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I'd be happy with 3 sets a year. The current pace is indeed exhausting. Our mtg group barely sunk our teeth into Bloomburrow and they were already shoving duskmourn down our throats. Agony.
I've always thought this way since my first job as a teenager. All the management talking about we have to grow and sell even more and it never made any sense given finite customers and capital
Well we do call ourselves "consumers" we don't buy, shop, engage or use we CONSUME. And we willingly label ourselves that. We are never satiated, there is no goal, no endgame, its consumption for consumption's sake. The fact that growth is a metric is completely insane and no one seems to notice. We grow and consume - there can only be one outcome and its already on the horizon.
I stopped collecting Commander decks because it went from 4 a year to 25+ decks a year. On top of that the powercreep has gotten crazy and you need an encylopaedic knowledge to keep up with all the mechanics and tokens coming out every set. I am just tired of trying to keep up.
I don't even bother reading most of the cards that come out. Each one has a fucking essay you have to read. Also like 90% of these cards are just convoluted fucking nonsense that's meant to do some janky bullshit in commander. Commanders popularity is a major factor in why MTG cards have some stupid fucking janky mechanic.
Same 4 me got in year before change and when they changed the amount I stated I'd still only get 1 a year 3 years later I still hadn't bought a cmdr deck
@@diegorezi5760 I think the bans was better for new and real causal players. I see a lot of happy people. LGS only use 2 skill brackets when’s there’s more
@@theunfortunatecollector115 Cheaping out on the amount of certain chemicals used in foil treatments. Stuff that prevents humidity from seeping past the surface layer. Another Chris The Cock squeezing of the orange move, in other words. When that guy dies, Atem is going to send his soul to the Shadow Realm, as a professional courtesy shown The Maker, Richard Garfield. What’s going to happen to The Traitor MaRo is best left unsaid.
It's the same with Marvel Studios and Disney. MS makes all the money and Disney blows it on DEI bull. It's part of the reason Ryan Reynolds is talking about walking out. As much of a Marvel fanboy that I am, if Ryan walks so does my money from any other Disney involved project.
You know what really soured me on current Magic? I was really into Bloomburrow and felt like I barely got to enjoy it before duskmourn came down the pike
It’s basically the equivalent of you just got a new bike and the kid down the street got a newer bike that has a whistle on it, makes your bike not seem so great anymore
Current standard is pretty good though... Bloomburrow was a great set, and because it's typal and Duskmourn isn't, people are going to be playing rats and bats and lizards for a long time to come; I mean, I'll keep playing soldiers until Brothers War rotates out. Totally feel you though, I'm still super-hyped for Bloomburrow... and it's done now.
No one made you stop enjoying bloomburrow. Thats a bizarre thing to say. I still enjoy urzas saga and that happen 25 years ago. Take control man, jesus.
About the layoffs, I was just reading this article about this Hasbro employee who worked there for 25 years, and was just laid off with those other 100 people. Sad
As long as they keep doing stupid gimmicks like marvel heros i'm sure fanboys will keep them afloat. just glad to have been part of the glory days of the 90s. its never going back to that.
The average MTG plays 1-2 years in constructed formats. UB sets are made to bring in people to sell sets and not for the long term. the MTG community believes that Commander will carry the company and it will not. WOTC has done e permanent damage to the game.
@@ubernerrd Fairly well from what i've heard and yeah you could be right man. Hasbro is one fuck up after another, there is no way it will last forever.
Wotc is trying so hard to chase new players while telling older players, what we're doing is not for you, which seems crazy because the legacy of magic is the one big advantage it has. Pokemon and Lorcana are two of the biggest IPs in the world, One Piece appeals to fans, magic will never compete in the new player market like other games, so why not try to make things that appeal to an already established player base. People get people into magic, it's how it's always been, I just feel like they lost their direction on how to capitalize on that.
Because that would make sense and would lead to long term sustainably and steady profits. Hasbro is burning the bridge in an attempt to grab as much cash as possible while they are still running across that same bridge.
@@SinfulTitanthey are so concerned with long-term health. Being sarcastic, I'm so over being upset and caring about MTG. I think minus the built decks I have I'm selling/giving away the rest of my cards and not buying more... f-em
Honestly, with the accelerated rate of product - this is a downward spiral. I think there's no point in buying any new product, unless your like the art.
I have a fear that WOTC will see Bloomburrow’s success attributed to those cutsy animals and we will be getting more Pokémon-ish stuff like that dumb Loot character from Thunder Junction… :(
Haven't bought a shit ass magic product in 6 years and am proud of that fact. When they start printing real magic cards again and show thay care, ill start buying again.
I actually walked into a game store looking to get back into magic this summer. And even the shop owner couldnt give me a good, concise answer in terms of which booster box i should get. I walked back out empty handed. Time to move on
They are burning through the game faster and faster. They know this is unsustainable and they try to cash out as fast as they can before the ship sinks.
It's gonna go even worse when they decide paper is too expensive and they try to make MTG fully digital. I don't play digital Magic. I play physical magic like we did in '98. And they just announced they're all in on digital. So I'm genuinely concerned.
