Without a doubt her best short program and quite possibly the best ladies short program ever. The choreographic detail of this progra is astounding. Choreographer, Lori Nichol, certainly was at her best during this period.
while I really loved Michelle and all of her tenacity and great performances, I think that this was probably the best short program ever skated. Caryn timed all of her arm, leg, footwork and jumps to the music. I think that she was the most artistic skater that I've ever seen since watching skating in 1974. th-cam.com/video/57AXUFZ_Vho/w-d-xo.html
That's what I love about watching Michele. even when she makes mistake the program is still exquisite. Unlike most skaters, her jumps are not the "program" they're part of the the program.
A thousand years from now, if we're still around and people think of Figure Skating , people will always remember this beautiful artist. Nobody does it better.
it's still one of my favorite short programs. Even the opening moves the spiral gets an appluse from the crowd. Bring back the spiral and layback in the ladies program.
To think Michelle was only 16 years old here!!! She was so mature and exquisite. Greatest skater ever. She should have won the entire thing had the judges not unfairly deducted her technical score for a mere step-out on the lutz combo (i.e. a 0.2 deduction instead of a 0.4).
5.7 is a joke for artistic mark. This is one of the greatest shorts of hers, in my opinion. I really did feel she was undermarked. One thing I never understood: The short has 8 elements, and if there is a failure of anyone, they take off points. Well, so many of the women had mediocre spirals, not great footwork, etc... I would think that a beautiful program like this could beat a program where all jumps were landed, based on the other elements alone.
I really hate that they removed the spiral sequence as a requirement in the ladies SP. That to me is the mark of a true all-around skater-not just jumps, spins, etc. but the overall qualities-like Kwan had.
This was an absolutely gorgeous program...can't believe I had never paid attention to it before (probably because this was the year she lost her titles). This could definitely have been a short she could have used at the Olympics and received amazing marks for. One of the best artistically that I have seen from her. Figure skating just isn't the same without the Kween.
She had such command over the interpretation of the music. Peggy said it well, that Michelle makes every move important. She puts emphasis in all the right places. It was a very good choice of music for her. Just about as good artistically as her Rachmaninov short, although I still prefer the latter.
she was WAYYYY undermarked in the Presentation. 5.7's? No lower than 5.8 here. NO ONE has this level of difficulty in their performance. This SP would've done great under the new system!
Actually, my memories of Michelle under the new scoring system aren't very happy ones. She didn't do well under that system at all much to my surprise. The judges seemed to hit her harder under open scoring. :/
Margaret Tudor She only competed under the new scoring system during the last few seasons of her competitive career. By that time, her programs were no where near this intricately choreographed. So it’s not surprising and probably somewhat warranted she didn’t fare as well under the new scoring system. This program, however, is stunning. A true masterpiece, particularly for a short program where the emphasis is usually to just get through each of the required elements cleanly.
@@ohioweatherguy She only competed under the new system once. After that, she was injured and never competed in a national or international competition again.
It's too bad that in the old 6.0, quality wasn't really rewarded since the marking was so subjective. I think if this program was marked under the COP, she would have defended her title here.
The opening note and Michelle to take that first note with a breath... breathtaking. The lutz combo sucked but the interpretation to this peice was godly.
@kwansansog: "the beginning of the givens for Kwan." Name ONE World title that Kwan won (of her five) that she should not have won? Judges (90% from Europe btw) know good skating when they see it, and they scored her accordingly. At Worlds in 1996, 2000, 2001 and 2003 (4 of her 5) she had to skate literally flawless programs to win her titles. Your comments show a clear bias, I'm sorry. If Kwan was really "gifted" titles, she surely would have won the Olympics in 1998, without a doubt.
I agree. There are definitely some skaters during some times who got "held up" and over marked for the quality of their performances. Not Michelle. Somehow just when she should have hit her peak the sport cannibalized itself and turned away from "figure" "skating" and became all about jumps. Jumps should be an element in a program...not the whole program. Quads don't impress me. I miss programs like MK's or Chen Lu's...the moved so fluidly and actually interpreted and enhanced their musical pieces, as true artists do. Modern programs (or, Oly gold programs since 1998) are not art. It's no wonder the sport is all but dead.
