0:00 Max Kellerman says Drew Brees isn’t a top-tier QB of all time. 2:50 Dan Orlovsky is shocked by Max’s Brees take. 5:00 Stephen A. weighs in on Max’s take.
nah, not even Top 10 all time- i agree w/Max on this!!! but where is Steve Young in this conversation? stats don't convey EVERYthing... all-time winners WIN, and often!!! and the dome argument is valid as well (but rather diminishes Manning) yeah, he will be 1st ballot HoF, but he AIN'T Top 5, and not even Top 10 all time!
Multiple 5,000 yard seasons. Most of his career didn’t play with an AP or PB receiver. Accomplished as much stats as his competition in less time. He ain’t the GOAT, but to not be considered top tier is genuinely asinine.
Not even. They have a production meeting every morning to discuss what nonsense they're going to talk about. It's all deliberate. The show wouldn't work if everyone is rational and agrees
@@kenanyahbenisrael8417 WRONG. Not a saints fan or brees fan. The guy is clearly top ten all time. Numbers don't lie. There's nothing eloquent about this show or any in that genre. Just a bunch of guys yelling at each other about nonsense trying to go viral.
Ikr stop the cap Rodgers had had the worst defense for a top QB in the NFL his team let’s an average of 30 points and Aaron Rodgers never had the ball on the last drive In the OT
Aaron Rodgers only had a worst than 25th ranked defense once and Drew had like 6 worst than 25th in the league. So Dan is speaking facts when talking about who had consistently the better defense. When you have back to back years with the defense ranked 31st in the league thats truly inconsistent.
Dan saying Aaron had a better defense all this time is a flat out lie, the defense in Green Bay was awful outside of these past two years and the year he won the super bowl while the Saints have almost always had a top 10 or 5 defense, and you called max out of his mind, come on man
I mean Saints defense has finally gotten better these last 2 years went through years of having one of the worst defenses in the league. Hence why Drew had so many years of 5k yards.
bro this guy once said that Carson wentz is better than Aaron Rodgers, he's a hater. He's salty cause Rodgers used to kill the lions all those years he was in their bench. Yes, Brees had a terrible defense for years but so did Rodgers, and the saints defense has been one of the best in the league the last few years while green bays defense is still trash
@YouWouldn'tGetIt you smoking Neptune Methane boy Cause he spoke nothing but FACTS. Don't let those fluff stats blind you my guy. All those yards and one super bowl?
He’s not really like it doesn’t take a genius to see Brees was named the best qb in 2006 and was a second team all pro three times but most of y’all need to get ur sports opinions from someone so you turn to max Kellerman lol.
@@joshuaanthony3262 so cuz he never got an award voted by journalists we should discount the actual plays he made on the field lmfao. I mean going by that, hes also won an espy athlete of the year, so do we count those awards to ? Might as well say favre, marino, rodgers, etc. had empty stats and careers since they never won a ring or only won once.
Nonsense. He had 8 top 10 defenses. Same "bad run defense" carried him to a Super Bowl ik 2006/2007, led the playoffs in defensive DVOA that year. Manning is criminally overrated. He had more help on BOTH sides of the ball and in the front office than Brady, Brees, and Rodgers and in his first SB winning run had 3tds, 7ints and in his second SB winning run put up the worst passer rating and QBR by a SB winning QB. Manning played with Faulk, Edgerrin, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Tarik Glenn, Saturday, then D-Thomas (6'3, ran a 4.3.forty electronic time), Decker, Sanders, Welker, J. Thomas, 3 all pros on offensive line, No Fly Zone. 2 rings to show for it. NFL record 9 one and dones - and he had multiple #1 OVERALL defenses. Yet he played with more HOF talent on offense, AND probably defense (Mathis, Freeney, Sanders won DPOY, Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware) than any of the other 3. 8 top 10 defenses - might have been more, if you count all his years in Denver - including multiple #1 OVERALL defenses. 2 rings to show for it and countless chokejobs in the playoffs. Super overrated. NFL RECORD 9 one and dones is horrible. Period.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 The Broncos won the super bowl with him in 2015 and missed the playoffs the very next year even though they kept the majority of their starters, they were a good team but I don’t think they carried Manning as much as we think they did.
Aaron Rodgers' 2011 season is literally the best season by a quarterback of all time. The only one that has an argument is 2013 peyton manning or 2020 aaron Rodgers lol
"If Aaron Rodgers gets another superbowl ring or two he would be considered the greatest ever from a talent perspective" nah Stephen a Smith you can consider him your personal goat already from a talent perspective without one or two more rings that doesn't mean that everyone else will. I think Dan Marino is the most talented passer of all time that doesn't mean he was the greatest. Tom Brady is the goat because he is the ultimate winner. You don't win 7 rings by accident or luck. Tom Brady is the Goat and it's not even close.
Max is right lol. “Top tier of all time QBs” is this: 1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Peyton Everything after that is debatable. Max is also right about Brees never really being considered the best QB in the league and barely even top 3 most of his career
@@sakthithanigai5036 MVP isn't that important. Brees was always in the conversation for MVP every season. Crazy to not get 1. Usually always losing to Brady, Manning, or Rodgers. But Can Newton has an MVP... Lame argument, honestly.
Max: He's a Hall of Famer and one of the greatest players of all time Also Max: I don't think he's in the top tier of QBs because he's played with people slightly better
I just love how when it come to Drew nobody I mean nobody never bring up this man played with historical bad defense literally worse of the worse who tf can overcome that? Nobody
@@giantl9196 I wouldn't hold that last perfomance against him too much. Dude was ON his last legs, shattered almost all his ribs with a dead arm at 42 years old and lost to the goat no shame in that.
@@icydiamonds3747 is he better than brady, peyton manning, joe montana, john elway? If you consider drew brees is as good as any of those guys, then you can put him in your top tier.
