How good/bad is the clamping force of these? I've been using the HD 660S and the clamping force is just killing me, can't wear them anymore even tho they sound great
Wider sound stage, and mid range clarity are my biggest needs. I ordered NDH 30's a few days ago, Im looking forward to hear how they can help me level up on mix/masters
How are these cans? I'm planning on getting these instead of studio monitors cause my room needs serious acoustic work done. I'm just a little worried cause I've read that it's lacking on high end and it's hard to to even hear reverb tails. But I've read that they translate really well to other systems
@@millies1264 how did they work out? Better question is how have I ever managed to work without them? No exaggeration. Once you get used to them, they are the gift that keeps on giving from mix to master .
Clarity and evenness is the most important factor for me in choosing headphones. I have Samson SR850's right now and Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro's are in my wishlist not as an upgrade, but rather a side-grade. DT770's seems like the best of all worlds for me when it comes to headphones.
For me. Bass is more important with headphones. As “wide” as they can be they wont rival monitors. HOWEVER. In an untreated room, such as my own, it’s crucial to have good reference headphones and having a good bass is more important as “width” is kinda hard to loose with monitors, its really reliant on your placements etc. I mainly use my headphones for referencing and or producing at late/early hours. Or if I’m enjoying some synthesisers outside the studio!!
I see what you mean, and I think good bass is important, but I think we have to define what we mean by good bass. For me, good bass is having a low subass, and having a clean tight bass response. For example, my grado sr80es are don’t have a lot of bass, but they have very crisp bass. Compared to something like the raycons, which have sooo much bass it’s overpowering, but none of it is good. And for me, having a good soundstage and detailing for headphones is as important if not more important than base, because headphones will generally always be more detailed then studio monitors. Studio monitors will always have less color in a sound treated room, which is why they are recommended in a studio environment, but they generally have less detail than a similar class of headphones. (Not to mention, headphones are just cheaper than speakers in general)
Today I just bought the Neumann NDHh30's. So far they sound really flat which is great. I will be using them to mix mostly. I have been using the Audio Technica's and they were very bright. Now I will have to remix all my music based on the accurate sound of the Neumanns.
I had the Neumann NDH 20. I sold them for Sennheiser HD 650's. I like working on the Sennheiser's better over all I guess i like open backs more than i thought i did. I loved the Neumann NDH 20's. The build quality is the best. The Build quality of the Sennheiser HD 650 is a joke but i still love the sound. I would love to Pick up the NDH 30 I bet they are what i was missing with the HD 20s. I just felt that the mids tired me out. I was like man if they only had a open back version this would be the best head phone ever. I can only bet the NDH 30 are what i was missing and more.
bass is slightly more important to me but soundstage is still closely important to me, but I like to hear and feel the bass without things getting muddy like some consumer listening devices
got my ndh 20s and boy sound they good. i trust them like my geithains, its so easy to make decissions everything sounds so balanced and "unbiased" its now a canvas u can paint on like on good monitors (but the room arrrr) distance is easy to measure due to the natural and precise highs most headphones are to present and blure the distance perception but this helps not at bad timing the ndh sound very precise and show u whats up like looking at ur painting canvas man i can c clearly now like mr Cliff
Im using HD560s for mixing & mastering , i chose this after a long search for flat headphones & they beat headphones 5× higher in price , right now im looking for the perfect closed back headphones, i was really looking into the ndh20's , but their bassy character threw me off , the new open backs are a welcome addition but i think ill keep searching
Sanjay, I own the NDH30 and love them for their even tonal balance. Midrange is just right. I'd be fone with a bit more treble but I don't crave it. My problem is the assymetrical positioning of a relatively small driver. To get the sound i like I have to push the headphones all the way back so the front of my ear touches the front of the earpad. Do the 1990s have a tonality that is relatively balanced. In other words, I do not like recessed mids, boomy bass, exagerated lower midrange etc. Do the 1990s compare tonaly to the ndh30s?
The real question is what about the depth , cause that is the most important thing when it comes to tracking and mixing if they give you depth than you know exactly where to place sound in a 3d space
I'm like you - I usually use my studio monitors rather than headphones. But I do don them for checking the mastering. My headphones of choice are Sony MDR-1AM2 headphones, which I usually use to just listen to music. Which actually makes them useful for mastering because it represents my own normal listening environment. But now I'm considering if I should have some studio headphones, too...
I’ve been trying to decide between these and the DT1990s for quite a while ( in the process of saving up👍). I can’t treat my current room, so I figure a really great pair of open back headphones would be a more useful investment than monitors right now. Did you happen to try the Neumann with something like Sonarworks? I’d be interested to hear how the NDH30s and DT1990s compare when their respective frequencies are flattened. Thanks for all the fantastic videos!
I felt that Sonarworks flattens the Beyers but that gets rid of their competitive edge. I like the super clarity in high frequencies when I’m picking out problems. I prefer to use and learn headphones the way they were intended to sound. But that’s just me. Have you had a good experience with Sonarworks for other headphones?
@@SanjayC I definitely have, but I think it’s because headphones are my only option right now. I found when I used Sonarworks with my DT770 Pros, my mixes were far more balanced. Without it, they were coming out much too dark. However, I frequently turn off Sonarworks throughout my process to check various things.
@@SanjayC Maybe better wording would be "how the manufacturer managed to make them sound" 🤔 Ideal frequency balance is basicly impossible to achieve mechanically. I prefer great dynamics, accurate imaging and "realistic" soundstage over frequency balance out of the box. Corrective equalization can be done so easily and for free if you use AutoEQ precalculated results for example 😊
Definitely interested in checking these out. I've tried out a fair few headphones for mixing and tracking over the years and my favourites are actually some of the less expensive ones. For tracking I love the old classics..Sony MDR 7506 and for mixing AKG K701. Both are super comfortable to wear for long sessions and what I love about the AKG's is that not only are they lightweight and inexpensive but they're really flat and don't colour the sound. I've found that if I mix on them it translates really well to the sound I hear on my speakers. As always, it's down to personal choice but that's what works for me.
