people are getting into the semantics of when to call a character "split scaling" or "dual scaling". From the overall consensus that i've seen, people call "split scaling characters" are those part of their kit scales with one stat, and other parts of their kit scales with some other stat. Albedo C0 for example, his skill scales with DEF, while his burst scales with ATK. "Dual Scaling" on the other hand are characters who's kit scales BOTH with the two different stats. Alhaitham for example, scales both with ATK and EM, you DON'T need to choose EM so that his Skill does more damage, nor ATK so his burst does more damage since his Skill and burst scales with both ATK and EM.
Em and atack can be gained from multiple different buffs and sets , Def is literally on 1 set and 1 gorou. Are u gonna slot Bennet just for her ? Lol no You can't get a reasonable atack AND defence at the same time , whereas alhaitham gain easily 100 from dendro res , guided dreams giving up to 180 aswell and em weapon and suddenly he is 400 ish em without even taking into account artefact quality or main stats on them.......
This. The terminology pertains to a characters scaling and kit. Another way to visualize the difference is "doubling dipping" into two or more stats to get more output for a given skill/burst. Albedo vs Alhaitham is a great example which you pointed out. From that example, the general consensus is not so much that "split scaling" is bad but "dual scaling" is just better. I can't imagine Albedo mains turning down the opportunity for both his skill and burst to scale off a portion of ATK and DEF. Or just have skill and burst scale off one stat so it FEELS better from surface level view. Of course, these scalings are all subject to balancing and really only serve as "levers" for hoyo to adjust a characters power level. For instance, Albedo does have split scaling but Hoyo could make him top tier just by pumping his numbers up.
@@sylent0253 This is the main reason why DEF Main/Sub Stats are much higher than every other stats. It's their way of balancing the stats distribution.
I don’t think this definition works all that well. Let’s say we have an hypothetical unit called Susbedo which has a skill that scales with atk and a burst that scales with def and the damage distribution is 50/50 between skill and burst. You would build him with both atk and def just like a “dual scaler” even though he is supposed to be a split scaler by definition. Meanwhile a unit like Ayato by definition is a “dual scaler” but his HP scaling on NAs are so negligible that most people forget about it, while external HP buff doesn’t hurt you definitely don’t want to see his artifacts roll HP%. Point being, the definitions that you gave aren’t really useful because it doesn’t tell us which stat you should build. A more useful definition should be based on damage distribution over the entire kit, something like “If investing into one stat is 5 times more efficient than the other => not split scaling” “Investing into one stat is not significantly less efficient than the other => split scaling” (where the stats are not multiplicative with each other).
❌ New Sustain option to replace Zhongli ❌ New buffer to provide an alternative to C6 Gorou ❌ New on-field DPS ❌ Changes to Geo’s place in the reaction system ❌ Changes to Constructs being scuffed ✅ Albedos Thanks Mihoyo. Such a compelling addition.
To add to the list ❌A first proper off-field geo healer instead of gorou's cope C4 ✅The most interesting gameplay ever, press skill and switch for extra damage
@@Icegaze039I think since Fontaine has had so many characters focused around healing and self damage, they didn’t want to make Chiori do the same as the first 5 star in a while not from Fontaine
@@CryoKonkFor other elements its understandable but for the element that REALLY NEEDED those qualities they just really want to fuck over geo for the 4th time in a row
It's more disappointing that Chiori isn't a new Geo support because holy hell Geo needs a support that does something with their reactions. But I already can full clear Abyss so I'll probably pull her anyway.
We lack a proper geo support. Gorou is truly just a def support within geo. Hardly any reason to use him with crystallize and his elemental shard suction. If only Archaic Petra worked off-field. Could imagine him being used more in that regard. And Gorou only benefits geo if only one outside element is in the team which wastes opportunity for other elemental resonances. He also bars little effectiveness to geo constructs overall such as for Ningguang or Zhongli's constructs. A true geo support would help geo's many identities- geo constructs, def scaling, and crystallize. So we could imagine either or situations with geo all roudner support: heals team when elemental shards are picked up, scales off def; buffs def of team when active character is near a geo construct and buff lingers even after cosntruct is broken. And maybe a burst/skill that is a flying geo construct which creates remnant constructs, basically the ghosts of geo constructs that continue the duties of destroyed geo constructs. That's what I think is missing. We need a geo support capable of all grounds of geo- crystallize use, geo constructs, and def buffing with healing as added bonus.
out of all character they decided to pick one who DID NOT need to be powercrept. first, they didn't give us another winter event with him, then he had no rerun for a year and now he got a waifu version of him with better numbers. my boi Albedo did not deserve it
@@leoniichan1229 Geo’s design isn’t relevant, just give ‘em higher multipliers and “magically” the core becomes good. Navia is carried by her multipliers too despite her being geo and the crystallise reliance being nothing more than an artificial constraint. This of course doesn’t change that Geo lacks an identity and it’s in a pitiful condition
@@xanthee_imr Yeah. But still putting them both together still works. Not because they'll be as good of a duo as xingqiu+yelan for obvious reasons, but rather it's because the idea itself works regardless of their element. Like for example you can put both fischl and yae miko together simply because both of them are off field. It's team building 101 basically But yeah I agree. Geo is in such a terrible state and the devs are quite obviously not intending to fix it. Which is sad
Not related to the pre-release but I’m very glad project Amber isn’t completely discontinued, it was such a nice database that I only realized after I thought it was gone how much I actually use it, the ascension planner is also great
"I don't think she's worth pulling for to improve your Navia if you already have Geo MC" I understand what he meant but this statement is funny as fuck lmao
imma still gonna pull because at this point why not ? ***note: AR60, 3yr old account and yes I can clear abyss with c0 Dehya too with 36 star because I have c3 Nahida and all the archons and top 5 stars
because she's barely an albedo upgrade, and albedo is already a unit that is not optimal in any team... so sure, she's good, but good at being a non optimal unit anywhere. itto teams are waiting for a teamwide healer so he can use furina navia teams don't need her since her best team is xianyun-furina-benny teams... sure, you could use her in those teams, but it's cope.
For me, her C1 for Navia is basically if they made a Nilou and gave her C1 that removes her condition for Dendro/Hydro characters. Why create a character for a niche if you are going to make people pay for removing the niche? It's scummy and it's putting it lightly. Neuv's C1 has a simillar problem (although it also provides CC resist which is very valuable too, so it's not completely Furina bait). I know she still will be ok for Navia, but this combined with her boring kit that only deals damage, no real F2P weapon options and directly powercreeping Albedo makes Chiori an easy skip for me. And she's not the unit anyone wanted, becasue there are very interesting things that can be made with Geo and would be more appreciated (buffer, healer, reaction modification Nilou-style or simillarly etc.). I think it's bad sign for the future and I don't want to support it by pulling her, but ofc everyone can do what they want. It's just my opinion on this matter.
I honestly dont think "fine for navia" is even true. What is she, like 5% better than Albedo? Who is already a pretty bad? Like, I used the optimizer to see how it was and with my artifacts and it was 150K for Albedo vs 160K for Chiori. For comparison, Fischl was doing twice that amount in the team. Im not going to ask a jump like Furina does to a double hydro core, but at least reach 200K ffs. The more I look at her, the worse that C1 feels. It's like they're spitting at us in the face
Wriothesley also had the C1 issue. MHY is scalping us and people haven't paid with their wallets when they started pushing our boundaries and so they'll keep releasing every character with a FOMO/"required" C1, selling us the solution to the problem they intentionally created.
Hoyo is getting even more greedy, they are intentionally pulling out core functionality of 5-star characters and putting them in C1 now. Doesn't matter, the streamer whales will use their viewers' money to spend thousands of dollars on them. All you can do is stop playing until Hoyo knocks their absurd monetary scheme off.
@@johnathanmurray4777 This isn't even new Hu Tao is annoying at c0 but at least the rest of her cons can be skipped and you would lose nothing of value unless you min max.
I hope so, all of the 1.0 units still being meta is a "cope plus." ITS SO FUCKLING STALE FOR YEARS, and the damage ENTRY FLOOR IS STILL GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER since dendro. If they just wouldn't be scared of powercreeping xianling and suc. with xing it would've been so much better today. @@MrGshinobi
Words mean things. It’s not Split = bad and Dual = good, the multiple-scaling type determines your desired artifact stats. Split scaling means either one talent rocks while the other rots, or both talents are middling. Dual scaling means the distribution of stats doesn’t matter as much; neither talent is compromised in strength.
to be fair she's in a similar situation to itto for monogeo and to navia for anything else, there's not much to say except maybe she likes that kind of passive energy generation a bit more
chiori is not really an upgrade over albedo when it comes to noelle teams. albedo himself isn't even used with noelle all the time; many noelle mains like using yelan in slot 4 because she hyperbuffs her with her a4 passive and helps her a lot against single target, and can equip favge if the energy lost from albedo is a problem
@@FAFROthere are 2 optimal team for Noelle - Furina _Noelle, Furina, Gorou, Yunjin. This comp is Noelle carry, good when you just need raw number to clear a floor, maid goddess sweeps the floor, bad against bosses. _Noelle, Gorou, Furina, Yelan. This comp is good against Lector floors and can kill boss with a bit longer time so you need a strong team for other side. Albedo has no place in Noelle Furina comp, he doesn't solve any problem nor contribute anything. So why do you want to put Chiori who has similar function to Albedo in a Noelle Furina team?
@@sonnguyen-iv7gv I'd rather bring navia instead of yunjin in your first team, noelle consumes yunjin's buff really quickly in aoe scenarios and navia solves the boss problem, better battery for noelle too; similar things could be said for albedo/chiori. Your second team has you using gorou outside of triple geo which gimps his buff, unless he's C6 might as well bring literally any other geo unit instead. Both teams also lock you to normal attacks which might be lower DPS than spinning if you use redhorn.
Pulling to play Ningguang plunge and Itto Mono Geo. My only gripe is that Chiori’s dolls don’t follow your character. 16s cooldown against mobile enemies will feel ROUGH.