I think by all in they mean they're going to add every card to the digital library and add commander/multi-player. That's definitely going to be a huge undertaking. I truly doubt physical cards are going anywhere, digital is just what we use when we can't get our in-person fix 😅
digital game wise for mtg the game that was out before mtg arena was considered good and no not mtgo. of course arena comes out and the other is impossible to get now
I love the analogy of smacking the goose against a wall to get more eggs. That’s spot on 😅 it also makes me think of Zoolander. “The money is in WOTC!” And they start smashing everything to get to the money.
Magic growth has stagnated as their core market of dedicated customers has continued to become disenfranchised and the churn is offsetting the newer, less dedicated customers being onboarded.
The game isn't even much of a game anymore. If you can build up a board state and have counter play, but the opponent wins from one card, it's not a game. And the universes beyond stuff is beyond stupid
I don’t mind UB if it fits with the theme of Magic. DnD and LotR were perfect. Godzilla - sure there’s always been huge monsters. Clue, Assassin’s Creed, or Marvel are turnoffs. That’s not Magic.
They beat this game into the ground and chassed a format so hard that they gave the middle finger to every other format for the past 7 years that they friggen deserve what they reap. F them. They minus well just rebrand the company to Commander of the Coast.
I don't even play modern but the situation around the One Ring is ridiculous. Also the whole MH3 "we can't print modern decks because they'd be too expensive so here's some 'premium' commander decks that aren't modern legal teehee" was a huge laugh. Don't even get me started on standard.
Shoot man, I'm a commander player and when they have the commander players complaining that they're ruining the game by not focusing on standard and modern and some of the other newish formats, you know you done f*cked up. Take care of standard and the trickle down effect will take care of every other format. Standard will never be the mountain it once was, it'll take years of hard core support and trying to bring the players back and building trust with the LGS's again. I really think they burned that bridge.
I've been playing Magic for 28 years. I stopped buying Magic cards when Strixhaven came out. I've switched to Sorcery Contested Realm; infinitely better game. Only Magic I play these days is Old School 93/94.
so from what i understand, were going to get 12 expansions a year, 3 core sets and 52 secret lairs? i like how bauldrs gate 3 "shakes up the industry" by doing something thaf used to be an industry standard.
It makes me wonder how long that pace can keep, even now they lose parts all along the way and their wagon is tilting sideways more than it keeps straight. No good business model to just keep pushing harder at the customers to pay more for less quality.
Only if your tarded enough to keep buying the shit they are shoveling down your throat. Have some self respect and dont spend money on a company that clearly doesnt care about you, otherwise your just in an abusive relationship.
I really liked most of Duskmourn. I felt like the anesthetic of the set was going back to an older concept outside the retro 80s stuff. I think if they left that out and stuck with an outright horror theme, it would be just as successful as Bloomburrow.
The commander bans and new sets (and reprints) every other month really killed the value of the cards. There is almost no reason not to just print proxies now (the knock offs are also better quality!). I was spending a ton of money on MTG, but now I'm spending a single penny anymore on cards. They need to treat this game as a CCG and not a deck building game if they want to make a profit.
I agree with the take on small kids and technology. Like I get it: at a certain age you will start to enjoy video games more, but when I see very small kids, 4 or 5 years old, play on a tablet... yeah idk. That is the time to run around looking for a particularly nice stick, or play board games with your parents, who let you win while pretending they dont.
Another issue, is with all the variety of different artworks per card they have to be paying a lot of artist a lot of money. To make Magic profitable, they need to reduce the number of releases each year and the number of different arts per card in each set. Honestly, I don't even look at spoilers anymore becuase every day there is a "new" Magic card announced. There was a time I knew most Magic cards that existed now if it has been printed since they left the 4 sets per year I have no idea. I have given up trying to keep up with all the releases. Now and then, I will look but typically well after the entire set is spoiled/out. I went from 16 commander decks to 4 now. Once in the last year, I bought singles. I haven't bought any sealed product since the first commander masters set. I rarely play anymore. If people like myself who have spent lots of money on Magic over the years barely buy any cards at all now. Wizards should be very concerned. I also feel with the focus on commander they hurt themselves a lot. They had a great model with standard the rotation kept players buying new cards every few months. The cards were much more balanced as well. More and more in the last few years, I have considered selling my entire collection and leaving the game. I am waiting to see what they unban with the commander format under their control now. If they unban Jewel Lotus and Mana Crypt, I will be selling my collection because that is a massive red flag that all they care about is profit and not the health of the format. Commander has been the only format I have played for years so if they ruin it then I have no reason to play the game at all anymore.
I seriously hope they don't mess up next year's Tarkir set. I first started playing when the Tarkir block was released, so cards and characters from that block have always had a special place in my heart.
Be prepared, even tho they have a coloring book to color inside the lines in.. you can bet your ass they are gunna color outside those lines and absolutely tarnish our beloved memories.
Maybe it’s time we buy shares of hasbro shares instead of magic cards. Find some of the biggest names in magic like the professor, the Moxman and of course the historian, among others who could become the voice of the people. Let’s face it. We can all agree on a few key things, higher quality product and less frequent drops of product.
Honestly if the entire magic player base managed to buy even just a handful of shares per person, and we were to choose a colected representation to sit on the board and speak for us we would probably be able to buy enough of the company that we would be able to directly affect its decisions moving forward.
Too many sets per year. Not enough time to fully absorb, enjoy, appreciate, experiment... and then there's the modern world destroying itself with social media, over-connectivity, mass-loneliness and a generation or 2 that have become absolutely dependent physically and mentally on their cell phones... world in decline... I still love the game of Magic and I'm glad that my being able to play the game with the existing cards I have has not and cannot be destroyed.
