"I used to be an atheist, but then my wife turned into christinanity and i had to make a choice between staying an atheist, or getting laid on a regular basis." is all i heard from the first speaker >.
So finely tuned to exist in one minuscule part of the universe which is like saying that you must give me my pension because I went to work for 1 femtosecond.
Nah, they brought knives to a gun fight. Wish someone would edit out all this skydaddy crap. But then again this piece will lose its masterful illustration of how man invented god.
37:46 _"Imagine how she must have prayed everyday, how she must have beseeched heaven. Imagine for twenty four years and no, no answer at all, nothing! _*_Nothing!_* Goodness me what a moment. It's very satisfying to see a very unfiltered version of the anger he must feel towards religion.
@@LMFAORomania women are treated as property especially daughters. Look them up...all old testament stuff. Like...selling them into slavery, killing them whenever you want...ect. It's all there.
@@at6686 Could it be anger at those who presents the God delusion as something worthwhile to entertain? On what sadistic grounds you have to stand to pretend that what that women went through can be compensated in any way. It's not like she was asked for that bargain.
This is why Christopher is so missed. To have the balls to go in the ring with 4 theist plus 1 extra in guise of a moderator. To have the mental courage to do so. It’s says something about a person. And mind you , it looks easy for the atheistic side cause Christopher makes it look easy. You will be missed sir.
Hitchens has the patience of Job, lol. Thank you sir for helping me on my journey of letting go of catholicism and instead embracing reality more authentically, and in fact more lovingly.
What’s really scary and alarming is how one can’t see how Hitchens bitch slapped each opponent with pure reason and logic ... to understand how he did it you simply have to say to yourself “ can a spider man comic book actually prove the existence of spider man?” ... if you can’t understand this analogy then you’ve got a bigger problem than you think .. all religion and god(s) like comic books and super hero’s - are man made.
I went to a Conservative Christian Camp somewhere in southern Kansas back in June of 1993 when I was 12 years old. We had a counselor who was speaking to us children and teenagers who were 11-14 years old. This man in his 20s looked at every last one of us and said now you know we all to deserve to burn in hell for eternity and if it wasnt for Jesus we all would be. My heart I thought was going to jump right out of my throat and I was so enraged. My blood was boiling, my body shook violently, and I wanted to walk right up to that guy and kick him right in the balls. I dont see how anyone can live with themself or look someone in the face and say something so hideouly wickedly immoral to children, teenagers, or anyone for that matter. Oh, they would say were just teaching them that because it is only the truth. There is not even one shred of credible evidence to back up that claim. Thank You Christopher, you will be missed.
Maybe after your counselor said all those stupid remarks about how you are doomed to hell---he later said privately to each kid you can be redeemed if you make me happy as he put his hands in private places.
Mordecai Ruckman are you joking or are you just stupid? He didn’t want to kick the guy in the balls for not having evidence. He wanted to kick the guy in the balls for telling 11 - 14 year olds that that they would and do deserve to suffer for eternity except for the salvation of Jesus, for which there is no evidence.
@@dentonfender8872 Nowadays with less people in church there’s child predators elsewhere. child indoctrination is like a mental molestation of young minds though.
That statement is not true, not constructive and is in fact de-constructive. I'm not gonna argue about the speakers or the subject we probably agree on most things, but I don't agree on your attitude towards the 'other side in fact i vehemently disagree with any gratous demeaning comment against theists. Why? You are not doing any good to the furthering of atheism and more generally rational critical thinking. Imagine being a theist reading that. And imagine you actually also made real pertinant points that had not been answered. I can guarantee 99.99% of people will instantly dismiss all of your comment because it was felt as an unjustified (or plain) attack. It's dumb it's unrelated but people take critism of their beliefs as critisism of them and more so the stronger held. You are basically attacking the most fundamental central pillar of a belief and that is equivalent to you giving them a get out of jail card. You give them an espace route, oh that bastard is just a godless immoral atheist look at how he is full of hate on our poor religion, people hate christians so much we are constantly attacked- in the meantime not even having to dismiss your actual points, why give any time to the raving comments of a demonised adversary? I understand where the sentiment comes from believe me, and i ve been far more brutal in many conversations with thiests. Not proud nor ashamed i'd be gzntler on some but not everyone deserveq your good will, and sometimes you just get angry no big deal, the difference is between attacking a person which is perfectly fine if merited, and attacking an ideology solely by mocking, which is actually helping said ideology by protecting it from critisism.
Again i understand and i m not saying you should never do it just to be clear. Personally i find that it is sometimes the right thing to do in my moral code (utilitarian in moral philosophy terms) is attacking islam without any reason, not muslims but just bashing the religion a bit with true harsh arguments. Because i feel theu are wining the war against free speach and trying to ban critism, i will not let that happen
@@alexisjuillard4816 wow what a loser you are. You just typed an essay to yourself because trust me, no one gives a flying fluck what your opinion is. You must be really lonely to want to type for 10 minutes to yourself
@@kellygipson8354 you edited your comment that was 1 sentence long, barely. I’d advise you not to give your unsolicited opinion. Especially if it consists of a single sentence that you can’t get right the first time
The desire for structure and purpose is so overwhelming for these theists that it is disturbing. What could be more narcissistic and arrogant than thinking one is a member of a chosen class of people, and that one knows the will of God? They are so afraid of freedom and liberty. So afraid to make a choice based on reason and logic. So afraid to live in a World without a totalitarian Father.