@@ancy1205there were more geo players, compared to before Itto joined the team. So Yeah, Geo was great, but after meta changed they need a buff to be comparable to other element combinations. Navia is good tho, shame you should use her maximum with 1 other geo char
I've always liked the idea of a geo shielder / healer that increases their support ability based on how many crustalize shards they get, think navia but instead of buffing damage it buffs shield strength or healing. A similar kind of thing can be done with geo constructing scaling unit, like a unit who heals or supports more based on the amount of geo constructs
Finally a Chiori pre-release. I was w8ing for your video from the moment mihoyo showed her drip marketing. She will be my 1st Geo 5* unit, i'm so excited.
split scaling and duel scaling are different split scaling means that the character has two abilitys one that scales with one stat and another that scales with a different stat this means you need to choose how much of the kit you want being good duel scalling on the other hand means the entire kit benefits from atk, and defense making allot less harsh cause going for just one stat doesnt lock you out of parts of her kit
albedo has split scaling his E is defense and his ult is atk you have to choose kinda like xinyan that use defense for support and atk for dmg you have to choose while alhaitham nahida and Dehya have double scaling meaning both stats work for them usually one better than the other but still both works it's very different
I'd argue Dehya, since the HP scaling is so low at c0, she only really has split scaling at c1. At c0 you want to choose between HP or ATK, damage or utility, just taking whatever HP stats you have if you want to deal damage. This is of course beyond the literal meaning. :D
that's all she is an improvement on a character that didn't really have a place to go Zhongli is still needed which makes her nothing but annoying sidegrade.
Finally a unit I’m comfortable skipping, you have no idea what I’ve gone through to get navia and xianyun f2p and xianyun was very lucky but I grinned my ass off so it balances out, I can save my freemos in peace while I wait for arlechino or chlorinde
Literally as a low spender this is the easiest skip I've seen in a while, and I've pulled on basically every banner since 4.0 except 4.1 I'm going to get Neuvillette I've 75 pulls already and after him I'm waiting for Kokomi and Emilie.
On the subject of scaling with 2 attributes, I saw someone's definition that makes more sense, they divided it into *DOUBLE* scalers like Alhaitham, Tighnari, Cyno and Yae that funnel one stat into another stat and more damage so any of the stats they use are actually good for their whole kit and not only part of it and *SPLIT* scalers like Dehya(C0), Xignyan and Albedo(before C2) that need one stat for one half of their kit and another stat for the other half of their kit making the players choose whether to favor one of their functions or be deficient at all their functions
You know, in Honkai Impact 3rd, theres is a mechanic that some characters can take advantage of called "Summoned Entities". Certain Stigmata, Weapons, and gameplay buffs encourage you to use characters like this. This of course includes Fischle's summon, Oz (for those who dont know, she is a crossover character in that game. Pretty decent too.) It would be nice if they added a character in Genshin that played around the idea of making summoned entities stronger, while summoning their own entitiy that gmdid more damage for each other character entity. As we have no shortage of units who summon in turrets, pet's and terrain, would lead to a lot of fun team building. Could work with the Solon Solitaire, Abledo Flower, Yae Turrets, Oz, Ushi, Zhongli Pillars, Kokomi Jellyfish, Mona/Ganyu Taunt, Chiori dolls, Guoba, etc. The combinations and possibilities are seemingly endless.
Her C1 is also good for noelle teams if you want something like gorou / chiori / noelle / furina. I'm going to use gorou / albedo / chiori / noelle, as I don't have furina and don't roll for 5* cons.
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I need more split scaling vs dual scaling explanations guys, keep them coming please.
To this day I still wish Albedo would scale with EM. I makes sense for his character, and it would make him better for Crystallize. It would still be bad and he would be weaker (since Gorou would not buff him), but would separate him more.
I honestly believe a passive that converts his defense% to Em and a buff to his ult Em boost talent would go a long way to make him an actually solid flex slot in many teams especially dendro ones
Chiori's C1 is one of the most scummy design decission MHY has made with an unit. They know ppl are waiting for a good second Geo to run with Navia and they purposefully gimped her and restricted their synergy behind a constellation to try and bait players. Hard skip.
if i were a navia main i'd get furina c1 and c2 instead, and if i really wanted to force geo resonance i'd cope with levelling my ning. abysmally horrible design beyond the levels of c1 wrio and c6 faruzan combined
@@cleod7439 her main drawbacks is only that she’s geo, and that geo has its obvious limitations in reaction impact. But as far as raw damage goes, she’s competitive with if not out damaging a lot of other off field dps options we currently have
you have the best takes out of all genshin creators imo. you're honest, you don't sugarcoat things, and you understand the game on a deep level. keep it up
hear me out, theyre adding her so we get off field geo scaling of constructs to prepare us for an actual characther that will change the geo element, by adding reactions with constructs.
isnt "SPLIT scaling" refers to units like xinyan where one stat becomes useless and you basically have to "CHOOSE 1" attribute. (def is used on shield, while atk/phys for dmg). thoma, layla, and dori are also some examples where the attributes contradict each other with the scaling, level main stat, and constellations. . while "DUAL scaling" refers to units like nahida where the damage comes from "BOTH 2" attribute (both atk and em benefits the skill). alhaitham (and to a lesser degree, yae) are examples.
There's a difference here. In the case of nahida or alhaitham all their kits works around that split scalling (alhaitham gains dmg bonus depending in how much em he have, nahida gains crit depending in how much em she have, and dendro itself gains dmg from em through spread). So in their case it's call "Dual scalling" cause both scalling don't become a lose in dmg, but a directly gain. In case like xinyan, Chiori or albedo have split scalling its not a gain to have a split scalling, its a lose (in xinyan case, don't being able to have a good shield and good dmg at the same time, in albedo case don't being able to have a good dmg with his burst and skill at the same time, and in chiori's case making her skill worse to buff thanks to the spit scalling) Difference: -dual scallers get benefited by that doble scalling, -Split scallers get handicapped by the doble scalling,
@@cleod7439 More like, split scaling is one ability scales with one attribute and the other ability scales with another different attribute. Whereas dual scaling is one ability scales with 2 different attributes at the same time In chiori's case she's the latter. Because she scales with both at the same time, instead of scaling atk with one and def with another (like albedo for example)
I think one of chioris best use cases is in a double geo team with albedo, in which crystallize is constantly being used to allow for resistance to interruption and geo resonance without sacrificing off field damage. The elemental mastery buff from albedo is actually misinterpreted sometimes as it’s a nice utility to buff crystallize shield resist and can allow carries that don’t rely on reactions (neuv, wanderer, navia, hell even Eula since she just needs a single superconduct proc) to shine a bit more. Double geo isn’t used widely with exception to hu tao but I could see chiori replacing zhongli in that slot if her damage is up to par I know they’ll never do this but albedo scaling off of elemental mastery would be such a W because then you could have really beefy crystallize shields without sacrificing skill damage
I'm surprised you didn't talk about Chiori's potential in a double Geo core. The original Zhongli/Albedo is a thing of the past now that we have better characters for most teams, but Chiori is also *much* stronger than Albedo in this role. I'm thinking using Chiori in this way is really good because double Geo can make a lot of teams comfier to play and Chiori also just adds consistent and high damage to any team where she has a construct to work with. Not saying that this is better than the most optimal version of a team, but I think it's worth mentioning as an option since double Geo has some advantages over non double Geo teams.
And where r u gonna use it? Hutao? - use double hydro Xiao? - he already gained full team Also I don't understand ur benefits of double geo, I feel like u r just referring to a benefit of zhongli shield.
much stronger than albedo (and it's not even that much stronger) is still not that great... the 2 man geo core is not optimal anywhere since units that used to run it, like hu tao, now have yelan+XQ/furina. so sure, shiori is an upgrade to a unit that was barely functional. yei
@@raulmaltrain6893 where are ur numbers on that? lmao ive ran numbers myself and have discussed her extensively with other tcers, and her numbers are significantly better than albedo. For comparison, chiori's numbers are much higher than some other very relevant off field dps, including yelan. Please do your own math before blindly following the crowds of doomposters lmao
@@kanno714 how can she ever do higher dmg then yelan(considering double hydro) and not even mentioning buffs u get from her. R u talking abt monogeo lol?
My theory crafting mind has given me the idea to run her as a main DPS on a Furina, Zhongli, Xianyun team, with Xianyun stacked for healing based support, and Chiori with Harbinger and the Hunter set. As long as you can keep her HP over that 90% you only need maybe 10% crit on your subs to put you at a comfortable 70% CR(Having 30% crit in subs across the pieces would ensure over a 60% CR even if HP drops below 90% here and there), and the rest can go to CD, Geo, DEF, and a bit of ER. So Def sands with CD and ER, Geo cup with CD, Def, and ER, and a CD head with CR and Def, Then just try to get a plume and flower with CD, DEF, ER, and CR if needed. This could let you stack a ton of DEF/CD across your pieces and even play a plunge DPS with NAs thrown in between the plunges.
I want to point out that there is a difference between split scaling and dual scaling. Split scaling is what someone like Xinyan has, where her normal attacks scale from ATK% and her shield scales from DEF%. Or Albedo where his skill is scales from DEF% and burst from ATK%. Dual scaling is what someone like Alhaitham has, where her skill and burst scale both from EM and ATK%.
and so many more the second half of 4.5, also Furina Lyney and Alhaitham will get reruns in 4.6 as well as a new region next to Chenyu Valley and this ignoring 4.7 and 8 both with 3 more characters being released.
My only problem with chiori in itto team is that the fourth slot is always fixed to a shielder. The moment we get a geo healer or shielder chiori is the one that will be replaced in favour of using furina or benett in 4th slot
itto gorou furina geo teamwide healer X probably would be better. gorou is already on favge, furina's best weapon in such a team is favge, and healer X depending on their own particle generation rate would also run favge, and it'd mean losing albedo's particle gen rate would be a small matter
@@raidensimp9214 we already use zhongli. The main requirement is to use furina (which require healing) and shield (for resonance) so ideally a healer is preferable so we can use furina and generate crystallized shield through her. A shielder+healer like bhaizu but geo is absolutely what is needed for itto. He already consolidates aoe like xiao. We are using albedo and chiori as just a sub dps for now like xiao used geo resonance before
The construct presence is not a designe direction, it's an intentional flaw with the solution hidden behidn a paywall. C1 completely removes that aspect from the character, it's not gonna be a thing.
Her banner is nice, if you don't have C6 already then it's possible to pull for Gorou cons to upgrade the Itto team, and if you get Chiori she also buffs the Itto team
tbh one of the main reasons why this got delayed was bc you were simply not that interested in her/her kit., if it were a char/char kit you really liked then the pre release would’ve been wayy in depth and you’d really hype up the char lol
dude, how much geo units they will add to make her better? 2? 3? 10? We have currently 5 5* geo units (3,5 years of genshin). Don't assume a character will get better with future releases. Especially geo.
Ideally they just really need Geo supports that would take the place of Gorou. Gorou specifically is a support that ideally wants 2 other Geo teammates atleast; different Geo supports would change the dynamic. It's not as bad as you make it sound, but this is Hoyo; they took a break for one and a half years and we've got the consequences.
