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- Jay Dobyns is a retired ATF agent who went undercover with the Hells Angels from 2001 to 2003 as part of Operation Black Biscuit. He speaks with Insider about his experience with the outlaw motorcycle gang and its inner workings.
Dobyns joined the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives in 1987 and conducted over 500 undercover operations during his time there, from weapons and narcotics trafficking to home-invasion burglary. He served as an instructor at the agency's National Academy. He is also the recipient of the United States attorney general's Medal of Valor, 12 ATF special-act awards, and the National Association of Police Organizations' top-cops award.
He is the author of "No Angel: My Harrowing Undercover Journey to the Inner Circle of the Hells Angels."
Find out more: www.jaydobyns.com/
Chapter 1: Entering the Clubhouse - 00:29
Chapter 2: The Hierarchy - 02:43
Chapter 3: The Rivalries - 05:30
Chapter 4: Gaining Trust - 09:08
Chapter 5: The Rules - 10:40
Chapter 6: The Money - 12:24
Chapter 7: The Parties - 13:44
Chapter 8: The Mongols Incident - 15:05
Chapter 9: The Fallout - 17:20
Chapter 10: The Aftermath - 19:46
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I wish they sent undercover police to investigate politicians
Unfortunately, the founding fathers were smart enough to make checks and balances but not for themselves
Its kind of amazing. The entire criminal justice system runs while a well-oiled machine when it comes to convicting drug crime. Any drug crime, the whole system works in perfect harmony, like it was made for the purpose.
But sex crimes? Political corruption? White collar crime? Suddenly, the justice system grinds to a halt. The justice system is totally ineffective when it comes these crimes.
98% of perpetrators of violent SA never a see a day in jail. But you better pray you're not a destitute drug addict, because the full weight of the law will come down on you.
They do.
Ohhhh snap good one bro that's so tough abd smart abd cool
Off you go.
The book is absolutely brilliant. I read it a few years ago and couldn't put it down. The ATF should be ashamed at what they've done to Jay,he gave up his life for that investigation and they hung him out to dry. A shocking betrayal.
LOL shocking? its the ATF... NEVER trust the 3 letter agencies my guy
The ATF is literally an embarrassment, and that's why those dingleberries need to get dispersed. They overstep their boundaries.
Yea it didn't tell about how much he lied and why he was kicked out of the investigation
@@damiandraven4537 Where can we corroborate that idea / story? How do YOU know he lied? Is it obvious? Maybe his book is ridiculous and exceptionally intelligent people can decipher the truth from fiction.
Don't know. Haven't read it.
But for those who want to believe you over Jay, how do they know you are right?
I didn’t know that part of his story yet. I should definitely get my hands on that book somehow. Anyone know if there’s an ebook version available?
I grew up around hells angels, by the age of 10 i knew the sergeant at arms, treasurer, and president of the local chapter. My father ran around with them for years, he never got patched in, despite it being offered multiple times. He refused because of me.
He always told me "Its the clean cut ones you need to watch."
The man that wears a button up shirt, with real nice hair and no tattoos in a group of "biker" looking guys is the most dangerous man in the group.
why?
@@themetkaf Because they're the ones with things to really hide.
Not to mention because out of the entire group the cops aren't going to look at the well dressed guy with a nice job first. They'll look at him close to last because all of his buddies with gang tattoos and a petty rap sheet 3 miles long fit the bill more than him.
I used to get my gear via them in the 1980's. They invited another group of bikers out into a forest for a "chat" over a stabbing. This was in england. There was a newspaper story about some one being shot in the legs with a shot gun. They did not mention the meat clever incident. i got a phone call about going fishing at the docks. We drove srtaight through the gates unchallenged, directly to a shipping container which was cordoned off and there was a customs man there with a handgun guarding it. i was that non badged clean cut guy you are talking about. If they wanted those guns, all they had to do was put their cards on the table.
Why is that?
@@themetkaf Every church has its chapter. The word chapter also appears in 'freemasonry' They claim america was built on freemasonry. It is a form of statistical manipulation. I found out about hells angels via tv when I was still at school. I did not know what chapter is. No one told me. i was being exploited the same way as everyone else. It got people killed.
The Hells Angels story about how you managed to infiltrate the club is one of the most incredible stories I’ve ever seen. Very few people would have the necessary skills to handle playing a role like that. It’s not like the Hells Angels aren’t cautious and aware that law enforcement is always trying to get in. Just insane to even try it. I can’t imagine how stressful and scary it must have been at times.
Balls of steel for real
Ive met a handful of members from working in the oilfield...