@YouWouldn'tGetIt Brady, Montana, and Peyton are the 1-3 locks. You look at total resume, and I'd say that both Favre and Rodgers clearly have better resumes. Both Super Bowl champions, both Super Bowl MVPs, both 3x league MVPs. I'd even argue that John Elway has a more favorable resume. It's not even a knock on Brees, but he's really had maybe one season where he was arguably the best quarterback in the league. Just about every year of his career there was always at least one quarterback who was simply better than him.
@@frenchieeva5332 I will say that just because he isn't top 5 all time doesn't mean he's not top tier or not elite. He definitely is, without a doubt. People get caught up with "if you're not top 5 then you're not elite," or "Mt. Rushmore" of things. In this instance, the top tier category extends to like 7 or 8. Brees, Marino, Johnny U, they're all elite quarterbacks along with Brady, Montana, Peyton, Favre, Rodgers, and Elway. This is the absolute highest of quarterback play that has ever been played in the history of football.
@@deveon1stboy Yeah, how long is it going to take before everyone realizes a Super Bowl is a team accomplishment and that the defenses that Brees played for ranked in the following position in the league in yards allowed. 2001. (Back when there were only 31 teams). 11th, 2002. (The first year with 32 teams and the expansion team the Texans were still better than them). 30th, 2003. 27th, 2004. 18th, 2005. 13th 2006. 11th, 2007. 26th, 2008. 23rd, 2009. 25th, 2010. 4th, 2011. 24th, 2012. 32th, 2013. 4th, 2014. 31st, 2015. 31st, 2016. 27th, 2017. 17th, 2018. 14th, 2019. 11th, and 2020. 4th. No wonder the guy has only one Super Bowl. Here’s a list for Brady. 2000. 19th, 2001. 24th, 2002. 23rd, 2003. 7th 2004. 9th, 2005. 26th, 2006. 6th, 2007. 4th, 2008. 10th, 2009. 11th, 2010. 25th, 2011. 31st, 2012. 25th, 2013. 26th, 2014. 14th, 2015. 9th, 2016. 8th, 2017. 29th, 2018. 21st, 2019. 1st, 2020. 6th. That’s an average of 19.3 best defense for Brees and 15.9047619048 for Brady. And here’s a list of pro bowl skill position players that played with him when they got their Pro Bowl appearance including players who would have played but couldn’t because their team made it to the Super Bowl. Ladaian Tomlinson (2005), Antonio Gates (2005), Jimmy Graham (2012), Jimmy Graham (2014), Jimmy Graham (2015), Mark Ingram II (2015), Mark Ingram II (2018), Alvin Kamara (2018), Alvin Kamara (2019), Michael Thomas (2019), Michael Thomas (2020), and Alvin Kamara (2020). Now here’s a list for Tom Brady. Terry Glenn (2000), Tory Brown (2002), Corey Dillon (2005), Randy Moss (2008), Wes Welker (2009), Wes Welker (2010), Wes Welker (2011), Wes Welker (2012), Rob Gronkowski (2012), Rob Gronkowski (2013), Wes Welker (2013), Rob Gonkowski (2014), Rob Gronkowski (2018), (If fullbacks count as skill position players than James Develin (2018), Mike Evans (2020), and Chris Godwin (2020). That’s 12 for Brees and for Brady that’s 15 or 16. Yet Brees with one less season of play is 1st in passing yards, 1st in completion percentage, 1st in completions, and Brady has only thrown 10 more TD’s. It’s Obvious who is the NFL’s greatest quarterback of all time, Drew Brees!
In 2 more years, Brees will NOT be First in any Quarterback statistic. At least when Marino retired, he held ALL QB stats for over 10 years until they were passed.
Max don’t know nothing about football. Football is the one sport that is a team sport more than any other. No one position could win a Super Bowl alone. The only thing you could do is your job and the numbers are on Drew’s side
2018- he threw a pick in overtime against the rams 2019- fumbled in the 4th quarter against a 6 seed Vikings team 2020- threw 3 picks in his own home and got whooped by a team he beat twice in the regular season. Brees had the most stacked team in the league the past 4 years and he still couldn’t make it to the Super Bowl
it's not necessarily him, it's ESPN and it's the format of the show. To a degree, the show is fake. These 2, along with guests are instructed to take controversial positions in order to setup a debate because it sells ... occasionally I like to click these just to get a laugh at the orchestration and theater
@@khalilabdul-waheed6791 LOL. Just in the pass 4 years alone Saints have had a great defense from 2017-2020 and Brees led them to go 3-4 in the playoffs, has like 8 INTs and 0 mvps.
@@nothingspecial8114 you must be young because that is the most recent years outside of Brees’s prime. And even then Brees was playing well hence why Dan brought up the Minneapolis miracle and the worst no call ever against the Rams. But anyways 2015 (before the Bengals on year later) we had statistically the worst defense in modern NFL history.
Oh while Manning and Brady were still in The league from 11,12, 13 Drew for 5,000 yards also let’s not forget while they were in the league Brees was on the Number 1 to 5 offense with some of the worst D’s in the league. Brady and Manning alway had good D’s. Brees for many yrs kept the saints form being below average team to being average team never have a real losing. Many ppl forget Brees then would throw 40 to 50 passes a game
Manning is criminally overrated. He had more help on BOTH sides of the ball and in the front office than Brady, Brees, and Rodgers and in his first SB winning run had 3tds, 7ints and in his second SB winning run put up the worst passer rating and QBR by a SB winning QB. Manning played with Faulk, Edgerrin, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Tarik Glenn, Saturday, then D-Thomas (6'3, ran a 4.3.forty electronic time), Decker, Sanders, Welker, J. Thomas, 3 all pros on offensive line, No Fly Zone. 2 rings to show for it. NFL record 9 one and dones - and he had multiple #1 OVERALL defenses. Yet he played with more HOF talent on offense, AND probably defense (Mathis, Freeney, Sanders won DPOY, Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware) than any of the other 3.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 colt defense was horrible, and Peyton made those offensive skill players better. Also he made Denver a Super Bowl contender again outside of his last year in which he was injured and on his last leg.
totally agree, brees has neither multiple superbowls nor was he ever considered the best talent at his position. he played in the most pass heavy offense in the most pass heavy era
joshua anthony umm Rodgers don’t have multiple Super Bowls either & I love how when it come to Drew literally everybody forget This man played with historical bad defense who tf can overcome that? Nobody
Dan straight up lied. Peyton Manning didn't have a consistent defense his whole career. Manning didn't get a consistent defense until he went to Denver.