Yea. I use too buy booster boxes or draft boosters. Now it’s singles. Only because the costs are going up and up and less and less none commander specific cards
I stopped buying magic sometime after March of the Machine. I do not have the budget to keep up. I make decent money and I'm financially stable. But theres not a chance I can afford magic anymore
Ironically MTG has the same issue that Yu-Gi-Oh! had with powercreep and ever increasing complexity. The new and returning players cannot keep up with new things and old players leave due to being unhappy with the changes. In case of Yu-Gi-Oh! they kinda sorta found an answer, at least in Japan - they just released new game called Yu-Gi-Oh! Rush Duels that is easier, more new player friendly but also much more flashy and "cool". This new game now has five year and is doing pretty well, slowly catching up with original Yu-Gi-Oh! Also I suspect that Bloomburrow's success partially is result of being detached from usual American sociopolitical undertones that are forced in every piece media nowadays. I'm curious when corporates will finally realize that rainbow capitalism is out of fashion.
@@ArenaRat-xd8fu I’m going to make a video showing my by lists, store credit and purchase, those piles of Pokémon box and old school charizards looks sweet!
@@ArenaRat-xd8fu wasted? It’s WOTC that is wasting it, pokemon holds value, sealed goes up like crazy, did you know there are boxes of Pokémon that are less than 5 years old that sold for $100 at retail and are now selling for over $3000? Hell evolving skies from 2 years ago another $100 box is $800+ each… Magic has nothing like that
Will never happen, the reserve list is becoming less relevant year after year. Only a few cards from it are actually useable. Theres a chance that if mtg is tanking heavily in a few years they may do it to squeeze the last few drops of blood from it, but they will open themselves up to legal action that will gut any remaining company value.
@grinja73 lol legal action. They never signed a contract. You can't sue Ford for bringing out the Bronco after they said they canceled the bronco and wouldn't make any more. Also they may not have a choice. MtG is the original loot box, and the reserve list artificially inflates market value. Any time European regulators can come crashing down and force them to remove the list.
@cdean107 Mana Crypt makes colorless. PAin moxen would make colored Mana for life loss or come into play tapped unless you paid 2 life...similar to how they did the lands to replace dual lands.
I would not be surprised if they decide print another stupid asf product like the LOTR set into Modern, I have already sold some of my collection off they do that to the only format I still get to play I am quitting altogether, selling all my reserved list everything WOTC keeps making older players like myself more and more pissed
WoTC used to be quality over quantity... now its quite obvious its quantity over quality. We can thank social media platforms for pushing consumerism in basically every realm, not just magic.
im done with magic. im not even sure why your channel popped up, i unfollowed every channel. not because you aren't entertaining, but Hasbro doesn't care about collector and or players. on avg i would spend about 800-1000 a month on cards. now all that's stuff is in my attic waiting for my kids to open up in 30 years when these cards are like 5 cents each.
It will still suggest mtg related videos to you for awhile even if you stopped following all mtg channels. After a while of not clicking on anything mtg related youtube will stop showing you mtg channels
I'm pretty sure that WOTC will be fine if they just continue to pump out releases with absolutely no chill in between. Everybody knows that Magic players are rich af, and that they only live to consume Magic products anyways!
Have an alt' game folks; Commander is the "Magic" of my Pokemon, Digimon, and Yugioh groups but their base games are still the primary firmly beyond it. Wizards (read as Hasbro/Wizards) is gonna burn this f***er down before the end.
IIRC even Konmai did something with their banlists. Sometimes it was Clodsire levels of useless, but we _did_ see crucifixion lists and the sort. Although they _did_ drag their feet with Crystron Halqifibrax...
I gave up on Magic around 2020. It's impossible to keep up with the releases, the powercreep is absurd and unpredictable and the endless number of commanders is incomprehensible to the point that it's difficult to play with people you don't know. This is on top of quality problems, price increases, etc... And recently the final straw for me was stopping supporting MTG in PT-BR, which is ending the flow of new players.
We are definitely hurtling towards terminal brand pollution at a breakneck pace. At least when they introduce the Infinity Stones with the marvel set it’ll technically make sense why everyone has a set. Magic is specifically a multiverse, while a set of infinity stones exists for each individual universe, as demonstrated by the Council of Reeds
Wait, wait, wait…. Did you say Furbies?! Those demonic Chinese spy toys are back? Well the new Marvel IP is going to bring them a fat chunk of cash. They need to go back to 3-4 sets a year and if they want to do extra stuff, sell it as a SL.
Did they double count Bloomburrow??! I thought, during their last earnings call, they had done some accounting shenanigans to count it's sales to distribution last quarter.
Also missing another compounding factor, there have been several large acale layoffs in the tech sector, which I'm willing to bet has a large overlap with the MTG customer base
the younger generation would rather spend 3 bucks on the proxy card they need, rather then pay a game shop 20 bucks for the real card. The only way Wizards of the Coast can stop the counterfeits, is going full digital. If MTG totally crashes... they gave it one helluva run.
Why would i want to intro people into the game. When the game is pretty bad shape. Problems i see. Cards are poor quality Cards have way to much text. Cards are too strong. Hasbro does not have other products they can sell. Resale market is dead. Therefore packs are not worth $5. Why are there dozens of cards that make tokens.
