The PSA need to take serious look at the refs and video ref decisions after this tournament, some really poor calls that did impact games and possibly match outcomes, some were almost blatant, the good call on the double bounce in this match was a complete joke, how could they get that so wrong when everyone else could see it was a double.
Absolute joke - if squash wants to be in the Olympics, the refereeing needs to be up to scratch with professional sport. Some of the calls here would be embarrassing at club level, where no video refs are available
Could have gone to a game 5 but just terrible calls. I was hoping Dessouky would win but refs are a joke. And holding the racket for the stroke on the last point is a cheap move.
Made me realize that squash isn't a sport I want to watch. There was no consistency and some very bad / wrong calls. If an mature like myself can get it right 80-90% of the time why can't the refs get it right? The PSA either needs to use technology or remove the review option.
My word... 5:20, watch it, someone needs a new job. Edit: and btw, I know a few players who would have called their own pick ups, but that's just not Marwan's style...
When you pick up a ball that tight it's not easy to know you didn't get the pickup. I don't entirely disagree with you but I think most pro players let the refs decide as it's in their best interest.
@@dboko At this level I'm pretty sure they do know. Some players like Willstrop, Mosaad, Farag and others will consistently call their own pick ups even when the ref messes up, even MoShorbagy and Gaultier will do it from time to time. Love him or hate him Marwan will do whatever it takes to win, no matter how dirty it is.
The refereeing has made a farce of this match. Elshorbagy knew it bounced twice, but he's rather win at any cost than win fair. Shame on him, shame on the refereeing
To be fair, not sure Marvin would have known for sure. I do know that Dessouky should NOT have stopped, then appealed the pickup at the end of the rally
@@russellbaker4256 True he should have kept playing, I am trying to teach my Son that he needs to keep playing while appealing. But what a shocking outcome from the video ref.
One is again left with the impression that Marwan is comfortable with sacrificing the integrity and spirit of our sport for the perceived spoils. As such, his legacy of accomplishments may invariably be accompanied by, "Yes, but..." Conversely, the record books don't include accounts of fishing for strokes, interference manufacturing, not calling down balls etc...thankfully everything today is filmed for posterity.
Great final but unfortunately overshadowed by some more shocking refereeing. I understand squash is a subjective sport but not to this degree. PSA need to look hard about fixing this/introducing more technology because its continuing to give squash a bad reputation at present
Not agreeing here, popularity of squash has nothing to do with the refereeing. Think most people rather play themselves than to watch it. I get little tired of people here always blaming the ref’s for lack of respect and popularity of the sports.
@@stevenvanveen3651 didn’t say it affected the popularity of the sport, people will play regardless. But in terms of the reputation it gives, how in the current state can we be even considered to be at the olympics with refereeing like this?
@@samfudge95 Committee won’t judge it by the refereeing, but watchablity for most part I’m afraid. Also they assume the rules and ambiance is not for the big mass to watch. Not my idea, but that’s the issue I guess. Majority decide in this unfortunately.
That is so poor. To give that pick up as good! It wasn't even hard to see that it was a double bounce and they give Marwan the point! Naive from Dessouky though to not play on. Could well have won that point anyway.
No point paying for a SquashTV subscription when you have pathetic referee calls like this. This match unfortunately isn't a one off. Refereeing decisions on the PSA are atrocious and i completely confer with other comments that we wonder why squash is not an olympic sport. PSA refereeing needs a total overhaul and the introduction of better technology needs to be implemented. A sad aspect that is ruining squash.
Football is - and you are telling me that VAR is any good????? Squash isn't an Olympic sport because not enough countries partake at the elite level. They don't want a sport where the winners (M & F) will defo come from one of 3 countries (and one isn't the host nation) eg Egypt, UK, France + Paul Coll!. Simple as that.
@@mpoiuytr Respectfully, a weak argument. China dominates in table tennis, yet it's an Olympic sport. Kenya/Ethiopia dominate in middle-distance running, yet... China dominates in diving, yet... Germany dominates equestrian, yet... USA dominates in basketball, yet...
@@threethrushes its still not got a wide enough elite spread. Whilst other countries dominate certain sports, Squash is too dominated by 3 or 4 countries. Its just not played in enough Olympic members to ever qualify
The video decision spoilt what could have been a magical 5 setter...don't watch crucial video ref points on your mobile PSA...!!! Dezzy stopped the point he was that sure...if you were half blind you'd see that was a double. Took the shine off a terrific squash match as did match ball. Quelle de mage.!
Ashraf Hussein, the video ref, needs to be relieved of his duties immediately. His incompetence ruined the entire final for me and he has no business being a PSA ref. And this is not something you can fix through re-training. Either you can see that ball clearly bounced twice or you can't. Calls like this are detrimental to the players, the fans, the event, and the sport in general. There must be dozens of people in Egypt who can easily replace him. Get him the hell out of there.
