"Stockhausen rarely gives interviews" ...if you search "Stockhausen interview" there's a ton of material. He was very present in the academic world and in music industry, and there are even a lot of whole lectures of his. We are not talking about Scelsi or Sorabji....but journalists always tend to exaggerate their achievements..
Stockhausen on his own legacy: "i didn't break anything... I just left it as it is. but I added a lot of new works... there is enough to study now for centuries to add this to the traditional music. (breaking eachother's work) that is respect-less and I don't like that at all." love how Stockhausen maintains in this interview!
The greatest part of this interview is the fact that you just know the interviewer spent hours, maybe days, thinking of what to ask first and expecting a nice, long answer to the most brilliant thing he could come up with, only to be shot down in flames. Hilarious.
This reminds me of an incident that occurred in the late 70s when I managed a high-end stereo store in Ann Arbor, Michigan. We carried the Carver Holographic preamp. A group of grad students from U of M came with a stack of records to test it. One was Stockhausen's 'Gesang der Jünglinge' on DG. In one section, the voice image moved dramatically up and down; it was so obvious that everyone noticed it. They freaked. "How the hell did he do that?" they demanded. I never figured it out.
Oh the interviewer really must have thought his questions were amazing, but in fact there was a total lack of tune between him and Stockhausen. It seems like the guy wasn't seeing or questioning Stockhausen at all, and was only able to address a distorted image that he had previously created about the composer.
Yes you are right. He was starting only from a sort of caracature of what the so called avant garde is, insisting that Stockhausen be perceived as an outsider, but he was a sincere classical composer inside the tradition.
Before they became famous, the Beatles played in Hamburg, Germany, for eight solid weeks in August 1960 at two or three clubs. Both Paul McCartney and John Lennon liked avant garde music. Paul looked up Stockhausen, turned John Lennon on to him. Stockhausen turned both Beatles on to electronic music. Soon everyone on the cutting edge of music was trading in their acoustical instruments for electronic pianos, bass, guitars, and saxophones. Soon Beatles music was being played by jazz musicians with electronic instruments. Stockhausen is a major influence in music and sound. He is genius.
un genio total. El maestro stockhausen es un compositor extraordinario que ayuda con su intelecto y con su musicalidad a elaborar cada dia mas lo mas hermoso que tiene el ser humano " la musica".
The last time Stockhausen saw his father (a German soldier on leave from the front) was in 1945. His father told him "I'm not coming back, take care of things." And his father was soon thereafter listed as missing in action. What a terrible burden of sorrow that entire generation had to bear.
mmlight is so right... I am a lonely math student who listens to Stockhausen, I really love his music, and I consider him a genius. I would just like to add that I have friends who study either Physics, Psychology or Law, and they share my point of view, and enjoy his music a lot too, so, not only math students, but other college students listen to him.
Just what is the difference between "sound design" and "sound organised in time"? Are you not playing with words? Like "interior design" and "furnitures organised in space"? "It takes a talented musician who loves what he's doing to make music." So that's Stockhausen. The fact that he composed hundreds of pieces is enough to show that he liked what he was doing.
AT the very beginning, the piece the three musicians are performing is called "Refrain", written in 1959. It was originally scored for piano, percussion and celeste, but as you can see, the celeste has been replaced by a synth using a celeste bank. Better balance of sound.
That's a good point. The intellectualizing and the experiencing of the music are pretty separate. Different tastes in music give us something to talk about I guess.
If you're interested in a good interview with Stockhausen, I'd recommend his conversation with Björk, that's not so hard to find on Google (just search for 'Björk Stockhausen interview').
I feel for the interviewer. More than likely used to interviewing bands like Oasis or Coldplay, probably flung into this with short notice and no knowledge of Stockhausen's work prior.
