I just did something very similar for my dad's property. The U7 Outdoor goes about 1,000 ft and gives some great wifi out to his barn where we just installed a bunch of Unifi cameras. Seriously, this thing is a BEAST!
Having a microcenter in my country (Hungary) would be a dream. Like man you dont need to wait two days for stuff and you can go in person and shop computer parts like you are going to the grocery store?? Such a great thing
Im also from Hungary, but imagine if we open a large store, specifically electronics store covering all of the main categories, who on earth would come to us to buy something? Im pretty sure, we would have a mountain high of debt in the first year. Sadly hungary isnt big enough, in terms of population and most of us arent into tech at all. just pick the cheapest and good to go... I considered opening a store but after the planning phase it all went to the trash... Not really worth doing this.
It'd be nice to have Micro Center here in Canada. The two computer specialty chains we have here, Canada Computers and Memory Express are good, but don't compare to Micro Center.
it's insane that washington state still doesn't have a micro center despite having some of the biggest tech giants in the states like microsoft amazon and boeing. maybe you could convince them to open one up 😂
I've been using two Ubiquiti Nanostation locos between the house and garage at my parents for years now. They work extremely well and haven't had any issues with them. They are UISP devices but they do show up in the Unifi network topology properly. The reason I did those was also the same reasons you have for not running a cable. Though thankfully the siding there is vinyl and not stucco haha.
@@TechnoTim np! They only show up under wired connections though! So if you filter by only Unifi devices they won't show up. But when they are showing you can see the connection between them.
I've been using PTP from house to garage for 4.5 years with a pair of NanoBeam AC Gen2 from Ubiquiti. Work great for cameras and garage TV. Similar constraints as you in my South Minneapolis property regarding trenching. These NanoBeams have been rock solid, but I do have to manage them separate from my Unifi gear, which is not difficult.
I honestly went with PTP between house and garage using the UISP Wave Pico. They're cheap enough and easy enough to set up and look great too. (I can send pictures) Especially with the Quick Mount they provide in the store separately. Having 60Ghz is awesome for speed and latency and optional backhaul is nice too, for when it's needed. I initially thought it was overkill too. Although, right after I purchased it, a week later they announced the new bridge devices. Initially I was gonna go with the UBB but there was stock issues and a longevity issue in the event a replacement was required. The waves are modular enough, plus it's fun to mess with a new software suite. UISP is quite cool, too.
Assuming you already have mains electricity in the garage you could have tried Powerline (ethernet + WiFi) with one of the consumer unit boxes of the kind that Devolo do (Magic 2 LAN DINrail on their website) to increase the bandwidth.
I can confirm first hand that Powerline adapters can work great until you attempt to cross sub panels. I tied the same for my Grandparents home to garage and it wasn't able to connect whatsoever, no matter the socket used by the adapter in the garage, but your millage may vary.
@@TechnoTimone thing you need to keep in mind when running the power line Ethernet adapters is they really need to stay on the same phase of your power. So if your garage’s circuit breaker is on the left side, the power line adapter needs to be on a circuit on that side as well. If the sub panel is a 220 double breaker you will just need to try outlets in the garage on both legs to see which matches up. Also keep in mind they shouldn’t be plugged into any surge protectors. The adapters are cheap enough I always recommend at least trying them for most people before doing point to point when running fiber isn’t an option. Best of luck.
I did, it's in there. Worked a little better (better quality signal) but still not worth the hassle if I was going to mount it properly since it's directional. New AP (U7) plus UDB FTW!
@TechnoTim lol, multitasking while watching.. yeah it was super impressive at distance in my testing.. UDB made more since in ur application, I was just interested in speed results head to head....
Neat, personally find this interesting and super helpful. I just need to run internet through a floor so that UDB might work out fine for me. There are sometimes situations where people are stuck renting with no hopes of owning a property. So sometimes you can't drill holes and run a cable!
