High tech! Future! Next generation vision! But when it breaks down some bloke has to drive from DLR HQ in his Ford Transit to come and fix it... Oh 1980's!
Nice to see the original Island Gardens at the start. Seems strange how the original station seemed so modern back then, but look so dated now. It's also weird seeing the original single car stock, they look so small.
Since trains from what I can tell haven’t run single in over a decade, this probably can’t happen as when a train has two cars only one unit needs to be receiving power to run the entire train. The B90 and B92 trains are also being replaced with a new type that’ll enter service sometime in 2022 where one unit is the length of three coupled together now.
@@QuarioQuario54321 The original P86 trains could not run in multiple ever to the day they left DLR. The later P89's could run as pairs and were the only ones allowed to Bank as the P86 cars also had no fire compliance to go into the tunnel. Brings back memories this video !
@@QuarioQuario54321 Overhead line systems also have unpowered sections, for example to isolate sections supplied by different substations from each other, under low overpasses where not enough clearance can be maintained between the overhead line and the bridge structure, etc. They just aren't as obvious as there's still a (grounded) overhead wire in those sections so that the pantograph can stay up.
I'd like a date with Martin French. No, not Martin French of today; the 1988 vintage Martin French. I'll even buy dinner (if he wears the hat ... lol).
Well I been taught about these safety instructions when I was working for London underground (TfL) how track is powered on and only use lights on inside tunnel for emergency use only and X mean radio / telephone not working. Also wear the correct PPE on site safety including depot , when I was at Ealing common depot, Acton works we had to wear orange HV in case of moving trains ahead and also boots done up properly for safety. I also did a CSA gateline duty for LU at Victoria tube station like 54 or 16 to base are you received over in case barrier is not working we reseted to 95E if broken. When I also worked at East kent railway, Shepherdswell near dover I passed PTS course if qualified to work on the track or on the line also look out for ongoing trains as both directions
Nice to see that although the trains and railway have changed a lot since then, the uniforms remain as spiffy now as back then! Shame about the new liveries though, I prefer the original blue with red stripes...
A fascinating watch, from someone who just about remembers the old P86/89 stock in the 90s. I miss them! How often did this procedure end up happening, both back then and now?
Now it never happens due to all of the trains being 3 units in multiple, (6 cars) which allows at least 1 multiple unit to pick up power to keep the train moving.
I'd have thought that on an automatic railway, it would be possible to ensure that a train never crosses a conductor rail gap at a speed slow enough to let it become stalled.
A: Poor manual driving because of system failure, maintenance, track inspection B: an emergency stop is triggered due to a passenger emergency alarm, on-board system failure (door switch opens), train control system failure, points detected out of position, etc.
So, if the disabled train is stuck in a gap without power, and it was going too slow to coast thru it -- why doesn't the second train also stall out when it pushes the first train out of the gap? It should drive into it at a very slow speed?
holnrew it lost contact with the conductor rail as there aren't any on complicated crossovers I. e here the delta jct. Therefore it is dead and cannot move. Alas it is disabled and has to be assisted
Usually when two trains are coupled it’s long enough to cover the gap, it’s one of the considerations when choosing whether to assist from the front or the back.
Re 'gapping', surely the point of having more than one collector shoe per train is that if one shoe loses contact with the rail at a junction, there will be other shoes still in contact elsewhere on the train. Even with the original single-car trains, I'm surprised the gaps are so long that ALL shoes lose contact simultaneously and the train was expected to coast across.
If this is anything like the underground, I believe this was done on purpose. If a section of conductor rail needs to be switched off in an emergency, the large gap will prevent a train from bridging the 'dead' section and the live section, thus re-energizing the dead section and putting the emergency services in danger.
any easy way to prevent this kind of thing from happening and saving the people on the trains a lot of time is to simple add a 3rd or 4th car to the train, the extra length will allow the train to thru switches or around curves and then get power back every time by looking at the set up of what has been laid out already.
Bright clean passenger transport- proceeds to pan out to zero pantographs, third rail or Canaries. ... I wasn't looking at the world's worst attempt at hiding a death sentence conductor rail.
This is a really sad scenario for any railway: The service breaking down because a train wasn't fast enough and lost contact with the current supply. I wonder if this ever really happened or if it was just their way of not admitting that they expected more frequent technical failures, as it is the case with every new technology. Because if they WERE expecting this to happen, why didn't they try to built junctions with little bits of conductor rail inbetween or use overhead wiring altogether ??