You're trippin. Colts always had a solid defense during peyton's time there. He literally had one of the best linebacker cores of all time lol. You're a fool
So that explains him being 1 and out in the playoffs 9 times *LOL* those 3 INT's in 1 Half to guys like Ed Reed in playoff games were all the "D" fault.. Putting up 8 points in a Super Bowl was all the "D" fault Hahahaha And my list can go on forever
He’s #4 all time period. 1.) Brady 2.) Montana 3.) Manning 4.) Brees This is kinda not even debatable really.... (not saying 10-15 years from now he can’t be knocked out but right now that’s the top 4)
@smitty jergensons that’s a very arguable opinion though built on a very flimsy foundation. Max has to keep using “the best” in terms of talent as his crutch because he knows he will get crushed in the actual analytics and statistics.
Max is right.... Would you pick Brees over any of the top guys in his era or all time? Over Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Montana, Elway, Marino, Favre? He was never a top 3 player or QB.
You cant state facts while there's so much Drew Brees Hype in the media give a season or two. Once the Emotionalism is in the rears view then you can use facts.
The fact he brought our city's spark back in football is enough. he revitalized this city and did a lot for the community in general. easy top 5 dont get it twisted
*SA and Max get into a heated argument- no one says anything *Dan and Max get into a heated argument- SA: first of all, you guys need to calm down, it ain’t that serious 😂
Came close a couple times but it wasn't meant. A play here, a play there and things are different but it was a heck of a ride. The one Superbowl run we did have was magical.
Not really, because we understand how God awful the defense was in Brees prime years. Shoot the one time we did win a Superbowl, our defense was only middle of the pack at best. But that just goes to show how historically bad we were defensively for many many years
A-rod has had the worst post season Defense of any top tier QB he lost me there as well did he forget the 49 rushing for over 250 yards on the packers like Rodgers is way better then Brees just stop it.
1. Tom Brady 1. Rodgers 3. Brees And yes I meant double ones. You can’t say ones better imo. Cuz I think Rodgers is better than Brady but Brady has 7 rings so can’t really do that 💀
Why, do you take brees over Brady, Peyton, Montana, Rodgers, Elway, Marino? After those you can argue there is next tier Aikman, Brees, Farve, Young(maybe i forgot someone) and you can argue Brees was next best thing. Also we have Mahomes who if he stays healthy for next 5 6 seasons will eclipse him.
He did have a good defense most of the time. Look at his defense now, Smith brothers, Kenny Clarke, Jaire Alexander and co. Before that he had Clay and AJ Hawk and Woodson and Williams, he had/has dogs so what football are we watching?
Y'all prospective is off. He the only qb who has pass for 80000 yards. That's the greatest accomplishment a quarterback can have. You can't throw for 80000 and not be one of the greatest. Think about what you saying. Remember brady chasing brees record when you chasing someone that means you have to be grest. Great players like brady respect greatness of all caliber. Rather it's 7 rings or 80000 yards. It's the best what other quartback can say they pass for over 80000 yards.
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0:00 Max Kellerman says Drew Brees isn’t a top-tier QB of all time.
2:50 Dan Orlovsky is shocked by Max’s Brees take.
5:00 Stephen A. weighs in on Max’s take.
nah, not even Top 10 all time- i agree w/Max on this!!! but where is Steve Young in this conversation? stats don't convey EVERYthing...
all-time winners WIN, and often!!! and the dome argument is valid as well (but rather diminishes Manning)
yeah, he will be 1st ballot HoF, but he AIN'T Top 5, and not even Top 10 all time!
@Kyle Lawns Rodgers has a ring and 3 MVPs. He is definitely top 10 lmao and don’t get me started on the statistics.
@Kyle Lawns name me 10 qbs over Rodgers lol
Max is trash
This take a little too staged for me. I’m taking Prime Brees over anybody besides maybe Brady
Max kellerman: I rather have Andre Iguodala at quarterback
Laser beam pointed at earth, I want THAT guy
@@Ninjachickenfingers 😂😂😂😂
LMAO
World on the line!
Man y'all trippin, I would rather have MJ taking my last shot with the deathbeam pointed at the Earth
Did anyone else die laughing when they saw Dan’s face?😂
I gotta stop smoking I thought him and Stephen A were froze while max talks 😂
I laughed when he told max he's out of his mind 🤣😂😂🤣
@@PaulPierceonDaLakers dude me toooo lmaoooooo
I did🤣
😂😂😂
“You can pretend to be shocked by that, Dan” 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Dan trying to be dramatic. No one cares
Max is the GOAT 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He wasn’t pretending lol
@@TheHappyHuntsman Max trippin HAM
Drew’s definitely top 10. 1st ballot HOF. What a career.
Saints are cheaters & Drew Brees is a joke 🤡
@@shadowsmessage colts fan huh?
@@shadowsmessage Falcon or Vikings fan ... its funny how the Pats cheated more than any team and they call Brady the Goat.
@Raymond Sims ? Lol how?
@Raymond Sims well that’s 9 and I’m assuming Rodgers is your 9th because SB’s and championships are team accomplishments
Max: “If Chris Paul wouldn’t have went down in Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals, Brees would have gotten over the hump!”
Max if not for a Pre snap penalty kellerman is a idiot
😂😂😂
I was honestly worried Dan had a stroke until he started talking LOL.