@@CreationsFlare It is really bad. Chiori is like Albedo- just sub dps. Navia is quickswapper like Ningguang. Zhongli just has 1 skill (rest doesn't matter really) Itto is main carry but only for mono geo, just like Noelle.The thing is design of these characters isn't good. It's just reskins. The same goes for Furina or Wriothesley. They don't introduce to us new characters in terms of gameplay. Who need another geo sub dps. We need crystalize reaction enhancer or someone like Nilou for Geo. It's just lazy way of designing characters kits. Anyway, they don't intend to do good things with units because people will pull no matter what.
The fact that you included Furina and Wriothesley in your reskin list as a seeming complaint (from what I'm interpreting from this message) then immediately say you want what is essentially a nilou reskin for geo is just hilarious to me no lie @vuntris2437 Edit: not that I DONT want that. I do want a crystalize exploder. I just find the entire message funny
@@RomBeams8840 thats the thing. Furina is a Yelan with hp lose. Wrio is just no fly wanderer. About Nilou. To be precise about Nilou passive. It’s changing the way reactions work.Wrio and Wanderer do exactly the same. (Buff NA and deal dmg with burst). Yelan and Furina buffs dmg and deal dmg in time. Nilou changes bloom reaction. Geo needs the same gimmick. I agree this looks similar but at the same time its different. Imho it is the best way to upgrade geo.
Chiori and Alhaitham don’t have split scaling. They have dual scaling. Their abilities feed off of 2 stats. Split scaling is when different abilities feed off of different stats. Split scaling is bad but dual scaling is good
I’d argue that both are bad. Dual scaling just means that any sort of buff you get that’s not crit or damage percent is less effective.In Chiori’s case, all her dual scaling does is make the husk pieces that the geo mains who are pulling for her have less effective.
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac It's not because dual scaling allows for an easier use of 2 different stats those def pieces with godly crit ratios are now actually useable for her.
@@abdiabdi3225no that’s not what it means at all. Dual scaling means that all those def main stat pieces you get don’t actually go as far as they should on Chiori because you have a portion of your damage that comes from attack. However you still never actually want to roll attack as a substat over crit. The ideal Chiori piece still has zero attack rolls. The attack scaling literally only serves to make def buffs from things like Gorou and husk less valuable.
Both have their up and downsides. Dual scaling means the character will typically have a higher floor, but a lower ceiling. It also makes substats slightly better. And in a case like this, where the less used stat is the better scaling one, it can improve farming efficiency of a domain. In most cases though, one stat pretty clearly wins out. Like Itto is effectively dual scaling, converting def into atk. But you're not going to build him with atk%. Split scaling can be fine, if a kit is designed to take advantage of it. It can allow for a character that can be built in two different ways. Like if you had a character that was a good DPS if built for atk%, but was a good buffer if built for HP% (imagine a Zhongli that, if built for atk%, was a viable DPS). But then it has to be worth building a character either way. In Genshin, this is a bit of a problem, as we wind up with a character like Xinyan, who isn't a good DPS or a good shielder, or Albedo, whose E is much stronger than his burst/melee, and both characters are weak enough overall that, if they were able to fully take advantage of their kits, they'd still be some of Genshin's less desirable characters, but at least closer to being mid.
Nope, anything that encourages mono-geo is bad for geo at the moment. Geo desperately needs the opposite, things that encourage the inclusion of geo into teams, into the game at large. If things like Ganyu's elemental skill, Gobou, Sayu's burst, Yaoyao's elemental skill, and so on counted, then it'd be good. But they don't, and it isn't. Don't praise them for horrible design decisions. Her burst had its cooldown reduced, which is why the damage was reduced. This is something that should be mentioned, to put the damage loss in perspective. And then it should be mentioned how this cooldown doesn't mesh well into most rotations, and therefore, it effectively means just the damage was reduced ;) My theory on this reduction is that it was done for Navia synergy, with Navia having a 15s cooldown on her burst, and her C1 further reducing that cooldown. In short, to add value to Chiori's C1, at the cost of synergy with Itto.
careful someone might say that geo is an inert element, but i somewhat find it to be bs when other geo units don't incetivize, also it's only one geo character a buffer with stupid restrictions.
If your itto/noelle for some reason don't have the claymore and you'd also like to give albedo the new weapon then yeah it's pretty good. Otherwise you may want to think on it before pulling because the weapon banner itself is still a scam
@@leoniichan1229 I am using r5 serpent, so I think it's not really worth it. In the best case it will be probably around 15% team dmg increase if I get both of 5* weapons, and I already have enough dmg to clear abyss. I don't have albedo, but I will have chiori any way.
chiori doesn't need her allies geo constructs to stay alive in order to summon her second doll, and because zhong li doesn't really care that much if his construct is broken, wouldn't she work just as well as a duo geo core with zhongli as she would with itto? Theres no real reason she has to be paired with itto just because his construct doesn't get broken. Could revisit the hu tao + xing cho/yelan comp and add back in the chiori + zhongli core to it instead of the original albedo zhongli duo geo core
Afaik the problem is when you try to summon the constract but the enemy hitbox is too big so it gets destroyed immediately without triggering chiori's passive.
depends on what you have@@raulmaltrain6893 , if you're suggesting you run hu tao, xq, yelan, and zhongli, yea that obviously works, thats like, the most meta comp for hu tao that exists. I dont know how good furina would be in lieu of zhongli in that comp, would be a bit weird, and i dont see furina being an upgrade over xq or yelan in that comp either. i think obviously dropping yelan or xq in that comp for chiori (if its also running zhong li) would be a downgrade, but an option nonetheless
@@raulmaltrain6893 Tbf, Hu Tao teams with double hydro are so overkill for 99% of the game that gimping the team dps will only be noticeable in abyss 12, and even then it only matters if you are trying to speedrun or something. Double geo would feel much better in overworld and domains since energy will be less of a concern for each short skirmish. As Zajoof said himself, "sometimes coping is fun".
@@anokage7403 no way in overworld a double geo core feels more comfy than having furina and yelan... -yelan in overworld is a mobility queen (even more so at c1) -if you run double hydro-xianyun hu tao, now you also have air mobility for overworld comfyness. -furina's summons follow you compared to chiori's statick ones, and lasts half a minute, so you can jump from zone to zone while not having to recast anything to kill mobs. -you can even heal the entire team with furina, not that you'd have problems with it anyway. TLDR; double hydro is better not only dps-wise, but also QoL overworld wise. TLDR2:chiori is garbo.
That's definitely a category 3 team. Lots of cope teams clear content fine. They're just not optimal. And while Furina may be meta for Noelle, Noelle is not meta for Furina.
4:30 Tbf i also don't know if hoyo would do anything like this, but as it stands right now they HAVE good incentive to buff geo characters that do summon constructs. Navia being a strong unit + Noelle being a better Itto with Furina + Chiori being a better Albedo, and none of these characters technically have constructs. If they want to even the playing field or even make it so that some of them are better under certain situations, it could actually be really neat to have units that help geo units that do make constructs.
Can’t make something that was never great in the first place great again. Geo constructs were the very definition of shit from the start, and will stay that way until the end of time.
@@SoarAnthem Jeepers, I'm so hyped for more geo constructs! Like who even waits for Skirk and Dain? Not me, that's for sure! There's just no way it would take them two whole years this time, am I right? I sure hope they wouldn't just forget about constructs entirely when they release them, but surely they wouldn't do something like that!
They could rework Geo construct in general and slate it like a bug fix, not buff nor nerf. But this is Mihoyo, they won't fix anything that doesn't bring them direct financial benefits.
Hear me out: Navia, Bird (Xianyun), Furina, Chiori It's pretty nice for navia, because she can E and then Geo-plunge like 3 times, which also gives cristalize shards, then E again, plunge, etc.
Navia Xianyun Furina is already a very strong and known core, arguably the strongest. The 4th slot is essentially a "flex" with Zhongli, Bennett and Chiori being all sidegrades with different pros and cons. So basically Chiori for Navia is roughly a sidegrade to alternatives we already have
@@Bethel0Speak for your own Furina. Mine has 115 ER and that's more than enough for her as solo hydro. Lvl 13 skill, 42k health, and C6 her personal damage is Neuvillette-level. 🙂
i think its just that people dont know the differences between the split scaling characters/what makes them bad or good. Zajef just thinks its funny cuz dual scaling is just a type of split scaling. And technically Chiori isn't completely dual scaling since her autos dont scale of defense (w/o c6 ofc)
To me she will feel better than albedo and Zhongli just beacause her doll is not a construct so it can't be destroyed, you are sure to get the energy and the dmg. For instance when fighting copelia, the construct is always destroyed... So yes an upgrade overall
It's can't be destroyed but majority if her dmg is gated behind a construct.... so she is anchored to those u it's xd thus her requiring them is Even worse than them Xd
@@sylent0253 The constructs don't have to stay intact for her doll. So no she's not worse than them, as long as you place the constructs the second doll will spawn. Doesn't matter if they're destroyed later, the doll stays and does damage
@@domi8499 yeah, crystallize is definitely a reaction between copers and hopers, she feeds off of them. Geo and physical do not exist in the game, the yellow damager numbers come from all the tears and pee of players crying over why Navia is so good (she would've been better had she been any other element such as dendro).
Just pull albedo , without a construct chiori does less compared to him as her passive requires a construct. And if u already jave him get Bennet. Ur not playing Mono geo if furna is in ur team
A split scaler is a unit who uses 2 stats for separate things. Prime example is albedo, his burst scales with atk and his skill scales with def. So you have to choose which stat is more worth it, in this case def. A dual scaler is someone who scales with 2 stats. Examples can be al haitham and nahida. They scale with both em and atk but more with em so its worth more to build em into but unlike split scalers an atk% sub wont go unused. Same with chiori, she is a dual scares but scales more with def but an atk sub wont be wasted on her. Idk why dual scalers would get a bad rep or if they have a bad rep to begin with and zajeff just said it for fun, but dual scaling aint what makes a unit bad, bad kit and bad multipliers do
things could have gone much better for Chiori if geo units weren't as they are now: Gorou being so underwhelming compared to Faruzan as Geo/Anemo support and Navia not having a Geo Contruct (would consider this one of Navia's downside, they could have easily gave her one), and hopefully, they will release a better Geo Main Dps than itto
I don't get why they wont just add an aura effect to constructs that are destroyed so for albedo's flower for example, it will still apply the effects minus the construct being there with basic interactions
Navia has made geo great again. Chiori did not. She's just Albedo 2.0. Lost potential. A universal buffer? No. Geo healer? No. A normal geo set carrier that grabs crystals? No. Albedo 2.0? Hell yeah!!!