Gapping happens but it’s pretty rare, there are junctions that are too complicated to have smaller sections of conductor rail and it’s usually when something else goes wrong or due to passenger action that a train becomes gapped. It used to happen on other lines with short trains (eg Silverlink with their 3 car trains) but most now have 4/5 car trains or run in multiple configuration which obviates the problem.
@@paulm2467 You're probably right. It just seems to me to be a pretty inefficient system, when those service disruptions are expected right from the start. But that could be just my view. Being a German, I'm used to overhead wiring almost everywhere.
What is the point of purchasing automatic trains if you will have at least one staff member on the train anyway ? Wouldn’t it have been cheaper to purchase non automatic trains ?
You would not reconise any of these locations now so many buildings have gone up since then. We lived in a very differnt world back then none of the health and safety bullshit that we have now. it is my understanding that those cars are now working as trams in germany somewhere !!
The German Town is called "Essen" and they still operate: nahverkehr-deutschland.startbilder.de/bilder/eine-doppeltraktion-aus-ehemaligen-docklands-stadtbahnwagen-12302.jpg
@@PottersVideos2 yes the DLR signalling system could be a bit barmy sometimes The computer used tell train to stop at Canery Wharf in the days when there was'nt a station there
hungry :its rare nowadays to have crew on as when i went on my first journey by dlr their was a crew member on and they let me press a manual start button n since then havent seen many crew members
London.Underground.Lover The 3rd rail is only exposed on the underside so if someone were to fall on the tracks they wouldn't touch it, and a 4th rail is only used on the Underground to prevent current flowing through gas & water pipes plus the tunnels themselves. The 4th rail can be properly insulated as it does not have to be load bearing.
If you're gonna pay people to be in the trains anyway, why not just let them be train operators, rather than paying them AND paying for elaborate computer systems to operate the trains?
The train is automatic but people in the trains are used to check tickets, ensure passenger safety and ensure the train runs safely, in which they can take over if needed.
+waiyinka They always have been driverless, they require a 'supervisor' to operate the doors these days and to make sure everything is running ok. They will sometimes drive the train anyway.
It's exactly what +CrazyCashGaming said- the DLR has always been automated, but the trains have a "train captain" in case of emergencies such as the train getting stuck, or if the train has to be evacuated.
Yes, they really underestimated the volume of passengers which would use the railway!
9 years later and it’s still blowing ears out
High tech! Future! Next generation vision!
But when it breaks down some bloke has to drive from DLR HQ in his Ford Transit to come and fix it... Oh 1980's!
I pity the fool who had to do that!
Also, I love the way the switch labelling inside the cabinet is a mixture of dynotape and hand-written felt tip
The music at the start is an absolute banger.
It's Falquero and Chiappe Zilch followed by Neon Nights.
@@PottersVideos2thanks!
The end tho! 😂😂😂 It's like an old sitcom!
"That's My Train!" ran as a midseason replacement in 1988. Only 10 episodes aired.
Nice to see the original Island Gardens at the start. Seems strange how the original station seemed so modern back then, but look so dated now. It's also weird seeing the original single car stock, they look so small.
ARRRRGGGGHHHHH HIS VOICE GOES THROUGH MY LEFT EAR AND THE MUSIC THROUGH MY RIGHT ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I thought it was just my headphones being funny! 😂
RIP :P
Same here
I want that Van!!!!!!
The DLR-Team
Since trains from what I can tell haven’t run single in over a decade, this probably can’t happen as when a train has two cars only one unit needs to be receiving power to run the entire train. The B90 and B92 trains are also being replaced with a new type that’ll enter service sometime in 2022 where one unit is the length of three coupled together now.
i doubt the P86s run single in essen too.
@@blocklandrunner7726 they use pantographs in Essen which never lose contact
@@QuarioQuario54321 The original P86 trains could not run in multiple ever to the day they left DLR. The later P89's could run as pairs and were the only ones allowed to Bank as the P86 cars also had no fire compliance to go into the tunnel. Brings back memories this video !
2024 the new stock enters service.
@@QuarioQuario54321 Overhead line systems also have unpowered sections, for example to isolate sections supplied by different substations from each other, under low overpasses where not enough clearance can be maintained between the overhead line and the bridge structure, etc. They just aren't as obvious as there's still a (grounded) overhead wire in those sections so that the pantograph can stay up.
1:00 [beeps, boops, and incomprehensibly muffled, echoey communications] "Docklands Light Railway embodies the most up-to-date technology..."
Meanwhile all passengers have either died of boredom, or escaped and completed their journey on foot. It's so slow watching the recovery.
Fortunately that would not have happened back in the 1980s.