@@photosinferno6870 ahh ok that's kool, I'm just look for a portable interface for myself, I guess audient ID24 should be good, I checked it seems very good for headset above 80 omh impedance
I currently use the Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro and I absolutely love it but I want to get the Neumann NDH 30 and or NDH 20 in the future. They look stunning!
Thanks so much for the review Sanjay! I bought the NDH-20 on your recommendation from your old headphone videos. I like them a lot! but when the NDH-30s came out I wondered if I should get them as well … or instead. Tbh I think I’ll keep the 20s as a do-all headphone and add a different brand open back headphone (such as a Beyer) for mix comparison in the future. The 20s don’t boom but that frequency response goes low!! So low you could check your low end without a sub 😵💫
Hello, Sanjay C two weeks ago I searched the best headphones for me and I choose the beyerdynamic dt770. In your last video i asked you about what mic should i buy and i thi nk about three of them shure mv7 or rode nt1a or akg p120. Oh, and when you will do a Q&A live? Thanks!
Awesome video once again Sanjay! I was actually about to get the HD 650 to use as a mixing headphone. But would you say the Neumann NDH 30 is the closest you would get to a "speaker" referenced balanced sound? I always have used closed backs, but I tend to get ear fatigue sooner as I don't use speakers as I am always on the go. Now I am hesitating on which one to go for after seeing this perfectly timed video 🤣🤣
Thanks Sanjay, for the thorough review. I've been using Sennheiser HD600's which I love, but they seem to lack a little high end, especially when compared to my Yamaha HS8 monitors. I did try the Beyer DT 1990's and was taken aback by the harsh high end. Do the Neumann NDH 30's sound any crisper on the high end to you? I'm looking for something that has a bit more clarity without being too harsh.
*Updated after long use. Regardless of the first impression about the DT 1990 sound and build quality (because it is written that it is made in Germany), these are BAD headphones. After spending more time with them, you realize that they are not so reliable, and you have to repair them after 2 years. The plastic clip on the headband bracket (where the model name is written) has just broken, and the other one started to break. Yes, they have bass, but all the details in the sound turned out to be just a big, unnatural peak in high frequencies.
you probably have tinnitus and that is alright. for us who don't have ,we appreciate much more audiophile and pleasant sound. I wouldn't use DT 1990 Pro even if you give me for free
@@djolexmusicc Strangely enough, I agree with you. Sold my DT 1990 a long time ago. They really have nasty peaks in the upper frequencies and the build quality is not as great as they say on TH-cam. I replaced them with much better headphones a long time ago.
Daily use headphones are Shure SRH-1840 open back’s. Before sending anything out of my studio I check them on my Sennheiser HD650’s as those are my “critical listening” headphones.
I have the Sony MDR-756 that I use for initial tracking and rough mixing and the Beyerdynamic DT990 (OG, 250Ω) for final mixing and mastering. I do not have monitors nor do I have a treated room for that setup. However, I use the car test and have a couple of tools to help me “fill in the gaps” as far as listening goes. So far, everything has served me well. To answer the question: I favour soundstage more than bass and, speaking of bass, I like to be as neutral as I can … knowing that headphones have their own definitions of neutrality 😁
thanks for great review as always. but I have a question can I consider NDH 30 as an upgrade to my Sennheiser HD 560 s for mixing and mastering? does NDH 30 sound more accurate and detailed than HD 560 S ?
You may like them more for mixing as they sound more realistic to speakers than other headphones. They also have that premium build...so definitely an upgrade
Hi, I'm planning to buy the NDH30, coming from DT 770 Pro. My question is how loud is the sound that is getting out, I have a quiet environment, but I'm curious if there are really loud, with may be inconvenient. Thx( I'm thinking of keeping the Beyerdynamic for tracking and the Neumann for mixing and mastering, thas it sound like a good idea ?)
@@iustingalea1547Hi! May I know how comfortable ndh 20 and ndh 30 are ?? I recently sold my Audio Technica ATH-M50x just because of the ear fatigue caused due to it after using it for an hour. I am seriously considering 20 and 30 for my Neumann MT48 audio interface.
Great review Sanjay! Have you heard about the Superlux D421? It's very similar to the Shure SM7B and some say it's almost identical especially in terms of sound. In addition to that, it's almost 3 times cheaper than the 7B. I would really love and appreciate seeing you make a review/comparison on it. Keep up the great work!
Some users have commented there is a valley in the 700-3000hz midrange but others say it is very depending on headphone position, if it slips or you move it on your head, the sound changes drastically. Have you found that? Thanks
The headphone flatness is important for me. I use my jbl 305s just like a home speaker because I have no treatment at home. The dt 770 has worked like a charm all the time.
Been mixing and engineering my vocals on 770s for awhile now. I have a low register voice and im finding it really hard to mix my vocals properly with the 770s because the lack of bass plus the really harsh higher frequencies. Does anyone know if the NDH 30s would be a huge difference versus the 770s for my situation? I feel like my first mistake was not realizing that its better to MIX with open back, up until now ive been recording and mixing on the 770s, but if I get the NDH 30s it'd be mixing on those and only recording on the 770s. Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
i actually prefer the 1990 pros they are insane specially when i'm producing... i always choose the best sounds and control it in the best way with them when you produce like this... the mixing and mastering procces get a lot more easier because you've done a perfect job from the beginning
@@SanjayC Hey Sanjay, great video as always! I currently use the 770s for mixing and recording, but I'm wondering if the 1990s would do me better for mixing because sometimes the bass in my mixes turns out to be louder then how it sounds in my headphones so im just curious, any thoughts? Thanks!
