I have been believing in the pre-tribulation rapture for many years I changed my view just lately (January 2022) when I read Matthew 24. I tried to figure out the timing of rapture there. I wasnt able to find the rapture despite how many times I tried reading it. Then I said to myself what if it's not really pre-trib and it became so much crystal clear to me it's after tribulation Matthew 24:29-31. The coming of our Lord and the gathering of the saints will happen after the tribulation and the sounding of the last trumpet. All of the popular rapture verses agrees with each other.
@@Landis_Grant Jesus spoke 3 1/2 years only to the Jews. Does the NT only refer to Jews? Mat 24 is the Olivet Discourse and repeated in Mark and Luke. Jesus spoke here to His disciples, the church. In Mk 13:37 He says, it is fore ALL! In Luke 12:41+42 He says for all disciples, till He comes again. His elect are NT Saints, bought by His blood, not surviving Jews, "the elect", they are also gathered, but brought by Gentiles, not gathered by angels through the air to Christ, that is the Rapture, when He comes the 2. time (not third) in the clouds. The coming of the Lord for the Rapture is erchomai, for the coming of judgment He uses parousia (In the days of Noah and Lot refers to judgment of the wicked).
Yeah don't read Matthew 24 to study the end times. Jesus gave a very short summary to both Jews and Gentiles (versus 5-29 for the Jews) ( 36-51 for Gentiles) and then 29-35 for both. The real trick is to read Matthew 24:30 this is the pinnacle of when Christ returns for the Christians. Why is the entire earth mourning? I don't know about you but if I go through 7 years of hell on earth during the Tribulation and I see my Jesus break through the sky, the last thing I am going to do is mourn like I just lost my only son (Zech 12:10-14). I'm going to be like one of those people in the Star Wars movie when they blow up the death star. I am going to shout and sing and praise my Jesus. Not mourn. So I wonder who those people are on the planet that are in mourning when Christ returns? Could it be the last of those who were spared? Could it be largely the Jews who rejected Jesus the first time and now their eyes are open and they are deeply sorrowful that they rejected him on his first visit? I think it very well could be. If you really want to study end times you have to go through verse by verse in Revelation with a good Bible teacher. Otherwise you fall for this type of imagination of men.
I also believed in Pre trib for almost my whole Adult life until 2020, it feels good to know the truth, but I do miss those pretrib days. Sometimes escapism is easier. But, I do thank my Heavenly Father for truth 🙏
The fact that it's going to happen is enough to give Joy and encouragement to the Believer. In any case God has our backs, and that knowledge is enough for me. I'm at peace.
I have never really bothered myself with pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib. I am just be ready. Be saved, study the Word, be in prayer. I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me daily. If there is a post-trib well okay, I rely on God to get me through it. If there is a pre-trib then I still rely on God daily. I am not a Bible Scholar but I am seeing quibbling among Christians on doctrine. People tend to lose Jesus in all of this and that is not good.
I've really enjoyed these discussions on post- tribulationism. They have given me numerous things to think about that I've never considered before. I really began to think through some of these issues as I preached through the book of 1st Peter. Thanks for the opportunity to sit in on these discussions.
I have had questions, via scripture, for years, and I am grateful for these lucid (as much as possible) clarifications. Have also appreciated listening to surely the fastest English speaker going.
thanks for standing up, I'm post tribulation best explanation is Matthew 24. seen some of the comments it's sad to me people are having such trouble seeing this... I unfortunately believe many pre tribulation people will be a great deal of those that fall away when the hard times come... all nations will hate us for HIS NAME we will be arrested and killed.. for our testimony not loving our lives even until death... even so come Lord JESUS ❤
Matthew 24:5-29 is for those who are in Judea (not Switzerland or any other place beside Israel). And then you have a major problem with Matthew 24:30 because all the people on the earth are mourning at the return of Christ. I don't know about you but if I survive 7 years of hell on earth, I'm going to scream and shout for Jesus with victorious joy (not mourning like I just lost a son). It's going to be like the end of a Star Wars movie when they blow up the death star. All sorts of cheering and revelry going on. But there is this sticky little sentence that says the world is in mourning (sort of like Zechariah 12-10-14). Maybe that's because the people on the earth are the last of the surviving members who rejected Jesus Christ and they are in the middle of repentance!!! I never thought about it that way before. So that just blows out all the teaching of Matthew 24 for the rest of the world. Time to leave the false prophets in the dust.
What's crazy is that people say it's not a salvation issue. It's true. However, if you do not endure til the end and take the MOB you are doomed. Post tribulation is all about preparation. If you don't prepare, you can and will fall when the true pressure and persecution arise.
*HE HAS TO FULFILL IT TO SAVE US* Isaiah 9:19 *Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened , and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother* *who is the Lord of Hosts* ?? *JESUS IS* AS NOTED Isaiah 44:6 King James Version 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, *and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last* ; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 22:13 King James Version 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, *the first and the last* .Jeremiah 1:12 “ *Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it* .” Luke 21: 20-22 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 *Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains* ; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 *For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled* Luke 21:31-36 KJV So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, *till all be fulfilled* 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on *ALL* them that dwell on the face of the whole earth 36 *Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass* , and to stand before the Son of man *WORTHY TO ESCAPE IS NOT THE RAPTURE BUT BEING WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE WRATH OF GOD AS NOTED EARLIER IN THE TEXT JESUS SAYS FLEE RUN TO THE HILLS HE IS TELLING YOU TO RUN ESCAPE AND HIDE*
I'm only in the third minute, but having the right view concerning Pre-Trib or post trib, IS ESSENTIAL because it will greatly affect how you prepare for the Great Trib and how you are ready to minister during that period. All the pre-tribbers will be in shock or denial and many will fall from the faith as part of the predicted FALLING AWAY. They will feel offended and will get angry and will fall away. But those who are prepared can use this time to help others and to lay down their lives.
Exactly! It’s important to know that the rapture is at the final trumpet when Jesus returns! The dead in Christ will rise first and believers that are still on the Earth will rise up and meet Jesus and the other believers in the air. Christians who believe in a pre-trib rapture will be easily deceived when the anti-Christ is revealed because they will accept the mark believing that it could not be the mark because the pre-trib rapture has not occurred yet.
If post-tribulation rapture is true, you believers will spend ALL of your time and energy trying not to get arrested by the Antichrist’s police who will round up all people (for the guillotine) who do not have the Mark of the Beast in their right hand or on their forehead. You won’t be witnessing to the unsaved especially those who already received the Mark. These people cannot be saved, their destiny is the lake of fire!
You all are on point! Post-tribulation return and being gathered/raptured unto Him is what I have found that aligns the most with the scriptures. Thank you for teaching on it! (Endtime Ministries, Plano, TX, teaches this also.)
Do you believe all of the pre trib believers are afraid or unwilling to suffer for Jesus? How many of us Christians have suffered and died for Jesus in the last 2000 years? Did they not go through tribulation? Do not reject the Blessed Hope, the glorious appearing of our Lord and Saviour: Christ Jesus, as we look forward to being united with Jesus for our marraige to Jesus in Heaven, then we return with Jesus to Earth to live in the New Jerusalem, where there will be no more pain and suffering. Do not steal the joy of all of us believers in Christ Jesus, as we look forward to His return for us at any moment, without any prophetic sign or event to take place. Come Lord Jesus, may today be the day You return for Your Bride, the Body of Christ, the Church. Peace and Maranatha.
Ever since I had received Christ as Lord and Savior, I had always heard preachers say...A Pre Tribulation rapture... I never questioned it, most of my biblical knowledge was from what pastors had spoken of from the pulpit. This one Tuesday evening, I received a call from a very dear friend and pastor...he invited me to a closed door meeting, which was held for Canada's main denominational church leaders. I, instantly got a bit nervous.. thinking "What if they ask me for what I believed". Since I had no knowledge as to which scriptures to point to and fall upon...I decided that I should pray, and ask Holy Spirit for His guidance. I prayed..and He answered me with a question: "Do you think that if true Believers were raptured before the Tribulation, that those left behind would open up My book, and read it for themselves?". To which I replied: " No! They couldn't care less." That's when He said: True Believers will be going through the Tribulation and then taken up to be with Christ." Suddenly, Matthew 24: 29 - 31 came to mind...yet earlier I had no scriptures to fall upon, to point to otherwise. The following morning, the conference began, most if not all church leaders were of the pre Trib rapture... throughout the day I was waiting for the appropriate time to share what Holy Spirit had told me the previous evening. At the closing of the meeting, we were asked to share what we believed: I told them, what Holy Spirit had shown me... I was given the opportunity and spoke out... I was not well greeted, I was told that I was out of line...then suddenly 2 leaders spoke up in my defense..yet, the majority overruled, and the conference came to a close. Since then, I have held the Post Tribulation/ Pre Wrath of God stance... Based on Matthew 24: 29 - 31. Folks read God's Holy book, and be blessed... don't always depend on preachers, they can be wrong.
Hello brothers. You knocked it out of the park up until the 35 minute mark. Great job finding the understanding of Rev 3:10 in John 17. That is a great piece of ammo...thank you thank you.
Revelation 6:10-11 King James Version 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, *until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled* *THEIR WAITING FOR US*
Hi from the UK! I'm so glad I found you guys - Mark's view on Revelation is pretty much the same as mine - and its taken a lifetime for me to get here. I came from a Plymouth Bretheren background, so I was brought up with a strong pre-trib theology. Over time I came to reject that view, as the text does not support it. Matthew 24 to start with - Jesus himself - refutes it. The Lord showed me Revelation is primarily poetic, and allegorical, and cannot be read either literally, or sequentially. Its an amazing book - heavily tied to old testament imagery. For example - Rev 12:1-6 is about the birth of Christ! Mike Heiser has done a good analysis of this passage, and he thinks the imagery describes star signs - so much so he's been able to work out the exact day Jesus was born (11th Sept, 4 BC if memory serves) If that's true, this passage is AFTER the 7 trumpets!! So it simply does not make sense to read this chronologically - or literally. The take away for me is simple - no one recognised Christ the first time around, because they werent looking for him. They simply ignored the suffering servant passages. The people wanted a different Christ to the one who came. I dont think we have learnt much. Thank you!
Agree 💯.... Your arguments are the same as mine. John writes like a great author or movie maker. He doesn't write chronologically but topically. All your examples are what I have also pondered and studied out to come to the same conclusion as you! In the parable of the Wheat and Tares the Wheat remains and the weeds are removed. Noah goes through the storm and not removed but protected. We as Believers will go through persecution. He's preparing us FOR persecution! Why else stand firm?
John was commanded to write down the things he saw to show God's servants what must soon take place. He was told to write about the things he has seen, the things that are, and the things that are to come (in chronological order). Life usually follows that pattern in written form. Chapter 1 is the past. Chapter 2 and 3 are the present. We are in Rev 3:14-22, the church of Laodicea. It's the great apostacy, the great falling away. Church membership is decreasing around the world and especially in America. Humanism has replaced God, science has replaced wisdom. So that means that the future starts with Rev 4:1 "come up here" said the trumpet voice. And away we go. bye bye.
There seems to be an inordinate desire by some for the church to go through the tribulation - clearly at the expense of "hope" and "comfort". And it is intertwined with salvation by works. Salvation is complete in the death of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection. And that is true during the period of grace. The period of wrath, the tribulation, is different. During the tribulation, salvation will depend upon not worshipping and taking the mark of the beast and likely being beheaded for one's profession of faith. That is very clearly stated in Revelation. The Apostle Paul, in contrast, speaks of the church period in which some disobedient believers are "saved yet so as by fire". Obviously, they failed to be obedient, yet at one time they professed faith, and they were still saved. The key to the church age is that God does not "step out" and manifest His presence in any discernible way so that the key is truly "faith". Without faith, it is impossible to please God. Not so, during the tribulation which is following a well defined series of known judgments that are supernatural in origin. Only the most hard hearted of individuals will reject what they see with their own eyes. It is obvious that the church age and the tribulation follow distinctly different sets of rules. Faith is key to salvation in the church age, while obedience unto death is key during the tribulation. Post-tribulation rapture is simply pure nonsense. Go back to Daniel 9:24. "70 weeks are decreed for YOUR people" And it goes on to define the first 69 weeks leading up to the arrival of the Messiah. Then it states that there will be a period of wars. And finally, the 70th week, i.e., the seven year tribulation, and the appearance of the antichrist is mentioned. So what does "your people" mean? Clearly, it is Daniel's people - the Jews. The 70th week is all about Israel. We know that the Jews will be called (144K) to witness using the tribulation. OK, why? Because the Christians have been removed - raptured BEFORE the tribulation. From then on the focus is on Israel and Jerusalem. The Jews will be the early preachers of the Gospel during the tribulation. And that is one of the reasons why the antichrist attacks Israel mid-tribulation.
Most preacher, teachers say: I'm just teaching what I've been taught. Having never looked into it for themselves. Also denominational peer pressure is overbearing bin most denominations,. Tow the line or else.
wonderful job guys! it was the use of the scripture and pulling it together seamlessly, as it should be coming from one source- God the Father, that cleared things up and made sense out of many poor interpretations of partial passages. Keep on keep'n on!!!
Thank you for part two... This subject makes people upset, so continuing with the truth for the next generation is important. New believers wonder, like I did, why the KJV Bible wasn't telling us about a rapture before the Antichrist. Frankly, I knew God sent us to earth for service and His glory, but I kept my mouth shut because my friends were mad if I said anything against it during Bible study. I know the Lord will open eyes and ears to this truth you present here. I'm praying this will teach understanding.
*HE HAS TO FULFILL IT TO SAVE US* Isaiah 9:19 *Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened , and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother* *who is the Lord of Hosts* ?? *JESUS IS* AS NOTED Isaiah 44:6 King James Version 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, *and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last* ; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 22:13 King James Version 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, *the first and the last* .Jeremiah 1:12 “ *Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it* .” Luke 21: 20-22 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 *Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains* ; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 *For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled* Luke 21:31-36 KJV So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, *till all be fulfilled* 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on *ALL* them that dwell on the face of the whole earth 36 *Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass* , and to stand before the Son of man *WORTHY TO ESCAPE IS NOT THE RAPTURE BUT BEING WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE WRATH OF GOD AS NOTED EARLIER IN THE TEXT JESUS SAYS FLEE RUN TO THE HILLS HE IS TELLING YOU TO RUN ESCAPE AND HIDE*
Is the "hour of trial" in Rev. 3:10 a reference to "tribulation" or "wrath"? Or are you using "tribulation" and "wrath" interchangably in making your argument?
Mark, if you and your faculty are interested in having a guest on your TH-cam channel to go deeper into this issue, I broke away from Pretribism in the late 90's while attending a pre-trib Bible college. I appreciate the content that you have shared, and would like to collaborate, as there is quite a bit more scriptural evidence for a post-trib rapture to be shared and deeply solemn reasons to share it. Getting this information to the church is paramount for her preparation to face the antichrist as we inch yet closer to the last days. Reach out to me soon. Tim
Yes! it is circuitous! The seals are the long story (thousands of years), the trumpets are the shorter story (100 yrs or so), and the vials are the very short story (three and a half years) that all end at Armageddon.
