I was curious what Yeojin's connection to yyxy might be, since Yves caught a frog plushie in "new" but we don't see much interaction between the two. Plus I feel like both Chuu and Go Won's solo MVs have some similarities to Yeojin's. And recently with the MV for "Star", she was paired with Go Won, which made me even more curious! (I think it could be related to Haseul since both of them have some connection to her.) Either way, I like the idea that Yeojin has some sort of connection with all three subunits similar to Choerry.
i love this analysis so much!! To add on to the theory that Eden gives you a fruit after visiting, i have a theory from almost 2 years ago about ViVi owning her own fruit (of whose visit to Eden, thankfully, you mentioned as well :D) in short, i proposed that the cherry, given to Choerry by JinSoul, was actually passed on by ViVi after their meetup in Hong Kong. Her source would be obvious if we bring up that ViVi was with Yves, who is an Edenist herself.
the strawberries on the table to represent chuu is so adorable!! and this is my first time watching this mv so thank you for pointing and explaining every detail!! this was so good
I've never considered the skyline to represent earth it's so obvious yet I never noticed it! Kinda feels like she's connected to every subunit now. I'm curious where she will be placed in La Maison
I was just thinking about the frog prince being Choerry also! I think it was initially a twinfish theory, but she claimed that the frog was Choerry and she was trying to rescue or enlighten Yeojin (or something like that)
this is REALLY interesting after seeing yeojin get grouped with the eden girls in the eye poster for &, I kept trying to think of any connection of hers to eden/yyxy but nothing came to me
This is a really good theory!! I've never considered that the frog prince might represent Yves, but it's definitely possible. My only concern is that if Yves and Yeojin were friends and Yeojin generally not lost, why would 1/3 send Haseul to the forest of Eden to save Yeojin? One thing I also think you might not've taken into account is the color of the room Princess Yeojin is in. The bedroom is a Bright Pink, Heejin's color, and this is honeslty the crux of my personal Kiss Later theory. For me, Kiss Later is a story of Yeojin dealing with her jealousy towards Heejin, the second in command to God, the one who colored the universe. Yeojin, who's color is a secondary, is significantly lower ranked in God's scheme, no matter what Heejin might want. The Frog Prince, decked out in royal purples and expensive pins in the shape of currency symbols, represents Yeojin's Ego, and thusly her want to be equal to Heejin. For clarity's sake, I see Kiss Later as taking place is OEC's realm, which I call Creation. To explain why, imagine if the Mobius Strip was just a normal loop with two sides. What would those two sides be? Earth, the realm of humanity, and Creation, the realm of angels. But, because those two sides are one side because of the twist in the Strip, there has to be a buffer, otherwise there would be a hard edge between Earth and Creation. You can probably guess that that edge is Eden. The reasons why I think Kiss Later takes place in Creation are simple- firstly, the set of the MV itself. Creation is characterized by a general feeling of "magic", where what we might consider the normal rules of the world might not necessarily apply. In Kiss Later, the general cartoonishness of the MV is obvious, leading to a feeling of whimsy or the MV being a kid's movie of sorts. Secondly, Yeojin's role as the girl of Orange, or should I say Angel of Orange. Yeojin, pure Orange, was created purely from the essence of the universe, and therefore exists in Creation. In her dream, Yeojin wakes up slowly, surrounded by people who care about her and want to be with her. But, in the real world, she wakes up quickly, as if from a nightmare. Her apartment is small, and the table is set for only one person. No matter if she actually is, she feels alone, which makes her pressing jealousy of Heejin all the more apparent. It follows her throughout her day, until finally she confronts it. The confrontation scene is the one at 5:07, in the blackened room, and is the scene I consider to be the climax of the MV. Now, black represents Ego, and Yeojin is confronting her own Ego, so this scene takes place in what I call the Heart, the place where the very essence of the person resides. We can see this because Yeojin is wearing a princess gown that she hadn't worn before in the MV as she is seriously considering accepting her ego. But she doesn't. Why doesn't she accept her ego? Because it would go against God's rules, and therefore cause her to fall from Creation. This scares her, so at the end of that scene she literally runs from her ego. She runs from her ego to the place where she thinks she might be able to get help, Eden Reformatory School, located in the middle of the Forest of Eden. She gets lost in the Forest, which is where she stays until Haseul finds her in Hi High, after the latter is sent there by 1/3 to save her. With Yeojin located and being taken finally to Eden Reformatory School, the girls are all connected, and Heejin can break the loop. (Sidenote, we know she's taken to ERS because of the scene from So What you showed in the video! This is actually where I feel Yves and Yeojin developed a connection. Yves went back to ERS, this time with her ego fully accepted [the ballet room scene] in order to tempt Yeojin as set up by the crane scene in New. This works, Yeojin rejects the mandate of Eden and therefore of God, accepting that her feelings of jealousy and of want aren't bad feelings to have, and is all the more powerful because of it. We see the results of this in Why Not, primarily when Yeojin is able to help Yves get to the recreated Choerry before Jinsoul and Kim Lip can. Also, as a little detail, the gemstones under Yeojin's eyes are a mirror of Heejin's in the fireworks scene! I'm honestly psyched that Yeojin's storyline has went from her being a Damsel in Distress to a person who has complete control over her fate.)
