Just wanted to say a big win for me for a video to just start. No clips from half way through the video to "draw people in" you just gave us actual content. Thank you.
That's pretty much how the original fraternities started in Germany. They are still combating each other with Sabers today. Look up "Schlagende Verbindung". Cheers
@@westoneuler4065 exactly when they say stay away from drugs they fkin mean it, there are consequences.. Of course any group with thousands of members will have plenty of people doing things not sanctioned by the bosses, can’t control everyone.
Very few actually understand who mooch really is. I really wish this would’ve been uncut due to mooch being able to speak more freely. This interview was butchered where only the highlights were taken from this. He would’ve never put a 20 minute interview like this one turned out. This has been cut from over 2 hours of raw film. Mooch sincerely cared about his brothers. I was struggling with work and family issues and I came home from work after a 14 hour day. When I opened my garage door he was in my garage picking up take off bike parts and cleaned up my entire garage. He only did this due to him knowing what I was going through, and wanted to help ease my stress. He always helped his brothers any way he could. I didn’t come from the major club, I just helped kick off LTR. Love you mooch, I’ll see you soon.
@@davenock3683 When I lived at that spot all of our guys had access to the garage to come and work on their bikes anytime they wanted. Had bike lifts, and tools to do anything on bikes there. Worked out well.
I've been out riding and had Mongols riders swerve at me numerous times, even when I was courteous and moved to the left of the carpool lane to let them by with room. I don't ride a Harley, and I've had my license for 20 years. I know etiquette, and a lot of these guys down here lack it.
@@johnnywack641 in my college they had to beat up a guy that I knew and smashed a bunch of tail lights overnight in the parking lot. And that was only to join. I hated frats since then
random youtube recommendation thing, and this really has no bearing on anything other than welcome to perception maybe? Just before the release of 1st season of Sons of etc. I was driving west on either Washington or Pico Blvd in Los Angeles, saw several 'bikers' pull up in front of of me flying unfamiliar SOA colors. Curious, knowing the various studios local, looked at the riders. Huh. That looks like [fill in the blank]. They rode to a local Cuban restaurant. Then I saw SOS come out. meh... just sharing forgotten memory till read your post. peace.
@@user-mind-body it wasn’t the show, it was the posers during & after the show buying Harley’s, blacking them out, getting tats, dressing in black, wearing leather vests & using sneakers. Cringe & embarrassing.
I met Chago at Impact in Pasadena, super cool dude. Impact was a refuge for members to get there stuff together before they went in front of a judge. I remeber hanging with some of those dudes late night and was amazed at how they had each others backs no matter what and not one member was afraid to call someone out if they needed help getting right. I thought there was a brotherhood in that process that I really liked.
I've ridden with the Virginia Mongols chapter unintentionally for a few minutes while on a casual ride by myself but they didn't seem to appreciate me being on my Honda cbr300r😂
Yes and no retired members keep their tats but once they slapped an out bad that’s a mandatory cover up plus I mean it makes sense why keep it if you’re not apart of it anymore.
@@bikersoncall m night shyamalan, a director. He’s famous for his shocking plot twists … all his movies try to do it ( with varying degrees of success)
Outlaws follow their own laws, not the govt, thats the difference, most gangs have rules, the Mafia, Aryan Brotherhood, Cartels , etc. Gangs act as a Street Govt. They control the environment with force
Yeah, cause it's clearly th same following rules you agree with vs being forced to follow 745,000 different laws forced upon you at birth. Y'all are fuckin stupid lol We get it, you post selfies every four years with you "I voted" sticker
I work at a casino and the Mongols come up about two or three times a year. They've always minded their business; no excessive drunkenness, outbursts, disputes. Some coworkers feel uneasy, but I've never seen trouble with them. Just guys looking to enjoy their time there.
It’s not just a human trait animals do it too. Apes, ant colonies, wolf packs, lions, goats, giraffes, sea lions…. We all have the behavior to rival others to become dominate. Its how we were able to survive for thousands of years by pro creating with the strongest genes bud. You even rival other males just to grab the females attention you can’t escape it
@@chetgray5697 I say it to them at lights then peel out. Hells Angels can slob my knob. What are they going to do? Harley’s weigh 3 tons and have a top speed of 40.
@chetgray5697 So cliche... "You wouldn't say that to my face". You're absolutely right. We would be working general labor & factory jobs right along side you if we did. Come at my wife or kids and I'll do more than say a few words though, tough guy. Let's reverse the roles...
@@chetgray5697 The threat of a man resorting to violence any time you say something he man doesn't like speaks to his character. We won't say it to their faces because their psyches are fragile and prone to taking offense and prone to reacting violently.
Con artists use the tools of trust and vulnerability of others to turn deception into an underhanded art form. The term con is short for confidence, reflecting how cons win over and exploit their victims' trust.