I have build wireless bridges for years now. First 11Mbit with Dlink and Yagi-antennas, than 300Mbit with patch-antennas (Dlink and TP-Link), than 108Mbit point2point over 300m with Ubiquiti, than 5Ghz as an upgrade on the same link and now mesh with AC-lite, AC-mesh, U6-mesh and U6-pro. About 35 APs controlled with a single RasPi4b.
To connect our shed to the network I'm going to run a cat 6a STP suspended on a wire about 15' in the air. Leaves plenty of headroom for moving ladders about and I can get the suspended wire as tight as a guitar string. keeping the cat 6a equally straight. No limp noodles like the rest of our network in the house. everything dead straight and right angles everywhere. Copious amounts of cableties and outdoor rated cat 6a too UV protected of course. that will give me 10gig over the copper. points are already wired at one end. just need to fix the shed up now :P I'll probably put 2 cables up there so i have a redundent cable should the first one fail.
We just ran a dedicated point to point from our water tower to our new building site a little over a mile away (utility company). We are also in Minnesota so I'm curious how well this will work in our cold winters 120ft in the air. 😁
As long as it's ubiquiti or Mikrorik, it'll be fine. -40F and the units are rock solid as long as you UPS the units and intend on running them 24x7. Had good luck running them from about 95F to -40F without any issues, DFS bugs in beta firmwares but generally really stable. Only issues are Line Of Sight and interference from other devices. DFS is nice for that; multiple 20/40MHz channels to play with free from much interference (unless youre near a huge urban center)
Any tips on the minis form ms-01? I want it to auto reboot after power loss or have wake on lan but it doesn’t seem to support either of those in the bios
Ubiquiti has had point to point wireless bridge using 24ghz and 60ghz for years. It's plug and play. Aim it through walls. No radar interference. Gigabit+. Been using them to connect buildings in close proximity for a long time. If you're broke or not sponsored by Ubiquiti, Mikrotik does similar products, been using them for years too.
When testing using the DFS channels how bad is the interruption from rescanning for an open channel? Curious if this was just a monetary drop or if radar occupies large frequency ranges and means a longer drop out.
Great question! A couple of things I noticed: 1) Channels take a long time to scan when switching to a DFS channel, up to 1 minute 2) When radar is detected it tells my AP to switch channels. I think that that point it has 60 seconds to notifiy all of my clients of the incoming changes and will find a non DFS channel, at which point it switches. 3) This change happened within 2 minutes and all clients switched channels. There might have been a small interrupion to the clients but hard to know 4) The access point stayed on the NON DFS channel until my daily optmization ran at 2 AM, then it switched back. 5) RADAR was never consitent. Seemed to start at 7:30 AM, 2:27 AM, 5:54 AM.
I'm baffled Tim - you're obviously a smart guy and have certainly done way more complex setups with other things, so how this escaped you to mount outside/outside with Ubiquiti products out of the gate I don't get. Seems obvious choice immediately. Glad it worked out. Chris can help, too. lol
Thanks! I built this bridge about 10 years ago and didn't want to add more hardware, I just wanted to replace existing. I thought maybe the bridge alone would have solved it but as you see, it needed more 😅
@@dudedavid522 I fed it thought the existing fiber hole which is about 6 ft from the pole I mounted it on, above ground. There's no way to go to the garage without going under the cement patio and avoiding a buried electrical line. No thanks.
I get that this is a sponsored video but wired would have been the much better way to go for that distance. Yes, I saw your reasons for not going wired but you already had to go through the wall to put in an outdoor access point (one of the reasons you didn't want to go wired), so you might as well have just went wired (copper or fiber, preferably the latter). Much more reliable than any wireless.
I repurposed the hole that was used for fiber line coming in for the access point, which is above ground and there's no way around the cement patio except for under, along with buried electrical ⚡. Also, it was sponsored by Micro Center, network brand was my choice.
@@TechnoTim I get it, but if you're planning on being there long term, which I assume you are given you said your previous setup was from about 10 years ago, then wired would be the way to go. Yes it takes more effort initially but the long term gain is having a much more reliable connection. You could even make it a video series.