When we reach the age of perhaps 12 or 13, most of us come to realise that the question "what is your favourite colour" is ridiculous, because all other colours in the spectrum are necessary to give meaning. Similarly the meanings of words in a language are formed only in opposition to other words. That's why, I think, "what is the most beautiful sound" is a fucking stupid question to ask. Certainly a self absorbed artsy fartsy thing to ask as an OPENING question!!
Fuck melody. Fuck rhythm. Fuck tradition. "Noise is sound cured of its disease which is music." - composer Steven E. Streight. CONGRATULATIONS. Today this video was selected by the New Musiology blog archiving avant garde, noise, and experimental musics.
Yes I agree that the ear is connected to the mind.I didn't really mean that it's possible to experience sound without intellectualising it-although I think this is indeed possible.The music we hear is always contextualised,however,and if by intellectualising we take it out of the context it becomes aurally incomprehensible. Anyway, I'm happy for you that your own ear finds this pleasing. As a music student years ago I used to pretend I liked it but now, as a middle-aged person I just come clean.
I think that is Refrain (1956) for piano, percussion, celesta) in a new version called 3x Refrain (2000) which replaces the celesta with a sampler keyboard. The performers also make some vocals during the piece. The video also edits together sections from several of other pieces.
Stockhausen was an influence on the Beatles. Paul McCartney introduced Stockhausen’s work to the group, turning John Lennon into a fan; Lennon and Yoko Ono even sent the composer a Christmas card in 1969. He appears on the Sgt. Pepper album cover, 5th from the left in the top row, between Lenny Bruce and W.C. Fields.
Yes, there indeed is. His music is not being overrated. Don't give up at the first difficulty - keep trying and you'll be able to realize the beauty of his works. Higher art is not always the most accessible.
Well, the ear is connected with the mind. I think what you mean is that it's possible to experience sound without intellectualizing it, which I think is correct. However I find Stockhausen's music to be both pleasing to the ear and stimulating to the imagination and intellect, and I think that any music can be approached in this way. It's up to the individual whether or not to "like" the way something sounds.
Well the major scale has its foundations in the acoustical properties of notes. The major chord can be found in the overtones to a fundamental note. Tonality as it is used to structure music is to some extent artificial because it depends on well-tempered tuning to allow modulation. For whatever reason anyway, we do feel at home in tonality. The ear likes tonality - that's why it's finding its way across the globe and why we allow ourselves to 'get used to it' (if that is the correct phrase).
No, you’ve got it all wrong. Everyone knows the beatles and the mention of him on the cover goes to show how Stockhausen is more accessible than most people think.
the subdominant figure is not that present in the overtones. The only way you could say so it's that the overtones go for a dominant chord (of sorts), so actually what we do have is the dominant, an unstable sound - for what are ears are used to. and what about modality?
Hard to describe the sound of ice bergs. Like a fluttering distortion. Grinding and fluttering. I love your example of beauty. The Disney crowd will take offense.
I'm so glad AFX corrected the old man about making dance music. KHS wrote seminal works like Zyklus but had no concept of modern electronic music. Apples and oranges.
The basic fundamental definition of music is sound organized in time... which Stockhausen does very well. Music is sound, but how can sound not be music if organized in a logical manner?
Yes, I agree for the most part. I think it IS important that composers challenge us on an artistic level. I'm not disputing anyone else's right to enjoy this. I personally, however, would prefer to hear organised pitch - and probably organised via tonality. I don't mean that composers ought to be producing cheap pastiche but that music should be pleasing (in some sense) to the ear. It loses its capacity to express the whole gamut of what music through the centuries has been able to express
yes, they aren't. it is to each person to decide whether it is or it is not music. I'm saying that it's important to hear composers like stokchausen to open our minds to other elements that otherwise we wouldn't notice or other composers that we wouldn't appreciate because we feel they are way too modern e.g.: messiaen, takemitsu. It's important to hear different kinds of music even if one doesn't like it.