I once interacted with a group of Mongols on my wedding day. My groomsmen took me to a restaurant close to the venue before the ceremony so that I wouldn’t see my bride before then and we we got a table that just happened to be next to a group of Mongols (and their “old ladies”). Since we were all in our nice suits, we certainly stuck out as much as they did and thus caught their attention. So we ended up chatting with them for a bit and they were actually very nice, much to my surprise and relief. I doubt anyone like that could ever be a part of my social groups, but maybe it was a good omen that we ran into each other for I ended up having one of the best days of my life. I only hope those folks are doing okay despite the lifestyle they chose.
I know what you mean. I know a lot of Bandidos and just about everyone I met was super cool. They may have treated me better because I grew up with the #2's son and he was my soccer coach. Most of them are just normal dudes. But they have a 10% just like the rest of the planet that screw it up for everyone.
Glad it was a nice interaction and just goes to show that if you treat people with the same respect you'd want, you'll get it usually in return. Congrats on marriage!
One thing about the Hells Angels beef with the Mongols. I've heard the bottom rocker story for years but a few years ago I saw a docu series with George Christie. He said that a formal Angel ratted on club members or got some one killed. But basically that guy ran away and joined the Mongols. At the time the Mongols accepted anyone that can ride. When they saw him at an event the traitor hid with the Mongols and a war began. From the way that Mongols still take anyone fairly easily, it's a plausible scenario.
Mongol's spread began in 1976 when some members of Long Beach moved to, and started a chapter in, Tulsa Oklahoma. I know for fact as my husband and I were one of the four couples who made that move.
7:10 Just a side note that Skinheads were originally, not racist. Then the racist came, and the Skinheads now had to specifically be against racism or say they werent racist in order to fight that. I was from the punk scene and some acquaintances ended up in biker gangs as well.
I remember someone suggesting that gang kids weren't able to follow rules so they shouldn't be expected to..... A local youth counselor burst out laughing. She said, "The first thing that happens when you want to join a gang is they tell you all their rules. And why you'd better follow them." Marginalized people, but also dysfunctional people are attracted to outsider lifestyles, but if you want to join a group like a biker gang, you have to be willing to accept their structure, expectations, and follow the rules. Of course, at some level there is chaos, but usually controlled chaos. A student one time threatened that her father, a gang member, was going to kick my butt at Back To School Night. Latino society is generally more polite than Norte Americano society so it's always best to act respectfully. It's a good lesson anywhere. He came into my room, I was respectful, he was respectful. And my student, his daughter? She absolutely beamed with pride. Another time he came in with his arm in a sling. He'd been shot. I hope she's doing well.
People are people, and the process to get into a club weeds out weak people. So your surprise would turn to shock if you were to mingle with patched members of clubs. Degree holders, professionals ect. I know a guy that’s all about cosmology and physics…. He has a patch and works at a university.
i love these videos and honestly this guy seems nice and helpful but it's really hard to believe that he only ever tried to stop fights and wasn't fully aware of the drug trafficking lol
@4OHz expected they weren't selling drugs. They were selling fake drugs. The guys who went to help what they believed to be a drug deal didn't have to go but choose to. They choose to paracipte in what they thought was going to be an illegal activity. They don't deserve anyone's sympathy.
LOL, says the motto is "respect few, fear none", then at around 2:15 says there was fear and anxiety from being at war with the hells angels and mexican mafia.
I remember when I was in Montebello elementary school in 1970, I saw a handful of Mongols hanging out at a school friend's house. Then a few months later that handful grew to dozens then dozens more. I was afraid to walk down Greenwood Avenue when they were there. I thought they were the Hells Angele's but later learned they were the Mongols.
Was in the upstate NY chapter. Came in around the same time as Mooch and his twin Brother. We went to visit with the few guys trying to get baltimore up and running. JD and Gringo. Both of whom turned out to be atf. Well anyway, they found out my Chapter president had a well sized bike trailer and when i tell you they jut would not stop trying to convince us to transport stolen bikes. Like every day they just kept trying to wear us down and get into the stolen bike game. None of us however were committing crimes like that. We all worked legit jobs, paid taxes, had families, etc. Finally we broke of contact with those guys down there. Eventually they moved to virginia and started a Mongols chapter there. And when they couldn't get crimes going or bust anyone they dropped out and moved on to the Outlaws MC as a Prospective chapter. We ran into them again at the waterbury Outlaws clubhouse during a funeral for Johnny 1%er. JD, Gringo were both atf. Charlie Falco was a snitch/informant. Their entire chapter was fugazi. They put some good guys in jail for crap they not only dreamed up and instigated, but literally pushed on those guys. One of the guys eventually told me he gave in simply to get them to shut the f**k up and leave him be. THAT is how persistent they were. Anyway, Love & Respect Mooch. ~Bandit from NYC/Long Island
It was really interesting to hear a bit more about the time period when Justin was involved in clubs. There are lots of old documentaries but they drop off at a point and are a bit dated and cheesy as well hahah! Seems like a nice dude, I’ll check out his book! Really enjoy the how crime works series. I’m studying cyber security just now so if you were interested in making a how cybercrime works episode that’d be awesome!
The series are totally fascinating really enjoying them and this guy sounds an absolute character really really good. Please keep them coming. Really enjoyed this one really nice bloke. 23:12
this guy was highly educated, you could hear it in his vernacular. Not sure why he didnt take his life in a different direction. Obviously he is a social worker. but was he a social worker then too? or only after he left the life?