"There is a little bit of hope" No there isn't. This universes beyond shit has gone far enough, let the game die with what microscopic level of dignity it has left.
I will not be buying marvel or final fantasy, getting fed up with magic the gathering’s identity becoming diluted. Next we’re going to start getting my little pony and skibiddi toilet sets.
They already did two MLP secret lairs. Unless you meant full sets like with LotR. They _do_ need to go back to Magic: The Gathering instead of Universes Beyond: The Dilution though.
It's almost like trying to double your profit every couple of years instead of focusing on providing what people actually want and are interested in is a bad idea in the long term 🤔
I genuinely did not like bloomburrow. Seemed like a very weird, furry, nursey book set that wasn’t mtg. The art is extremely childish and not what i expect in an adult card game; there’s Pokemon already where that art fits well…..not in mtg. Duskmourn was way better of a magic set, but ultimately id like them to stick with more oldschool mtg vibes and artwork
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4 sets a year is the schedule MTG needs to go back to. This current barrage of product is exhausting.
Even back then many of us thought 3 months between sets was too fast.
We were so innocent back then 😂
I'd be happy with 3 sets a year. The current pace is indeed exhausting. Our mtg group barely sunk our teeth into Bloomburrow and they were already shoving duskmourn down our throats. Agony.
I'd be comfy with one set a year. I might even have time to learn the cards.
This is one of the reasons that they have nearly driven me from the game completely. As someone who has played for over 20 years now.
The myth of eternal growth will be the end of civilization one day. Imagine making millions and saying "but we need more" forever
Billions* Hasbro has a market cap of over 9 billion.
Eternal growth sounds like cancer
You hit the nail on the head. This is called corporatism, and it is cancer.
I've always thought this way since my first job as a teenager. All the management talking about we have to grow and sell even more and it never made any sense given finite customers and capital
Well we do call ourselves "consumers" we don't buy, shop, engage or use we CONSUME. And we willingly label ourselves that. We are never satiated, there is no goal, no endgame, its consumption for consumption's sake. The fact that growth is a metric is completely insane and no one seems to notice. We grow and consume - there can only be one outcome and its already on the horizon.
I stopped collecting Commander decks because it went from 4 a year to 25+ decks a year. On top of that the powercreep has gotten crazy and you need an encylopaedic knowledge to keep up with all the mechanics and tokens coming out every set.
I am just tired of trying to keep up.
I don't even bother reading most of the cards that come out. Each one has a fucking essay you have to read. Also like 90% of these cards are just convoluted fucking nonsense that's meant to do some janky bullshit in commander. Commanders popularity is a major factor in why MTG cards have some stupid fucking janky mechanic.
and the bans...
Same 4 me got in year before change and when they changed the amount I stated I'd still only get 1 a year 3 years later I still hadn't bought a cmdr deck
I gave up chasing sets years ago. Just buy singles or proxy what you want.
@@diegorezi5760 I think the bans was better for new and real causal players. I see a lot of happy people. LGS only use 2 skill brackets when’s there’s more
Profits down? Time to increase box price and release a premium set. Then we will get an ultra collector booster with even more alt art foils
Time to make the chase cards not Mythics, but Epic Ultras, that are 10x rarer than Mythics, but contain 80% of the cards you want to play with.
That curl when air touches them. 🫤For real, how did they manage to make cards allergic to the air?
@@theunfortunatecollector115 Cheaping out on the amount of certain chemicals used in foil treatments. Stuff that prevents humidity from seeping past the surface layer.
Another Chris The Cock squeezing of the orange move, in other words.
When that guy dies, Atem is going to send his soul to the Shadow Realm, as a professional courtesy shown The Maker, Richard Garfield.
What’s going to happen to The Traitor MaRo is best left unsaid.
It is astonishing that WotC has to keep the toy giant Hasbro profitable.
😢
It's the same with Marvel Studios and Disney. MS makes all the money and Disney blows it on DEI bull. It's part of the reason Ryan Reynolds is talking about walking out. As much of a Marvel fanboy that I am, if Ryan walks so does my money from any other Disney involved project.
Pray that disney doesnt buy wokes of the coast
You know what really soured me on current Magic? I was really into Bloomburrow and felt like I barely got to enjoy it before duskmourn came down the pike
And this is not new? But i haven't liked a set that much in a long time!
It’s basically the equivalent of you just got a new bike and the kid down the street got a newer bike that has a whistle on it, makes your bike not seem so great anymore
Current standard is pretty good though... Bloomburrow was a great set, and because it's typal and Duskmourn isn't, people are going to be playing rats and bats and lizards for a long time to come; I mean, I'll keep playing soldiers until Brothers War rotates out. Totally feel you though, I'm still super-hyped for Bloomburrow... and it's done now.
No one made you stop enjoying bloomburrow. Thats a bizarre thing to say. I still enjoy urzas saga and that happen 25 years ago. Take control man, jesus.
You made the mistake of thinking your supposed to collect it all. Your not.
Buy the garbage, eat the garbage!!
Garbage IN, Worse Garbage Out!
Unless you're a vulture/buzzard, which as far as i know we humans are not.
@@aceundead4750 many magic players ARE tho!
They are killing the golden goose for short term money. Writing has been on the walls for years.