Honestly, after the calls he keeps suffering through, I can't even blame Dessouky for his anger issues on court. Seems like he's on the receiving end of terrible refereeing every few months.
But what's the line here? The ball was clearly a double bounce. Marwan and Fares both knew. Are we supposed to continue playing balls that hit the tin because the ref might call them good too?
@@watching99134 so whether he wins the point or not should rely on chance rather than the ref actually being competent? Sure he MIGHT have won if he had played on, but he DEFINITELY would have won the point if the ref had done his job properly
plus what if he had lost the point after playing on? The ref still would've called it good, what then? - the point here isn't whether he should've played on or not, it's whether the ref made the wrong call or not, which he did
Oh damn, I don't think Marwan did this on purpose but two decisions (pick up and last stroke) are absolutely horrific. I feel really bad for Dessouky as he would at least have earned a fair match.
@@TheHilarious91 You don't think he backed up on purpose? He was practically chasing Dessouky to the backwall (it got to the point where he couldn't have even straightened out the ball himself, a boast was his only option).
@@watching99134 I don't think it ever got to the point where boast was only option; the amount of wrist power the pros possess is unfathomable to most people. And even if it is a bit dirty he is within the rules to back up on purpose until the ball bounces twice. It's sad to see but if he played a drop into the tin and then lost the match we'd be calling him an idiot for not stopping when you have literally just won the tournament according to the rules of the game.
As he said in his interview fares should be proud of his performance, keeping his head in a situation like this shows so much personal growth, exciting times ahead 🙌🏾🙌🏾 Oh and yeah, something needs to change, top level world class sport like this cannot have officiating like we just saw it’s embarrassing
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I don't know if the youtube videos are just prioritizing controversial calls... but I feel like the PSA refs are working with a totally different set of rules than I am used to for let / stroke and especially no let calls. there have probably been 7 or 8 horrible, game deciding calls on youtube throughout this tournament
Please do a overhaul in PSA referring system, its pathetic at best! Very disheartening for players and dissappointing for viewers when these ridiculous decisions are passed.
The thing I find amazing about Dessouky is that with his build (former gymnast, heavy torso) he's able to play all the way through these brutal tournaments without noticeable fatigue. His cardio workouts must be ferocious.
Honestly i dont know if i like Marwan but i believe that out of every player on this tour he wanted to win the most and that is respectable in of itself.
The video referees need some serious evaluation. How could you not see the double bounce! I am sure the pro refs have training but it isn't enough. If you know a point can have an impact on the outcome of the game, you need multiple people looking at that video, or some solution that eliminates these atrocious errors.
I prefer the man Marwan is becoming, he has the talent, he has the court craft, I didn't like his attitude before, two phenomenal talents, looking forward to seeing more of them both.
And people wonder why squash isnt in the olympics? Ridiculous and unreliable decisions like that in the last game happens way too often - something needs to be done.
Good comment, he plays what is allowed, that’s why he is one of the smartest players on PSA. Also don’t forget his excellent basic game that is his foundation the convert his shots to winners.
@@michaellupton335 but he had a position to play the shot, he deliberately delayed to play the player. Very unsporting and unprofessional. At this level which is the highest they should man up and play the shot. If you watch shobaggy alot then you will see he is not a sporting player and is very disrespectful. Quite often looks for cheap calls and never owns uo to a double bounce. Especially this last one, was embarrassing. Felt really sorry for opponent, #Robbed
Very sad to see fares losing the match but hats off to the referee,man from where do you got such incredible skills of refering 👍 Good job keeping going 😂😂
PSA should really invest in some decent cameras for the video reviews. You can't rely on such slow cameras that you have to guess what happened between frames. Get some 200 fps cameras and problem solved.
Very poor decisions in the referee work (especially the video referee work). People are rightfully questioning the integrity of the PSA here. Those were actually very crucial mistakes.
Lee Drew, I hope you can pass along your thoughts on that last double called good. Having been a squash fan for years, I of course understand that making decisions can be tough. But to go to a video decision, to see the ball clearly bounce twice, and then be called good is a mockery. I can see others have made similar comments, but I felt the need to write anyway. I had no interest in watching the rest of the match after that. Disgusting.