Ah just hit send and im realizing this might feel like I'm trying to dispute what you're saying. Im definitely not!! I really like your analysis of the MV too, and I'm definitely interested in how you interpret the rest of the Loonaverse. I just wanted to offer my own theory to offer another perspective, and maybe bounce ideas back and forth :)
yea ofc i love discussions like this !!! where our opinions differ is i dont really subscribe to the idea of heejin being "god" and creating the loonaverse and the other girls as angels or other celestial beings - my view is that all the girls existed in their own lives separated into earth and eden (kim lip and jinsoul from earth and choerry from eden) vivid is the catalyst that starts bringing them together, starting with odd eye circle. odd eye circle are the first ones to know about the loop and the mobius and the other loona girls, and when they come together they lead the task of uniting them all. yves gains the knowledge spread by vivid when she goes to the forest of eden and chooses loona over god's will (and then the rest of the yyxy story ensues). the way 1/3 gains this knowledge is because yeojin gets lost in eden: something that isnt possible within the limits of earth, which leads them to learning loona as they look for her ! there are some details im not settled on 100% so far, but generally how i think the search for yeojin goes is this: its haseul's intention to look for her first since they are the closest, and in love&live as they run around the track is their attempt to break out of the earth realm (at this point they arent aware of oec world and eden, they just know shes not on earth). the only one who successfully breaks out is vivi: she runs off the track and into oec world (not 100% on this yet, what makes me think this is the field she runs into has similar grass as love cherry motion. im still playing with the idea that you cant travel directly to eden from earth, that youd have to pass through oec world first, but from eden you can go directly to earth). vivi meets yves, and this is where yeojin is returned to 1/3. the scene in hi high with haseul and yeojin just shows they were reunited !! i also split up the timeline in kind of a different way. i see vivid through hi high as the first "section" of the story (w/o going into detail of each unit. i believe that a lot of events in the story happen at the same time or out of order of just 1/3 story, odd eye circle story, then yyxy story separately. i look at the events individually, for example: choerry gives the apple to gowon somewhere during the time that she's fulfilling oec story. i hope that makes sense sorry idk if im describing that very well lol). but then the XX teasers through so what are another "section" and why not, star, and beyond will create another section. each section has its own self contained conflict. i go into this in the first video on my channel if youre interested !! :D i love the idea of the black spaces representing the ego or the heart. that occurs so often in the different mvs and ive wanted to connect them somehow but couldnt. this really clicked for me, especially since olivia hye is the symbol for ego and her representative color is black/grey. i want to explore this idea in my videos to come. if it gets included, ill definitely credit you. if u want something other than ur youtube username like a twitter handle credited just let me know !! my plan is to create videos that outline the entire loonaverse from vivid through hi high with my own theory, but i still have some more research to do and little contradictions to work out !! small details of what ive said here could potentially change too haha. be sure 2 look out for them in the future :)
@@fairypinch9580 oooh i didnt see the other video!! ill definitely check it out. im definitely with you on the whole "the predebut mvs werent chronological" thing, the MVs just wouldn't make sense if, say, new came *after* EDILY, with only vivid being chronological origin and hi high being the chronological end. I'm glad I was able to make some things click!! If you include the Heart Theory, my twitter is @/godsless, i just yell about yeojin (she's my bias, and thats what drew me to this video originally lol). I'll definitely be on the lookout for upcoming videos!!