She's not a bad character. Her skills are just secondary. The only interesting possibility is a quick swap of characters. The use of geo structures does not add new mechanics for the team or enemies.
Navia has made geo great again? Girl has nothing to do with geo apart from the crystals. The sole reason why she's good is because she sucessfully escaped from the mono-geo prison.
@@vladdyru She uses 99% of the crystallization capabilities in its current form. You don't need to run for crystals, you don't need shield (stagger resistance) in her commands, you get higher damage numbers. The problem is crystallization, not Navia. P. S. The concept of "geo Nilou" is stupid. In this case, most non-mono-geo teams will be tied to this character.
Honestly navia doesn't make geo good at all. She's just good on her own like how raiden didn't make electro good If you ask me I'd say second albedo is exactly what mono geo needs (not what the element itself need)in order to keep up with the numbers inflation But unfortunately her kit is done rather poorly + the inflation is much bigger than we thought which makes our expectations higher. Just albedo isn't enough for today's standard anymore. A geo yelan or geo furina (or you can think of it as albedo and gorou combined) would've been better P.S The reason why I called it inflation is because no unit has been actually powercrept as they can still beat the abyss. But the new units in terms of numbers, some in terms of mechanic (some in terms of both, neuvillette *cough*) are quite obviously way better than old units. That's why I called it inflation
I dont get why people dont get it. She is bad. 1. All she has is damage 2. No flexible teams at C0 3. Artificial problems only to solve them with cons 4. Her entire kit literally says..."Does damage!" - Thats it. 5. 16 sec cooldown...so even if the puppets dont count as constructs ...good luck when the enemy jumps away after placing them... 6. She is geo - and not Navia. And if you want a sub dps...just use Yelan, Yae, Fischl or anything else. And of course she is playable. Its Genshin...it has no combat and no difficulty.
Navia simps are disappointed that our god Arataki Itto has got a new toy instead of them 💪 Just kidding. They did her extremely dirty on beta cycle. But she is still a fine unit for those who are tired of Albedo's stupid flower which breaks every now and then. About the last sentence - you never play geo because it's optimal. Let's be fair - it never is. You play geo only because you want to.
I played in 1.0 and i have cinnabar. I have navia and a benched itto, and I dont have zhongli or albedo. So my account is one of those rare instances where chiori is decent. I was already going to pull for her design and JP va, but it's nice to know i can slot her in places and as an upgrade.
ehh for the stat scaling part i think its just ppl confusing possible multiple scenarios together. there can be 2 scenarios (so far) where 2 different stats serve 2 different purposes or just 1, hence split for the first and dual for the second respectively. worst offender of split-scaling prolly is Xinyan where her shield scales on her defense and her dmg primarily scales on her atk; there's also Albedo whose skill scales on defense but his burst scales on atk. then there are "dual-scalers" like Nahida, Al Haitham, and now Chiori, also hyper Raiden to an extent, where 2 stats contribute to 1 aspect of their kit which is their dmg output.
I was thinking about that, but if Chiori's skill cooldown is really 16 seconds (2:19), it may be a mess to reset after Noelle's rotation with her skill cooldown of 24 seconds. As someone who played Noelle, Albedo, Gorou, Furina in the last two abysses, I think it would be "clunky" but not unplayable since at least you can switch out of Noelle to re-cast the skill. Gorou is less clunky to play since Noelle snapshots the DEF to ATK conversion when you cast the burst, so leaving Gorou's circle or Gorou's ability expiring isn't a DPS loss (compared to missing a few shots from Chiori's skill).
@@studiesinflux1304 i played with Yelan this Abyss and her cooldown is 18 seconds, which didn't feel clunky to me, I just swap back to Furina, then Yelan, then Albedo and back to on field on Noelle every time Yelans burst is up again. So it likely won't feel much different with a 17 second cooldown, which seems to be the case from the leaks. Noelle is sort of just the healer, sure she does a decent amount of damage but it's primarily Furina and Yelan dishing out the damage. My Yelan is C2 so I'm not sure how well Chiori will compare damage wise though
As someone who doesn't use any geo upto now but will pull her just for her design I'm pretty annoyed with the geo construct restriction as there are almost no options and the only one that doesn't feel like it's a dead teammate is zhongli which I don't have
Stuck between Albetwo and Albedon't, though she is a bit more leaning towards Albetwo, since Albedo is the og Albedon't. I was expecting her burst to do something aside from damage, give some to cope, like the 125 EM alfredo buff...
I would love it if you added substat priorities in these videos and how valuable they are - (are Crit stats the best, how far behind is DEF% and ATK% etc.)
Honestly i really wished they added a team wide heal for her burst. I don't understand why they didn't do that, i don't think i want to keep using Noelle as a healer, even Diona is better than her as a shielder and a healer. Mhy really be hating geo :/ i would get Albedo to be with her but it still sucks
An important question for you Zajef, how does Zhongli+Chiori performs compared to Zhongli+C6Yunjin in, for example, Yoimiya team? Does her Geo application mess up with Yoimiya's vapes? Does her damage compensates Yunjin's buffs?
@@cleod7439 It's basically the same. Just in yellow color. At least physical never pretended to be its own element and exists in NA of almost every character.
"Cinnabar is an old event weapon so you might not have it, you can use festering instead"
Big oof
Tbf there are plenty of old players who have skipped some patches or events
But yeah, referencing an even older event weapon is funny lol
Thankfully, both options are worse than Harbinger...for now
@@el7284 Harbinger is good if you have a good crit ratio, cause it literally just adds on top of it. For a 3 Star, it's insanely efficient for him
Yea, I was like what lmao.
people are getting into the semantics of when to call a character "split scaling" or "dual scaling". From the overall consensus that i've seen, people call "split scaling characters" are those part of their kit scales with one stat, and other parts of their kit scales with some other stat. Albedo C0 for example, his skill scales with DEF, while his burst scales with ATK.
"Dual Scaling" on the other hand are characters who's kit scales BOTH with the two different stats. Alhaitham for example, scales both with ATK and EM, you DON'T need to choose EM so that his Skill does more damage, nor ATK so his burst does more damage since his Skill and burst scales with both ATK and EM.
Em and atack can be gained from multiple different buffs and sets , Def is literally on 1 set and 1 gorou.
Are u gonna slot Bennet just for her ? Lol no
You can't get a reasonable atack AND defence at the same time , whereas alhaitham gain easily 100 from dendro res , guided dreams giving up to 180 aswell and em weapon and suddenly he is 400 ish em without even taking into account artefact quality or main stats on them.......
This. The terminology pertains to a characters scaling and kit. Another way to visualize the difference is "doubling dipping" into two or more stats to get more output for a given skill/burst. Albedo vs Alhaitham is a great example which you pointed out. From that example, the general consensus is not so much that "split scaling" is bad but "dual scaling" is just better. I can't imagine Albedo mains turning down the opportunity for both his skill and burst to scale off a portion of ATK and DEF. Or just have skill and burst scale off one stat so it FEELS better from surface level view.
Of course, these scalings are all subject to balancing and really only serve as "levers" for hoyo to adjust a characters power level. For instance, Albedo does have split scaling but Hoyo could make him top tier just by pumping his numbers up.
@@sylent0253 This is the main reason why DEF Main/Sub Stats are much higher than every other stats. It's their way of balancing the stats distribution.
You're absolutely right and I really don't understand how this was so clearly missed lol
I don’t think this definition works all that well. Let’s say we have an hypothetical unit called Susbedo which has a skill that scales with atk and a burst that scales with def and the damage distribution is 50/50 between skill and burst. You would build him with both atk and def just like a “dual scaler” even though he is supposed to be a split scaler by definition. Meanwhile a unit like Ayato by definition is a “dual scaler” but his HP scaling on NAs are so negligible that most people forget about it, while external HP buff doesn’t hurt you definitely don’t want to see his artifacts roll HP%.
Point being, the definitions that you gave aren’t really useful because it doesn’t tell us which stat you should build. A more useful definition should be based on damage distribution over the entire kit, something like “If investing into one stat is 5 times more efficient than the other => not split scaling” “Investing into one stat is not significantly less efficient than the other => split scaling” (where the stats are not multiplicative with each other).
❌ New Sustain option to replace Zhongli
❌ New buffer to provide an alternative to C6 Gorou
❌ New on-field DPS
❌ Changes to Geo’s place in the reaction system
❌ Changes to Constructs being scuffed
✅ Albedos
Thanks Mihoyo. Such a compelling addition.
More like Albecute.
why do we want to replace zl and gorou, no one's asking for a better faruzan either
Tbf we have three geo on-fielders already
To add to the list
❌A first proper off-field geo healer instead of gorou's cope C4
✅The most interesting gameplay ever, press skill and switch for extra damage
2.0 albedo
Why does this game need Chiori? idk
I'm so used to how fluid Furina summons were, looking at the doll animations and attack range made me lol'd
Her dolls really are pathetic compared to Furina’s pets😭
albedo's flower has more animation than her dolls lmao
and they got the AoE of Yae's totems om
What do you mean by "fluid"?
If you meant how "alive" they look and when they're moving everywhere, then that's true.🤭
@@Accomplish305because they're made of water? 🤓
after albeduno comes albedos
I wish her burst reduced geo res or something
Just thar change alone would make her interesting
i was hoping for that too.. but yeah, what do you expect from hoyo
That, plus her puppets healing the onfield char instead of dealing crappy DMG.
@@Icegaze039I think since Fontaine has had so many characters focused around healing and self damage, they didn’t want to make Chiori do the same as the first 5 star in a while not from Fontaine
@@CryoKonkFor other elements its understandable but for the element that REALLY NEEDED those qualities they just really want to fuck over geo for the 4th time in a row
Gorou is actually the only unit that trully wants more geo units, and he happens to be the only geo buffer we have, so...
It's more disappointing that Chiori isn't a new Geo support because holy hell Geo needs a support that does something with their reactions.
But I already can full clear Abyss so I'll probably pull her anyway.
And they not only give us another albedo instead of a buffer, but also don't give the albedos snapshot, so gorou is even more irrelevant
Technically, All Geo dmg dealers want double Geo for the resonance
Gorou itself is a strong incentive to use three Geo characters
We lack a proper geo support. Gorou is truly just a def support within geo. Hardly any reason to use him with crystallize and his elemental shard suction. If only Archaic Petra worked off-field. Could imagine him being used more in that regard. And Gorou only benefits geo if only one outside element is in the team which wastes opportunity for other elemental resonances. He also bars little effectiveness to geo constructs overall such as for Ningguang or Zhongli's constructs.
