255), Zenobia became the second wife of Odaenathus, the ras ("lord") of Palmyra. Noble families in Palmyra often intermarried, and it is probable that Zenobia and Odaenathus shared some ancestors.
The mother language of queen Zenobia was Aramaic. She was from Aramean origin and her Aramaic name was Bat-Zabbai, that means "daugther of Zabbai". If you wants to learn more about queen Zenobia, then you can better make research in Aramaic sources. Prof Arman Akopian and Prof Sebastian Brock has published many information about the Aramean warrior queen Zenobia of Palmyra.
She actually spend the rest of her life somewhat comfortably in Italian peninsula. While it may not be normal back then, Aurelian was remarkably benovalent and forgiving for most part.
I wish if there were more imagery provided, in general. What was the borders of this Palmyra; was it part of the Syrian province of Rome? Because I procrastinate more often, there should be several changing musical tracks in the video; and that'd not affect the content academically, I believe, right?
In school they told us that one of the rumors is that she was wearing a ring with some poison in it, & when they took her captive, she drank the poison and 💀
Great video! What do you think were the main differences between the Gallic Empire and Palmyrene Empire during the Crisis of the Third Century? I’m mainly interested in the differences in the administrative, cultural, political spheres etc.
Culturally speaking, they simply don't have enough time to really bring a significant change. In administrative and political terms, their system must have been similar to Romans given how they themselves were Romans afterall.
She lived in simple house in the roman empire after they chained her with gold and dragg her their to humilate her in front of all the roman people, of course not allowed to leave the house until the end of her life.
@@madhurawat155 says who, they captured and chained her and dragg her to in front of roman people to humilate her after that forced her to live in small house far from other people so she cant escap or get someone to help and never step out from the house because there is guards ready to kill her, there is no luxury or fun to live in your enemy house. 😒
@@shaikhaalsaedi965 Zenobia was a Roman citizen of senatorial order, her 1st husband (Odenathus) and 2nd husband (the one who she would marry after the war) were of senatorial order as well. And in case you don't know, the senatorial order was the *highest class* of citizens in ancient Rome, and even the poorest members of senatorial order lies in the *top 1%* The bottom line is, that she spent the rest of her life not in a small house, but in a large estate. Her limitations were not the walls of the house but the boundaries of the farmfields. And she was rich enough to purchase all kind of things. Yes, there were travel restrictions on her, but a vast majority of Romans couldn't even afford to travel long distances, so she was in no way worse off than most Roman citizens. And if travel restrictions is too bad for you, you must not forget that she was a Roman citizen of senatorial order who rebelled against the imperial authority in Rome, and others in her place would've been outright executed instead.
What do you think really happened to Zenobia? Do you think the Romans really let her live the rest of her life in their kingdom? Let us know what you think!
I think Aurelian let her go because even glorius generals like him cannot beunimpressed by her bravery.
It depends on how a respectable Roman reacts to having his backside kicked all over the desert by a woman
She actually spent the rest of her life somewhat comfortably in Italian peninsula. While it may not be normal back then, Aurelian was remarkably benovalent and forgiving for the time.
She no have any relationship with Cleopatra
She is arab pheonician
Zenobia her name arab
Is zainab
herself claimed to be of Ptolemaic descent,False claim
Because she likes Cleopatra
she is an Arab pheonician
. While Al-Tabari claimed that she was one of the Arab Amalekites pheonicians mean
Palmyrene society was an amalgam of Semitic-speaking peoples, mostly Arabs semitic people and Arameans also semitic mean same people same race , and Zenobia cannot be identified with any one group; as a Palmyrene, she may have had both Arab and Aramaean ancestry. Information about Zenobia's ancestry and immediate family connections is scarce and contradictory. Nothing is known about her mother, and her father's identity is debated. Manichaean sources mention a "Nafsha", sister of the "queen of Palmyra", but those sources are confused and "Nafsha" may refer to Zenobia herself:it is doubtful that Zenobia had a sister.
Apparently not a commoner,[27] Zenobia would have received an education appropriate for a noble Palmyrene girl.[28] The Historia Augusta contains details of her early life, although their veracity is dubious; According to the Historia Augusta, the queen's hobby as a child was hunting[27] and, in addition to her Palmyrene Aramaic mother tongue, she was fluent in Egyptian and Greek and spoke Latin.[29][30] When she was about fourteen years old (ca. 255), Zenobia became the second wife of Odaenathus, the ras ("lord") of Palmyra.Noble families in Palmyra often intermarried, and it is probable that Zenobia and Odaenathus shared some ancestors.
Zenobia got the short end of the stick. She was overshadowed by Oedanathus, and had to face Aurelian, probably the greatest emperor in military terms to rule the empire.
Odenathus stayed loyal to Rome while Zenobia didn't. So it's obvious that she was overshadowed by him.