@@fairypinch9580 In regards to your idea about Heejin, i kind of agree. If we are going on colour theory, it wouldn't make sense. I see her as more of a Sailor Moon type of character in the story - one that interweaves all the characters. Sorry just reading the discussion and I haven't seen anyone else with your opinion on Heejin before and I love it
basically this video was a spoiler of new upcoming things such as JinSoul, GoWon, Olivia, Choerry solos, yyxy and odd eye circle units and throwback to loona 1/3 (locations on the fridge)
im not sure ! heejin, hyunjin, haseul, and vivi also have instances where their name or title isnt their official color. all of their solo mvs also have the moon intro that doesnt match their official color. i have seen people say that the planning for writing the loonaverse wasnt done until vivi's debut, so it couldve been overlooked in the planning stages, but ive only heard that secondhand so idk how true it is. it could be that, or it could be something that is unique to the girls from earth !
@@fairypinch9580 Hmm...I also think the two colour combination and yellow name intro has something specific to do with the girls on Earth. I always thought maybe the moon or background colour told about next girl to be introduced...or mixing them would give their colours or something.
no she's originally from earth but wandered to eden. i have a more in depth theory about how fate + coincidence puts the girls in specific places during the start of the loop (vivid) but i didnt go into it in this video. in short: yeojin wanders to eden from earth because its where shes fated to be at the start of the loop.
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I was curious what Yeojin's connection to yyxy might be, since Yves caught a frog plushie in "new" but we don't see much interaction between the two. Plus I feel like both Chuu and Go Won's solo MVs have some similarities to Yeojin's. And recently with the MV for "Star", she was paired with Go Won, which made me even more curious! (I think it could be related to Haseul since both of them have some connection to her.) Either way, I like the idea that Yeojin has some sort of connection with all three subunits similar to Choerry.
Vivi, Choerry and YeoJin have connections to every unit and it's fascinating
Yeojin is often overlooked when it comes to the loonaverse. I have always been fascinated by her connection with Gowon.
i love this analysis so much!! To add on to the theory that Eden gives you a fruit after visiting, i have a theory from almost 2 years ago about ViVi owning her own fruit (of whose visit to Eden, thankfully, you mentioned as well :D)
in short, i proposed that the cherry, given to Choerry by JinSoul, was actually passed on by ViVi after their meetup in Hong Kong. Her source would be obvious if we bring up that ViVi was with Yves, who is an Edenist herself.
u mentioning yeojin wandering into eden and being assigned orange as her fruit reminds me sm of animal crossing AAAAAA
omg thats so cute 🥺🥺
the strawberries on the table to represent chuu is so adorable!! and this is my first time watching this mv so thank you for pointing and explaining every detail!! this was so good
I've never considered the skyline to represent earth it's so obvious yet I never noticed it! Kinda feels like she's connected to every subunit now. I'm curious where she will be placed in La Maison
La Maison 😩😩😩😩
i always thought the frog prince related to choerry since the prince wears purple, and appears upside down. i never considered yves as a possibility.
I was just thinking about the frog prince being Choerry also! I think it was initially a twinfish theory, but she claimed that the frog was Choerry and she was trying to rescue or enlighten Yeojin (or something like that)
this is REALLY interesting after seeing yeojin get grouped with the eden girls in the eye poster for &, I kept trying to think of any connection of hers to eden/yyxy but nothing came to me
This is a really good theory!! I've never considered that the frog prince might represent Yves, but it's definitely possible. My only concern is that if Yves and Yeojin were friends and Yeojin generally not lost, why would 1/3 send Haseul to the forest of Eden to save Yeojin?
One thing I also think you might not've taken into account is the color of the room Princess Yeojin is in. The bedroom is a Bright Pink, Heejin's color, and this is honeslty the crux of my personal Kiss Later theory. For me, Kiss Later is a story of Yeojin dealing with her jealousy towards Heejin, the second in command to God, the one who colored the universe. Yeojin, who's color is a secondary, is significantly lower ranked in God's scheme, no matter what Heejin might want. The Frog Prince, decked out in royal purples and expensive pins in the shape of currency symbols, represents Yeojin's Ego, and thusly her want to be equal to Heejin.