I've got this music as my ringtone
how?
WOW HE has the ring tone on his phone tell the world,
+william redfern Thats uncalled for.
Song?
W H A T I S T H E N A M E OF T H E S O N G ?
For anyone interested the intro music is falquero & chiappe zilch and neon lights
I'd like a date with Martin French. No, not Martin French of today; the 1988 vintage Martin French.
I'll even buy dinner (if he wears the hat ... lol).
Try watching this with headphones on.
its painful
Well I been taught about these safety instructions when I was working for London underground (TfL) how track is powered on and only use lights on inside tunnel for emergency use only and X mean radio / telephone not working. Also wear the correct PPE on site safety including depot , when I was at Ealing common depot, Acton works we had to wear orange HV in case of moving trains ahead and also boots done up properly for safety. I also did a CSA gateline duty for LU at Victoria tube station like 54 or 16 to base are you received over in case barrier is not working we reseted to 95E if broken. When I also worked at East kent railway, Shepherdswell near dover I passed PTS course if qualified to work on the track or on the line also look out for ongoing trains as both directions
Assistance in the rear?
So that’s why DLR trains are 6 cars. They never make it past the Poplar junction because they are too short
I’ve never seen a PPE Bikini before, that safety vest is certainly short 🤣
That was the standard of hi Viz from the 1970s & 1980s
Standard issue from 1970s till early 1990s to railway staff
Nice to see that although the trains and railway have changed a lot since then, the uniforms remain as spiffy now as back then! Shame about the new liveries though, I prefer the original blue with red stripes...
Same
A fascinating watch, from someone who just about remembers the old P86/89 stock in the 90s. I miss them! How often did this procedure end up happening, both back then and now?
Now it never happens due to all of the trains being 3 units in multiple, (6 cars) which allows at least 1 multiple unit to pick up power to keep the train moving.
@@thegrowl2210 But what if it breaks down due to another reason?
It's weird seeing the area so empty without the tall buildings there
0:40 Long Good Friday theme pastiche ;-)
1:56 *Pressure* of 750V DC :-D
Lol
Don't fuck about with the third rail, you might not live to regret it.
I'd have thought that on an automatic railway, it would be possible to ensure that a train never crosses a conductor rail gap at a speed slow enough to let it become stalled.
A: Poor manual driving because of system failure, maintenance, track inspection B: an emergency stop is triggered due to a passenger emergency alarm, on-board system failure (door switch opens), train control system failure, points detected out of position, etc.
So, if the disabled train is stuck in a gap without power, and it was going too slow to coast thru it -- why doesn't the second train also stall out when it pushes the first train out of the gap? It should drive into it at a very slow speed?
Because the gap is short enough for the second train to still have power
I love the DlR
10:40 After HWICH ?
What's the music at the beginning?
@ReplicatedAT200 Holy shit! Finally!! Thank you so fucking much O_O
What a jam
@ReplicatedAT200 I know!!! You don’t wanna know how happy I am rn lol
Just like a monorail. Didn't know 5:39 there are indicators/hazard lights
There are on most UK trains, Just a flash of both headlights activated by a button in the cab
What's stopping the unit that's giving the push from getting stuck between the gap?
holnrew it lost contact with the conductor rail as there aren't any on complicated crossovers I. e here the delta jct. Therefore it is dead and cannot move. Alas it is disabled and has to be assisted
Usually when two trains are coupled it’s long enough to cover the gap, it’s one of the considerations when choosing whether to assist from the front or the back.
Re 'gapping', surely the point of having more than one collector shoe per train is that if one shoe loses contact with the rail at a junction, there will be other shoes still in contact elsewhere on the train. Even with the original single-car trains, I'm surprised the gaps are so long that ALL shoes lose contact simultaneously and the train was expected to coast across.
If this is anything like the underground, I believe this was done on purpose. If a section of conductor rail needs to be switched off in an emergency, the large gap will prevent a train from bridging the 'dead' section and the live section, thus re-energizing the dead section and putting the emergency services in danger.
@@nathansvlog that's a good point, I didn't think of that
I wonder what Elaine is up to these days?
Alex Thorne Collecting a pension somewhere, no doubt.
Didn't the narrator mean the Third Industrial Revolution? The Second Industrial Revolution ended in 1914!
Lovely.
0:30 Correction: "The Third Industrial Revolution".
Can someone tell me what the synth music at the start is
any easy way to prevent this kind of thing from happening and saving the people on the trains a lot of time is to simple add a 3rd or 4th car to the train, the extra length will allow the train to thru switches or around curves and then get power back every time by looking at the set up of what has been laid out already.
that's good. it must have sucked having to push one of these for it to get power back every 5 minutes.