It's a fair point, a cat6 cable isn't exactly an eyesore, could easily conceal it by running along a fence or around the perimeter of the property. Stick it in conduit or similar if it needs to be protected...
Is there any law where you live that prohibits running a fiber or cat6 cable high up the wall to the garage? To be honest, at that short distance, WiFi bridge would be my last resort.
The point to point was the way to go. They operate at 60 Ghz do there's virtually no interference and then use a poe switch in the garage. Use that to power whatever AP you want to use. Couldn't finish watching this.
Third world country perks: A few people can afford internet. Those who can only have ISP routers that use 2.4 GHz stuff, radars aren't any common here I can enjoy my WiFi 6 router using exotic channels
This is not a great setup to be honest. Just get a point to point and an access point to the garage i know yoy dont want to drill holes but man you have too many devices not designed for this all trying to work together and give a mid solution
Thanks for the feedback. This is exactly what the UDB is designed for, point it at your existing wifi network. Works great according to my tests and point to point doesn’t give wifi coverage in or around the garage.
That distance is screaming for $50 of direct burial fiber and no interference headaches forever. The stucco wall drilling and very thin concrete expansion joint probably take less time than the 240 MHz tests. And it's a new video!
Dude... stop coping, please. This is not an ideal setup if you do anything mission critical on your garage network. Just lay a speed pipe between the buildings and file the costs as business expenses. You WILL see yourself wanting to upgrade to 10+ Gbit/s at some point and then your only option is optical fiber. You're only delaying the inevitable.
One of the first things I did when I bought my house in South Minneapolis is dig a trench, lay down 8-3UF, 1-1/2 conduit, and pull 6 runs of cat5e to the garage. A few years later, I yanked out the cable, and pulled it back in with an air hose, so my compressor is in the garage and I have compressed air in the house.
I just did something very similar for my dad's property. The U7 Outdoor goes about 1,000 ft and gives some great wifi out to his barn where we just installed a bunch of Unifi cameras. Seriously, this thing is a BEAST!
Having a microcenter in my country (Hungary) would be a dream. Like man you dont need to wait two days for stuff and you can go in person and shop computer parts like you are going to the grocery store?? Such a great thing
I am lucky to have such a great partner here in the US to help me continue doing what I love!
Im also from Hungary, but imagine if we open a large store, specifically electronics store covering all of the main categories, who on earth would come to us to buy something? Im pretty sure, we would have a mountain high of debt in the first year. Sadly hungary isnt big enough, in terms of population and most of us arent into tech at all. just pick the cheapest and good to go... I considered opening a store but after the planning phase it all went to the trash... Not really worth doing this.
Does Amazon (de or at) not ship to you?
It'd be nice to have Micro Center here in Canada. The two computer specialty chains we have here, Canada Computers and Memory Express are good, but don't compare to Micro Center.
it's insane that washington state still doesn't have a micro center despite having some of the biggest tech giants in the states like microsoft amazon and boeing. maybe you could convince them to open one up 😂
It was nice meeting you in person at my job! (microcenter)
Awesome solution. I'm super interested in seeing the install too, can't wait for the video to come out on your other channel.
I've been using two Ubiquiti Nanostation locos between the house and garage at my parents for years now. They work extremely well and haven't had any issues with them. They are UISP devices but they do show up in the Unifi network topology properly. The reason I did those was also the same reasons you have for not running a cable. Though thankfully the siding there is vinyl and not stucco haha.
Good to know they show up in UniFi even though they are UISP! I will keep that in mind! Thanks for confirmation!
@@TechnoTim np! They only show up under wired connections though! So if you filter by only Unifi devices they won't show up. But when they are showing you can see the connection between them.
Have a pair myself. They have been great.
Also 1/4 the price. I use the airMAX NanoStation 5AC Locos and they are very easy to setup & rock solid.