@@rivenlikemakar Test your mixes in different headphones and speakers. That's how I balance my mixes. One device is just not enough despite how good it is
I’m a budget-conscious queen, so I use the Sennheiser hd 560s (150-200$) for mixing and mastering and the sennheiser Hd 569 (100$) for recording, or the iems, my etymotic er2se (100$). I highly recommend hd 560s for those on a budget, and the er2se are some of the best iems period, and they both have really good frequency response graphs for music production. I was so in love with my hd 560s that I got the hd 569s, and they are good, but there might be better options in that price bracket, although I really love them.
🤠 560s are so good that Senn based their HD400 Pro on them. I've avoided the 600 & 650 as they use those two-pronged forks which have been problematic in my experience (intermittent connection).
I'm actually interested in knowing, if you have a bit more budget, if it's worth stepping up in price from the Neumann NDH 30 for mixing and mastering? Are they good enough? Or do you get do you get a noticeable difference going up to let's say, Audeez LCD?
So, I just purchased the Beyer 770s mid-range, based on umpteen million TH-cam reviews. One of my concerns was comfort. The sound is good, above ok. But the comfort of wearing them is not that great. There definitely is a feeling of pressure against my head, which is mildly uncomfortable, distracting.
Are the Neumann ndh 20 that flat? Seems like there are a few dips and boosts. A dip in the upper mids/lower highs and a boost in the mid bass/low mids. They looked amazing but I am not sure of the ndh 20 when I watch videos saying they’re not that perfect for mixing and at the some time a lot of videos say they’re awesome. Do you know why that is? I find the hd 650 to sound amazing but with lacking low end. Any recommendation? Preferably closed back but open could be good too.
They are not completely flat, but flat enough to "learn" how to mix right with them. I think they are also pleasant to listen to for long sessions, which sometimes isn't the case with flatter headphones.
@@SanjayC what do you think of focal elegia? I have a pair but I’m not sure of them. Thinking of the ndh 20 or hd 650. I rly like Yamaha hs8 sound signature. I had the 650 and I loved them except no bass. But when I tested them in a store on a proper power source they sounded better, more punch. Do you feel this too? So now I’m thinking. Focal elegia for 550$, Neumann ndh 20 for 450$ or hd 650 + like an Apollo volt for around 450$. I primarily make trap/hip hop and edm.
hey Sanjay¡ I've used my sennheiser hd650 for about 4 years and now thinking about switching. I've found hard to mix with them (I normally just use my monitors anyways). I found very hard to tell if im exeding in some frequency content as they sound very open and can allow mid or high content without being harsh... I come from using Shure 440 in the past and somehow mixing in them made more sense to me. I dont know if this makes any sense to you but would love to know your thoughts. (im thinking in switching to beyer990 do you think is a good idea? mostly mixing rock music)
that's why I sold my hd650 too, I find them very overrated for mixing purposes. They make every thing sounds good even unfinished track. Gonna cope the ndh30 this month it will go perfectly with my kh120 Neumann speakers
@@LaidbackSounds good to know its not just me, i've always had that feeling with the 650's... they're very nice to just listen music on spotify anyway. let me know what you think of the ndh30's, cheers¡
@@AdrianRC991 you are not alone at all many ppl reporting this for many many years. I even prefer the jubilee 58x which is more accurate to mix with. The hd650 are superb to listen to music you are right but thats it i ll let ya know end of the month when the ndh30 is back in stock for sure. At one stage i wanted to try the slate vsx too im just affraid they might be a gimmick and i trust more neumann but who knows ?
@@LaidbackSounds mmyeahh i also dont want to go the slate way, i dont like the build quality, i want to try the beyer i think they're more similar as the shr440 i used to mix on and i dont know man i really liked em back then (when it comes to the aproach of mixing)...
@@AdrianRC991 Ndh30 back in stock here in europe just ordered it, will let you know, as much i as i love shure mics i never really liked shure headphones. I used to have beyer dt880 and dt770 but i always found beyer sound signature too bright for me in the top end. I agree with you with the slate one, if it would have cost maybe 290 euros i would have give it a try but too expensive for that cheap build quality.
I think every studio purchase just makes things a little easier/faster. But you can totally make good music with just a computer/smartphone and some earbuds.
You're right, but without a broad and matured exposure to a variety of different listening conditions (both good and bad on a technical level), your understanding of acoustics are not based on practical real world experiences, chances are your mixes aren't good. That's totally fine though, all depends on what your goals are.
I use DT880 Pro and Austrian Audio Hi-X60 the most, but also have DT770, DT990, AKG 271 mk II and Rode NTH-100... yes i have too much.... but still looking to a great open headphone, have not desided yet. Hi-X65, DT1990, HD600 or NDH 30.... i am not a fan of my DT990, i like the DT880's, but it is getting old now... (read falling appart a bit)
I have the 880 too.Something is missing.. I don t have good sound separation when the mix becomes busy..do you ?I thought maybe it's my RME fireface 400 's fault.I don t know yet.The problem is there is no middle ground as I understand you have to climb to the over 1000+ territory.. for more clarity
@@anatol1204 which version of the 880 are you using? 250ohms or 600ohms? Well my Austrian Audio Hi-x60 has a tighter mid but still like the 880 250 ohms as well as the 600Ohms. But you need a good output dor ite. I ise the Antelope Orion Studio 2017 and sometimes a RME Babyface Pro
Appreciate the review as always! I gotta say, I would never drop that kinda cash on headphones. I use the previous beyer’s, the DT 770, and they check all the boxes for me.
