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@@youdontneedmyrealname not at all. Wifi 7 works on 2.4 and 5ghz, and offers the same benefits with using multiple channels concurrently. Also, the 6ghz signal is very short, and wouldn't be super useful outside over longer distances. The strength of the 5ghz signal is enough for me to get more outside for better coverage.
With that weather Station, MAKE SURE IT IS GROUNDED!!! My workplace had one with a metal post and the grounding cable got disconnected.. the lighting strike went all the way through the Ethernet cable into the network rack. We lost thousands worth of equipment. Also look into Rj45 surge protection, and if you are using shielded cable make sure that the ground between your post and your termination point are equalized.
Very good point, and thank you so much for the heads up. I have surge protectors on some things (th-cam.com/video/MhaUbDSHRYY/w-d-xo.html), but not this bit. Definitely a future improvement.
Hi! Nice video :) You should set your 2.4GHz network channel width to 20MHz for better compatibility, and your 5GHz network to 160MHz or 240MHz for maximum speed :) (80MHz should work well if your APs are close to each other due to potential interference).
Thanks for the advice mate, and thanks for watching. I am playing around with the channel widths for both U7 Outdoor devices, to see what works best. I am planning a second video on the U7 Outdoor with two more devices (if I can get them) to cover the entire property, and the channel width will be a big part of that.
I like your wifi "mast" on that shack there 🤣 the 6GHz frequency band will allow for more devices in the same physical area, so that they don't walk on each other, which in turns will give faster speeds (less interference from the neighbors, not that you care in your vast australian expanses). there shouldn't be much difference in the coverage between 5GHz and 6GHz EIRP is defined as power transmitted (22dBm), plus antenna gain (8dB in this case)
@@AmauryJacquot oh yeah, there are plenty of farm installs here 😁 I'm aware of the benefits of 6Ghz, but the U7 Outdoor doesn't have that. It does make a difference inside though.
It is because the omni directional antenna is made to be the one UBNT sells and it screws into those two ports on the top. If they aren't screwed in you risk damaging the unit. If you use something other than the UBNT ones that is when you use the custom option. Not well documented but that is how that works. Outside I would almost always use directional.
I don't think you will damage the unit, as the antennas for omnidirectional are optional. You can leave the rubber grommet in place. I can see both use cases outside too for my place. In fact I use one of each currently.
Hey, cool video again. Cool to see you have all four models by now, including two Outdoor's. Then, two tips: please disable Meshing, site wide. So not per AP but under the settings, Advanced, scroll down. There are two. At least Wireless Meshing you want to disable and maybe also that auto connect blabla. Those will reduce the AP's of sending out hidden SSID's. That will give you an extra boost at WiFi speed. Not sure how much that will do on your outside distances on that hill, but it's mostly faster and more stable for your WiFi networks. And why did you have your country settings at USA? Sounds like you're in Australia. (Can't be because of 6GHz since that is supported/allowed since some Network/firmware versions, from last year). Thanks again for the video. What's next. Fiber to a second Pro Max 16 PoE in that shed where that second U7-Outdoor is connected?
Thanks so much Peter for the extensive feedback. Love it!! I will disable meshing, as I have no use for it anymore. As I mentioned in the video, the devices are sent by Unifi, so they are US spec, hence the country setting has always been US. I could possibly change it. I have a larger project in the planning phase of getting 10Gbit (or close to) on the internal network, but not using fiber 😏
@@LarsKlintTech Ah, not fiber. Maybe a UBB-XG? That's a Point-to-Point with SFP+ connectors. I like those UBB's and that SFP+ connector is just wild, on a dish. Yeah, why US if you're not in the US? I always put it on The Netherlands (since I live here). I would put it on Australia. It supports 6GHz fine and you're compliant with the country you're in. Yeah, do yourself a favour and disable Wireless Meshing (and maybe that option below it). And are you going to do a review at that U7-Pro-Max with that spectrum analyzer? Maybe want to see what Network 8.4 will bring you. It's at least very clear with a new Chanel overview board.
@@LarsKlintTech Four pairs? Are you insane? Those are quite expensive. I know that digging fiber is time consuming, so also expensive, but four pair of those. Mate, that's serious. Well, have fun. I'd like to see the adoption progress. And how do you know what of the two suppose to be the AP (uplink side) and what the Station (downlink side) of the bridge?
Despite you previously showing setting the 5ghz band to 80, when you did your testing it clearly showed it set back to 40. Setting it to 80 will indeed likely get you some additional speed. You can also go ahead and set to the output to high, since you're likely not worried about roaming to other AP's out there on the hill. It wont help your phone transmit back to the AP, but it could help you get a bit more range and bandwidth on the download side of things. You should go back out there and test with transmit power set to high and test the channel width options to see what settings give you the best speed on the 5ghz band.
Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it. I have since changed them to 160mhz band for 5Ghz and that made a little bit of difference. I haven't tried setting the output to high yet. Thanks again for the tips 🙂
I just replaced an aging UAP-M-Pro AC with an U7 Outdoor in omnidirectional mode. I feel the previous one held a better signal and was quicker in a way when walking around my 40 acre property. If you don't move the signal is good though. Tweaking settings to see if I can get it to work better and hoping for better firmware.