I've been using PTP from house to garage for 4.5 years with a pair of NanoBeam AC Gen2 from Ubiquiti. Work great for cameras and garage TV. Similar constraints as you in my South Minneapolis property regarding trenching. These NanoBeams have been rock solid, but I do have to manage them separate from my Unifi gear, which is not difficult.
Just go with powerline adapter since you have power to the garage. Camera will work just fine.
I honestly went with PTP between house and garage using the UISP Wave Pico. They're cheap enough and easy enough to set up and look great too. (I can send pictures) Especially with the Quick Mount they provide in the store separately. Having 60Ghz is awesome for speed and latency and optional backhaul is nice too, for when it's needed. I initially thought it was overkill too. Although, right after I purchased it, a week later they announced the new bridge devices.
Initially I was gonna go with the UBB but there was stock issues and a longevity issue in the event a replacement was required. The waves are modular enough, plus it's fun to mess with a new software suite. UISP is quite cool, too.
Assuming you already have mains electricity in the garage you could have tried Powerline (ethernet + WiFi) with one of the consumer unit boxes of the kind that Devolo do (Magic 2 LAN DINrail on their website) to increase the bandwidth.
Thanks! I thought about that but heard that it doesn't work great for sub panels? Maybe I can also try that in a part 3!
I can confirm first hand that Powerline adapters can work great until you attempt to cross sub panels. I tied the same for my Grandparents home to garage and it wasn't able to connect whatsoever, no matter the socket used by the adapter in the garage, but your millage may vary.
@@TechnoTimone thing you need to keep in mind when running the power line Ethernet adapters is they really need to stay on the same phase of your power. So if your garage’s circuit breaker is on the left side, the power line adapter needs to be on a circuit on that side as well. If the sub panel is a 220 double breaker you will just need to try outlets in the garage on both legs to see which matches up. Also keep in mind they shouldn’t be plugged into any surge protectors. The adapters are cheap enough I always recommend at least trying them for most people before doing point to point when running fiber isn’t an option. Best of luck.
Did you try the UDB Pro? Would be interesting to see if you got any additional gains at that distance...
I did, it's in there. Worked a little better (better quality signal) but still not worth the hassle if I was going to mount it properly since it's directional. New AP (U7) plus UDB FTW!
@TechnoTim lol, multitasking while watching.. yeah it was super impressive at distance in my testing.. UDB made more since in ur application, I was just interested in speed results head to head....
@@DPCTechnology Same here. I would like to see speed results of 2 UDB pros mounted outside compared to his current setup
Neat, personally find this interesting and super helpful. I just need to run internet through a floor so that UDB might work out fine for me. There are sometimes situations where people are stuck renting with no hopes of owning a property. So sometimes you can't drill holes and run a cable!
Thanks! Yeah, "just run a wire" isn't always the solution.
I have build wireless bridges for years now. First 11Mbit with Dlink and Yagi-antennas, than 300Mbit with patch-antennas (Dlink and TP-Link), than 108Mbit point2point over 300m with Ubiquiti, than 5Ghz as an upgrade on the same link and now mesh with AC-lite, AC-mesh, U6-mesh and U6-pro. About 35 APs controlled with a single RasPi4b.
Greetings, what is the drawing software that you use? Thank you!
Why not use gigabit power line network adapters? They’re designed for these scenarios specifically….
Go for 60g ptp. Wave nano should be a good choice
To connect our shed to the network I'm going to run a cat 6a STP suspended on a wire about 15' in the air. Leaves plenty of headroom for moving ladders about and I can get the suspended wire as tight as a guitar string. keeping the cat 6a equally straight. No limp noodles like the rest of our network in the house. everything dead straight and right angles everywhere. Copious amounts of cableties and outdoor rated cat 6a too UV protected of course. that will give me 10gig over the copper. points are already wired at one end. just need to fix the shed up now :P I'll probably put 2 cables up there so i have a redundent cable should the first one fail.
Maybe I missed it but did you force the antenna to be directional?
if your garage has power would an Ethernet over power device do better? (800-1000mbps)
@TechnoTim What program do you use for your diagrams?