At the rate they’re going, I wouldn’t be surprised if they did a Call of Duty secret lair.
With micro transactions required to open the loot boxes, err packs.
Oh it will come, all too soon I'm afraid. Didn't they literally do Fortnite already?
I dont think Activision wants that negative publicity lmfao
Can already see it now. There'll make an instant named "No Scope" (B)(C) Destroy target non-flying creature.
@@aceundead4750I thought negative publicity was their thing?
About the layoffs, I was just reading this article about this Hasbro employee who worked there for 25 years, and was just laid off with those other 100 people. Sad
John Warden was one of the best men in the company focusing on the transformers brand.
There is no magic left in Magic: The Gathering.
But there's plenty of sorcery in Sorcery!
My derpass just wants more wolves :D
I sold my mtg collection to play sorcery and haven't regretted a thing.
As long as they keep doing stupid gimmicks like marvel heros i'm sure fanboys will keep them afloat. just glad to have been part of the glory days of the 90s. its never going back to that.
The average MTG plays 1-2 years in constructed formats. UB sets are made to bring in people to sell sets and not for the long term. the MTG community believes that Commander will carry the company and it will not. WOTC has done e permanent damage to the game.
Even that might not be enough. How is Marvel doing?
@@ubernerrd Fairly well from what i've heard and yeah you could be right man. Hasbro is one fuck up after another, there is no way it will last forever.
@@MrMarvelMike i had no idea commander was even still popular xD Good stuff man.
Love Marvel,but this ish is wrong. They need to back to what MTG was. Make books,make cubes,stop pushing sooooo much products
Wotc is trying so hard to chase new players while telling older players, what we're doing is not for you, which seems crazy because the legacy of magic is the one big advantage it has. Pokemon and Lorcana are two of the biggest IPs in the world, One Piece appeals to fans, magic will never compete in the new player market like other games, so why not try to make things that appeal to an already established player base. People get people into magic, it's how it's always been, I just feel like they lost their direction on how to capitalize on that.
Because that would make sense and would lead to long term sustainably and steady profits.
Hasbro is burning the bridge in an attempt to grab as much cash as possible while they are still running across that same bridge.
@@SinfulTitanthey are so concerned with long-term health. Being sarcastic, I'm so over being upset and caring about MTG. I think minus the built decks I have I'm selling/giving away the rest of my cards and not buying more... f-em
You must be unaware of BRIDGE
@@shmerelize Ha, yes? What is bridge?
@@shmerelize bridge?
Ah jeez dude what could've happened to G.I. JOE?
Oh wait, they hired someone who hates the military to write their comics...
There hasn't been a GI Joe cartoon since 2011, My Little Pony and Transformers are the only two toy brands they own that people actually care about.
I know this is dumb, but your big smiling “GREETINGS OWNERS OF FINE LUXURY CARDBOARD RECTANGLES” makes me smile every time. Please never change. : )
That is not dumb my man, I am glad that you enjoy my intro. Thanks for taking the time to let me know, it's always nice to hear
@@TheMagicHistorian I agree with Elinov. It's awesome and hilarious, especially in a context like this.
Honestly, with the accelerated rate of product - this is a downward spiral. I think there's no point in buying any new product, unless your like the art.
I have a fear that WOTC will see Bloomburrow’s success attributed to those cutsy animals and we will be getting more Pokémon-ish stuff like that dumb Loot character from Thunder Junction… :(
"Loot, the Key to Everything? More like Loot, the Key to Squeezing Profits out of Unsuspecting Customers 🤑" ~ A certain toy company, probably
I truthfully have never seen the appeal to bloomburrow. I thought it was a huge meh set with furies
Due to the constant products every month and all the variants I have stopped buying products. I'm over it and just can't keep up .
Haven't bought a shit ass magic product in 6 years and am proud of that fact. When they start printing real magic cards again and show thay care, ill start buying again.
I actually walked into a game store looking to get back into magic this summer. And even the shop owner couldnt give me a good, concise answer in terms of which booster box i should get. I walked back out empty handed. Time to move on
And also for all the greedy bullshit they've been doing for the last 5 years.
They are burning through the game faster and faster. They know this is unsustainable and they try to cash out as fast as they can before the ship sinks.
It's gonna go even worse when they decide paper is too expensive and they try to make MTG fully digital.
I don't play digital Magic. I play physical magic like we did in '98. And they just announced they're all in on digital.
So I'm genuinely concerned.
print proxies and profit
I think by all in they mean they're going to add every card to the digital library and add commander/multi-player. That's definitely going to be a huge undertaking. I truly doubt physical cards are going anywhere, digital is just what we use when we can't get our in-person fix 😅
Cube will outlive Magic.
digital game wise for mtg the game that was out before mtg arena was considered good and no not mtgo. of course arena comes out and the other is impossible to get now
I love the analogy of smacking the goose against a wall to get more eggs. That’s spot on 😅 it also makes me think of Zoolander. “The money is in WOTC!” And they start smashing everything to get to the money.
Magic growth has stagnated as their core market of dedicated customers has continued to become disenfranchised and the churn is offsetting the newer, less dedicated customers being onboarded.
The game isn't even much of a game anymore. If you can build up a board state and have counter play, but the opponent wins from one card, it's not a game. And the universes beyond stuff is beyond stupid
This is Billy. I told Grandma she doesn’t have to buy me anymore Morgic: the Gimling.