@@LarsKlintTech Mine is at the peak of a 2 story house. Even with a direct line of sight it sometimes takes a while to load things like in TH-cam while inside on the AC-LR it's great. Both are plugged into the same PoE+ Unifi switch. I'll use the Wifiman app to help troubleshoot. Great vids. I made a water tank level sensor based off your design and it's been awesome since 2021.
@@DivinaFarms_James Thanks for the insights. I will do some more testing in the paddock. Oh, that makes me really happy to hear. My tanks are still going strong too, although I updated to an in-tank sensor for all of them.
@@LarsKlintTech It's what really got me going on using Home Assistant and ESPHome. I originally used a throw in sensor and it still working great. I've added a bunch of custom smart devices to my farmstead: a flowmeter for my livestock water with a motorized valve in case they bust open a pipe, my electric fence zapper can now be turned off via a Shelly1 from across the property so I can disable it when working on the fence, HA also monitors my incubators humidity and temperature. Got some plans for cheese making stuff in the future too. Thanks again for sharing vids that inspire!
Thank you for the review video. I have a question. Can U7 outdoor be used in mesh mode? Just provide power to U7 outdoor via PoE adapter without connecting it to any network switch, the U7 outdoor will mesh with other access points in the network and provide internet access?
For the omnidirectional antennas to function correctly they must be in free space, i.e. not against a pole or with other devices close to them. The AP should be on top of the mounting pole with the aerials completely in the clear.
Thanks for the feedback. What is the impact on having it pole mounted as per the Unifi installation instructions? I haven't noticed any considerable signal degradation.
@@LarsKlintTech If the omni directional antennas are close to a pole or other object, the SWR will be adversely affected, causing some TX power to be reflected back into the transmitter and not radiated. But perhaps more importantly the radiation pattern of the antennas will no longer be omni directional, there will be areas with poor coverage and areas with possibly greater coverage. I use the pole effect sometimes on VHF & UHF antennas to deliberately cause the radiation pattern to distort, this can be useful to enhance coverage in a particular direction. But in this case the spacing is exactly calculated, not random. It’s OK to mount part way down a pole if using the directional internal antenna though. I hope that helps.
@over-engineered I have 2 AP7 outdoor APs they are to provide coverage on each long side of my house 17x10m with a relatively small yard ca 30x30m to be able to work outside. Are you suggesting using directional antennas as the APs will be mounted with their back against the house walls? I’m concerned about a too narrow coverage…
@@carlnakamura4861 For your application you’ll have to mount them as you propose, the distances aren’t that great so you probably won’t notice variations in signal caused by the building’s effect. The directional antenna is really for longer distances, or down a narrow space. Just keep metal away from the Omni antennas. My previous comments are for optimal performance in open spaces.
love the videos! if i lived near you i would help you with all the gear ... stuff... antennas and so on for free because i love to pull cabels ... install antennas and so on ... i do!
Would you be able to test each of the WiFi 7 devices to see how strong the signal range is please? I am interested in the u7 pro, in wall, or the pro max as a 2 ap set up indoors.
The weather station is so wobbly. Does that affect the rain readings? I have a station very similar to yours and I had it on a pole the moved and was getting rain readings even though it wasn't raining. Do you ever worry about what all the radio frequencies are doing to your health? My favourite outdoor device is the old 4 year old one you removed only because I have one of those. If you want to send me the old one that would be great.😄 Are you going to wifi control the Llamas?
Yeah, it is wobbly. I have another hockey stick that needs guide wires too. It doesn't affect the rain reading so far though. I tend to reuse old devices with neighbours and family, so it will be put back to work.
I'm looking at getting a U7 outdoor for camping and giving wide omnidirectional WiFi coverage, not sure if I should go U7 outdoor or U6 mesh. What would you recommend?
Hi Ryan, good question. In omnidirectional both APs have about the same range in my experience. I would still go for the U7 Outdoor, considering they are pretty similar in price, and you get WiFi 7 with the U7, which will make a big difference in the next few years. Also, you can choose to change it to directional as an added bonus.
Oddly enough you get better speeds in the middle of a field than I am on a plane 😁. Missed opportunity to bring my pixel 8 pro and test out your WiFi 7 🤦♂️🤣
@@LarsKlintTech went for a "short" drive to Brisbane last weekend. I'll have to see about booking a night or two at your cottage next time (when I don't book flights a day before coming back over 🤣).
very good video thank you, i want to ask if the pro max real time feature is for only manual adjustments or does the device adjust real time channel better then u7 pro ?
Thanks mate. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the antennas, but check out the comment from @SeijinSA for this video: th-cam.com/video/myEkPUyV4MA/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgzbBjK1DXBPQdzqR0h4AaABAg.A7Ad0PNkUXaA7B0Vk7PzxH
20hz/40hz on 2,4GhZ expands your channel width which allows more data over your wifi connection. However it also poses a risk to more interference in a highly populated or wifi dense environment.
Hi there, great video ! Did you have any issues to adopt them ? I bought this product for a client and I never receive the « click to adopt » on my unifi server… I tried to reset it 5 times Connect to the default wifi Ssh on the access point Set-inform (do you put http or https ?) When I type « info » it’s written « waiting for adoption » But then I NEVER get the « click to adopt » Any ideas ?