A true geo support would help geo's many identities- geo constructs, def scaling, and crystallize. So we could imagine either or situations with geo all roudner support: heals team when elemental shards are picked up, scales off def; buffs def of team when active character is near a geo construct and buff lingers even after cosntruct is broken. And maybe a burst/skill that is a flying geo construct which creates remnant constructs, basically the ghosts of geo constructs that continue the duties of destroyed geo constructs.
That's what I think is missing. We need a geo support capable of all grounds of geo- crystallize use, geo constructs, and def buffing with healing as added bonus.
out of all character they decided to pick one who DID NOT need to be powercrept. first, they didn't give us another winter event with him, then he had no rerun for a year and now he got a waifu version of him with better numbers. my boi Albedo did not deserve it
Just saying, have you ever thought about putting them both together? Like xingqiu and yelan?
@@leoniichan1229It's only worth it with Noelle and not even by much. It can work as a "flex" core in other archetypes but won't be relevant for meta
@@xanthee_imr Tbf, that's because geo itself is a terribly designed element. Not that the idea itself is a bad one
@@leoniichan1229 Geo’s design isn’t relevant, just give ‘em higher multipliers and “magically” the core becomes good. Navia is carried by her multipliers too despite her being geo and the crystallise reliance being nothing more than an artificial constraint.
This of course doesn’t change that Geo lacks an identity and it’s in a pitiful condition
@@xanthee_imr Yeah. But still putting them both together still works. Not because they'll be as good of a duo as xingqiu+yelan for obvious reasons, but rather it's because the idea itself works regardless of their element. Like for example you can put both fischl and yae miko together simply because both of them are off field. It's team building 101 basically
But yeah I agree. Geo is in such a terrible state and the devs are quite obviously not intending to fix it. Which is sad
Not related to the pre-release but I’m very glad project Amber isn’t completely discontinued, it was such a nice database that I only realized after I thought it was gone how much I actually use it, the ascension planner is also great
Chiover
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It was Geover from the beginning.
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excuse me sir, are you implying i should feel chisorry for her?
you’re right. i should.
"I don't think she's worth pulling for to improve your Navia if you already have Geo MC"
I understand what he meant but this statement is funny as fuck lmao
I use Zhongli in my Navia Team for Geo Resonance.
note that he means only against bosses so that u dun have the cringe ahah objects blocking ur path and ur abilities
Zajef: "she's pretty good"
Comments: "it's over" "easy skip" "mhy hates geo" "x.5 curse"
Geo.
she may be good but her kit is boring as hell, of course people don’t wanna pull for her
imma still gonna pull because at this point why not ?
***note: AR60, 3yr old account and yes I can clear abyss with c0 Dehya too with 36 star because I have c3 Nahida and all the archons and top 5 stars
because she's barely an albedo upgrade, and albedo is already a unit that is not optimal in any team... so sure, she's good, but good at being a non optimal unit anywhere.
itto teams are waiting for a teamwide healer so he can use furina
navia teams don't need her since her best team is xianyun-furina-benny teams...
sure, you could use her in those teams, but it's cope.
Inazuma has fallen
Millions must skip
Words to live by:
"Sometimes coping is fun" - Zajeff77, 2024.
these words are my religion
It is a design failure when the animation time of a 5* burst results in damage loss.
dehya om
Zhongli moment.
@@user-rm3itr40rndi mean at least zhongli has a unique stun mechanic, chiori is just damage.
For me, her C1 for Navia is basically if they made a Nilou and gave her C1 that removes her condition for Dendro/Hydro characters. Why create a character for a niche if you are going to make people pay for removing the niche? It's scummy and it's putting it lightly. Neuv's C1 has a simillar problem (although it also provides CC resist which is very valuable too, so it's not completely Furina bait).
I know she still will be ok for Navia, but this combined with her boring kit that only deals damage, no real F2P weapon options and directly powercreeping Albedo makes Chiori an easy skip for me. And she's not the unit anyone wanted, becasue there are very interesting things that can be made with Geo and would be more appreciated (buffer, healer, reaction modification Nilou-style or simillarly etc.).
I think it's bad sign for the future and I don't want to support it by pulling her, but ofc everyone can do what they want. It's just my opinion on this matter.
I honestly dont think "fine for navia" is even true. What is she, like 5% better than Albedo? Who is already a pretty bad? Like, I used the optimizer to see how it was and with my artifacts and it was 150K for Albedo vs 160K for Chiori. For comparison, Fischl was doing twice that amount in the team. Im not going to ask a jump like Furina does to a double hydro core, but at least reach 200K ffs. The more I look at her, the worse that C1 feels. It's like they're spitting at us in the face
Wriothesley also had the C1 issue. MHY is scalping us and people haven't paid with their wallets when they started pushing our boundaries and so they'll keep releasing every character with a FOMO/"required" C1, selling us the solution to the problem they intentionally created.
@JenriqueGamer That Calc is not talking into account the lack of crystallize when you play solo geo
Hoyo is getting even more greedy, they are intentionally pulling out core functionality of 5-star characters and putting them in C1 now. Doesn't matter, the streamer whales will use their viewers' money to spend thousands of dollars on them. All you can do is stop playing until Hoyo knocks their absurd monetary scheme off.
@@johnathanmurray4777 This isn't even new Hu Tao is annoying at c0 but at least the rest of her cons can be skipped and you would lose nothing of value unless you min max.
Extra time to gather Arlecchino funds.
Thanks, Chiori, very cool.
Based, our father gigachad arlecchino is gonna powercreep xiangling and hu tao just like neuvillette did for other hydro units AWARE
my man
I hope so, all of the 1.0 units still being meta is a "cope plus." ITS SO FUCKLING STALE FOR YEARS, and the damage ENTRY FLOOR IS STILL GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER since dendro.
If they just wouldn't be scared of powercreeping xianling and suc. with xing it would've been so much better today. @@MrGshinobi
@@MrGshinobishe's going to be the ceiling of Pyro dps fr fr
@@pyronado4320 of course pyronado4320 GOUBA GET THEM
Her normals are very pretty. Hoyo cooks normal attacks on characters that will never use them so much 😭
it's probably on purpose. i considered building physical yunjin for a while just for her NA's and her visuals in general
Cyno crying in a corner 😂
Gonna use her onfield in my Navia team to cope :/
Fr, I always think that when I play someone like Baizhu in coop
Words mean things. It’s not Split = bad and Dual = good, the multiple-scaling type determines your desired artifact stats. Split scaling means either one talent rocks while the other rots, or both talents are middling. Dual scaling means the distribution of stats doesn’t matter as much; neither talent is compromised in strength.
Noelle must've killed his pet cat or something to get completely erased from the video.
to be fair she's in a similar situation to itto for monogeo and to navia for anything else, there's not much to say except maybe she likes that kind of passive energy generation a bit more
I was gonna say the same thing. Noelle/furina/chiori/Gorou should slap, ESPECIALLY if chiori is c1
chiori is not really an upgrade over albedo when it comes to noelle teams. albedo himself isn't even used with noelle all the time; many noelle mains like using yelan in slot 4 because she hyperbuffs her with her a4 passive and helps her a lot against single target, and can equip favge if the energy lost from albedo is a problem
@@FAFROthere are 2 optimal team for Noelle - Furina
_Noelle, Furina, Gorou, Yunjin. This comp is Noelle carry, good when you just need raw number to clear a floor, maid goddess sweeps the floor, bad against bosses.
_Noelle, Gorou, Furina, Yelan. This comp is good against Lector floors and can kill boss with a bit longer time so you need a strong team for other side.
Albedo has no place in Noelle Furina comp, he doesn't solve any problem nor contribute anything. So why do you want to put Chiori who has similar function to Albedo in a Noelle Furina team?
@@sonnguyen-iv7gv I'd rather bring navia instead of yunjin in your first team, noelle consumes yunjin's buff really quickly in aoe scenarios and navia solves the boss problem, better battery for noelle too; similar things could be said for albedo/chiori. Your second team has you using gorou outside of triple geo which gimps his buff, unless he's C6 might as well bring literally any other geo unit instead. Both teams also lock you to normal attacks which might be lower DPS than spinning if you use redhorn.
Pulling to play Ningguang plunge and Itto Mono Geo.
My only gripe is that Chiori’s dolls don’t follow your character. 16s cooldown against mobile enemies will feel ROUGH.
That's so unnecessary cliche
@@nikumilotic1333 What is?
@@baguette_connoisseurI think? They mean niche
okay after knowing they don't actually move is a deal breaker for me lol
@user-rk1ck1hw9i it only matters in ow. They should cover round the full abyss
Great AGAIN? Since when was geo great in the first place KEKW
I clearly remember people LOVING mono geo when Itto came out and it was considered one of the strongest and most fun teams
@@nathho Nah. Not people, just Itto main
@@ancy1205there were more geo players, compared to before Itto joined the team. So Yeah, Geo was great, but after meta changed they need a buff to be comparable to other element combinations. Navia is good tho, shame you should use her maximum with 1 other geo char
@@nathhoThat's itto mains KEKW
Is just a meme title bro 😒
I've always liked the idea of a geo shielder / healer that increases their support ability based on how many crustalize shards they get, think navia but instead of buffing damage it buffs shield strength or healing. A similar kind of thing can be done with geo constructing scaling unit, like a unit who heals or supports more based on the amount of geo constructs
Finally a Chiori pre-release. I was w8ing for your video from the moment mihoyo showed her drip marketing. She will be my 1st Geo 5* unit, i'm so excited.
Gl bro, hope you enjoy her
Good luck! Hope you have fun with her!