That makes absolutely no sense what you just said. “Based on reason and logic”? Where do you get off of telling someone what to do or to even call something logic when we’re just matter acting on time and space. That means there is no meaning or purpose or even thinking for that matter that should matter at all. We’re just stardust colliding with each other. Even atheist make me laugh because there logic is so flawed. A true atheist if one didn’t really believe in God wouldn’t be here commenting on TH-cam videos because there is not sense in actually commenting if where just time and space acting on matter. Even your thinking pattern of composing a sentence is illogical how can we show you’re right, how can we prove that logic even exist if we just evolved into what we are? Whose to say that is even true? Atheist sound like the far left who say men can be women and women can be men. It’s all ludicrous when you speak because there is not such thing as objective truth in an atheist world view. So why bother with literally anything. Why care about evil and good if there is no objective truth. And if we developed this objective truth how do we even know it’s right. I swear atheist stand on such High ground thinking they are superior in intellect when you’re own intellect you brag about isn’t even founded on nothing, its wrong or right but how would we know?
@@esdrassalgado8850 dude, the American Santa Claus isn't real. He's not a fat old white guy with a white beard and bald head. He never had a wife. There's no Easter bunny. There are no fairies. There is no God, gods, goddesses hanging around in the sky behind the clouds. Behind the clouds is outer space. There is nothing out there but the cosmos, and no, there are no spiritual realms out there. Stop fantasizing.
@@we8608 you’re the one who believes in fairytales thinking things can just pop into existence out of nothing. Let me guess you believe genies in lamps are real too huh? You’re the type of kid who thought money grew on trees growing up, Probably hecka privileged too. Pull your head out the clouds fam and think with your brain. Nothing has ever and will ever just pop into existence, especially something as complicated as a universe let alone life. People like you need to stop living in Lala land and come back down to reality.
@@esdrassalgado8850 your entire diatribe is pointless drivel. You not only lack any concept of logic, toy also have no concept of life. Do you need a pathetic sky dictator to have meaning in your life? I certainly don't. My life is full of meaning, no mind numbing, idiotic superstition required. Do some research on logic and reasoning before you attempt to speak to it, you've only shown how ignorant you are. And you're 100% correct, i, like many atheists do hold myself on higher ground intellectually. You cannot have true intelligence and believe any religious garbage at the same time
hackum1 Thank "God", Indeed! I can only envision Christopher rolling his eyes at such a statement. We, Christopher and I, both perceive the graciousness of the sentiment, as well as the irony.
He's lost you because what he's saying is the most ill-formed logical presentation In the world. No unbiased philosopher or scientist would take it seriously. "The universe must have had a cause therefore God loves us" it's ridiculous. I'm not sure he doesn't have learning difficulties. The problem isn't your ability to follow his arguments, the problem is his inability to make an argument that logically follows.
I can't tell you how nice it is for once to scroll through the "top comments" and see zero whiny and personally offended pissed off Christians acting exactly like someone their God wouldn't like.
I listened more than once to understand what each was saying and found that Hitchens is mostly a lot of talk without much substance to the arguments that the other speakers brought up. I notice on this post that most all posts are positive about Christopher. 😊
@@enriquefranco6330 on the contrary, I find very little substance in a deity who ignores his chosen creation for millennia, and then reveals itself only to a select few in a select location instead of to the entire world, without corroborative accounts in history and archeology. This is one of the most compelling arguments against monotheism I’ve ever heard, and I remember first hearing it from Christopher Hitchens. As for its rebuttal presented here, I would respond that there are far more practical written works for our present times than the Bible. The US Constitution comes to mind as one example.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence comes evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" _Epicurus_
The most interesting part of this debate was the part regarding the cosmological constants and the "fine tuning" of the universe and so on. This is an argument that falls on its own unreasonableness. The vast majority of the universe is fiercely inhospitable to life, or at least carbon-based life, due to radiation, temperature, gravity, and so forth, i.e. not fine-tuned by any means. And it is mind-boggling in the first place that people are surprised to find themselves on a planet that allows for life. Nobody will ever find themselves asking that question on a planet that does *not* allow for life. It is a self-fulfilling, circular, recursive argument which, of course, is and always will be the very trademark of unjustified and wishful thinking, more commonly known as religion.
There are times when you come across a person who was ahead of their time, this man's intellect was wasted on these people I believe his words if said today could change the world.
Angry alcoholic who thought the war in Iraq was a roaring success till his dying day lest he admit to being wrong about something. In the words of his own brother, " Man is not great" Peter Hitchens.
@@XYisnotXX He objectively wasn't an alcoholic, his rationale for supporting the war in iraq was sound given his principles. and why would you listen to a word his brainwashed christian conservative brother has to say?
@@andrewz4105 The war in Iraq was an oil grab nothing more, the dogs in the street knew there were no naughty weapons of mass destruction. He was obliterated in debate by his own brother over the war and made to look like a fool! His alcoholism contributed greatly to his early demise along with his heavy smoking. Why should I listen to his superiors? Well unlike him there don't believe that magic interactions between random magic unguided chemicals acting apon more magic random unguided chemicals inside of magic matter (in this case his brain matter) creating such a miraculous effect as proper logical inference and truth for which there is absolutely no evidence of any description whatsoever. " Man is not great " Peter Hitchens.
This debate should be titled 4 retards vs. a real intellectual. It is shameful that in the 21st century people still believe this nonsense, and the 4 frauds and con men on stage are shameful ignoramuses whose whole purpose is to deliberately dupe and mislead indoctrinated and credulous people who have never been exposed to anything other than a dusty old 3,000 year old book that they have been told from the day they were born was the only thing they needed to know, and hitchens, one of the great truth bearers on this subject, went too soon.