No, no issues. In my video on the Unifi Device Bridge, I had the same issue with a G5 Flex camera, and it was the camera that was faulty. I am having it replaced under warranty.
There’s a terrible sound that ends at 22:48, lasts for a min or two before. Was that the music? It was a super high pitched pulsing sound. Otherwise great vid! Just an FYI incase you have a stock pile of music to use lol
Thanks for letting me know. That is indeed the funky music in the background. I suspect you might have dog hearing, as I don't find it terrible 🤣 I'll keep it in mind. Cheers.
Can you use this with any router, or do you also need a Ubiquiti AP? I have a friend that could use this, but they use the ISP provided WAP and I don't want them to have to buy a bunch of equipment they don't need
It runs at about 37C with 4-6 clients connected. That is about average. My U6 Pro runs at 28-30C, my U6 Enterprise runs at 43-44C and the U7 Pro Max is at 30C or so.
Would you recommend this U7 Outdoor over the older U6 Mesh Pro when it comes to longer range transmission with some trees involved? Trying to beam from my home to my front yard (about 400ft). Currently using the AC Mesh with the External Antenna. It works ok but speeds are not great and the signal strength is in the mid 70db range.
Yes, I would. For omnidirectional you will see a similar result, but for the directional antenna, the U7 Outdoor blows it out of the water....I mean air 😛You should see a vast improvement compared to the U6 Mesh, and the AC Mesh.
@LarsKlintTech yea, I've gotten in the habit of checking at odd times of the day if it's in stock or not. Just ordered another u6 in wall when they were in stock for another part of the house! Wish ubiquiti would confirm the rumors and a release date for the u7 with the hub.
Is that type of Wifi "mesh" ? Or do we need to manually change SSIDs I'm Running some DECO Outdoor X50 and some inside, but the outdoor performances are not that great, should it be better with some Ubiquiti devices ?
Yes, UniFi is a mesh network, where the UniFi Network Controller manages any number of access points in your network. The outdoor performance in your case is more likely influenced by interference, metal roofs, buildings and other things, rather than the hardware itself.
I am oddly tempted to try this with an RFElements Horn. Not that it would matter with the client device not being strong enough to talk back at that sort of distance. But it would be fun for a laugh.
@@LarsKlintTech RF Elements is a Horn/Panel/Antenna vendor that works primarily in the WISP Market - it is typically what we use in the WISP industry for signal blocking antennas, with narrow or very focused coverage, especially in noisy enviroments. In the Ubiquiti space, we would be talking about Rocket Prism, and LTU/AirFiber5xHD (or UAP-AC-Mesh for comedy) equipment with these type of horn replacements. Typically for 90/20 H/V degree @ 16dbi gain, 60/20 @ 17dbi , and 30/20 @ 20.5dbi coverage. They have other antennas as well, but common for use in Point to Point, or Point to Multipoint coverage. If you had numerous pieces of kit on similar frequencies in the same local area, these horns would be something to use where you could reuse the same frequency in another direction with less pollution of signal quality. Think of it as a shotgun choke for focusing the signal, and a shield from anything outside that focal zone. We would be using a Rocket Prism with a 30degree horn, as an example, to reach clients between 100m to 10-15km away for 5Ghz with connection speeds up to 650mbps (802.11ac). No real limit on channel width outside of airtime/distance/signal qualities.
@@SeijinSA I have so much to learn about antennas and signals. Thanks for sharing. I don't think it is necessary here on the farm, but it makes total sense.
@@LarsKlintTech Entirely optional - And again, it was a comedy option. That said, you can always find panel antennas that would do the same idea. Specifically the AirMax AM-5G16-120 is very well suited for pairing with a AC-Mesh/Pro and or might also be compatible with the new U7 Line for a bit extra distance. I need to review the new U7 Line, but the UK-Ultra (Swiss Army Knife - Wifi5/AC Only) is a very nicely priced update to the AC-Mesh that also works with outdoor antennas.
Because this is an Outdoor AP, there are a lot more restircitions on 6GHz when used outdoors. To be quite honet, it may be WiFi 7 rated, but it is only 2x2 in 2.4GHz and 2x2 in 5GHz This, combined with a 1gbps ethernet, menas it will not achieve any better performance than a WiFi 6 or WiFi AC access point as far as speed goes. Range may be better, but speed will be the same as an AC access point. The U6 Mesh is a 4x4 in 5GHz and actually outperforms the Outdoor U7 in speed, but not in range. Just as a note. You can't just dial up "Antenna Gain" more for more power. You set it to what the Antenna is rated to. Changing these settings are a risk if you don't know what you are doing. Definitely best to leave these as they are as you are using the UI supplied antenna
Thanks for the details. I see you realised it doesn't have 6Ghz due to outdoor rules. The range is definitely better, and speed may be higher if you get it on a 2.5Gb connection, and if your device is Wifi 7 compatible. Wifi 7 allows devices to use connections across bands simultaneously, so the U7 Outdoor effectively becomes a 4x4 on Wifi 7. Thanks for the heads up on the antenna gain. There is a reason I didn't fiddle with it, as 1) I don't know what I am doing, and 2) you can get in trouble from Telcos here in Australia for it.