Thx bro, I definitelly will.@@eclipseeffigy
Thanks. Good luck will be needed bcs i almost always lose my 50/50💀 i won only on Kokomi, Nilou and Yelan.@@slaybutton1692
Better wait for Navia rerun. It's gonna be 4.6 or 4.7.
split scaling and duel scaling are different
split scaling means that the character has two abilitys one that scales with one stat and another that scales with a different stat
this means you need to choose how much of the kit you want being good
duel scalling on the other hand means the entire kit benefits from atk, and defense making allot less harsh cause going for just one stat doesnt lock you out of parts of her kit
Hoyo really expect us to pull on geo banner when the father is right around the corner 💀
Rock character, I shall pull 🗿
@@SoarAnthem rock gang unite
Kinda tired of these top-premium-ultra-mega-hypetrain-milfs releasing every month or two, so sure why not :/
albedo has split scaling his E is defense and his ult is atk you have to choose kinda like xinyan that use defense for support and atk for dmg you have to choose while alhaitham nahida and Dehya have double scaling meaning both stats work for them usually one better than the other but still both works it's very different
I'd argue Dehya, since the HP scaling is so low at c0, she only really has split scaling at c1. At c0 you want to choose between HP or ATK, damage or utility, just taking whatever HP stats you have if you want to deal damage. This is of course beyond the literal meaning. :D
I don't think she is bad, she seems pretty good, I just wish she was a bit more than....premium Albedo.
that's all she is an improvement on a character that didn't really have a place to go Zhongli is still needed which makes her nothing but annoying sidegrade.
we just gotta c6 her
Finally a unit I’m comfortable skipping, you have no idea what I’ve gone through to get navia and xianyun f2p and xianyun was very lucky but I grinned my ass off so it balances out, I can save my freemos in peace while I wait for arlechino or chlorinde
Literally as a low spender this is the easiest skip I've seen in a while, and I've pulled on basically every banner since 4.0 except 4.1 I'm going to get Neuvillette I've 75 pulls already and after him I'm waiting for Kokomi and Emilie.
Me about to unleash sacrificial sword onfielder Chiori 🗿
On the subject of scaling with 2 attributes, I saw someone's definition that makes more sense, they divided it into *DOUBLE* scalers like Alhaitham, Tighnari, Cyno and Yae that funnel one stat into another stat and more damage so any of the stats they use are actually good for their whole kit and not only part of it and *SPLIT* scalers like Dehya(C0), Xignyan and Albedo(before C2) that need one stat for one half of their kit and another stat for the other half of their kit making the players choose whether to favor one of their functions or be deficient at all their functions
You know, in Honkai Impact 3rd, theres is a mechanic that some characters can take advantage of called "Summoned Entities". Certain Stigmata, Weapons, and gameplay buffs encourage you to use characters like this. This of course includes Fischle's summon, Oz (for those who dont know, she is a crossover character in that game. Pretty decent too.)
It would be nice if they added a character in Genshin that played around the idea of making summoned entities stronger, while summoning their own entitiy that gmdid more damage for each other character entity.
As we have no shortage of units who summon in turrets, pet's and terrain, would lead to a lot of fun team building.
Could work with the Solon Solitaire, Abledo Flower, Yae Turrets, Oz, Ushi, Zhongli Pillars, Kokomi Jellyfish, Mona/Ganyu Taunt, Chiori dolls, Guoba, etc. The combinations and possibilities are seemingly endless.
Her C1 is also good for noelle teams if you want something like gorou / chiori / noelle / furina. I'm going to use gorou / albedo / chiori / noelle, as I don't have furina and don't roll for 5* cons.
I need more split scaling vs dual scaling explanations guys, keep them coming please.
To this day I still wish Albedo would scale with EM. I makes sense for his character, and it would make him better for Crystallize.
It would still be bad and he would be weaker (since Gorou would not buff him), but would separate him more.
I honestly believe a passive that converts his defense% to Em and a buff to his ult Em boost talent would go a long way to make him an actually solid flex slot in many teams especially dendro ones
Chiori's C1 is one of the most scummy design decission MHY has made with an unit. They know ppl are waiting for a good second Geo to run with Navia and they purposefully gimped her and restricted their synergy behind a constellation to try and bait players. Hard skip.
Even worse that they made a point to include navia in Chiori's trailer
if i were a navia main i'd get furina c1 and c2 instead, and if i really wanted to force geo resonance i'd cope with levelling my ning. abysmally horrible design beyond the levels of c1 wrio and c6 faruzan combined
Dehya C1 is also same by the x.5 also.
nah i think wrio is most
She really feels just like a whatever unit. So bad, her design is pretty nice
Basically a 4star
I want Chiori to use Archaic Petra in different team even used in non Geo team. But yeah Hoyoverse
@@cleod7439 her main drawbacks is only that she’s geo, and that geo has its obvious limitations in reaction impact. But as far as raw damage goes, she’s competitive with if not out damaging a lot of other off field dps options we currently have
@@cleod7439 oh if she is 4star what about albedo now?
Her design is mediocre and bland. Her boring personality is not much better.
you have the best takes out of all genshin creators imo. you're honest, you don't sugarcoat things, and you understand the game on a deep level. keep it up
hear me out, theyre adding her so we get off field geo scaling of constructs to prepare us for an actual characther that will change the geo element, by adding reactions with constructs.
isnt "SPLIT scaling" refers to units like xinyan where one stat becomes useless and you basically have to "CHOOSE 1" attribute. (def is used on shield, while atk/phys for dmg).
thoma, layla, and dori are also some examples where the attributes contradict each other with the scaling, level main stat, and constellations.
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while "DUAL scaling" refers to units like nahida where the damage comes from "BOTH 2" attribute (both atk and em benefits the skill).
alhaitham (and to a lesser degree, yae) are examples.
yeah im shocked even tc'ers dont know the difference between split and dual lolz
There's a difference here.
In the case of nahida or alhaitham all their kits works around that split scalling (alhaitham gains dmg bonus depending in how much em he have, nahida gains crit depending in how much em she have, and dendro itself gains dmg from em through spread). So in their case it's call "Dual scalling" cause both scalling don't become a lose in dmg, but a directly gain.
In case like xinyan, Chiori or albedo have split scalling its not a gain to have a split scalling, its a lose (in xinyan case, don't being able to have a good shield and good dmg at the same time, in albedo case don't being able to have a good dmg with his burst and skill at the same time, and in chiori's case making her skill worse to buff thanks to the spit scalling)
Difference:
-dual scallers get benefited by that doble scalling,
-Split scallers get handicapped by the doble scalling,
@@cleod7439 More like, split scaling is one ability scales with one attribute and the other ability scales with another different attribute. Whereas dual scaling is one ability scales with 2 different attributes at the same time
In chiori's case she's the latter. Because she scales with both at the same time, instead of scaling atk with one and def with another (like albedo for example)
I think one of chioris best use cases is in a double geo team with albedo, in which crystallize is constantly being used to allow for resistance to interruption and geo resonance without sacrificing off field damage. The elemental mastery buff from albedo is actually misinterpreted sometimes as it’s a nice utility to buff crystallize shield resist and can allow carries that don’t rely on reactions (neuv, wanderer, navia, hell even Eula since she just needs a single superconduct proc) to shine a bit more. Double geo isn’t used widely with exception to hu tao but I could see chiori replacing zhongli in that slot if her damage is up to par
I know they’ll never do this but albedo scaling off of elemental mastery would be such a W because then you could have really beefy crystallize shields without sacrificing skill damage
I'm surprised you didn't talk about Chiori's potential in a double Geo core. The original Zhongli/Albedo is a thing of the past now that we have better characters for most teams, but Chiori is also *much* stronger than Albedo in this role.
I'm thinking using Chiori in this way is really good because double Geo can make a lot of teams comfier to play and Chiori also just adds consistent and high damage to any team where she has a construct to work with.
Not saying that this is better than the most optimal version of a team, but I think it's worth mentioning as an option since double Geo has some advantages over non double Geo teams.
And where r u gonna use it?
Hutao? - use double hydro
Xiao? - he already gained full team
Also I don't understand ur benefits of double geo, I feel like u r just referring to a benefit of zhongli shield.
much stronger than albedo (and it's not even that much stronger) is still not that great...
the 2 man geo core is not optimal anywhere since units that used to run it, like hu tao, now have yelan+XQ/furina.
so sure, shiori is an upgrade to a unit that was barely functional. yei
@@raulmaltrain6893 where are ur numbers on that? lmao
ive ran numbers myself and have discussed her extensively with other tcers, and her numbers are significantly better than albedo. For comparison, chiori's numbers are much higher than some other very relevant off field dps, including yelan. Please do your own math before blindly following the crowds of doomposters lmao
and if u did your numbers already, then reconsider your assumptions
@@kanno714 how can she ever do higher dmg then yelan(considering double hydro) and not even mentioning buffs u get from her. R u talking abt monogeo lol?
yo congrats on 100k man
My theory crafting mind has given me the idea to run her as a main DPS on a Furina, Zhongli, Xianyun team, with Xianyun stacked for healing based support, and Chiori with Harbinger and the Hunter set. As long as you can keep her HP over that 90% you only need maybe 10% crit on your subs to put you at a comfortable 70% CR(Having 30% crit in subs across the pieces would ensure over a 60% CR even if HP drops below 90% here and there), and the rest can go to CD, Geo, DEF, and a bit of ER. So Def sands with CD and ER, Geo cup with CD, Def, and ER, and a CD head with CR and Def, Then just try to get a plume and flower with CD, DEF, ER, and CR if needed. This could let you stack a ton of DEF/CD across your pieces and even play a plunge DPS with NAs thrown in between the plunges.
Your beard get better looking every time I see it
I want to point out that there is a difference between split scaling and dual scaling.
Split scaling is what someone like Xinyan has, where her normal attacks scale from ATK% and her shield scales from DEF%. Or Albedo where his skill is scales from DEF% and burst from ATK%.
Dual scaling is what someone like Alhaitham has, where her skill and burst scale both from EM and ATK%.
You can play her with Itto or COPE. Yes XD
GL to anyone who still gonna pull her knowing that father is coming soon XD
and so many more the second half of 4.5, also Furina Lyney and Alhaitham will get reruns in 4.6 as well as a new region next to Chenyu Valley and this ignoring 4.7 and 8 both with 3 more characters being released.
My only problem with chiori in itto team is that the fourth slot is always fixed to a shielder. The moment we get a geo healer or shielder chiori is the one that will be replaced in favour of using furina or benett in 4th slot
My thinking exactly.
itto gorou furina geo teamwide healer X probably would be better. gorou is already on favge, furina's best weapon in such a team is favge, and healer X depending on their own particle generation rate would also run favge, and it'd mean losing albedo's particle gen rate would be a small matter
Mono Geo don't improve you consistent experience Powercreep inside that particular team.
The moment we get a geo healer or shielder
Why didnt use ZL =-=?
@@raidensimp9214 we already use zhongli. The main requirement is to use furina (which require healing) and shield (for resonance) so ideally a healer is preferable so we can use furina and generate crystallized shield through her. A shielder+healer like bhaizu but geo is absolutely what is needed for itto.
He already consolidates aoe like xiao. We are using albedo and chiori as just a sub dps for now like xiao used geo resonance before
The construct presence is not a designe direction, it's an intentional flaw with the solution hidden behidn a paywall. C1 completely removes that aspect from the character, it's not gonna be a thing.
