I remember when The BIG 10 took on Maryland and Rutgers, some were saying “that’s it for that conference”, “they’re lowering their standards.” Even though no one knew that we’d come to this time where two conferences would be so powerful compared to others, and Rutgers and Maryland have clearly been handed an elite status by way of just the way things are working out. Sometimes that happens. Don’t blame them.
The issue with the previous Big10 expansion is that people are dumb and thought they added those two for the sole purpose of the programs themselves. When in reality, the big10 just wanted a market in new York and Maryland.. lots of eyes over on the east coast.
@@shaggydaboy2 " the big10 just wanted a market in new York and Maryland" And to mitigate PSU's then restlessness with east coast opponents, which was the original expansion goal
Interesting comments. The PAC 12 has what neither the Big 12 or 10 have, the entire West coast TV audiences. Big 12 competes with the SEC and Big 10 TV time window, it's all about TV sets. PAC 12 also has nighttime game options. My guess is they will be just fine going forward, this is months from playing out.
Big 10 going to ink well over a billion dollars in the next TV deal while the Pac 12 gets only pennies. Pac 12 was already the WEAKEST conference of the power 5 and now they will be lucky if they ever see a playoff birth. Has the Pac 12 ever won a playoff game? Washington got blown out, Oregon got blown out. Otherwise I believe the Pac 12 has been left out every year.
It's been the same each time. When a conference gets raided, the remaining schools that think they also have value scream "poach me" while the others scream "save the conference". The BIG12 remainders all wanted to be poached. Only after it became apparent none were did they all circle the wagons. The PAC12 is now in a similar spot. The ACC is in a pre-raid posture. They all want to preserve the conference if that can be done while fixing the revenue gap while the individual members are also determining their poach chances.
@@tarheel7406 the moment the schools as a collective in the ACC decide to blow up the conference that GoR will become void. Can't have a GoR without schools for views to pay into. Til that happens the B1G and Sec will bid their time. The B1G wants ND in a big way and I feel it would be the epitome of folly to believe the B1G doesn't want a foot print in Florida for both recruitment and media market. I don't think they'll say no to either Duke and or UNC either. And I know Sec would love nothing more than to get their hands on Clemson, Duke, and UNC as well as a couple others if for no other reason then the fact that all of the ex-confederate states will be under one umbrella in the same conference. Shits about to get *_REAL_* wild here shortly.
@@fr0stb1ght34 "the moment the schools as a collective in the ACC decide to blow up the conference that GoR will become void." Yep. Been writing as much for about a year now It's just taken a long time for everyone else to get to the same place and the details to get flushed out.
In 10yrs they'll have at least 20x that. At best in the Pac they might have gotten an additional 30mil on top of what they were getting and thats assuming they didn't have to split everything evenly with the entire Pac.
Craig, you really sound bitter. Fact: The PAC-12 didn’t reject last year’s Big12 conference teams. It was USC’s President. Read the LATimes article today. Take your frustrations out on their prez!
Did any other president stand up for the Big 12 and say 'hey, we might need to invite some schools from the Big 12"? No because USC, Stanford, Cal, UCLA and most of the Pac 12 probably thought we're not going to lower our standards to take those schools in! So of course everyone from the Big 12 is bitter and now the Pac is in trouble and your commissioner is complaining that Big 12 is 'throwing grenades"?
Pac 12 went 0-5 against BYU and 0-5 in their bowl schedule last year. USC and UCLA are leaving a conference that really can't compete, Pac 12 really is not a "power" conference.
More money, playing East coast teams and having games not shown only at 8 pm on only the Pac12 network... come on Bro... UCLA and USC bringing LA football to the nation
the pac 12 made this situation. USC did what they had to do (and should have done DECADES AGO, although then go Indy). UCLA is a ride-along, per usual.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 "Vanderbilt of the Northeast" Huh? Vandy is a prestigious private school with better all-around sports and far better academics that RUT, which is public and has the worst all-around sports in the B1G.
Not in the Big 12- never again. We went down this road with UTEX and have suffered for it ever since. We now pay even payouts and this will not change. What the PAC does is its own business. But uneven revenue is like poison in an athletic conference.
They lost the uneven split 10 years ago and they can't pay their bills. SC is pouring hundreds of millions on renovations to the Coliseum and UCLA has trouble selling tickets. I guess they see any change as good as long as there's more money involved. Neither have looked very good lately. SC made some goofy coaching hires and there are always plenty of seats available in the Rose Bowl.
"Pushback from every corner of their communities" is a straight-up lie, the students (including athletes) and staff at USC are overwhelmingly for the move, and although I can't speak for UCLA I imagine it's the same there
I have been saying for days there is something in the BIG going on here to keep USC/UCLA travel to a minimum, especially during the cold months. How do you do this? You take big Pac brands, Cal, Stanford, UO, and UW, and admit them to the BIG to make a schedule that minimizes cross-continental travel. These universities won't dilute the BIG, they will strengthen them.
@@tarheel7406 because they wanted to let dominoes fall after ND joined. I think they believed grabbing up NDs rival would bring them in and before any other move was made they wanted to see what ND does.
@@fr0stb1ght34 "because they wanted to let dominoes fall after ND joined" No, because ND can't economically join the B1G without nuking the ACC. If there was high interest in any of the other PAC12 schools, the B1G would have already taken notwithstanding ND's decision. All of those PAC12 options are below B1G preferred ACC options, and the B1G may have to tiebreak in favor of some ACC schools to get the nuke to work.