@@LarsKlintTech I live in Australia too, so I understand the way our rules are and how strict they are for anything radio related and DIY related :). I was tossing up with a new outdoor AP between the U6 Mesh Pro and the WiFi 7 Outdoor. The U6 MEsh Pro is more expensive, but it does have more tx power, but then I am not sure it will get much more range than my current device, which is the the AC Mesh unit. I might just wait around and see if Ubiquiti release any Unifi Pro MAX AP's that have 4x4 in 5GHz band. I don't have any clients that are WiFi 7 at the moment, so I wouldn't get the benefits of WiFi 7. I am more just looking for range increase. The TX power for the U6 Mesh Pro is only marginally better thant the U7 Outdoor admittedly.
Good networking equipment is not cheap in general, as it needs to be reliable and easy to use. You don't need a whole lot to get started either, depending of course on your requirements. Another bonus is no monthly subscription either. All of the infrastructure and software is part of the deal. To get started, consider perhaps the Cloud Gateway Ultra and an access point?
Wtf is this video? The first time, you did an advanced speed test from the UDM to Starlink and from the AP to the mobile phone. The second time, after installing the APs, you didn't measure the speed improvement from the AP to your phone. I thought that was the whole point of this video. Also, in your case, being in the middle of nowhere, you should always increase the channel width to the max settings because you don't have to share channels with your neighbors. 80 MHz vs. 160 MHz is a huge difference; I can reach speeds of 900 Mbit with my U6+ with a channel width of 160 MHz. If you don't know what you're doing, please don't make these types of videos. Besides showing how to mount these APs, where is the benefit for viewers? Now, average users might think that you can only get 80 Mbit of speed with these APs.
Thanks for your feedback. That is what makes future videos better. The test was from Starlink to the AP, then from Starlink to the device. Skipping the first test (as I mention in the video) doesn't invalidate the result. With regards to the channel width, that is fair. I did change the 5Ghz channel size to 160MHz after filming, and I got roughly the same result in the same spot. Not sure why it made no difference, but it is still an improvement over the old setup. The videos give an insight into a non-professional enthusiast setting up equipment like a LOT of people might do. We don't all have to be professionals, there is room for everyone to share their experiences and opinion. If you don't enjoy the videos, you are most welcome to find your content elsewhere. No hard feelings. Also, could you please provide a link to your content so we can learn from an expert? That might help everyone watching.
@@LarsKlintTech I am not talking about the first speed test, which was an advanced speed test (AP to phone). I'm mad about the second speed test at the end after upgrading to the new AP, where you only did a normal speed test, which was inconclusive because it only measured the Starlink speed. This would have been the speed test I was looking for, as it would have shown the improvement gained through the upgrade to the new access point. But you're right, I don't make the effort to do videos on my own and therefore benefit from videos like yours. I'm just frustrated when there could be more benefit for viewers, hence the clumsy comment on my part.
@@FUSSSEL Fair enough. Clumsy test, clumsy comment. I am planning on doing a video of covering the entire property in WIFI, and when I record that I will redo that test in several scenarios and places. Fair?
4:30 how do you test the speed of the different segments? When I do the speed test I can only test the speed of my device to the internet. It's that because you are using unify devices?
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What a fun video and what a beautiful landscape. Keep up the great videos.
Thank you! It is very pretty here and I like sharing it 😊
That Google maps measure distance thing is awesome i had no idea about it
@@talesfromthebottle6314 I use it a lot 😁
I believe the reason the U7 Outdoor lacks the 6 GHz radio is because 6 GHz isn't yet allowed for outdoor broadcast (at least in the US).
Ah, right! I just checked and it seems to be the case in Australia too. Thanks so much for sharing that piece of info.
So it's borderline pointless then.
@@youdontneedmyrealname not at all. Wifi 7 works on 2.4 and 5ghz, and offers the same benefits with using multiple channels concurrently. Also, the 6ghz signal is very short, and wouldn't be super useful outside over longer distances. The strength of the 5ghz signal is enough for me to get more outside for better coverage.
I bet the llamas are happy with their wifi7 now!
Are they ever really happy? And I can't get a comment from them without going through their manager. 🙄
With that weather Station, MAKE SURE IT IS GROUNDED!!! My workplace had one with a metal post and the grounding cable got disconnected.. the lighting strike went all the way through the Ethernet cable into the network rack. We lost thousands worth of equipment. Also look into Rj45 surge protection, and if you are using shielded cable make sure that the ground between your post and your termination point are equalized.
Very good point, and thank you so much for the heads up. I have surge protectors on some things (th-cam.com/video/MhaUbDSHRYY/w-d-xo.html), but not this bit. Definitely a future improvement.
Loved the intro. Had me rolling.
Haha, that made my day. I do sometimes spend a bit too much time planning and coming up with the intros 😂
Holy Crap I love your farm! So jealous.
Thanks mate. I do love it here too. 🙂
Hi! Nice video :) You should set your 2.4GHz network channel width to 20MHz for better compatibility, and your 5GHz network to 160MHz or 240MHz for maximum speed :) (80MHz should work well if your APs are close to each other due to potential interference).
Thanks for the advice mate, and thanks for watching. I am playing around with the channel widths for both U7 Outdoor devices, to see what works best. I am planning a second video on the U7 Outdoor with two more devices (if I can get them) to cover the entire property, and the channel width will be a big part of that.
