I think people resorting to ai art should know: you're allowed to do bad art. Like, genuinely, shitty art is infinitely more charming to me than ai art
but I can't draw a "photorealistic sparrow with very hairy human legs sitting on a branch, legs dangling off" for me to giggle at in 30 seconds, I think it's an acceptable use of ai
@jharuldsmythe I can draw a bit, but I can't draw a photorealistic sparrow in 30 seconds, much less one with hairy human legs. Nor would I want to waste my efforts on editing an image I simply want to giggle at once.
I understand and agree with the argument, but if I want to see a chihuahua with a blindfold on unicycle, I'm gonna have AI whip something up. I'm not gonna spend an hour editing something, and I'm not gonna pay either a 3D or 2D artist to model/draw a photorealistic chihuahua for a throwaway idea.
I know the Album Cover example was just used for showing why someone might use AI art, but just the idea that someone would use AI for an Album Cover is so crazy to me. Album Covers are just... anything. They don't even have to be art in the traditional sense, you can frame together some stuff and take a picture. Or do a collage. Things that literally anyone can do, especially someone on the creative side, which encapsulates the same people who would make an album.
if the artist doesn't have a strong enough creative vision to come up with an album cover to synergize with the music then i feel it's probably not worth listening to
If an artist didn't even put in the time to make any sort of thing with the album cover, why would I think they put any sort effort into the music it's representing
My AI take is that its bad because it takes the experience out of whatever you use it for. Experience that shapes HOW you think about what you want to do. You won't get that retrospective "Oh, after doing this once, I know how I could do it better". I see it all the time when trying to teach people how to code. AI generated code is messy, over complicated, and never worth the time someone spent to generate. And every time I try to ask people about said code, time and time again, I hear the same thing: "Oh, I just got it from chat GPT, so I dunno". End of conversation. No Retrospective. No learning.
If I need to have it spit out API calls it's kinda nice, don't wanna read docs sometimes. Or quick help when I need a one time json parser and know the python way to do it and old JS but not the ES6 way
I wasn't expecting this video to just be Jacob and Koro discussing art stuff with the actual drawings feeling more like a side thing, but honestly, I'm all here for it. It gives cozy vibes :3
I really appreciate the perspective on AI art by a professional artist here. When gen AI first started to appear, I was optimistic. As a programmer, I saw the value in how it could allow more people to create more complex and interesting things with the help of it as a tool, such as a programmer being able to bring a game idea to life when they otherwise wouldn't have the art or musical skills to do so. However, my perspective has changed pretty dramatically over the last year or so. Hearing the opinions of so many artists feeling as if their years and years of practice and mastery of their craft being cheaply replicated and de-valued as a result of these algorithms is genuinely heartbreaking to see, and taking jobs away from these talented and creative people in favor of machines that cannot truly innovate is not beneficial for humanity. Every piece of media I see now has an asterisk attached to it that it might be a lazily created piece of AI slop, and it detracts from the accomplishments of the people who put in the time and effort to learn these skills and discover new ways to apply them. While I do truly think some fantastic things could come from AI overall (medical applications, document processing, etc), the downsides of AI are heavily outweighing them so far, and we really need some form of authority to step in and get a handle on it. The capitalist nature of our world means that AI will undoubtedly continue to be exploited for profit at the cost of the humans that should be the bottom line of anything we do as a society. For all of you artists out there, I truly hope it gets better for you. You deserve better, and your skills should be valued for what you contribute to the media landscape.
gonna add another bit of advice for people starting out in art: references are your friend! they're super helpful! i used to see posts, especially when i was younger, that references were "cheating" but they are genuinely a vital part of the process. personally i rely on them pretty heavily because i can't actually visualize things. but i'm still an artist because i love art and creating, even if that may make it trickier for me! i know of several other artists who also have aphantasia, i guess there's a stubbornness to us in being creatives and having ideas we want to see and if we can't make it in our minds, we'll draw it. at least that's how it is for me, heh.
btw if aren't already aware pureref is an amazing program for looking/saving references. Found out about it from RubberRoss genuinely one of my fav programs because it's also just a nice one to look at images in general lol
i've been debating giving up art because of comparing myself on "where i should be" rather than appreciating where im at. the conversation you guys had around 13:18 really made my day and helped me drop the idea of giving up :)
So, I should note, the stigma against tracing seems extra weird to me, because people learn to play music the exact same way, but nobody cares if you go up on stage and play somebody else's song unless it's something more obscure and you just don't credit the original performer. Think of tracing the same way you think of covering songs and I think your art and your attitude towards art has the potential to increase a lot
I've been drawing since my pudgy little toddler hands could hold a crayon, and tracing is most of my warmups. It builds good muscle memory for anatomy/shapes.