An HA member will NEVER straight up tell you theyre a memeber... you put 2 and 2 together and figure it out
Alot of HA guys are good too, they dont pick fights with locals or cause harm. I respect the HA theyve always been good to work with
@@deecee2174 What do you mean they never tell you they're a member? Their whole thing is that they wear jackets with the name printed in bold letters
their "whole thing" is what? something you've seen on tv or youtube, I'm guessing ..
@@theeyehead3437
@@deecee21742 and 2 together like looking at the huge patch on their back? They ain't in hiding, chief
I read this mans book almost 10 years ago. It was a phenomenal book and a great insight both into the friendships formed in the Hell's Angels as well as the failure of the ATF.
If I recall correctly, one HA member refused to believe "Bird" was an undercover agent until he took the stand to testify, cuz he considered him a close friend. The book is 100% worth a read.
Whats the book called mate
@@unboxingbraxton2084 No Angel
The whole ATF agency is a failure, they need to be disbanded and everyone in it jailed
I’m gonna pick that up. Thanks for the rec.
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist1metaphorical madness u got there cuh 🔥 🔥 you should do rap on jah 🌋🔥🗽🗽
You can tell it's difficult for him to talk about his family and his betrayal. I feel for him.
Sounds real comfortable to me
Crappy...two faced garbage ..laughable ..law enforcent..been corrupt for decades.🤔😠
He's trying to keep all his lies straight...lol
Spies are the lowest form of life though . 👿
I don’t feel for him at all. He is a walking paradox. He wanted to have his cake and eat it. He wanted the glory of being in the Hells Angels and at the same time make himself out to be some kind of hero cop who bravely sacrificed himself to uphold the “law”. He didn’t care that he betrayed his own family, otherwise he would have never taken that stupid undercover assignment which turned out practically nothing.
around the late 70s early 80s my dad was a mechanic and loved bikes, was driving on the freeway and saw a guy on the side with his bike broken down and was a hells angel. my dad was always friendly to help anyone his entire life and helped this guy get his bike running again. afterwards the guy pulled a gun out and said you gotta come with me and meet some people to make sure your legit and not some undercover. my dad went and they found out pretty quick he was just a regular guy. he ended up hanging out with them alot. he had some sort of vest, i know it wasnt a official but i think it was the ones they give people in "Training" or new members for him to wear when he was around. he went to alot of their parties mainly or just rode for fun with them. he said alot of stuff he saw he didnt want to tell me. he said women were anyones women. at least the onces he experienced. i know there is ones that there are hands off on. around the time i was born they had a big raid in the chapter in our city and he said all the ones he knew were leaving and going to the california chapter to get away from the heat. so my dad burned the vest he had and never went back to anything like that. i would ask why didnt you keep the vest. this was in the 80s when i was wearing jean jackets with heavy metal patches all over them thinking thats the coolest thing. he said it was like wearing a target and if the wrong people ever found it he could get killed. didnt even want anyone to find it ever in his closet. he also didnt own a bike at the time, he had one when he was younger and crashed them. he was actually a horrible rider nearly died once lol. but he said when he was around the angels that he knew they always had a spare bike he could ride with them. they were very giving. weather that was to course him or if they just liked him i dunno. he would help others tune their bikes or fix them. i worked with my dad as a mechanic as i got older and thats just how he was. we had our own family business and often if he saw someone who worked for us or a friend of a friend having issues he would just go over there and start working on their stuff for them and never charged them and would either fix it or tell them what they needed to fix it. sometimes we would spend 14-16 hour days at our shop it was exhausting. time to him didnt matter, he practically lived at work. but he also provided for his kids from his first wife, me, my 2 adopted sisters, and then his 3rd wife he took care of my step bro and step sis and when my step sis had a kid he took care of her kid as well. a few years ago he died broke and crippled with a caine. he only had a trailer and a half paid car. i sold the trailer for 10k and paid the car off with it and kept it.
Your Dad died a rich man.
@@KennyJimenez-ng6zb i can say he def died rich in spirit. i also seen him lose alot of money over the years by helping other workers and stuff. would loan them money and never get it back. from what i know he was owed at least 8 grand total from various people he helped. there was another story he told me something about being in a bar with them and a huge fight brokeout with another biker gang. i wanan say it was with the outlaws but i cant say for sure, some of these stories he told me when i was 9 and told them to me multiple times. but im 42 now so its kind of vivid. but the bar fight it was enough to spook him to not go drinking with them again. he seemed to really enjoy his time around them but also had a sense of this cant be long term thing around when i was born. i think the cleveland chapter being raided was prob the best thing to happen and prob give him a out. anyways thanks everyone for listening to me yap about my pops!