He had to say that, to protect his conference, but him and everyone else knows that's not true. Ucla HAD to make the move or else they'd be in serious financial trouble and that's even with the Pac12 deal in the picture. Both schools would gladly take over/around 100M in comparison to whatever loose change from the couch the Pac12 was going to offer.
What's funny though is that I guarantee UCLA doesn't use the extra income to pay off debts, but instead spends more money on their irrelevant football team.
hahaha! Right! UCLA/USC regrets potentially making $100 million per year compared to $10 million!!! LOL!!! Let's go Big 12! Go UCF! Go Knights! Charge On!!!
Given the then circumstances, why? USC had not disclosed its intentions to leave and apparently no BIG12 remainder increased PAC12 revenue per team, at least not enough to bother.
USC and UCLA do not regret leaving a conference situation where the most they will get, before the cut, is $25 million when they are going to make $100 million a game, nor would Cal, Oregon, Stanford, or Washington.
Now…your comment is the Most Accurate in terms of the Dollars Involved as the Reason for the Move‼️USC has been THE Financial Pillar of the PAC12 for decades…and only getting a small return for their Monetary Drawing Power! With all the conference realignments going on - USC was in danger of being left in the PAC12 or going Independent or going elsewhere! None of That Made $$$ Sense!! So…here we are…and so be it‼️
Kliavkoff is just flailing at this point. I'm not sure if he's just in denial, or if he's been trying to drown his sorrows in a liquor bottle and this latest nonsense floated out of that. While the USC and UCLA PLAYERS may regret having to play road games in the Upper Midwest in November, the admins will just keep laughing all the way to the bank! While his position is unenviable, as he inherited a dumpster fire from his predecessor, his indiscriminate lashing out at the Big 12, which had nothing to do with getting the PAC into this mess, eliminates any sympathy I might otherwise feel for him.
He will eventually realize that he "only" has to plan for three eventual outcomes. The best is that he can keep the 10 together or just lose 1 or 2 more, the middle is rebuilding as a G5 after heavy defections to the B1G and/or new BIG12, and the worst case is managing a dissolution. Pretty much the same for the ACC. The new B1G12 isn't under any real survival threat. Its fate is now a Tier 2 or a distant 4th P4. It can even lose some western members to the PAC12 and still replace with relatively comparable new members, but the new BIG12 has few high percentage flight risks to cause stress.
Rumor has it that the $EC plans to raid the ACC at some point in the future, and that they will likely take FSU, but that they aren't interested in Miami. If that turns out to be true (and rumors often don't), if the ACC gets raided for too many of its teams to stay afloat, and if the B1G also passes on the 'Canes, they may land in the Big 12. That's a lot of "ifs", but the odds of Miami joining the Big 12 are still much higher than those of FSU joining them.
@@tarheel7406 the ACC has always wanted to be included in that equation, but no they are not. The ACC fan always want to mention the SEC like it's their big brother. Let's be crystal clear that it is the SEC that has the interest regionally. The TV markets and contracts are proof of that. The strong possibility is the ACC won't be much longer, and will likely be divided up amongst the B1G and SEC. That is if they're lucky, make no mistake that the B1G and SEC will be by far the most rewarded monetarily. The B1G split amongst the members in the future is north of $125 million per member, SEC is looking at $115 million per member, ACC is about $34 million per member.
@@tarheel7406 there'll be some left behind I'm sure. Like Boston College could go independent and play with Notre Dame along with Connecticut and Massachusetts I suppose. Miami and FSU doesn't play well with the SEC and would likely join the B1G. North Carolina and Duke fit the B1G much better academically than it does the SEC. I know they'd love the AAU advantage because of research and development grants in all fields. John Hopkins is already a B1G member that most people aren't aware of and of course their grants come in mostly due to medical I assume.
@@otisjohnjr.3023 "the ACC has always wanted to be included in that equation, but no they are not. The ACC fan always want to mention the SEC like it's their big brother. Let's be crystal clear that it is the SEC that has the interest regionally. The TV markets and contracts are proof of that" a) Evidence, not proof. After adjusting for the discount and apparent inflation, the ACC "as is" is likely worth ~$75-80M per ream annually b) Shortly after the TX/OK news broke, the ACC considered all feasible additions, and none worked financially outside of ND. More evidence that neither the ACC nor the SEC need to look outside of their respective "greater" regions. "The strong possibility is the ACC won't be much longer, and will likely be divided up amongst the B1G and SEC." Yes, even more evidence that the current ACC footprint is where the remaining value is Bottom line is that your comments support my claim that neither the SEC nor ACC have to go national.
@@tarheel7406 Truthfully I would just soon the B1G not take ACC teams just add some from the west coast to help scheduling. The Big 12, SEC, ACC and Disney owned ESPN really started this conference realignment in 1994 and has changed college sports forever. Their aggressive tactics and NCAA tampering had put the B1G in survival mode and it has reacted superbly every time. This last move by the SEC that raided its own partner in crime caused the B1G to protect themselves once again. They've hit a home run too and surpassed the last SEC move. I never dreamed of these teams playing in regular season. It has certainly added more potential excitement than anything the SEC, ACC or Big12 can offer in conference as it stands now. With NIL, CFP expansion, transfer portal and the new B1G footprint recruiting will soon even out across the nation. It'll make all sports so much more exciting to watch that's for sure.