Thank you for posting this. Someone a bit more informed and respectful would have done a better job at interviewing this important figure of modern music, though
I tend to think we are "built" fairly neutral to be honest. Whilst I agree with the majority of your comment, there is evidence to suggest we are conditioned from an early age to appreciate (to a greater extent) music and tonality of our native culture. Indian people often cannot understand why we find the 1st - 5th interval pleasing, as they compose in far smaller tonal incriments. Very interesting stuff!
It was brilliant the way he terminated that silly interview, it’s as though he was thinking ‘enough of your BS assumptions and ridiculous questions, time to get back to my music making’!
@@karlkinono if you're just here to troll in the comments as i've seen you underneath a Lot of modern music Videos, would you maybe just consider leaving the contemporary music community?
yes, I agree. I would rather listen to ravel than to stockhausen. However, music, as history has demonstrated, it's not expressive per se. one prefers tonality because the ear is used to it. Tonality is actually very artificial
well, I'm not saying that he's a 'genius' (I really hate that word) but I think that it's absolutely necessary to push the boundaries of music just to make us appreciate some other elements that otherwise we wouldn't notice.
Er...Percussion only plays a TINY part of his output. More important is his Superformula method of composing, his exploration of vocal harmonics, his experiments in multidirectional sound etc etc. To diss him merely on the grounds he didn't use a beat box is profoundly silly really. When the beatbox brigade acheive a third of what KS did (including Octaphonic sound projection) then they may have a point. Until then...... A
While this interviewer has come in for a lot of well-deserved condemnation, I will give him credit for this: he was clever enough to draw Stockhausen out by stating that his music was treated BETTER than that of the Second Viennese School. I'm sure he knew that was not the case, if he'd done any homework at all...
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...'No.'
I miss Stockhausen
Best answer ever.
"Stockhausen rarely gives interviews"
...if you search "Stockhausen interview" there's a ton of material. He was very present in the academic world and in music industry, and there are even a lot of whole lectures of his. We are not talking about Scelsi or Sorabji....but journalists always tend to exaggerate their achievements..
Stockhausen on his own legacy:
"i didn't break anything... I just left it as it is. but I added a lot of new works... there is enough to study now for centuries to add this to the traditional music. (breaking eachother's work) that is respect-less and I don't like that at all."
love how Stockhausen maintains in this interview!
6:30
"I didn't break anything. I just left it as it is."
Great comeback. And true as well.
It’s crazy that this TH-cam video got uploaded when Stockhausen was still alive.
Rest In Peace You Mad Genius
The greatest part of this interview is the fact that you just know the interviewer spent hours, maybe days, thinking of what to ask first and expecting a nice, long answer to the most brilliant thing he could come up with, only to be shot down in flames. Hilarious.
Hahahaha
This reminds me of an incident that occurred in the late 70s when I managed a high-end stereo store in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
We carried the Carver Holographic preamp. A group of grad students from U of M came with a stack of records to test it. One was Stockhausen's 'Gesang der Jünglinge' on DG. In one section, the voice image moved dramatically up and down; it was so obvious that everyone noticed it.
They freaked. "How the hell did he do that?" they demanded.
I never figured it out.
Oh the interviewer really must have thought his questions were amazing, but in fact there was a total lack of tune between him and Stockhausen. It seems like the guy wasn't seeing or questioning Stockhausen at all, and was only able to address a distorted image that he had previously created about the composer.
Yes you are right. He was starting only from a sort of caracature of what the so called avant garde is, insisting that Stockhausen be perceived as an outsider, but he was a sincere classical composer inside the tradition.
It was so lame when the reporter cut him off when he started to talk about how he related to the 2nd Viennese school. Seemed like he had a lot to say.
The interviewer is plainly a bit stupid, uneducated and uniformed.
😂and know i roll a spliff with his grandson. And we laugh and miss his grandvater. He was a kind Person. Bless
Go to the kitchen b1tch
No
After Webern my new obsession is Stockhausen. I love him!
Rest in peace. I met him when I was 17. It was such a revelation for me. First Berio, then Ligeti. Now Stockhausen. I'm very sad today.