"We have to be brothers, one with another", Hitchens "Why?", Douglas "We have to fight this off", Hitchens "Why?", Douglas "For our own survival. For our children's sake", Hitchens
It wasn't at all 'brave' for Hitchens to attend this discussion. It was an opportunity for Hitch to educate, humiliate and honor them with his presence!!! I swear Craig is such a douchebag with all his babble. 🤣🤣 No real challenge for Hitch, he out wits, and shines everytime! I've yet to meet his genius equal. The greatest orator, wordsmith, and comedic delivery, I've ever witnessed. I will forever listen to him, miss him, and so grateful for the best professor I've ever had! Cheers to the late great Hitch!!!🍻🥂
10000% agree. I've watched this and other Hitchens debates multiple times. Read his books multiple times. He was a master that truly left this earth too soon. I wish more idiots, I mean religious people would hear him and break the disgusting cycle of hate, fear, self loathing, and violence caused by their beliefs in a celestial boogeyman
Who else fast forward to hear only the great Christopher Hitchens rhetoric? Christopher's patience dealing with these imbecilic deluded morons is amazing..May his mellifluous voice continue to enlighten the thinking man for thousands of years! Oh Yes!!
The dude at the podium started this off with a near minute long commercial for their magazine subscriptions. That informed me of the caliber of the "thought leaders" on that stage sitting with Christopher.
This discussion is really hilarious, comical! I am not sure how Mr. Hitchens could keep his composure and not roll on the floor laughing. These guys in suits making these jokes with a straight face is really entertaining. They actually belive what they are saying :)
Never thought I would hear this from a Christian at 31:52: “Atheism is for the strong and intelligent. Christianity is for those that are not strong and not intelligent.” Yep. Nailed it. Think about this for a second…Hitchens wasn’t born with all that knowledge…he gained it by being a voracious reader…and he was doing that while these 4 weak and dumb men were in church listening to a revered with a high school education give the same ridiculous sermons. One chose knowledge, the others chose ignorance. So, it’s not that Christians are weak and unintelligent, it’s that they CHOOSE to be weak and unintelligent.
No proof of supernatural power, thousands of gods created by humans in our short time on this planet, a panel of faith believers, and 1 genius. We miss you Christopher.
When Sam Harris accused Christians of playing tennis without the net, this is what he was talking about. On the one hand they say the father raped his daughter in a dungeon because God gave him free will and it would be a slippery slope to intervene. Then later when Christopher said he was hardwired to love his daughter they said it's because God hardwired/programmed him that way. It's hard to think on your feet when it's 1 vs 5 but I wish he would have pointed out that if God hardwired him to love his daughter then he also hard wired the man to rape and torture his daughter.
Now I've seen many Hitchens's debates and I think it's impossible to beat him in a discussion. Never seen it happen and can't imagine what it would look like.
The preacher, if you didn’t know, meant that as an epistemic challenge. You’re straw manning him here for a giggle. Which I gotta say doesn’t live up to the standard Hitchens set in this and all his other debates.
Craig doesn't need any help with that. It happens as soon as he opens his mouth. "If it's even POSSIBLE that there is a universe where Santa Claus exists, it therefore proves that Santa Claus exists!" Better make sure I'm on the nice list!!!
From about 35 minutes in until Hitchens stops speaking proves to me that he was a masterful rhetorician. Sometimes I imagine his monologues in another accent and, though they lose a little something, they are still powerful and moving. Fuck cancer.
It genuinely worries me when I hear grown men, educated and civilized men like those on the panel, (apart from Hitchens) speak like mad cultists. It's totally alien to me to hear people talking that way. If you put any of those guys on a street corner in a ragged robe, with long greasy hair, saying exactly the same words you'd cross the road to avoid them, or tell a policeman. They have no answer to Hitchens' arguments which clearly frustrates him because instead they offer nonsense. They are bad faith interlocutors.
There's something I've never understood about how Christopher responded to the moral question, why doesn't he just concede that morality is subjective and part of an evolutionary process. It wouldn't put him on the back foot because surely the point is that modern imperfect humanism is inherently still better than the imaginary objectivity of bronze age religious doctrine, they always seem to work him into a corner with that one.
+Maestro Gee yeah I've wondered something similar, I feel like you could say even less than "subjective part of an evolutionary process". They act like it's a cornering question, but knowing where our morality comes from doesn't seem like an important question.
contactkeithstack exactly, they present it as if it's an argument which somehow damages an atheistic world view but even if it was conceded that our morality is ultimately without any foundation it would prove nothing about the existence or non-existence of a God.
All these years later,knowing what we know now, every time Christopher coughs, my stomach clenches. How I wish this man was here today. He is so needed.
"The atheist has no basis for objecting to any kind of behaviour thoughout history." I have no basis? I don't want to be assaulted. I don't want to be murdered. I don't want to be oppressed. I recognize such things as unpleasant for myself. I have empathy, and I can easily extrapolate that what I find to be intolerable is also intolerable for others, and so I will not take any of those actions and I will condemn them when I see them.
Not going to count the moderator? The dude kept injecting his beliefs in so often I was starting to think he was one of the speakers instead of the moderator.
He practiced a lot. Like any great orator, he honed his material over time. But it helps when you're twice as smart as anybody else in the room and all they can do is spout nonsense.
I had to slow down the play speed in order to take in what Craig was saying. That dude spoke atrociously during that debate. Regardless of one's position on the topic, it is incomprehensible that anyone could ever take that man seriously. If you listen to what he says, each and every one of his arguments do not stand up to question whatsoever.
49:40 The christian side already assumes, that SOMEONE must have hardwired human beings. Now, how did they already get to asking "who", instead of what or how? That already seems like an unreasonable jump in logic! This is just one of many unbased religious claims in this discussion.
love how the faithful NEVER mention this hitch-craig meeting. without the strict debate format to hide behind, just another christian, and with all the depth and glitter of a worn dime.