I think most people’s gripe is people tracing and then claiming it was their own original work but ofc not everyone does that and people still get flack. I see your point about music but I feel like when you play music you’re engaging with it in a way you may not while just copying the same line but I’m not sure how else to put this into words. It’s certainly helpful in the same way if you take the time to engage with the original piece though! Like someone else said this can be awesome as a warmup. I personally think trying to recreate it from memory can also be another great exercise afterwards.
Anecdote on AI: The creator of Cryptmaster realized that to have the Cryptmaster, who'd have tons and tons of lines of dialogue, fully voice acted, would cost way more than he could afford on a small indie budget. Instead of resorting to AI, he sat down and did all of the lines himself, despite not being a professional VA. Cryptmaster's dialogue is the highlight of the game, it is written and preformed so well, it's what everyone praises and remembers about the game. But most importantly, I'm sure the creator learned a ton about voice acting by doing this, he gained a new skill that he can apply to future projects. (cryptmaster is really good)
Wow... I really love this video. I'm currently on my social media art journey and no one is seeing my art, so I get so happy just seeing more than 2 views on a post. But yeah, art is DEFINITELY a process. I'm so proud of myself for how far I've come. Thank you so much for this video!
Natural talent is like a floor, where dedicating years if not decades to drawing is the skill ceiling. Anyone can do it, but it would be based on how much you want to progress.
I think, if you can't afford commissions, resorting to Ai art is fine if it's just a personal thing. Like if you want to use it as a wallpaper or even a profile pic or something. But when you create AI art and claim it as your own or sell it online, that's a shitty thing to do. Especially when businesses do it.
I have a question- is it problematic to use AI art as a reference? Like if i want to draw a fighter in a pose that i'm having difficulty finding a reference for, is it appropriate use of ai to generate a fighter in the pose I want to use as a reference for the art that I'm drawing?
6:50 yes, but also don't many AI generative softwares cost also a bunch of money? It feels like walking over a desert for a cup of water situation cuz anything, and I mean ANYTHING, you make regardless of skill level will be better than any AI "artist" garbage because you actually tried. Also it sucks ass because of all the energy it uses, NFT's LEVELS OF ENERGY! I hate generative AI so much
As a writer, AI art is a good way to visualize something without having the ability to actually draw. I don’t think people should be passing it off as real art though. It’s fun to mess around with, but it shouldn’t be treated as real art.
I think people resorting to ai art should know: you're allowed to do bad art. Like, genuinely, shitty art is infinitely more charming to me than ai art
but I can't draw a "photorealistic sparrow with very hairy human legs sitting on a branch, legs dangling off" for me to giggle at in 30 seconds, I think it's an acceptable use of ai
@@酗 brother. that's why you either apply yourself (everyone *can* make art, sometimes it just takes practice) or use photoshop
@jharuldsmythe I can draw a bit, but I can't draw a photorealistic sparrow in 30 seconds, much less one with hairy human legs. Nor would I want to waste my efforts on editing an image I simply want to giggle at once.
I understand and agree with the argument, but if I want to see a chihuahua with a blindfold on unicycle, I'm gonna have AI whip something up. I'm not gonna spend an hour editing something, and I'm not gonna pay either a 3D or 2D artist to model/draw a photorealistic chihuahua for a throwaway idea.
@@酗As you don't claim you made it yourself; live and die for the bit
I know the Album Cover example was just used for showing why someone might use AI art, but just the idea that someone would use AI for an Album Cover is so crazy to me. Album Covers are just... anything. They don't even have to be art in the traditional sense, you can frame together some stuff and take a picture. Or do a collage. Things that literally anyone can do, especially someone on the creative side, which encapsulates the same people who would make an album.
like everyone literally has a phone camera, just take a photo if you really wanna put min effort
if charlie xcx can just write 'brat' for her cover, it shouldn't be that difficult!
if the artist doesn't have a strong enough creative vision to come up with an album cover to synergize with the music then i feel it's probably not worth listening to
If an artist didn't even put in the time to make any sort of thing with the album cover, why would I think they put any sort effort into the music it's representing
My AI take is that its bad because it takes the experience out of whatever you use it for. Experience that shapes HOW you think about what you want to do. You won't get that retrospective "Oh, after doing this once, I know how I could do it better".