A comment on your comment 😉 about the anitchrist being here without us possibly knowing and doing stuff and then Yeshua turning up… Yeah, NA❗️ We are given more than enough information about the anitchrist and the plethora of stuff that will be happening that you would have to be one of the deceived not to be able to recognise him when he arises. I was surprised that you didn’t make a similar comment 😮 REALLY getting some solid stuff out of this thanks fellas‼️ 🙏
*HE HAS TO FULFILL IT TO SAVE US* Isaiah 9:19 *Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened , and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother* *who is the Lord of Hosts* ?? *JESUS IS* AS NOTED Isaiah 44:6 King James Version 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, *and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last* ; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 22:13 King James Version 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, *the first and the last* .Jeremiah 1:12 “ *Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it* .” Luke 21: 20-22 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 *Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains* ; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 *For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled* Luke 21:31-36 KJV So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, *till all be fulfilled* 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on *ALL* them that dwell on the face of the whole earth 36 *Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass* , and to stand before the Son of man *WORTHY TO ESCAPE IS NOT THE RAPTURE BUT BEING WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE WRATH OF GOD AS NOTED EARLIER IN THE TEXT JESUS SAYS FLEE RUN TO THE HILLS HE IS TELLING YOU TO RUN ESCAPE AND HIDE BASICALLY CHRIST HAS TO FULFILL ALL WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IT ALL HAS TO BE FULFILLED*
Also, we must understand that the trumpets and bowls happen simultaneously, so we see all of these things described, but it's all happening at the same time in the only way that John could describe them.
You make some strong points. Rev. 3:10 is where I hang my "pre-trib hat" - I see in Rev. 13:7-8 that there are believers on the earth and that every tribe, tongue and nation is given under the authority of the Dragon/Beast. But the promise in Rev. 3:10 is not to all believers, but only to those believers who are OVERCOMERS. They are "kept from" and the only way I can see them being "kept from" is if they are "removed from." Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego were "kept in" but Lot and Noah were "kept from." Lot was not told to shelter in place. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Matthew 24 (Pay attn: to the Sun) 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
There is zero scriptural support for a pre trib “secret” rapture, mid trib rapture or post trib rapture. There is abundant scriptural support for the Dead in Christ and Saints alive at the time of Christ’s return to rise immortal, changed into spirit and meet Him in the air at the sounding of the last or 7th trump ( Matt 24:29= episunago, 1 Cor 15:52, 1 Thess 5:17= harpazo, 2 Thess 2:1=episunagoge. Next: The word Rapture doesn’t appear in any form in the Bible. It’s from the Medieval Latin “raptura” 16C. There are no references to the word in early Greek manuscripts. The etymology of the 16C word = seizure, rape, kidnapping (from Latin raptus), a carrying off, abduction, snatching away, rape (see rapt). The earliest attested use in English is with women as objects i.e. rape(Online Etymology Dictionary). Next: The Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord are 2 different successive cataclysmic events that last a total of 3.5 years or 42 months or 1260 days (Rev 11:2-3, 12:6, 14). Next: Objection #2 @ 26:40 about the church not being mentioned from Rev ch 6-18. The 144,000 in ch 7 are the Church martyrs who “ loved not their lives unto death “ 12:11. They are in the trib bc they are lukewarm saints described in the Laodicean church in 3:14-19 whom God did not protect. The Church that is protected is the Woman of ch 12 that flees v6 to her “place prepared of God” also v14. This place is stated as “wilderness” in both verses and cannot refer to heaven. Unless some believe Heaven is a wilderness which is preposterous.
3x in John 6 Jesus talks about us being raised "on the last day". Matthew 24:29-31, Jesus says, "after the tribulation if those days, THEN YOU WILL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS WITH HIS MIGHTY ONES." In order to make a pre- trib rapture to work, you have to twist what is stated plainly by the Lord in order to make it fit into our understanding. I love the Lord and His Word, for He is the Word incarnate. The Holy Spirit will teach you His Word, but you must be open to His teaching. As it still is today, nobody knows the hour or the day, but we can read the signs if the times as stated in scriptures. Do not bow to the doctrines of demons. The Lord stated it plainly, let's take Him at His Word.
THE REASON THE WORD "CHURCH" DOESNT APPEAR AFTER THAT POINT IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION(S) IS BECAUSE THE CENSER HAS BEEN THROWN DOWN AND THE "DAILY" HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY--AND THEREFORE GOD DOES NOT DEAL WITH PEOPLE (INCLUDING THE CHURCH) ON A CORPORATE LEVEL. IT SWITCHES TO DEALING WITH MEN ON AN "INDIVIDUAL" LEVEL. Two altars = two services. One for Israel corporately, and one for individually. The original Greek NEVER said, "until the daily "sacrifice" was taken away"...it said the daily "service." Next point...you stated that the Israelites went through the 10 plagues "with" the Egyptians, but were supernaturally protected by God. God explicitly stated, Himself, that He was making a distinction between His people and the Egyptians at THE FOURTH PLAGUE (flies). There is no pretrib rapture. Many faithful believers will be supetnaturally protected until Jesus appears in the clouds. Almost all the 14400 will be martyred. God bless.
Why is it that the word resurrection has been replaced by the word rapture? Why is this passage of the Scripture always so twisted around? So much controversy is causing confusion among God's people.
Very interesting, but Mark please please slow your speech down, sounds like your in a competition as to how many words per minute you can utter, detracts from your message Brother!!!!!
Jesus’ Complete end time teaching, RIGHTLY DIVIDED: Jesus taught BOTH the second coming AND the pretrib rapture in His Olivet Discourse: The disciples asked Jesus three questions in Matt. 24:3. We can rightly divide end time events by following the answers given by Jesus. Question # 1. When will these things be? Jesus answered it in Matt. 24:4-8, calling His answer the beginning of birth pains. There are no trib specific visible signs mentioned in Jesus’ answer; only general things which have always been in place. So, this is Jesus saying end time birth pains begin when life as we know it is in place. Question #2. What is the sign of Your coming? Jesus answered it in Matt. 24:9-31 where He described specific visible signs of THE Tribulation and His second coming to earth. In His description He tells us it will occur AFTER the trib, (24:29) the most horrific period of time known to mankind (24:21), He will appear to ALL the tribes of the land (24:31), and we know from Rev. 11;3, 7, and 13:5, the second coming will occur on a KNOWN day; day 2,520 of the trib. (1,260 days + 1,260 days (42 months)= 2,520 days). This is His teaching about the second coming. So, second coming scriptures mention or describe a trib specific visible sign. Life as we know it now will end when Jesus comes at the pretrib rapture. Question #3. What is the sign of the end of the age? Jesus answered this in Matt. 24:36-25:30. He stated He will come on an UNKNOWN day (Matt. 24:36, Mark 13:32), during NORMAL LIFE (24:37-41/Luke 17:26-30, the birth pains in which we now live). He used parables to teach us He will appear to ONLY those who belong to Him (servants of 24:45-51/virgins of 25:1-13/slaves of 25:14-30) instead of all the tribes of the land. His parables give no indication that those who belong to the Lord/Bridegroom had any visible warnings their masters were about to arrive. The Lord/Bridegroom simply showed up surprising those who were not ready for His appearance. Luke 17:20 tells us the kingdom of God will come without observation (ocular evidence 1857/4655). This is Jesus' teaching of the pretrib rapture. As a result, rapture scriptures do not mention, or describe any trib specific visible signs. Jesus can't come only once on BOTH a known and unknown day. He can't come only once BOTH after the worst affliction ever seen by man AND during normal life. He can't come only once BOTH with and withOUT visible signs. He can't come only once appearing to only those who belong to Him (rapture) AND appearing to all the tribes of the land. Jesus must fulfill His prophesy about coming during normal life, at an unknown day/hour, appearing to only those who belong to Him (1 Thess. 4:13-17), withOUT any visible warning (Luke 17:20). To do this He must come BEFORE the tribulation begins because the trib is nothing but visible warning signs which mark the passage of time to the KNOWN day of the second coming.
The Greek text for Rev 3:10 literally-reads, "I-will-be-guarding/watching-over you (singular, Philadelphia church) from-out-of the hour (singular) of-the "Peirasmos" (temptation) (singular), the [temptation] presently-being-about to-presently-come-upon the whole inhabited earth, to-at-some-point-be-tempting the [ones] presently-dwelling-down upon the earth." God's repeated use of present-active Greek verbs and participles is utterly inconsistent with a rapture- rescue before a period of "Thlipsis" (tribulation), ~2000 years yet future.
1 Peter 4:17-19 is where we learn the separation of God's house is the BEGINNING judgment of end time events; the righteous are separated from the UNgodly (impious, irreverent, wicked 765) AND the sinners (those who miss the mark so as to NOT share in the prize 264/268). The righteous make it and are barely saved, but those of both other groups are seen elsewhere. Matthew 7:21-23 tells us what Jesus will say to those rejected by Him at the rapture, the Ungodly of 1 Pet. 4:17-19, at the meeting in the clouds. 1 Thess. 4:17. Matthew 8:11-12, 22:10-14, 24:48-51, 25:30, Luke 13:24-30, 12:35-40, 12:41-46 are the scriptures where we learn that outer darkness is where Jesus casts those rejected by Him. Outer darkness must be earth during the trib. because neither the Sheep/Goat or Great White Throne Judgments give outer darkness as an option for those who are judged at them; either life or hell being the only destinations given at those judgments. This means outer darkness, defined by the Greek as ‘exterior obscurity’ (1857/4655) is a NON-heaven/hell destination at some other judgment. The only end time judgment remaining, after the exclusion of the Sheep/Goat and GWT, IS the pretrib rapture, the beginning judgment at which Jesus utters the words of Matt. 7:21-23. Outer darkness, exterior obscurity, being the place where Jesus sends those to whom He says the words, ‘Depart from Me. I DO NOT KNOW you, you workers of iniquity.” Interestingly enough, obscurity is defined as the state of being UNKNOWN, so Jesus is casting into the exterior unknown those who are unknown. 1 Peter 1:7-9 tells us we obtain the end of our faith, the salvation of our souls at the appearance of Jesus. Jesus appears at the rapture, in contrast to His return to earth at the second coming. So, at the rapture, the appearance of Jesus, either you are permitted to leave with Him for the marriage supper (the righteous of 1 Pet. 4:17-19), OR you are Ungodly (carnal Christian) who is cast back to earth to enter THE Trib with the sinners of this world. If you are cast back after being rejected by Jesus, it is quite likely, NOT mandatory, but very likely you will be among those who will comprise the falling away which occurs just prior to the appearance of the man of sin. 2 Thess. 2:2-3. So, yeah, what you believe about the rapture is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, and could very well cost you, not only your attendance at the marriage supper, but, if you forfeit your salvation after being rejected by Jesus, even cost you your chance at heaven! Heb. 6:4-8. The rapture is very much a salvation issue. If there is any doubt about the accuracy of this comment, you can find Jesus’ description of this process in the parable of the servants, Matt. 24:45-51, parable of the ten virgins, Matt. 25:1-13, and parable of the talents, Matt. 25:14-30. In those stories, Jesus describes three different times how He will separate those who BELONG TO HIM, rewarding the faithful/wise/good WHILE PUNISHING the wicked/foolish/worthless, their appearance being elsewhere than with the righteous, EXACTLY as 1 Pet. 4:17-19 teaches. The Bible interprets the Bible when it is understood correctly. If you still feel the need to discount the rapture scenario given here, you need to ask yourself what other purpose all these scriptures serve. ALL these scriptures are in the Bible for a reason. Each of them serves a purpose. The purpose you decide upon must not create contradiction with the rest of the Bible, or it is not truth. These scriptures do not fail to serve the purpose stated in this comment simply because you are offended by what they teach. Prophesy is not concerned with hurt feelings, the popular vote, or the warm fuzzy things we tell ourselves to feel justified in disagreeing with God's word. Doctrine will come to pass EXACTLY as Jesus taught it in the Olivet Discourse. Matt. 24:35, Mark 13:31.
Ecclesiastes 9 :5 (Pay attn. to the SUN ) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. (This tells us that all we have is gone except forthe spirit, breath of life. This is our SIMM chip. It holds all our info, what we have seen, done, smelled, tasted, family and friends & sins. God holds it.)
If you're not going to read the whole context and how can you figure it out you've got to read the whole Bible here are there a little here a little the Bible says they're a little
Idols in your heart Jesus lives in your heart there's no idols in your heart I can tell whether you know what you're talking about or not that's where Jesus lives in your heart apostle Paul says the battles in the mind
In the Bible the mind is very often called the “heart”. For example, “Out of the heart the mouth speaks” means what you are thinking comes out of your mouth.
So good! Great tribulation starts halfway through final seven years (Matt 24:15). It coincides with time that Satan is cast out of heaven "having great wrath" (Rev 12:12). So the wrath we see for most of the great tribulation is the wrath of Satan, not the wrath of God! At the very end of the great tribulation, at the sound of God's trumpet, the people of God will rise in the rapture and meet the Lord in the air and will return to heaven with the Him (30 days prior to the second coming). We see a glimpse of what's happening with the rapture church in Rev 15, just before God's wrath is released on the earth in the form of the great bowl judgments of Rev 16. So we see the church is not appointed to God's wrath for the bowl judgments are poured out on those who have received the mark of the beast (ie. unbelievers). This is what I believe the scripture indicates, howbeit by no means am I dogmatic in this belief. But it does account for the difference in the 1290 days of Dan 12:11 and the 1260 days of Rev 11:3. Note that the two witnesses rise from the dead at the rapture of the church, and return with Christ and his church 30 days later at the battle of Armegeddon.
This is for the pre-tribbers. Our Blessed Hope is the Resurrection unto life not a so called secret pre-trib rapture. The second coming of Christ on the last day IS that hope. Not your get out of tribulation free card you hang onto more than Christ himself. Go preach the Gospel not escapism.
He's talking about their souls he's going to keep their souls do not fear Satan for he can only destroy your body fear God cuz he can destroy your body and your soul
YES...god doesnt need to take the church out of the tribulation in order to potect the saints. If you look at 1 Thessalonians 4, you will see whats going to happen and then in Matthew 24 we see when it will happen. Please take notice, in both of these examples, that Jesus will snatch away his bride to meet him in the air at the sound of a trumpet. Easy peasy.