I like your wifi "mast" on that shack there 🤣
the 6GHz frequency band will allow for more devices in the same physical area, so that they don't walk on each other, which in turns will give faster speeds (less interference from the neighbors, not that you care in your vast australian expanses). there shouldn't be much difference in the coverage between 5GHz and 6GHz
EIRP is defined as power transmitted (22dBm), plus antenna gain (8dB in this case)
@@AmauryJacquot oh yeah, there are plenty of farm installs here 😁
I'm aware of the benefits of 6Ghz, but the U7 Outdoor doesn't have that. It does make a difference inside though.
It is because the omni directional antenna is made to be the one UBNT sells and it screws into those two ports on the top. If they aren't screwed in you risk damaging the unit. If you use something other than the UBNT ones that is when you use the custom option. Not well documented but that is how that works. Outside I would almost always use directional.
I don't think you will damage the unit, as the antennas for omnidirectional are optional. You can leave the rubber grommet in place.
I can see both use cases outside too for my place. In fact I use one of each currently.
Hey, cool video again. Cool to see you have all four models by now, including two Outdoor's.
Then, two tips: please disable Meshing, site wide. So not per AP but under the settings, Advanced, scroll down. There are two. At least Wireless Meshing you want to disable and maybe also that auto connect blabla. Those will reduce the AP's of sending out hidden SSID's. That will give you an extra boost at WiFi speed. Not sure how much that will do on your outside distances on that hill, but it's mostly faster and more stable for your WiFi networks.
And why did you have your country settings at USA? Sounds like you're in Australia. (Can't be because of 6GHz since that is supported/allowed since some Network/firmware versions, from last year).
Thanks again for the video. What's next. Fiber to a second Pro Max 16 PoE in that shed where that second U7-Outdoor is connected?
Thanks so much Peter for the extensive feedback. Love it!! I will disable meshing, as I have no use for it anymore.
As I mentioned in the video, the devices are sent by Unifi, so they are US spec, hence the country setting has always been US. I could possibly change it.
I have a larger project in the planning phase of getting 10Gbit (or close to) on the internal network, but not using fiber 😏
Why not fiber @@LarsKlintTech?
@@LarsKlintTech Ah, not fiber. Maybe a UBB-XG? That's a Point-to-Point with SFP+ connectors. I like those UBB's and that SFP+ connector is just wild, on a dish.
Yeah, why US if you're not in the US? I always put it on The Netherlands (since I live here). I would put it on Australia. It supports 6GHz fine and you're compliant with the country you're in.
Yeah, do yourself a favour and disable Wireless Meshing (and maybe that option below it).
And are you going to do a review at that U7-Pro-Max with that spectrum analyzer? Maybe want to see what Network 8.4 will bring you. It's at least very clear with a new Chanel overview board.
@@petervandebeek5980 That is exactly it. I need 4 pairs of UBB-XG though 😬
@@LarsKlintTech Four pairs? Are you insane? Those are quite expensive. I know that digging fiber is time consuming, so also expensive, but four pair of those. Mate, that's serious.
Well, have fun. I'd like to see the adoption progress. And how do you know what of the two suppose to be the AP (uplink side) and what the Station (downlink side) of the bridge?
Despite you previously showing setting the 5ghz band to 80, when you did your testing it clearly showed it set back to 40. Setting it to 80 will indeed likely get you some additional speed. You can also go ahead and set to the output to high, since you're likely not worried about roaming to other AP's out there on the hill. It wont help your phone transmit back to the AP, but it could help you get a bit more range and bandwidth on the download side of things. You should go back out there and test with transmit power set to high and test the channel width options to see what settings give you the best speed on the 5ghz band.
Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it. I have since changed them to 160mhz band for 5Ghz and that made a little bit of difference. I haven't tried setting the output to high yet.
Thanks again for the tips 🙂
You're awesome!
Awww, thanks mate. I am really not tbh, I just try things out and learn from my mistakes and all the lovely comments on the videos :)
I just replaced an aging UAP-M-Pro AC with an U7 Outdoor in omnidirectional mode. I feel the previous one held a better signal and was quicker in a way when walking around my 40 acre property. If you don't move the signal is good though. Tweaking settings to see if I can get it to work better and hoping for better firmware.
Interesting. I haven't used it enough yet to have that experience. I did drive down the hill in a zig zig pattern and it held the connection fine.
@@LarsKlintTech Mine is at the peak of a 2 story house. Even with a direct line of sight it sometimes takes a while to load things like in TH-cam while inside on the AC-LR it's great. Both are plugged into the same PoE+ Unifi switch. I'll use the Wifiman app to help troubleshoot. Great vids. I made a water tank level sensor based off your design and it's been awesome since 2021.
@@DivinaFarms_James Thanks for the insights. I will do some more testing in the paddock.
Oh, that makes me really happy to hear. My tanks are still going strong too, although I updated to an in-tank sensor for all of them.