You guys get so "Butt hurt" whenever anyone says anything you perceive as a slap at the conference or it's commissioner. That one guy on the end, is about as thin skinned as they come. Lighten up. These aren't world events we're talking about here. Thanks
They are having regrets? How can that be? It is 2 years until they play their 1st B1G game. Maybe they're just sad that the Pac-SS is just waiting around to see their FINAL FATES REVEALED. (That's what that other guy said. That they were goin' down.) SS Sinking Ship
"Pac 12 Commissioner Believes USC & UCLA are Already Regretting the Move to the Big 10" Really? What are USC and UCLA saying? I think I can sum it up in two words, "CHA-CHING"!!!🤣
Regrettably make 100 million Shows how out of touch the Pac-12 is I can only hope Oregon and Washington make the jump to the big 10…… what an embarrassing statement
George Klievkoff is a clown. This happened on your watch. Take some responsibility for your failure, do something or shut up. The Pac 12 hasn't put a team in the playoffs since the modern format.
Why? We are concerned about it because we have been attacked. They have already done their talking about Texas College Football earlier, during Big 12 media days.
UCLA and USC should never be allowed to move to the Big 10. It takes student athletes out of the class rooms. Losing all that time is a waste of scholarships for learning since not every athletes will be playing as pros.
Respectfully there bub, your comment makes No Sense Whatsoever! For Decades…the PAC has been playing interleague games going cross country…and there’s no record of student athletes being impoverished or needing therapy after that! There’s what…12 games per year??!! How many times are they scheduled to go cross country…4-6 times at the most? I suggest giving that a wee bit more thought??? 😬
lol PAC 12 commissioner....yeah, USC and UCLA are regeretting their move to the B1G and crying all the way to the bank. I know Kliavcoff is just throwing 'commissoner speak' out there but come on man. Better to hold his peace than say dumb things like this.
Jealous much? Sound like a bunch of women talking about their hotter friend. Don’t you guys have a season to talk about? Or you’re going to keep obsessing over the P12
@@tarheel7406 so long as that gaudy monstrosity known as the ACC GoR doesn't get in their way and NBC can't give them something comparative to the B1G or Sec then I'd say they make the move in the near future.
@@fr0stb1ght34 Again how? ND can't join the B1G in the near future without an ACC nuke or capitalizing/paying the damages for breaching the "must join if" agreement. I can't see a way for a court to capitalize such damages other than assuming that ND joins in full, leaves, and pays/settles the full GOR. ND would have the weakest legal case against the GOR due to all the special consideration it received and being a vote of 1. Without paying the full GOR or settling, I would expect an injunction against ND joining any other conference in football until 2036. It could remove its other sports by paying the non-football GOR, but it would still have the binding scheduling agreement and the "must join", so why would ND even do that? If ND gets a great new NBC deal and keeps the status quo and if the ACC can't get a renegotiate competitive deal, 8 members get confirmed better homes and nuke, the SEC/B1G finishing consolidating to separate, and then ND is looking at being locked out of the Tier 1 playoffs.
The Pac12 will collapse by 2024-25. Oregon and one maybe two other teams join the BIG 10. Utah, Colorado, and the two Arizona schools join the BIG12. The rest of the schools join Mountain West or something similar. Clemson to SEC and Notre Dame to Big10. I still believe the BIG10 & SEC will be the two power conferences of 20-24 teams and they will play for the National Championship. Everyone else is on the outside looking in. The college football concept of rivalries, tradition, "student-athletes" first, etc., etc., are over. It is all about money and making this an entertainment business. And at the beginning or a few years after these two conferences begin, we will most likely see some existing "smaller" schools bumped out of the conferences for other more attractive schools to be added.
NEW! UPDATED! CONCISE! THE NEW FULL MEMO ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL REALIGNMENT... Please remember, as Commissioner Warren said, these things are planned well in advance... To the B1G: Pitt, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Utah, Oregon, Kansas and Colorado for 24 (all here mentioned are AAU schools). To the SEC: NC(aau), Duke(aau), UVA(aau), Clemson, Florida St., West Virginia, Georgia Tech(aau), and Virginia Tech for 24. As the SEC still refuses to take Miami, the Hurricanes may end up a third top tier independent. ND and BYU (and Miami) will stay independent with playoff access. B1G24 Pacific division Washington Oregon Stanford Cal USC UCLA B1G24 Mountain Plains division Utah Colorado Nebraska Kansas Minnesota Iowa B1G24 Midwest division Illinois Northwestern Indiana Purdue Wisconsin Ohio State B1G24 Union division Rutgers Maryland Penn State Pitt Michigan Michigan State Meet the SEC24: On the bubble (2 of 3 will join SEC24) Miami (increasingly looking to be the third major independent, joining ND and BYU), West Virginia, and Virginia Tech. Knowing that Pitt is going B1G, that means 7 more ACC schools are needed to break their contract, which may assure the Hokies are in. No chance the other 6 ACC properties get left behind, each are way too valuable. Texas Oklahoma Texas A&M Arkansas Kentucky Missouri LSU Miss State Ole Miss Tennessee Vanderbilt Alabama Auburn Florida Florida St. Georgia Georgia Tech South Carolina Clemson North Carolina Duke UVA Virginia Tech West Virginia The rest to comprise TheThird24 conference with access relegation to playoff eligible divisions (similar to Euro soccer leagues) with guaranteed football playoff slots for their top teams every year. (Realignment for non football sports in this third conference, as membership could include 40 or so schools, with likely only 24 members of which will start the football season with access to the national playoff, more permanent regional sub conferences will be needed, and allowing these regional divisions to develop organically is expected