As for the 'tithing is a moral act which an atheist doesn't do.' Last I checked atheists can, and do, give plenty to charities. That is absolutely in the same vein as tithing - and is, in fact, more moral than tithing is, as the money given to charity is used for charitable ends, and not a tax-exempt source of income to an organization.
"I used to be an atheist, but then my wife turned into christinanity and i had to make a choice between staying an atheist, or getting laid on a regular basis." is all i heard from the first speaker >.
Bingo. Looks like he was literally cumming to god.
Hahaha hehehe I was going to right the same thing the power of the pussy lol
pussie whipped
😂 lol
So finely tuned to exist in one minuscule part of the universe which is like saying that you must give me my pension because I went to work for 1 femtosecond.
I feel more love and respect for Hitchens, a man I never met, than I could ever be told to feel for any god.
It was so brave of Hitchens to sit with these people, listen to their nonsense, compose himself and bring forward his message.
Hardly "brave" he probably looked upon this 'debate' as a piece of frivolous nonsense before lunch...🤣
Nah, they brought knives to a gun fight.
Wish someone would edit out all this skydaddy crap. But then again this piece will lose its masterful illustration of how man invented god.
@@weemaggiejiggs8832 Do you know what year this is from? Thank you
says who?
More like bringing forth reality.
I can actually feel my IQ dropping as I tolerate (endure) the idiotic arguments of the pro religious. It's insane. Hitches is Magisterial as always.
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Same. The obtuse density of the faithful is abhorrent
Got the Christmas thesaurus early? Nice!
@@thomasbonnett4800 no I actually just speak as though I’m educated lol
There are many intelligent theists. It's important to remember that even intelligent people believe things that aren't provably true.
37:46 _"Imagine how she must have prayed everyday, how she must have beseeched heaven. Imagine for twenty four years and no, no answer at all, nothing! _*_Nothing!_* Goodness me what a moment. It's very satisfying to see a very unfiltered version of the anger he must feel towards religion.
As far as the bible goes...he had every right to do what he did to his daughter.
@@sciencefirst7032?
@@LMFAORomania women are treated as property especially daughters. Look them up...all old testament stuff. Like...selling them into slavery, killing them whenever you want...ect. It's all there.
MH Aurora I think it shows his anger at the lack of a god and anger at those who still follow that fantasy.
@@at6686 Could it be anger at those who presents the God delusion as something worthwhile to entertain?
On what sadistic grounds you have to stand to pretend that what that women went through can be compensated in any way. It's not like she was asked for that bargain.
This is why Christopher is so missed. To have the balls to go in the ring with 4 theist plus 1 extra in guise of a moderator. To have the mental courage to do so. It’s says something about a person.
And mind you , it looks easy for the atheistic side cause Christopher makes it look easy.
You will be missed sir.
I wonder if he held to his atheism on his deathbed.
@@zZavies
Duh.
@@GuitarGuy057 idk about it.
@@zZavies Then you're abysmal at preponderance of evidence.
Which, if you're religious, tracks.
@@GuitarGuy057 atheism is still an ism
They argue that Christianity offers hope, whereas (Hitchens) humanism does not. There is something worse than no hope . . . it's called false hope.
Hitchens has the patience of Job, lol. Thank you sir for helping me on my journey of letting go of catholicism and instead embracing reality more authentically, and in fact more lovingly.
Five against one and Hitch still slaps each and every one. Reason above everything.
Hitchens himself disagrees. Please lay out how he slapped Brother Wilson! Thanks
exactly
What’s really scary and alarming is how one can’t see how Hitchens bitch slapped each opponent with pure reason and logic ... to understand how he did it you simply have to say to yourself “ can a spider man comic book actually prove the existence of spider man?” ... if you can’t understand this analogy then you’ve got a bigger problem than you think .. all religion and god(s) like comic books and super hero’s - are man made.
@@Fundaykidzz well said
It's a whole brainwashed school
"We have A lot of brain power up here" That moderator was very polite to those believers by not pointing out he was talking directly about Christopher
True
👍🤣😂😅🏆
If there are 5 billion brain cells between the debaters on the panel, how many does each debater have?
what an absolute tautologist William Lane Craig is... how can someone with such little reasoning be respected
When word's are many, your just babbling
It's Philosophy of Religion he's respected in, not ACTUAL philosophy. Or science for that matter.
Plus he's just mealy mouthed... Always sounds like hi pitched wanking
He's just another con man
Easy. Have even less reasoning.
Christopher Hitchens: answers all the questions with fine detail.
Dr.William Craig at the end: nOnE Of OUr qUesTiONs wERe aNsWERd.
First thing I thought when I heard that was... so William, you seem to have political aspirations.
I now have watched about three other debates involving WLC and he pretty much 'sums up' every other debate like this.
He always does that
I went to a Conservative Christian Camp somewhere in southern Kansas back in June of 1993 when I was 12 years old. We had a counselor who was speaking to us children and teenagers who were 11-14 years old. This man in his 20s looked at every last one of us and said now you know we all to deserve to burn in hell for eternity and if it wasnt for Jesus we all would be. My heart I thought was going to jump right out of my throat and I was so enraged. My blood was boiling, my body shook violently, and I wanted to walk right up to that guy and kick him right in the balls. I dont see how anyone can live with themself or look someone in the face and say something so hideouly wickedly immoral to children, teenagers, or anyone for that matter. Oh, they would say were just teaching them that because it is only the truth. There is not even one shred of credible evidence to back up that claim. Thank You Christopher, you will be missed.