for all the talk and efforts being made about making players 'play' the ball, and in doing so promoting (clever) blocking & the refusal to award basic LETs during play; the results have been absolutely horrendous what's the point of having a 'video review' option if the video ref can't distinguish between a 'good' and a 'not good' call? and mind you, this has NOT happened the first time around it has also come to the point that the commentators, players and referees can't agree on at least 75% of the decisions given, where each one of these entities has a unique perspective on 'a line to the ball' (a player can take whatever line they want to the ball, IF it is in fact retrievable & to judge it to be as such or not is basically the referee's job) this line of decision making is promoting players to stand on their shots and motioning to the referee about their opponent NOT going around them mostly, which again has nothing to do with the choice of the line they are taking and EVERYTHING to do with the quality of the striker's shot & the relative retrievability of the shot in question - everything else is 'make a wish foundation' scenario this is how you overcomplicate an already highly intellectual sport and as a result; Squash has not seen a boom in its audience for decades - when people who have been playing this sport on elite club, national and international level, can no longer agree on basic refereeing calls, then how do you expect a new viewer to come in and pick up the nuances of the game and then be involved enough in order to enjoy it as a fan - fans thrive on their elite knowledge of the sport they follow/play - this is how they predict their winners & form specific fanbases for individual players/teams in any sport - MINUS that knowledge, acquired through meticulous observation over the course of several games/matches, the interest fizzles & it doesn't take long before one loses complete interest this is ridiculously poor on part of the current administration of the PSA. If nothing else, make the players not playing the match for the night, sit in as video referees as their knowledge of the speed & skill of this level of squash will enable them to evade such absolute failures in the process of video-reviewed decision making I've been observing this pattern for a while now, inconsistency of refereeing hurts squash more than most other sports, as the closed cage like environment and the potential of contact at any given time in any particular rally, involves a referee A HECK OF A LOT more than it does in most other sports, and this bit is killing the appeal of international squash & making a mockery out of the Professional Squash Tour time to sit down & fix these issues - for good!
There's definitely an inherent problem with the idea that the non-striker has to give a direct line to the ball. If your opponent plays a loose shot that you are able to play from the centre of the court the natural shot should be to the opposite corner because that will make them run the furthest ... but because you're playing the ball from the middle of the court the direct line is always going to be through you. How do you promote giving direct access without promoting deliberately loose shots designed to restrict your opponents shot selection?
@@M0odez that's a fair point, but my point was more general & not specific to a certain condition or two I feel someone deliberately going for the player is fairly obvious, whereas in many of the instances that I see in these matches, the line is actually through the other player & the comment from the referee usually falls along the lines of 'you should've gone for the ball, you went for the player' - that seems like an oversimplification at best & a complete misread of the situation at its worse keeping in mind that these are professional players who make a living doing this - consistently giving bad decisions, especially in closely contested matches can flip the results & that's quite literally robbing people of their rightful purse
@@ZeeShaanJamal I'm saying in general, the rule needs to be looked at and clarified because in any scenario where the ball is extremely loose the best shot results in the striker having to give a line through themselves. If the shot is of sufficient quality such that the only retrievable line is through the player, the player cannot immediately become a ghost after they strike the ball so what time period do we give them to clear a line that constitues a "reasonable effort to clear", and if interference occurs before this has the opponent "made every effort to avoid interference" if the striker has the right to that space in that period? It's all so vaguely defined in the rules, and it allows for completely different interpretations that favour the striker or the non-striker. As an aside, my personal take on the "going for the player and not the ball" is that if you commit to a line through the other player that you wouldn't have been able to correct if you got taxi'ed, then you went for the player and not the ball i.e. you have committed to interference independently of knowing the actual line to the ball, and it doesn't matter that it happened to be the correct one in the end. But then again, if you guess correctly and the shot is within reach you are guaranteed a stroke, so I think it's a fair gamble a lot of pros deliberately take when under pressure, although sometimes with an arm around the opponent to prevent them from completing any effort to clear. That's a lot of waffle to say that I'm in agreement that the rules need to be simplified so the disagreement between commentators, referees and players doesn't happen as often.
@@M0odez fair enough again 😊 each situation in these scenarios needs to be argued on its individual merit though, but in general I'm in agreement with what you're elaborating on here
Definitely a double bounce, but for all the cranky haters.....have you ever watched other sports? Its not like bad referring decisions is unique to squash. Nearly every sport (Olympic or not) suffers from the same type of thing. As long as humans and sport combine, there will be bad decisions, it’s part of life and sport. Just search “bad referee calls” on TH-cam............🤫
Also I’m not sure if Marwarn can see the screen for the replays but if he can that’s really sad because he’d obviously be able to see that again the ball bounced more than once.
Given his technical talent for the game, I'm 100% sure that he knew that it was a double bounce at the moment he hit it. Every other PSA player would have conceded already at the moment of hitting, but not (yet) Marwan.
As much as I absolutely agree with those who say it was a double and not good, I still respect the video refs because it is not easy when a win/lose decision hangs solely on your shoulders and everyone is sitting at the edge of their chairs waiting on your one decision... This is the life of a video ref, on a daily basis. People make mistakes, and they are only human. Show some respect and move on.
Poor umpiring, Due to such type of decisions this beautiful game is unable to gain worldwide popularity. If PSA is serious in promoting the game then they need to improve the standard of refering... Whole the game is in the hands of umpires not players.