I've heard a lot of rumors that the 2nd gen AirPods Max headphones are going to have their own tech with Bluetooth, minimizing the delay so that they potentially might be able to be used in a music studio environment. i literally always work with wireless headphones on because my air conditioning is loud af, and not having a cable tethered to the computer feels a lot freer. I have the 990 open-backs, but rarely ever use them
@@SanjayC Seriously, if you are fortunate to get some real nice and expensive headohones, more power to you. But I think it's truly amazing that the gods are still out there, thinking about the less fortunate ones. Sure, the materials are not the best. Sure there are headphones that have better stage, or more detailed highs. But hey, this thing is equal to a 2m charging cable by apple in price ... and if you're an artist low on budget, this is a heaven sent! (i'm neither less fortunate ( just being cheap ass ) or religious - but man .. this is really something (( especially given the price ))
As an audio engineer, I highly recommend the Sennheiser HD400 Pro. They are perfectly flat to the human ear (Equal Loudness Contour @83-87db SPL average peak studio reference level) and has accurate imaging and soundstage due to the angled drivers.
Keep in mind that the professional line of Sennheiser headphones share the same engineers as the headphone department of Neumann, because Neumann is owned by Sennheiser. So I am willing to bet the HD400 Pro and the NDH 30 sound remarkably similar. But the Sennheiser is at a much more affordable price.
@@SanjayC I rely mostly on my nearfield and midfield coaxial monitors (both paired with subwoofer). My closed back is the Sennheiser HD300 Pro and my open back is the Sennheiser HD400 Pro. I highly recommend both. In fact they are two of the best headphones I have ever heard. Not to mention they are quite easy to drive.
I spent all day listening to studio headphones like Neumann NDH 20, Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro, 880,990, Sony MDR750B, Audio Technica M 50x, and M30x using a headphone amp in Sydney's one of the biggest audio gear shops. NDH 20 sounds flat and muddy with no precise sound separation, and bearly can hear the highs or treble. Mids sound ok but not superb and didn't impress me with the sound stage. However, the built quality is outstanding though I felt it's heavier over my head. The ultimate champion is Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro sounds bang for the buck with exceptional sound separation with superbly well-balanced low, mid and high. Eventually, I bought a DT770 32ohm and returned it due to a lack of comfort using the leather ear pads, making my ears hot after a couple of minutes. Otherwise, this is stunning gear even for listening regular music. If I have to choose something for mids, Sony MDR750B can come to the top of the list, but it doesn't appeal to me for an overall listening experience.
Had my NDH 30s for two months now, definitely the best headphones I've listened to so far, Beyerdynamics is too harsh for me🤷🏾♂️
Good to hear a happy user! Thanks, King Yas!
How good/bad is the clamping force of these? I've been using the HD 660S and the clamping force is just killing me, can't wear them anymore even tho they sound great
@@RocoV08 super comfortable, I forget i have them on sometimes
@@kingyasofficial insane, might give these a try then, I'm looking for something I can wear for extended periods of time(6hrs+)
@@RocoV08 ok yea these the ones man fr
Wider sound stage, and mid range clarity are my biggest needs. I ordered NDH 30's a few days ago, Im looking forward to hear how they can help me level up on mix/masters
How are these cans? I'm planning on getting these instead of studio monitors cause my room needs serious acoustic work done. I'm just a little worried cause I've read that it's lacking on high end and it's hard to to even hear reverb tails. But I've read that they translate really well to other systems
How are they?
Yo how have they been working out?
@@millies1264 how did they work out? Better question is how have I ever managed to work without them? No exaggeration. Once you get used to them, they are the gift that keeps on giving from mix to master .
@@millies1264 the bang for buck here is sensational
Clarity and evenness is the most important factor for me in choosing headphones. I have Samson SR850's right now and Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro's are in my wishlist not as an upgrade, but rather a side-grade. DT770's seems like the best of all worlds for me when it comes to headphones.
Side-grade...that's nice...to have headphones that bring something different!
DT990 and Dt770, I think they both share the same emitter components. So technically your getting the same sound for different prices.
@@Enonymouse_ i wouldn't buy DT 990 even if they are 20$. They are so harsh ,it's unlistenable. Worst headphones in history
I'm probably keeping my Beyerdynamic Dt1990. They've been perfect since I've managed to tame the harsh highs using the foam inserts from the amiron!
For me. Bass is more important with headphones. As “wide” as they can be they wont rival monitors. HOWEVER. In an untreated room, such as my own, it’s crucial to have good reference headphones and having a good bass is more important as “width” is kinda hard to loose with monitors, its really reliant on your placements etc.
I mainly use my headphones for referencing and or producing at late/early hours. Or if I’m enjoying some synthesisers outside the studio!!
I see what you mean, and I think good bass is important, but I think we have to define what we mean by good bass. For me, good bass is having a low subass, and having a clean tight bass response. For example, my grado sr80es are don’t have a lot of bass, but they have very crisp bass. Compared to something like the raycons, which have sooo much bass it’s overpowering, but none of it is good. And for me, having a good soundstage and detailing for headphones is as important if not more important than base, because headphones will generally always be more detailed then studio monitors. Studio monitors will always have less color in a sound treated room, which is why they are recommended in a studio environment, but they generally have less detail than a similar class of headphones. (Not to mention, headphones are just cheaper than speakers in general)
Thanks for sharing your experience, Cameron!
Today I just bought the Neumann NDHh30's. So far they sound really flat which is great. I will be using them to mix mostly. I have been using the Audio Technica's and they were very bright. Now I will have to remix all my music based on the accurate sound of the Neumanns.
I had the Neumann NDH 20. I sold them for Sennheiser HD 650's. I like working on the Sennheiser's better over all I guess i like open backs more than i thought i did. I loved the Neumann NDH 20's. The build quality is the best. The Build quality of the Sennheiser HD 650 is a joke but i still love the sound. I would love to Pick up the NDH 30 I bet they are what i was missing with the HD 20s. I just felt that the mids tired me out. I was like man if they only had a open back version this would be the best head phone ever. I can only bet the NDH 30 are what i was missing and more.
Hi, did you try the ndh30 ?