One problem with post tribulation rapture is who will repopulate the earth after the tribulation if everyone is raptured at the end where everyone will have resurrected bodies? Matthew 22:30 says: For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven. How can the earth be repopulated when angels can't reproduce? There will be people being saved during the tribulation and many will lose their lives because of their belief in Jesus Christ. Revelation 7:13-15. Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes and where did they come from?" And I said to him, "Sir, you know. " So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple. There will be believers, who came to salvation during the tribulation, who survive the tribulation and will have their natural bodies and will reproduce during the millennium. Also, there are many who believe that the last part of the tribulation is the great tribulation or the great day of the Lord when Revelation 7 clearly states that there are the ones who came out of the great tribulation. This is happening at least before the seven trumpet judgments. Revelation 1:19-20. Therefore, write these things which you have seen and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches. Where are the churches? In heaven. Revelation 3:10. I will also keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth. Revelation 1:1-3. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants, things which must shortly
Or certainly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all the things he saw. Blessed is He who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near. There is a blessing to those who who read and hear this prophecy. This is what happens when you don't take the Bible literally. There is plain literal and figurative literal and both are used in the Bible and God's word tells us when the figurative literal can be applied. 1:17. It also appears , and correct me if I am wrong, that they are teaching replacement theology where they teach that the church has replaced Israel which is patently false. If God doesn't fulfill his promises that He made to Israel then why would we rely on the promises He made to believers? The main purpose of the tribulation is to bring national salvation to the Jews but also for the judgment of an unbelieving world. Jeremiah 30:7. Alas! For that day is great. There is none like it. And it is the time of Jacob's trouble. But he will be saved out of it. This is a future prophecy for Israel. Read all of Daniel 12, as a matter of fact read all of the book of Daniel. Daniel 12:7. I heard the man clothed in dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times and half a time; as soon as they finish shattering the power of the Holy people, all these things will be completed. This is another prophecy concerning Israel. How about Daniel's 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27. Seventy weeks has been decreed for your people, Israel, and your holy city, Jerusalem, to 1.finish the transgression 2.to make an end to sin 3.to make atonement for inequity 4.to bring in everlasting righteousness 5.to seal up vision and prophecy 6.to annoint the most holy place. Once again, this is a future prophecy for Israel. Matthew 23:37-38. Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings and you were unwilling. Behold, you house is being left to you desolate! For I say from now on you will not see me until you say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!" Again, this is another future prophecy for Israel which will be fulfilled by Daniel's 70 week prophecy in the middle of the tribulation when the antichrist will break the pact that he made with the Jews. What these men are teaching in probably on the the most agregious examples of bad eschatology that I have ever seen.
They have much bigger problems than that . Jesus said that "no one knows the day nor the hour except the Father in heaven". But in the last chapter of Daniel, Daniel asks the angel "How long until all these things are fulfilled?" and the angel tells him "1290 days." or three and a half years. Three and a half years from a certain event ,which is the anti-christ entering the temple and proclaiming himself to be God. If the Church remains on the earth through the Tribulation, then they will know the day of Christ's return, 1290 days from the day they see the antichrist enter the temple. So if anyone insists the Church will go through the Tribulation, then they make a liar out of Jesus. The only way out of this contradiction is if the church is raptured, and there are many other good explanations in the Bible of why they are raptured pre-trib. I learned about this argument from Daniel, from Dr. David Hocking on You Tube in a four part series explaining why there is a pre-trib rapture. I would also highly recommend his explanation of the book of Daniel and Revelation...the depth of understanding is incredible.
That's not a problem only for the Post-Tribulation view. All that's needed is for there to be a sufficient population of unbelievers who didn't join the beast's army. Note that Revelation does not say these will all have been killed. Their number could include so-called Christians who weren't true Christians yet refused to take the mark, others who refused to take the mark, and still others who took the mark but didn't join the beast's army (e.g. women, infirm and elderly), and children too young to take the mark.
Not everyone left after the rapture dies in the wrath... "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith יהוה, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein." (Zechariah 13:8)
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
@@seasquawker I would not divide Revelation in two parts. The first 6 seals are identical with the Olivet Discourse. Mat 24:29-31 and Rev 6:12-17 cover His 2.coming with the Resurrection/Rapture, followed by His wrath. In Rev 7:9+13 we see the raptured in Heaven. In Rev 14 we see the Rapture as harvest, the same as Mat 13 the tares and the wheat. His 2.coming is described again in Rev 10:7+11:15-18; Rev 16:15-21 and Rev 19:11-15. We have 5 X 2.coming in Revelation, all with the wrath (orge) of God. The 2 witnesses in Rev 11 witness the last 3 1/2 years (Great earthquake). The 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are both His 2.coming.
I have been brought up on this pre trib rapture teaching . Having done my own study and research , it is clear that Christ returns after the tribulation . Those who came to the idea of a pre trib rapture have done so on the basis of a series of logical deductions from scripture. God is only bound to fulfill his words and not logical deductions.. One thing is synonymous with Christ's return : the gathering of the saints or the FIRST RESURRECTION. if we can know when the first RESURRECTION takes place, then we know the timing of the rapture ... that's the million dollar question.. Read revelation ch 20 1.to 6 .John places the first RESURRECTION after the tribulation .. hope this can be of some help ..
A person can’t read Matthew 24 and ever come up with a pre tribulation rapture. Jesus himself tells us when it would be in verse 29. “Immediately after the tribulation” What is it about “after” that so many Christians just don’t understand. It doesn’t mean before and it doesn’t mean in the middle it simply means after. Jesus was talking to four of his disciples and was answering their question of what will be the sign and when will it happen. Did they understand what Jesus was saying, go and check with marks account and lukes account and read what they said. They have no doubt as to what Jesus had said so here we have two witnesses testifying of what was said. I believed in a pre trib rapture for over 70 years until I thought I would do my own research as to whether it was pre trib or post trib. It finally hit me as though it was hidden there all the time in plain sight. I still wonder to this day how on earth did I not see this earlier on.
"The Last Trumpet" video at youtube.com/@rapturesolution explores New Testament and Old Testament Scriptures that put the last trumpet into perspective. I hope this is in accord with your comments at the outset of your video saying that Scripture itself is our guide. So this last trumpet video explores quite a number of Scriptures, starting with First Corinthians, and branching out from there.
Scripture references start at 17:10. At 21:00 Jesus said it would like the days of Noah and Lot, not Moses. Without a doubt, there will be believers in the last days. They come to believe after the pre-trib rapture. The primary purpose of the pre-trib rapture is to remove the restrainer (2 Thes 2:6) so that the AC can take power. Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (verse 37). There will be a flash of light and we leave our flesh on earth. The wicked will be unaware of what is going on at this event (Matt 24:39). Most are aware at the second coming (Rev 6:15-17). 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection for the saints (John 6:40-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52) which is on the last day, last trump. There will be famine rather than eating at the second coming. There will be drought rather than drinking at the second coming. There will be hyperinflation and the mark rather than robust economy (buying and selling) at the second coming. There will be violent storms, earthquakes, all vegatation is dead rather than planting and building at the second coming. Love will grow cold rather than weddings as the last days progress. Maranatha!
When the 2 witnesses are called up that's the 1st resurrection or rapture of the dead in Christ 1st then we who are alive and remain. Revelations is not in chronological order. It's an exploded view.
The Bible gives the exact definition of the "Two Witnesses." Please search your Bible closer because God put it there for the people living at this time to find. The Two Witnesses (taken verbatim from scripture) are the two olive trees and two lampstands. Then search for where the verbatim definition of these words... They are the Holy Spirit and Scripture. The 144000 (as the official and ONLY trustees of Jesus' testimony will be trying to tell many people the terms and conditions of salvation...but people will not entertain them until things get very bad. Once a person hears the message of Jesus (spoken through the 144000) the Holy Spirit will move in the person to attest that they are telling the truth (for there is much deception). The scriptures will attest to their message perfectly and with clarity as well. If a person who has heard the message, then doesn't respond to the stirring of the Holy Spirit (i.e. blasphemes the Holy Spirit) (the first witness), and doesn't choose to beliieve the scriptures (the second witness)...that person is judged and condemned to eternal death (I.e. people will be condemned upon the testimony of two witnesses). God bless.
There are many examples of resurrection to life starting with Enoch. Then Elijah, then Lazarus, then Jesus, then the church at the rapture, then the two witnesses, then all the martyrs who die for Christ at the end of the Tribulation. Many times through the Bible people will be resurrected to life. There is only one resurrection to damnation and that is at the end of Revelation at the Great White Throne. And all those people who are at that judgment end up in the lake of fire. We are currently in Revelation 3:14-21, the church of Laodicea. The next event is Revelation 4:1 "Come up here"
@@changingmatrix8687 The two witnesses are Moses and Elijah. They are real people and do not represent the church. Rev 11:3-6 God reveals the purpose for the rebuilding of the Temple; to make the ministry of the two witnesses more effective. The ministry of these two prophets is to bear witness that the law and the prophets proclaim the Lordship of Jesus Christ as the Messiah. These two witnesses will be in the city of Jerusalem at the Temple Mount, prophesying to the Jews about Jesus Christ. They play a pivotal role in Israel being converted as a nation. The two witnesses minister during the first half of the Tribulation. They reveal the spiritual significance of everything the priest does, and how it points to Jesus as the Messiah. They are there during the construction of the Temple. When the ministry of the two witnesses is complete, the beast will attack and kill them. The Anti-Christ kills them before he goes into the Temple and demands to be worshipped. That is when the abomination of desolation occurs.
Acts 2:9 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, (Acts was written 1000 years + - after David ruled. Why do you go to heaven immediatly after death and he could not? This would mean that you have immortality, BUT you do not.
It does not help me, to understand, words spoken at a ridiculous speed. I’m interested and am at about the end of the video. I hope this is the only video, that the speed of one, causes confusion.
You can click on the settings button (the little knobby wheel) at the bottom of the video and change the speed of playback. If it is too fast, you can slow it down. I usually speed it up but didn't need to on this video. God bless
Read John 14 Jesus teaching on the rapture. Also Isaac and Rebecca meeting in the middle, Jewish wedding 7 days long. There are 2 rapture, church pre, Israel post. If you want to be Israel you go thru the tribulation if you are lusting after the physical kingdom. All saints are not the same.
If salvation can't be lost for christians now, then how can today's Christians be in the great tribulation where the mark of the beast can damn them to a lake of fire? The truth is that they can't be there. Salvation in the great tribulation is faith plus works.
Brandon, with great love and concern for you, please reconsider teaching that salvation will be by faith plus works. Paul said that anyone who teaches a gospel other than his should be damned or accursed. You are dangerously close to that. Second, Christians that go back to observing the law can be lost. They will be severed from Christ. The same goes for those who go back to a life of sin. Paul warns both groups in Galatians 5. Also, any Christian who takes the mark of the beast will be lost. It appears you subscribe to the dispensational view of scripture. I truly hope you are humble enough to examine what you believe. Please read Ephesians 2 and 3. The mystery of Christ is therein revealed and that mystery destroys the dispensation view of the bible. If you don't want to hear anything that contradicts your beliefs, not even scripture itself, then please disregard all that I have said as it won't make any difference. Here's hoping you will be open to the Word. God bless
@@Landis_Grant salvation is a gift, we receive, when we are born again,All our past sins are forgiven. But in our walk as believers, we have to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh. Gal 5:19+20 tells us, what will exclude us from God's Kingdom. Salvation is secure in Christ, but conditional. If we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven, only one example, there are more. Again. Do not be deceived.
@@thembinkosidube2188 If You are Washed by The Blood of The Lamb, It Shows by your Actions. It's Automatic, because You are Filled with The Holy Spirit, You Will Know and Everyone Else Around You Will Know, Impossible Not to
1 Corinthians 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
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The problem i see with posts trib i that some how God is going to pour out his wrath but you believe that some how you will not be affected . And they say the pre trib people will fall away if they have to go through the tribulation. But what happens when the rapture happens before the tribulation. The post trib people will be the ones who will have a harder time because they weren't looking for the rapture then .he comes as a theif in the night that ten virgins only 5 were ready the other 5 didn't think he was coming then . If pretrib people get it wrong why would you think we would give up ?
You need to pay closer attention to what Scripture actually says about tribulation and wrath and who suffers what and at whose hands. The NT passages that actually say who *God* pours His wrath out on are: Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; John 3:36; Romans 2:18; 2:5, 8; 3:5; 5:9; 9:22; 12;29; 13:4-5; Ephesians 2:3; 5:6; Colossians 3:5-6; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:16; 5:9; Revelation 11:18; 14:9-10, 19; 16:1-21; 19:11-21. God's discipline & chastisement (cf. Hebrews 13:5-11) is not to be equated with His wrath. And neither tribulation (Matthew 23:18-33; 24:3-30; John 16:33) nor Satan's warring against the saints (Revelation 12:9-13:17) is to be confused with God's wrath. God is perfectly capable of pouring out His wrath on only those opposed to Him just as He did for Israel in Egypt when afflicting the Egyptians with the ten plagues.
- Last trump is NOT the 7th trump - Tribulation (for us) is NOT wrath/vengeance/judgement on UNbelievers - parousia/2nd Coming with ANGELS is NOT same as 'return' after marraige of the Lamb with US/ holy 10,000's in Rev 19
Paul gives as the timing of the Resurrection/Rapture at the last trump.. He does not say, the last trump is the trump of God, but it says, that when the 7th trump of revelation sounds (Rev 10:7), the secret (1.Cor 15:51) will be fulfilled, that is the resurrection with the Rapture. Nobody says that the coming for the Rapture in the clouds and the return are the same, but they happen the same day (Luke 17:29+30; 2.Thess 2:1; 1.Thess 5:1-5), both at His 2.coming, there is no other coming in scripture!
In the 36th minute there is some discussion about Revelations repeating events from different angles and the sky being rolled up as a scroll, multiple times. Rev 19 & 20 gives us the clearest order of events as far as the overall order. Somewhere in Rev 19, the plagues are completed in conjunction with the 2nd Coming events of Jesus. By the end of Rev 19, the Great Tribulation period is fully completed, as are all the plaques and the physical judgments. Like the Exodus plaques, the saved are spared from some of them, but not all of them. The wrath of God that all Christians are spared from, is hell and the lake of fire. In chapter 20, Satan is put away for 1000 years while Jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years. At Jesus' coming, in Rev 19, all the dead in Christ, are Resurrected and the living saints are gathered to meet them in the air but are not changed (because this only happens at the Last Trump and the last Trump only occurs on the last earth day before the earth is burned up with fire.) At the end of the 1000 years, a second resurrection occurs (Rev 20:5), and Jesus goes back into Heaven. Satan is released to deceive the world for maybe 500 or 5000 years, then at the end of this period, the world gathers around Jerusalem to destroy the saints, and God intervenes. This is when the living saints are instantly transformed and brought to the place of the Great White Throne judgment. This is when there is a third resurrection of the saints who have died since the end of the 1000 year reign. This is also when all the living unsaved are killed and then brought to the Great White Throne Judgment along with the unsaved dead. All the resurrected Saints from all three resurrections will be here too. Everyone is here. The earth is destroyed and in chapter 21, after the period of Judgment, the saints are brought to the New Heaven and the new earth. The others are sent to hell and the lake of fire. At the 2nd Coming, when all Christians from all time are gathered in the air, God is going to fight against many enemies. There may be some who repent. Those who do, if they do not have the Mark, but are still killed the events which take place, will have to wait till the end of the 1000 years for the 2nd resurrection event. In the mean time, they will be in Heaven waiting for that day. The saints who where gathered alive along with some unsaved and newly saved who were not killed at the 2nd Coming, will be the people who can still reproduce and have families and children during the millennium and beyond. If all the living Christians were changed and if all the unsaved we're killed, this would not be possible.
What is the point of having a rapture after tribulation...then having things go on as normal for 1000 years? No. I don't agree. By the way, I noticed you made reference to the Book of Revelations. That really brought a smile to my face because it was always called the Book of Revelations to me (and many others). Unfortunately, we are now in the Counterfeit Kingdom and most people don't even see it! Go check the name of Revelations in the Bible for yourself. Then go check Isaiah 11:6 (the Lion shall lie down with the Lamb...). Prepare yourself before you go check. God bless.