Good win and that but the ball bounced twice. I mean the refereeing lacks consistency a lot of the time but like the ball bounced more than once obviously aswell haha weird.
You can call the ball not good, inconclusive, or good. So to call it good you have to be certain because you have the option of calling it inconclusive. How can someone with eyes be certain that was good?
Shorbagy knew it was double bounce, but did nothing! He saw a double bounce on video review, did nothing. Mr. Shorbagy, how you can be so unfair towards other player? Aren't you ashamed with that?
Everyone is talking about the lack of good eyesight from referees... I refuse to believe someone working at a professional level - and someone who is not working alone... how many refs are there? - could be so incompetent, so therefore next thing that comes to mind was that they have been bought. Happens in every sport... why wouldn't it in this one? Not sure which is worse however... being corrupted or the blatant, complete incompetence. Both last calls were dismal... if it isn't corruption, then an amateur referee with video evidence at a club tournament would have done much better than this, a platinum or whatever PSA event.
Congrats to Marwan, did an excellent job this tournament! At this standard he will win more platinum’s probably. Well done Shorbagy Jr, keep it up! Respect also to commentators, especially Lisa. Very enjoyable to hear the fresh and funny comments! Lotta game knowledge there obviously.
Desoukky is the better player. More explosive, more inventive, better. But he's the one who's less mature. You cannot lose a match like this. Your loss in this match has nothing to do with squash and everything with your attitude. Grow up, Desoukky, please... )
The PSA need to take serious look at the refs and video ref decisions after this tournament, some really poor calls that did impact games and possibly match outcomes, some were almost blatant, the good call on the double bounce in this match was a complete joke, how could they get that so wrong when everyone else could see it was a double.
Absolute joke - if squash wants to be in the Olympics, the refereeing needs to be up to scratch with professional sport. Some of the calls here would be embarrassing at club level, where no video refs are available
Spot on... totally agree!
Could have gone to a game 5 but just terrible calls. I was hoping Dessouky would win but refs are a joke. And holding the racket for the stroke on the last point is a cheap move.
Def agree
Made me realize that squash isn't a sport I want to watch. There was no consistency and some very bad / wrong calls. If an mature like myself can get it right 80-90% of the time why can't the refs get it right? The PSA either needs to use technology or remove the review option.
Something seriously needs to be done with these video referees, there has been a catalogue of comedic errors throughout this tournament!
That decision may have cost Desoukky his tournament championship!! Shame on the referees for this poor oversight.
They need refs who have the ability of sight in PSA World Tour.
My word... 5:20, watch it, someone needs a new job.
Edit: and btw, I know a few players who would have called their own pick ups, but that's just not Marwan's style...
marwan hasn't got an honest bone in his body. he can't win an honest game. I really feel for dessouky, he was dealt a very unfair hand on this one.
When you pick up a ball that tight it's not easy to know you didn't get the pickup. I don't entirely disagree with you but I think most pro players let the refs decide as it's in their best interest.
@@dboko At this level I'm pretty sure they do know. Some players like Willstrop, Mosaad, Farag and others will consistently call their own pick ups even when the ref messes up, even MoShorbagy and Gaultier will do it from time to time. Love him or hate him Marwan will do whatever it takes to win, no matter how dirty it is.
That was so down it's actually embarassing they could get it wrong
I literally shouted out loud "WHAT"
When I saw this green GOOD I literally spat coffee on my screen. What an outrage.
Great squash from both players! But the pickup at 5:20 being called GOOD was a travesty, cmon refs...
Changes the whole momentum of the game...ElShorbagy would have known it was two bounces as well...shame
But still....play on and ask for a review. Why risk it?
The refereeing has made a farce of this match. Elshorbagy knew it bounced twice, but he's rather win at any cost than win fair. Shame on him, shame on the refereeing
Sad because that's not the first time Shorbagy has done that :(
To be fair, not sure Marvin would have known for sure. I do know that Dessouky should NOT have stopped, then appealed the pickup at the end of the rally
@@russellbaker4256 True he should have kept playing, I am trying to teach my Son that he needs to keep playing while appealing. But what a shocking outcome from the video ref.
THIS. He is s disgrace. ANY decent squash player would watch that reply and concede the point. Sums up Mr Ma.Shorbagy sadly....
@@steverogers7473 Very true, but it's not up to Marvin to concede, it's up to the refs to get their act together
One is again left with the impression that Marwan is comfortable with sacrificing the integrity and spirit of our sport for the perceived spoils. As such, his legacy of accomplishments may invariably be accompanied by, "Yes, but..." Conversely, the record books don't include accounts of fishing for strokes, interference manufacturing, not calling down balls etc...thankfully everything today is filmed for posterity.
I'm sure he'll change, slowly, when het gets settled as one of the top players. Same happened to his brother.
Marwan the biggest shame of this beautiful sport. It’s a fact like the Sun needs to rise up tomorrow.