For clarity's sake, I see Kiss Later as taking place is OEC's realm, which I call Creation. To explain why, imagine if the Mobius Strip was just a normal loop with two sides. What would those two sides be? Earth, the realm of humanity, and Creation, the realm of angels. But, because those two sides are one side because of the twist in the Strip, there has to be a buffer, otherwise there would be a hard edge between Earth and Creation. You can probably guess that that edge is Eden. The reasons why I think Kiss Later takes place in Creation are simple- firstly, the set of the MV itself. Creation is characterized by a general feeling of "magic", where what we might consider the normal rules of the world might not necessarily apply. In Kiss Later, the general cartoonishness of the MV is obvious, leading to a feeling of whimsy or the MV being a kid's movie of sorts. Secondly, Yeojin's role as the girl of Orange, or should I say Angel of Orange. Yeojin, pure Orange, was created purely from the essence of the universe, and therefore exists in Creation.
In her dream, Yeojin wakes up slowly, surrounded by people who care about her and want to be with her. But, in the real world, she wakes up quickly, as if from a nightmare. Her apartment is small, and the table is set for only one person. No matter if she actually is, she feels alone, which makes her pressing jealousy of Heejin all the more apparent. It follows her throughout her day, until finally she confronts it. The confrontation scene is the one at 5:07, in the blackened room, and is the scene I consider to be the climax of the MV. Now, black represents Ego, and Yeojin is confronting her own Ego, so this scene takes place in what I call the Heart, the place where the very essence of the person resides. We can see this because Yeojin is wearing a princess gown that she hadn't worn before in the MV as she is seriously considering accepting her ego. But she doesn't.
Why doesn't she accept her ego? Because it would go against God's rules, and therefore cause her to fall from Creation. This scares her, so at the end of that scene she literally runs from her ego. She runs from her ego to the place where she thinks she might be able to get help, Eden Reformatory School, located in the middle of the Forest of Eden. She gets lost in the Forest, which is where she stays until Haseul finds her in Hi High, after the latter is sent there by 1/3 to save her. With Yeojin located and being taken finally to Eden Reformatory School, the girls are all connected, and Heejin can break the loop.
(Sidenote, we know she's taken to ERS because of the scene from So What you showed in the video! This is actually where I feel Yves and Yeojin developed a connection. Yves went back to ERS, this time with her ego fully accepted [the ballet room scene] in order to tempt Yeojin as set up by the crane scene in New. This works, Yeojin rejects the mandate of Eden and therefore of God, accepting that her feelings of jealousy and of want aren't bad feelings to have, and is all the more powerful because of it. We see the results of this in Why Not, primarily when Yeojin is able to help Yves get to the recreated Choerry before Jinsoul and Kim Lip can. Also, as a little detail, the gemstones under Yeojin's eyes are a mirror of Heejin's in the fireworks scene! I'm honestly psyched that Yeojin's storyline has went from her being a Damsel in Distress to a person who has complete control over her fate.)
Ah just hit send and im realizing this might feel like I'm trying to dispute what you're saying. Im definitely not!! I really like your analysis of the MV too, and I'm definitely interested in how you interpret the rest of the Loonaverse. I just wanted to offer my own theory to offer another perspective, and maybe bounce ideas back and forth :)
yea ofc i love discussions like this !!! where our opinions differ is i dont really subscribe to the idea of heejin being "god" and creating the loonaverse and the other girls as angels or other celestial beings - my view is that all the girls existed in their own lives separated into earth and eden (kim lip and jinsoul from earth and choerry from eden) vivid is the catalyst that starts bringing them together, starting with odd eye circle. odd eye circle are the first ones to know about the loop and the mobius and the other loona girls, and when they come together they lead the task of uniting them all. yves gains the knowledge spread by vivid when she goes to the forest of eden and chooses loona over god's will (and then the rest of the yyxy story ensues). the way 1/3 gains this knowledge is because yeojin gets lost in eden: something that isnt possible within the limits of earth, which leads them to learning loona as they look for her !