Zenobia is extremely lucky, she should be thankful Aurelian let her remarry and stay in an estate for the rest of her life with her children. Aurelian gave her retirement after she backstabbed him
We dont know that for a fact@@KumarAnshs
12 year roman prisoner, Diocletian sat roman emperor and fell in love with zenobia ptolemy-epiphanes, Diocletian retired to Croatia with wife zenobia and daughter 1 of 3 wrote historic apology letter to Christians for her father's genocide of Christians before he and zenobia became Christians. Thanks for your video!
Thanks for watching!
Very helpful. Thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
Can you please tell us the real story of MEDUSA? 😊😊
A thing for certain, her origins made by Ovid was not authentic
Did You Know? Cleopatra wasn't Egyptian. Cleopatra VII (51-30 BCE) belonged to the Ptolemaic dynasty, a family of Greek origin that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great. Her family actually refused to speak Egyptian, and she was the first to learn the language. The misconception about her nationality may have arisen from the way she represented herself in public - as the reincarnation of Isis, an Egyptian goddess.
Did you know ? Cleopatra actually spoke 10 languages including Greek, Egyptian and Roman. And that she and her Siblings (Ptolemy XIII, Arsinoe IV and Ptolemy XIV) had such an imbred family that these guys only had a single pair of Greatgrandparents.
@@cgt3704 yes its another fact about her.
I don't know if those are true facts, but they are fascinating tidbits. I will "do my own research." 🤣 Thanks for giving us some intrigue to explore. Knowing the propensity for dynasties to want to retain the purity of their bloodlines, I don't doubt what you say is likely true. Very interesting!
@Evelina1995 Caesar wasn’t an emperor. And the Ptolemies had only three occasions in which they married women outside of their lineage, the rest of the time was with their own sisters, cousins, or nieces.
They weren’t the only dynasty to do either. Egypt’s dynasties as a whole were extremely inbred. Brother-Sister and even nastier Parent-Child marriages were common, it led to a lot of deformities. They wanted to keep the royal bloodlines “pure”.
The huge German-Scandinavian royal family that comprises all of Europe’s current royals and those of many defunct European monarchies are notoriously inbred as well. In there case its always been cousin marriages but after enough generations the inbreeding catches up and it’s little better than the Pharaonic families who once ruled Egypt. An infamous defect was the so-called Habsburg Jaw.
I can’t say anything for certain, however, there was tones of assassinations going around. It’s totally possible Aurelian had Zenobia quietly assassinated after parading her to boost his victory and “showing mercy” for political popularity. One thing I can say for certain there is no records of her after captivity.
Thanks for sharing your insight, Darius. 🙂
I found traces of her having lived at Hardian's Villa in Tivoli after she was brought to Rome by Aurelian, thereafter, the trail dies out. I also read that she had a daughter with a senator whom she married after her capture. The daughter's name is Lucias Septimia Patavina Babbilla Tyria Nepotilla Odeathiania.
And there are those who say that she spent rest of her life alone and miserable in a small house, even though she lived in Villa and was definitely not alone.
I want to "believe" she survived and was held as somewhat of a second-class citizen of Roman.
she was exiled by the Romans and spent the rest of her life stuck in the city of Rome.
@@anirudh177 I won't call it an exile if she lived in the city of Rome. Plus, she was of senatorial order, which is definitely the *highest* class in Rome. And yes, she survived.
Arab Queen
not really arab but syrian. They spoke aramean back then
@@johnmalik2631 she was arab, her father was an Arab sheikh (tribal leader)
@@johnmalik2631 she was Arab. Language doesn’t equal lineage.
@@wowzzz402 well yea her lineage is native to the levant, aka syrian. yemenis or omanis don´t have the same lineage as her
@@johnmalik2631 no she was from an Arab tribe and Arabs originated in the peninsula. The levant have their own ethnic peoples.
Welcome to Chaldea, my queen.
A fellow master that got her 👍
Syrian queen, we rebel against dictatorship that’s who we are the Zenobia spirit
I see another fellow FGO Player. Congratulations on getting her!
grailed her to Lvl 100 and NP3. Truly worthy
I don't think it's fair to say she didn't do ANYTHING to oppose Rome. Taking Egypt alone cut Rome from it's biggest food supplier, so she was threatening the Empire. Aurelian also spared Palmyra, THEN other cities surrendered, knowing they would have it easy of they did. And I don't believe Aurelian would be embarrassed by Zenobia, she was am opportunist during a time Aurelian had more things to worry about
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 🙂
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Surprised you replied!
Considering you are reading this, I geniunly love the videos!
Keep it up :D
As expected, really nice content!!
Thanks for watching!
Zenobia🇸🇾🦅
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Did you know Cleopatra lived closer to us than she did Menes, the first Pharoah of the unified Egypt who lived 2925bc, whereas Cleopatra died 31bc, or 2053 ytd. And Cleopatra was a product of Egypt's decline subjugation by foreign powers, in her case Hellenic Greeks.
And did you know "Egypt" is the Greek name for the capital city Memphis. Ancient Egyptians called their land "Kemet".
Looking at the world through Greek perspectives translates prejudices and is often wrong.