I would love to debate these guys, I haven't started watching this video yet but I already know what they're going to say, there is no scripture for a pre-tribulation rapture. Nowhere in scripture says we're going to be pulled up before the tribulation
Jesus comes like a thief to the unbelievers because they don't expect Him. He comes with the shout and trumpet to the believers...a very loud big event.
Started by the disciple John ,who wrote Revelation, taught it to his disciple Polycarp who then taught it to his disciple Irenaeus. Irenaeus then wrote a book called "Against Heresy". And guess what one of the heresies he dealt with was ? That there is no pre-trib rapture. Boy it sure pays to know church history , doesn't it?
@@markanthony3275 This is a recent claim by people like Mike Golay and Lee Brainard that is entirely false. It has been thoroughly debunked. *No* scholar of the early church fathers has ever found any evidence of pre-tribulationism in them.
I am post trib, however the pre tribers do have a good explanation for who lives on earth in the 1,000 yr millennium. Who do you say will be here? People need to procreate and glorified bodies do not procreate
Remember what Jesus said about sorting out the sheep from the goats? The sheep are those nations and remnants of nations that treated His people Israel favourably, the goats are those who hated Israel. The people from the sheep nations that survived ( according to Revelation just over half of the world's population is killed) will re-populate the world.
All that's needed is for there to be a sufficient population of unbelievers who didn't join the beast's army. Note that Revelation does not say these will all have been killed. Their number could include so-called Christians who weren't true Christians yet refused to take the mark, others who refused to take the mark, and still others who took the mark but didn't join the beast's army (e.g. women, infirm and elderly), and children too young to take the mark.
Yeah The Bible is clear that the wrath of God is poured out on them who know not God not on god's children they are sealed and prothat's why in revelations he tells the the angels to hold back what it's with that you're to do not arm the trees at all that. Until the children has a God has been sealed in their foreheads.
The verse which says "but you are not in darkness that that day will surprise you". Plus the surprise day is not always referring to the 2nd Coming but to the day when the Anti-Christ seats himself in the Temple of God. Also, Luke more focused on the 70 AD day when the Romans surrounded Jerusalem, preventing their escape. That day also surprised those who were not paying attention. The day when one is taken and one is left ... Some try to twist this into the one being taken is the one going to hell or the judgment, but like Noah's Day, most people will be focused on daily living and survival in the midst of all the plagues, and the 2nd Coming will catch them by surprise. Noah knew the day was coming for 100 years but he did not know the exact day till 7 days prior. Anyone he informed, just laugh it off since nothing had happened for 100 years since Noah began warning them. Christ does not come when the 1260 days end. It may be when the 1335 days end, but the starting date may be tricky to pinpoint, so the exact day of Christ's return is no certain. What is certain, is that when the daily sacrifices resume, we will know the exact date when they will be forced to end the daily sacrifices and when the anti-Christ makes his move, give it take 30 days. If United States is still a country, we will have about 1000 days to prepare a place to hide or to prepare for stockpiling goods which can be used to help others, and to get the word out to those who will listen to the Gospel. Farmers may have an advantage or people who own land away from the cities. Preparing to be a part of a helping network may help, if you can carefully set up networks with people you can trust. People with a Pre-Trib view will be less likely to care.
1.Thess 5:1-5 is His 2.coming. We will know this day, because of the revealing of the AC Mid-trib.. The thief comes at the Day of the Lord, when the heavens pass away (2.Peter 2:3:10), that is after the Tribulation, no doubt about it (Rev 16:15). Before that day, they say, peace and safety, the chaos comes with the Rapture, followed by the orge Wrath of God, the Sudden Destruction, this all happens at one day, the day of the Lord, which is His 2.coming, the beginning of the Millennium (Zech 14:7-9; Isa 10:17). The plagues are poured on the kingdom of the AC, not worldwide. One taken is the Rapture, the Greek word makes it clear, it is a taken to oneself, the same as Joseph took Mary as his wife, so Yeshua takes us to Himself in the Rapture. The taken for judgment in the days of Noah is a different Greek word. I do not believe, that the adding of 30 + 45 days to the 1260 days of the Tribulation refer to the Rapture, but to the gathering of the surviving Jews to Jerusalem, they will get their earthly inheritance together with the judgment of the nations later in the Millennium. I looked into the Greek of Mat 24:29, immediately has the meaning of at once, the following then etc has the meaning of "the same time", so all these events, great earthquake, sun and moon darkened and stars falling from heaven and mountains and islands move can happen the same time the Rapture happens, followed by the judgment at his return, all the same day (Luke 17:29+30). I agree, the sacrifices will end after 1150 days at Mid-trib. But the sacrifices can begin already before the temple is finished. I do not know, what you mean with the 30 days?
He needs to show down and figure out what he is saying. It seems like he is taking so fast that people don't have time to take in all that he is saying. Be a good Berean and read it for yourself.
The Lord Jesus can come with clouds and with his horse. Look in Daniel ch7 v9 when the Lord Jesus comes to destroy the antichrist it is not specified that he arrives on a mount we only speak of thrones yet according to you there are no thrones.
That is right, 2 events at the same day (Luke 17:29+30; 2.Thess 2:1; 1.Thess 5:1-5). The Greek for the coming in the clouds is erchomai, the Rapture, the coming with His Saints is parousia.
Exactly. The gathering (Christ's appearing) occurs immediately before the bowls, which is God's wrath. Then we return with Christ when He touches down on the Mt. of Olives.
We see them 3 times 7:9,14; 15:2; 19:1. Revelation is not chronological, Jesus 2.coming is in Rev 6:12-17; 11:15-18; 14:15-20; 16:15-21; 19:11-15 together with the wrath (orge) of God. Before the wrath is the Rapture, not always mentioned, but with the Bema in 11:18 after the Rapture.
@@benny-yj7pq why confuse 7 seals from 7 bowls, Great Tribulation from God's wrath...Great Tribulation is targeted on the Saints (The Elect/ Church) by the Devil or his agents and they that conquer shall inherit the kingdom of God,...,Then God's wrath (bowls) will target the rest of the world for failure to pay heed to God's word and falling into the deceit of the Antichrist and the Beast...either way all is God's Judgement on the Earth regardless of the agent used
The dead in Christ shall rise first those who remain on Earth will be caught up to meet him in the sky that's the post rapture pre-trib rapture two will be grinding in the mill one will be taken the other left behind he comes at the thief in the night
I think people that believe that the church has taken the place of Israel, believe in a post-tribulation rapture. I have to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. God's dealing with Israel is different from the church's. Jeremiah 30:7 Israel will be taken out of the tribulation and the church will be kept from the tribulation. Revelation 3:10. Also Luke 21:36, states to pray that we might be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass. God will not get rid of Israel, Jeremiah 31:31-37. Romans 9,10,11th chapter. Noah and Lot were the only two that Jesus pointed to compare the last days too. When did God's wrath come down in Noah's time, before, during, or after Noah entered the ark and was taken away? AFTER! Same thing with Lot. AFTER he left Sodom. So with the church, after the rapture, the tribulation will begin. Daniel prayed for Israel, not the church, and the 70th weeks of years were determined upon them. That's why it's called Jacob's or Israel's trouble. The church wasn't a part of the 69 weeks.
Where they go wrong is to assume that Mathew ch 24 is directed to the Church, but it is obvious from the context ( the abomination, the sabbath, the temple, the roof tops, the Judean countryside, the elect and the fig tree) that it is about Israel , specifically, Israel in the last half of the Tribulation. That's where Jesus starts His answer to his jewish disciple's question about what will be the sign of the end and of His return. "When you see the abomination of desolation..."
We are all called to become part of spiritual Israel, a message I saw is full of Scriptures that shows it: " Crossing Over: The Ones from Beyond (Part 1) ". Besides with your picture, do you know that our Savior probably looked a whole lot more like you than someone from England? Ever think about where all the lost tribes went to and why some races seem constantly persecuted by the world (satan)? Even in Africa there were a few tribes that were different than the others and they were persecuted by the other Africans. Then the other Africans worked with Arabians and Europeans to send them to the Americas greatly against their will. The whole story is still a few history books that haven't been whitewashed, and it's not a coincidence. It's time to awake o tribes of Israel !!! Blessings
@@markanthony3275 ... I think you've got Matt 24 kinda twisted. Jesus told the disciples that no stone of the temple will be left upon another. This was a shocking proclamation. What do mean? All of Jewish culture, history, & tradition surrounds the temple. So they ask Him in private, in Matt 24:3, "when will these things happen and what will be the sign of the end of the age?" If the temple is going to be destroyed, no stone left upon another, then they're asking about the end of the age of the old covenant, of Moses and the law. Much of Matt 24 is answering this question. The parallel passage in Luke 21:20 clearly tells us that the abomination of desolation is when they see Jerusalem surrounded by armies. References to fleeing to the mtns of Judea, not going back for your cloak, woe to nursing babies, etc, is about that time when the temple will be destroyed in the time of THAT generation. This all happened in 70 AD. Other verses in Matt 24 are about Jesus' 2nd coming, bc the disciples also asked Him about that in 24:3. Some verses might be taken to reference both 70 AD and the 2nd coming. But know this, that much of Matt 24 has been misinterpreted to just be about end times, when much of it is actually about 70 AD.
Watch FAI Studios "Maranatha Bible Studies" with Dalton Thomas on TH-cam if you want a very good explanation of the Church in the the Post Tribulation.
@@Landis_Grant we surely will soon see, hope you endure till the end friend.. hard times are coming all the nations will hate us for HIS NAME we will be arrested and put to death for holding to our testimony... Matthew 24 explains completely in chronological order .. Christ answering His disciples
@@seanc2788 You might be interested in the four part explanation from the Bible about why the Bible teaches a pre-trib rapture by Dr. David Hocking on You Tube. Also, his teaching of the entire books of Daniel and Revelation are by far the best I've ever heard...and I've heard plenty. For example, Dr. David points out that you can't understand any prophecy in Revelation unless you understand the book of Daniel because there are over seven hundred references from Daniel in the book of Revelation.
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8 You guys~! are unreal. You don't even know what the Hour of Temptation comprises of. The Tribulation is NOT attributed with being an hour, rather one week in on book of Daniel. Hear~! Here. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Revelation 10 John MacArthur should never walk with you 'heroes'. 3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3 Church has no power because of disobedience to scrip. 22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king. 1 Samuel 15 Next event for the church is the Midnight Cry of Matthau 25 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Matthew 25 God bless
What will the anti christ do here if all left are in his pocket?? There is no Rapture. You should believe in Jesus who is the resurrection and the life. Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (What is a soul? It is an equation. You cannot have a soul without both a body and spirit. You do not have a soul ratteling around in your body, you are a soul) James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (Breath of Life (Spirit, same hebrew word) and body = soul)' (Think of the breath of life as a SIMM chip in your phone. New, it has only the ability to keep the phone alive. It always has a link to its master, Service provider. As time goes on the SIMM gains your knowledge, Memories of contacts, pictures, notes etc. It is now like a Spirit. When the phone dies, the SIMM is removed and put in a new phone and it is as it was. While you are dead, your spirit is in heaven and called a Book.
Just the blind leading the blind. Just for show of some humility, why not go to the real priest of Yah to help you with some understanding. You Gentile churches have misunderstood and misinterpreted the scriptures for a long time, twisting and believing in your own fables. Go to any reputable Hebrew Israelite church for understanding, for the oracles of Yah were only give to that family in this whole world.
Pre wrath is what the Bible teaches. Revelation is in chronological order. Most of the chapters start with " AND AFTER THIS... " it's in chronological order twice. 1-11 then 12-22.
No one survive when Great tribulation has came mat 24=21,29 Joel 2=28.29,30..31 Rev, 16=18 Isaiah 13=9.10 Rev, 13=15.16.17 Rev, 6=6 That why we need cough up Mat,24,21.29 1tess 4=16.17
If you rely on man, you are easily deceived, be a good student and study their claims with scripture. If they have none, it is their opinion, not scripture.
Amen. The Rapture is Post Tribulation. The book of Revelation is definitely not totally written in chronological order. In the book of Revelation, there are no less than 7 accounts of The Day of the Lord, which is the one and only future Second Coming of Christ. The first five words of the book of Revelation tell us what the book is about. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" And this revealing of Christ is repeated over and over again. Every account of an "earthquake" in the book of Revelation is the same earthquake spoken of again, and the same one in Zechariah 14:3&4. The 6th Seal, The 7th Trumpet, and The 7th Vial are all accounts of the same event: The Day of the Lord, which is the Second Coming of Christ. The resurrection of the Two Faithful Witnesses is the Second Coming of Christ and Rapture of the Church. And their ascension is how the Church being "caught up" will actually occur. We will not suddenly disappear and shoot up like bullets. I have more concerning the sequence of events that will occur on The Day of the Lord, if you desire to read it. God Bless, Pastor K. L. Greene
Sorry, the pre-trib is for the great falling away for when it does not happen to separate those out of the true believers knowing the sign of Revelations Daniel 12.1 when the Rapture happens the true believers will be taken out, and those who fell away with the non-believers the evil and the ignorant pagan's satanist's, etc are left behind to face GODs wrath upon the earth or would like to argue with GOD JESUS and HE who restrains and Michael the Archangel all those that will be taken to heaven and for Michael to throw out satan from heaven. Do you really have that little of an understanding of what will be? MPK.
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Since i was a child, scripture proved to me clearly Jesus comes after the Tribulation.
I have been believing in the pre-tribulation rapture for many years I changed my view just lately (January 2022) when I read Matthew 24. I tried to figure out the timing of rapture there. I wasnt able to find the rapture despite how many times I tried reading it. Then I said to myself what if it's not really pre-trib and it became so much crystal clear to me it's after tribulation Matthew 24:29-31. The coming of our Lord and the gathering of the saints will happen after the tribulation and the sounding of the last trumpet. All of the popular rapture verses agrees with each other.
Matthew 24 is Jesus speaking to Jews and refers to His second coming and not the rapture.
@@Landis_Grant Jesus spoke 3 1/2 years only to the Jews. Does the NT only refer to Jews? Mat 24 is the Olivet Discourse and repeated in Mark and Luke. Jesus spoke here to His disciples, the church. In Mk 13:37 He says, it is fore ALL! In Luke 12:41+42 He says for all disciples, till He comes again.
His elect are NT Saints, bought by His blood, not surviving Jews, "the elect", they are also gathered, but brought by Gentiles, not gathered by angels through the air to Christ, that is the Rapture, when He comes the 2. time (not third) in the clouds. The coming of the Lord for the Rapture is erchomai, for the coming of judgment He uses parousia (In the days of Noah and Lot refers to judgment of the wicked).
You cannot read the rapture but instead CAUGHT UP, read the 1Thessalonians 4:13-18
Yeah don't read Matthew 24 to study the end times. Jesus gave a very short summary to both Jews and Gentiles (versus 5-29 for the Jews) ( 36-51 for Gentiles) and then 29-35 for both. The real trick is to read Matthew 24:30 this is the pinnacle of when Christ returns for the Christians. Why is the entire earth mourning? I don't know about you but if I go through 7 years of hell on earth during the Tribulation and I see my Jesus break through the sky, the last thing I am going to do is mourn like I just lost my only son (Zech 12:10-14). I'm going to be like one of those people in the Star Wars movie when they blow up the death star. I am going to shout and sing and praise my Jesus. Not mourn. So I wonder who those people are on the planet that are in mourning when Christ returns? Could it be the last of those who were spared? Could it be largely the Jews who rejected Jesus the first time and now their eyes are open and they are deeply sorrowful that they rejected him on his first visit? I think it very well could be.