Thunder junction what's yo function . . .
leave this plane of existence
XD
How do they keep fucking up a good thing? Magic was a money printing machine.
Mtg hasn't been a good thing in a very long time. Like we can start counting by decades at this point.
@ArenaRat-xd8fu angering the customer as in offering overpriced garbage is doing well? Weird way to measure things a company does as good.
I don’t mind UB if it fits with the theme of Magic. DnD and LotR were perfect. Godzilla - sure there’s always been huge monsters. Clue, Assassin’s Creed, or Marvel are turnoffs. That’s not Magic.
The sets from Magics early days are begging to be revisted -- And Im not talking about Ravnica or Mirrodin
Magic itself will make profits if hasbro stops pressuringbeverone to make money. We can't even enjoy the game.
They beat this game into the ground and chassed a format so hard that they gave the middle finger to every other format for the past 7 years that they friggen deserve what they reap. F them. They minus well just rebrand the company to Commander of the Coast.
I don't even play modern but the situation around the One Ring is ridiculous. Also the whole MH3 "we can't print modern decks because they'd be too expensive so here's some 'premium' commander decks that aren't modern legal teehee" was a huge laugh. Don't even get me started on standard.
They butchered that format. They don’t care.
Shoot man, I'm a commander player and when they have the commander players complaining that they're ruining the game by not focusing on standard and modern and some of the other newish formats, you know you done f*cked up. Take care of standard and the trickle down effect will take care of every other format.
Standard will never be the mountain it once was, it'll take years of hard core support and trying to bring the players back and building trust with the LGS's again. I really think they burned that bridge.
@@blacktiger0095Facts!
Those who remain will be squeezed. And then squeezed some more.
I've been playing Magic for 28 years. I stopped buying Magic cards when Strixhaven came out. I've switched to Sorcery Contested Realm; infinitely better game. Only Magic I play these days is Old School 93/94.
Same, been playing sorcery since last year's beta release. Sold my mtg commander decks and later my whole collection. Never looked back.
so from what i understand, were going to get 12 expansions a year, 3 core sets and 52 secret lairs?
i like how bauldrs gate 3 "shakes up the industry" by doing something thaf used to be an industry standard.
Wotc just sold its soul to Universe Beyond. The franchise is dead to me. If they close up shop today, I'll not cry a tear for them
Entirely too *optimistic* sir. I 100% believe in the ability of WotC to FUBAR a _Final Fantasy_ -based set.
#dontTrustWotC
It makes me wonder how long that pace can keep, even now they lose parts all along the way and their wagon is tilting sideways more than it keeps straight. No good business model to just keep pushing harder at the customers to pay more for less quality.
Thats worrisome because we will be the victims of their next quarter 😅
We aren't hostages bro, just dont buy their products until they make better choices
Only if your tarded enough to keep buying the shit they are shoveling down your throat.
Have some self respect and dont spend money on a company that clearly doesnt care about you, otherwise your just in an abusive relationship.
"That being successful is gonna essentially lead to more bad times for magic" Lol, so casual, so true.
I really liked most of Duskmourn. I felt like the anesthetic of the set was going back to an older concept outside the retro 80s stuff. I think if they left that out and stuck with an outright horror theme, it would be just as successful as Bloomburrow.
Yeah I couldn't keep up with the spoilers, too busy with bloomburrow. Was hoping for just horrors theme instead of 'haunted TV'🙄
Ok but no werewolves bruh :(
The commander bans and new sets (and reprints) every other month really killed the value of the cards. There is almost no reason not to just print proxies now (the knock offs are also better quality!). I was spending a ton of money on MTG, but now I'm spending a single penny anymore on cards. They need to treat this game as a CCG and not a deck building game if they want to make a profit.
I agree with the take on small kids and technology. Like I get it: at a certain age you will start to enjoy video games more, but when I see very small kids, 4 or 5 years old, play on a tablet... yeah idk. That is the time to run around looking for a particularly nice stick, or play board games with your parents, who let you win while pretending they dont.
Another issue, is with all the variety of different artworks per card they have to be paying a lot of artist a lot of money. To make Magic profitable, they need to reduce the number of releases each year and the number of different arts per card in each set. Honestly, I don't even look at spoilers anymore becuase every day there is a "new" Magic card announced. There was a time I knew most Magic cards that existed now if it has been printed since they left the 4 sets per year I have no idea. I have given up trying to keep up with all the releases. Now and then, I will look but typically well after the entire set is spoiled/out.
I went from 16 commander decks to 4 now. Once in the last year, I bought singles. I haven't bought any sealed product since the first commander masters set. I rarely play anymore. If people like myself who have spent lots of money on Magic over the years barely buy any cards at all now. Wizards should be very concerned.
I also feel with the focus on commander they hurt themselves a lot. They had a great model with standard the rotation kept players buying new cards every few months. The cards were much more balanced as well. More and more in the last few years, I have considered selling my entire collection and leaving the game. I am waiting to see what they unban with the commander format under their control now. If they unban Jewel Lotus and Mana Crypt, I will be selling my collection because that is a massive red flag that all they care about is profit and not the health of the format. Commander has been the only format I have played for years so if they ruin it then I have no reason to play the game at all anymore.