there are some details im not settled on 100% so far, but generally how i think the search for yeojin goes is this: its haseul's intention to look for her first since they are the closest, and in love&live as they run around the track is their attempt to break out of the earth realm (at this point they arent aware of oec world and eden, they just know shes not on earth). the only one who successfully breaks out is vivi: she runs off the track and into oec world (not 100% on this yet, what makes me think this is the field she runs into has similar grass as love cherry motion. im still playing with the idea that you cant travel directly to eden from earth, that youd have to pass through oec world first, but from eden you can go directly to earth). vivi meets yves, and this is where yeojin is returned to 1/3. the scene in hi high with haseul and yeojin just shows they were reunited !!
i also split up the timeline in kind of a different way. i see vivid through hi high as the first "section" of the story (w/o going into detail of each unit. i believe that a lot of events in the story happen at the same time or out of order of just 1/3 story, odd eye circle story, then yyxy story separately. i look at the events individually, for example: choerry gives the apple to gowon somewhere during the time that she's fulfilling oec story. i hope that makes sense sorry idk if im describing that very well lol). but then the XX teasers through so what are another "section" and why not, star, and beyond will create another section. each section has its own self contained conflict. i go into this in the first video on my channel if youre interested !! :D
i love the idea of the black spaces representing the ego or the heart. that occurs so often in the different mvs and ive wanted to connect them somehow but couldnt. this really clicked for me, especially since olivia hye is the symbol for ego and her representative color is black/grey. i want to explore this idea in my videos to come. if it gets included, ill definitely credit you. if u want something other than ur youtube username like a twitter handle credited just let me know !!
my plan is to create videos that outline the entire loonaverse from vivid through hi high with my own theory, but i still have some more research to do and little contradictions to work out !! small details of what ive said here could potentially change too haha. be sure 2 look out for them in the future :)
@@fairypinch9580 oooh i didnt see the other video!! ill definitely check it out. im definitely with you on the whole "the predebut mvs werent chronological" thing, the MVs just wouldn't make sense if, say, new came *after* EDILY, with only vivid being chronological origin and hi high being the chronological end.
I'm glad I was able to make some things click!! If you include the Heart Theory, my twitter is @/godsless, i just yell about yeojin (she's my bias, and thats what drew me to this video originally lol). I'll definitely be on the lookout for upcoming videos!!
sick !! thank u so much for ur support i love comments like these 🥺 !!
@@fairypinch9580 In regards to your idea about Heejin, i kind of agree. If we are going on colour theory, it wouldn't make sense. I see her as more of a Sailor Moon type of character in the story - one that interweaves all the characters. Sorry just reading the discussion and I haven't seen anyone else with your opinion on Heejin before and I love it
basically this video was a spoiler of new upcoming things such as JinSoul, GoWon, Olivia, Choerry solos, yyxy and odd eye circle units and throwback to loona 1/3 (locations on the fridge)
These theories are so good!!
almost completely agree but I don't see how the frog prince is Yves. It has more symbolism for choerry instead.
This is so good!!
If yeojin's colour is orange why was her name and title showed in yellow?? Was that a mistake? Or a lore potential..
im not sure ! heejin, hyunjin, haseul, and vivi also have instances where their name or title isnt their official color. all of their solo mvs also have the moon intro that doesnt match their official color. i have seen people say that the planning for writing the loonaverse wasnt done until vivi's debut, so it couldve been overlooked in the planning stages, but ive only heard that secondhand so idk how true it is. it could be that, or it could be something that is unique to the girls from earth !
@@fairypinch9580 Hmm...I also think the two colour combination and yellow name intro has something specific to do with the girls on Earth. I always thought maybe the moon or background colour told about next girl to be introduced...or mixing them would give their colours or something.
honestly i havent looked much into it hehe ... im currently drafting a theory about 1/3 so ill be researching it more !
I just wonder how did Yeojin end up in Eden? Or was even she originally from Eden I am confused.
no she's originally from earth but wandered to eden. i have a more in depth theory about how fate + coincidence puts the girls in specific places during the start of the loop (vivid) but i didnt go into it in this video. in short: yeojin wanders to eden from earth because its where shes fated to be at the start of the loop.