@@MelodicMizeryPs3Vids Thanks for sharing your insight, great stories to read and RIP to your Pops. He sounded like a very kind and generous man.
thank you @@rebel1052k
Wow this is quite the story, I love how he basically just treated them as a normal group of bikers (with some caution ofc). I think HA is an very interesting group since yeah sure they are mostly criminals and dangerous BUT they will rarely hurt anyone without a real reason cus they have their own rules/honor to follow and beside that they are a family and it’s kinda sad to hear the betrayal on a family level when a cop who infiltrated, stands against them
Every time I see this thumbnail, I keep thinking that's Mike Ehrmantraut.
Just imagine being one of this dudes best friends in the gang ... Thinking you've got one of the greatest bonds with someone and then one day the cops bust in your door and arrest you... Then you realize it was your "best friend" who is a cop that turned you in.
That's literally the plot of Donnie Brasco, good film, well worth a watch
These biker gang fellows betray their so-called "friends" all the time. I have zero sympathy for these people.
@@bigredracingteam9642 I wouldn't say I have zero sympathy... At least for all of them anyway... I'm sure there are a few real pieces of work. But probably some decent guys also who've just made mistakes as well.
I dont know how this dude sleeps at night. I could care less about grown adults doing drugs.. Go after some bikers, but if your rich you can have a whole island of children to have sex with and then have other rich people come.. what a joke the justice system is
@@SpaceRanger187 that guy you're referring to was locked up for those crimes before being murdered in prison. not sure what your point is
The best PR the Hell's Angels get is from cops like this. Even back in the 60's when Hunter S Thompson wrote about them he admitted that the Hell's Angels weren't that big of a deal until the police and the media started blowing them up and then they grew exponentially. They admitted themselves that they were never as crazy as the cops and media made them sound, but they appreciated all the free advertising.
@@beezub4311 good point. Also on top of this: Texas isn't "just one state". It is the second most populated state behind California and makes up more than 10% of the USA population. Shows that real power actually exists
They rarely mess with civilians, and in some case the keeper crazier gangs in check, but the are No saints
@@beezub4311 I guess you didn't read my comment, I said they weren't a big deal UNTIL all of the sudden attention they got in the late sixties and seventies.
Yeah I forgot that meth isn’t a big deal. My bad
@@201hastings You think the HA cornered the market on meth in the sixties? I feel like you're not getting what I'm saying here
The writers of Sons of Anarchy TV series really did their home work. Because everything about how the Hells Angels are run including their club and how the cuts are labeled is pretty well spot on with SoA
Cuttes*
You know nothing of how the club works in real life, and the tiny bit they knew about on that gay TV show is only because they had actual club members on payroll giving tiny insights into the workings
lmao that show is just sopranos for people who didn't understand tony was supposed to be a bad person
@@valkillmore847man you’re upset aren’t you
Yeah but he even says it in the video. Every chapter is massively different. Where I am on the east coast they are generally regarded as decent guys because they do all the charity stuff every year. There hasn't been an incident with the public in decades.
After reading "no angel" like ten years ago I was astonished to hear about the law suit against dobbins by the atf. But if there was anything i would say more about the book is how apparent it was after reading it that the biggest obstacle dobbins faced was not collecting evidentiary means to convictions, but being bogged down beaurocratic red tape that prevented any real work from being done. Politics and crime are so connected in ways its unbelievable.
It's the same thing... crime is just legalized political strong arming until it crosses to physical violence... which the state contracts out to other agents than the ones in charge of legal and monetary harassment.
If you don't pay a state ordered fine in most cases eventually men will show up at your door and threaten violence if you don't do what they say. It's no different from the mob.
What do you call men with guns showing up at your door? Because that's what the law does.
This is the type of journalism we should be seeing on mainstream media. Hopefully there's more to come.
Insider is fairly mainstream. Owned by a big, multinational media company. It's pretty far away from guerilla journalism...
@DioDiablo
This type of journalism is Bread & Circus stuff 😂
Are you for real ?
It is national geographic channel!
Arkansas
James O'Keefe does it.
My dad (deceased) was a club president (not the angels) during the biker wars of the 70s.
I could write a book about what I witnessed and what my dad told me.
I remember during High School watching him on the local news with the mayor, chief of police and the president of the rival club.
Crazy times.
Wow, history is amazing. How do you think this has affected your thinking in life?
My father was in one in the bay area in the 70's and 80's and the whole complex we lived in was members and the apartments across the street were memebers.... until one day a gun fight broke out then my pops said its time to get my family outta here. Crazy times
@@yeh.80 great question. At one point in my teens my dad made it crystal clear that the club was his family. So I knew that lifestyle wasn't for me.
My dad eventually had to go into hiding shortly before he died from ALS.
I should also say that I was always treated with the highest respect from the club and other bikers.
What was your dads name?