“I didn’t want him to join. He had a lot going for himself.” You’re describing someone who doesn’t the other person to join a gang. So basically these are all gangs. Every incident, behavior, rules, all fall in line with gang culture.
That’s the second time I’ve heard someone misuse the word militant to describe a structured way of conduct or having to do with the armed forces. It means “favouring confrontational or violent methods in support of a political or social cause.”
well to be fair being brave isnt about not being scared, but getting over that fear and moving forward, so everyone still feels these things but i doubt he would have said anything like that back when he was around the club.
There are many things to cause anxiety that may be greater than opponents. Fear or anxiety of things going wrong, losing someone close to you, being put in a compromising position, letting your mates down, messing up. You could call it 'work stress' and quite often you're not fully aware of how much you carry, until you lay it down.
I've watched a ton of these types of these interviews... Ex bikers. Though some show a tinge of regret, most are proud of their old life. This guy came in as a positive reformer from day one. Quite impressive
A lot of them aren’t in WitPro, a lot of them just left that life without having problems, some of them have died because of it, but that happened a lot years ago, nowadays, atleast in the US it’s different, for example with MC’s, a lot of the time they just operate under a ‘no contact’ law for people that left
In this case he’s not really saying anything that might hurt the club or giving any information about the club that isn’t already out there, so I don’t think he’s taking that big a risk.
Clubs demand respect. 1973, I’m 16 yrs old. Taking my new Honda 500/4 from Chicago to Alpina Mi. to visit my Uncle at his military base. Going fast like I always did. I Came up upon a group of Hells Angles. I was passing on the left, a few members reached out as if to grab me. I knew I had made a mistake. I think the members recognized I was just a kid with a fast bike. They waved me by. I didn’t go slower than 120 for an hour, got off the freeway and took local roads for the rest of the day.
Why didn't you ask him to expound on excluding African Americans? Seems odd to just skip over that as if the interviewer found it reasonable or something.
I'm no expert but I've seen other interviews and histories of Hell's Angels etc with the actual reason for 1% patch which is not exactly what he says here. It can easily be checked. The American Motorcycle Association stated: “99% of the motorcycling public are law-abiding; there are 1% who are not.” So as a response, they started wearing a patch to indicate they were that 1%. So it wasn't about following the rules of the association it was a sort of joke response to the motorcycle association saying 99% of bikers are decent law-abiding citizens.
Nothing illegal. Except all these situations that involve guns, ammunition, people get murdered, rival clubs (rival over what btw if nothing illegal was happening). So many questions lol
Wasn’t there a gang land episode on the Mongols? The interview is playing it down or this dude is playing it down but there are a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle
I can’t believe there are grown adults signing up to make their lives even more difficult and stressful than our country already makes it. It’s so crazy to me.
They want a fulfilling, non-boring, hectic, violent life. They don't work a standard 9-5 in a cubivle and come home and watch the news. It's about the brotherhood, discipline and camaraderie.
@@HgRoller and maybe that's the disconnect. I don't see how living a violent life promotes brotherhood, discipline and camaraderie unless you mentally have something going on. Fortunately for me my 9-5 grants me access to all the finer things in life, less stress, access to incredible experiences, and I wake up not having to look over my shoulder when I riding my motorcycle. If you call that boring and unfulfilling then we are just living in two different realities. I'm praying for my brothers that they find peace within.
@@50PullUps I think what he's saying is these biker gangs are people who don't wanna grow up(like peterpan) and their motorcycles are just farting bicycles
No bro you didn't join for the love of motorcycles you joined a gang...there were plenty legal clubs for you to join the original Mongols angels and such started as guys who loved bikes you knowingly joined a gang quit talking to us like were stupid
These videos are awesome! Please keep making them! For the ones with foreign language speakers, has your team considered dubbing over the audio? At least into English? There was at least one that I didn’t watch because it was subbed and I couldn’t focus on it and my work at the same time. You could even upload both the sub and dub version to honor the voice of the original speaker, while giving accessibility options to viewers. Thanks for all the hard work!
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“I ain’t living by any rules, man!”
Proceeds to create all sorts of rules to live by
😂😂😂😂
They live by their own rules, not society’s rules. It’s pretty self explanatory.
@@keithlukeswanson9345 😂 mom mom I swear it's different.
@@keithlukeswanson9345rules are still rules
It’s a petty distinction to try and make them feel like they are rebels
they live by their rules, not government rules. one they choose the other they a forced to follow
Just wanted to say a big win for me for a video to just start. No clips from half way through the video to "draw people in" you just gave us actual content. Thank you.
Or a minute of royalty free music over 90's tier graphic design
Please don't give them credit for nothing, I'm pretty sure this interview was longer than that and they censored a lot of stuff.
These episodes are fantastic. Keep up the great work.
I love this program. They do a really good job with it
I’m interviewing Ex Finks(now known as Mongols) from Australia soon
Why are biker gangs so corporate? I was waiting to hear: “He hit on my old lady so I reported him to regional HR”
Bro lay off the sons of anarchy. A lot of clubs are just normal guys who like to ride bikes.