Her banner is nice, if you don't have C6 already then it's possible to pull for Gorou cons to upgrade the Itto team, and if you get Chiori she also buffs the Itto team
tbh one of the main reasons why this got delayed was bc you were simply not that interested in her/her kit., if it were a char/char kit you really liked then the pre release would’ve been wayy in depth and you’d really hype up the char lol
Good luck to everyone on the Gorou rerun banners for those who are pulling
Soon..."BIG HU TAO"
dude, how much geo units they will add to make her better? 2? 3? 10? We have currently 5 5* geo units (3,5 years of genshin). Don't assume a character will get better with future releases. Especially geo.
Ideally they just really need Geo supports that would take the place of Gorou. Gorou specifically is a support that ideally wants 2 other Geo teammates atleast; different Geo supports would change the dynamic.
It's not as bad as you make it sound, but this is Hoyo; they took a break for one and a half years and we've got the consequences.
@@CreationsFlare It is really bad. Chiori is like Albedo- just sub dps. Navia is quickswapper like Ningguang. Zhongli just has 1 skill (rest doesn't matter really) Itto is main carry but only for mono geo, just like Noelle.The thing is design of these characters isn't good. It's just reskins. The same goes for Furina or Wriothesley. They don't introduce to us new characters in terms of gameplay. Who need another geo sub dps. We need crystalize reaction enhancer or someone like Nilou for Geo. It's just lazy way of designing characters kits. Anyway, they don't intend to do good things with units because people will pull no matter what.
Why not replace Gorou that has no restrictions limit for Geo Character in team. Yeah The mono Geo is bad because Gorou exist in the game.
The fact that you included Furina and Wriothesley in your reskin list as a seeming complaint (from what I'm interpreting from this message) then immediately say you want what is essentially a nilou reskin for geo is just hilarious to me no lie @vuntris2437
Edit: not that I DONT want that. I do want a crystalize exploder. I just find the entire message funny
@@RomBeams8840 thats the thing. Furina is a Yelan with hp lose. Wrio is just no fly wanderer. About Nilou. To be precise about Nilou passive. It’s changing the way reactions work.Wrio and Wanderer do exactly the same. (Buff NA and deal dmg with burst). Yelan and Furina buffs dmg and deal dmg in time. Nilou changes bloom reaction. Geo needs the same gimmick. I agree this looks similar but at the same time its different. Imho it is the best way to upgrade geo.
Chiori and Alhaitham don’t have split scaling. They have dual scaling. Their abilities feed off of 2 stats. Split scaling is when different abilities feed off of different stats. Split scaling is bad but dual scaling is good
I’d argue that both are bad. Dual scaling just means that any sort of buff you get that’s not crit or damage percent is less effective.In Chiori’s case, all her dual scaling does is make the husk pieces that the geo mains who are pulling for her have less effective.
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac It's not because dual scaling allows for an easier use of 2 different stats those def pieces with godly crit ratios are now actually useable for her.
@@abdiabdi3225no that’s not what it means at all. Dual scaling means that all those def main stat pieces you get don’t actually go as far as they should on Chiori because you have a portion of your damage that comes from attack. However you still never actually want to roll attack as a substat over crit. The ideal Chiori piece still has zero attack rolls. The attack scaling literally only serves to make def buffs from things like Gorou and husk less valuable.
Both have their up and downsides.
Dual scaling means the character will typically have a higher floor, but a lower ceiling. It also makes substats slightly better. And in a case like this, where the less used stat is the better scaling one, it can improve farming efficiency of a domain. In most cases though, one stat pretty clearly wins out. Like Itto is effectively dual scaling, converting def into atk. But you're not going to build him with atk%.
Split scaling can be fine, if a kit is designed to take advantage of it. It can allow for a character that can be built in two different ways. Like if you had a character that was a good DPS if built for atk%, but was a good buffer if built for HP% (imagine a Zhongli that, if built for atk%, was a viable DPS). But then it has to be worth building a character either way. In Genshin, this is a bit of a problem, as we wind up with a character like Xinyan, who isn't a good DPS or a good shielder, or Albedo, whose E is much stronger than his burst/melee, and both characters are weak enough overall that, if they were able to fully take advantage of their kits, they'd still be some of Genshin's less desirable characters, but at least closer to being mid.
Nope, anything that encourages mono-geo is bad for geo at the moment. Geo desperately needs the opposite, things that encourage the inclusion of geo into teams, into the game at large. If things like Ganyu's elemental skill, Gobou, Sayu's burst, Yaoyao's elemental skill, and so on counted, then it'd be good. But they don't, and it isn't. Don't praise them for horrible design decisions.
Her burst had its cooldown reduced, which is why the damage was reduced. This is something that should be mentioned, to put the damage loss in perspective. And then it should be mentioned how this cooldown doesn't mesh well into most rotations, and therefore, it effectively means just the damage was reduced ;) My theory on this reduction is that it was done for Navia synergy, with Navia having a 15s cooldown on her burst, and her C1 further reducing that cooldown. In short, to add value to Chiori's C1, at the cost of synergy with Itto.
careful someone might say that geo is an inert element, but i somewhat find it to be bs when other geo units don't incetivize, also it's only one geo character a buffer with stupid restrictions.
Her weapon being on the same banner with Itto's weapon is such a tempting offer.
If your itto/noelle for some reason don't have the claymore and you'd also like to give albedo the new weapon then yeah it's pretty good. Otherwise you may want to think on it before pulling because the weapon banner itself is still a scam
@@leoniichan1229 I am using r5 serpent, so I think it's not really worth it. In the best case it will be probably around 15% team dmg increase if I get both of 5* weapons, and I already have enough dmg to clear abyss. I don't have albedo, but I will have chiori any way.
@@tarakan_io I see. In that case getting the claymore once wouldn't be a loss. Glad to be of help. Wish you luck on pulling the weapon banner
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Sode meaning sleeve as in Furisode.
Thank you for keep working hard zajef instead of following other toxic cc drama. Gbu
If I get Chiori, I'm playing her in a Noelle team, which does not have any geo constructs. Her c1 would be a nice edition to the team.
chiori doesn't need her allies geo constructs to stay alive in order to summon her second doll, and because zhong li doesn't really care that much if his construct is broken, wouldn't she work just as well as a duo geo core with zhongli as she would with itto? Theres no real reason she has to be paired with itto just because his construct doesn't get broken. Could revisit the hu tao + xing cho/yelan comp and add back in the chiori + zhongli core to it instead of the original albedo zhongli duo geo core
Afaik the problem is when you try to summon the constract but the enemy hitbox is too big so it gets destroyed immediately without triggering chiori's passive.
why gimp your hu tao team with a double geo core when yelan+XQ/furina exists?
do you like nerfing your team dps by 40 percent or more?
depends on what you have@@raulmaltrain6893 , if you're suggesting you run hu tao, xq, yelan, and zhongli, yea that obviously works, thats like, the most meta comp for hu tao that exists. I dont know how good furina would be in lieu of zhongli in that comp, would be a bit weird, and i dont see furina being an upgrade over xq or yelan in that comp either. i think obviously dropping yelan or xq in that comp for chiori (if its also running zhong li) would be a downgrade, but an option nonetheless
@@raulmaltrain6893 Tbf, Hu Tao teams with double hydro are so overkill for 99% of the game that gimping the team dps will only be noticeable in abyss 12, and even then it only matters if you are trying to speedrun or something. Double geo would feel much better in overworld and domains since energy will be less of a concern for each short skirmish. As Zajoof said himself, "sometimes coping is fun".
@@anokage7403 no way in overworld a double geo core feels more comfy than having furina and yelan...
-yelan in overworld is a mobility queen (even more so at c1)
-if you run double hydro-xianyun hu tao, now you also have air mobility for overworld comfyness.
-furina's summons follow you compared to chiori's statick ones, and lasts half a minute, so you can jump from zone to zone while not having to recast anything to kill mobs.
-you can even heal the entire team with furina, not that you'd have problems with it anyway.
TLDR; double hydro is better not only dps-wise, but also QoL overworld wise.
TLDR2:chiori is garbo.
Glorified 4 star energy
i genuinely thought she was gonna be a 4 star before the drip marketing😔😔
You are so gacha brained and it's not even funny dude
@@Antigen__ What does this mean?
I would love an on-field geo character that turns their own character model into a construct! :)
teams: mono geo, Navia and Cope.
me, looking at Furina-Noelle teams: is this a joke to you
That's definitely a category 3 team. Lots of cope teams clear content fine. They're just not optimal. And while Furina may be meta for Noelle, Noelle is not meta for Furina.
THE CURSE OF X.5 PATCH
Eula yae dehya , now chiori
Yae is good now wdym?
Eula and Yae are actual good characters tho
yes but 3 out of 5 is still shit. And 4 is boring out of 5@@MrcreeperDXD777
@@Gyushinoo Eula, an actual good character, you for real? What's she good for, being an ass-accessory for a hyperbloom team?
@@Gyushinoo Yae is. Eula? Far from it
4:30 Tbf i also don't know if hoyo would do anything like this, but as it stands right now they HAVE good incentive to buff geo characters that do summon constructs.
Navia being a strong unit + Noelle being a better Itto with Furina + Chiori being a better Albedo, and none of these characters technically have constructs. If they want to even the playing field or even make it so that some of them are better under certain situations, it could actually be really neat to have units that help geo units that do make constructs.
Can’t make something that was never great in the first place great again. Geo constructs were the very definition of shit from the start, and will stay that way until the end of time.
Haha just you wait, just one more geo character bro, just wait til one more geo comes out bro, just wait...
@@SoarAnthem Jeepers, I'm so hyped for more geo constructs! Like who even waits for Skirk and Dain? Not me, that's for sure! There's just no way it would take them two whole years this time, am I right? I sure hope they wouldn't just forget about constructs entirely when they release them, but surely they wouldn't do something like that!
@@SoarAnthembest wait another 2 years then om
They could rework Geo construct in general and slate it like a bug fix, not buff nor nerf. But this is Mihoyo, they won't fix anything that doesn't bring them direct financial benefits.
"Sometimes coping is fun" is a nice take. As someone who plans to on-field her at C0, I will cope as much as I can.
Hear me out: Navia, Bird (Xianyun), Furina, Chiori
It's pretty nice for navia, because she can E and then Geo-plunge like 3 times, which also gives cristalize shards, then E again, plunge, etc.
I dont think it better to replace bennet for chiori
Navia Xianyun Furina is already a very strong and known core, arguably the strongest. The 4th slot is essentially a "flex" with Zhongli, Bennett and Chiori being all sidegrades with different pros and cons.