It was a hot second he didn’t move a muscle, got worried
😭😭😭😭
Can't blame him though, Max on crack right now
Lol I saw this while watching , and was like it can’t be that bad , but I stand corrected 💀😂
His ears flared up hahahaha
Dan is literally speechless
Dan's face when it popped up😆. I thought his screen froze.
😂😂😂😂
I died💀😂💀😂
Multiple 5,000 yard seasons. Most of his career didn’t play with an AP or PB receiver.
Accomplished as much stats as his competition in less time.
He ain’t the GOAT, but to not be considered top tier is genuinely asinine.
The completion % stat you can't overlook. The most accurate QB ever over a long period of time too
This debate is too Staged, Max is an expert on Trolling, he did this just to trigger good boy Orlovsky...
If they weren’t regulars on this program...you could say it’s staged
Not even. They have a production meeting every morning to discuss what nonsense they're going to talk about. It's all deliberate. The show wouldn't work if everyone is rational and agrees
@@rf7814 ..but Max is right. Brees is not top 10. And Max eloquently brought out why. Either you agree or you’re just a Brees stan and can’t take it
facts just look at dan’s face
@@kenanyahbenisrael8417 WRONG. Not a saints fan or brees fan. The guy is clearly top ten all time. Numbers don't lie. There's nothing eloquent about this show or any in that genre. Just a bunch of guys yelling at each other about nonsense trying to go viral.
Really caught me off guard when Dan said Rodgers has had a consistent defense lmao and I’m not even a packers fan
Since Rodgers became the starter in 2008 the Packers have 6th ranked scoring defense. Brees has the 23rd
@@felipeborre6698 the same defense that gives up like 35+ all the time in playoff games? Sure
@@Ninjachickenfingers yeah the same one that game him the ball 4 times in the 4th quarter in the championship game needing a TD and he couldn’t do it
@@felipeborre6698 okay yeah he choked lol that one game doesn’t make up for his defense letting him down all those other times
@@Ninjachickenfingers what other Times Bro? The time they intercepted Wilson 5 times in the championship game and Rodgers still couldn’t win?
ESPN is pretty disrespectful for this segment. Guy just retired, no need to diminish his accomplishments
He made hundreds of millions of dollars. He'll be okay, guy.
Not diminishing, rather putting his accomplishments in proper context.
It's a debate show not a funeral cupcake lol
@sirsparksalot Dude, dont act like they dont try to diminish Brady's legacy too.
“A consistent defence the way Rodgers did”... Huh?😭
That's what I said 😂
Stop the cap Dan...
Right 🤷🏽♂️
Ikr stop the cap Rodgers had had the worst defense for a top QB in the NFL his team let’s an average of 30 points and Aaron Rodgers never had the ball on the last drive In the OT
Aaron Rodgers only had a worst than 25th ranked defense once and Drew had like 6 worst than 25th in the league. So Dan is speaking facts when talking about who had consistently the better defense. When you have back to back years with the defense ranked 31st in the league thats truly inconsistent.
Dan saying Aaron had a better defense all this time is a flat out lie, the defense in Green Bay was awful outside of these past two years and the year he won the super bowl while the Saints have almost always had a top 10 or 5 defense, and you called max out of his mind, come on man
Never thought I’d hear Stephen A to tell someone to calm down😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I know it’s usually the other way around
@@samd1811 that’s what makes it so funny. He’s usually the one that has to be told to calm down😂😂😂😂
Lmao
I thought Orlovsky’s camera was frozen at the beginning.......but nahhh it was just his disbelief😂
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Cliff Kellerman strikes again!
aaron rodgers has had a consistent defense?
Stephen A and Dans faces are perfect here 😂
0:38
Max- My answer is no Drew Brees isn’t one of the best QBs of all time.
Dan- 😧😟
Dan saying peyton had a consistent defense is absolutely hilarious
Yup. We had 2 decent defensive seasons....we went to the super bowl both times. The rest of the time Peyton pulled them along.
Better than the Saints
Well he did have better defenses then Brews sooo....
1@@natea2006
Thought orslovski was frozen
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Bruh Max hates on all the modern generation greats like Brady and Brees
He ain't wrong though and he paid his respect initially. Brees ain't a top 5 QB. He's top 10 sure.
Brees ain’t top 5, he is top 10.
And lebron
@@kaantekuzman4536 Brady, Elway, Manning, Rodgers, Brees
@@billysummers1616 brady montana elway manning staubach
Couldn’t just let him leave without debating things not needing debated
Exactly.
It’s tv man lmao. They have too
I’m mad high and dans face at first had me rolling
Top 15 Quarterbacks:
1: Brady
2: Manning
3: Montana
4: Rodgers
5: Brees
6: Favre
7:Elway
8: Marino
9: Young
10: Warner
11: Mahomes
12: Unitas
13: Tarkenton
14: Staubach
15: Graham
Mahomes too low
Stephen A telling them to calm of down and that’s there’s no reason for them to be like that when he literally goes off every show 😂👍🏻
I know right, but hey, we love it ,hearing these guys go back and forth, it's sports talk baby!
“Aaron Rodgers has had a better defenses than drew Brees” is the most CAP I’ve heard all day
The last 3 playoffs loses the packers had the defense gave up 44, 38, and 31 points
I mean Saints defense has finally gotten better these last 2 years went through years of having one of the worst defenses in the league. Hence why Drew had so many years of 5k yards.
@@Mynameismyname01 this.
bro this guy once said that Carson wentz is better than Aaron Rodgers, he's a hater. He's salty cause Rodgers used to kill the lions all those years he was in their bench. Yes, Brees had a terrible defense for years but so did Rodgers, and the saints defense has been one of the best in the league the last few years while green bays defense is still trash
@@jtfux3574 looks like they are improving! 😂
Max: WITH THE FATE OF THE UNIVERSE ON THE LINE... I’m taking iguodala at QB
I WANT IGUDOLA!