@@LarsKlintTech It's what really got me going on using Home Assistant and ESPHome. I originally used a throw in sensor and it still working great. I've added a bunch of custom smart devices to my farmstead: a flowmeter for my livestock water with a motorized valve in case they bust open a pipe, my electric fence zapper can now be turned off via a Shelly1 from across the property so I can disable it when working on the fence, HA also monitors my incubators humidity and temperature. Got some plans for cheese making stuff in the future too. Thanks again for sharing vids that inspire!
@@DivinaFarms_JamesLove this so much. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the review video. I have a question. Can U7 outdoor be used in mesh mode? Just provide power to U7 outdoor via PoE adapter without connecting it to any network switch, the U7 outdoor will mesh with other access points in the network and provide internet access?
Yes, all the Unifi access points can work in mesh mode, including the U7 Outdoor.
@@LarsKlintTech Thank you.
For the omnidirectional antennas to function correctly they must be in free space, i.e. not against a pole or with other devices close to them. The AP should be on top of the mounting pole with the aerials completely in the clear.
Thanks for the feedback. What is the impact on having it pole mounted as per the Unifi installation instructions? I haven't noticed any considerable signal degradation.
@@LarsKlintTech If the omni directional antennas are close to a pole or other object, the SWR will be adversely affected, causing some TX power to be reflected back into the transmitter and not radiated. But perhaps more importantly the radiation pattern of the antennas will no longer be omni directional, there will be areas with poor coverage and areas with possibly greater coverage. I use the pole effect sometimes on VHF & UHF antennas to deliberately cause the radiation pattern to distort, this can be useful to enhance coverage in a particular direction. But in this case the spacing is exactly calculated, not random. It’s OK to mount part way down a pole if using the directional internal antenna though. I hope that helps.
@@over-engineered Awesome. Thanks for the insights 🙂
@over-engineered I have 2 AP7 outdoor APs they are to provide coverage on each long side of my house 17x10m with a relatively small yard ca 30x30m to be able to work outside. Are you suggesting using directional antennas as the APs will be mounted with their back against the house walls? I’m concerned about a too narrow coverage…
@@carlnakamura4861 For your application you’ll have to mount them as you propose, the distances aren’t that great so you probably won’t notice variations in signal caused by the building’s effect. The directional antenna is really for longer distances, or down a narrow space. Just keep metal away from the Omni antennas. My previous comments are for optimal performance in open spaces.
kudos for this review! 👌
Thanks for watching 😁
You should have tested 2.4 at the 200m omni antenna? Sometimes it's not about bigger number but stable number.
I did 212 meters at 27:10. After I stopped recording I did a test about 200 metres away and that was stable at about 40-50mbit
love the videos! if i lived near you i would help you with all the gear ... stuff... antennas and so on for free because i love to pull cabels ... install antennas and so on ... i do!
Thanks mate. I would welcome the help too 😂
Would you be able to test each of the WiFi 7 devices to see how strong the signal range is please? I am interested in the u7 pro, in wall, or the pro max as a 2 ap set up indoors.
That isn't a video I have planned as there are just too many variables that influence the signal strength.
Understood. Thanks for replying.
The weather station is so wobbly. Does that affect the rain readings? I have a station very similar to yours and I had it on a pole the moved and was getting rain readings even though it wasn't raining. Do you ever worry about what all the radio frequencies are doing to your health? My favourite outdoor device is the old 4 year old one you removed only because I have one of those. If you want to send me the old one that would be great.😄 Are you going to wifi control the Llamas?
Yeah, it is wobbly. I have another hockey stick that needs guide wires too. It doesn't affect the rain reading so far though.
I tend to reuse old devices with neighbours and family, so it will be put back to work.
I'm looking at getting a U7 outdoor for camping and giving wide omnidirectional WiFi coverage, not sure if I should go U7 outdoor or U6 mesh. What would you recommend?
Hi Ryan, good question. In omnidirectional both APs have about the same range in my experience. I would still go for the U7 Outdoor, considering they are pretty similar in price, and you get WiFi 7 with the U7, which will make a big difference in the next few years. Also, you can choose to change it to directional as an added bonus.
@@LarsKlintTech thank you for your help!
Oddly enough you get better speeds in the middle of a field than I am on a plane 😁.
Missed opportunity to bring my pixel 8 pro and test out your WiFi 7 🤦♂️🤣
Yes, where were you Steve!!!
@@LarsKlintTech went for a "short" drive to Brisbane last weekend. I'll have to see about booking a night or two at your cottage next time (when I don't book flights a day before coming back over 🤣).
@@Stephen-Jones Yes, do it.
@@LarsKlintTech you'll should open a unifi shop+ your merch as well on the farm 😁
very good video thank you, i want to ask if the pro max real time feature is for only manual adjustments or does the device adjust real time channel better then u7 pro ?
I don't know yet. I haven't tested that yet, but perhaps I will do a separate video on that.
Love the video, do you have any recommendations on third party antennas that are compatible.
Thanks mate. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the antennas, but check out the comment from @SeijinSA for this video: th-cam.com/video/myEkPUyV4MA/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgzbBjK1DXBPQdzqR0h4AaABAg.A7Ad0PNkUXaA7B0Vk7PzxH
20hz/40hz on 2,4GhZ expands your channel width which allows more data over your wifi connection. However it also poses a risk to more interference in a highly populated or wifi dense environment.
Yep, I'm aware. It's not recommended to go to 40mhz as a lot of IoT and older devices can only use 20.