Asal will calm down (and is far more entertaining to watch as is), this is who Marwan is.
Video ref needs to be fired, horrible calls throughout the tournament
Some people say you can't do as much as a blind person. Humbug, you can become an elite video referee in Squash!
As an older player with bad hips I could maybe get behind the new "two bounces" rule!
Great final but unfortunately overshadowed by some more shocking refereeing. I understand squash is a subjective sport but not to this degree. PSA need to look hard about fixing this/introducing more technology because its continuing to give squash a bad reputation at present
Not agreeing here, popularity of squash has nothing to do with the refereeing. Think most people rather play themselves than to watch it. I get little tired of people here always blaming the ref’s for lack of respect and popularity of the sports.
@@stevenvanveen3651 didn’t say it affected the popularity of the sport, people will play regardless. But in terms of the reputation it gives, how in the current state can we be even considered to be at the olympics with refereeing like this?
@@samfudge95 Committee won’t judge it by the refereeing, but watchablity for most part I’m afraid. Also they assume the rules and ambiance is not for the big mass to watch. Not my idea, but that’s the issue I guess. Majority decide in this unfortunately.
That is so poor. To give that pick up as good! It wasn't even hard to see that it was a double bounce and they give Marwan the point! Naive from Dessouky though to not play on. Could well have won that point anyway.
No point paying for a SquashTV subscription when you have pathetic referee calls like this. This match unfortunately isn't a one off. Refereeing decisions on the PSA are atrocious and i completely confer with other comments that we wonder why squash is not an olympic sport. PSA refereeing needs a total overhaul and the introduction of better technology needs to be implemented. A sad aspect that is ruining squash.
Suprised Dessouky didn't walk off court again! He's had some tough luck with Refs in his career
He had some mental coaching obviously. Much steadier player now and will win soon more big tournaments!
Refereeing is shocking, and you ask why squash isn't an Olympic sport.
Sort your house out first.
Football is - and you are telling me that VAR is any good????? Squash isn't an Olympic sport because not enough countries partake at the elite level. They don't want a sport where the winners (M & F) will defo come from one of 3 countries (and one isn't the host nation) eg Egypt, UK, France + Paul Coll!. Simple as that.
@@mpoiuytr Respectfully, a weak argument.
China dominates in table tennis, yet it's an Olympic sport.
Kenya/Ethiopia dominate in middle-distance running, yet...
China dominates in diving, yet...
Germany dominates equestrian, yet...
USA dominates in basketball, yet...
@@threethrushes its still not got a wide enough elite spread. Whilst other countries dominate certain sports, Squash is too dominated by 3 or 4 countries. Its just not played in enough Olympic members to ever qualify
What the hell?!
That's a definite double.
The video decision spoilt what could have been a magical 5 setter...don't watch crucial video ref points on your mobile PSA...!!! Dezzy stopped the point he was that sure...if you were half blind you'd see that was a double. Took the shine off a terrific squash match as did match ball. Quelle de mage.!
Ashraf Hussein, the video ref, needs to be relieved of his duties immediately. His incompetence ruined the entire final for me and he has no business being a PSA ref. And this is not something you can fix through re-training. Either you can see that ball clearly bounced twice or you can't. Calls like this are detrimental to the players, the fans, the event, and the sport in general. There must be dozens of people in Egypt who can easily replace him. Get him the hell out of there.
Love watching Dessouky play.
All the tecnology and still dont see a doble bounce
Honestly, after the calls he keeps suffering through, I can't even blame Dessouky for his anger issues on court. Seems like he's on the receiving end of terrible refereeing every few months.
Lesson learned: don't be the ref. Play on and ask for a review at the end - if necessary.
What's the difference when the video ref would've called the double bounce good anyways
But what's the line here? The ball was clearly a double bounce. Marwan and Fares both knew. Are we supposed to continue playing balls that hit the tin because the ref might call them good too?
@@steffansiu2913 Dessouky might have won the point if he had played on, meaning there wouldn't have been a video decision.
@@watching99134 so whether he wins the point or not should rely on chance rather than the ref actually being competent? Sure he MIGHT have won if he had played on, but he DEFINITELY would have won the point if the ref had done his job properly
plus what if he had lost the point after playing on? The ref still would've called it good, what then? - the point here isn't whether he should've played on or not, it's whether the ref made the wrong call or not, which he did
That was a clear double bounce. Ridiculous. That ref should never be given that job again. This is the first time I have disliked a squash video.
Disgraceful refereeing. Squash will always be a second rate sport until these refereeing shenanigans are fixed.
Oh damn, I don't think Marwan did this on purpose but two decisions (pick up and last stroke) are absolutely horrific. I feel really bad for Dessouky as he would at least have earned a fair match.
The stroke was a stroke
To get to the final fares got a lot of wrong decisions run in his favor
The stroke is a stroke all day long.