Nice presentation! But the audio could be better though, it's too roomy or auditorium'ish. Subscribed! 👍
Fun fact, later on in early Islamic history the name Zaynab was very popular for women especially in Yahtrib/Medina. It is thought that they were named after this queen and the name Zaynab is still popular now because of the prophet Muhammad's (saw) wife Zaynab bint Jahsh (ra).
Zenobia her name arab
Is zainab
herself claimed to be of Ptolemaic descent,False claim
Because she likes Cleopatra
she is an Arab pheonician
. While Al-Tabari claimed that she was one of the Arab Amalekites pheonicians mean
Palmyrene society was an amalgam of Semitic-speaking peoples, mostly Arabs semitic people and Arameans also semitic race mean same people, and Zenobia cannot be identified with any one group; as a Palmyrene, she may have had both Arab and Aramaean ancestry. Information about Zenobia's ancestry and immediate family connections is scarce and contradictory. Nothing is known about her mother, and her father's identity is debated. Manichaean sources mention a "Nafsha", sister of the "queen of Palmyra",but those sources are confused and "Nafsha" may refer to Zenobia herself: it is doubtful that Zenobia had a sister.
Apparently not a commoner, Zenobia would have received an education appropriate for a noble Palmyrene girl.The Historia Augusta contains details of her early life, although their veracity is dubious; According to the Historia Augusta, the queen's hobby as a child was hunting and, in addition to her Palmyrene Aramaic mother tongue, she was fluent in Egyptian and Greek and spoke Latin.When she was about fourteen years old (ca. 255), Zenobia became the second wife of Odaenathus, the ras ("lord") of Palmyra. Noble families in Palmyra often intermarried, and it is probable that Zenobia and Odaenathus shared some ancestors.
The mother language of queen Zenobia was Aramaic. She was from Aramean origin and her Aramaic name was Bat-Zabbai, that means "daugther of Zabbai". If you wants to learn more about queen Zenobia, then you can better make research in Aramaic sources. Prof Arman Akopian and Prof Sebastian Brock has published many information about the Aramean warrior queen Zenobia of Palmyra.
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Is it safe to say that Zenobia should not have started the first attack as it seems like it had lead to her doom?
My money would be on Door #2: they done her in.
Very good as always Kelly!
I don't believe she survived nor her son. Ancient Romans didn't forgive rebellion.
She actually spend the rest of her life somewhat comfortably in Italian peninsula. While it may not be normal back then, Aurelian was remarkably benovalent and forgiving for most part.
Great video! Where did the black and white photo of the busts come from??? Thanks!
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Thanks for your recommendation. Stay tuned for more videos on other civilisations/cultures in the future.
Syria 💪💪
Palmyra Empire 🇸🇦
I wish if there were more imagery provided, in general.
What was the borders of this Palmyra; was it part of the Syrian province of Rome?
Because I procrastinate more often, there should be several changing musical tracks in the video; and that'd not affect the content academically, I believe, right?
In school they told us that one of the rumors is that she was wearing a ring with some poison in it, & when they took her captive, she drank the poison and 💀
The story I know is she suicided in the end or during her journey to Rome, she was on a hunger strike and got someone to sneak poisonous herbs to her
Great video! What do you think were the main differences between the Gallic Empire and Palmyrene Empire during the Crisis of the Third Century? I’m mainly interested in the differences in the administrative, cultural, political spheres etc.
Culturally speaking, they simply don't have enough time to really bring a significant change. In administrative and political terms, their system must have been similar to Romans given how they themselves were Romans afterall.
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She lived in simple house in the roman empire after they chained her with gold and dragg her their to humilate her in front of all the roman people, of course not allowed to leave the house until the end of her life.
As far as I know Aurelius proposed to her and she refused then committed suicide.
That syrian drama lies 🤣
@@shaikhaalsaedi965 I do not watch syrian drama. It a research on google. It may be false history.
She actually spent the rest of her life somewhat comfortably in Italian peninsula.
@@madhurawat155 says who, they captured and chained her and dragg her to in front of roman people to humilate her after that forced her to live in small house far from other people so she cant escap or get someone to help and never step out from the house because there is guards ready to kill her, there is no luxury or fun to live in your enemy house. 😒
@@shaikhaalsaedi965 Zenobia was a Roman citizen of senatorial order, her 1st husband (Odenathus) and 2nd husband (the one who she would marry after the war) were of senatorial order as well.
And in case you don't know, the senatorial order was the *highest class* of citizens in ancient Rome, and even the poorest members of senatorial order lies in the *top 1%*
The bottom line is, that she spent the rest of her life not in a small house, but in a large estate. Her limitations were not the walls of the house but the boundaries of the farmfields. And she was rich enough to purchase all kind of things. Yes, there were travel restrictions on her, but a vast majority of Romans couldn't even afford to travel long distances, so she was in no way worse off than most Roman citizens.
And if travel restrictions is too bad for you, you must not forget that she was a Roman citizen of senatorial order who rebelled against the imperial authority in Rome, and others in her place would've been outright executed instead.
"warrior queen"
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