to be one of the final components, and possibly most time consuming, such that the networks/B1G/SEC intend to allow the third conference a couple years of organization before defining a final playoff structure). This third conference is going to be full of badass non AAU schools from coast to coast, will have playoff access, and likely compete well for national titles moving forward. And now be introduced to TheThird24 Conference: TheThird24 (Assuming Miami goes independent) 1) Oklahoma St. 2) Washington St. 3) TCU 4) Arizona St. 5) Kansas St. 6) Baylor 7) Boise St. 8) Arizona (AAU school) 9) San Diego St. 10) Tulane (AAU school) 11) Rice (AAU school) 12) UCF(disney/espn) 13) Louisville 14) Cincinnati 15) Houston 16) Boston College If the 3rd conference goes to 24: Utah State Syracuse NC State Hawaii Oregon State Fresno State Iowa State Texas Tech and/or SMU or Memphis or Southern Miss or Wake Forrest or Colorado State or Tulsa or Wyoming or New Mexico or UConn or Wichita State or Nevada or Army or Navy or Air Force... etc. Relegation clearly required. So that makes 75 teams with playoff access each year: B1G24, SEC24, TheThird24 (with relegation beyond 24), and independents Notre Dame, Miami, and BYU. How can this happen? Quite simply, really, and in the end likely a value booster for all schools through the 3 mega conferences... Except for the 32 currrent legacy members of the B1G/SEC, revenue sharing as we've known it is finished. The rest will be taken on and paid in accord with their relative fanbase/marketshare and other values brought to the table. And they're selling this beautifully.... This has to be the single best dudes' soap opera to run the sportswire in some time. This is intentional. It's a done deal, but milking the interest is just the first part of this brilliant college football marketing campaign. Also, look for the Rose Bowl to be the B1G championship game each New Year's day, the Sugar for the SEC24, and the Cotton for the Third24. Other bowls will play out during the holidays and could have playoff implications depending on the year. PLAYOFF FLEXIBILITY: The concept of yearly playoff flexibility should be incorporated. Every year is different; setting an arbitray number of playoff slots before the season plays out inevitably rubs against fairness for the next team left out. After the 3 Conference championships on New Year's Day, a commission should call no less than 4 teams, but up to 16, or any (even odd) number in between, such that no eligible undefeated team is left out, and playing such games as necessary to answer but one question: Who is number 1?
This gets old Western Civic Capital. SEC and Big 10 don’t need the schools you listed. And from your blueprint, USC and UCLA don’t want to play the teams from the PAC-12. If they did, they would not have left.
They're already regretting not leaving sooner.
😆 🤣 😂
If they’re regretting the move, just ask them back. They’ll come running.
Hahahahahahaha
Exactly
Yeah right! Why would they regret leaving that conference?
I remember when The BIG 10 took on Maryland and Rutgers, some were saying “that’s it for that conference”, “they’re lowering their standards.”
Even though no one knew that we’d come to this time where two conferences would be so powerful compared to others, and Rutgers and Maryland have clearly been handed an elite status by way of just the way things are working out. Sometimes that happens. Don’t blame them.
The issue with the previous Big10 expansion is that people are dumb and thought they added those two for the sole purpose of the programs themselves. When in reality, the big10 just wanted a market in new York and Maryland.. lots of eyes over on the east coast.
@@shaggydaboy2 " the big10 just wanted a market in new York and Maryland"
And to mitigate PSU's then restlessness with east coast opponents, which was the original expansion goal
I'd take Maryland just for the uniforms
Maryland was a good basketball school, added to the big 10
@@shaggydaboy2 Exactly. Rutgers for the NJ/NY market and Maryland for the DC market
USC and UCLA regret nothing. Great move on their part secured their future's
Interesting comments. The PAC 12 has what neither the Big 12 or 10 have, the entire West coast TV audiences. Big 12 competes with the SEC and Big 10 TV time window, it's all about TV sets. PAC 12 also has nighttime game options. My guess is they will be just fine going forward, this is months from playing out.
Big 10 going to ink well over a billion dollars in the next TV deal while the Pac 12 gets only pennies. Pac 12 was already the WEAKEST conference of the power 5 and now they will be lucky if they ever see a playoff birth. Has the Pac 12 ever won a playoff game? Washington got blown out, Oregon got blown out. Otherwise I believe the Pac 12 has been left out every year.
PAC is bitter
Yet everyone of their teams are saying “take me too”
It's been the same each time. When a conference gets raided, the remaining schools that think they also have value scream "poach me" while the others scream "save the conference". The BIG12 remainders all wanted to be poached. Only after it became apparent none were did they all circle the wagons. The PAC12 is now in a similar spot. The ACC is in a pre-raid posture. They all want to preserve the conference if that can be done while fixing the revenue gap while the individual members are also determining their poach chances.
Yup...PAC is dead man walking. Game over.
@@Pluto2363 I'm now seeing vids evidencing a later phase, namely that USC/UCLA are "regretting" their decision. I recall some of that with TX/OK.
@@tarheel7406 the moment the schools as a collective in the ACC decide to blow up the conference that GoR will become void. Can't have a GoR without schools for views to pay into. Til that happens the B1G and Sec will bid their time. The B1G wants ND in a big way and I feel it would be the epitome of folly to believe the B1G doesn't want a foot print in Florida for both recruitment and media market. I don't think they'll say no to either Duke and or UNC either. And I know Sec would love nothing more than to get their hands on Clemson, Duke, and UNC as well as a couple others if for no other reason then the fact that all of the ex-confederate states will be under one umbrella in the same conference. Shits about to get *_REAL_* wild here shortly.