If you really want to study end times you have to go through verse by verse in Revelation with a good Bible teacher. Otherwise you fall for this type of imagination of men.
I also believed in Pre trib for almost my whole Adult life until 2020, it feels good to know the truth, but I do miss those pretrib days. Sometimes escapism is easier. But, I do thank my Heavenly Father for truth 🙏
The fact that it's going to happen is enough to give Joy and encouragement to the Believer. In any case God has our backs, and that knowledge is enough for me. I'm at peace.
I have never really bothered myself with pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib. I am just be ready. Be saved, study the Word, be in prayer. I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me daily.
If there is a post-trib well okay, I rely on God to get me through it. If there is a pre-trib then I still rely on God daily. I am not a Bible Scholar but I am seeing quibbling among Christians on doctrine. People tend to lose Jesus in all of this and that is not good.
I've really enjoyed these discussions on post- tribulationism. They have given me numerous things to think about that I've never considered before. I really began to think through some of these issues as I preached through the book of 1st Peter. Thanks for the opportunity to sit in on these discussions.
I have had questions, via scripture, for years, and I am grateful for these lucid (as much as possible) clarifications. Have also appreciated listening to surely the fastest English speaker going.
thanks for standing up, I'm post tribulation best explanation is Matthew 24. seen some of the comments it's sad to me people are having such trouble seeing this... I unfortunately believe many pre tribulation people will be a great deal of those that fall away when the hard times come... all nations will hate us for HIS NAME we will be arrested and killed.. for our testimony not loving our lives even until death... even so come Lord JESUS ❤
Matthew 24:5-29 is for those who are in Judea (not Switzerland or any other place beside Israel). And then you have a major problem with Matthew 24:30 because all the people on the earth are mourning at the return of Christ. I don't know about you but if I survive 7 years of hell on earth, I'm going to scream and shout for Jesus with victorious joy (not mourning like I just lost a son). It's going to be like the end of a Star Wars movie when they blow up the death star. All sorts of cheering and revelry going on. But there is this sticky little sentence that says the world is in mourning (sort of like Zechariah 12-10-14). Maybe that's because the people on the earth are the last of the surviving members who rejected Jesus Christ and they are in the middle of repentance!!! I never thought about it that way before.
So that just blows out all the teaching of Matthew 24 for the rest of the world. Time to leave the false prophets in the dust.
What's crazy is that people say it's not a salvation issue. It's true. However, if you do not endure til the end and take the MOB you are doomed. Post tribulation is all about preparation. If you don't prepare, you can and will fall when the true pressure and persecution arise.
*HE HAS TO FULFILL IT TO SAVE US*
Isaiah 9:19
*Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened , and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother*
*who is the Lord of Hosts* ?? *JESUS IS* AS NOTED
Isaiah 44:6
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6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, *and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last* ; and beside me there is no God.
Revelation 22:13
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13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, *the first and the last*
.Jeremiah 1:12
“ *Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it* .”
Luke 21: 20-22
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 *Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains* ; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 *For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled*
Luke 21:31-36 KJV
So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, *till all be fulfilled*
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on *ALL* them that dwell on the face of the whole earth
36 *Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass* , and to stand before the Son of man
*WORTHY TO ESCAPE IS NOT THE RAPTURE BUT BEING WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE WRATH OF GOD AS NOTED EARLIER IN THE TEXT JESUS SAYS FLEE RUN TO THE HILLS HE IS TELLING YOU TO RUN ESCAPE AND HIDE*
Thank you!! I have been seeking teaching on Post Trib!!!
I'm only in the third minute, but having the right view concerning Pre-Trib or post trib, IS ESSENTIAL because it will greatly affect how you prepare for the Great Trib and how you are ready to minister during that period. All the pre-tribbers will be in shock or denial and many will fall from the faith as part of the predicted FALLING AWAY. They will feel offended and will get angry and will fall away. But those who are prepared can use this time to help others and to lay down their lives.
Exactly! It’s important to know that the rapture is at the final trumpet when Jesus returns! The dead in Christ will rise first and believers that are still on the Earth will rise up and meet Jesus and the other believers in the air. Christians who believe in a pre-trib rapture will be easily deceived when the anti-Christ is revealed because they will accept the mark believing that it could not be the mark because the pre-trib rapture has not occurred yet.
Yes! EXACTLY!!! May God bless you!
If post-tribulation rapture is true, you believers will spend ALL of your time and energy trying not to get arrested by the Antichrist’s police who will round up all people (for the guillotine) who do not have the Mark of the Beast in their right hand or on their forehead. You won’t be witnessing to the unsaved especially those who already received the Mark. These people cannot be saved, their destiny is the lake of fire!
You all are on point! Post-tribulation return and being gathered/raptured unto Him is what I have found that aligns the most with the scriptures. Thank you for teaching on it!
(Endtime Ministries, Plano, TX, teaches this also.)
Informative one...
Keep uploading more videos on Post Trib Rapture...
Do you believe all of the pre trib believers are afraid or unwilling to suffer for Jesus? How many of us Christians have suffered and died for Jesus in the last 2000 years? Did they not go through tribulation? Do not reject the Blessed Hope, the glorious appearing of our Lord and Saviour: Christ Jesus, as we look forward to being united with Jesus for our marraige to Jesus in Heaven, then we return with Jesus to Earth to live in the New Jerusalem, where there will be no more pain and suffering. Do not steal the joy of all of us believers in Christ Jesus, as we look forward to His return for us at any moment, without any prophetic sign or event to take place. Come Lord Jesus, may today be the day You return for Your Bride, the Body of Christ, the Church. Peace and Maranatha.
Ever since I had received Christ as Lord and Savior, I had always heard preachers say...A Pre Tribulation rapture... I never questioned it, most of my biblical knowledge was from what pastors had spoken of from the pulpit.
This one Tuesday evening, I received a call from a very dear friend and pastor...he invited me to a closed door meeting, which was held for Canada's main denominational church leaders. I, instantly got a bit nervous.. thinking "What if they ask me for what I believed".
Since I had no knowledge as to which scriptures to point to and fall upon...I decided that I should pray, and ask Holy Spirit for His guidance. I prayed..and He answered me with a question:
"Do you think that if true Believers were raptured before the Tribulation, that those left behind would open up My book, and read it for themselves?".
To which I replied: " No! They couldn't care less."
That's when He said: True Believers will be going through the Tribulation and then taken up to be with Christ."
Suddenly, Matthew 24: 29 - 31 came to mind...yet earlier I had no scriptures to fall upon, to point to otherwise.
The following morning, the conference began, most if not all church leaders were of the pre Trib rapture... throughout the day I was waiting for the appropriate time to share what Holy Spirit had told me the previous evening.
At the closing of the meeting, we were asked to share what we believed: I told them, what Holy Spirit had shown me... I was given the opportunity and spoke out... I was not well greeted, I was told that I was out of line...then suddenly 2 leaders spoke up in my defense..yet, the majority overruled, and the conference came to a close.
Since then, I have held the Post Tribulation/ Pre Wrath of God stance... Based on Matthew 24: 29 - 31.
Folks read God's Holy book, and be blessed... don't always depend on preachers, they can be wrong.
Hello brothers. You knocked it out of the park up until the 35 minute mark. Great job finding the understanding of Rev 3:10 in John 17. That is a great piece of ammo...thank you thank you.
I think the first guy on the far left needs to lay off the coffee 🤣🤣🤣
Revelation 6:10-11
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10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, *until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled*
*THEIR WAITING FOR US*
When you won't hear the opposing side's stance than it shows you have no humility. The church lacks humility!
Hi from the UK!
I'm so glad I found you guys - Mark's view on Revelation is pretty much the same as mine - and its taken a lifetime for me to get here. I came from a Plymouth Bretheren background, so I was brought up with a strong pre-trib theology. Over time I came to reject that view, as the text does not support it. Matthew 24 to start with - Jesus himself - refutes it. The Lord showed me Revelation is primarily poetic, and allegorical, and cannot be read either literally, or sequentially. Its an amazing book - heavily tied to old testament imagery.
For example - Rev 12:1-6 is about the birth of Christ! Mike Heiser has done a good analysis of this passage, and he thinks the imagery describes star signs - so much so he's been able to work out the exact day Jesus was born (11th Sept, 4 BC if memory serves)
If that's true, this passage is AFTER the 7 trumpets!! So it simply does not make sense to read this chronologically - or literally.
The take away for me is simple - no one recognised Christ the first time around, because they werent looking for him. They simply ignored the suffering servant passages. The people wanted a different Christ to the one who came. I dont think we have learnt much.
Thank you!
Try reading Revelation 1-11 and then 12-22…both have different viewpoints and details but it’s the same perfect story.
Agree 💯.... Your arguments are the same as mine. John writes like a great author or movie maker. He doesn't write chronologically but topically. All your examples are what I have also pondered and studied out to come to the same conclusion as you! In the parable of the Wheat and Tares the Wheat remains and the weeds are removed. Noah goes through the storm and not removed but protected. We as Believers will go through persecution. He's preparing us FOR persecution! Why else stand firm?
John was commanded to write down the things he saw to show God's servants what must soon take place. He was told to write about the things he has seen, the things that are, and the things that are to come (in chronological order). Life usually follows that pattern in written form. Chapter 1 is the past. Chapter 2 and 3 are the present. We are in Rev 3:14-22, the church of Laodicea. It's the great apostacy, the great falling away. Church membership is decreasing around the world and especially in America. Humanism has replaced God, science has replaced wisdom.
So that means that the future starts with Rev 4:1 "come up here" said the trumpet voice. And away we go. bye bye.
There seems to be an inordinate desire by some for the church to go through the tribulation - clearly at the expense of "hope" and "comfort". And it is intertwined with salvation by works. Salvation is complete in the death of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection. And that is true during the period of grace. The period of wrath, the tribulation, is different. During the tribulation, salvation will depend upon not worshipping and taking the mark of the beast and likely being beheaded for one's profession of faith. That is very clearly stated in Revelation. The Apostle Paul, in contrast, speaks of the church period in which some disobedient believers are "saved yet so as by fire". Obviously, they failed to be obedient, yet at one time they professed faith, and they were still saved. The key to the church age is that God does not "step out" and manifest His presence in any discernible way so that the key is truly "faith". Without faith, it is impossible to please God. Not so, during the tribulation which is following a well defined series of known judgments that are supernatural in origin. Only the most hard hearted of individuals will reject what they see with their own eyes. It is obvious that the church age and the tribulation follow distinctly different sets of rules. Faith is key to salvation in the church age, while obedience unto death is key during the tribulation. Post-tribulation rapture is simply pure nonsense. Go back to Daniel 9:24. "70 weeks are decreed for YOUR people" And it goes on to define the first 69 weeks leading up to the arrival of the Messiah. Then it states that there will be a period of wars. And finally, the 70th week, i.e., the seven year tribulation, and the appearance of the antichrist is mentioned. So what does "your people" mean? Clearly, it is Daniel's people - the Jews. The 70th week is all about Israel. We know that the Jews will be called (144K) to witness using the tribulation. OK, why? Because the Christians have been removed - raptured BEFORE the tribulation. From then on the focus is on Israel and Jerusalem. The Jews will be the early preachers of the Gospel during the tribulation. And that is one of the reasons why the antichrist attacks Israel mid-tribulation.
Amen and Amen...all the way.
Most preacher, teachers say: I'm just teaching what I've been taught. Having never looked into it for themselves. Also denominational peer pressure is overbearing bin most denominations,. Tow the line or else.
wonderful job guys! it was the use of the scripture and pulling it together seamlessly, as it should be coming from one source- God the Father, that cleared things up and made sense out of many poor interpretations of partial passages. Keep on keep'n on!!!
15 minutes in and I’m still waiting to hear addresses to objections.
Checking out now.
Thank you for part two...
This subject makes people upset, so continuing with the truth for the next generation is important.
New believers wonder, like I did, why the KJV Bible wasn't telling us about a rapture before the Antichrist. Frankly, I knew God sent us to earth for service and His glory, but I kept my mouth shut because my friends were mad if I said anything against it during Bible study.
I know the Lord will open eyes and ears to this truth you present here. I'm praying this will teach understanding.
*HE HAS TO FULFILL IT TO SAVE US*
Isaiah 9:19
*Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened , and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother*
*who is the Lord of Hosts* ?? *JESUS IS* AS NOTED
Isaiah 44:6
King James Version
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, *and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last* ; and beside me there is no God.
Revelation 22:13
King James Version
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, *the first and the last*
.Jeremiah 1:12
“ *Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it* .”
Luke 21: 20-22
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 *Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains* ; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 *For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled*
Luke 21:31-36 KJV
So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, *till all be fulfilled*
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on *ALL* them that dwell on the face of the whole earth
36 *Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass* , and to stand before the Son of man
*WORTHY TO ESCAPE IS NOT THE RAPTURE BUT BEING WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE WRATH OF GOD AS NOTED EARLIER IN THE TEXT JESUS SAYS FLEE RUN TO THE HILLS HE IS TELLING YOU TO RUN ESCAPE AND HIDE*
Is the "hour of trial" in Rev. 3:10 a reference to "tribulation" or "wrath"? Or are you using "tribulation" and "wrath" interchangably in making your argument?
Mark, if you and your faculty are interested in having a guest on your TH-cam channel to go deeper into this issue, I broke away from Pretribism in the late 90's while attending a pre-trib Bible college. I appreciate the content that you have shared, and would like to collaborate, as there is quite a bit more scriptural evidence for a post-trib rapture to be shared and deeply solemn reasons to share it. Getting this information to the church is paramount for her preparation to face the antichrist as we inch yet closer to the last days. Reach out to me soon. Tim
Yes! it is circuitous! The seals are the long story (thousands of years), the trumpets are the shorter story (100 yrs or so), and the vials are the very short story (three and a half years) that all end at Armageddon.
A comment on your comment 😉 about the anitchrist being here without us possibly knowing and doing stuff and then Yeshua turning up… Yeah, NA❗️
We are given more than enough information about the anitchrist and the plethora of stuff that will be happening that you would have to be one of the deceived not to be able to recognise him when he arises. I was surprised that you didn’t make a similar comment 😮
REALLY getting some solid stuff out of this thanks fellas‼️ 🙏
Agree
*HE HAS TO FULFILL IT TO SAVE US*
Isaiah 9:19
*Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened , and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother*
*who is the Lord of Hosts* ?? *JESUS IS* AS NOTED
Isaiah 44:6
King James Version
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, *and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last* ; and beside me there is no God.
Revelation 22:13
King James Version
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, *the first and the last*
.Jeremiah 1:12
“ *Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it* .”
Luke 21: 20-22
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 *Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains* ; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 *For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled*
Luke 21:31-36 KJV
So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, *till all be fulfilled*
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on *ALL* them that dwell on the face of the whole earth
36 *Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass* , and to stand before the Son of man
*WORTHY TO ESCAPE IS NOT THE RAPTURE BUT BEING WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE WRATH OF GOD AS NOTED EARLIER IN THE TEXT JESUS SAYS FLEE RUN TO THE HILLS HE IS TELLING YOU TO RUN ESCAPE AND HIDE BASICALLY CHRIST HAS TO FULFILL ALL WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IT ALL HAS TO BE FULFILLED*
We are marked by the Holy Spirit, therefore, we are protected from the wrath of God so that we stand in amazement at His coming.