@@julianboyd8719 well duh but we are watching a video about " one percenters"...
@@emillyyelen5169 what's the issue then? That this guy is respectful and well spoken? Or that he's not on here snitching on himself and his old club?
@@julianboyd8719 OP comment was a joke ffs
1% biker gangs are gangs. Not every member is involved, but there is without a doubt, drugs distribution, prostitution, gun running etc
This and the Hell’s Angels one just reminds me of that South Park episode with the bikers 😂
Brbrbrbrbrrbbrrbrbb
F words lol.
"The only people who feel the need to dress up and make as much noise as possible are sixteen year old girls and you guys." Eric Cartman
“How could they call us that? I mean just listen to this!”
*BRAMMMM BRMMM*
“Buh buh buh buh”
Same comment on every motorcycle post.
So, it's a fraternity where one of the activities is killing members of other fraternities.
That's pretty much how the original fraternities started in Germany. They are still combating each other with Sabers today. Look up "Schlagende Verbindung".
Cheers
And ride slow, loud motorcycles for some reason 🤷♂️
Nothing else beats that bonding experience 😂
Welcome to the Skulls
Bikers do alot of good. These videos are out to justify jailing bikers so others can traffic
Imagine being an adult man and fighting with other adults about patches on a piece of clothing. LOL
if you think the fight is literally about a patch then i don’t know where to start…
Wouldn’t say it to their face lmao
@@feralmode still really pathetic for a grown man to do
Exactly. Or for going to the wrong part of town. Childish
No difference when it comes with fight for a flag
Pay your chapter dues, come to the meetings, follow the dress code, don't do or sell drugs... Motorcycle gangs sound exactly like an HOA
you know that's all bull, it's for publicity, behind the scenes there are all types of mischief going on
There’s tons of drug sales going on, dude is just smart enough not to put their business out there like that
@@wb3213no, the rules are real, people die over them. Look up Shedden.
@@westoneuler4065 exactly when they say stay away from drugs they fkin mean it, there are consequences..
Of course any group with thousands of members will have plenty of people doing things not sanctioned by the bosses, can’t control everyone.
@@wb3213yup
Very few actually understand who mooch really is. I really wish this would’ve been uncut due to mooch being able to speak more freely. This interview was butchered where only the highlights were taken from this. He would’ve never put a 20 minute interview like this one turned out. This has been cut from over 2 hours of raw film. Mooch sincerely cared about his brothers. I was struggling with work and family issues and I came home from work after a 14 hour day. When I opened my garage door he was in my garage picking up take off bike parts and cleaned up my entire garage. He only did this due to him knowing what I was going through, and wanted to help ease my stress. He always helped his brothers any way he could. I didn’t come from the major club, I just helped kick off LTR. Love you mooch, I’ll see you soon.
so you were also a 1% ?
I thought common respect (and I would figure club rules even more so) dictated u never enter another man's home when he is not there to invite u in
You and mooch are sissy boiz
The leather and chains is making more and more sense. How long have you two been reenacting broke back mountain?
@@davenock3683 When I lived at that spot all of our guys had access to the garage to come and work on their bikes anytime they wanted. Had bike lifts, and tools to do anything on bikes there. Worked out well.
I've been out riding and had Mongols riders swerve at me numerous times, even when I was courteous and moved to the left of the carpool lane to let them by with room. I don't ride a Harley, and I've had my license for 20 years. I know etiquette, and a lot of these guys down here lack it.
For awhile they recruited Nortenos to get membership up so I wouldn’t be surprised if they still 100% goon in SoCal .
They're Mongoloids Forever Forever Mongoloids... They have zero respect....all outlaw MC's are the same...
@@keithlukeswanson9345 lots of surenos in SoCal joined mongols
@@keithlukeswanson9345lmao wrong. They’re a SoCal motorcycle club how would they recruit gang members from up north
@@McKeeNJacksonthey probably don’t care about norteños vs sureños. just want numbers and $
It's like hearing about a large group of 12 year old boys who never grow up. Fascinating.
So what do you call fraternity’s that still hang out and do group events years after they left school
It started from WW2 vets returning home from war and wanting a brotherhood that they had serving the country
You call them for fraternities you clown fraternities don’t go around killing each other because some guy threw up Alpha Omega on his block
Ww2 was a long time ago pal 😂😂
@@johnnywack641 in my college they had to beat up a guy that I knew and smashed a bunch of tail lights overnight in the parking lot. And that was only to join. I hated frats since then
I was obsessed with motorcycle clubs when I was 17-18, then sons of anarchy came out & it all became a joke to me. I ride solo & always will.
Lone Wolf, No Pack.
random youtube recommendation thing, and this really has no bearing on anything other than welcome to perception maybe?
Just before the release of 1st season of Sons of etc. I was driving west on either Washington or Pico Blvd in Los Angeles, saw several 'bikers' pull up in front of of me flying unfamiliar SOA colors. Curious, knowing the various studios local, looked at the riders. Huh. That looks like [fill in the blank]. They rode to a local Cuban restaurant. Then I saw SOS come out. meh... just sharing forgotten memory till read your post. peace.