I’m taking jay cutler
Max is completely correct
0:40 describes everyone’s reaction to that statement by Max 😂😂😂
max is speaking facts on this rare occasion
@YouWouldn'tGetIt max got the best crack in the game
@YouWouldn'tGetIt you smoking Neptune Methane boy Cause he spoke nothing but FACTS. Don't let those fluff stats blind you my guy. All those yards and one super bowl?
He’s not really like it doesn’t take a genius to see Brees was named the best qb in 2006 and was a second team all pro three times but most of y’all need to get ur sports opinions from someone so you turn to max Kellerman lol.
@@larryking2698 Zero MVP’s sorry man 20 years for 1 super bowl and never been considered an elite talent. empty stats
@@joshuaanthony3262 so cuz he never got an award voted by journalists we should discount the actual plays he made on the field lmfao. I mean going by that, hes also won an espy athlete of the year, so do we count those awards to ? Might as well say favre, marino, rodgers, etc. had empty stats and careers since they never won a ring or only won once.
Top ten qb of all time.
1.brady
2.Montana
3.Manning
4.elway
5.Rodgers
6.Brees
7.farve
8.Marino
9.young.
10.Unitas
This is really good but Rodgers isn’t too 5 just yet
I would put Brees at 4.
@@architkumar6549 I understand but I would take Rodgers over the bottom top 5
Max has got a point on this. Brees is great and definitely a hOF but top 5. It’s easy for us to say yes cause it’s so hard to compare generations.
Manning had a consistent defense?
Definitely not in Indy.
He had arguably the worst running defense for a decade.
@@kaantekuzman4536 Easily
@sirsparksalot 👏
Nonsense. He had 8 top 10 defenses. Same "bad run defense" carried him to a Super Bowl ik 2006/2007, led the playoffs in defensive DVOA that year. Manning is criminally overrated. He had more help on BOTH sides of the ball and in the front office than Brady, Brees, and Rodgers and in his first SB winning run had 3tds, 7ints and in his second SB winning run put up the worst passer rating and QBR by a SB winning QB.
Manning played with Faulk, Edgerrin, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Tarik Glenn, Saturday, then D-Thomas (6'3, ran a 4.3.forty electronic time), Decker, Sanders, Welker, J. Thomas, 3 all pros on offensive line, No Fly Zone. 2 rings to show for it. NFL record 9 one and dones - and he had multiple #1 OVERALL defenses.
Yet he played with more HOF talent on offense, AND probably defense (Mathis, Freeney, Sanders won DPOY, Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware) than any of the other 3.
8 top 10 defenses - might have been more, if you count all his years in Denver - including multiple #1 OVERALL defenses. 2 rings to show for it and countless chokejobs in the playoffs. Super overrated. NFL RECORD 9 one and dones is horrible. Period.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 The Broncos won the super bowl with him in 2015 and missed the playoffs the very next year even though they kept the majority of their starters, they were a good team but I don’t think they carried Manning as much as we think they did.
From the 2010 Regular Season to 2012 Playoffs, objectively, Brees was the most productive QB in the league
Wow a 2 year sample..
Aaron Rodgers' 2011 season is literally the best season by a quarterback of all time. The only one that has an argument is 2013 peyton manning or 2020 aaron Rodgers lol
@@Burrito777 2004 manning
@@Burrito777 04 mannings season and marinos season are still the best imo
@@Burrito777 2007 Brady and 2018 Mahomes?
"If Aaron Rodgers gets another superbowl ring or two he would be considered the greatest ever from a talent perspective" nah Stephen a Smith you can consider him your personal goat already from a talent perspective without one or two more rings that doesn't mean that everyone else will. I think Dan Marino is the most talented passer of all time that doesn't mean he was the greatest. Tom Brady is the goat because he is the ultimate winner. You don't win 7 rings by accident or luck. Tom Brady is the Goat and it's not even close.
Tom is the goat Rodgers is the most talented
@@WorldSoldier017 what does that even mean lmao
Joe Montana the goat
@@BratatoChip it’s not that hard to understand...
@@WorldSoldier017 how is he more talented but only has 1 ring when Brady has 7?
Dan face expression is everything 🤣🤣
Max is right lol. “Top tier of all time QBs” is this:
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Peyton
Everything after that is debatable. Max is also right about Brees never really being considered the best QB in the league and barely even top 3 most of his career
Facts
No lol,
Peyton,
Montana,
Brees,
Rodgers,
Brady
@@UrWifiIsSlow Brees never even won an MVP
@@sakthithanigai5036 MVP isn't that important. Brees was always in the conversation for MVP every season. Crazy to not get 1. Usually always losing to Brady, Manning, or Rodgers. But Can Newton has an MVP... Lame argument, honestly.
@@calebashford1686 someone had to say it
Max: He's a Hall of Famer and one of the greatest players of all time
Also Max: I don't think he's in the top tier of QBs because he's played with people slightly better
2 things can be true bro
He is not top tier bro 😂 There are 15 Qbs id take over brees
I just love how when it come to Drew nobody I mean nobody never bring up this man played with historical bad defense literally worse of the worse who tf can overcome that? Nobody
Even when he had good defenses he still struggled to get the job done
Giant L lmao when? Please tell me cause the last time he had a decent defense they won the Super Bowl goofy
@@jordanross8561 just last year he had a top 10 defense and he imploded against the bucs in the playoffs
@@giantl9196 I wouldn't hold that last perfomance against him too much. Dude was ON his last legs, shattered almost all his ribs with a dead arm at 42 years old and lost to the goat no shame in that.
@@giantl9196 He was in the end of his career suffering multiple devastating injuries like his ribs being cracked. Terrible take
Max is right, he isnt top 5 so how is he in the top tier??
Huh?
Isn't top 10 considered top tier, and he probably is top 5
@@icydiamonds3747 is he better than brady, peyton manning, joe montana, john elway?