She's a legend!!!! I don't care about those jumps, jumps & more stupid jumps other skaters do. I like Michelle's artistry, pleasing to my eyes & I appreciate figure skating on how she performs. Other skaters just skates for the skate of so called skating. They have NO ARTISTRY just like someone I know. Someone I know that won GOLD but she skates like a road runner and doesn't make sense at all. Hhahahah!!!!
A road runner, or a roller derby queen. You're right, it's unwatchable. Growing up watching figure skating become bastardized into a mess of jumping...and setting up for jumps..and jumping again...where flailing arms pass for "artistry." No, I don't care to watch that garbage. Removing school figures from competition was ultimately a death knell for "figure" skating.
Her mistake here cost her the championship, because she was first in the long program. I think her presentation marks were a little--would have to see the other skaters to say for sure.
artisticly she was the best at this competion but...technicly...i can t understand certain judges gave her same mark than csako who made a triple triple combinaison and a triple lutz....a mistake on the lutz for michele and a triple toe...
This is the performance that cost her the 1998 olympics. She won the long program here and woud have won the title if not for this mistake. If that happens she goes into the Olympics as the two time defending world champion and that gives her a hudge advantage.
rfillangi I don’t think that would’ve changed anything. If anything, had Michelle places second in the short program, that would’ve lit a fire under her ass. She might’ve skated with more passion and fire, knowing that she had to make up some ground. Unlike in 98 and 02, when she succumbed to the pressure of being 1st after the short at the Olympics.
You didnt ask me but I would have given 1996 to Chen as would alot of other people. 2000 I would given to Butyrskaya only since she deserved 2nd in the LP and that is all she needed to win overall.
This comment is so old, but I believe it could have gone either way! They were both that good. Chen LU had such an incredible ethereal quality about her skating, but not great spins honestly. Michelle had such a precise balance of artistry with technical skill, although her jumps weren't huge. I prefer that though, she is so.stunning to watch. Never gets old.
It's really too bad about the combination. The choreography/theme of this program is pretty incredible and it would have been interesting to see it developed as a long program as well.
Well she did beat alot of clean shorts. The only 3 placed over her Lipinski, Gusmeroli, and Butyrskaya. Which of those did she deserve to beat. Gusmeroli should have won the short over Tara anyway here. I would have had Czako higher than Butyrskaya whose short was clean but quite mediocre too.
12 years later...I agree with you. watching it was painful then and rewatching it hasn't changed that feeling. TL did NOT interpret music at all (although of course the commentators lied left and right about how she "felt every note"), had shallow edges, zero artistry, and tiny little jumps with hardly any air. I will give her she was very fast, and skated with little abandon...but I don't feel that's world quality ladies championship material. She looked like she never should have left the junior circuit. Who cares about her triple-triples now? Sorry, this is harsh sounding, but I really feel this is about the time the sport changed irrecovably for the worse.
The ISU raised the age limit to 17, which means Tara and the Russian girls should go to the kid's Olympics. With a kid's body and weight, Tara and the Russian girls didn't deserve the Olympics.
@@TT-ee4qp NOPE AINT ROBBED BUT YOU'RE LIKE A DISNEY CARTOON THAT KEEPS REPEATIN ON TV. GROW UP AND SWITCH YOUR CHANEL TO ADULTS ALREADY AND GET OVER YOUR 24 YEAR ITCH, I MEAN PAIN WTF!!!!!
@@TT-ee4qp Technique, no. She fell out of important combination jumps. Tara did not. Michelle spent too much time perfecting her wonderful artisty at the sacrifice of her technique, which is why she lost to Sarah, Tara, and Maria in the important competitions. Also, she skated way too slow here. In her many interviews, she never mentions any other competitors and I get the feeling she tries to imagine that they don't exist. A good competitor (like Katarina Witt - there were other skaters better than her but she knew how to beat them in competition) would pay attention to what the other good skaters were doing, and then plan accordingly. Michelle only concerned herself with Michelle, and you can't expect to win competitions if you don't pay attention to the other competitors. Which is why she continued to lose in pressure situations where she had no choice but to pay attention to the others.