May the young spraker talk in natural speed? Thank you.
Also, we must understand that the trumpets and bowls happen simultaneously, so we see all of these things described, but it's all happening at the same time in the only way that John could describe them.
You make some strong points. Rev. 3:10 is where I hang my "pre-trib hat" - I see in Rev. 13:7-8 that there are believers on the earth and that every tribe, tongue and nation is given under the authority of the Dragon/Beast. But the promise in Rev. 3:10 is not to all believers, but only to those believers who are OVERCOMERS. They are "kept from" and the only way I can see them being "kept from" is if they are "removed from." Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego were "kept in" but Lot and Noah were "kept from." Lot was not told to shelter in place. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Matthew 24 (Pay attn: to the Sun)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
There is zero scriptural support for a pre trib “secret” rapture, mid trib rapture or post trib rapture. There is abundant scriptural support for the Dead in Christ and Saints alive at the time of Christ’s return to rise immortal, changed into spirit and meet Him in the air at the sounding of the last or 7th trump ( Matt 24:29= episunago, 1 Cor 15:52, 1 Thess 5:17= harpazo, 2 Thess 2:1=episunagoge. Next: The word Rapture doesn’t appear in any form in the Bible. It’s from the Medieval Latin “raptura” 16C. There are no references to the word in early Greek manuscripts. The etymology of the 16C word = seizure, rape, kidnapping (from Latin raptus), a carrying off, abduction, snatching away, rape (see rapt). The earliest attested use in English is with women as objects i.e. rape(Online Etymology Dictionary). Next: The Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord are 2 different successive cataclysmic events that last a total of 3.5 years or 42 months or 1260 days (Rev 11:2-3, 12:6, 14). Next: Objection #2 @ 26:40 about the church not being mentioned from Rev ch 6-18. The 144,000 in ch 7 are the Church martyrs who “ loved not their lives unto death “ 12:11. They are in the trib bc they are lukewarm saints described in the Laodicean church in 3:14-19 whom God did not protect. The Church that is protected is the Woman of ch 12 that flees v6 to her “place prepared of God” also v14. This place is stated as “wilderness” in both verses and cannot refer to heaven. Unless some believe Heaven is a wilderness which is preposterous.
I too have been sure that Revelation is not chronological and have been for forty years from my own reading of it
3x in John 6 Jesus talks about us being raised "on the last day". Matthew 24:29-31, Jesus says, "after the tribulation if those days, THEN YOU WILL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS WITH HIS MIGHTY ONES."
In order to make a pre- trib rapture to work, you have to twist what is stated plainly by the Lord in order to make it fit into our understanding.
I love the Lord and His Word, for He is the Word incarnate.
The Holy Spirit will teach you His Word, but you must be open to His teaching.
As it still is today, nobody knows the hour or the day, but we can read the signs if the times as stated in scriptures.
Do not bow to the doctrines of demons. The Lord stated it plainly, let's take Him at His Word.
Where is the pretrib rapture in Matt. 24?
THE REASON THE WORD "CHURCH" DOESNT APPEAR AFTER THAT POINT IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION(S) IS BECAUSE THE CENSER HAS BEEN THROWN DOWN AND THE "DAILY" HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY--AND THEREFORE GOD DOES NOT DEAL WITH PEOPLE (INCLUDING THE CHURCH) ON A CORPORATE LEVEL. IT SWITCHES TO DEALING WITH MEN ON AN "INDIVIDUAL" LEVEL.
Two altars = two services. One for Israel corporately, and one for individually. The original Greek NEVER said, "until the daily "sacrifice" was taken away"...it said the daily "service."
Next point...you stated that the Israelites went through the 10 plagues "with" the Egyptians, but were supernaturally protected by God. God explicitly stated, Himself, that He was making a distinction between His people and the Egyptians at THE FOURTH PLAGUE (flies).
There is no pretrib rapture. Many faithful believers will be supetnaturally protected until Jesus appears in the clouds. Almost all the 14400 will be martyred. God bless.
Why is it that the word resurrection has been replaced by the word rapture? Why is this passage of the Scripture always so twisted around? So much controversy is causing confusion among God's people.
Very interesting, but Mark please please slow your speech down, sounds like your in a competition as to how many words per minute you can utter, detracts from your message Brother!!!!!
Lol not surprised!
I would hate to see his puzzle after he puts the pieces together. I'm sure it won't resemble the picture on the front of the box.
Now I want to study revelation and eschatology 😅 but for real.
If you had studied in the first place you would not have been deceived by this false post-trib doctrine.
correct. don't study with these people.
Jesus’ Complete end time teaching, RIGHTLY DIVIDED:
Jesus taught BOTH the second coming AND the pretrib rapture in His Olivet Discourse:
The disciples asked Jesus three questions in Matt. 24:3. We can rightly divide end time events by following the answers given by Jesus.
Question # 1. When will these things be? Jesus answered it in Matt. 24:4-8, calling His answer the beginning of birth pains. There are no trib specific visible signs mentioned in Jesus’ answer; only general things which have always been in place. So, this is Jesus saying end time birth pains begin when life as we know it is in place.
Question #2. What is the sign of Your coming? Jesus answered it in Matt. 24:9-31 where He described specific visible signs of THE Tribulation and His second coming to earth. In His description He tells us it will occur AFTER the trib, (24:29) the most horrific period of time known to mankind (24:21), He will appear to ALL the tribes of the land (24:31), and we know from Rev. 11;3, 7, and 13:5, the second coming will occur on a KNOWN day; day 2,520 of the trib. (1,260 days + 1,260 days (42 months)= 2,520 days). This is His teaching about the second coming. So, second coming scriptures mention or describe a trib specific visible sign. Life as we know it now will end when Jesus comes at the pretrib rapture.
Question #3. What is the sign of the end of the age? Jesus answered this in Matt. 24:36-25:30. He stated He will come on an UNKNOWN day (Matt. 24:36, Mark 13:32), during NORMAL LIFE (24:37-41/Luke 17:26-30, the birth pains in which we now live). He used parables to teach us He will appear to ONLY those who belong to Him (servants of 24:45-51/virgins of 25:1-13/slaves of 25:14-30) instead of all the tribes of the land. His parables give no indication that those who belong to the Lord/Bridegroom had any visible warnings their masters were about to arrive. The Lord/Bridegroom simply showed up surprising those who were not ready for His appearance. Luke 17:20 tells us the kingdom of God will come without observation (ocular evidence 1857/4655). This is Jesus' teaching of the pretrib rapture. As a result, rapture scriptures do not mention, or describe any trib specific visible signs.
Jesus can't come only once on BOTH a known and unknown day. He can't come only once BOTH after the worst affliction ever seen by man AND during normal life. He can't come only once BOTH with and withOUT visible signs. He can't come only once appearing to only those who belong to Him (rapture) AND appearing to all the tribes of the land.
Jesus must fulfill His prophesy about coming during normal life, at an unknown day/hour, appearing to only those who belong to Him (1 Thess. 4:13-17), withOUT any visible warning (Luke 17:20). To do this He must come BEFORE the tribulation begins because the trib is nothing but visible warning signs which mark the passage of time to the KNOWN day of the second coming.
The Greek text for Rev 3:10 literally-reads, "I-will-be-guarding/watching-over you (singular, Philadelphia church) from-out-of the hour (singular) of-the "Peirasmos" (temptation) (singular), the [temptation] presently-being-about to-presently-come-upon the whole inhabited earth, to-at-some-point-be-tempting the [ones] presently-dwelling-down upon the earth."
God's repeated use of present-active Greek verbs and participles is utterly inconsistent with a rapture- rescue before a period of "Thlipsis" (tribulation), ~2000 years yet future.
1 Peter 4:17-19 is where we learn the separation of God's house is the BEGINNING judgment of end time events; the righteous are separated from the UNgodly (impious, irreverent, wicked 765) AND the sinners (those who miss the mark so as to NOT share in the prize 264/268). The righteous make it and are barely saved, but those of both other groups are seen elsewhere.
Matthew 7:21-23 tells us what Jesus will say to those rejected by Him at the rapture, the Ungodly of 1 Pet. 4:17-19, at the meeting in the clouds. 1 Thess. 4:17.
Matthew 8:11-12, 22:10-14, 24:48-51, 25:30, Luke 13:24-30, 12:35-40, 12:41-46 are the scriptures where we learn that outer darkness is where Jesus casts those rejected by Him. Outer darkness must be earth during the trib. because neither the Sheep/Goat or Great White Throne Judgments give outer darkness as an option for those who are judged at them; either life or hell being the only destinations given at those judgments.
This means outer darkness, defined by the Greek as ‘exterior obscurity’ (1857/4655) is a NON-heaven/hell destination at some other judgment. The only end time judgment remaining, after the exclusion of the Sheep/Goat and GWT, IS the pretrib rapture, the beginning judgment at which Jesus utters the words of Matt. 7:21-23. Outer darkness, exterior obscurity, being the place where Jesus sends those to whom He says the words, ‘Depart from Me. I DO NOT KNOW you, you workers of iniquity.” Interestingly enough, obscurity is defined as the state of being UNKNOWN, so Jesus is casting into the exterior unknown those who are unknown.
1 Peter 1:7-9 tells us we obtain the end of our faith, the salvation of our souls at the appearance of Jesus. Jesus appears at the rapture, in contrast to His return to earth at the second coming. So, at the rapture, the appearance of Jesus, either you are permitted to leave with Him for the marriage supper (the righteous of 1 Pet. 4:17-19), OR you are Ungodly (carnal Christian) who is cast back to earth to enter THE Trib with the sinners of this world. If you are cast back after being rejected by Jesus, it is quite likely, NOT mandatory, but very likely you will be among those who will comprise the falling away which occurs just prior to the appearance of the man of sin. 2 Thess. 2:2-3.
So, yeah, what you believe about the rapture is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, and could very well cost you, not only your attendance at the marriage supper, but, if you forfeit your salvation after being rejected by Jesus, even cost you your chance at heaven! Heb. 6:4-8. The rapture is very much a salvation issue.
If there is any doubt about the accuracy of this comment, you can find Jesus’ description of this process in the parable of the servants, Matt. 24:45-51, parable of the ten virgins, Matt. 25:1-13, and parable of the talents, Matt. 25:14-30. In those stories, Jesus describes three different times how He will separate those who BELONG TO HIM, rewarding the faithful/wise/good WHILE PUNISHING the wicked/foolish/worthless,
their appearance being elsewhere than with the righteous, EXACTLY as 1 Pet. 4:17-19 teaches. The Bible interprets the Bible when it is understood correctly.
If you still feel the need to discount the rapture scenario given here, you need to ask yourself what other purpose all these scriptures serve. ALL these scriptures are in the Bible for a reason. Each of them serves a purpose. The purpose you decide upon must not create contradiction with the rest of the Bible, or it is not truth. These scriptures do not fail to serve the purpose stated in this comment simply because you are offended by what they teach.
Prophesy is not concerned with hurt feelings, the popular vote, or the warm fuzzy things we tell ourselves to feel justified in disagreeing with God's word. Doctrine will come to pass EXACTLY as Jesus taught it in the Olivet Discourse. Matt. 24:35, Mark 13:31.
Ecclesiastes 9 :5 (Pay attn. to the SUN )
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
(This tells us that all we have is gone except forthe spirit, breath of life. This is our SIMM chip. It holds all our info, what we have seen, done, smelled, tasted, family and friends & sins. God holds it.)
If you're not going to read the whole context and how can you figure it out you've got to read the whole Bible here are there a little here a little the Bible says they're a little
Idols in your heart Jesus lives in your heart there's no idols in your heart I can tell whether you know what you're talking about or not that's where Jesus lives in your heart apostle Paul says the battles in the mind
In the Bible the mind is very often called the “heart”. For example, “Out of the heart the mouth speaks” means what you are thinking comes out of your mouth.
I think revelation is written in exact order and god in which god intended it to be because daniel parallels with revelation along with others
Job parallels it also!!! I saw that in this video: " Follow The Lamb Today Our Time Is Come "
So good! Great tribulation starts halfway through final seven years (Matt 24:15). It coincides with time that Satan is cast out of heaven "having great wrath" (Rev 12:12). So the wrath we see for most of the great tribulation is the wrath of Satan, not the wrath of God! At the very end of the great tribulation, at the sound of God's trumpet, the people of God will rise in the rapture and meet the Lord in the air and will return to heaven with the Him (30 days prior to the second coming). We see a glimpse of what's happening with the rapture church in Rev 15, just before God's wrath is released on the earth in the form of the great bowl judgments of Rev 16. So we see the church is not appointed to God's wrath for the bowl judgments are poured out on those who have received the mark of the beast (ie. unbelievers). This is what I believe the scripture indicates, howbeit by no means am I dogmatic in this belief. But it does account for the difference in the 1290 days of Dan 12:11 and the 1260 days of Rev 11:3. Note that the two witnesses rise from the dead at the rapture of the church, and return with Christ and his church 30 days later at the battle of Armegeddon.
This is for the pre-tribbers. Our Blessed Hope is the Resurrection unto life not a so called secret pre-trib rapture. The second coming of Christ on the last day IS that hope. Not your get out of tribulation free card you hang onto more than Christ himself. Go preach the Gospel not escapism.
He's talking about their souls he's going to keep their souls do not fear Satan for he can only destroy your body fear God cuz he can destroy your body and your soul
YES...god doesnt need to take the church out of the tribulation in order to potect the saints. If you look at 1 Thessalonians 4, you will see whats going to happen and then in Matthew 24 we see when it will happen. Please take notice, in both of these examples, that Jesus will snatch away his bride to meet him in the air at the sound of a trumpet. Easy peasy.
One problem with post tribulation rapture is who will repopulate the earth after the tribulation if everyone is raptured at the end where everyone will have resurrected bodies? Matthew 22:30 says: For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven. How can the earth be repopulated when angels can't reproduce? There will be people being saved during the tribulation and many will lose their lives because of their belief in Jesus Christ. Revelation 7:13-15. Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes and where did they come from?" And I said to him, "Sir, you know. " So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple. There will be believers, who came to salvation during the tribulation, who survive the tribulation and will have their natural bodies and will reproduce during the millennium. Also, there are many who believe that the last part of the tribulation is the great tribulation or the great day of the Lord when Revelation 7 clearly states that there are the ones who came out of the great tribulation. This is happening at least before the seven trumpet judgments. Revelation 1:19-20. Therefore, write these things which you have seen and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches. Where are the churches? In heaven. Revelation 3:10. I will also keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth. Revelation 1:1-3. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants, things which must shortly
Or certainly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all the things he saw. Blessed is He who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near. There is a blessing to those who who read and hear this prophecy. This is what happens when you don't take the Bible literally. There is plain literal and figurative literal and both are used in the Bible and God's word tells us when the figurative literal can be applied. 1:17. It also appears , and correct me if I am wrong, that they are teaching replacement theology where they teach that the church has replaced Israel which is patently false. If God doesn't fulfill his promises that He made to Israel then why would we rely on the promises He made to believers? The main purpose of the tribulation is to bring national salvation to the Jews but also for the judgment of an unbelieving world. Jeremiah 30:7. Alas! For that day is great. There is none like it. And it is the time of Jacob's trouble. But he will be saved out of it. This is a future prophecy for Israel. Read all of Daniel 12, as a matter of fact read all of the book of Daniel. Daniel 12:7. I heard the man clothed in dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times and half a time; as soon as they finish shattering the power of the Holy people, all these things will be completed. This is another prophecy concerning Israel. How about Daniel's 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27. Seventy weeks has been decreed for your people, Israel, and your holy city, Jerusalem, to 1.finish the transgression 2.to make an end to sin 3.to make atonement for inequity 4.to bring in everlasting righteousness 5.to seal up vision and prophecy 6.to annoint the most holy place. Once again, this is a future prophecy for Israel. Matthew 23:37-38. Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings and you were unwilling. Behold, you house is being left to you desolate! For I say from now on you will not see me until you say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!" Again, this is another future prophecy for Israel which will be fulfilled by Daniel's 70 week prophecy in the middle of the tribulation when the antichrist will break the pact that he made with the Jews. What these men are teaching in probably on the the most agregious examples of bad eschatology that I have ever seen.