@@Jakem763 going to have to pass. Sorry.
Damn the fact he so readily admits his failures. It tells you how much a different man he is today
I saw a solo Hell’s Angel riding early morning once in Colorado Springs years ago. I was literally amazed only having heard of them.
same situation with me lmao
Bring him for rating Motorcycle Club scenes from Movies and TV shows
Amazing idea
make him dress up like a rat and eat rotten food in the dark for a contest.
Literally it would just be 'Sons of Anarchy' and 'Mayans M.C.' clips.
Okay, maybe the Serpents from 'Riverdale' or the One-Eyed Snakes from 'Bob's Burgers'.
@@musicalnotextr nah those would just be the only ones that might be close to reality, bikers are constantly in media just horribly misrepresented.
please do
I work security and the last director we had was also an undercover with some biker gangs back in the 80s and 90s. Dude looked normal, but if you looked at him long enough, you’d get this feeling like he was a bad dude that could hurt you. He was really nice though, and took care of us until he left our team.
Hey answer me this. Why can The Hell's Angels have a right out in the open club house, but Latin Kings cannot?
@@franksir5528 go ask the latin kings🤷♂️
@@eddyram4932 that's a good idea, perhaps I shall
@@franksir5528 One's a gang and the other's a motorcycle club.
@@genefogarty5395 bullshit
over 20 years ago my dad found a bunch of hells angels shirts at a flea market he listed a few for sale on ebay and almost instantly was messaged by a member demanding they come pickup the shirts he has(he didn’t list all of them at once so he was able to keep a good bit😳)
The Hell's Angels are so hard to morally assess. They started as veterans that were fucked over returning from war, they don't bother you if you don't bother them, they contribute to society and yet... the killing and drugs and such. I feel like these were good people that were cruelly let down so they lost faith in society and decided to fend for themself(at least in their beginnings). Correct me if I am wrong though, I met one Hell's Angel in my life, I don't know enough to have a solid stance.
I remember this guy , he was one tough wide receiver for the University of Arizona. He would go across the middle catch the ball , get his bell rung and then do it again on the next play . A true football badass.
Literally Johnny Utah!
@@Ron-ml2mx Except Jonny Utah was a quaterback punk.
Must be why he was silly enough to be an undercover cop. Guy got the sense knocked OUT of him.
@@Ron-ml2mx yeah, that’s who I thought of when I remembered who he was.
Sounds like a real genius that repeated behavior resulting in the same outcome while expecting something else. No wonder he was a perfect fit for govt' work.
I've heard similar stories from former undercover officers who worked on cases against the Hell's. In the end it leads to nowhere. An officer can spend well over 2 decades investigating and building up "a case" and then it all gets thrown out of court. They have good lawyers. My old business law professor in college had been a lawyer for them during his younger years. Nowadays the Hell's are mostly involved in money laundering. Where I live it's now illegal for them to wear their patches in public. Just wearing a jacket can land them in prison. So they have gone underground like an SOB. All of their club houses have been demolished. Another thing this guy doesn't mention is that they lure young men into the club through the use of younger woman. The younger women will pretend to just run across them and invite them to a party, "Oh, it's just a party, etc." They're prospecting when they do that. Any ways, I never understood what the big deal was about them. Never cared either. As for this former cop, the whole system is corrupt. He found that out the hard way. I bet law enforcement wasn't there to protect him nor his family after the SHTF. Obviously someone from the inside ratted him out. His fellow gang members were probably more loyal to him then his brothers in blue.
GABOS
game ain't based on sympathy
That’s the funny thing about gangs and mafias, the government is no different. We just give them more legitimacy, they have bigger guns, and hold a slightly more peaceful order.
Oh wow ! luring guys into you club with hot chicks, that's got to be a RICO predicate right there 🤣🤣🤣
Not even worth the huge risk of getting caught and the consequences when the charges are brought and have to live with a bounty on your head. Unlike Organized crime that avoids targeting law enforcement, the biker gangs don’t care who you are. And then you have your own agency suing you for a book you wrote, ungreatful motherf*kers. This should be suing for permanent security detail.
It is an amazing example of how the government is 100% at fault for crime, everyone knows who these people are but due to stupid legislation and lack of interest by the government they don't get arrested, look at Bukele in El Salvador, he got rid of the criminal gangs that were worst than in mexico and now is an extremely safe country, the gangs got crushed when someone assumed power and decided to end it, similar cases happen constantly where the state is lenient and crime increases and when it applies the law crime goes down, it's amazing to me that bands of criminals can roam the street wearing a big sign that says "I'm part of a criminal organization" without repercussions due to stupid laws that protect criminals and lack of interest by the state.