If you consider drew brees is as good as any of those guys, then you can put him in your top tier.
@@lk5388 do u wanna play the stat game or do u wanna play the ring game?
@@lk5388 the Real top 5 are Brady, Montana, P. Manning, Unitas, Graham. Brees does not remove anybody in that group.
Max is correct...Brees is top 10 but not top 5. A lot of y’all are just being prisoners of the moment and giving sympathy points.
@YouWouldn'tGetIt Brady, Montana, and Peyton are the 1-3 locks.
You look at total resume, and I'd say that both Favre and Rodgers clearly have better resumes. Both Super Bowl champions, both Super Bowl MVPs, both 3x league MVPs.
I'd even argue that John Elway has a more favorable resume.
It's not even a knock on Brees, but he's really had maybe one season where he was arguably the best quarterback in the league. Just about every year of his career there was always at least one quarterback who was simply better than him.
@@dontesshortfilms6577 farve isn’t better than brees
@YouWouldn'tGetIt yall overrating brees so much lmao, he aint top 5 qb all time.
@@dontesshortfilms6577 cap i think manning is overrated he folded in the super bowl
@@frenchieeva5332 I will say that just because he isn't top 5 all time doesn't mean he's not top tier or not elite. He definitely is, without a doubt. People get caught up with "if you're not top 5 then you're not elite," or "Mt. Rushmore" of things. In this instance, the top tier category extends to like 7 or 8. Brees, Marino, Johnny U, they're all elite quarterbacks along with Brady, Montana, Peyton, Favre, Rodgers, and Elway. This is the absolute highest of quarterback play that has ever been played in the history of football.
Dan: “Why is Aaron ahead of him? because he has more talent….”
Max: “Because Aaron Rodgers is better, come on…”
Simple
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Loll Brees the GOAT
@@deveon1stboy Yeah, how long is it going to take before everyone realizes a Super Bowl is a team accomplishment and that the defenses that Brees played for ranked in the following position in the league in yards allowed. 2001. (Back when there were only 31 teams). 11th, 2002. (The first year with 32 teams and the expansion team the Texans were still better than them). 30th, 2003. 27th, 2004. 18th, 2005. 13th 2006. 11th, 2007. 26th, 2008. 23rd, 2009. 25th, 2010. 4th, 2011. 24th, 2012. 32th, 2013. 4th, 2014. 31st, 2015. 31st, 2016. 27th, 2017. 17th, 2018. 14th, 2019. 11th, and 2020. 4th. No wonder the guy has only one Super Bowl. Here’s a list for Brady. 2000. 19th, 2001. 24th, 2002. 23rd, 2003. 7th 2004. 9th, 2005. 26th, 2006. 6th, 2007. 4th, 2008. 10th, 2009. 11th, 2010. 25th, 2011. 31st, 2012. 25th, 2013. 26th, 2014. 14th, 2015. 9th, 2016. 8th, 2017. 29th, 2018. 21st, 2019. 1st, 2020. 6th. That’s an average of 19.3 best defense for Brees and 15.9047619048 for Brady. And here’s a list of pro bowl skill position players that played with him when they got their Pro Bowl appearance including players who would have played but couldn’t because their team made it to the Super Bowl. Ladaian Tomlinson (2005), Antonio Gates (2005), Jimmy Graham (2012), Jimmy Graham (2014), Jimmy Graham (2015), Mark Ingram II (2015), Mark Ingram II (2018), Alvin Kamara (2018), Alvin Kamara (2019), Michael Thomas (2019), Michael Thomas (2020), and Alvin Kamara (2020). Now here’s a list for Tom Brady. Terry Glenn (2000), Tory Brown (2002), Corey Dillon (2005), Randy Moss (2008), Wes Welker (2009), Wes Welker (2010), Wes Welker (2011), Wes Welker (2012), Rob Gronkowski (2012), Rob Gronkowski (2013), Wes Welker (2013), Rob Gonkowski (2014), Rob Gronkowski (2018), (If fullbacks count as skill position players than James Develin (2018), Mike Evans (2020), and Chris Godwin (2020). That’s 12 for Brees and for Brady that’s 15 or 16. Yet Brees with one less season of play is 1st in passing yards, 1st in completion percentage, 1st in completions, and Brady has only thrown 10 more TD’s. It’s Obvious who is the NFL’s greatest quarterback of all time, Drew Brees!
He isn't
But if he comes to NO I might change my mind
In 2 more years, Brees will NOT be First in any Quarterback statistic. At least when Marino retired, he held ALL QB stats for over 10 years until they were passed.
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Yeah cuz qbs are better now a days and Marino wasn’t in a competition with a qb like Brady or anyone near him.
Max don’t know nothing about football. Football is the one sport that is a team sport more than any other. No one position could win a Super Bowl alone. The only thing you could do is your job and the numbers are on Drew’s side
Max is the only one in that segment qualified to talk football
Except in the biggest games.
2018- he threw a pick in overtime against the rams
2019- fumbled in the 4th quarter against a 6 seed Vikings team
2020- threw 3 picks in his own home and got whooped by a team he beat twice in the regular season.
Brees had the most stacked team in the league the past 4 years and he still couldn’t make it to the Super Bowl
He is right brees is an all time great qb top 10, but not top 5 (top tier)
@@jrdz3582 fr he brings up so many good points but everyone always hates on him
People are hating on max but he actually kinda has a point granted I see drew Brees at worst is 6th all time
That's still top 10
i got him at 6 or 5
If you're top 10 all time at your position then you're top tier considering all the greats outside the top 10, this a dumb debate
@@jeremyhamilton2639 also why they do this after he just retired, shitting on him already
At worst he's top 10. Stop overrating Brees
Dan Orlovsky's facial expression is priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!
Max has a point.
I rarely agree with Max but I’m going to have to on this.