@@fr0stb1ght34 "the moment the schools as a collective in the ACC decide to blow up the conference that GoR will become void."
Yep. Been writing as much for about a year now It's just taken a long time for everyone else to get to the same place and the details to get flushed out.
Sure they are, they will be regretting it to the tune of 100 million a season.
$100mil+ a season.
@@fr0stb1ght34 Oh…you’re the one that had to add that “+” to the comment! 🤣😂🤣 You’re right of course, but expectedly funny! 👊
@@catsailor8621 😂😂😂😂 don't worry I laughed too as I was doing it.
@@fr0stb1ght34 Ha! Ha! Ha! It’s too early to be laughing this much without coffee! Good One, My Friend! ☕️ 😄 👊
@@catsailor8621 always a great moment for a good laugh 😃. Glad I could help. Have a great one fam!
UCLA had no choice but to leave. They are in the hole with there athletic budget more than 50 million
In 10yrs they'll have at least 20x that. At best in the Pac they might have gotten an additional 30mil on top of what they were getting and thats assuming they didn't have to split everything evenly with the entire Pac.
I have heard on other shows that UCLA are in the hole for over a 100 million.
Craig, you really sound bitter. Fact: The PAC-12 didn’t reject last year’s Big12 conference teams. It was USC’s President. Read the LATimes article today. Take your frustrations out on their prez!
Did any other president stand up for the Big 12 and say 'hey, we might need to invite some schools from the Big 12"? No because USC, Stanford, Cal, UCLA and most of the Pac 12 probably thought we're not going to lower our standards to take those schools in! So of course everyone from the Big 12 is bitter and now the Pac is in trouble and your commissioner is complaining that Big 12 is 'throwing grenades"?
The PAC12 was in the same position as the ACC. No BIG12 remainder had the per team revenue lift to bother adding.
B1G school alum here and I'm a loyal listener because you guys are killing it! Thank you for bringing an honest perspective outside of Waco.
If this guy were on the titanic, he’d probably say “those people getting on the life boat are going to regret their decision.”
They will wipe their tears with those gazillion Big 10 dollars. lol
Pac 12 went 0-5 against BYU and 0-5 in their bowl schedule last year. USC and UCLA are leaving a conference that really can't compete, Pac 12 really is not a "power" conference.
USC WILL MAKE THAT CONFERENCE MUCH STRONGER
More money, playing East coast teams and having games not shown only at 8 pm on only the Pac12 network... come on Bro... UCLA and USC bringing LA football to the nation
Lol, bless his heart.
Ok st, Texas tech, Baylor, and Oregon are made for each other.
the pac 12 made this situation. USC did what they had to do (and should have done DECADES AGO, although then go Indy). UCLA is a ride-along, per usual.
Pac12 has lost the 2nd largest sports market. The best Kliavkoff can do now is throw public shade towards SC & UCLA like a salty ex lover.
Everyone loves to hate on Rutgers
Vanderbilt of the Northeast
Their improvements in recruiting will wind up surprising a lot of people sooner rather than later.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 "Vanderbilt of the Northeast"
Huh? Vandy is a prestigious private school with better all-around sports and far better academics that RUT, which is public and has the worst all-around sports in the B1G.
People hate Rutgers because they SUCK
I get it, the two could have pushed for an uneven split of TV revenue and likely got it.
Not in the Big 12- never again. We went down this road with UTEX and have suffered for it ever since. We now pay even payouts and this will not change. What the PAC does is its own business. But uneven revenue is like poison in an athletic conference.
They lost the uneven split 10 years ago and they can't pay their bills. SC is pouring hundreds of millions on renovations to the Coliseum and UCLA has trouble selling tickets. I guess they see any change as good as long as there's more money involved. Neither have looked very good lately. SC made some goofy coaching hires and there are always plenty of seats available in the Rose Bowl.
Just like I’d regret leaving a ‘3’ for a supermodel. 😂
…and then she leaves you for a 10 with $50M in the bank!
😩
The B1G has always been the most stable conference. They are that way for a reason.
the SEC says hello
They’re regretting they don’t start until 2024
Don’t pick a fight you can’t win, this PAC attacks B12, unknowing that they can’t win that either.
Sour grapes. It's not a good look.
this is already being nominated for the joke of the year 2022.
Pac 10 = Aztecs
Like USC will ever win the big ten
"Pushback from every corner of their communities" is a straight-up lie, the students (including athletes) and staff at USC are overwhelmingly for the move, and although I can't speak for UCLA I imagine it's the same there
If Oregon & Washington and possibly California & Stanford join the B1G West Coast "POD" they may not have to leave their time zone?
I have been saying for days there is something in the BIG going on here to keep USC/UCLA travel to a minimum, especially during the cold months. How do you do this? You take big Pac brands, Cal, Stanford, UO, and UW, and admit them to the BIG to make a schedule that minimizes cross-continental travel. These universities won't dilute the BIG, they will strengthen them.
Why didn't the B1G add more during the initial bite? Why wait until after the notice deadline making things more expensive and complicated?
@@tarheel7406 because they wanted to let dominoes fall after ND joined. I think they believed grabbing up NDs rival would bring them in and before any other move was made they wanted to see what ND does.