Yeah because TV and movies are real
@@user-mind-body it wasn’t the show, it was the posers during & after the show buying Harley’s, blacking them out, getting tats, dressing in black, wearing leather vests & using sneakers. Cringe & embarrassing.
I met Chago at Impact in Pasadena, super cool dude. Impact was a refuge for members to get there stuff together before they went in front of a judge. I remeber hanging with some of those dudes late night and was amazed at how they had each others backs no matter what and not one member was afraid to call someone out if they needed help getting right. I thought there was a brotherhood in that process that I really liked.
It's lost now
Imagine actually being Mongolian and then meeting these guys
I thought they were called the Mongrels but he says it's Mongols.
@@terry_willisthere is a group in NZ called the Mongrels
@lucaseric8679 Mongrel Mob (I'm from Aotearoa btw)
they have a Mongolian chapter
@@spaea2062Yoza ✊🏿 City of Sails baby
I watched the hells angels video a while back, and it was really entertaining. Glad the series is continued!
I've ridden with the Virginia Mongols chapter unintentionally for a few minutes while on a casual ride by myself but they didn't seem to appreciate me being on my Honda cbr300r😂
😂
Getting the "Out bad" status really proves his point about how fucked up the Mongol power struggle is...
Bruh knew he had to cover his Mongol head tat he didn't have a choice
Yes and no retired members keep their tats but once they slapped an out bad that’s a mandatory cover up plus I mean it makes sense why keep it if you’re not apart of it anymore.
"as a social worker" M.Nighted the narrative real quick for me
''M.Nighted''?
@@bikersoncall m night shyamalan, a director. He’s famous for his shocking plot twists … all his movies try to do it ( with varying degrees of success)
Imagine calling yourself an “outlaw” and having to follow more rules then the European Union
😂
"You get a bunch of guys together who can't follow any rules... and all of a sudden they start making rules"
Outlaws follow their own laws, not the govt, thats the difference, most gangs have rules, the Mafia, Aryan Brotherhood, Cartels , etc. Gangs act as a Street Govt. They control the environment with force
Yeah, cause it's clearly th same following rules you agree with vs being forced to follow 745,000 different laws forced upon you at birth.
Y'all are fuckin stupid lol We get it, you post selfies every four years with you "I voted" sticker
I chuckled at the end where it said they weren't able to reach Doc for comment. He's the guy in the witness protection. program.
I work at a casino and the Mongols come up about two or three times a year. They've always minded their business; no excessive drunkenness, outbursts, disputes. Some coworkers feel uneasy, but I've never seen trouble with them. Just guys looking to enjoy their time there.
Wish you guys wouldve asked why they dont allow other bikers to pass when none of us want to be a part of their little games
Humans will do anything to group together and find reasons to kill each-other.
We are interesting animals.
More like disgusting animals we are
Which is why I find patriotism and nationalism weird.
It’s not just a human trait animals do it too. Apes, ant colonies, wolf packs, lions, goats, giraffes, sea lions…. We all have the behavior to rival others to become dominate. Its how we were able to survive for thousands of years by pro creating with the strongest genes bud. You even rival other males just to grab the females attention you can’t escape it
@@jvanek8512 I find religious extremism the weirdest personally.
@@jvanek8512 Do you even know what those words mean?
Basically 12 year old boys who never grew up and play childhood games.
Things you'd never say to even one of their faces 😂
@@chetgray5697 frrrr lmaooo
@@chetgray5697 I say it to them at lights then peel out. Hells Angels can slob my knob. What are they going to do? Harley’s weigh 3 tons and have a top speed of 40.
@chetgray5697 So cliche... "You wouldn't say that to my face". You're absolutely right. We would be working general labor & factory jobs right along side you if we did. Come at my wife or kids and I'll do more than say a few words though, tough guy. Let's reverse the roles...
@@chetgray5697 The threat of a man resorting to violence any time you say something he man doesn't like speaks to his character. We won't say it to their faces because their psyches are fragile and prone to taking offense and prone to reacting violently.
Mongols: the one MC where you don't need to actually own or know how to ride a motorcycle to join.
That was during Cavazos days.
Hasn’t been that way in 25 years. Quit watching gangland and go speak to an actual Mongol.
@@davidc3943obviously the guy is uneducated
Lmao half the guys i know either dont have a running bike or have had a bike for a year or less🤣
This isn't true. I have Mongol friends. What you are talking about is during war time. Some rules were laxed. That's all.
MOOCH !!! Is a great guy and has helped so many others in his line of work with mental health , relationships, and addiction 🙌 Right on Justin
He does not seem like a "bad influence" at all.
Con artists use the tools of trust and vulnerability of others to turn deception into an underhanded art form. The term con is short for confidence, reflecting how cons win over and exploit their victims' trust.
Mooch is so kind! People in the comments are so negative! He’d literally give you the shirt off his back. This isn’t Sons of Anarchy.
@@starjacques4926 agreed 💯 percent
@@STAYHUMBLE302 helping his brothers get off meth while being the president of a club is such a righteous act.