@@scottw6704 Actually, Michelle had triple triple combo since 1995 ~ 2004 , which means her technique was stable and better than the other skaters like Tara had triple triple combo just for 2~3 years. 😊😊😊
@@scottw6704 Unfortunately, Michelle got hurt ( her toes ) before the 98 Olympics, so she couldn't make triple triple combo there........Lucky Tara 1 .😎
This is my favorite short program from her... It is so unique and intricate... and really intense... Plus, kwan skates the hell out of it.
Without a doubt her best short program and quite possibly the best ladies short program ever. The choreographic detail of this progra is astounding. Choreographer, Lori Nichol, certainly was at her best during this period.
while I really loved Michelle and all of her tenacity and great performances, I think that this was probably the best short program ever skated. Caryn timed all of her arm, leg, footwork and jumps to the music. I think that she was the most artistic skater that I've ever seen since watching skating in 1974.
th-cam.com/video/57AXUFZ_Vho/w-d-xo.html
That's what I love about watching Michele. even when she makes mistake the program is still exquisite. Unlike most skaters, her jumps are not the "program" they're part of the the program.
A thousand years from now, if we're still around and people think of Figure Skating , people will always remember this beautiful artist. Nobody does it better.
FkN A. They would see this as one of the greatest human achievement.
Underrated SP, absolutely captivating. The opening spiral sequence was brilliant.
it's still one of my favorite short programs. Even the opening moves the spiral gets an appluse from the crowd. Bring back the spiral and layback in the ladies program.
Let's face it, even with a mistake, she's still the best skater! Everything she does it first class, and she just draws you in so much.
lovely back to back spirals and gorgeously musical, expresses the character so well
Still miles above everyone choreography-wise and artistically. The performance is mesmerizing.
Just phenomenal, even with the lutz problem. She's set the bar so high, for herself and for others. This is complete skating.
This is a beautiful short program. Lori Nichol is a genius, Michelle really is beautiful in this routine.
Despite the fall out on the lutz, this was a very beautiful program and I love the music.
wonderfully musical layback spin too
The way MK do spiral sequence was so good.
To think Michelle was only 16 years old here!!! She was so mature and exquisite. Greatest skater ever. She should have won the entire thing had the judges not unfairly deducted her technical score for a mere step-out on the lutz combo (i.e. a 0.2 deduction instead of a 0.4).
Fabulous music choice.
5.7 is a joke for artistic mark. This is one of the greatest shorts of hers, in my opinion. I really did feel she was undermarked. One thing I never understood: The short has 8 elements, and if there is a failure of anyone, they take off points. Well, so many of the women had mediocre spirals, not great footwork, etc... I would think that a beautiful program like this could beat a program where all jumps were landed, based on the other elements alone.
Особенная девочка, видно сразу ,уже изначально!!! Её артистизм, пластика,дано будущее!!!
I really hate that they removed the spiral sequence as a requirement in the ladies SP. That to me is the mark of a true all-around skater-not just jumps, spins, etc. but the overall qualities-like Kwan had.
faeryquene me too
They need to bring it back
Skating is unwatchable now
Beautiful!
This was an absolutely gorgeous program...can't believe I had never paid attention to it before (probably because this was the year she lost her titles). This could definitely have been a short she could have used at the Olympics and received amazing marks for. One of the best artistically that I have seen from her. Figure skating just isn't the same without the Kween.
She had such command over the interpretation of the music. Peggy said it well, that Michelle makes every move important. She puts emphasis in all the right places. It was a very good choice of music for her. Just about as good artistically as her Rachmaninov short, although I still prefer the latter.
I really like this. I like how th jumps are spaced as well. These days jumps seem to be the first 3 elements,
great free leg position in the camel spin, nice and high
she was WAYYYY undermarked in the Presentation. 5.7's? No lower than 5.8 here. NO ONE has this level of difficulty in their performance. This SP would've done great under the new system!