No not yet about 700 bucks holding me back they are on the list. after i pay off my Mackie DLZ creator I might pick them up. @@madalinabarligea8923
❤️🔥Great video! Love the transitions and flow 👏🏽👏🏽! Also you look 👀🫠😍
Awww...thank you!
bass is slightly more important to me but soundstage is still closely important to me, but I like to hear and feel the bass without things getting muddy like some consumer listening devices
got my ndh 20s and boy sound they good.
i trust them like my geithains, its so easy to make decissions everything sounds so balanced and "unbiased"
its now a canvas u can paint on like on good monitors (but the room arrrr)
distance is easy to measure due to the natural and precise highs
most headphones are to present and blure the distance perception but this helps not at bad timing
the ndh sound very precise and show u whats up like looking at ur painting canvas
man i can c clearly now like mr Cliff
What audio interface do you use them with?
I HAVE been waiting for this one! (Worth the wait.)
Im using HD560s for mixing & mastering , i chose this after a long search for flat headphones & they beat headphones 5× higher in price , right now im looking for the perfect closed back headphones, i was really looking into the ndh20's , but their bassy character threw me off , the new open backs are a welcome addition but i think ill keep searching
Sanjay, I own the NDH30 and love them for their even tonal balance. Midrange is just right. I'd be fone with a bit more treble but I don't crave it. My problem is the assymetrical positioning of a relatively small driver. To get the sound i like I have to push the headphones all the way back so the front of my ear touches the front of the earpad. Do the 1990s have a tonality that is relatively balanced. In other words, I do not like recessed mids, boomy bass, exagerated lower midrange etc. Do the 1990s compare tonaly to the ndh30s?
cool video Sanjay, love the info- I am just starting my home studio journey - love the product reviews saves me money and headaches! thanks again!!!
Nice to hear that, Asaf! Good luck with your journey! Hope to see you here often!
The real question is what about the depth , cause that is the most important thing when it comes to tracking and mixing if they give you depth than you know exactly where to place sound in a 3d space
Great review! When I buy another pair of headphones 🎧 I think I may go with the 1990's. The NDH-30's seems great though.
I think I'm going to have to buy us lunch at this point! Thank you, Acee Soul! I love my 1990s...I think you will too
I'm like you - I usually use my studio monitors rather than headphones. But I do don them for checking the mastering. My headphones of choice are Sony MDR-1AM2 headphones, which I usually use to just listen to music. Which actually makes them useful for mastering because it represents my own normal listening environment. But now I'm considering if I should have some studio headphones, too...
you can't replace the experience you have from using the same headphones for a while
I’ve been trying to decide between these and the DT1990s for quite a while ( in the process of saving up👍). I can’t treat my current room, so I figure a really great pair of open back headphones would be a more useful investment than monitors right now.
Did you happen to try the Neumann with something like Sonarworks? I’d be interested to hear how the NDH30s and DT1990s compare when their respective frequencies are flattened. Thanks for all the fantastic videos!
I felt that Sonarworks flattens the Beyers but that gets rid of their competitive edge. I like the super clarity in high frequencies when I’m picking out problems. I prefer to use and learn headphones the way they were intended to sound. But that’s just me. Have you had a good experience with Sonarworks for other headphones?
@@SanjayC I definitely have, but I think it’s because headphones are my only option right now. I found when I used Sonarworks with my DT770 Pros, my mixes were far more balanced. Without it, they were coming out much too dark. However, I frequently turn off Sonarworks throughout my process to check various things.
@@SanjayC Maybe better wording would be "how the manufacturer managed to make them sound" 🤔 Ideal frequency balance is basicly impossible to achieve mechanically. I prefer great dynamics, accurate imaging and "realistic" soundstage over frequency balance out of the box. Corrective equalization can be done so easily and for free if you use AutoEQ precalculated results for example 😊
Definitely interested in checking these out.
I've tried out a fair few headphones for mixing and tracking over the years and my favourites are actually some of the less expensive ones.
For tracking I love the old classics..Sony MDR 7506 and for mixing AKG K701.
Both are super comfortable to wear for long sessions and what I love about the AKG's is that not only are they lightweight and inexpensive but they're really flat and don't colour the sound.
I've found that if I mix on them it translates really well to the sound I hear on my speakers.
As always, it's down to personal choice but that's what works for me.
Ndh20’s - love them , do all my mixing via them and find they a very representative of a finished real world mix.
What audio interface do you use them with?
@@sagarkochar I have an SSL Big Six desk - it has a built in audio interface.
@@photosinferno6870 ahh ok that's kool, I'm just look for a portable interface for myself, I guess audient ID24 should be good, I checked it seems very good for headset above 80 omh impedance
I waited for this sooo much!
Hey Marco! What do you think of them?
I currently use the Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro and I absolutely love it but I want to get the Neumann NDH 30 and or NDH 20 in the future. They look stunning!
Not only do they look good, I think they will give you a different sound compared to the 1990s. Its always good to have a different reference
Thanks so much for the review Sanjay! I bought the NDH-20 on your recommendation from your old headphone videos. I like them a lot!
but when the NDH-30s came out I wondered if I should get them as well … or instead. Tbh I think I’ll keep the 20s as a do-all headphone and add a different brand open back headphone (such as a Beyer) for mix comparison in the future.
The 20s don’t boom but that frequency response goes low!! So low you could check your low end without a sub 😵💫
I think you would like the NDH 30s as a replacement for the 20s. But if you can afford to keep both...that's good too
Focal Clear is still my endgame
I love Sanjays video I wait for them just to get a freebie
Is it freebie time already? Haha! :-D
I use DT1990s ... Tinnitus is real! More so from these than any other.
Hope you recover. Thinking about getting the NDH-30.
Hello, Sanjay C two weeks ago I searched the best headphones for me and I choose the beyerdynamic dt770. In your last video i asked you about what mic should i buy and i thi nk about three of them shure mv7 or rode nt1a or akg p120. Oh, and when you will do a Q&A live? Thanks!