Before they became famous, the Beatles played in Hamburg, Germany, for eight solid weeks in August 1960 at two or three clubs. Both Paul McCartney and John Lennon liked avant garde music. Paul looked up Stockhausen, turned John Lennon on to him. Stockhausen turned both Beatles on to electronic music. Soon everyone on the cutting edge of music was trading in their acoustical instruments for electronic pianos, bass, guitars, and saxophones. Soon Beatles music was being played by jazz musicians with electronic instruments. Stockhausen is a major influence in music and sound. He is genius.
you wasted a great opportunity to interview him.
he actually makes opera sound exciting. i'd go see it.
R.I.P. A great maestro, a real genius, we'll miss you
un genio total. El maestro stockhausen es un compositor extraordinario que ayuda con su intelecto y con su musicalidad a elaborar cada dia mas lo mas hermoso que tiene el ser humano " la musica".
Who knows what genius work he could have written with those 11 minutes
His 300 pieces will do fine. Thanks :)
The last time Stockhausen saw his father (a German soldier on leave from the front) was in 1945. His father told him "I'm not coming back, take care of things." And his father was soon thereafter listed as missing in action. What a terrible burden of sorrow that entire generation had to bear.
Really interesting. Thank you very much for this content!
mmlight is so right... I am a lonely math student who listens to Stockhausen, I really love his music, and I consider him a genius. I would just like to add that I have friends who study either Physics, Psychology or Law, and they share my point of view, and enjoy his music a lot too, so, not only math students, but other college students listen to him.
Just what is the difference between "sound design" and "sound organised in time"? Are you not playing with words? Like "interior design" and "furnitures organised in space"?
"It takes a talented musician who loves what he's doing to make music."
So that's Stockhausen. The fact that he composed hundreds of pieces is enough to show that he liked what he was doing.
Very fine! I enjoyed the program!!
I like how he says "Nineteen-Hundred Fifty-One"
It's a normal way of saying a year in German.
Such a wonderful man Karlheinz was.
wonderful...thanks for sharing!
I was waiting for Woody Allen and Marshall McLuhan to appear and tell off the interviewer.
AT the very beginning, the piece the three musicians are performing is called "Refrain", written in 1959. It was originally scored for piano, percussion and celeste, but as you can see, the celeste has been replaced by a synth using a celeste bank. Better balance of sound.
Stockhausen or the art to stay calm when confronted to an idiot.
That's a good point. The intellectualizing and the experiencing of the music are pretty separate. Different tastes in music give us something to talk about I guess.
If you're interested in a good interview with Stockhausen, I'd recommend his conversation with Björk, that's not so hard to find on Google (just search for 'Björk Stockhausen interview').
I feel for the interviewer. More than likely used to interviewing bands like Oasis or Coldplay, probably flung into this with short notice and no knowledge of Stockhausen's work prior.
thank you! finally a reasonable comment
I spent a week of study with him 1986! Great.
Very interesting, great stuff.
When we reach the age of perhaps 12 or 13, most of us come to realise that the question "what is your favourite colour" is ridiculous, because all other colours in the spectrum are necessary to give meaning. Similarly the meanings of words in a language are formed only in opposition to other words. That's why, I think, "what is the most beautiful sound" is a fucking stupid question to ask. Certainly a self absorbed artsy fartsy thing to ask as an OPENING question!!
Fuck melody. Fuck rhythm. Fuck tradition. "Noise is sound cured of its disease which is music." - composer Steven E. Streight. CONGRATULATIONS. Today this video was selected by the New Musiology blog archiving avant garde, noise, and experimental musics.
Yes I agree that the ear is connected to the mind.I didn't really mean that it's possible to experience sound without intellectualising it-although I think this is indeed possible.The music we hear is always contextualised,however,and if by intellectualising we take it out of the context it becomes aurally incomprehensible. Anyway, I'm happy for you that your own ear finds this pleasing. As a music student years ago I used to pretend I liked it but now, as a middle-aged person I just come clean.