They have much bigger problems than that . Jesus said that "no one knows the day nor the hour except the Father in heaven". But in the last chapter of Daniel, Daniel asks the angel "How long until all these things are fulfilled?" and the angel tells him "1290 days." or three and a half years. Three and a half years from a certain event ,which is the anti-christ entering the temple and proclaiming himself to be God. If the Church remains on the earth through the Tribulation, then they will know the day of Christ's return, 1290 days from the day they see the antichrist enter the temple. So if anyone insists the Church will go through the Tribulation, then they make a liar out of Jesus. The only way out of this contradiction is if the church is raptured, and there are many other good explanations in the Bible of why they are raptured pre-trib. I learned about this argument from Daniel, from Dr. David Hocking on You Tube in a four part series explaining why there is a pre-trib rapture. I would also highly recommend his explanation of the book of Daniel and Revelation...the depth of understanding is incredible.
That's not a problem only for the Post-Tribulation view.
All that's needed is for there to be a sufficient population of unbelievers who didn't join the beast's army. Note that Revelation does not say these will all have been killed. Their number could include so-called Christians who weren't true Christians yet refused to take the mark, others who refused to take the mark, and still others who took the mark but didn't join the beast's army (e.g. women, infirm and elderly), and children too young to take the mark.
Not everyone left after the rapture dies in the wrath... "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith יהוה, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein." (Zechariah 13:8)
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
@@seasquawker I would not divide Revelation in two parts. The first 6 seals are identical with the Olivet Discourse. Mat 24:29-31 and Rev 6:12-17 cover His 2.coming with the Resurrection/Rapture, followed by His wrath. In Rev 7:9+13 we see the raptured in Heaven. In Rev 14 we see the Rapture as harvest, the same as Mat 13 the tares and the wheat. His 2.coming is described again in Rev 10:7+11:15-18; Rev 16:15-21 and Rev 19:11-15. We have 5 X 2.coming in Revelation, all with the wrath (orge) of God.
The 2 witnesses in Rev 11 witness the last 3 1/2 years (Great earthquake).
The 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are both His 2.coming.
I have been brought up on this pre trib rapture teaching . Having done my own study and research , it is clear that Christ returns after the tribulation .
Those who came to the idea of a pre trib rapture have done so on the basis of a series of logical deductions from scripture.
God is only bound to fulfill his words and not logical deductions..
One thing is synonymous with Christ's return : the gathering of the saints or the FIRST RESURRECTION. if we can know when the first RESURRECTION takes place, then we know the timing of the rapture ... that's the million dollar question..
Read revelation ch 20 1.to 6 .John places the first RESURRECTION after the tribulation .. hope this can be of some help ..
Maybe the Church was gone during Tribulation... to Pella.
Egypt that is people and the plagues that was frozen then it doesn't refer to now has nothing to do with the tribulation and now
A person can’t read Matthew 24 and ever come up with a pre tribulation rapture. Jesus himself tells us when it would be in verse 29. “Immediately after the tribulation” What is it about “after” that so many Christians just don’t understand. It doesn’t mean before and it doesn’t mean in the middle it simply means after.
Jesus was talking to four of his disciples and was answering their question of what will be the sign and when will it happen.
Did they understand what Jesus was saying, go and check with marks account and lukes account and read what they said. They have no doubt as to what Jesus had said so here we have two witnesses testifying of what was said.
I believed in a pre trib rapture for over 70 years until I thought I would do my own research as to whether it was pre trib or post trib. It finally hit me as though it was hidden there all the time in plain sight. I still wonder to this day how on earth did I not see this earlier on.
you're exactly right. They ignore it
"The Last Trumpet" video at youtube.com/@rapturesolution explores New Testament and Old Testament Scriptures that put the last trumpet into perspective. I hope this is in accord with your comments at the outset of your video saying that Scripture itself is our guide. So this last trumpet video explores quite a number of Scriptures, starting with First Corinthians, and branching out from there.
Scripture references start at 17:10. At 21:00 Jesus said it would like the days of Noah and Lot, not Moses.
Without a doubt, there will be believers in the last days. They come to believe after the pre-trib rapture.
The primary purpose of the pre-trib rapture is to remove the restrainer (2 Thes 2:6) so that the AC can take power.
Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (verse 37). There will be a flash of light and we leave our flesh on earth.
The wicked will be unaware of what is going on at this event (Matt 24:39). Most are aware at the second coming (Rev 6:15-17).
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection for the saints (John 6:40-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52) which is on the last day, last trump.
There will be famine rather than eating at the second coming.
There will be drought rather than drinking at the second coming.
There will be hyperinflation and the mark rather than robust economy (buying and selling) at the second coming.
There will be violent storms, earthquakes, all vegatation is dead rather than planting and building at the second coming.
Love will grow cold rather than weddings as the last days progress.
Maranatha!
When the 2 witnesses are called up that's the 1st resurrection or rapture of the dead in Christ 1st then we who are alive and remain.
Revelations is not in chronological order. It's an exploded view.
The Bible gives the exact definition of the "Two Witnesses." Please search your Bible closer because God put it there for the people living at this time to find. The Two Witnesses (taken verbatim from scripture) are the two olive trees and two lampstands. Then search for where the verbatim definition of these words... They are the Holy Spirit and Scripture.
The 144000 (as the official and ONLY trustees of Jesus' testimony will be trying to tell many people the terms and conditions of salvation...but people will not entertain them until things get very bad. Once a person hears the message of Jesus (spoken through the 144000) the Holy Spirit will move in the person to attest that they are telling the truth (for there is much deception). The scriptures will attest to their message perfectly and with clarity as well.
If a person who has heard the message, then doesn't respond to the stirring of the Holy Spirit (i.e. blasphemes the Holy Spirit) (the first witness), and doesn't choose to beliieve the scriptures (the second witness)...that person is judged and condemned to eternal death (I.e. people will be condemned upon the testimony of two witnesses). God bless.
@@changingmatrix8687 Rev 11:8 says, that their dead bodies lie in the streets of Jerusalem. How can that happen to The Holy Spirit and the scripture?
@@benny-yj7pq That's correct. You have been given insight.
There are many examples of resurrection to life starting with Enoch. Then Elijah, then Lazarus, then Jesus, then the church at the rapture, then the two witnesses, then all the martyrs who die for Christ at the end of the Tribulation. Many times through the Bible people will be resurrected to life. There is only one resurrection to damnation and that is at the end of Revelation at the Great White Throne. And all those people who are at that judgment end up in the lake of fire.
We are currently in Revelation 3:14-21, the church of Laodicea. The next event is Revelation 4:1 "Come up here"
@@changingmatrix8687 The two witnesses are Moses and Elijah. They are real people and do not represent the church.
Rev 11:3-6 God reveals the purpose for the rebuilding of the Temple; to make the ministry of the two witnesses more effective. The ministry of these two prophets is to bear witness that the law and the prophets proclaim the Lordship of Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
These two witnesses will be in the city of Jerusalem at the Temple Mount, prophesying to the Jews about Jesus Christ. They play a pivotal role in Israel being converted as a nation. The two witnesses minister during the first half of the Tribulation. They reveal the spiritual significance of everything the priest does, and how it points to Jesus as the Messiah. They are there during the construction of the Temple. When the ministry of the two witnesses is complete, the beast will attack and kill them. The Anti-Christ kills them before he goes into the Temple and demands to be worshipped. That is when the abomination of desolation occurs.
Acts 2:9 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(Acts was written 1000 years + - after David ruled. Why do you go to heaven immediatly after death and he could not? This would mean that you have immortality, BUT you do not.
The guy in the blue shirt, God bless him. He just talks too much lol.
It does not help me, to understand, words spoken at a ridiculous speed. I’m interested and am at about the end of the video. I hope this is the only video, that the speed of one, causes confusion.
You can click on the settings button (the little knobby wheel) at the bottom of the video and change the speed of playback. If it is too fast, you can slow it down. I usually speed it up but didn't need to on this video. God bless
Read John 14 Jesus teaching on the rapture. Also Isaac and Rebecca meeting in the middle, Jewish wedding 7 days long. There are 2 rapture, church pre, Israel post. If you want to be Israel you go thru the tribulation if you are lusting after the physical kingdom. All saints are not the same.
If salvation can't be lost for christians now, then how can today's Christians be in the great tribulation where the mark of the beast can damn them to a lake of fire? The truth is that they can't be there. Salvation in the great tribulation is faith plus works.
Brandon, with great love and concern for you, please reconsider teaching that salvation will be by faith plus works. Paul said that anyone who teaches a gospel other than his should be damned or accursed. You are dangerously close to that.
Second, Christians that go back to observing the law can be lost. They will be severed from Christ. The same goes for those who go back to a life of sin. Paul warns both groups in Galatians 5. Also, any Christian who takes the mark of the beast will be lost.
It appears you subscribe to the dispensational view of scripture. I truly hope you are humble enough to examine what you believe. Please read Ephesians 2 and 3. The mystery of Christ is therein revealed and that mystery destroys the dispensation view of the bible.
If you don't want to hear anything that contradicts your beliefs, not even scripture itself, then please disregard all that I have said as it won't make any difference. Here's hoping you will be open to the Word. God bless
@@thereturn2361 Trying to stay alive until the end of the Tribulation Period is “works”.
@@Landis_Grant salvation is a gift, we receive, when we are born again,All our past sins are forgiven. But in our walk as believers, we have to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh. Gal 5:19+20 tells us, what will exclude us from God's Kingdom. Salvation is secure in Christ, but conditional. If we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven, only one example, there are more. Again. Do not be deceived.
@@thereturn2361 you mean that since James says Faith without works is dead should be accursed since he does not say Faith alone?
@@thembinkosidube2188 If You are Washed by The Blood of The Lamb, It Shows by your Actions. It's Automatic, because You are Filled with The Holy Spirit, You Will Know and Everyone Else Around You Will Know, Impossible Not to
Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
1 Corinthians 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Psalm 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
The great tribulation is "Satan's wrath" not God's wrath. Rev 12:17.
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The problem i see with posts trib i that some how God is going to pour out his wrath but you believe that some how you will not be affected . And they say the pre trib people will fall away if they have to go through the tribulation. But what happens when the rapture happens before the tribulation. The post trib people will be the ones who will have a harder time because they weren't looking for the rapture then .he comes as a theif in the night that ten virgins only 5 were ready the other 5 didn't think he was coming then . If pretrib people get it wrong why would you think we would give up ?
You need to pay closer attention to what Scripture actually says about tribulation and wrath and who suffers what and at whose hands.
The NT passages that actually say who *God* pours His wrath out on are: Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; John 3:36; Romans 2:18; 2:5, 8; 3:5; 5:9; 9:22; 12;29; 13:4-5; Ephesians 2:3; 5:6; Colossians 3:5-6; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:16; 5:9; Revelation 11:18; 14:9-10, 19; 16:1-21; 19:11-21.
God's discipline & chastisement (cf. Hebrews 13:5-11) is not to be equated with His wrath. And neither tribulation (Matthew 23:18-33; 24:3-30; John 16:33) nor Satan's warring against the saints (Revelation 12:9-13:17) is to be confused with God's wrath. God is perfectly capable of pouring out His wrath on only those opposed to Him just as He did for Israel in Egypt when afflicting the Egyptians with the ten plagues.
- Last trump is NOT the 7th trump
- Tribulation (for us) is NOT wrath/vengeance/judgement on UNbelievers
- parousia/2nd Coming with ANGELS is NOT same as 'return' after marraige of the Lamb with US/ holy 10,000's in Rev 19
Paul gives as the timing of the Resurrection/Rapture at the last trump.. He does not say, the last trump is the trump of God, but it says, that when the 7th trump of revelation sounds (Rev 10:7), the secret (1.Cor 15:51) will be fulfilled, that is the resurrection with the Rapture.
Nobody says that the coming for the Rapture in the clouds and the return are the same, but they happen the same day (Luke 17:29+30; 2.Thess 2:1; 1.Thess 5:1-5), both at His 2.coming, there is no other coming in scripture!
In the 36th minute there is some discussion about Revelations repeating events from different angles and the sky being rolled up as a scroll, multiple times. Rev 19 & 20 gives us the clearest order of events as far as the overall order. Somewhere in Rev 19, the plagues are completed in conjunction with the 2nd Coming events of Jesus. By the end of Rev 19, the Great Tribulation period is fully completed, as are all the plaques and the physical judgments. Like the Exodus plaques, the saved are spared from some of them, but not all of them. The wrath of God that all Christians are spared from, is hell and the lake of fire. In chapter 20, Satan is put away for 1000 years while Jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years. At Jesus' coming, in Rev 19, all the dead in Christ, are Resurrected and the living saints are gathered to meet them in the air but are not changed (because this only happens at the Last Trump and the last Trump only occurs on the last earth day before the earth is burned up with fire.) At the end of the 1000 years, a second resurrection occurs (Rev 20:5), and Jesus goes back into Heaven. Satan is released to deceive the world for maybe 500 or 5000 years, then at the end of this period, the world gathers around Jerusalem to destroy the saints, and God intervenes. This is when the living saints are instantly transformed and brought to the place of the Great White Throne judgment. This is when there is a third resurrection of the saints who have died since the end of the 1000 year reign. This is also when all the living unsaved are killed and then brought to the Great White Throne Judgment along with the unsaved dead. All the resurrected Saints from all three resurrections will be here too. Everyone is here. The earth is destroyed and in chapter 21, after the period of Judgment, the saints are brought to the New Heaven and the new earth. The others are sent to hell and the lake of fire.
At the 2nd Coming, when all Christians from all time are gathered in the air, God is going to fight against many enemies. There may be some who repent. Those who do, if they do not have the Mark, but are still killed the events which take place, will have to wait till the end of the 1000 years for the 2nd resurrection event. In the mean time, they will be in Heaven waiting for that day. The saints who where gathered alive along with some unsaved and newly saved who were not killed at the 2nd Coming, will be the people who can still reproduce and have families and children during the millennium and beyond. If all the living Christians were changed and if all the unsaved we're killed, this would not be possible.