@@fr0stb1ght34 "because they wanted to let dominoes fall after ND joined"
No, because ND can't economically join the B1G without nuking the ACC. If there was high interest in any of the other PAC12 schools, the B1G would have already taken notwithstanding ND's decision. All of those PAC12 options are below B1G preferred ACC options, and the B1G may have to tiebreak in favor of some ACC schools to get the nuke to work.
He had to say that, to protect his conference, but him and everyone else knows that's not true. Ucla HAD to make the move or else they'd be in serious financial trouble and that's even with the Pac12 deal in the picture. Both schools would gladly take over/around 100M in comparison to whatever loose change from the couch the Pac12 was going to offer.
U Nailed It!
That TV deal is about half of what we make per game. That should tell you everything you need to know about the current state of the PAC.
What's funny though is that I guarantee UCLA doesn't use the extra income to pay off debts, but instead spends more money on their irrelevant football team.
Good, let UCLA burn to the ground
hahaha! Right! UCLA/USC regrets potentially making $100 million per year compared to $10 million!!! LOL!!! Let's go Big 12! Go UCF! Go Knights! Charge On!!!
What do you care what happens to those shitty California schools, let them rot
PAC 12 should have added Kansas, ttu, OSU and someone last year to kill the big 12
He’s saying all this stuff to cover up how much me sucks at his job
Given the then circumstances, why? USC had not disclosed its intentions to leave and apparently no BIG12 remainder increased PAC12 revenue per team, at least not enough to bother.
USC and UCLA do not regret leaving a conference situation where the most they will get, before the cut, is $25 million when they are going to make $100 million a game, nor would Cal, Oregon, Stanford, or Washington.
Now…your comment is the Most Accurate in terms of the Dollars Involved as the Reason for the Move‼️USC has been THE Financial Pillar of the PAC12 for decades…and only getting a small return for their Monetary Drawing Power! With all the conference realignments going on - USC was in danger of being left in the PAC12 or going Independent or going elsewhere! None of That Made $$$ Sense!! So…here we are…and so be it‼️
Kliavkoff is just flailing at this point. I'm not sure if he's just in denial, or if he's been trying to drown his sorrows in a liquor bottle and this latest nonsense floated out of that. While the USC and UCLA PLAYERS may regret having to play road games in the Upper Midwest in November, the admins will just keep laughing all the way to the bank! While his position is unenviable, as he inherited a dumpster fire from his predecessor, his indiscriminate lashing out at the Big 12, which had nothing to do with getting the PAC into this mess, eliminates any sympathy I might otherwise feel for him.
He will eventually realize that he "only" has to plan for three eventual outcomes. The best is that he can keep the 10 together or just lose 1 or 2 more, the middle is rebuilding as a G5 after heavy defections to the B1G and/or new BIG12, and the worst case is managing a dissolution. Pretty much the same for the ACC.
The new B1G12 isn't under any real survival threat. Its fate is now a Tier 2 or a distant 4th P4. It can even lose some western members to the PAC12 and still replace with relatively comparable new members, but the new BIG12 has few high percentage flight risks to cause stress.
what is the chances of the Big 12 getting Miami, and Florida State
Rumor has it that the $EC plans to raid the ACC at some point in the future, and that they will likely take FSU, but that they aren't interested in Miami. If that turns out to be true (and rumors often don't), if the ACC gets raided for too many of its teams to stay afloat, and if the B1G also passes on the 'Canes, they may land in the Big 12. That's a lot of "ifs", but the odds of Miami joining the Big 12 are still much higher than those of FSU joining them.
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I think Miami goes to the B1G and State to the Sec.
MIAMI - very feasible. FSU - next to zero.
ZERO
I am sure commissioner is worried about his career. Don't blame Big 10 or 12.
It needs to be understood that the B1G just went national while the big 12, SEC and ACC remain regional at this time.
Neither the SEC nor ACC have to go national. The population growth and interest in college sports is stronger in the Southeast
@@tarheel7406 the ACC has always wanted to be included in that equation, but no they are not. The ACC fan always want to mention the SEC like it's their big brother. Let's be crystal clear that it is the SEC that has the interest regionally. The TV markets and contracts are proof of that. The strong possibility is the ACC won't be much longer, and will likely be divided up amongst the B1G and SEC. That is if they're lucky, make no mistake that the B1G and SEC will be by far the most rewarded monetarily. The B1G split amongst the members in the future is north of $125 million per member, SEC is looking at $115 million per member, ACC is about $34 million per member.
@@tarheel7406 there'll be some left behind I'm sure. Like Boston College could go independent and play with Notre Dame along with Connecticut and Massachusetts I suppose. Miami and FSU doesn't play well with the SEC and would likely join the B1G. North Carolina and Duke fit the B1G much better academically than it does the SEC. I know they'd love the AAU advantage because of research and development grants in all fields. John Hopkins is already a B1G member that most people aren't aware of and of course their grants come in mostly due to medical I assume.
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"the ACC has always wanted to be included in that equation, but no they are not. The ACC fan always want to mention the SEC like it's their big brother. Let's be crystal clear that it is the SEC that has the interest regionally. The TV markets and contracts are proof of that"
a) Evidence, not proof. After adjusting for the discount and apparent inflation, the ACC "as is" is likely worth ~$75-80M per ream annually
b) Shortly after the TX/OK news broke, the ACC considered all feasible additions, and none worked financially outside of ND. More evidence that neither the ACC nor the SEC need to look outside of their respective "greater" regions.