ATF never ceases to make bad calls
I read his book a few years ago. Great follow up. Tough to hear about his family and the inevitable follow ups and house situation.
My dad was the trauma doctor on for the twin peaks shooting. We were eating at Logan’s roadhouse which is within a 500 yards of twin peaks. It was right after church he heard the ambulances looked at his pager and finished his meal that was the last I saw of him for about 3 days straight. Right across the road is Baylor Scott and white Hillcrest so the drive to the hospital was less than 5 minutes
people that were there say that was started by a fed sniper.
@SIDEWAYZBURNOUTZ and not a single biker was convicted. Majority of people that were injured were done so by law enforcement. No civilians were hurt either. Interesting isn't it
@@ReckOne559 at some point we have to realize the feds serve the ruling class, the bankers and the secret societies.
@@SidewaysBurnouts facts
@@ReckOne559 maybe I don’t know that part I just know it was suppose to be a knife and chain fight and they brought guns
Friends of mine were hired to play and being soundmen at a hell's angels party if I remember well.....They brought around 15 or 20K$ worth of equipment. At one point things went bad. They told the musicians and techs to go in the basement and shut up (or something like that). They spent quite a lot of time there from what I remember, then they got out (I don't know if they were told not to look around or if everything was clear by then.) They gave the guys 20 to 30 k$ or something like that and asked the "Did you see anything strange last night?" where they all said "nope, I don't remember anything weird" and they all went their own way......I've had weird gigs in my life. That one I'm glad I did not get.
Why not? 20-30k to sit in a basement for the night? They also didn't see or hear anything and they all left unscathed so it sounds like a win to me. I can't play any instruments well enough to be in a band but but I'll gladly sign up! Lol but in all seriousness, that's wild and incredibly sketchy
@@jonnymac8925 I never said that they did not hear anything.......They've allegedly heard quite a lot.....and I'm not talking only about people arguing lol... I've been in bands most of my life. I never experienced anything like that.....I forgot to be clear about something, they received 20-30k$ but all their gear was.......well, let's say that they didn't get in back and it'd be a safe bet to assume that no one is ever going to use it ever. (Making it as a musician in today's world is such a hard gig that I'd probably happily hide in a bunker for 20/30K$ if it didn't mean that I'd end up losing around 20kS worth of gear that I've spent years selecting.....Gear that is now probably worth more money now than back when I bought it lol and call me weird, I sorta get emotionally attached to my gear, especially my instruments lol (Yeah I know, being emotionally attached to a guitar or an amp is messed up, but all songwriters are messed up to a certain extent in my opinion lol and well, a lot of musicians in general are lol.) Anyways, I'm sorry, it's 7 A.M. over here, spent the night recording then had 2 and a half drinks (I'm trying not to have a huge alcohol tolerance lol)....I then fell asleep, saw your message and somehow decided that now was the right time to answer......probably wasn't the best decision :p, but whatever, I felt like specifying a few things that weren't clear since I should have been a lot more specific and clear about what I wrote in my original message, That mistake is entirely on my and I sincerely apologize. Have a great and hopefully awesome day! Take good care of yourself :)
@@jonnymac8925 He'd have to spend most of that rebuying the equipment that was destroyed.
@@jonnymac8925 my guess would be a bad fight broke out and someone ended up getting killed. I.e. murder
Definitely didn’t happen but creative story anyway
The irony of an ATF agents getting pissy about them wanting him to remove his guns.
Very interesting, and even more rare, believable....Thankyou "Insider". I believe this man is honest and I rarely ever think that.
He's a lair. And he's good at it. Never trust a fed
I actually read "No Angel", great book that I can really recommend ! I ate it right up, couldn't put it down. The way Jay was treated by the ATF was shameful, he gave so much to the case, but he was an asset, nothing more.
Ftp....💩🔨rats a rat a RAT🔨👿
no-offence yet its not a job'description that a legit cop or person of'anytype would take' (whilst it shows little macro-insight to the real'world and the plethora of contrived problems these operations manufacture bƴdèsìgn' so coughing up for the book n'rewarding the innocent n'unnecessary lives that are destroy'd by this kind of pseudo-policing cr*p isnt a wise'choice (just'my opinion yet) its hard to believe that anybody rational could look@any of this as a legit job
and/or a legit job welldone' (injussàƴin' ,,,
Sounds pretty on brand for the ATF. Another 3 letter fed agency that should be disbanded.
Typical federal government move.
All of there infiltrators were treated like this
The scariest thing about the Hells Angels is the missing apostrophe.
😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣
A chilling revelation indeed.