Maybe after your counselor said all those stupid remarks about how you are doomed to hell---he later said privately to each kid you can be redeemed if you make me happy as he put his hands in private places.
Mordecai Ruckman are you joking or are you just stupid? He didn’t want to kick the guy in the balls for not having evidence. He wanted to kick the guy in the balls for telling 11 - 14 year olds that that they would and do deserve to suffer for eternity except for the salvation of Jesus, for which there is no evidence.
You poor little baby .
Newsflash: most humans are totally delusional and insane.
@@dentonfender8872 Nowadays with less people in church there’s
child predators elsewhere. child indoctrination is like a mental molestation of young minds though.
Hitchens is the only intelligent person on that stage and the only one worthwhile listening to.
That statement is not true, not constructive and is in fact de-constructive. I'm not gonna argue about the speakers or the subject we probably agree on most things, but I don't agree on your attitude towards the 'other side in fact i vehemently disagree with any gratous demeaning comment against theists.
Why?
You are not doing any good to the furthering of atheism and more generally rational critical thinking.
Imagine being a theist reading that. And imagine you actually also made real pertinant points that had not been answered.
I can guarantee 99.99% of people will instantly dismiss all of your comment because it was felt as an unjustified (or plain) attack. It's dumb it's unrelated but people take critism of their beliefs as critisism of them and more so the stronger held.
You are basically attacking the most fundamental central pillar of a belief and that is equivalent to you giving them a get out of jail card.
You give them an espace route, oh that bastard is just a godless immoral atheist look at how he is full of hate on our poor religion, people hate christians so much we are constantly attacked- in the meantime not even having to dismiss your actual points, why give any time to the raving comments of a demonised adversary?
I understand where the sentiment comes from believe me, and i ve been far more brutal in many conversations with thiests. Not proud nor ashamed i'd be gzntler on some but not everyone deserveq your good will, and sometimes you just get angry no big deal, the difference is between attacking a person which is perfectly fine if merited, and attacking an ideology solely by mocking, which is actually helping said ideology by protecting it from critisism.
Again i understand and i m not saying you should never do it just to be clear.
Personally i find that it is sometimes the right thing to do in my moral code (utilitarian in moral philosophy terms) is attacking islam without any reason, not muslims but just bashing the religion a bit with true harsh arguments. Because i feel theu are wining the war against free speach and trying to ban critism, i will not let that happen
@@alexisjuillard4816 wow what a loser you are. You just typed an essay to yourself because trust me, no one gives a flying fluck what your opinion is. You must be really lonely to want to type for 10 minutes to yourself
He's also the only one being inconsistent with what he thinks, which expose's what he says is a lie.
@@kellygipson8354 you edited your comment that was 1 sentence long, barely. I’d advise you not to give your unsolicited opinion. Especially if it consists of a single sentence that you can’t get right the first time
The desire for structure and purpose is so overwhelming for these theists that it is disturbing. What could be more narcissistic and arrogant than thinking one is a member of a chosen class of people, and that one knows the will of God? They are so afraid of freedom and liberty. So afraid to make a choice based on reason and logic. So afraid to live in a World without a totalitarian Father.
That makes absolutely no sense what you just said. “Based on reason and logic”? Where do you get off of telling someone what to do or to even call something logic when we’re just matter acting on time and space. That means there is no meaning or purpose or even thinking for that matter that should matter at all. We’re just stardust colliding with each other. Even atheist make me laugh because there logic is so flawed. A true atheist if one didn’t really believe in God wouldn’t be here commenting on TH-cam videos because there is not sense in actually commenting if where just time and space acting on matter. Even your thinking pattern of composing a sentence is illogical how can we show you’re right, how can we prove that logic even exist if we just evolved into what we are? Whose to say that is even true? Atheist sound like the far left who say men can be women and women can be men. It’s all ludicrous when you speak because there is not such thing as objective truth in an atheist world view. So why bother with literally anything. Why care about evil and good if there is no objective truth. And if we developed this objective truth how do we even know it’s right. I swear atheist stand on such High ground thinking they are superior in intellect when you’re own intellect you brag about isn’t even founded on nothing, its wrong or right but how would we know?
@@esdrassalgado8850 dude, the American Santa Claus isn't real. He's not a fat old white guy with a white beard and bald head. He never had a wife. There's no Easter bunny. There are no fairies. There is no God, gods, goddesses hanging around in the sky behind the clouds. Behind the clouds is outer space. There is nothing out there but the cosmos, and no, there are no spiritual realms out there. Stop fantasizing.
@@we8608 you’re the one who believes in fairytales thinking things can just pop into existence out of nothing. Let me guess you believe genies in lamps are real too huh? You’re the type of kid who thought money grew on trees growing up, Probably hecka privileged too. Pull your head out the clouds fam and think with your brain. Nothing has ever and will ever just pop into existence, especially something as complicated as a universe let alone life. People like you need to stop living in Lala land and come back down to reality.
@@esdrassalgado8850 I'm atheist.
@@esdrassalgado8850 your entire diatribe is pointless drivel. You not only lack any concept of logic, toy also have no concept of life. Do you need a pathetic sky dictator to have meaning in your life? I certainly don't. My life is full of meaning, no mind numbing, idiotic superstition required. Do some research on logic and reasoning before you attempt to speak to it, you've only shown how ignorant you are. And you're 100% correct, i, like many atheists do hold myself on higher ground intellectually. You cannot have true intelligence and believe any religious garbage at the same time
The Fritzl argument just crushed the opposition. Hitchens showed real anger here and it made his argument ten times stronger.