Hey Mark. If your budget allows, go for the Rode mic. I think you’ll be happy with it in the long run.
@@SanjayC Thanks, I like your videos very creative and interesting to watch! What for the saturday news!
You're welcome!
Excellent video on the perks of high end headphones!
Thanks so much!
Awesome video once again Sanjay! I was actually about to get the HD 650 to use as a mixing headphone. But would you say the Neumann NDH 30
is the closest you would get to a "speaker" referenced balanced sound? I always have used closed backs, but I tend to get ear fatigue sooner as I don't use speakers
as I am always on the go. Now I am hesitating on which one to go for after seeing this perfectly timed video 🤣🤣
I think the NDH 30 and NDH 20 are very close to a speaker reference. More than most other headphones.
@@SanjayC thanks Sanjay!
NDH 20 for that Bass analysis...HD600 for surgical, more linear than HD650. Get both!
Thanks Sanjay, for the thorough review. I've been using Sennheiser HD600's which I love, but they seem to lack a little high end, especially when compared to my Yamaha HS8 monitors. I did try the Beyer DT 1990's and was taken aback by the harsh high end. Do the Neumann NDH 30's sound any crisper on the high end to you? I'm looking for something that has a bit more clarity without being too harsh.
I’ve got cheap $40 dollar headphones from OneAudio (I think) and I’m good with those since I’m still new in production.
I totally get that. "LEARN" your headphones well and test in other environments...and you may not ever need expensive headphones.
Gonna buy new cans soon and this video helps 💯
Let me know what you end up buying
*Updated after long use.
Regardless of the first impression about the DT 1990 sound and build quality (because it is written that it is made in Germany), these are BAD headphones. After spending more time with them, you realize that they are not so reliable, and you have to repair them after 2 years. The plastic clip on the headband bracket (where the model name is written) has just broken, and the other one started to break. Yes, they have bass, but all the details in the sound turned out to be just a big, unnatural peak in high frequencies.
you probably have tinnitus and that is alright. for us who don't have ,we appreciate much more audiophile and pleasant sound. I wouldn't use DT 1990 Pro even if you give me for free
@@djolexmusicc Strangely enough, I agree with you. Sold my DT 1990 a long time ago. They really have nasty peaks in the upper frequencies and the build quality is not as great as they say on TH-cam.
I replaced them with much better headphones a long time ago.
Daily use headphones are Shure SRH-1840 open back’s. Before sending anything out of my studio I check them on my Sennheiser HD650’s as those are my “critical listening” headphones.
Love the Shure 1840! Excellent sound!
I have the Sony MDR-756 that I use for initial tracking and rough mixing and the Beyerdynamic DT990 (OG, 250Ω) for final mixing and mastering. I do not have monitors nor do I have a treated room for that setup. However, I use the car test and have a couple of tools to help me “fill in the gaps” as far as listening goes. So far, everything has served me well.
To answer the question: I favour soundstage more
than bass and, speaking of bass, I like to be as neutral as I can … knowing that headphones have their own definitions of neutrality 😁
Sony headphones are a mainstay in my studio!
Bass or soundstage? How about flatness
thanks for great review as always. but I have a question can I consider NDH 30 as an upgrade to my Sennheiser HD 560 s for mixing and mastering? does NDH 30 sound more accurate and detailed than HD 560 S ?
You may like them more for mixing as they sound more realistic to speakers than other headphones. They also have that premium build...so definitely an upgrade
DT770 Pros here, may eventually pair them with some DT990 Pros but in no rush to add to my headphone collection at the moment!
Thanks for sharing
I use DT 990 Pro . Thanks for details
Nice choice!! How have you liked them?
Ya sir. I have purchased them long ago by observing your video...
Hi, I'm planning to buy the NDH30, coming from DT 770 Pro. My question is how loud is the sound that is getting out, I have a quiet environment, but I'm curious if there are really loud, with may be inconvenient. Thx( I'm thinking of keeping the Beyerdynamic for tracking and the Neumann for mixing and mastering, thas it sound like a good idea ?)
In the same situation. Did you buy the NDH-30? If so, how do they compare?
@@g.o.9513 I did, never looking back, and I'm planning to buy also the 20 for tracking.
@@iustingalea1547Hi! May I know how comfortable ndh 20 and ndh 30 are ?? I recently sold my Audio Technica ATH-M50x just because of the ear fatigue caused due to it after using it for an hour. I am seriously considering 20 and 30 for my Neumann MT48 audio interface.
Great review Sanjay! Have you heard about the Superlux D421? It's very similar to the Shure SM7B and some say it's almost identical especially in terms of sound. In addition to that, it's almost 3 times cheaper than the 7B. I would really love and appreciate seeing you make a review/comparison on it. Keep up the great work!
I really need to run a test with Superlux
Some users have commented there is a valley in the 700-3000hz midrange but others say it is very depending on headphone position, if it slips or you move it on your head, the sound changes drastically.
Have you found that? Thanks
I just need an upgrade from my Sony MDR 7506. I'm thinking the Neumann 20s will probably do?
The headphone flatness is important for me. I use my jbl 305s just like a home speaker because I have no treatment at home. The dt 770 has worked like a charm all the time.
Good to hear that!
Been mixing and engineering my vocals on 770s for awhile now. I have a low register voice and im finding it really hard to mix my vocals properly with the 770s because the lack of bass plus the really harsh higher frequencies. Does anyone know if the NDH 30s would be a huge difference versus the 770s for my situation? I feel like my first mistake was not realizing that its better to MIX with open back, up until now ive been recording and mixing on the 770s, but if I get the NDH 30s it'd be mixing on those and only recording on the 770s. Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
i actually prefer the 1990 pros
they are insane
specially when i'm producing...
i always choose the best sounds and control it in the best way with them
when you produce like this... the mixing and mastering procces get a lot more easier because you've done a perfect job from the beginning
Yeah I love the 1990s too. Nice to hear you like them too. Do you have closed back headphones?