Bright clean passenger transport- proceeds to pan out to zero pantographs, third rail or Canaries. ... I wasn't looking at the world's worst attempt at hiding a death sentence conductor rail.
Who came here for the music?
While I come here for the interesting information of these videos, the music is always so good.
This is a really sad scenario for any railway: The service breaking down because a train wasn't fast enough and lost contact with the current supply.
I wonder if this ever really happened or if it was just their way of not admitting that they expected more frequent technical failures, as it is the case with every new technology.
Because if they WERE expecting this to happen, why didn't they try to built junctions with little bits of conductor rail inbetween or use overhead wiring altogether ??
Gapping happens but it’s pretty rare, there are junctions that are too complicated to have smaller sections of conductor rail and it’s usually when something else goes wrong or due to passenger action that a train becomes gapped. It used to happen on other lines with short trains (eg Silverlink with their 3 car trains) but most now have 4/5 car trains or run in multiple configuration which obviates the problem.
@@paulm2467 You're probably right. It just seems to me to be a pretty inefficient system, when those service disruptions are expected right from the start. But that could be just my view. Being a German, I'm used to overhead wiring almost everywhere.
What is the point of purchasing automatic trains if you will have at least one staff member on the train anyway ? Wouldn’t it have been cheaper to purchase non automatic trains ?
Passenger protection in emergencies.
This was before they became a part ofe the tfl tiketing scheme
I thought Docklands trains didn't have any crew on board.
There PSAs to help the passengers and operate the train in case of an emergency
I Think These Are P86 Stocks
You would not reconise any of these locations now so many buildings have gone up since
then. We lived in a very differnt world back then none of the health and safety bullshit
that we have now. it is my understanding that those cars are now working as trams in
germany somewhere !!
The German Town is called "Essen" and they still operate: nahverkehr-deutschland.startbilder.de/bilder/eine-doppeltraktion-aus-ehemaligen-docklands-stadtbahnwagen-12302.jpg
ah yes. mono audio on sterio headphones.
Why would a driverless train move too slowly to coast over a gap in the 3rd rail?
Presumably because it relied on the signalling system and it told the train to do that.
@@PottersVideos2 yes the DLR signalling system could be a bit barmy sometimes
The computer used tell train to stop at Canery Wharf in the days when there was'nt a station there
0:30 that dog is probably dead now :(
Given it’s been nearly 40 years... yeah I’d say so 😂
Sweet little doggie!
hungry :its rare nowadays to have crew on as when i went on my first journey by dlr their was a crew member on and they let me press a manual start button n since then havent seen many crew members
There is always a crew member, they are just in 1 of the carriages and cannot go through the whole train.
steven qprkid coulson yeah
Are the units gangwayed? If not then this seems silly to me.
Well a wheelchair wouldn't fit on a train
how come the speedometer is in km/h?
+Alfisto88 The whole system is metric, like the T&W Metro.
why not use 3rd and 4th rails?
London.Underground.Lover The 3rd rail is only exposed on the underside so if someone were to fall on the tracks they wouldn't touch it, and a 4th rail is only used on the Underground to prevent current flowing through gas & water pipes plus the tunnels themselves. The 4th rail can be properly insulated as it does not have to be load bearing.
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If you're gonna pay people to be in the trains anyway, why not just let them be train operators, rather than paying them AND paying for elaborate computer systems to operate the trains?
Because I'm pretty sure the unions would oppose that on health and safety grounds. Take a took at the RMT's keep the guard on the train campaign.
The train is automatic but people in the trains are used to check tickets, ensure passenger safety and ensure the train runs safely, in which they can take over if needed.
Remember the days when the train behind just pushed it straight away and didn't have to go though a bunch of pointless procedures?
chavvy mechanics with bling. ..typical
Train Captains what bull shit and jargon is that,,
+william redfern It's been changed to team leader.
+s0nnyburnett Should just label them as "door opener"
Jügren van der Kaas
I think you mean "unemployed" now.
@@s0nnyburnett PSA -Passenger Service Agent
i thought the DLR did not have drivers because in 2015 the trains are now driverless!
+waiyinka They always have been driverless, they require a 'supervisor' to operate the doors these days and to make sure everything is running ok. They will sometimes drive the train anyway.
It's exactly what +CrazyCashGaming said- the DLR has always been automated, but the trains have a "train captain" in case of emergencies such as the train getting stuck, or if the train has to be evacuated.