I think that is Refrain (1956) for piano, percussion, celesta) in a new version called 3x Refrain (2000) which replaces the celesta with a sampler keyboard. The performers also make some vocals during the piece. The video also edits together sections from several of other pieces.
Thanks!
This is great!
Stockhausen was an influence on the Beatles. Paul McCartney introduced Stockhausen’s work to the group, turning John Lennon into a fan; Lennon and Yoko Ono even sent the composer a Christmas card in 1969. He appears on the Sgt. Pepper album cover, 5th from the left in the top row, between Lenny Bruce and W.C. Fields.
If this interviewer would of interviewed Mozart his first question would be ‘what’s your favorite color’?
excellent point!
buenisimo, muy inteligente!
exacto, esa es la razón por la cual no da muchas entrevistas aparentemente.
Yes, there indeed is.
His music is not being overrated.
Don't give up at the first difficulty - keep trying and you'll be able to realize the beauty of his works.
Higher art is not always the most accessible.
There was an hour long BBC programme on Stockhausen circa 1997. Does anyone have a clip?
La dominación de la música romántica, ¿cuándo se dejará tranquilo ese tema en la música? Un respiro, es agotador.
2:12 is excellent. Never have so few syllables caused so much fail.
anyone know the name of the song they play in the begining ?
Stockhausen seems to be really shy and introverted in the interview... in my opinion
Karlheinz are you talking Siriusly?
rest in peace!
What song is it in the beginning. I dont know if these are songs but thats all i can think of
Oh.... He thinkgs he's an alien... that explains a lot!
great stuff
Well, the ear is connected with the mind. I think what you mean is that it's possible to experience sound without intellectualizing it, which I think is correct. However I find Stockhausen's music to be both pleasing to the ear and stimulating to the imagination and intellect, and I think that any music can be approached in this way. It's up to the individual whether or not to "like" the way something sounds.
Can brought me here.
Well the major scale has its foundations in the acoustical properties of notes. The major chord can be found in the overtones to a fundamental note. Tonality as it is used to structure music is to some extent artificial because it depends on well-tempered tuning to allow modulation. For whatever reason anyway, we do feel at home in tonality. The ear likes tonality - that's why it's finding its way across the globe and why we allow ourselves to 'get used to it' (if that is the correct phrase).
When a documentary about Stockhausen emphasises his "presence on the cover of Sgt. Peppers" you know it's going to be mediocre
Why?
Because the Beatles were a creation of MI6
Grace What? Why? What?
@@remotefaith Yeah, it's true. Mindblowing.
No, you’ve got it all wrong. Everyone knows the beatles and the mention of him on the cover goes to show how Stockhausen is more accessible than most people think.
it would have been great to know whta his answer would have been for the first question.
It's one thing to push boundaries, it's another to pretend they aren't there
this is a KHS-worthy comment, great, thx
you're absolutely right :)
the subdominant figure is not that present in the overtones. The only way you could say so it's that the overtones go for a dominant chord (of sorts), so actually what we do have is the dominant, an unstable sound - for what are ears are used to.
and what about modality?
Stockhausen esta vivo. Y prometo encontrarle y desmentir su deceso aunque tenca que recorrer la galaxia entera. ZASCA
Yeah, he actually used 4 mics. Some of his earliest pieces used 5 or 4 speakers.
Hard to describe the sound of ice bergs. Like a fluttering distortion. Grinding and fluttering. I love your example of beauty. The Disney crowd will take offense.
I'm so glad AFX corrected the old man about making dance music. KHS wrote seminal works like Zyklus but had no concept of modern electronic music. Apples and oranges.
The first question is like: what is your favorite Minecraft block? So much cringe.
my favorite Minecraft block is the note block
@@maredjurphy Jazz!
Ahahaahh😂😂😂 yes!
The basic fundamental definition of music is sound organized in time... which Stockhausen does very well. Music is sound, but how can sound not be music if organized in a logical manner?