Their floundering responses just showed how they couldn't comprehend the thought. Embarrassing
Thank God for Christopher Hitchens!
Thank Christopher Hitchens mother for Christopher Hitchens!
hackum1 Thank "God", Indeed! I can only envision Christopher rolling his eyes at such a statement. We, Christopher and I, both perceive the graciousness of the sentiment, as well as the irony.
Thank god?
Amen!
Hahaha good one that was funny
''horray for hitch'' he won't let you down..
Only 4 Christians? How unfair...
Lol. No doubt!
It should b reversed to make it a lil closer to fair
they could use 15; wouldn't make a fuck worth of difference
I know and none of them armed to spar with the late great Hitch 😢
Don't forget the moderator, who engaged with hitch at the beginning then ducked out when he realisef how putmatched he was, so 5 christians.
In Einstein words, if I were wrong 1 would have sufficed.
Craig makes these enormous leaps of logic, 'this therefore, that' and by the time he inhales he's lost me.
He's lost you because what he's saying is the most ill-formed logical presentation In the world. No unbiased philosopher or scientist would take it seriously.
"The universe must have had a cause therefore God loves us" it's ridiculous. I'm not sure he doesn't have learning difficulties.
The problem isn't your ability to follow his arguments, the problem is his inability to make an argument that logically follows.
Hitchens makes his arguments in such a way that its very hard not to take his side. Beautiful mind! Thanks for the wisdom.
I can't tell you how nice it is for once to scroll through the "top comments" and see zero whiny and personally offended pissed off Christians acting exactly like someone their God wouldn't like.
It is much more pleasant to see all these 'whiny', 'pissed off', 'personally offended' "a-Theists"‽ Hmmm...
What does my God, your GOD, 'like'?
I listened more than once to understand what each was saying and found that Hitchens is mostly a lot of talk without much substance to the arguments that the other speakers brought up.
I notice on this post that most all posts are positive about Christopher. 😊
@@enriquefranco6330 on the contrary, I find very little substance in a deity who ignores his chosen creation for millennia, and then reveals itself only to a select few in a select location instead of to the entire world, without corroborative accounts in history and archeology. This is one of the most compelling arguments against monotheism I’ve ever heard, and I remember first hearing it from Christopher Hitchens. As for its rebuttal presented here, I would respond that there are far more practical written works for our present times than the Bible. The US Constitution comes to mind as one example.
@@enriquefranco6330its ALL substance. You're just not registering it because you don't want to have your entire life view shattered
It's like an adult arguing with 4 children
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence comes evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" _Epicurus_
Not sure how Christopher Hitchens can keep a straight face and not start cracking up at the craziness spouted around him.
Maturity.
That has been my #1 question about God debaters for years. I wouldn't be able to stop laughing.
Because he takes these matters seriously and he is trying to make valid points, not just make fun of the subject at hand.
Craig gives a masterclass in lying. Wilson gives a masterclass in cognitive dissonance.
The worst of it is that he's actually smart enough to know that (and understand why) his sht stinks - pun intended - to high heaven.
The most interesting part of this debate was the part regarding the cosmological constants and the "fine tuning" of the universe and so on. This is an argument that falls on its own unreasonableness. The vast majority of the universe is fiercely inhospitable to life, or at least carbon-based life, due to radiation, temperature, gravity, and so forth, i.e. not fine-tuned by any means. And it is mind-boggling in the first place that people are surprised to find themselves on a planet that allows for life. Nobody will ever find themselves asking that question on a planet that does *not* allow for life. It is a self-fulfilling, circular, recursive argument which, of course, is and always will be the very trademark of unjustified and wishful thinking, more commonly known as religion.
Indeed. It's Douglas Adam's water puddle on cosmological scope.
And even most of our planet is unlivable because we can't breathe underwater.
Bravo! 👏👏👏
Exactly if it was that fined tuned by a celestial smart arse- he’d have bolted on a meteor deflector
We are fkd
Are you sure we aren't on a flat disc being held up by four elephants per Terry Pratchett?
There are times when you come across a person who was ahead of their time, this man's intellect was wasted on these people I believe his words if said today could change the world.
They were, they didn't. You can't dislodge ignorance.
If there ever was a man who was OF his time, that would be Christopher.
Hitchens isn't just the smartest man in the room, he's got more braincells than every other man combined
Angry alcoholic who thought the war in Iraq was a roaring success till his dying day lest he admit to being wrong about something. In the words of his own brother, " Man is not great" Peter Hitchens.
@@XYisnotXX He objectively wasn't an alcoholic, his rationale for supporting the war in iraq was sound given his principles. and why would you listen to a word his brainwashed christian conservative brother has to say?
@@andrewz4105 The war in Iraq was an oil grab nothing more, the dogs in the street knew there were no naughty weapons of mass destruction. He was obliterated in debate by his own brother over the war and made to look like a fool! His alcoholism contributed greatly to his early demise along with his heavy smoking. Why should I listen to his superiors? Well unlike him there don't believe that magic interactions between random magic unguided chemicals acting apon more magic random unguided chemicals inside of magic matter (in this case his brain matter) creating such a miraculous effect as proper logical inference and truth for which there is absolutely no evidence of any description whatsoever. " Man is not great " Peter Hitchens.
Indeed, and what would that say about God who we supposedly were made in the image of... 🤔
This debate should be titled 4 retards vs. a real intellectual. It is shameful that in the 21st century people still believe this nonsense, and the 4 frauds and con men on stage are shameful ignoramuses whose whole purpose is to deliberately dupe and mislead indoctrinated and credulous people who have never been exposed to anything other than a dusty old 3,000 year old book that they have been told from the day they were born was the only thing they needed to know, and hitchens, one of the great truth bearers on this subject, went too soon.