Hi there, great video ! Did you have any issues to adopt them ?
I bought this product for a client and I never receive the « click to adopt » on my unifi server…
I tried to reset it 5 times
Connect to the default wifi
Ssh on the access point
Set-inform (do you put http or https ?)
When I type « info » it’s written « waiting for adoption »
But then I NEVER get the « click to adopt »
Any ideas ?
No, no issues. In my video on the Unifi Device Bridge, I had the same issue with a G5 Flex camera, and it was the camera that was faulty. I am having it replaced under warranty.
There’s a terrible sound that ends at 22:48, lasts for a min or two before. Was that the music? It was a super high pitched pulsing sound.
Otherwise great vid! Just an FYI incase you have a stock pile of music to use lol
Thanks for letting me know. That is indeed the funky music in the background. I suspect you might have dog hearing, as I don't find it terrible 🤣
I'll keep it in mind. Cheers.
@@LarsKlintTech lol wouldn’t be the first time I’ve heard that! Cheers
Nice!
Thanks for watching 😊
awesome stuff
Thanks mate 😊
Can you use this with any router, or do you also need a Ubiquiti AP? I have a friend that could use this, but they use the ISP provided WAP and I don't want them to have to buy a bunch of equipment they don't need
You can use a Unifi AP with any router or switch just fine. You might have a few features that aren't available, but the Wifi works.
Does your Inwall AP get hot? I have the U6 and I can fry eggs on that device.
It runs at about 37C with 4-6 clients connected. That is about average. My U6 Pro runs at 28-30C, my U6 Enterprise runs at 43-44C and the U7 Pro Max is at 30C or so.
The plates are for wall mounting on an electrical box.
Ah, is that what that figure is on the instructions 😂 Thanks mate, now I know.
Would you recommend this U7 Outdoor over the older U6 Mesh Pro when it comes to longer range transmission with some trees involved? Trying to beam from my home to my front yard (about 400ft). Currently using the AC Mesh with the External Antenna. It works ok but speeds are not great and the signal strength is in the mid 70db range.
Yes, I would. For omnidirectional you will see a similar result, but for the directional antenna, the U7 Outdoor blows it out of the water....I mean air 😛You should see a vast improvement compared to the U6 Mesh, and the AC Mesh.
@LarsKlintTech now just have to wait for it to come back into stock!
@@Jasonojordan88 it does frequently and then sells out quickly again.
@LarsKlintTech yea, I've gotten in the habit of checking at odd times of the day if it's in stock or not. Just ordered another u6 in wall when they were in stock for another part of the house! Wish ubiquiti would confirm the rumors and a release date for the u7 with the hub.
Finally caught them in stock. Ordered. Will be here later this week!
Is that type of Wifi "mesh" ? Or do we need to manually change SSIDs
I'm Running some DECO Outdoor X50 and some inside, but the outdoor performances are not that great, should it be better with some Ubiquiti devices ?
Yes, UniFi is a mesh network, where the UniFi Network Controller manages any number of access points in your network.
The outdoor performance in your case is more likely influenced by interference, metal roofs, buildings and other things, rather than the hardware itself.
@@LarsKlintTech Alright ! Thanks a lot for the answer :D
oh wow where does he live?
I am in country Australia.
I am oddly tempted to try this with an RFElements Horn. Not that it would matter with the client device not being strong enough to talk back at that sort of distance. But it would be fun for a laugh.
Do tell. What is an RF elements horn?
@@LarsKlintTech RF Elements is a Horn/Panel/Antenna vendor that works primarily in the WISP Market - it is typically what we use in the WISP industry for signal blocking antennas, with narrow or very focused coverage, especially in noisy enviroments.
In the Ubiquiti space, we would be talking about Rocket Prism, and LTU/AirFiber5xHD (or UAP-AC-Mesh for comedy) equipment with these type of horn replacements. Typically for 90/20 H/V degree @ 16dbi gain, 60/20 @ 17dbi , and 30/20 @ 20.5dbi coverage. They have other antennas as well, but common for use in Point to Point, or Point to Multipoint coverage.
If you had numerous pieces of kit on similar frequencies in the same local area, these horns would be something to use where you could reuse the same frequency in another direction with less pollution of signal quality. Think of it as a shotgun choke for focusing the signal, and a shield from anything outside that focal zone. We would be using a Rocket Prism with a 30degree horn, as an example, to reach clients between 100m to 10-15km away for 5Ghz with connection speeds up to 650mbps (802.11ac). No real limit on channel width outside of airtime/distance/signal qualities.
@@SeijinSA I have so much to learn about antennas and signals. Thanks for sharing. I don't think it is necessary here on the farm, but it makes total sense.
@@LarsKlintTech Entirely optional - And again, it was a comedy option. That said, you can always find panel antennas that would do the same idea. Specifically the AirMax AM-5G16-120 is very well suited for pairing with a AC-Mesh/Pro and or might also be compatible with the new U7 Line for a bit extra distance. I need to review the new U7 Line, but the UK-Ultra (Swiss Army Knife - Wifi5/AC Only) is a very nicely priced update to the AC-Mesh that also works with outdoor antennas.
@@SeijinSA This is super helpful. Thanks mate. If I need the extra distance (not sure yet), I've got them noted now.