What is the point of having a rapture after tribulation...then having things go on as normal for 1000 years? No. I don't agree. By the way, I noticed you made reference to the Book of Revelations. That really brought a smile to my face because it was always called the Book of Revelations to me (and many others). Unfortunately, we are now in the Counterfeit Kingdom and most people don't even see it! Go check the name of Revelations in the Bible for yourself. Then go check Isaiah 11:6 (the Lion shall lie down with the Lamb...). Prepare yourself before you go check. God bless.
I would love to debate these guys, I haven't started watching this video yet but I already know what they're going to say, there is no scripture for a pre-tribulation rapture. Nowhere in scripture says we're going to be pulled up before the tribulation
You should probably listen to the whole video.
So why would you want to debate people who are opposed to the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory?
Jesus comes like a thief to the unbelievers because they don't expect Him. He comes with the shout and trumpet to the believers...a very loud big event.
Started by Darby then propagandized by Scofield
Started by the disciple John ,who wrote Revelation, taught it to his disciple Polycarp who then taught it to his disciple Irenaeus. Irenaeus then wrote a book called "Against Heresy". And guess what one of the heresies he dealt with was ? That there is no pre-trib rapture. Boy it sure pays to know church history , doesn't it?
@@markanthony3275 This is a recent claim by people like Mike Golay and Lee Brainard that is entirely false. It has been thoroughly debunked. *No* scholar of the early church fathers has ever found any evidence of pre-tribulationism in them.
I am post trib, however the pre tribers do have a good explanation for who lives on earth in the 1,000 yr millennium. Who do you say will be here? People need to procreate and glorified bodies do not procreate
Remember what Jesus said about sorting out the sheep from the goats? The sheep are those nations and remnants of nations that treated His people Israel favourably, the goats are those who hated Israel. The people from the sheep nations that survived ( according to Revelation just over half of the world's population is killed) will re-populate the world.
All that's needed is for there to be a sufficient population of unbelievers who didn't join the beast's army. Note that Revelation does not say these will all have been killed. Their number could include so-called Christians who weren't true Christians yet refused to take the mark, others who refused to take the mark, and still others who took the mark but didn't join the beast's army (e.g. women, infirm and elderly), and children too young to take the mark.
Yeah The Bible is clear that the wrath of God is poured out on them who know not God not on god's children they are sealed and prothat's why in revelations he tells the the angels to hold back what it's with that you're to do not arm the trees at all that. Until the children has a God has been sealed in their foreheads.
The verse which says "but you are not in darkness that that day will surprise you". Plus the surprise day is not always referring to the 2nd Coming but to the day when the Anti-Christ seats himself in the Temple of God. Also, Luke more focused on the 70 AD day when the Romans surrounded Jerusalem, preventing their escape. That day also surprised those who were not paying attention. The day when one is taken and one is left ... Some try to twist this into the one being taken is the one going to hell or the judgment, but like Noah's Day, most people will be focused on daily living and survival in the midst of all the plagues, and the 2nd Coming will catch them by surprise. Noah knew the day was coming for 100 years but he did not know the exact day till 7 days prior. Anyone he informed, just laugh it off since nothing had happened for 100 years since Noah began warning them. Christ does not come when the 1260 days end. It may be when the 1335 days end, but the starting date may be tricky to pinpoint, so the exact day of Christ's return is no certain. What is certain, is that when the daily sacrifices resume, we will know the exact date when they will be forced to end the daily sacrifices and when the anti-Christ makes his move, give it take 30 days. If United States is still a country, we will have about 1000 days to prepare a place to hide or to prepare for stockpiling goods which can be used to help others, and to get the word out to those who will listen to the Gospel. Farmers may have an advantage or people who own land away from the cities. Preparing to be a part of a helping network may help, if you can carefully set up networks with people you can trust. People with a Pre-Trib view will be less likely to care.
1.Thess 5:1-5 is His 2.coming. We will know this day, because of the revealing of the AC Mid-trib.. The thief comes at the Day of the Lord, when the heavens pass away (2.Peter 2:3:10), that is after the Tribulation, no doubt about it (Rev 16:15). Before that day, they say, peace and safety, the chaos comes with the Rapture, followed by the orge Wrath of God, the Sudden Destruction, this all happens at one day, the day of the Lord, which is His 2.coming, the beginning of the Millennium (Zech 14:7-9; Isa 10:17). The plagues are poured on the kingdom of the AC, not worldwide.
One taken is the Rapture, the Greek word makes it clear, it is a taken to oneself, the same as Joseph took Mary as his wife, so Yeshua takes us to Himself in the Rapture. The taken for judgment in the days of Noah is a different Greek word.
I do not believe, that the adding of 30 + 45 days to the 1260 days of the Tribulation refer to the Rapture, but to the gathering of the surviving Jews to Jerusalem, they will get their earthly inheritance together with the judgment of the nations later in the Millennium. I looked into the Greek of Mat 24:29, immediately has the meaning of at once, the following then etc has the meaning of "the same time", so all these events, great earthquake, sun and moon darkened and stars falling from heaven and mountains and islands move can happen the same time the Rapture happens, followed by the judgment at his return, all the same day (Luke 17:29+30).
I agree, the sacrifices will end after 1150 days at Mid-trib. But the sacrifices can begin already before the temple is finished. I do not know, what you mean with the 30 days?
He needs to show down and figure out what he is saying. It seems like he is taking so fast that people don't have time to take in all that he is saying. Be a good Berean and read it for yourself.
You are talking so fast.
You can slow it down via the TH-cam settings.
When Jesus is coming on a cloud its the rapture. When he returns to earth in revelations he is ridibg a horse
The Lord Jesus can come with clouds and with his horse. Look in Daniel ch7 v9 when the Lord Jesus comes to destroy the antichrist it is not specified that he arrives on a mount we only speak of thrones yet according to you there are no thrones.
That is right, 2 events at the same day (Luke 17:29+30; 2.Thess 2:1; 1.Thess 5:1-5). The Greek for the coming in the clouds is erchomai, the Rapture, the coming with His Saints is parousia.
The Rapture is not at the 2nd coming. The reason why is because we actually see the saved church up in heaven by the 7th Seal and not the 7th Bowl.
we shall see, I think your gonna be surprised at what we must endure. Hope you make it through friend I truly do❤
Exactly. The gathering (Christ's appearing) occurs immediately before the bowls, which is God's wrath. Then we return with Christ when He touches down on the Mt. of Olives.
We see them 3 times 7:9,14; 15:2; 19:1. Revelation is not chronological, Jesus 2.coming is in Rev 6:12-17; 11:15-18; 14:15-20; 16:15-21; 19:11-15 together with the wrath (orge) of God. Before the wrath is the Rapture, not always mentioned, but with the Bema in 11:18 after the Rapture.
What is the purpose of the rapture?
@@benny-yj7pq why confuse 7 seals from 7 bowls, Great Tribulation from God's wrath...Great Tribulation is targeted on the Saints (The Elect/ Church) by the Devil or his agents and they that conquer shall inherit the kingdom of God,...,Then God's wrath (bowls) will target the rest of the world for failure to pay heed to God's word and falling into the deceit of the Antichrist and the Beast...either way all is God's Judgement on the Earth regardless of the agent used
The dead in Christ shall rise first those who remain on Earth will be caught up to meet him in the sky that's the post rapture pre-trib rapture two will be grinding in the mill one will be taken the other left behind he comes at the thief in the night
There is only one resurrection and Rapture of the NT Saints in scripture.
Paul very clearly says that this event happens at the last trumpet. 1 Corinthians 15:52
Amillenialism
I think people that believe that the church has taken the place of Israel, believe in a post-tribulation rapture. I have to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. God's dealing with Israel is different from the church's. Jeremiah 30:7 Israel will be taken out of the tribulation and the church will be kept from the tribulation. Revelation 3:10. Also Luke 21:36, states to pray that we might be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass. God will not get rid of Israel, Jeremiah 31:31-37. Romans 9,10,11th chapter.
Noah and Lot were the only two that Jesus pointed to compare the last days too. When did God's wrath come down in Noah's time, before, during, or after Noah entered the ark and was taken away? AFTER! Same thing with Lot. AFTER he left Sodom. So with the church, after the rapture, the tribulation will begin. Daniel prayed for Israel, not the church, and the 70th weeks of years were determined upon them. That's why it's called Jacob's or Israel's trouble. The church wasn't a part of the 69 weeks.
Where they go wrong is to assume that Mathew ch 24 is directed to the Church, but it is obvious from the context ( the abomination, the sabbath, the temple, the roof tops, the Judean countryside, the elect and the fig tree) that it is about Israel , specifically, Israel in the last half of the Tribulation. That's where Jesus starts His answer to his jewish disciple's question about what will be the sign of the end and of His return. "When you see the abomination of desolation..."
We are all called to become part of spiritual Israel, a message I saw is full of Scriptures that shows it: " Crossing Over: The Ones from Beyond (Part 1) ". Besides with your picture, do you know that our Savior probably looked a whole lot more like you than someone from England? Ever think about where all the lost tribes went to and why some races seem constantly persecuted by the world (satan)? Even in Africa there were a few tribes that were different than the others and they were persecuted by the other Africans. Then the other Africans worked with Arabians and Europeans to send them to the Americas greatly against their will. The whole story is still a few history books that haven't been whitewashed, and it's not a coincidence. It's time to awake o tribes of Israel !!! Blessings
@@markanthony3275 ... I think you've got Matt 24 kinda twisted. Jesus told the disciples that no stone of the temple will be left upon another. This was a shocking proclamation. What do mean? All of Jewish culture, history, & tradition surrounds the temple. So they ask Him in private, in Matt 24:3, "when will these things happen and what will be the sign of the end of the age?" If the temple is going to be destroyed, no stone left upon another, then they're asking about the end of the age of the old covenant, of Moses and the law. Much of Matt 24 is answering this question. The parallel passage in Luke 21:20 clearly tells us that the abomination of desolation is when they see Jerusalem surrounded by armies. References to fleeing to the mtns of Judea, not going back for your cloak, woe to nursing babies, etc, is about that time when the temple will be destroyed in the time of THAT generation. This all happened in 70 AD. Other verses in Matt 24 are about Jesus' 2nd coming, bc the disciples also asked Him about that in 24:3. Some verses might be taken to reference both 70 AD and the 2nd coming. But know this, that much of Matt 24 has been misinterpreted to just be about end times, when much of it is actually about 70 AD.
How can you serve
Great tribulation
Mat,24,21,29
Daniel 12=1
Rev, 13,15
So that we need Rapture this reason
For this mat,24,22
1tess 4=16.17
Watch FAI Studios "Maranatha Bible Studies" with Dalton Thomas on TH-cam if you want a very good explanation of the Church in the the Post Tribulation.
The Church (the Bride of Christ) will not go through any part of the Tribulation Period!!!
@@Landis_Grant we surely will soon see, hope you endure till the end friend.. hard times are coming all the nations will hate us for HIS NAME we will be arrested and put to death for holding to our testimony... Matthew 24 explains completely in chronological order .. Christ answering His disciples
I already did. They don't impress me.
@@brianpeterson5559 Matthew 24 is a very short summary written only to the Jews.
@@seanc2788 You might be interested in the four part explanation from the Bible about why the Bible teaches a pre-trib rapture by Dr. David Hocking on You Tube. Also, his teaching of the entire books of Daniel and Revelation are by far the best I've ever heard...and I've heard plenty. For example, Dr. David points out that you can't understand any prophecy in Revelation unless you understand the book of Daniel because there are over seven hundred references from Daniel in the book of Revelation.
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8
You guys~! are unreal. You don't even know what the Hour of Temptation comprises of. The Tribulation is NOT attributed with being an hour, rather one week in on book of Daniel. Hear~! Here.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Revelation 10
John MacArthur should never walk with you 'heroes'.
3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3
Church has no power because of disobedience to scrip.
22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
1 Samuel 15
Next event for the church is the Midnight Cry of Matthau 25
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Matthew 25
God bless
What will the anti christ do here if all left are in his pocket?? There is no Rapture. You should believe in Jesus who is the resurrection and the life.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(What is a soul? It is an equation. You cannot have a soul without both a body and spirit. You do not have a soul ratteling around in your body, you are a soul)
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (Breath of Life (Spirit, same hebrew word) and body = soul)'
(Think of the breath of life as a SIMM chip in your phone. New, it has only the ability to keep the phone alive. It always has a link to its master, Service provider.
As time goes on the SIMM gains your knowledge, Memories of contacts, pictures, notes etc. It is now like a Spirit. When the phone dies, the SIMM is removed and
put in a new phone and it is as it was. While you are dead, your spirit is in heaven and called a Book.
Just the blind leading the blind. Just for show of some humility, why not go to the real priest of Yah to help you with some understanding. You Gentile churches have misunderstood and misinterpreted the scriptures for a long time, twisting and believing in your own fables. Go to any reputable Hebrew Israelite church for understanding, for the oracles of Yah were only give to that family in this whole world.
Pre wrath is what the Bible teaches. Revelation is in chronological order. Most of the chapters start with " AND AFTER THIS... "
it's in chronological order twice. 1-11 then 12-22.
No one survive when
Great tribulation has came mat 24=21,29
Joel 2=28.29,30..31
Rev, 16=18
Isaiah 13=9.10
Rev, 13=15.16.17
Rev, 6=6
That why we need cough up
Mat,24,21.29
1tess 4=16.17
Did you use that name universal again that's Roman Catholicism the woman riding the beast drunk of the martyr's blood
If anyone understands the rapture it's Perry Stone and as far as I believe, he makes the sense out of ruptured then anyone.
Perry Stone and Robert Breaker are two of the worst. Sorry. But its important you know. God bless.
If you rely on man, you are easily deceived, be a good student and study their claims with scripture. If they have none, it is their opinion, not scripture.
Be a lot better if y'all would use the KJV
Rapture firs before it happens mat,24=29
Amen.
The Rapture is Post Tribulation.
The book of Revelation is definitely not totally written in chronological order.
In the book of Revelation, there are no less than 7 accounts of The Day of the Lord, which is the one and only future Second Coming of Christ.
The first five words of the book of Revelation tell us what the book is about.
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ"
And this revealing of Christ is repeated over and over again.
Every account of an "earthquake" in the book of Revelation is the same earthquake spoken of again, and the same one in Zechariah 14:3&4.
The 6th Seal, The 7th Trumpet, and The 7th Vial are all accounts of the same event:
The Day of the Lord, which is the Second Coming of Christ.
The resurrection of the Two Faithful Witnesses is the Second Coming of Christ and Rapture of the Church. And their ascension is how the Church being "caught up" will actually occur. We will not suddenly disappear and shoot up like bullets.
I have more concerning the sequence of events that will occur on The Day of the Lord, if you desire to read it.
God Bless,
Pastor K. L. Greene
Sorry, the pre-trib is for the great falling away for when it does not happen to separate those out of the true believers knowing the sign of Revelations Daniel 12.1 when the Rapture happens the true believers will be taken out, and those who fell away with the non-believers the evil and the ignorant pagan's satanist's, etc are left behind to face GODs wrath upon the earth or would like to argue with GOD JESUS and HE who restrains and Michael the Archangel all those that will be taken to heaven and for Michael to throw out satan from heaven. Do you really have that little of an understanding of what will be?
MPK.