You've obviously never met them in real life or you wouldn't be saying that
Many hells?🤣
@@kevan4978 you’ve obviously never heard a joke in real life or you wouldn’t be saying that
I lived on the same block as the H.A clubhouse in Edmonton. Our neighborhood had a ZERO % crime rate year-round.
well... 0% in the official records, anyway lol
Lmaoooooo Canada? Man stfu
The Canadian HA is prolly the scariest chapters of HA. There are reasons why there's only one 1%MC in Canada, and it isn't because of the winters.
Jay is the coolest guy ever! He was my first baseball coach growing up.
In the early '90s I had a custom bike shop in SoCal. I had a few HA as customers. I also had a friend that knew an ATF agent. That agent wanted to do an undercover operations like Dobyns did. My friend asked me if I would talk to this guy because he wanted to pick my brain about what I knew about the club. I declined and told me friend I didn't even want to meet this agent, let alone talk about club life. I had to explain to my friend what a dangerous position that would put me in. I don't think the agent ever got involved with the club.
Wise decision. I was able to talk my actual brother family member out of joining. He's very glad now because his best friend did join and ended up spending 26 years in prison.
"We want you to be a part of something that, if it goes sideways, will fall entirely on your head at no cost to us." 😎
@@jamest3002 Sounds like another gang that frequent lodges.
Some friends you hang with, some you try not to hang because of.
I used to do security surveillance work for them in my country. Both in clubhouses and high ranking members homes. I wasn't involved in the club either. It was allways a hairline balance to make sure I never owed them anything or got to hear or see things that would give them a pinch on me.
But they payed me real well for keeping quiet so it took me a while to slowly work my way out of them calling me when they needed work done...
I'd have made the exact same choice you did!
This interview is a great example of how life can get complicated fast. It's also a great example how the ends are justified for the means, and regular people are often run over as a consequence.
As a professional shoe maker, I was looking for heels angles, but this'll do.
That was the most clear direct explanation to date! Awesome. And my favorite part is how he subtly defended the angels having had real connections within. Well done
This guy sounds like he honestly enjoyed the outlaw life more than being a fed
I know Jay, and he loves his family as much as any Dad could. Even fathers can make mistakes, but it is how you continue to love that matters.
God bless.
He did his job to provide food on the table... What mistakes.
I believe this was the most honest interview he has given to this day. It was nice to hear him acknowledge that not all members are criminal drug addicts and the club does do things to help the community. That is very true when it comes to kids. Are there members that participate in criminal activity? Im sure there is just like the general public but you can't lump everyone together.
I listened to the whole thing and came convinced that the whole thing was a giant waste of taxpayer money. Who are the real bad guys? AFT are the crooks. Defund them.
mexican drug cartels do the same thing…
Ett stort tack för att ni står upp för yttrandefriheten.
I remember watching Jay Dobyns talk about this exact experience on the episode of Gangland about The Hells Angels. Good to see he's still around and still speaking on familiar topics!
F*** ATF agents they killed kids at Waco and ruby ridge
How have you got time to watch YT? Back to the maps. 😉
Gangland was such a great show. That was back in the heyday of Spike TV if I remember correctly. It might be time to bring that one back.
@@Chris92881 I recently re-watched the whole series and it's super outdated and antiquated but it's still super informative and interesting. Also i'm sure Gangs are still a problem in America but I don't think it's on the same level as it used to be too much technology, cameras & facial recognition software to get away with Gang Activity imo on a similar scale as the early 2000's
Good to see still around
NOT
This is badass. Makes me realize how I could NEVER do this. You have to be a rare caliber of man to do this and pull it off at that
Yeah a fucked up caliber
If everyone in society was built like that, it would be a very tortuous world. It takes all kinds.
bullshit. you just have to live the life and have nothing else to live for. but if you're in law enforcement and want to be known as a badass or are very ambitious, many are willing. a lot of this is talked about like it's some goddamned movie. it's not that. there are moments of high drama but they are rare
@@jerkchickenblog bro walking up to an Angels club house after being greeted by 4 armed guards and saying “no, sir, I will not give up my firearm” takes a certain amount of cojones
Yeah a true rat deceiver. Gains trust and then shits on everyone.
such a cool insider. thanks for your story
My Dad did this in the 70s after he got back from Vietnam when he was a state narcotics officer and I had some cool photos of him we lost due to one of the many disasters in California. Some wild stories he told me about it.
100% I bet that didn’t happen
Alex Caine's book "Befriend and betray" about his own time as an Hell's Angels undercover is still one of my favourite read. I'm gonna get this one's a go for sure!