I see it all the time when trying to teach people how to code. AI generated code is messy, over complicated, and never worth the time someone spent to generate. And every time I try to ask people about said code, time and time again, I hear the same thing: "Oh, I just got it from chat GPT, so I dunno". End of conversation. No Retrospective. No learning.
If I need to have it spit out API calls it's kinda nice, don't wanna read docs sometimes. Or quick help when I need a one time json parser and know the python way to do it and old JS but not the ES6 way
Love that Jacob asked about Nova’s opinion on AI art, nice to see him being pro artist
I wasn't expecting this video to just be Jacob and Koro discussing art stuff with the actual drawings feeling more like a side thing, but honestly, I'm all here for it. It gives cozy vibes :3
I really appreciate the perspective on AI art by a professional artist here. When gen AI first started to appear, I was optimistic. As a programmer, I saw the value in how it could allow more people to create more complex and interesting things with the help of it as a tool, such as a programmer being able to bring a game idea to life when they otherwise wouldn't have the art or musical skills to do so.
However, my perspective has changed pretty dramatically over the last year or so. Hearing the opinions of so many artists feeling as if their years and years of practice and mastery of their craft being cheaply replicated and de-valued as a result of these algorithms is genuinely heartbreaking to see, and taking jobs away from these talented and creative people in favor of machines that cannot truly innovate is not beneficial for humanity. Every piece of media I see now has an asterisk attached to it that it might be a lazily created piece of AI slop, and it detracts from the accomplishments of the people who put in the time and effort to learn these skills and discover new ways to apply them.
While I do truly think some fantastic things could come from AI overall (medical applications, document processing, etc), the downsides of AI are heavily outweighing them so far, and we really need some form of authority to step in and get a handle on it. The capitalist nature of our world means that AI will undoubtedly continue to be exploited for profit at the cost of the humans that should be the bottom line of anything we do as a society.
For all of you artists out there, I truly hope it gets better for you. You deserve better, and your skills should be valued for what you contribute to the media landscape.
gonna add another bit of advice for people starting out in art: references are your friend! they're super helpful! i used to see posts, especially when i was younger, that references were "cheating" but they are genuinely a vital part of the process. personally i rely on them pretty heavily because i can't actually visualize things. but i'm still an artist because i love art and creating, even if that may make it trickier for me! i know of several other artists who also have aphantasia, i guess there's a stubbornness to us in being creatives and having ideas we want to see and if we can't make it in our minds, we'll draw it. at least that's how it is for me, heh.
btw if aren't already aware pureref is an amazing program for looking/saving references. Found out about it from RubberRoss
genuinely one of my fav programs because it's also just a nice one to look at images in general lol
I’m so happy you guys drew Tifa, genuinely made my night when you took the suggestion
Main Character PRO Artist vs Side Character PRO Artist
Ew
What i have learned from this video is that alpharad's art style is perfect for silly little pictures and animations
i've been debating giving up art because of comparing myself on "where i should be" rather than appreciating where im at. the conversation you guys had around 13:18 really made my day and helped me drop the idea of giving up :)
Might have well as called this Pro Artist vs Pro Artist
4:06 THE CUT TO TINA BLOCKHART I CANT- 😭
“You can see the mistakes in it”
I love these videos! Thank you for making this!
YOOOO CASSIOPEA
Why does Koro sounds like Viktor from Arcane
Casiopea background music huge w today
alpharad vs artist feels like a main channel video
Because that is the title of the main channel video
pro artist vs more of a pro artist
CASIOPEA??
Ahhhh, yeah! Love my boy Koro! Awesome to see your art everytime! 🙏
Jacob, you draw good, too!
If you're trying to learn how to draw:
Stop comparing yourself to others, compare yourself to your past work, and see if you have improved
Yooo based casiopea music
So, I should note, the stigma against tracing seems extra weird to me, because people learn to play music the exact same way, but nobody cares if you go up on stage and play somebody else's song unless it's something more obscure and you just don't credit the original performer. Think of tracing the same way you think of covering songs and I think your art and your attitude towards art has the potential to increase a lot
I've been drawing since my pudgy little toddler hands could hold a crayon, and tracing is most of my warmups. It builds good muscle memory for anatomy/shapes.