Why was your SSID halfway across the world?
The U7 range is incredible. I guess the joke didn't land the way I wanted it to 😅
We just ran a dedicated point to point from our water tower to our new building site a little over a mile away (utility company). We are also in Minnesota so I'm curious how well this will work in our cold winters 120ft in the air. 😁
As long as it's ubiquiti or Mikrorik, it'll be fine. -40F and the units are rock solid as long as you UPS the units and intend on running them 24x7. Had good luck running them from about 95F to -40F without any issues, DFS bugs in beta firmwares but generally really stable. Only issues are Line Of Sight and interference from other devices. DFS is nice for that; multiple 20/40MHz channels to play with free from much interference (unless youre near a huge urban center)
11:04 What kind of website is this?
Any tips on the minis form ms-01? I want it to auto reboot after power loss or have wake on lan but it doesn’t seem to support either of those in the bios
My pair of NanoStation AC5's have been great.
Ubiquiti has had point to point wireless bridge using 24ghz and 60ghz for years. It's plug and play. Aim it through walls. No radar interference. Gigabit+. Been using them to connect buildings in close proximity for a long time.
If you're broke or not sponsored by Ubiquiti, Mikrotik does similar products, been using them for years too.
Thanks for the heads up, I will check it out! I am not sponsored by Ubiquiti. Looks like there will be a part 3 to my wireless bridge in the future!
I don't think 24GHz and 60Ghz radio can go through wall at all
@@johnnyzhang1253 Good to know, it's not only a wall, it's stucco (house & garage) so it's a cement wall too! 😅
@@TechnoTim rib bro
@@TechnoTim Stucco also has wire mesh embedded in it. Us South Minneapolis stucco home owners can resonate with you.
Weird that you don't include a link or even mention the U7 Outdoor in the description to this video.
Ah microcenter. I haven’t been over to SLP in a while lol.
That's the one!
Time to pick up a shovel Tim!
When testing using the DFS channels how bad is the interruption from rescanning for an open channel? Curious if this was just a monetary drop or if radar occupies large frequency ranges and means a longer drop out.
Great question! A couple of things I noticed:
1) Channels take a long time to scan when switching to a DFS channel, up to 1 minute
2) When radar is detected it tells my AP to switch channels. I think that that point it has 60 seconds to notifiy all of my clients of the incoming changes and will find a non DFS channel, at which point it switches.
3) This change happened within 2 minutes and all clients switched channels. There might have been a small interrupion to the clients but hard to know
4) The access point stayed on the NON DFS channel until my daily optmization ran at 2 AM, then it switched back.
5) RADAR was never consitent. Seemed to start at 7:30 AM, 2:27 AM, 5:54 AM.
That is half the fun 🤩
Why not use powerline to establish a link?
You have power in the garage, this is what I use for my house to garage that works reliably (both adapters are as close to the breaker as possible)
I appreciate the effort, but I would have just run some fibre.
I'm baffled Tim - you're obviously a smart guy and have certainly done way more complex setups with other things, so how this escaped you to mount outside/outside with Ubiquiti products out of the gate I don't get. Seems obvious choice immediately. Glad it worked out. Chris can help, too. lol
Thanks! I built this bridge about 10 years ago and didn't want to add more hardware, I just wanted to replace existing. I thought maybe the bridge alone would have solved it but as you see, it needed more 😅
30m of fiber and two SFP modules or media converters would solve all the problems forever
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As a radio engineer I would always recommend going fiber when possible 😉
how'd you get the cat 6 outside
@@dudedavid522 I fed it thought the existing fiber hole which is about 6 ft from the pole I mounted it on, above ground. There's no way to go to the garage without going under the cement patio and avoiding a buried electrical line. No thanks.
Can’t you run the fiber together with the electrical wire?
I get that this is a sponsored video but wired would have been the much better way to go for that distance. Yes, I saw your reasons for not going wired but you already had to go through the wall to put in an outdoor access point (one of the reasons you didn't want to go wired), so you might as well have just went wired (copper or fiber, preferably the latter). Much more reliable than any wireless.