Actually, my memories of Michelle under the new scoring system aren't very happy ones. She didn't do well under that system at all much to my surprise. The judges seemed to hit her harder under open scoring. :/
Margaret Tudor She only competed under the new scoring system during the last few seasons of her competitive career. By that time, her programs were no where near this intricately choreographed. So it’s not surprising and probably somewhat warranted she didn’t fare as well under the new scoring system. This program, however, is stunning. A true masterpiece, particularly for a short program where the emphasis is usually to just get through each of the required elements cleanly.
@@ohioweatherguy She only competed under the new system once. After that, she was injured and never competed in a national or international competition again.
I’m just wondering what’s the music of the second half of this program which is certainly not le sommeil de dessemone
Like seriously who can make a neck roll look awesome
Most beautiful costume
I wish she had done this SP again at the 02 Olympics
It's too bad that in the old 6.0, quality wasn't really rewarded since the marking was so subjective. I think if this program was marked under the COP, she would have defended her title here.
The opening note and Michelle to take that first note with a breath... breathtaking. The lutz combo sucked but the interpretation to this peice was godly.
@kwansansog: "the beginning of the givens for Kwan." Name ONE World title that Kwan won (of her five) that she should not have won? Judges (90% from Europe btw) know good skating when they see it, and they scored her accordingly. At Worlds in 1996, 2000, 2001 and 2003 (4 of her 5) she had to skate literally flawless programs to win her titles. Your comments show a clear bias, I'm sorry. If Kwan was really "gifted" titles, she surely would have won the Olympics in 1998, without a doubt.
I agree. There are definitely some skaters during some times who got "held up" and over marked for the quality of their performances. Not Michelle. Somehow just when she should have hit her peak the sport cannibalized itself and turned away from "figure" "skating" and became all about jumps. Jumps should be an element in a program...not the whole program. Quads don't impress me. I miss programs like MK's or Chen Lu's...the moved so fluidly and actually interpreted and enhanced their musical pieces, as true artists do. Modern programs (or, Oly gold programs since 1998) are not art. It's no wonder the sport is all but dead.
Undermarked on the second mark.
Michelle's body changed at 1997, she grew up, she tried to find a new balance on the ice.
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She's a legend!!!! I don't care about those jumps, jumps & more stupid jumps other skaters do. I like Michelle's artistry, pleasing to my eyes & I appreciate figure skating on how she performs. Other skaters just skates for the skate of so called skating. They have NO ARTISTRY just like someone I know. Someone I know that won GOLD but she skates like a road runner and doesn't make sense at all. Hhahahah!!!!
A road runner, or a roller derby queen. You're right, it's unwatchable. Growing up watching figure skating become bastardized into a mess of jumping...and setting up for jumps..and jumping again...where flailing arms pass for "artistry." No, I don't care to watch that garbage. Removing school figures from competition was ultimately a death knell for "figure" skating.
Her mistake here cost her the championship, because she was first in the long program. I think her presentation marks were a little--would have to see the other skaters to say for sure.
Very uneven 4th place? She had five 4th places, two 3rd, and two 5th places.
Incredible Mann yeah. That's what u call uneven....if it wasn't, the majority of the placements would be 4th place.
artisticly she was the best at this competion but...technicly...i can t understand certain judges gave her same mark than csako who made a triple triple combinaison and a triple lutz....a mistake on the lutz for michele and a triple toe...
This is the performance that cost her the 1998 olympics. She won the long program here and woud have won the title if not for this mistake. If that happens she goes into the Olympics as the two time defending world champion and that gives her a hudge advantage.
That didn't help Medvedeva, the 2 time b-2-b world champ, win gold in pyeongchang
rfillangi I don’t think that would’ve changed anything. If anything, had Michelle places second in the short program, that would’ve lit a fire under her ass. She might’ve skated with more passion and fire, knowing that she had to make up some ground. Unlike in 98 and 02, when she succumbed to the pressure of being 1st after the short at the Olympics.
You didnt ask me but I would have given 1996 to Chen as would alot of other people. 2000 I would given to Butyrskaya only since she deserved 2nd in the LP and that is all she needed to win overall.