I once interacted with a group of Mongols on my wedding day. My groomsmen took me to a restaurant close to the venue before the ceremony so that I wouldn’t see my bride before then and we we got a table that just happened to be next to a group of Mongols (and their “old ladies”). Since we were all in our nice suits, we certainly stuck out as much as they did and thus caught their attention. So we ended up chatting with them for a bit and they were actually very nice, much to my surprise and relief. I doubt anyone like that could ever be a part of my social groups, but maybe it was a good omen that we ran into each other for I ended up having one of the best days of my life. I only hope those folks are doing okay despite the lifestyle they chose.
I know what you mean. I know a lot of Bandidos and just about everyone I met was super cool. They may have treated me better because I grew up with the #2's son and he was my soccer coach. Most of them are just normal dudes. But they have a 10% just like the rest of the planet that screw it up for everyone.
Respect goes a long way, and
in both directions. ☑
Glad it was a nice interaction and just goes to show that if you treat people with the same respect you'd want, you'll get it usually in return. Congrats on marriage!
One thing about the Hells Angels beef with the Mongols. I've heard the bottom rocker story for years but a few years ago I saw a docu series with George Christie. He said that a formal Angel ratted on club members or got some one killed. But basically that guy ran away and joined the Mongols. At the time the Mongols accepted anyone that can ride. When they saw him at an event the traitor hid with the Mongols and a war began. From the way that Mongols still take anyone fairly easily, it's a plausible scenario.
I can watch these biker ones all day long. You can get other former biker members who’ve since left.
We get 1 life and its craaaazy how humans choose to live that 1 life . No go backs
fk yeah man, imagine this being your choice, unreal
Very well put together episode new to this channel, this was the first episode I seen. Liked,commented and subscribed. Informative and entertaining 👌🏽
I didn’t know bikers could hop from club to club like this dude.
My guess is because Vagos and Mongols are allies if I remember correctly
Mongol's spread began in 1976 when some members of Long Beach moved to, and started a chapter in, Tulsa Oklahoma. I know for fact as my husband and I were one of the four couples who made that move.
Fantastic!
lol a social worker biker gang member. That’s classic
a poser
I wonder if any are librarians.
I would assume he's no longer in the biker gang, and those experiences from his past make him a better social worker
Motorcycle clubs are so cute. They all dress alike and go ride bikes and get into adventures.
That's cute, would you say that in their face?
Yup
Yeah, I would, bunch of closeted boy lovers.
@@Belikewater1 is this like the litmus test for whether someone is cute or not?
Always watching from Georgetown Guyana south America 🇬🇾🇬🇾
Don't drink the Kool-aid there
7:10 Just a side note that Skinheads were originally, not racist. Then the racist came, and the Skinheads now had to specifically be against racism or say they werent racist in order to fight that. I was from the punk scene and some acquaintances ended up in biker gangs as well.
He's very calm and well spoken for being in a outlaw motorcycle gang, I'm surprised.
He said that he's a social worker.
He comes from a good family and is a smart dude. Lots of fringe personalities are far more intelligent than you’d think.
I remember someone suggesting that gang kids weren't able to follow rules so they shouldn't be expected to..... A local youth counselor burst out laughing. She said, "The first thing that happens when you want to join a gang is they tell you all their rules. And why you'd better follow them."
Marginalized people, but also dysfunctional people are attracted to outsider lifestyles, but if you want to join a group like a biker gang, you have to be willing to accept their structure, expectations, and follow the rules. Of course, at some level there is chaos, but usually controlled chaos.
A student one time threatened that her father, a gang member, was going to kick my butt at Back To School Night. Latino society is generally more polite than Norte Americano society so it's always best to act respectfully. It's a good lesson anywhere. He came into my room, I was respectful, he was respectful. And my student, his daughter? She absolutely beamed with pride. Another time he came in with his arm in a sling. He'd been shot. I hope she's doing well.
He has a phd in psychology
People are people, and the process to get into a club weeds out weak people. So your surprise would turn to shock if you were to mingle with patched members of clubs. Degree holders, professionals ect. I know a guy that’s all about cosmology and physics…. He has a patch and works at a university.
I heard prospects need to complete atleast 3 plates at a all u can eat Mongolian bbq spot before they become a official member aswell
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
i love these videos and honestly this guy seems nice and helpful but it's really hard to believe that he only ever tried to stop fights and wasn't fully aware of the drug trafficking lol
>So I called my wife, told her to pack me a bag, and I started heading towards the Ozarks
Isnt that how the show started? 😆
The biggest controversy came when they pushed to include unicycles.
11:46 Sounds like entrapment to me or a lame attempt. ATF selling to DEA- where’s the illegality?
That's not what entrapment is.
@@WholeSomeHomie Yeah, I know more like keystone cops - what were they trying to accomplish?
@4OHz expected they weren't selling drugs. They were selling fake drugs. The guys who went to help what they believed to be a drug deal didn't have to go but choose to. They choose to paracipte in what they thought was going to be an illegal activity. They don't deserve anyone's sympathy.