@@TheHilarious91 You don't think he backed up on purpose? He was practically chasing Dessouky to the backwall (it got to the point where he couldn't have even straightened out the ball himself, a boast was his only option).
@@watching99134 I don't think it ever got to the point where boast was only option; the amount of wrist power the pros possess is unfathomable to most people. And even if it is a bit dirty he is within the rules to back up on purpose until the ball bounces twice. It's sad to see but if he played a drop into the tin and then lost the match we'd be calling him an idiot for not stopping when you have literally just won the tournament according to the rules of the game.
Every single person with EYES can tell that this was a MASSIVE DOUBLE. Unbelievable. Is it only ONE person determining if it's a double or not?
As he said in his interview fares should be proud of his performance, keeping his head in a situation like this shows so much personal growth, exciting times ahead 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Oh and yeah, something needs to change, top level world class sport like this cannot have officiating like we just saw it’s embarrassing
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Not our job to make squash more popular. And that might better be accomplished with direct signals to PSA about shitty calls and their bottom line.
I want to see official statement from PSA with apologies for this decision. This is ridiculous!!!!!!
I don't know if the youtube videos are just prioritizing controversial calls... but I feel like the PSA refs are working with a totally different set of rules than I am used to for let / stroke and especially no let calls. there have probably been 7 or 8 horrible, game deciding calls on youtube throughout this tournament
OH MY GOD I wrote that before the missed double bounce call at 11-11 in the fourth. the refs totally robbed us of a shot at a 5th game!
Please do a overhaul in PSA referring system, its pathetic at best!
Very disheartening for players and dissappointing for viewers when these ridiculous decisions are passed.
PSA bad reffing is why squash is not in the Olympics.
The thing I find amazing about Dessouky is that with his build (former gymnast, heavy torso) he's able to play all the way through these brutal tournaments without noticeable fatigue. His cardio workouts must be ferocious.
These refs are shocking. Yet another game ruined
Omg that double bounce at 5.30 was a disgusting call! You can clearly see it bounces twice
How is it possible to have slow motion and reply and get double bounce calls wrong???
Awesomeness!!!!!!
So what are the boxes for if they keep going out of them?
LOL - the referee is sitting in the crowd. Security to isle 14. Security, please report to isle 14, row G, seat 6. Code orange.
Not my favourite player but some very nice words from Marwan about Dessouky at the end there
Who was the video ref in this game?
Mohamed Elshorbagy))))
Honestly i dont know if i like Marwan but i believe that out of every player on this tour he wanted to win the most and that is respectable in of itself.
Both players were great but the referees decisions were so poor. The double bounce was significant at the end. This must have been hard for Dessouky.
Dessouky was literally robbed in daytime!!
Definitely need a high FPS camera at least one at the front to slow things and see clear enough. Sad refereeing!!
The video referees need some serious evaluation. How could you not see the double bounce! I am sure the pro refs have training but it isn't enough. If you know a point can have an impact on the outcome of the game, you need multiple people looking at that video, or some solution that eliminates these atrocious errors.
Horrible refereeing. Even with a video review, one cannot see a clear double bounce...
I prefer the man Marwan is becoming, he has the talent, he has the court craft, I didn't like his attitude before, two phenomenal talents, looking forward to seeing more of them both.
And people wonder why squash isnt in the olympics? Ridiculous and unreliable decisions like that in the last game happens way too often - something needs to be done.
Marwan gets a bad rep but wow he has improved massively. Like him or loathe him he plays to the refs.
Good comment, he plays what is allowed, that’s why he is one of the smartest players on PSA. Also don’t forget his excellent basic game that is his foundation the convert his shots to winners.
He is so tough mentally. I don't like his personality but he is a great player.
ALWAYS PLAY EVERY SHOT!
Marwan finishes the game with his signature shot! Can't wait to see Squash TV do a round up of all Marwan's best hyper extended stroke calls.
Winning shot was not a stroke either, he delayed his shot deliberately. He could have played it earlier, may have even been no let
He can delay as long as he wants, its still a stroke.
@@michaellupton335 but he had a position to play the shot, he deliberately delayed to play the player. Very unsporting and unprofessional. At this level which is the highest they should man up and play the shot. If you watch shobaggy alot then you will see he is not a sporting player and is very disrespectful. Quite often looks for cheap calls and never owns uo to a double bounce. Especially this last one, was embarrassing. Felt really sorry for opponent, #Robbed
Refs need to review calls more, some calls very controversial and need to be thoroughly discussed, nevertheless, congrats and well played
That is one of several truly shocking calls made at this tournament. Truly awful. Even my 11 year old son said it was down.
Wtf was that double bounce judged as good? As Joey says clear as a daisy
Very sad to see fares losing the match but hats off to the referee,man from where do you got such incredible skills of refering 👍
Good job keeping going 😂😂
PSA should really invest in some decent cameras for the video reviews. You can't rely on such slow cameras that you have to guess what happened between frames. Get some 200 fps cameras and problem solved.