STOCKHAUSEN hat sehr spannende musik geschaffen, die mir gefällt.
What's the name of the opera mentioned?
Truly preposterous interview.
The interviewer is getting on my nerves.
Yes, I agree for the most part. I think it IS important that composers challenge us on an artistic level. I'm not disputing anyone else's right to enjoy this. I personally, however, would prefer to hear organised pitch - and probably organised via tonality. I don't mean that composers ought to be producing cheap pastiche but that music should be pleasing (in some sense) to the ear. It loses its capacity to express the whole gamut of what music through the centuries has been able to express
Maybe they should have had a beer with the conversation, but I don't mind it if some simple questions are asked. I have a favorite sound. Ice bergs.
oh, what a waste of M. Stockhausen's time.
Very remarkable and influential person! It is a shame that he is currently omitted given the feeble number of views of his works on TH-cam.
you do not listen to a Stockhausen piece with a youtube standard streaming quality
Would anyone happen to know the piece at the beginning of the video?
MusicaRicercata refrain
yes, they aren't. it is to each person to decide whether it is or it is not music. I'm saying that it's important to hear composers like stokchausen to open our minds to other elements that otherwise we wouldn't notice or other composers that we wouldn't appreciate because we feel they are way too modern e.g.: messiaen, takemitsu. It's important to hear different kinds of music even if one doesn't like it.
Thank you for posting this. Someone a bit more informed and respectful would have done a better job at interviewing this important figure of modern music, though
I tend to think we are "built" fairly neutral to be honest.
Whilst I agree with the majority of your comment, there is evidence to suggest we are conditioned from an early age to appreciate (to a greater extent) music and tonality of our native culture.
Indian people often cannot understand why we find the 1st - 5th interval pleasing, as they compose in far smaller tonal incriments.
Very interesting stuff!
Does anyone know the name of the interviewer and the date of this interview?
"Computer says NO"
This is a great interview, not sure what the fuss is about in the comments.
It was brilliant the way he terminated that silly interview, it’s as though he was thinking ‘enough of your BS assumptions and ridiculous questions, time to get back to my music making’!
...I'm at a total loss for words
2:16 he went 👁👄👁
just found on e-mule
another one to be uploaded soon ...
What's the name of the piece at the beginning??
MaxiScheiße III
The trio piece is 'Refrain,' from 1959.
@@karlkinono if you're just here to troll in the comments as i've seen you underneath a Lot of modern music Videos, would you maybe just consider leaving the contemporary music community?
im neither math or science or law but a musician and I like him so there
The Emperors's tailors talked the same way about the Emperor's new clothes. Only the untalented wouldn't be able to appreciate them...
yes, I agree. I would rather listen to ravel than to stockhausen. However, music, as history has demonstrated, it's not expressive per se. one prefers tonality because the ear is used to it. Tonality is actually very artificial
No need to apologise. Each to his/her own
well, I'm not saying that he's a 'genius' (I really hate that word) but I think that it's absolutely necessary to push the boundaries of music just to make us appreciate some other elements that otherwise we wouldn't notice.
Er...Percussion only plays a TINY part of his output. More important is his Superformula method of composing, his exploration of vocal harmonics, his experiments in multidirectional sound etc etc.
To diss him merely on the grounds he didn't use a beat box is profoundly silly really.
When the beatbox brigade acheive a third of what KS did (including Octaphonic sound projection) then they may have a point.
Until then......
A
This interviewer is a real tool. How could he live with himself, interrupting a master composer such as Stockhausen?
the most interesting sound you have ever heard?
the sound of NOOOO
While this interviewer has come in for a lot of well-deserved condemnation, I will give him credit for this: he was clever enough to draw Stockhausen out by stating that his music was treated BETTER than that of the Second Viennese School. I'm sure he knew that was not the case, if he'd done any homework at all...
I recommend Polish experimental band TACUARA NOD, available on youtube