This comment is so old, but I believe it could have gone either way! They were both that good. Chen LU had such an incredible ethereal quality about her skating, but not great spins honestly. Michelle had such a precise balance of artistry with technical skill, although her jumps weren't huge. I prefer that though, she is so.stunning to watch. Never gets old.
It's really too bad about the combination. The choreography/theme of this program is pretty incredible and it would have been interesting to see it developed as a long program as well.
Well she did beat alot of clean shorts. The only 3 placed over her Lipinski, Gusmeroli, and Butyrskaya. Which of those did she deserve to beat. Gusmeroli should have won the short over Tara anyway here. I would have had Czako higher than Butyrskaya whose short was clean but quite mediocre too.
Amazing! Who cares about the mistake?
wow i wish i could do those change of edge spirals like her.
well, that was severe for a world champion.
Her father made her wear those boots due to some endorsement...money hungry stage dad..and it messed her up
It's too unfortunate on the 3lutz because this program is superior to Lipiniski's in every way.
12 years later...I agree with you. watching it was painful then and rewatching it hasn't changed that feeling. TL did NOT interpret music at all (although of course the commentators lied left and right about how she "felt every note"), had shallow edges, zero artistry, and tiny little jumps with hardly any air. I will give her she was very fast, and skated with little abandon...but I don't feel that's world quality ladies championship material. She looked like she never should have left the junior circuit. Who cares about her triple-triples now? Sorry, this is harsh sounding, but I really feel this is about the time the sport changed irrecovably for the worse.
gees even her timing was off. she finished ahead of the music
No.
@@TT-ee4qp YUP YUP
@@AdvantageYT Tara had no artistry. LOL.
@@AdvantageYT Tara was nothing more than a Kid.
@@AdvantageYT Tara's performance just like a happy puppy.
The ISU raised the age limit to 17, which means Tara and the Russian girls should go to the kid's Olympics. With a kid's body and weight, Tara and the Russian girls didn't deserve the Olympics.
she was gettin slow at the end. and of course slow skatin is no good for the olympics
Tara was overrated is the reason that Michelle didn't get the 1998 Olympics , Michelle was robbed. Tara's performance just like a Disney cartoon.
@@TT-ee4qp NOPE AINT ROBBED BUT YOU'RE LIKE A DISNEY CARTOON THAT KEEPS REPEATIN ON TV. GROW UP AND SWITCH YOUR CHANEL TO ADULTS ALREADY AND GET OVER YOUR 24 YEAR ITCH, I MEAN PAIN WTF!!!!!
@@AdvantageYT Tara should go to the kid's Olympics.
@@AdvantageYT Tara wasn't good enough to join the 2002 Olympics.....
@@AdvantageYT People couldn't ask more artistry of a kid like Tara, Tara was a Peter Pan.
She was hardly undermarked and shouldn't have even been on the world team at all.
loco madre Exactly! Nationals was a hot mess.
Michelle's artistry and technique were better than Tara, enjoy it.
@@TT-ee4qp Technique, no. She fell out of important combination jumps. Tara did not. Michelle spent too much time perfecting her wonderful artisty at the sacrifice of her technique, which is why she lost to Sarah, Tara, and Maria in the important competitions. Also, she skated way too slow here. In her many interviews, she never mentions any other competitors and I get the feeling she tries to imagine that they don't exist. A good competitor (like Katarina Witt - there were other skaters better than her but she knew how to beat them in competition) would pay attention to what the other good skaters were doing, and then plan accordingly. Michelle only concerned herself with Michelle, and you can't expect to win competitions if you don't pay attention to the other competitors. Which is why she continued to lose in pressure situations where she had no choice but to pay attention to the others.
@@scottw6704 Actually, Michelle had triple triple combo since 1995 ~ 2004 , which means her technique was stable and better than the other skaters like Tara had triple triple combo just for 2~3 years. 😊😊😊
@@scottw6704 Unfortunately, Michelle got hurt ( her toes ) before the 98 Olympics, so she couldn't make triple triple combo there........Lucky Tara 1 .😎