"The strong possibility is the ACC won't be much longer, and will likely be divided up amongst the B1G and SEC."
Yes, even more evidence that the current ACC footprint is where the remaining value is
Bottom line is that your comments support my claim that neither the SEC nor ACC have to go national.
@@tarheel7406 Truthfully I would just soon the B1G not take ACC teams just add some from the west coast to help scheduling.
The Big 12, SEC, ACC and Disney owned ESPN really started this conference realignment in 1994 and has changed college sports forever. Their aggressive tactics and NCAA tampering had put the B1G in survival mode and it has reacted superbly every time.
This last move by the SEC that raided its own partner in crime caused the B1G to protect themselves once again. They've hit a home run too and surpassed the last SEC move.
I never dreamed of these teams playing in regular season. It has certainly added more potential excitement than anything the SEC, ACC or Big12 can offer in conference as it stands now.
With NIL, CFP expansion, transfer portal and the new B1G footprint recruiting will soon even out across the nation. It'll make all sports so much more exciting to watch that's for sure.
Pac 12 and Big 12 should have merged and made a new Southwest Conference. Northern and East Teams could go to other Conferences.
UT would not give up their TV money, I guess? And Big12 religious schools would not become Marxist, I guess?
Why should the big 12 have to take cal and Oregon state
Just the Teams up to half of Cali.
Lol...yeah USC is regretting the millions upon 50 extra million they are getting playing in the Big 10. Lol
You guys get so "Butt hurt" whenever anyone says anything you perceive as a slap at the conference or it's commissioner. That one guy on the end, is about as thin skinned as they come.
Lighten up. These aren't world events we're talking about here.
Thanks
They are having regrets? How can that be? It is 2 years until they play their 1st B1G game.
Maybe they're just sad that the Pac-SS is just waiting around to see their FINAL FATES REVEALED.
(That's what that other guy said. That they were goin' down.)
SS
Sinking Ship
What else is he going to say?
"Pac 12 Commissioner Believes USC & UCLA are Already Regretting the Move to the Big 10" Really? What are USC and UCLA saying? I think I can sum it up in two words, "CHA-CHING"!!!🤣
Yeah $100 million a year fixes a lot of problems whether you regret it or not!
PAC12 propaganda
Regretting it? That's a bunch of bullshit, lol.
Lol seriously?
Regrettably make 100 million
Shows how out of touch the Pac-12 is
I can only hope Oregon and Washington make the jump to the big 10…… what an embarrassing statement
King grenade throwers.
This guy is a joke. I'm out here in Cali and USC and UCLA are all excited about the move.
George Klievkoff is a clown. This happened on your watch. Take some responsibility for your failure, do something or shut up. The Pac 12 hasn't put a team in the playoffs since the modern format.
PAC-12 last playoff team was Washington 2016?
CFP: Oregon in 2014 and Washington in 2016.
I can think of 100 million reasons why he’s wrong.
For a Big 12 show they talk about the PAC 12 ALL THE TIME! Doesn't the season start in less than a month? Talk about football. Geez.
Easy to talk about a lgbtq conference.
Why? We are concerned about it because we have been attacked. They have already done their talking about Texas College Football earlier, during Big 12 media days.
Regretting it, yea ok.
UCLA and USC should never be allowed to move to the Big 10. It takes student athletes out of the class rooms. Losing all that time is a waste of scholarships for learning since not every athletes will be playing as pros.
Respectfully there bub, your comment makes No Sense Whatsoever! For Decades…the PAC has been playing interleague games going cross country…and there’s no record of student athletes being impoverished or needing therapy after that! There’s what…12 games per year??!! How many times are they scheduled to go cross country…4-6 times at the most? I suggest giving that a wee bit more thought??? 😬
What are you guys smoking
lol PAC 12 commissioner....yeah, USC and UCLA are regeretting their move to the B1G and crying all the way to the bank. I know Kliavcoff is just throwing 'commissoner speak' out there but come on man. Better to hold his peace than say dumb things like this.
bOy George keeps doubling down, he can't help himself. Eventually he'll be CEO of the Martindale Investment Company.
Jealous much? Sound like a bunch of women talking about their hotter friend. Don’t you guys have a season to talk about? Or you’re going to keep obsessing over the P12
ND joins BIG, then Stanford. Washington, Oregon want to move to BIG. Kal would jump if asked.
Given the "must join if" agreement, has does ND join the B1G in the near future?
@@tarheel7406 so long as that gaudy monstrosity known as the ACC GoR doesn't get in their way and NBC can't give them something comparative to the B1G or Sec then I'd say they make the move in the near future.
@@fr0stb1ght34 Again how? ND can't join the B1G in the near future without an ACC nuke or capitalizing/paying the damages for breaching the "must join if" agreement. I can't see a way for a court to capitalize such damages other than assuming that ND joins in full, leaves, and pays/settles the full GOR. ND would have the weakest legal case against the GOR due to all the special consideration it received and being a vote of 1. Without paying the full GOR or settling, I would expect an injunction against ND joining any other conference in football until 2036.
It could remove its other sports by paying the non-football GOR, but it would still have the binding scheduling agreement and the "must join", so why would ND even do that? If ND gets a great new NBC deal and keeps the status quo and if the ACC can't get a renegotiate competitive deal, 8 members get confirmed better homes and nuke, the SEC/B1G finishing consolidating to separate, and then ND is looking at being locked out of the Tier 1 playoffs.