Society glorifies and worships Hollywood actors for their betrayals on film but undercover agents have to be considered the best actors in the world because their very lives depend on their performance. Can't imagine the stress his family had to go through because of this case. Thank god there are officers like Jay Dobyns willing to do this dangerous thankless work.
yes.. Making it seem like every MC is like this is so stupid.. The amount of people I have heard hate on people that ride bikes.. All of this would end if drugs were legal and regulated. Most probaly wouldn't even do them anymore.. no different then drinking before your 21..Notice how everyone isn't an alcoholic after 21.. Because once its legal, its not that fun
Wow, an ATF agent doing something good for the nation? Rare sight.
I enjoyed this, great story.
Brave man.
Another ATF agent that did this was William "Billy" Queen--he infiltrated The Mongols. Interesting book "Under and Alone"
Embellished is an understatement.
"I wasn't going to kill anyone punching them in the head." I think it's usually the curb on the way down that does that.
Lmfao 😂 too right.know ppl doing time for that very thing
@@tylerdouglas480 That pissed me off too. So much of what he admitted to doing would put people in jail, EVEN IF they had reasonable excuses like he apparently had. But because a cop did it, no problem. Even if it means starting a gunfight where tons of people died that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
There was a kid , twenty one years of age that got into a bar fight here in my town. One punch he was dead.
Freak accident but it does happen.
Great piece!
Another great interview, salute!
Yea. I read your book. The operation was a giant jerkoff. I forgot the name of the guy in charge but he seemed like he just wanted the clout of running the op instead of actually trying to build a case. Felt bad for Jay when I read it as it sounded like he was used and kept undercover way too long. I think the biggest arrest I recall from the book was sometime who did tattoos for the club threatening Jay after they pulled Jay out to try and prosecute guys. All that being said, Jay seemed like a pretty solid dude. Tough line of work.
Jay seems like a decent guy who is utterly powerless to his own ego. You’re head of a family and decide to do this prolonged undercover role within a very dangerous organization? A father has two jobs, to protect and provide for his family, and he endangered his family. Glad it worked out but it’s incredibly selfish in my mind
it wasnt even a year he said he didnt make it to the yearly vote, and they only bust 50 peeople thats nothing in the scope of things, they should of stayed for 5-10 years and busted entire gang, 5 years is nothing
You have read one side of a story from a guy who lies for a living and your on board. Your just as smart as a hells angel apparently. Never trust a man that doesn't drink
He’s an ATF agent, that’s worse than any gang member
@@NG-cf7zh I mean he knew full well what he was going into. It is interesting though, in these situations people fly off the radar, witness protection.. become non existent with their family. However he went all out writing a book, all while still talking to news outlets to this day, why?
This is pretty fascinating and informative. I read Hunter S. Thompson's book back in the day and I've always been interested in the phenomenon of the Hell's Angels. This was a solid interview.
Do you know two people need to be involved for an interview?
Thanks for mentioning that book, I was going to read it years ago after I finished Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas but forgot about it till now.
@@edwardschmitt5710just because one person is off camera, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
This is still an interview, he is still answering questions from an interviewer.
@@valhallaxx It is a very good book but remember that back then the Hells Angels were much different than they are now , or even 30 years ago .
A lot of people forget that people who join the hells angels more often than not don’t join it to commit crimes, they do it to ride, to meet other people like them, and be part of a community that shares a hobby. It’s not all bad, and like Jay said, they do Toy Drives, Community Service, Blood drives, they care about people. I think more people need to be aware of that
The most riveting “How Crime Works” by Insider.
I respect the fact that he mentioned the good things he saw them do too
The family has no idea their life will never be the same. Crazy
my dad was a mechanic all his life, he knew people in there and would do work on their bikes back in the day
When I was 7years old I was friends with a 12 year old boy whose dad was a Hells Angel. My mother told me to never go to his house, but one day i went anyway. His dad was there sitting on the couch with a woman who wasnt the kids mother. I remember his dad had his jacket on with patches on it. I was scared and realized I should of listened to my mother, but his dad was cool. He picked me up and set me on his bike and let me pretend I was riding it and started telling me how the Hells Angels were the best. I have never forgot that day. I remember telling his dad I wanted to be a Hells Angel when i grew up and he just laughed.
did you become a Hell's angel
@@user-zf3sy1zg2kyeah he did
This is why it’s so hard to bring organisations like the Hells Angels down - to get in you have to become like family members, and if you do succeed in doing that, you then have to betray that family - not an easy thing to do when you’ve invested so much to get to that level with them, and the organisation is very smart in having the minimum 365 day prospect period and processes for full membership - makes infiltration damn near impossible!
I also think that organisation of that scale, and with so many chapters, is near impossible to eleminate.
You can cut one head off, but it will regrow before you cut the rest
Exactly
That's infinitely easier to infiltrate than lots of organizations that are LITERALLY just a family.