I think most people’s gripe is people tracing and then claiming it was their own original work but ofc not everyone does that and people still get flack. I see your point about music but I feel like when you play music you’re engaging with it in a way you may not while just copying the same line but I’m not sure how else to put this into words. It’s certainly helpful in the same way if you take the time to engage with the original piece though! Like someone else said this can be awesome as a warmup. I personally think trying to recreate it from memory can also be another great exercise afterwards.
Anecdote on AI:
The creator of Cryptmaster realized that to have the Cryptmaster, who'd have tons and tons of lines of dialogue, fully voice acted, would cost way more than he could afford on a small indie budget. Instead of resorting to AI, he sat down and did all of the lines himself, despite not being a professional VA. Cryptmaster's dialogue is the highlight of the game, it is written and preformed so well, it's what everyone praises and remembers about the game. But most importantly, I'm sure the creator learned a ton about voice acting by doing this, he gained a new skill that he can apply to future projects.
(cryptmaster is really good)
sweet vid
i like the choices of artistic references by alpha
Yo, we finally get to see the third act
Wow... I really love this video. I'm currently on my social media art journey and no one is seeing my art, so I get so happy just seeing more than 2 views on a post. But yeah, art is DEFINITELY a process. I'm so proud of myself for how far I've come. Thank you so much for this video!
Natural talent is like a floor, where dedicating years if not decades to drawing is the skill ceiling. Anyone can do it, but it would be based on how much you want to progress.
I MISSED THESE VIDS
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard
Casiopiea mention
Based music choice, but won’t Casiopea cause copyright strikes?
I'm a simple girl guy person (maybe human), I see Hatsune Miku, I click
CASIOPIA!!!!!!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
i was not expecting to get jump-scared by casiopea for the intro
I think, if you can't afford commissions, resorting to Ai art is fine if it's just a personal thing. Like if you want to use it as a wallpaper or even a profile pic or something. But when you create AI art and claim it as your own or sell it online, that's a shitty thing to do. Especially when businesses do it.
CASIOPEA MENTIONED
Alpharad’s Sonic is still better than Many Hands’
(That’s an Archie Comics reference, btw)
Man if you only knew that my timestamp is on the other side
the black timestamp in the feed? how did you get it on the left?
@aag2139 My browser language is set to my language which is left to right
@@Nukhebuk never occurred to me they would flip the stamp side in that circumstance! thank you for the info man 👍
Pro Artist vs Another Pro artist guys Im seeing a connection between them
i just watched that vid yesterday and now i get a part 2??!!
Thumbnail is perfect
Love this!
Wow, Casiopea.
It's 2 am rn for me
wooooo i'm sleep deprived
HATSUNE MIKUUUUU!!!!!
I have a question- is it problematic to use AI art as a reference? Like if i want to draw a fighter in a pose that i'm having difficulty finding a reference for, is it appropriate use of ai to generate a fighter in the pose I want to use as a reference for the art that I'm drawing?
Tbh I think that’s ok, as much as I despise ai art only using a pose as a reference isn’t stealing others’ work imo.
6:50 yes, but also don't many AI generative softwares cost also a bunch of money? It feels like walking over a desert for a cup of water situation cuz anything, and I mean ANYTHING, you make regardless of skill level will be better than any AI "artist" garbage because you actually tried.
Also it sucks ass because of all the energy it uses, NFT's LEVELS OF ENERGY! I hate generative AI so much
Which stream was this?
Casiopea goated bg music
I wonder if Jacob played ff7 rebirth. I didn't use Tifa and I wonder how good she is because she's missing some of her strong abilities from remake
Tifa is really strong- she has high attack and is great for building up the stagger percent damage
Pro artist on the left side of the thumbnail btw
I always wanted a sequel of sorts of that old "VS Artist" vid, niceee
ngl i think u should collab with drawfee (again) but just you guys!
Alfarad vs his video thumbnails
Here for miku
love it
imma be 100% i thought Alpha was a genuine artist and had no idea he had THIS true talent
hii
Hi😊
As a writer, AI art is a good way to visualize something without having the ability to actually draw. I don’t think people should be passing it off as real art though. It’s fun to mess around with, but it shouldn’t be treated as real art.
third
yoo Im early
First l, hahaha nah
first reply to first
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