MTG is probably the only thing, keeping Hasbro alive
I seriously hope they don't mess up next year's Tarkir set. I first started playing when the Tarkir block was released, so cards and characters from that block have always had a special place in my heart.
Be prepared, even tho they have a coloring book to color inside the lines in.. you can bet your ass they are gunna color outside those lines and absolutely tarnish our beloved memories.
Wotc just out priced the youth out of magic
Its been nearly 30 years, MTG had a good run
If wizards just don't worry about the secondary market when it comes to their products they could make alot of money.
That’s the problem. They’re obsessed with the secondary market. They know if anything reaches a threshold. They’ll “reprint it”.
Maybe it’s time we buy shares of hasbro shares instead of magic cards. Find some of the biggest names in magic like the professor, the Moxman and of course the historian, among others who could become the voice of the people. Let’s face it. We can all agree on a few key things, higher quality product and less frequent drops of product.
Honestly if the entire magic player base managed to buy even just a handful of shares per person, and we were to choose a colected representation to sit on the board and speak for us we would probably be able to buy enough of the company that we would be able to directly affect its decisions moving forward.
"More traditional Magic"???? Let's go full tilt stupid superhero tie-in... ugh...
It's actually crazy that mtg is even up from last year with LOTR...
its a miracle this thing hasn't sunk yet....thanks alot pay pigs....
Too many sets per year. Not enough time to fully absorb, enjoy, appreciate, experiment... and then there's the modern world destroying itself with social media, over-connectivity, mass-loneliness and a generation or 2 that have become absolutely dependent physically and mentally on their cell phones... world in decline... I still love the game of Magic and I'm glad that my being able to play the game with the existing cards I have has not and cannot be destroyed.
3% increase is basically nothing when you consider inflation.
Any increase is basically unbearable when you consider inflation.
I haven’t bought any sealed product this whole year and don’t plan to next year
I stopped buying a lot of magic outright.
Yea. I use too buy booster boxes or draft boosters. Now it’s singles. Only because the costs are going up and up and less and less none commander specific cards
I stopped buying magic sometime after March of the Machine. I do not have the budget to keep up. I make decent money and I'm financially stable. But theres not a chance I can afford magic anymore
Is there a world where hasbro goes bankrupt and wizards ends up becoming a standalone entity?
No. When the end comes Hasbro will have to sell it in whatever terrible gutted form it is in. I expect all those people to lose their jobs as well.
The black knight flavor text says it best
Duskbourn is so overpowered, it isn't fun. it just breaks everything in a bad way.
Ironically MTG has the same issue that Yu-Gi-Oh! had with powercreep and ever increasing complexity. The new and returning players cannot keep up with new things and old players leave due to being unhappy with the changes.
In case of Yu-Gi-Oh! they kinda sorta found an answer, at least in Japan - they just released new game called Yu-Gi-Oh! Rush Duels that is easier, more new player friendly but also much more flashy and "cool". This new game now has five year and is doing pretty well, slowly catching up with original Yu-Gi-Oh!
Also I suspect that Bloomburrow's success partially is result of being detached from usual American sociopolitical undertones that are forced in every piece media nowadays. I'm curious when corporates will finally realize that rainbow capitalism is out of fashion.
I am taking a 5 year break from Magic. I want the game to level out and the market to level out. Its too volatile for my money.
I literally just traded $20000 worth of MTG for Pokemon, Im out, I don't play pokemon, but Pokemon doesn't drive their cards to zero for ya...
@@ArenaRat-xd8fu I’m going to make a video showing my by lists, store credit and purchase, those piles of Pokémon box and old school charizards looks sweet!
@@ArenaRat-xd8fu wasted? It’s WOTC that is wasting it, pokemon holds value, sealed goes up like crazy, did you know there are boxes of Pokémon that are less than 5 years old that sold for $100 at retail and are now selling for over $3000? Hell evolving skies from 2 years ago another $100 box is $800+ each… Magic has nothing like that
@@ArenaRat-xd8fu ok dude, you clearly have no idea what the hell your talking about, bye bye
@@ArenaRat-xd8fu I’m talking to one Cleary
Once they get rid of the reserve list they will get their profits back up.
Won't be long now, somebody go tell mox man so he can STFU about his pweshius weserv wist...
Will never happen, the reserve list is becoming less relevant year after year. Only a few cards from it are actually useable. Theres a chance that if mtg is tanking heavily in a few years they may do it to squeeze the last few drops of blood from it, but they will open themselves up to legal action that will gut any remaining company value.
@grinja73 lol legal action. They never signed a contract. You can't sue Ford for bringing out the Bronco after they said they canceled the bronco and wouldn't make any more.
Also they may not have a choice. MtG is the original loot box, and the reserve list artificially inflates market value. Any time European regulators can come crashing down and force them to remove the list.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer company…
D&D also wasn't laiden down by DEI and WOKE culture....not just micro transactions....Enjoy your scars in Dragon Age....ugh
DND didn't get dragged down by dei in the past, but boy howdy take a look at em now! Full on sellout mode.
For power creep WOTC can make Green, Blue, Grey, Purple etc Lotus. Maybe some pain moxen.
Pain mox's would be kinda lit.
There is a pain mox....it's called Mana crypt and they just banned it in the format using it soooo
@cdean107 Mana Crypt makes colorless. PAin moxen would make colored Mana for life loss or come into play tapped unless you paid 2 life...similar to how they did the lands to replace dual lands.