Very poor decisions in the referee work (especially the video referee work). People are rightfully questioning the integrity of the PSA here. Those were actually very crucial mistakes.
Lee Drew, I hope you can pass along your thoughts on that last double called good. Having been a squash fan for years, I of course understand that making decisions can be tough. But to go to a video decision, to see the ball clearly bounce twice, and then be called good is a mockery. I can see others have made similar comments, but I felt the need to write anyway. I had no interest in watching the rest of the match after that. Disgusting.
Cry baby, commentators do an excellent job. Your comment is pretty sad.
for all the talk and efforts being made about making players 'play' the ball, and in doing so promoting (clever) blocking & the refusal to award basic LETs during play; the results have been absolutely horrendous
what's the point of having a 'video review' option if the video ref can't distinguish between a 'good' and a 'not good' call? and mind you, this has NOT happened the first time around
it has also come to the point that the commentators, players and referees can't agree on at least 75% of the decisions given, where each one of these entities has a unique perspective on 'a line to the ball' (a player can take whatever line they want to the ball, IF it is in fact retrievable & to judge it to be as such or not is basically the referee's job) this line of decision making is promoting players to stand on their shots and motioning to the referee about their opponent NOT going around them mostly, which again has nothing to do with the choice of the line they are taking and EVERYTHING to do with the quality of the striker's shot & the relative retrievability of the shot in question - everything else is 'make a wish foundation' scenario
this is how you overcomplicate an already highly intellectual sport and as a result; Squash has not seen a boom in its audience for decades - when people who have been playing this sport on elite club, national and international level, can no longer agree on basic refereeing calls, then how do you expect a new viewer to come in and pick up the nuances of the game and then be involved enough in order to enjoy it as a fan - fans thrive on their elite knowledge of the sport they follow/play - this is how they predict their winners & form specific fanbases for individual players/teams in any sport - MINUS that knowledge, acquired through meticulous observation over the course of several games/matches, the interest fizzles & it doesn't take long before one loses complete interest
this is ridiculously poor on part of the current administration of the PSA. If nothing else, make the players not playing the match for the night, sit in as video referees as their knowledge of the speed & skill of this level of squash will enable them to evade such absolute failures in the process of video-reviewed decision making
I've been observing this pattern for a while now, inconsistency of refereeing hurts squash more than most other sports, as the closed cage like environment and the potential of contact at any given time in any particular rally, involves a referee A HECK OF A LOT more than it does in most other sports, and this bit is killing the appeal of international squash & making a mockery out of the Professional Squash Tour
time to sit down & fix these issues - for good!
There's definitely an inherent problem with the idea that the non-striker has to give a direct line to the ball. If your opponent plays a loose shot that you are able to play from the centre of the court the natural shot should be to the opposite corner because that will make them run the furthest ... but because you're playing the ball from the middle of the court the direct line is always going to be through you. How do you promote giving direct access without promoting deliberately loose shots designed to restrict your opponents shot selection?
@@M0odez that's a fair point, but my point was more general & not specific to a certain condition or two
I feel someone deliberately going for the player is fairly obvious, whereas in many of the instances that I see in these matches, the line is actually through the other player & the comment from the referee usually falls along the lines of 'you should've gone for the ball, you went for the player' - that seems like an oversimplification at best & a complete misread of the situation at its worse
keeping in mind that these are professional players who make a living doing this - consistently giving bad decisions, especially in closely contested matches can flip the results & that's quite literally robbing people of their rightful purse
@@ZeeShaanJamal I'm saying in general, the rule needs to be looked at and clarified because in any scenario where the ball is extremely loose the best shot results in the striker having to give a line through themselves. If the shot is of sufficient quality such that the only retrievable line is through the player, the player cannot immediately become a ghost after they strike the ball so what time period do we give them to clear a line that constitues a "reasonable effort to clear", and if interference occurs before this has the opponent "made every effort to avoid interference" if the striker has the right to that space in that period? It's all so vaguely defined in the rules, and it allows for completely different interpretations that favour the striker or the non-striker.
As an aside, my personal take on the "going for the player and not the ball" is that if you commit to a line through the other player that you wouldn't have been able to correct if you got taxi'ed, then you went for the player and not the ball i.e. you have committed to interference independently of knowing the actual line to the ball, and it doesn't matter that it happened to be the correct one in the end. But then again, if you guess correctly and the shot is within reach you are guaranteed a stroke, so I think it's a fair gamble a lot of pros deliberately take when under pressure, although sometimes with an arm around the opponent to prevent them from completing any effort to clear.
That's a lot of waffle to say that I'm in agreement that the rules need to be simplified so the disagreement between commentators, referees and players doesn't happen as often.