"We have to be brothers, one with another", Hitchens
"Why?", Douglas
"We have to fight this off", Hitchens
"Why?", Douglas
"For our own survival. For our children's sake", Hitchens
It wasn't at all 'brave' for Hitchens to attend this discussion. It was an opportunity for Hitch to educate, humiliate and honor them with his presence!!!
I swear Craig is such a douchebag with all his babble. 🤣🤣
No real challenge for Hitch, he out wits, and shines everytime!
I've yet to meet his genius equal. The greatest orator, wordsmith, and comedic delivery, I've ever witnessed.
I will forever listen to him, miss him, and so grateful for the best professor I've ever had!
Cheers to the late great Hitch!!!🍻🥂
10000% agree. I've watched this and other Hitchens debates multiple times. Read his books multiple times. He was a master that truly left this earth too soon. I wish more idiots, I mean religious people would hear him and break the disgusting cycle of hate, fear, self loathing, and violence caused by their beliefs in a celestial boogeyman
It's not bravery when you're the only heavyweight in the room, it's merely a workout.
Christopher hitchens was the bill Buckley of the left.
He didn't even need to crack a sweat. A lion against 5 mice.
Christopher we have lost an amazing man!
By the end of this debate, Hitchens had these guys just bawling their eyes out.
Hitchens face at the beginning when the mod is talking about the subscription to the Christian magazine 😂😂😂
I gotta go back and look 😂
never...never will we come even close to seeing the likes of our precious hitch
Who else fast forward to hear only the great Christopher Hitchens rhetoric? Christopher's patience dealing with these imbecilic deluded morons is amazing..May his mellifluous voice continue to enlighten the thinking man for thousands of years! Oh Yes!!
The dude at the podium started this off with a near minute long commercial for their magazine subscriptions. That informed me of the caliber of the "thought leaders" on that stage sitting with Christopher.
This discussion is really hilarious, comical! I am not sure how Mr. Hitchens could keep his composure and not roll on the floor laughing. These guys in suits making these jokes with a straight face is really entertaining. They actually belive what they are saying :)
“We’re gonna need more apologists.”
And more of these "moderators".
@@Ometecuhtli "And more magazine subscriptions."
Never thought I would hear this from a Christian at 31:52: “Atheism is for the strong and intelligent. Christianity is for those that are not strong and not intelligent.” Yep. Nailed it. Think about this for a second…Hitchens wasn’t born with all that knowledge…he gained it by being a voracious reader…and he was doing that while these 4 weak and dumb men were in church listening to a revered with a high school education give the same ridiculous sermons. One chose knowledge, the others chose ignorance. So, it’s not that Christians are weak and unintelligent, it’s that they CHOOSE to be weak and unintelligent.
No proof of supernatural power, thousands of gods created by humans in our short time on this planet, a panel of faith believers, and 1 genius. We miss you Christopher.
I absolutely LOVE Christopher.
Amazing man.
Hitchens has more ethics; more conviction; more sense ; and more intellectual courage then anyone in this room
Careful now. He's not all that infallible. No human being is. I know I ain't.
When Sam Harris accused Christians of playing tennis without the net, this is what he was talking about. On the one hand they say the father raped his daughter in a dungeon because God gave him free will and it would be a slippery slope to intervene. Then later when Christopher said he was hardwired to love his daughter they said it's because God hardwired/programmed him that way. It's hard to think on your feet when it's 1 vs 5 but I wish he would have pointed out that if God hardwired him to love his daughter then he also hard wired the man to rape and torture his daughter.
Love watching this. This is before Hitch got sick. Hitch kicked ass in this debate.
Love ?
@@matimus100 Look it up. You are already on the internet!
Craig's strategy seems to be to overwhelm the opposition with so many logical fallacies that your brain just shuts down.
Skillfull psychobabble numbs the mind.
Now I've seen many Hitchens's debates and I think it's impossible to beat him in a discussion. Never seen it happen and can't imagine what it would look like.
Tunnel vision?
see George Galloway
@@patrickkelly7085 Hitchens won that one too. By far.
Look up his debate with lennox. He conceded I think
@@germansambucety9793 lennox debated in front of his congregation and Hitchens conceded based on the religious audience applause
Sad to hear Christopher coughing. I miss him everyday.
Hitchens "we should outlearn racism"
Priest "why?"
The preacher, if you didn’t know, meant that as an epistemic challenge. You’re straw manning him here for a giggle. Which I gotta say doesn’t live up to the standard Hitchens set in this and all his other debates.
@@dingdongism Christ! Relax Doug 🙄. We both know Hitch would've given the comment a 👍🏿.
Just hit me to. So sad, and yet he stays resolute in his integrity and detailed discussion. He was such a sharp mind.
Hitchens on the top of his game here. Dude is killing it! Love it when anybody makes Lane Craig look like an idiot.
Craig doesn't need any help with that. It happens as soon as he opens his mouth. "If it's even POSSIBLE that there is a universe where Santa Claus exists, it therefore proves that Santa Claus exists!" Better make sure I'm on the nice list!!!
Craig makes it too easy
From about 35 minutes in until Hitchens stops speaking proves to me that he was a masterful rhetorician. Sometimes I imagine his monologues in another accent and, though they lose a little something, they are still powerful and moving.
Fuck cancer.
It genuinely worries me when I hear grown men, educated and civilized men like those on the panel, (apart from Hitchens) speak like mad cultists. It's totally alien to me to hear people talking that way. If you put any of those guys on a street corner in a ragged robe, with long greasy hair, saying exactly the same words you'd cross the road to avoid them, or tell a policeman. They have no answer to Hitchens' arguments which clearly frustrates him because instead they offer nonsense. They are bad faith interlocutors.