Because this is an Outdoor AP, there are a lot more restircitions on 6GHz when used outdoors.
To be quite honet, it may be WiFi 7 rated, but it is only 2x2 in 2.4GHz and 2x2 in 5GHz This, combined with a 1gbps ethernet, menas it will not achieve any better performance than a WiFi 6 or WiFi AC access point as far as speed goes. Range may be better, but speed will be the same as an AC access point. The U6 Mesh is a 4x4 in 5GHz and actually outperforms the Outdoor U7 in speed, but not in range.
Just as a note. You can't just dial up "Antenna Gain" more for more power. You set it to what the Antenna is rated to. Changing these settings are a risk if you don't know what you are doing. Definitely best to leave these as they are as you are using the UI supplied antenna
Thanks for the details. I see you realised it doesn't have 6Ghz due to outdoor rules.
The range is definitely better, and speed may be higher if you get it on a 2.5Gb connection, and if your device is Wifi 7 compatible. Wifi 7 allows devices to use connections across bands simultaneously, so the U7 Outdoor effectively becomes a 4x4 on Wifi 7.
Thanks for the heads up on the antenna gain. There is a reason I didn't fiddle with it, as 1) I don't know what I am doing, and 2) you can get in trouble from Telcos here in Australia for it.
@@LarsKlintTech I live in Australia too, so I understand the way our rules are and how strict they are for anything radio related and DIY related :).
I was tossing up with a new outdoor AP between the U6 Mesh Pro and the WiFi 7 Outdoor. The U6 MEsh Pro is more expensive, but it does have more tx power, but then I am not sure it will get much more range than my current device, which is the the AC Mesh unit. I might just wait around and see if Ubiquiti release any Unifi Pro MAX AP's that have 4x4 in 5GHz band. I don't have any clients that are WiFi 7 at the moment, so I wouldn't get the benefits of WiFi 7. I am more just looking for range increase.
The TX power for the U6 Mesh Pro is only marginally better thant the U7 Outdoor admittedly.
@@EsotericArctos I'd still go with the U7 Outdoor
Woiuld love to start the Unifi ecosystem journey, but here in Australia as your probably aware is that its so expensive
Good networking equipment is not cheap in general, as it needs to be reliable and easy to use. You don't need a whole lot to get started either, depending of course on your requirements. Another bonus is no monthly subscription either. All of the infrastructure and software is part of the deal.
To get started, consider perhaps the Cloud Gateway Ultra and an access point?
OK, WTF did you get this from???
As I mention at the start of the video, Unifi sent these for review 😊
@@LarsKlintTech Yeah and the pricks can't supply.
If you are not going to use meshing, then you should turn it off.
Thanks for the tip. Someone else mentioned it in the comments too, so I have turned it off now. 😊
Wtf is this video? The first time, you did an advanced speed test from the UDM to Starlink and from the AP to the mobile phone. The second time, after installing the APs, you didn't measure the speed improvement from the AP to your phone. I thought that was the whole point of this video. Also, in your case, being in the middle of nowhere, you should always increase the channel width to the max settings because you don't have to share channels with your neighbors. 80 MHz vs. 160 MHz is a huge difference; I can reach speeds of 900 Mbit with my U6+ with a channel width of 160 MHz. If you don't know what you're doing, please don't make these types of videos. Besides showing how to mount these APs, where is the benefit for viewers? Now, average users might think that you can only get 80 Mbit of speed with these APs.
Thanks for your feedback. That is what makes future videos better. The test was from Starlink to the AP, then from Starlink to the device. Skipping the first test (as I mention in the video) doesn't invalidate the result.
With regards to the channel width, that is fair. I did change the 5Ghz channel size to 160MHz after filming, and I got roughly the same result in the same spot. Not sure why it made no difference, but it is still an improvement over the old setup.
The videos give an insight into a non-professional enthusiast setting up equipment like a LOT of people might do. We don't all have to be professionals, there is room for everyone to share their experiences and opinion. If you don't enjoy the videos, you are most welcome to find your content elsewhere. No hard feelings.
Also, could you please provide a link to your content so we can learn from an expert? That might help everyone watching.
@@LarsKlintTech I am not talking about the first speed test, which was an advanced speed test (AP to phone). I'm mad about the second speed test at the end after upgrading to the new AP, where you only did a normal speed test, which was inconclusive because it only measured the Starlink speed. This would have been the speed test I was looking for, as it would have shown the improvement gained through the upgrade to the new access point. But you're right, I don't make the effort to do videos on my own and therefore benefit from videos like yours. I'm just frustrated when there could be more benefit for viewers, hence the clumsy comment on my part.
@@FUSSSEL Fair enough. Clumsy test, clumsy comment. I am planning on doing a video of covering the entire property in WIFI, and when I record that I will redo that test in several scenarios and places. Fair?
@@LarsKlintTech fair enough 🤝
4:30 how do you test the speed of the different segments? When I do the speed test I can only test the speed of my device to the internet. It's that because you are using unify devices?
Yes, exactly. Wifiman will recognize and communicate with specific UniFi devices.
@@LarsKlintTech that's awesome 😁
@@S1L3nCe It works super well, and I can optimise my local network as well then.