Max trolling he just wants his Twitter mentions to go crazy the man just retired show some respect
He prefaced his comments with exactly that tho. Molly asking the tough questions and Max isn’t gonna lie about his position 🤷🏼♂️
it's not necessarily him, it's ESPN and it's the format of the show. To a degree, the show is fake. These 2, along with guests are instructed to take controversial positions in order to setup a debate because it sells ... occasionally I like to click these just to get a laugh at the orchestration and theater
@@bryanstarke2931 good analysis
They showing respect, he ain’t top 5 bro simple as that
Dan just said Aaron Rodgers had a consistent defense lmao
Better than Saints did. Their defense was absolute trash for years
Yea Packers D was good in spots but def not consistent... Either way Im taking Drew over ARod
@@khalilabdul-waheed6791 LOL. Just in the pass 4 years alone Saints have had a great defense from 2017-2020 and Brees led them to go 3-4 in the playoffs, has like 8 INTs and 0 mvps.
@@nothingspecial8114 you must be young because that is the most recent years outside of Brees’s prime. And even then Brees was playing well hence why Dan brought up the Minneapolis miracle and the worst no call ever against the Rams.
But anyways 2015 (before the Bengals on year later) we had statistically the worst defense in modern NFL history.
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1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Montana
4. Unitas
5. Marino
6. Elway
7. Young
8. Rodgers
9. Brees
10. Favre
He was always in Peyton, Tom’s shadow when all 3 played. He 7-10 ranking but not 1-6
Yeah I don’t get why everyone is so shook by max’s take. Max said he was top 10.
Oh while Manning and Brady were still in The league from 11,12, 13 Drew for 5,000 yards also let’s not forget while they were in the league Brees was on the Number 1 to 5 offense with some of the worst D’s in the league. Brady and Manning alway had good D’s. Brees for many yrs kept the saints form being below average team to being average team never have a real losing. Many ppl forget Brees then would throw 40 to 50 passes a game
@@992ras that’s why his arm is so dead now compared to bradys he had to throw because with the defense we had we’d play catch-up all day
Manning is criminally overrated. He had more help on BOTH sides of the ball and in the front office than Brady, Brees, and Rodgers and in his first SB winning run had 3tds, 7ints and in his second SB winning run put up the worst passer rating and QBR by a SB winning QB.
Manning played with Faulk, Edgerrin, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Tarik Glenn, Saturday, then D-Thomas (6'3, ran a 4.3.forty electronic time), Decker, Sanders, Welker, J. Thomas, 3 all pros on offensive line, No Fly Zone. 2 rings to show for it. NFL record 9 one and dones - and he had multiple #1 OVERALL defenses.
Yet he played with more HOF talent on offense, AND probably defense (Mathis, Freeney, Sanders won DPOY, Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware) than any of the other 3.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 colt defense was horrible, and Peyton made those offensive skill players better. Also he made Denver a Super Bowl contender again outside of his last year in which he was injured and on his last leg.
Max is right, drew brees isn’t on the same level as Peyton, Montana, Rodgers, Brady. Those guys are top tier
You are not wrong
totally agree, brees has neither multiple superbowls nor was he ever considered the best talent at his position. he played in the most pass heavy offense in the most pass heavy era
@@joshuaanthony3262 so did those guys except montana
And besides brady and Montana I will take brees over Rodgers and manning any day
joshua anthony umm Rodgers don’t have multiple Super Bowls either & I love how when it come to Drew literally everybody forget This man played with historical bad defense who tf can overcome that? Nobody
Dan straight up lied. Peyton Manning didn't have a consistent defense his whole career. Manning didn't get a consistent defense until he went to Denver.
You're trippin. Colts always had a solid defense during peyton's time there. He literally had one of the best linebacker cores of all time lol. You're a fool
@@robertsilva68 Manning had a bottom 12 defense in 7 of his 13 seasons with the colts
So that explains him being 1 and out in the playoffs 9 times *LOL* those 3 INT's in 1 Half to guys like Ed Reed in playoff games were all the "D" fault.. Putting up 8 points in a Super Bowl was all the "D" fault Hahahaha
And my list can go on forever
Molly tried butting in so hard at the end LMFAOOOOO
What else is new..she acts like we care about her takes..she is the moderator, not a sports analyst.. Wish somebody would clue her in.
He’s #4 all time period.
1.) Brady
2.) Montana
3.) Manning
4.) Brees
This is kinda not even debatable really.... (not saying 10-15 years from now he can’t be knocked out but right now that’s the top 4)
yall ever heard that expression "it doesnt pay to be stupid"? well Max has single handedly changed my mind on that theory 😂😂😂
@smitty jergensons I was thinking the same thing
No, that's Skip Bayles
@smitty jergensons that’s a very arguable opinion though built on a very flimsy foundation. Max has to keep using “the best” in terms of talent as his crutch because he knows he will get crushed in the actual analytics and statistics.
Skip is really the one who built that, but Kellerman is definitely becoming that guy.
@smitty jergensons Drew is top 5 of all time if you don't believe that you're on some drugs
"Inner Sanctum" lmaoo
Edit: Max used it at least twice lol
this is the final straw for Max..
Lol how, he kinda right bro, he was the 4th best QB during his run, sorry not sorry.
What's "top tier"? Top 5 all time? Because if that's it, Max is right.
Max is right.... Would you pick Brees over any of the top guys in his era or all time? Over Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Montana, Elway, Marino, Favre? He was never a top 3 player or QB.
Lowkey drew underachieved only 9 playoff wins in 20 seasons and most of them wildcard wins and only one super bowl ? Definitely not top 5
You cant state facts while there's so much Drew Brees Hype in the media give a season or two.
Once the Emotionalism is in the rears view then you can use facts.
look at the context around those games
I think Max wife must’ve had fantasies about Tom Brady and Drew Brees. That’s the only reason I can see him hating on them that much.
Carson Wentz as well.