@@SanjayC Hey Sanjay, great video as always! I currently use the 770s for mixing and recording, but I'm wondering if the 1990s would do me better for mixing because sometimes the bass in my mixes turns out to be louder then how it sounds in my headphones so im just curious, any thoughts? Thanks!
@@rivenlikemakar Test your mixes in different headphones and speakers. That's how I balance my mixes. One device is just not enough despite how good it is
I’m a budget-conscious queen, so I use the Sennheiser hd 560s (150-200$) for mixing and mastering and the sennheiser Hd 569 (100$) for recording, or the iems, my etymotic er2se (100$). I highly recommend hd 560s for those on a budget, and the er2se are some of the best iems period, and they both have really good frequency response graphs for music production. I was so in love with my hd 560s that I got the hd 569s, and they are good, but there might be better options in that price bracket, although I really love them.
🤠 560s are so good that Senn based their HD400 Pro on them. I've avoided the 600 & 650 as they use those two-pronged forks which have been problematic in my experience (intermittent connection).
Hey Rainbox KittyCat! Thanks for sharing your experience. I gotta try the 569s!
@@meldmagic makes sense. The 560s use the standard 2.5 mm plug, which is nice because it is very universal.
How do you compare the NDH 30's to the MM 500's using some EQ correction? A a HD600 user using Sound ID would I gain anything?
What about guitar and bass?
I use Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pros and they are great.
Used those for years and still love them
Should the neumanns be used just for mixing and what not or are they good for just listening to music? Cause i want some haha
I'm actually interested in knowing, if you have a bit more budget, if it's worth stepping up in price from the Neumann NDH 30 for mixing and mastering? Are they good enough? Or do you get do you get a noticeable difference going up to let's say, Audeez LCD?
I will share my thoughts on the LCD's later this month...look out for that video
@@SanjayC MM 500 too please
Ive been using Beats Mixrs for years definitely need these! Can you do a MacBook review for producers PLEASE!
Go with a MacBook M1 - no regrets!
Do you have any frequency response measurement on the Neumann NDH 30?
Is the ndh 30 good with a Presonus studio 24c audio interface?
Can you review Yamaha MT7 headphones. People are saying it's the ns10's of headphones.
Woah that's a big claim. I have to try them. What's your budget?
@@SanjayC My budget is around 200-250.
So, I just purchased the Beyer 770s mid-range, based on umpteen million TH-cam reviews. One of my concerns was comfort. The sound is good, above ok. But the comfort of wearing them is not that great. There definitely is a feeling of pressure against my head, which is mildly uncomfortable, distracting.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Thanks for that review, I just ordered it. Where can I find that headphone stand? Thank you.
Hey, just curious about the NDH-30. What are your thoughts?
At first I didn't like the lack of high that I'm used to, but it definitely improved my mixes 👍🏻
Which has the tighter easier to mix bass? This or the 1990? For edm stuff ( like guetta shot le down type of kicks) thanks sanjay
Tighter bass on the Neumanns in my opinion (with my ears)
Are the Neumann ndh 20 that flat? Seems like there are a few dips and boosts. A dip in the upper mids/lower highs and a boost in the mid bass/low mids. They looked amazing but I am not sure of the ndh 20 when I watch videos saying they’re not that perfect for mixing and at the some time a lot of videos say they’re awesome. Do you know why that is?
I find the hd 650 to sound amazing but with lacking low end.
Any recommendation? Preferably closed back but open could be good too.
They are not completely flat, but flat enough to "learn" how to mix right with them. I think they are also pleasant to listen to for long sessions, which sometimes isn't the case with flatter headphones.
@@SanjayC what do you think of focal elegia? I have a pair but I’m not sure of them. Thinking of the ndh 20 or hd 650. I rly like Yamaha hs8 sound signature.
I had the 650 and I loved them except no bass. But when I tested them in a store on a proper power source they sounded better, more punch. Do you feel this too?
So now I’m thinking. Focal elegia for 550$, Neumann ndh 20 for 450$ or hd 650 + like an Apollo volt for around 450$.
I primarily make trap/hip hop and edm.
My god… it’s like watching the "Truman show" whenever he makes an intro for his ads during the video Lol….
Guys , can I plug in these headphones to my iphone for example and listen to Spotify ?
No way jose!!
Yup...we're here! How are you, NagoMizik?
@@SanjayC keeping up w/ the Jones..
Hope you're kicking it!👍🏾
sound demo
hey Sanjay¡
I've used my sennheiser hd650 for about 4 years and now thinking about switching. I've found hard to mix with them (I normally just use my monitors anyways).
I found very hard to tell if im exeding in some frequency content as they sound very open and can allow mid or high content without being harsh...
I come from using Shure 440 in the past and somehow mixing in them made more sense to me.
I dont know if this makes any sense to you but would love to know your thoughts. (im thinking in switching to beyer990 do you think is a good idea? mostly mixing rock music)
that's why I sold my hd650 too, I find them very overrated for mixing purposes. They make every thing sounds good even unfinished track. Gonna cope the ndh30 this month it will go perfectly with my kh120 Neumann speakers
@@LaidbackSounds good to know its not just me, i've always had that feeling with the 650's... they're very nice to just listen music on spotify anyway. let me know what you think of the ndh30's, cheers¡
@@AdrianRC991 you are not alone at all many ppl reporting this for many many years. I even prefer the jubilee 58x which is more accurate to mix with. The hd650 are superb to listen to music you are right but thats it i ll let ya know end of the month when the ndh30 is back in stock for sure. At one stage i wanted to try the slate vsx too im
just affraid they might be a gimmick and i trust more neumann but who knows ?
@@LaidbackSounds mmyeahh i also dont want to go the slate way, i dont like the build quality, i want to try the beyer i think they're more similar as the shr440 i used to mix on and i dont know man i really liked em back then (when it comes to the aproach of mixing)...