I would not be surprised if they decide print another stupid asf product like the LOTR set into Modern, I have already sold some of my collection off they do that to the only format I still get to play I am quitting altogether, selling all my reserved list everything WOTC keeps making older players like myself more and more pissed
WoTC used to be quality over quantity... now its quite obvious its quantity over quality. We can thank social media platforms for pushing consumerism in basically every realm, not just magic.
It’s almost like sacrificing longevity for short term profits didn’t actually “pay off” in the long run.
im done with magic. im not even sure why your channel popped up, i unfollowed every channel. not because you aren't entertaining, but Hasbro doesn't care about collector and or players. on avg i would spend about 800-1000 a month on cards. now all that's stuff is in my attic waiting for my kids to open up in 30 years when these cards are like 5 cents each.
It will still suggest mtg related videos to you for awhile even if you stopped following all mtg channels. After a while of not clicking on anything mtg related youtube will stop showing you mtg channels
I'm pretty sure that WOTC will be fine if they just continue to pump out releases with absolutely no chill in between. Everybody knows that Magic players are rich af, and that they only live to consume Magic products anyways!
CONSUME ...Mmmmmm 🤘🦁🤘
Have an alt' game folks; Commander is the "Magic" of my Pokemon, Digimon, and Yugioh groups but their base games are still the primary firmly beyond it. Wizards (read as Hasbro/Wizards) is gonna burn this f***er down before the end.
20:00 2026 will be Star Wars. They already have relationship with Disney. And Disney needs the $ too
Magic: the "yugiohing"
IIRC even Konmai did something with their banlists. Sometimes it was Clodsire levels of useless, but we _did_ see crucifixion lists and the sort.
Although they _did_ drag their feet with Crystron Halqifibrax...
Don't compare the two. Yugioh actually makes Konami money
fyi, all coins are double-sided
I gave up on Magic around 2020.
It's impossible to keep up with the releases, the powercreep is absurd and unpredictable and the endless number of commanders is incomprehensible to the point that it's difficult to play with people you don't know.
This is on top of quality problems, price increases, etc... And recently the final straw for me was stopping supporting MTG in PT-BR, which is ending the flow of new players.
We are definitely hurtling towards terminal brand pollution at a breakneck pace. At least when they introduce the Infinity Stones with the marvel set it’ll technically make sense why everyone has a set. Magic is specifically a multiverse, while a set of infinity stones exists for each individual universe, as demonstrated by the Council of Reeds
Remember when standard had a 3 set block.
No more secret leads for me, after the Monty python debacle
I'll just go ahead and charge us more and more and before long we'll stop buying
But isn't MTG up 5%? It's like the only good thing going at Hasbro.
I'm surprised that they haven't bought/announced a "Game of Thrones" set. Seems a perfect fit for MTG and will keep us purists happy 😊
Wait, wait, wait…. Did you say Furbies?! Those demonic Chinese spy toys are back?
Well the new Marvel IP is going to bring them a fat chunk of cash. They need to go back to 3-4 sets a year and if they want to do extra stuff, sell it as a SL.
Did they double count Bloomburrow??! I thought, during their last earnings call, they had done some accounting shenanigans to count it's sales to distribution last quarter.
Hasbro having a hard time-aw so sad waaahh! 🙃🤣 They don't care about me, I don't care about them.
Also missing another compounding factor, there have been several large acale layoffs in the tech sector, which I'm willing to bet has a large overlap with the MTG customer base
the younger generation would rather spend 3 bucks on the proxy card they need, rather then pay a game shop 20 bucks for the real card. The only way Wizards of the Coast can stop the counterfeits, is going full digital. If MTG totally crashes... they gave it one helluva run.
Why would i want to intro people into the game. When the game is pretty bad shape.
Problems i see.
Cards are poor quality
Cards have way to much text.
Cards are too strong.
Hasbro does not have other products they can sell.
Resale market is dead. Therefore packs are not worth $5.
Why are there dozens of cards that make tokens.
"There is a little bit of hope"
No there isn't. This universes beyond shit has gone far enough, let the game die with what microscopic level of dignity it has left.
I will not be buying marvel or final fantasy, getting fed up with magic the gathering’s identity becoming diluted. Next we’re going to start getting my little pony and skibiddi toilet sets.
I'd buy so much skibidi sl omg
They already did two MLP secret lairs.
Unless you meant full sets like with LotR.
They _do_ need to go back to Magic: The Gathering instead of Universes Beyond: The Dilution though.
It's almost like trying to double your profit every couple of years instead of focusing on providing what people actually want and are interested in is a bad idea in the long term 🤔
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor feels like you could reintroduce the Daybound mechanic with creatures.
Welp, get ready for Blacker Lotus next quarter.
#unbanmanacrypt and I stopped buying sealed product after the banns
I genuinely did not like bloomburrow. Seemed like a very weird, furry, nursey book set that wasn’t mtg.
The art is extremely childish and not what i expect in an adult card game; there’s Pokemon already where that art fits well…..not in mtg.
Duskmourn was way better of a magic set, but ultimately id like them to stick with more oldschool mtg vibes and artwork
We are watching hasbro die....unfortunately wotc is gettint caught up in the wake.
Reminds me of wizkids, paid a bunch of money for ip licenses to do crossovers and then they went out of business
What happened to Bloomburrow being a disaster?