@@Bigmojojo ahh, got it- I just wasn’t listening well enough
He forgot to mention that Blane was the one that pulled a gun first. He was a real “tough guy”
Always hear the no meth rule, yet its there
They use meth to fuel their gay sex parties
Imagine if this guy is your social worker
A slightly different path in life and this guy would have be the CEO of a corporation. Intelligent and really well spoken.
geez you people are easy. "Oh, he speaks well, he must be a good guy, and competent at everything"...LOL, sure, Jan.
LOL, says the motto is "respect few, fear none", then at around 2:15 says there was fear and anxiety from being at war with the hells angels and mexican mafia.
This is just an indicator on how gullible people are.
I remember when I was in Montebello elementary school in 1970, I saw a handful of Mongols hanging out at a school friend's house. Then a few months later that handful grew to dozens then dozens more. I was afraid to walk down Greenwood Avenue when they were there. I thought they were the Hells Angele's but later learned they were the Mongols.
Watching this as a Mongolian is wild lmao
So was it you that "Broke Down My Shitty Wall"
Was in the upstate NY chapter. Came in around the same time as Mooch and his twin Brother. We went to visit with the few guys trying to get baltimore up and running. JD and Gringo. Both of whom turned out to be atf. Well anyway, they found out my Chapter president had a well sized bike trailer and when i tell you they jut would not stop trying to convince us to transport stolen bikes. Like every day they just kept trying to wear us down and get into the stolen bike game. None of us however were committing crimes like that. We all worked legit jobs, paid taxes, had families, etc. Finally we broke of contact with those guys down there. Eventually they moved to virginia and started a Mongols chapter there. And when they couldn't get crimes going or bust anyone they dropped out and moved on to the Outlaws MC as a Prospective chapter. We ran into them again at the waterbury Outlaws clubhouse during a funeral for Johnny 1%er. JD, Gringo were both atf. Charlie Falco was a snitch/informant. Their entire chapter was fugazi. They put some good guys in jail for crap they not only dreamed up and instigated, but literally pushed on those guys. One of the guys eventually told me he gave in simply to get them to shut the f**k up and leave him be. THAT is how persistent they were. Anyway, Love & Respect Mooch. ~Bandit from NYC/Long Island
When are they switching to e-bikes?
It was really interesting to hear a bit more about the time period when Justin was involved in clubs. There are lots of old documentaries but they drop off at a point and are a bit dated and cheesy as well hahah! Seems like a nice dude, I’ll check out his book!
Really enjoy the how crime works series. I’m studying cyber security just now so if you were interested in making a how cybercrime works episode that’d be awesome!
i have an ebike i love riding around my city, no club no gang just me happy me
If you get a American made Harley EBike you could join almost all of the 1% clubs.
Lame
@@Cowboy_kiddyeah, you are
I’m currently riding a 40 year old 250cc dirtbike. If an MC decided to mess with me, at least it’s not the dam cops
Smart
The series are totally fascinating really enjoying them and this guy sounds an absolute character really really good. Please keep them coming. Really enjoyed this one really nice bloke. 23:12
We aren't into crime anymore except the entire Tennessee chapter was indicted like 2 years ago
this guy was highly educated, you could hear it in his vernacular. Not sure why he didnt take his life in a different direction. Obviously he is a social worker. but was he a social worker then too? or only after he left the life?
“I didn’t want him to join. He had a lot going for himself.” You’re describing someone who doesn’t the other person to join a gang. So basically these are all gangs. Every incident, behavior, rules, all fall in line with gang culture.
That’s the second time I’ve heard someone misuse the word militant to describe a structured way of conduct or having to do with the armed forces.
It means “favouring confrontational or violent methods in support of a political or social cause.”
Crazy this guy went to the same high school as me and graduated with one of my siblings. Awesome video!
“Members are not allowed to use meth”
Man.. what a great rule
They all feel like dorks to me. Goofy kids playing "let's make a clubhouse". I don't know how any of these people act proud.
Theres ALOT of things you dont know.
They are dorks. With small dinguses.
Told my story in a comment here about my life as a son of a Outlaws member and this channel took it down. I guess truth isn't wanted here.
“Respect few, fear none”
Then goes on to speak about the fear and anxiety when joining the “gang” 😂😂😂😂
and using the "offensive term" Old Lady
well to be fair being brave isnt about not being scared, but getting over that fear and moving forward, so everyone still feels these things but i doubt he would have said anything like that back when he was around the club.
@@DirtyMikeReturnToMonke I respect ur opinion however, we can only take what he said as face value. He never said anything of bravery.
@@jvanek8512
Neither old lady nor old man
need be offensive to anyone, and
in many circles and regions they aren't,
and never have been.
There are many things to cause anxiety that may be greater than opponents. Fear or anxiety of things going wrong, losing someone close to you, being put in a compromising position, letting your mates down, messing up. You could call it 'work stress' and quite often you're not fully aware of how much you carry, until you lay it down.
I've watched a ton of these types of these interviews... Ex bikers. Though some show a tinge of regret, most are proud of their old life.
This guy came in as a positive reformer from day one. Quite impressive
Why aren't these guys afraid for their lives to speak out against/exposing these criminal organizations? Are they truly safe in witness protection?