@@AdrianRC991 Ndh30 back in stock here in europe just ordered it, will let you know, as much i as i love shure mics i never really liked shure headphones. I used to have beyer dt880 and dt770 but i always found beyer sound signature too bright for me in the top end. I agree with you with the slate one, if it would have cost maybe 290 euros i would have give it a try but too expensive for that cheap build quality.
Currently i use one of the cheapest headphones Sennheiser hd206 but i would like to upgrade to audio technica m30xs.
An upgrade is nice...but not necessary...only do it if you can afford to. The NDH 30s are excellent though :-D
I'm using super cheap earphones that cost about 5$ 😅😅.. I'm not yet sold on the 'you need good headphones/monitors ' concept yet..
I think every studio purchase just makes things a little easier/faster. But you can totally make good music with just a computer/smartphone and some earbuds.
You're right, but without a broad and matured exposure to a variety of different listening conditions (both good and bad on a technical level), your understanding of acoustics are not based on practical real world experiences, chances are your mixes aren't good. That's totally fine though, all depends on what your goals are.
I use DT880 Pro and Austrian Audio Hi-X60 the most, but also have DT770, DT990, AKG 271 mk II and Rode NTH-100... yes i have too much.... but still looking to a great open headphone, have not desided yet. Hi-X65, DT1990, HD600 or NDH 30.... i am not a fan of my DT990, i like the DT880's, but it is getting old now... (read falling appart a bit)
I have the 880 too.Something is missing.. I don t have good sound separation when the mix becomes busy..do you ?I thought maybe it's my RME fireface 400 's fault.I don t know yet.The problem is there is no middle ground as I understand you have to climb to the over 1000+ territory.. for more clarity
@@anatol1204 which version of the 880 are you using? 250ohms or 600ohms?
Well my Austrian Audio Hi-x60 has a tighter mid but still like the 880 250 ohms as well as the 600Ohms. But you need a good output dor ite. I ise the Antelope Orion Studio 2017 and sometimes a RME Babyface Pro
@@ajschot the 250 ohm version
"The bass is great" should never be said about mixing headphones. Making the music sound great is not their function.
nope, doesnt change a thing and I wasnt waiting for this... why the click bait?
Appreciate the review as always! I gotta say, I would never drop that kinda cash on headphones. I use the previous beyer’s, the DT 770, and they check all the boxes for me.
Gotta do what's right for you. I think the price point of the 770s is great for most people.
I just broke my B&O headphone😂 wondering this is good or not…
Hi bro
Hi Mohmed. What do you think of the Neumann headphones?
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I've heard a lot of rumors that the 2nd gen AirPods Max headphones are going to have their own tech with Bluetooth, minimizing the delay so that they potentially might be able to be used in a music studio environment. i literally always work with wireless headphones on because my air conditioning is loud af, and not having a cable tethered to the computer feels a lot freer. I have the 990 open-backs, but rarely ever use them
I'd love to see that in the AirPod Max!
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i'm still waiting for someone to recommend me headphones that will beat the superlux hd330/660 in performance per buck :)
I need to try those!
@@SanjayC Seriously, if you are fortunate to get some real nice and expensive headohones, more power to you. But I think it's truly amazing that the gods are still out there, thinking about the less fortunate ones. Sure, the materials are not the best. Sure there are headphones that have better stage, or more detailed highs. But hey, this thing is equal to a 2m charging cable by apple in price ... and if you're an artist low on budget, this is a heaven sent! (i'm neither less fortunate ( just being cheap ass ) or religious - but man .. this is really something (( especially given the price ))
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Wow...that was fast! How are you, R&N Music?
@@SanjayC well I'm going great hope your doing well as well
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I’d like to fart between the Neumann NDH 20s and NDH 30s.
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100$ Neumann, no way... ;-)
Too much blablabla in this video.
Man, come to the point!
so, they are basically crap
To expensive for the average project studio
True. Everyone’s budget is different. What do you use right now?
@@SanjayC DTC 770 and the Sony 7506. I love your videos Sanjay keep up the amazing work 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
As an audio engineer, I highly recommend the Sennheiser HD400 Pro. They are perfectly flat to the human ear (Equal Loudness Contour @83-87db SPL average peak studio reference level) and has accurate imaging and soundstage due to the angled drivers.
Keep in mind that the professional line of Sennheiser headphones share the same engineers as the headphone department of Neumann, because Neumann is owned by Sennheiser. So I am willing to bet the HD400 Pro and the NDH 30 sound remarkably similar. But the Sennheiser is at a much more affordable price.
@@SanjayC I rely mostly on my nearfield and midfield coaxial monitors (both paired with subwoofer). My closed back is the Sennheiser HD300 Pro and my open back is the Sennheiser HD400 Pro. I highly recommend both. In fact they are two of the best headphones I have ever heard. Not to mention they are quite easy to drive.
8th lmao
Yes!!! 8th is still really good!
First 3 minutes are irrelevant
I spent all day listening to studio headphones like Neumann NDH 20, Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro, 880,990, Sony MDR750B, Audio Technica M 50x, and M30x using a headphone amp in Sydney's one of the biggest audio gear shops. NDH 20 sounds flat and muddy with no precise sound separation, and bearly can hear the highs or treble. Mids sound ok but not superb and didn't impress me with the sound stage. However, the built quality is outstanding though I felt it's heavier over my head. The ultimate champion is Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro sounds bang for the buck with exceptional sound separation with superbly well-balanced low, mid and high. Eventually, I bought a DT770 32ohm and returned it due to a lack of comfort using the leather ear pads, making my ears hot after a couple of minutes. Otherwise, this is stunning gear even for listening regular music. If I have to choose something for mids, Sony MDR750B can come to the top of the list, but it doesn't appeal to me for an overall listening experience.