@@M0odez fair enough again 😊
each situation in these scenarios needs to be argued on its individual merit though, but in general I'm in agreement with what you're elaborating on here
Definitely a double bounce, but for all the cranky haters.....have you ever watched other sports?
Its not like bad referring decisions is unique to squash.
Nearly every sport (Olympic or not) suffers from the same type of thing. As long as humans and sport combine, there will be bad decisions, it’s part of life and sport.
Just search “bad referee calls” on TH-cam............🤫
Shame on the ref. The match was so nice and the two last ref decisions spoiled totally the end game
Why isn't the serve shown?
Does the video ref know the rules???
Also I’m not sure if Marwarn can see the screen for the replays but if he can that’s really sad because he’d obviously be able to see that again the ball bounced more than once.
Given his technical talent for the game, I'm 100% sure that he knew that it was a double bounce at the moment he hit it. Every other PSA player would have conceded already at the moment of hitting, but not (yet) Marwan.
Integrity doesn't pay the bills unfortunately
@@dboko The idea that you need to be dishonest to be able to make a living is of course very sad.
@@remcovandijk279 I agree
As much as I absolutely agree with those who say it was a double and not good, I still respect the video refs because it is not easy when a win/lose decision hangs solely on your shoulders and everyone is sitting at the edge of their chairs waiting on your one decision... This is the life of a video ref, on a daily basis. People make mistakes, and they are only human. Show some respect and move on.
This is ridiculous. Hated this final.
Poor umpiring, Due to such type of decisions this beautiful game is unable to gain worldwide popularity. If PSA is serious in promoting the game then they need to improve the standard of refering... Whole the game is in the hands of umpires not players.
once again marwan doesn't deserve the win. is it just me or can marwan NEVER win an honest game?
This is a complete disgrace. Where is the accountability of the video ref? Fine, fired, apology? Disgrace!!!
Good win and that but the ball bounced twice. I mean the refereeing lacks consistency a lot of the time but like the ball bounced more than once obviously aswell haha weird.
You can call the ball not good, inconclusive, or good. So to call it good you have to be certain because you have the option of calling it inconclusive. How can someone with eyes be certain that was good?
Shorbagy knew it was double bounce, but did nothing!
He saw a double bounce on video review, did nothing.
Mr. Shorbagy, how you can be so unfair towards other player?
Aren't you ashamed with that?
Absolutely NO 😁
Didn't Marwan just get back from a suspension? How long for throwing his racquet into the crowd, I wonder?
Everyone is talking about the lack of good eyesight from referees...
I refuse to believe someone working at a professional level - and someone who is not working alone... how many refs are there? - could be so incompetent, so therefore next thing that comes to mind was that they have been bought. Happens in every sport... why wouldn't it in this one?
Not sure which is worse however... being corrupted or the blatant, complete incompetence. Both last calls were dismal... if it isn't corruption, then an amateur referee with video evidence at a club tournament would have done much better than this, a platinum or whatever PSA event.
What in the living fk was that video referee decision on the double bounce??
Dessouky, who I don't like, was robbed by the referee. The final of two cheats and a very bad referee...how disappointing.
Video ref is a clown. Needs to be fired from the sport. Horrible decisions. This match should be made an example of how improvements need to be made
Evitate gli orribili sottotitoli in Italiano perché d'italiano hanno ben poco. Grazie
Dessouky got robbed due to a couple of pretty bad decisions near the end.
It's a shame there is not a better slow-mo camera at this level...
insaaane how that went like
I don't believe video ref. That's definitely down..... There's so many misjudgment in this tournament.
How can Marwan take the win like that. Biggest cheat on the tour it’s horrendous.
Unfair, double 5:23
Refree should be more perfect in their decision.
Nice match best of luck winner
Congrats to Marwan, did an excellent job this tournament! At this standard he will win more platinum’s probably. Well done Shorbagy Jr, keep it up!
Respect also to commentators, especially Lisa. Very enjoyable to hear the fresh and funny comments! Lotta game knowledge there obviously.
I feel very bad for Dessouky.
Unbelievable calls from the referee. Absolutely robbed Dessouky...
Seems like AI should be good enough for certain calls, such as double bounces.
Don't blame refs . They use bad cameras quality Lol .my 3 year old boy said it bounced twice . I hate this, dessousky didn't deserve what happened .
At least the ref got good commission.... 😂
Quite clearly a double bounce, he does that all the time poor poor poor
Desoukky is the better player. More explosive, more inventive, better. But he's the one who's less mature. You cannot lose a match like this. Your loss in this match has nothing to do with squash and everything with your attitude. Grow up, Desoukky, please... )
Are you serious Video Referees??? You guys been drinking!?? A No-Let given .....??? I''d like to video the Video-Referee ...
And the Pick-up was good??? Pfffffffffffffffffffffff ..................
Some horrific ref calls!!