The Pac12 will collapse by 2024-25. Oregon and one maybe two other teams join the BIG 10. Utah, Colorado, and the two Arizona schools join the BIG12. The rest of the schools join Mountain West or something similar. Clemson to SEC and Notre Dame to Big10.
I still believe the BIG10 & SEC will be the two power conferences of 20-24 teams and they will play for the National Championship. Everyone else is on the outside looking in. The college football concept of rivalries, tradition, "student-athletes" first, etc., etc., are over. It is all about money and making this an entertainment business.
And at the beginning or a few years after these two conferences begin, we will most likely see some existing "smaller" schools bumped out of the conferences for other more attractive schools to be added.
I don't know. Notre Dame might fall on its sword clinging to its independence and get left behind.
Hehehehehe he’s delusional.
NEW! UPDATED! CONCISE!
THE NEW FULL MEMO ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL REALIGNMENT...
Please remember, as Commissioner Warren said, these things are planned well in advance...
To the B1G: Pitt, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Utah, Oregon, Kansas and Colorado for 24 (all here mentioned are AAU schools).
To the SEC: NC(aau), Duke(aau), UVA(aau), Clemson, Florida St., West Virginia, Georgia Tech(aau), and Virginia Tech for 24.
As the SEC still refuses to take Miami, the Hurricanes may end up a third top tier independent.
ND and BYU (and Miami) will stay independent with playoff access.
B1G24 Pacific division
Washington
Oregon
Stanford
Cal
USC
UCLA
B1G24 Mountain Plains division
Utah
Colorado
Nebraska
Kansas
Minnesota
Iowa
B1G24 Midwest division
Illinois
Northwestern
Indiana
Purdue
Wisconsin
Ohio State
B1G24 Union division
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Pitt
Michigan
Michigan State
Meet the SEC24:
On the bubble (2 of 3 will join SEC24) Miami (increasingly looking to be the third major independent, joining ND and BYU), West Virginia, and Virginia Tech.
Knowing that Pitt is going B1G, that means 7 more ACC schools are needed to break their contract, which may assure the Hokies are in. No chance the other 6 ACC properties get left behind, each are way too valuable.
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
LSU
Miss State
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
South Carolina
Clemson
North Carolina
Duke
UVA
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
The rest to comprise TheThird24 conference with access relegation to playoff eligible divisions (similar to Euro soccer leagues) with guaranteed football playoff slots for their top teams every year. (Realignment for non football sports in this third conference, as membership could include 40 or so schools, with likely only 24 members of which will start the football season with access to the national playoff, more permanent regional sub conferences will be needed, and allowing these regional divisions to develop organically is expected to be one of the final components, and possibly most time consuming, such that the networks/B1G/SEC intend to allow the third conference a couple years of organization before defining a final playoff structure).
This third conference is going to be full of badass non AAU schools from coast to coast, will have playoff access, and likely compete well for national titles moving forward.
And now be introduced to TheThird24 Conference:
TheThird24
(Assuming Miami goes independent)
1) Oklahoma St.
2) Washington St.
3) TCU
4) Arizona St.
5) Kansas St.
6) Baylor
7) Boise St.
8) Arizona (AAU school)
9) San Diego St.
10) Tulane (AAU school)
11) Rice (AAU school)
12) UCF(disney/espn)
13) Louisville
14) Cincinnati
15) Houston
16) Boston College
If the 3rd conference goes to 24:
Utah State
Syracuse
NC State
Hawaii
Oregon State
Fresno State
Iowa State
Texas Tech and/or SMU or Memphis or Southern Miss or Wake Forrest or Colorado State or Tulsa or Wyoming or New Mexico or UConn or Wichita State or Nevada or Army or Navy or Air Force... etc. Relegation clearly required.
So that makes 75 teams with playoff access each year: B1G24, SEC24, TheThird24 (with relegation beyond 24), and independents Notre Dame, Miami, and BYU.
How can this happen?
Quite simply, really, and in the end likely a value booster for all schools through the 3 mega conferences...
Except for the 32 currrent legacy members of the B1G/SEC, revenue sharing as we've known it is finished. The rest will be taken on and paid in accord with their relative fanbase/marketshare and other values brought to the table.
And they're selling this beautifully.... This has to be the single best dudes' soap opera to run the sportswire in some time. This is intentional.
It's a done deal, but milking the interest is just the first part of this brilliant college football marketing campaign.
Also, look for the Rose Bowl to be the B1G championship game each New Year's day, the Sugar for the SEC24, and the Cotton for the Third24.
Other bowls will play out during the holidays and could have playoff implications depending on the year.
PLAYOFF FLEXIBILITY:
The concept of yearly playoff flexibility should be incorporated. Every year is different; setting an arbitray number of playoff slots before the season plays out inevitably rubs against fairness for the next team left out.
After the 3 Conference championships on New Year's Day, a commission should call no less than 4 teams, but up to 16, or any (even odd) number in between, such that no eligible undefeated team is left out, and playing such games as necessary to answer but one question:
Who is number 1?
No one's reading this, I sure as hell didn't.
Lol. B12 butt hurt.
So when Pitt visits Stanford think you can get me a ticket? I'll pay full price of course.
This stupidity again?
This gets old Western Civic Capital. SEC and Big 10 don’t need the schools you listed. And from your blueprint, USC and UCLA don’t want to play the teams from the PAC-12. If they did, they would not have left.