Great point
Yes
A lot of them aren’t in WitPro, a lot of them just left that life without having problems, some of them have died because of it, but that happened a lot years ago, nowadays, atleast in the US it’s different, for example with MC’s, a lot of the time they just operate under a ‘no contact’ law for people that left
@Roguchii Absolutely not. Depends who the p off the most.
In this case he’s not really saying anything that might hurt the club or giving any information about the club that isn’t already out there, so I don’t think he’s taking that big a risk.
Clubs demand respect. 1973, I’m 16 yrs old. Taking my new Honda 500/4 from Chicago to Alpina Mi. to visit my Uncle at his military base. Going fast like I always did. I Came up upon a group of Hells Angles. I was passing on the left, a few members reached out as if to grab me. I knew I had made a mistake. I think the members recognized I was just a kid with a fast bike. They waved me by. I didn’t go slower than 120 for an hour, got off the freeway and took local roads for the rest of the day.
Being a Mongolian and watching this ….
South Park explained all this
Why didn't you ask him to expound on excluding African Americans? Seems odd to just skip over that as if the interviewer found it reasonable or something.
I'm no expert but I've seen other interviews and histories of Hell's Angels etc with the actual reason for 1% patch which is not exactly what he says here. It can easily be checked. The American Motorcycle Association stated: “99% of the motorcycling public are law-abiding; there are 1% who are not.” So as a response, they started wearing a patch to indicate they were that 1%. So it wasn't about following the rules of the association it was a sort of joke response to the motorcycle association saying 99% of bikers are decent law-abiding citizens.
and they are a joke.
Mooch!!!!!
Hes a pretty level headed leader.
Well actualy most leaders ahould be level headed, secure and overall solid.
They all snitching on each other 😂
we dont want to be seen as gangs but for the love of motorcycles, proceeds to say things that gangs do
Nothing illegal. Except all these situations that involve guns, ammunition, people get murdered, rival clubs (rival over what btw if nothing illegal was happening). So many questions lol
Isnt telling club business to non club members a form of an informant?
Yeah that's why he talks so well spoken, clearly some kind of fed
He admitted no crimes except shooting at Hell's Angels
Thanks for sharing, much appreciated. New sub. A+
This guy change his name to Ratatouille
bro makes his whole gang look weed with that voice lmfaooooo
Just out here, dry snitching on internal club information
Wasn’t there a gang land episode on the Mongols? The interview is playing it down or this dude is playing it down but there are a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle
Dude been hood hopping his whole life
Fr talking vagos then no gold like shots sweet
"Thailand and Bali and Indonesia..."
As Balinese, I always have this mixed feeling when people think Bali is NOT a part of Indonesia lol.
No one cares
I can’t believe there are grown adults signing up to make their lives even more difficult and stressful than our country already makes it. It’s so crazy to me.
They want a fulfilling, non-boring, hectic, violent life. They don't work a standard 9-5 in a cubivle and come home and watch the news. It's about the brotherhood, discipline and camaraderie.
@@HgRoller and maybe that's the disconnect. I don't see how living a violent life promotes brotherhood, discipline and camaraderie unless you mentally have something going on. Fortunately for me my 9-5 grants me access to all the finer things in life, less stress, access to incredible experiences, and I wake up not having to look over my shoulder when I riding my motorcycle. If you call that boring and unfulfilling then we are just living in two different realities. I'm praying for my brothers that they find peace within.
@@HgRollerSounds like fight club to me. You can't escape rules though, even their life can become rudimentary with the rules they have to follow.
Totally minimalised involvement and gang activities
Grew up in Palmdale they both were everywhere out there.
The Black Widows out of Pacoima are the most feared MC
in the face of adversity i come to you for vape , motivation to right the help you need when im sober
This is the most dorky tough professional cool guy I have ever seen. It’s like a conundrum.
What a bunch of dorks...we are in a club...real cool.
Roleplaying Peter Pan on farting bicycles got organised.
huh?
@@50PullUps I think what he's saying is these biker gangs are people who don't wanna grow up(like peterpan) and their motorcycles are just farting bicycles
1:58 anybody else about to prank call the Mongols?
No bro you didn't join for the love of motorcycles you joined a gang...there were plenty legal clubs for you to join the original Mongols angels and such started as guys who loved bikes you knowingly joined a gang quit talking to us like were stupid
EXACTLY ✅
yup, they're just criminal children on bikes, but in adult bodies.
Mooch was and is absolutely a informant himself..
When did it began cool to tell everything
felt like a Vice (old school) episode. MOAR pl0x
Who would have thought a story about being in a motorcycle gang could be so boring.
This best criminal is hiding out in the open, blending into society like that fried chicken restaurant in breaking bad ;)
These videos are awesome! Please keep making them!
For the ones with foreign language speakers, has your team considered dubbing over the audio? At least into English? There was at least one that I didn’t watch because it was subbed and I couldn’t focus on it and my work at the same time.
You could even upload both the sub and dub version to honor the voice of the original speaker, while giving accessibility options to viewers.
Thanks for all the hard work!