Craig truly is a proper fool.
I would not want to be sitting in that seat at the time. By which I means the 4 fellers sitting next to Hitch.
If Jesus died for your sins why are you still born in sin?
There's something I've never understood about how Christopher responded to the moral question, why doesn't he just concede that morality is subjective and part of an evolutionary process. It wouldn't put him on the back foot because surely the point is that modern imperfect humanism is inherently still better than the imaginary objectivity of bronze age religious doctrine, they always seem to work him into a corner with that one.
+Maestro Gee yeah I've wondered something similar, I feel like you could say even less than "subjective part of an evolutionary process". They act like it's a cornering question, but knowing where our morality comes from doesn't seem like an important question.
contactkeithstack exactly, they present it as if it's an argument which somehow damages an atheistic world view but even if it was conceded that our morality is ultimately without any foundation it would prove nothing about the existence or non-existence of a God.
Maestro Gee yeah or the existence of the behavior we call moral.
Hitchslapped !! All of them
"The Christians outnumber us four-to-one. Good odds, for any atheist." - Hitch / Leonidas
Most of what I'm listening to is incoherent babbling. I suffer through the Christian comments to hear the Hitchslap.
49:39 The orangutan comparison was perfect, as if he needed a celestial dictator to care for his own children 🤷🏾♂️😂🦧
That cough attack close to the 1 hour mark in the video....Damit :/
I know :( you can notice it in many of his debates circa 09'/10'. so sad.
Hitchens was not unlike a US F-22; he took out four opponents that never saw him coming.
Love this :-)
Whenever WLC says "intellectual" I have an uncontrollable urge to plant my face into my palm.
0:09:10 CH
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Nice work 👌
This whole thing is 5 against 1 and yet Hitchens is the only one to demonstrate morality.
Knowing what we know now, it's painful to see Hitchens coughing.
Please don't be dead Christopher.
Hitchens is brilliant.
It is so painful to listen to Lane Craig
Look at William Craig Lane at 3:45... his face shows that he really thinks the whole crowd is applauding him 😆
One sharpened kitchen knife in a drawer full of rusty spoons
👍🤣😂😅
where did he get the strength !
You mean hitchen knife...
"Man is not great" Peter Hitchens
@@XYisnotXXmaybe not, but at least he exists
That man near the start talking about soda fizzing up has completely lost his marbles
😂
As usual, starts off with a sales pitch. I miss Christopher
All these years later,knowing what we know now, every time Christopher coughs, my stomach clenches. How I wish this man was here today. He is so needed.
4 vs hitch - and they're still outnumbered.
"The atheist has no basis for objecting to any kind of behaviour thoughout history." I have no basis? I don't want to be assaulted. I don't want to be murdered. I don't want to be oppressed. I recognize such things as unpleasant for myself. I have empathy, and I can easily extrapolate that what I find to be intolerable is also intolerable for others, and so I will not take any of those actions and I will condemn them when I see them.
Not going to count the moderator? The dude kept injecting his beliefs in so often I was starting to think he was one of the speakers instead of the moderator.
I love Hitch but can't listen to this garbage. He is genius, but these others.....ugh.....
TheBillP76 thankfully you don’t have to, because Hitchens suffered in our place. Haha.
TheBillP76 5 to 1 wasn’t a fair fight. They needed at least 20 to start getting close.
They should do one about Santa Claus too
Another astounding argument for Christianity: it gives hope to the feeble and stupid.
My head hurts.
And money to those who can't have a proper job.
5v1? Why give Hitchens such an advantage?
Is it in poor taste for the moderator to immediately hock their own book which is in favor of one side of the argument? I think so.
Hitch was so natural. All that information at his fingers and put so eloquently.
Beautiful Hitch. RIP, we will take it from here sir
He practiced a lot. Like any great orator, he honed his material over time. But it helps when you're twice as smart as anybody else in the room and all they can do is spout nonsense.
Only 4+ the moderator?? I miss Christopher Hitchens a lot.
I had to slow down the play speed in order to take in what Craig was saying. That dude spoke atrociously during that debate. Regardless of one's position on the topic, it is incomprehensible that anyone could ever take that man seriously.
If you listen to what he says, each and every one of his arguments do not stand up to question whatsoever.
Four against one. The four never had a chance.
49:40 The christian side already assumes, that SOMEONE must have hardwired human beings. Now, how did they already get to asking "who", instead of what or how? That already seems like an unreasonable jump in logic!
This is just one of many unbased religious claims in this discussion.
07:53 Hitch's reaction is priceless.
Hitchens is my god and you cant prove me wrong
Make it right... now. Dignity is needed in life . To think you get later is a waste.
5 against one and he still won
Epic debate. Hitch is fearless. Thanks for posting.
love how the faithful NEVER mention this hitch-craig meeting.
without the strict debate format to hide behind, just another christian, and with all the depth and glitter of a worn dime.
Religious people have no shame in admitting that they would believe absolutely anything in the absence of evidence.
The hosts had real balls to invite Hitchens and only send 4 apologists out to meet him.
This debate could only be improved by the addition of shrooms
I love Hitch's body language in this debate (constant folding of arms)
As for the 'tithing is a moral act which an atheist doesn't do.' Last I checked atheists can, and do, give plenty to charities. That is absolutely in the same vein as tithing - and is, in fact, more moral than tithing is, as the money given to charity is used for charitable ends, and not a tax-exempt source of income to an organization.
4 theists against Hitch? That's not fair. They needed more!