I repurposed the hole that was used for fiber line coming in for the access point, which is above ground and there's no way around the cement patio except for under, along with buried electrical ⚡. Also, it was sponsored by Micro Center, network brand was my choice.
@@TechnoTim I get it, but if you're planning on being there long term, which I assume you are given you said your previous setup was from about 10 years ago, then wired would be the way to go. Yes it takes more effort initially but the long term gain is having a much more reliable connection. You could even make it a video series.
@thank you! For sure! This is really part 2 of the journey! Part 3 could be wired!
It's a fair point, a cat6 cable isn't exactly an eyesore, could easily conceal it by running along a fence or around the perimeter of the property. Stick it in conduit or similar if it needs to be protected...
Interesting video, but you probably should have just over engineered it and gone a proper wireless bridge.
Is there any law where you live that prohibits running a fiber or cat6 cable high up the wall to the garage? To be honest, at that short distance, WiFi bridge would be my last resort.
The point to point was the way to go. They operate at 60 Ghz do there's virtually no interference and then use a poe switch in the garage. Use that to power whatever AP you want to use. Couldn't finish watching this.
Third world country perks: A few people can afford internet. Those who can only have ISP routers that use 2.4 GHz stuff, radars aren't any common here
I can enjoy my WiFi 6 router using exotic channels
I want to use exotic, open ocean, channels!
a wireless bridge is a "wireless cable" :D
Meanwhile I'm still learning about sfp transceivers and swapping to opnsense. Lol
It's just your neighbor's kid playing with a flipper zero that caused your network drops.
9:12 too close to the airport or a main road?
I think it might be the airport, that's the only explanation I can think of.
@@TechnoTim It's the airport in my experience. DFS drop happens occasionally for me, and I think it may be some military flights... not sure, though.
Zelda fan spotted 🤩
This is not a great setup to be honest. Just get a point to point and an access point to the garage i know yoy dont want to drill holes but man you have too many devices not designed for this all trying to work together and give a mid solution
Thanks for the feedback. This is exactly what the UDB is designed for, point it at your existing wifi network. Works great according to my tests and point to point doesn’t give wifi coverage in or around the garage.
Homie complains about congested 5GHz spectrum and then un-ironically takes up 240MHz of spectrum at high power to run a security camera.
@@ManuelRodriguez27 homie had to test it out
That distance is screaming for $50 of direct burial fiber and no interference headaches forever.
The stucco wall drilling and very thin concrete expansion joint probably take less time than the 240 MHz tests. And it's a new video!
@@storyinmemo I mean for sure but if he really doesn't want holes at least get a ptp. Perhaps use the wifi 7 AP inside and get rid of the old ap too.
Dude... stop coping, please. This is not an ideal setup if you do anything mission critical on your garage network. Just lay a speed pipe between the buildings and file the costs as business expenses. You WILL see yourself wanting to upgrade to 10+ Gbit/s at some point and then your only option is optical fiber. You're only delaying the inevitable.
Says a bridge is overkill..installs an outdoor ap. Half the bridge..lol
One of the first things I did when I bought my house in South Minneapolis is dig a trench, lay down 8-3UF, 1-1/2 conduit, and pull 6 runs of cat5e to the garage. A few years later, I yanked out the cable, and pulled it back in with an air hose, so my compressor is in the garage and I have compressed air in the house.
Much better use!
Yeah... I would have just ran two cables for redundancy and called it a day. This is far too involved and temporary.
It's been temporary for 10+ years 😂
@@TechnoTim Sounds like most of my projects hahaha
1st Comment!, Radar causes chaos with wifi, used DFS at my old place at the ocean and my wifi basically turned off with all the radar😂
I had no idea I had radar in my area until now!
You will dig down a small flexipipe with a network cable within a couple of months. You will not be satisfied with this kind of solution. 5:06
the ultimate wireless bridge isn't wireless, it's MoCA
Wireless is the enemy