So basically Chiori for Navia is roughly a sidegrade to alternatives we already have
@@Bethel0 its circle impact
FINALLY I GET A CLEAR CUT ANSWER ON HER ARTIFACTS THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!
she should be alright with albedo together decent double geo sub-dps core, other 2 slots can be anythin u want
Yeah, same as doble geo with zhongli but worse cause don't get the res reduction or the defensive utility xd
@@cleod7439it’s slightly better than zl albedo because 2 units actually deals damage in that duo
@@moxigene 20% shred regardless is such an insane buff that you can't ignore it.
@@abdiabdi3225 calling it insane is laughable and yes you can totally ignore it if you have geo resonance and more dmg
10:07 BIG missed opportunity by hoyo not calling this Tailor Swift
wait, wolf fang passive doesn’t work off field? So it’s been a shit choice for furina this entire time and I’ve wasted 3 months of battle pass? 😭
Furina's best 4 star options are festering desire or fav sword
Why would you not give er weapon on furina,you use her because of her buff not her damage
@@Bethel0 I like to play her in monohydro with kazuha on fav so energy isn’t usually a problem for me
@@Bethel0 Nah, you play her for both
@@Bethel0Speak for your own Furina. Mine has 115 ER and that's more than enough for her as solo hydro. Lvl 13 skill, 42k health, and C6 her personal damage is Neuvillette-level. 🙂
Dual scaling* not split scaling
Different things
i think its just that people dont know the differences between the split scaling characters/what makes them bad or good. Zajef just thinks its funny cuz dual scaling is just a type of split scaling. And technically Chiori isn't completely dual scaling since her autos dont scale of defense (w/o c6 ofc)
To me she will feel better than albedo and Zhongli just beacause her doll is not a construct so it can't be destroyed, you are sure to get the energy and the dmg. For instance when fighting copelia, the construct is always destroyed... So yes an upgrade overall
It's can't be destroyed but majority if her dmg is gated behind a construct.... so she is anchored to those u it's xd thus her requiring them is Even worse than them Xd
@@sylent0253 The constructs don't have to stay intact for her doll.
So no she's not worse than them, as long as you place the constructs the second doll will spawn.
Doesn't matter if they're destroyed later, the doll stays and does damage
But have Range limit maybe similar to totem of Yae.
i love her even if it means i will have to cope. thanks for the analysis
It's Chiover
It has always been Chiover. She has always been in her Midori era 😭
I believe x.5 is cursed being so Niche in initial release
@@yoiko89I think only Yae manage to get out of the curse. I forgot who the 1.5 character is, but dehya sunk and never came back like Yae did.
Guys its literally Geover 😭
Even Navia couldn't save it, just erase the element from the game atp.
@@whatever63644 Navia saved herself from being Geo, not saving Geo
@@domi8499 yeah, crystallize is definitely a reaction between copers and hopers, she feeds off of them. Geo and physical do not exist in the game, the yellow damager numbers come from all the tears and pee of players crying over why Navia is so good (she would've been better had she been any other element such as dendro).
I'm excited to pull her tbh. I really want to try Mono geo for the first time with Noelle ft Furina.
Just pull albedo , without a construct chiori does less compared to him as her passive requires a construct.
And if u already jave him get Bennet.
Ur not playing Mono geo if furna is in ur team
Did you not watch the video? She's still better than/ just as good as Albedo even without constructs.
@@sylent0253 she does more than albedo even with constructs, it's 100% Albedover
A split scaler is a unit who uses 2 stats for separate things. Prime example is albedo, his burst scales with atk and his skill scales with def. So you have to choose which stat is more worth it, in this case def. A dual scaler is someone who scales with 2 stats. Examples can be al haitham and nahida. They scale with both em and atk but more with em so its worth more to build em into but unlike split scalers an atk% sub wont go unused. Same with chiori, she is a dual scares but scales more with def but an atk sub wont be wasted on her. Idk why dual scalers would get a bad rep or if they have a bad rep to begin with and zajeff just said it for fun, but dual scaling aint what makes a unit bad, bad kit and bad multipliers do
Iam happy that u made video about her i cant wait to get her. i got guaranteed and 100 balls so maybe ill try weapon
things could have gone much better for Chiori if geo units weren't as they are now: Gorou being so underwhelming compared to Faruzan as Geo/Anemo support and Navia not having a Geo Contruct (would consider this one of Navia's downside, they could have easily gave her one), and hopefully, they will release a better Geo Main Dps than itto
I don't get why they wont just add an aura effect to constructs that are destroyed so for albedo's flower for example, it will still apply the effects minus the construct being there with basic interactions
Navia has made geo great again. Chiori did not. She's just Albedo 2.0. Lost potential. A universal buffer? No. Geo healer? No. A normal geo set carrier that grabs crystals? No. Albedo 2.0? Hell yeah!!!
She's not a bad character. Her skills are just secondary. The only interesting possibility is a quick swap of characters. The use of geo structures does not add new mechanics for the team or enemies.
Navia has made geo great again? Girl has nothing to do with geo apart from the crystals. The sole reason why she's good is because she sucessfully escaped from the mono-geo prison.
@@vladdyruyeah, mono-geo reason why geo is shit. Glad Navia escape that
@@vladdyru She uses 99% of the crystallization capabilities in its current form. You don't need to run for crystals, you don't need shield (stagger resistance) in her commands, you get higher damage numbers. The problem is crystallization, not Navia.
P. S. The concept of "geo Nilou" is stupid. In this case, most non-mono-geo teams will be tied to this character.
Honestly navia doesn't make geo good at all. She's just good on her own like how raiden didn't make electro good
If you ask me I'd say second albedo is exactly what mono geo needs (not what the element itself need)in order to keep up with the numbers inflation
But unfortunately her kit is done rather poorly + the inflation is much bigger than we thought which makes our expectations higher. Just albedo isn't enough for today's standard anymore. A geo yelan or geo furina (or you can think of it as albedo and gorou combined) would've been better
P.S The reason why I called it inflation is because no unit has been actually powercrept as they can still beat the abyss. But the new units in terms of numbers, some in terms of mechanic (some in terms of both, neuvillette *cough*) are quite obviously way better than old units. That's why I called it inflation
I dont get why people dont get it. She is bad.
1. All she has is damage
2. No flexible teams at C0
3. Artificial problems only to solve them with cons
4. Her entire kit literally says..."Does damage!" - Thats it.
5. 16 sec cooldown...so even if the puppets dont count as constructs ...good luck when the enemy jumps away after placing them...
6. She is geo - and not Navia.
And if you want a sub dps...just use Yelan, Yae, Fischl or anything else. And of course she is playable. Its Genshin...it has no combat and no difficulty.
Navia simps are disappointed that our god Arataki Itto has got a new toy instead of them 💪
Just kidding. They did her extremely dirty on beta cycle. But she is still a fine unit for those who are tired of Albedo's stupid flower which breaks every now and then. About the last sentence - you never play geo because it's optimal. Let's be fair - it never is. You play geo only because you want to.
Welp, hope Arlechino doesnt suck.
I just want a geo off field healer 😢
getting her for my geo team because I never got Albedo. And the weapon banner is W
I played in 1.0 and i have cinnabar. I have navia and a benched itto, and I dont have zhongli or albedo. So my account is one of those rare instances where chiori is decent. I was already going to pull for her design and JP va, but it's nice to know i can slot her in places and as an upgrade.
ehh for the stat scaling part i think its just ppl confusing possible multiple scenarios together.
there can be 2 scenarios (so far) where 2 different stats serve 2 different purposes or just 1, hence split for the first and dual for the second respectively.
worst offender of split-scaling prolly is Xinyan where her shield scales on her defense and her dmg primarily scales on her atk; there's also Albedo whose skill scales on defense but his burst scales on atk.
then there are "dual-scalers" like Nahida, Al Haitham, and now Chiori, also hyper Raiden to an extent, where 2 stats contribute to 1 aspect of their kit which is their dmg output.
I'll be coping with Noelle, Albedo, Chiori and Furina. She'll replace Yelan in that team so I can spin to win
I was thinking about that, but if Chiori's skill cooldown is really 16 seconds (2:19), it may be a mess to reset after Noelle's rotation with her skill cooldown of 24 seconds.
As someone who played Noelle, Albedo, Gorou, Furina in the last two abysses, I think it would be "clunky" but not unplayable since at least you can switch out of Noelle to re-cast the skill. Gorou is less clunky to play since Noelle snapshots the DEF to ATK conversion when you cast the burst, so leaving Gorou's circle or Gorou's ability expiring isn't a DPS loss (compared to missing a few shots from Chiori's skill).
@@studiesinflux1304 i played with Yelan this Abyss and her cooldown is 18 seconds, which didn't feel clunky to me, I just swap back to Furina, then Yelan, then Albedo and back to on field on Noelle every time Yelans burst is up again. So it likely won't feel much different with a 17 second cooldown, which seems to be the case from the leaks. Noelle is sort of just the healer, sure she does a decent amount of damage but it's primarily Furina and Yelan dishing out the damage. My Yelan is C2 so I'm not sure how well Chiori will compare damage wise though
As someone who doesn't use any geo upto now but will pull her just for her design I'm pretty annoyed with the geo construct restriction as there are almost no options and the only one that doesn't feel like it's a dead teammate is zhongli which I don't have
I have Navia on my alt, but my main has all those amazing Def mainstat Golden Troupe pieces that I've saved. Ah what could have been
My ONLY interest in her is how good her sig weapon is for albedo
ATTAAAAACK
Fire! :D
Stuck between Albetwo and Albedon't, though she is a bit more leaning towards Albetwo, since Albedo is the og Albedon't.
I was expecting her burst to do something aside from damage, give some to cope, like the 125 EM alfredo buff...
yae, farina, chiori, albedo. 8 pets/totems n a tracking flower. zoo team. don't need heals if u run around n ults
I would love it if you added substat priorities in these videos and how valuable they are - (are Crit stats the best, how far behind is DEF% and ATK% etc.)
Honestly i really wished they added a team wide heal for her burst. I don't understand why they didn't do that, i don't think i want to keep using Noelle as a healer, even Diona is better than her as a shielder and a healer. Mhy really be hating geo :/ i would get Albedo to be with her but it still sucks
one step closer to having a 2nd competitive mono geo team
An important question for you Zajef, how does Zhongli+Chiori performs compared to Zhongli+C6Yunjin in, for example, Yoimiya team?
Does her Geo application mess up with Yoimiya's vapes? Does her damage compensates Yunjin's buffs?
Geo is Hoyo’s greatest design failure
Atleast it's not physical "element"
@@cleod7439 It's basically the same. Just in yellow color. At least physical never pretended to be its own element and exists in NA of almost every character.