Stephen A agreed. Just in a nicer way.
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1. Brady
2. Montana
3. P.Manning
4. Marino
5. Rodgers
6. Brees
Brees better than Rodgers, sorry
@@bruceb7252 thank you
Better than Marino
Brees is better than Elway?? Farve?? No one will put Brees in the top 8 of QB’s
Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, consistent defense 💀💀💀💀
This guy 😒
Manning has 8 top 10 defenses. Manning is super overrated.
Right!,
The guy is a clown
@ 0:39 The most appropriate response to that statement, that I can possibly imagine.
3x MVP. 12 5k passing yard seasons for the entire NFL ever and Brees is responsible for 5 of them. Numbers don’t lie Brees is top tier for sure
Fran Tarkenton was 1st in all stats when he retired. Love Fran Tarkenton. Not one of the all time greats.
Dumb comparison. Brees won playoff games and kept his team a contender for over a decade. Let's not go full retarded.
The fact he brought our city's spark back in football is enough. he revitalized this city and did a lot for the community in general. easy top 5 dont get it twisted
THAT PART.
Max should be taken off air because what he said is blasphemous.
The order is
1.Brady
2.Montana
3.Manning
4.Rodgers
5.Elway
6.Marino
7.Brees
8.Young
9.Bradshaw
10. Favre
*SA and Max get into a heated argument- no one says anything
*Dan and Max get into a heated argument- SA: first of all, you guys need to calm down, it ain’t that serious 😂
Saints fans are going to look back 10 years from now and say ‘wait we had Drew Brees and only played in ONE super bowl?’
Came close a couple times but it wasn't meant. A play here, a play there and things are different but it was a heck of a ride. The one Superbowl run we did have was magical.
Not really, because we understand how God awful the defense was in Brees prime years. Shoot the one time we did win a Superbowl, our defense was only middle of the pack at best. But that just goes to show how historically bad we were defensively for many many years
@@Ash-lf6to one of the interceptions against the Dolphins. The replay machine wasnt even working right that day. I am talking about the Saints 2009
He said brees never had a consistent defense like Arod did, lost me there
Guy knows nothing about football, no wonder his team went 0-16
A-rod has had the worst post season Defense of any top tier QB he lost me there as well did he forget the 49 rushing for over 250 yards on the packers like Rodgers is way better then Brees just stop it.
@New York Bandwagon you kidding in the 15-1 season packers had the worst defense what
Definitely! Brees defense was dominant the year he won
@@tenthirty82 He won with the 25th best yardage defense, 20th best points defense. They were not dominant.
i agree with max brees is like in that 7-10 range
1. Tom Brady
1. Rodgers
3. Brees
And yes I meant double ones. You can’t say ones better imo. Cuz I think Rodgers is better than Brady but Brady has 7 rings so can’t really do that 💀
Breez is 7th max!!!!! Stop being nice.
if LeBron's a stat padder, Drew Brees is the biggest stat padder of all time.
The way Max straightened his tie after Stephen A agreed with him took me out, subtle savage 😂😂😂
When dans face shows is the funniest thing ever😂😂
DREW BREES IS A TOP 3 QB.
gotta agree with max on this one
He’s like 5-7 in my book.
Agree
5-9 in mine.
5-9
Hes #5 for me
Yeah this is accurate. I wouldn’t argue if someone had him 4 or 5 but it’s realistically 5-7.
PLEASE STOP LETTING MAX TALK FOOTBALL SMDFH
Well hes making a good point
What he say wrong ? What number would you put Brees? Can't be top 5 for sure, like max said, he's in the top 10.
Why, do you take brees over Brady, Peyton, Montana, Rodgers, Elway, Marino? After those you can argue there is next tier Aikman, Brees, Farve, Young(maybe i forgot someone) and you can argue Brees was next best thing. Also we have Mahomes who if he stays healthy for next 5 6 seasons will eclipse him.
"He never had a consistent defense like aaron Rodgers" umm have I been watching the wrong packers games?
He did have a good defense most of the time. Look at his defense now, Smith brothers, Kenny Clarke, Jaire Alexander and co. Before that he had Clay and AJ Hawk and Woodson and Williams, he had/has dogs so what football are we watching?
Drew Bree’s will be forgotten in 10 years
Nah
Max: he’s top 10
Max logic: he’s not top tier
Me: what’s top tier then? Being one of the 10 best to ever do it seems top tier
That’s your opinion. Unfortunately no one cares about your opinion
Dan has the same face I have when I hear him heap praise on Wentz
Max basically decided "top tier" meant "better than Brees" and said "Brees is not top tier" lmao. Kinda low key genius
It was pretty slick.
Drew Brees always had bad luck whenever he had an all time great season Brady, Manning and Rodgers would too. He's a Top tier QB imo.
9 dome games a year. Gotta agree with Max
Brees longevity and consistency is what helped him get first in all those categories. He’s definitely top 10 QB of all time
Brady is levels ahead of everyone else that’s forsure
He's going for 8..fk it y not 10 lol
Only because Brees beat him twice last season!!
@YouWouldn'tGetIt yet Brady beats him when it matters
"Yeah but who was the 4th best golfer in the Tiger woods era???" lmao
Think it was jason day
That’s actually a great point.
Drew was a great player but he didn’t have that dog in him like Brady. I feel like he cared more about stats than wins. I agree with Max 100%
Then you are dumb af
Y'all prospective is off. He the only qb who has pass for 80000 yards. That's the greatest accomplishment a quarterback can have. You can't throw for 80000 and not be one of the greatest. Think about what you saying. Remember brady chasing brees record when you chasing someone that means you have to be grest. Great players like brady respect greatness of all caliber. Rather it's 7 rings or 80000 yards. It's the best what other quartback can say they pass for over 80000 yards.
Agreeing with Max makes me sick, but he's 100% correct
Did Dan just say that Peyton and Rodgers had consistent defences??? Max is right here