I don't see why it would be necessary to eliminate the Hells Angels. There are people that are even worse, being members of even worse organisations, that should be brought down and no one is talking about. Let's start by corrupt politicians, corrupt cops, Neo-Nazis, the KKK, the Pharma industry, Monsanto and so on...
I'm actually surprised it isn't longer; a year is not really that long to know someone, and a big undercover operation can go a year+ no problem.
Thanks for this great interview. After watching it I've joined the Hells Angel's
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Lol congratulations
SURE YOU DID!🤣🤣🤣
Do they let you ride your e-bike?
Love how they just glossed over that he was an ATF agent 😂😂😂
I've read his book, it was amazing.
I was at a steakhouse where the Hell's Angels were having a big dinner and I was in the bathroom and I saw one of them come out the stall and went right back to their table he didn't wash his hands
Wow, I can sleep at night after reading your experience
Monsters.
He prolly didn't pee on his hands.
He had wipes in his vest.
That's how you know they're bad to the bone..... savages
I normally hesitate to watch videos over 15 minutes. This series is an absolute exception
Horrible attention span? Lol
@@squibbelsmcjohnson exactly
imagine if he just took the mission to create fire dad or grandpa lore, all jokes aside w guy for risking his family just to help stop these people commit crimes he even betrayed trust created relationships just for justice. Big respect to him
The first mistake this man made was working for the ATF.
How is this dude still alive and out in public. Surely he is a target for life. This was only 20 years ago.
Crazy he signed up for this.
Because he was never really in the gang, just an associate pretending to be a member to the public, he never murdered anyone for the club
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@@jakefavreI think he meant from the HA
This wasn't long enough. Awesome content
made me think of the great series, Sons of Anarchy and Mayans MC...real tough stories like this man's
It could be someone else but I think he wrote a book on his experience, it was great!
Great story.This is is the quickest 20 minutes I’ve ever spent. Thanks for sharing
I read his book right after I bought my first Harley in 2009. I wasn’t looking to join a gang, but was curious who is out there and how things go so that I can avoid confrontation with them.
It’s a good book, and reading it got me interested in other motorcycle gang books.
I wish he had gone into more detail about some things in this video, but maybe he wasn’t asked those questions.
They are not gangs. They are Clubs.
@@som2596 what’s the difference?
@@Linusgumpclubs = troublemaker on a superficial level (kinda)
Gans = violent criminal organizations
I have more respect for these types than cops and politicians. Did time with a heavy in the 81, we played chess for ramen all the time. Was one of the nicest and most stand up guys I had the pleasure of meeting.
12:52 - if I'm not mistaken this is a shot from the Rolling Stones playing Sympathy for the Devil live.
This man speaks with conviction. Great vid
Absolutely love how this man talks and explains his story. Simple and straight to the point! I could listen to him for hours ❤️
This guy was serving hay makers to make sure they didn't die. Got to appreciate dedication.
Amazing story, I just ordered the book. You should know that he came out with a sequel hopefully he's making money on that one. I will probably read that it when I finnish this one.
I love how obviously uncomfortable he became when talking about how the women are treated. He did not wanna get into that aspect of this.
you liked how he didn’t want to open a can of worms on human trafficking post the “me too” era? not exactly cool.
I think he was a hells angel in heart. He was visibly heartbrocken when he mentioned those friendships. Thats what the clubs are for. They are your family.
THEY ARE TRASH. HELLS ANGELS ARE CLOWNS.
Very professional channel, makes a good impression
This was very very interesting to learn.. So much more organized than I realized.. It's insane how deep in these undercovers can and do go..
they do a real good job making ppl think they are just a biker brotherhood by doing community charities etc. they even have YT channels portraying them as brotherhoods that help eachother become better humans and family fathers etc. Its insanely orgnized.... Having seen things from the inside as a contractor I can promise you they are hardened criminals that anyone should stay as far away from as possible...
Welcome to humanity. We’re built for systems and love playing our part in them
Thank you for your service Sir!
Good to see Mike is well and healthy in Belize.
This should be a movie
There is a great show on HULU right now called Gangland and it talks about Joe Falco and how he worked for the ATF infiltrating the Vagos MC then the Outlaws. It's incredible and worth the watch for sure
Show has been around for a looong time
Read the book
You remind of a younger co worker who said "do you know will Ferrell?" Old news lmao
It's Charles Falco.
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you are now, one of my personal heroes man thank you
The hells angels remind me of a group of playground bullies that never fully grew up but instead just became more violent.
They are losers. My brother was part of a MC im not going to name the Club.. They took passports of Eastern European females and forced them to work as prostitutes. They sold drugs, used drugs and threathened alot of innocent ppl for money. My brother left the MC a few years ago on a bad standing, and i still think he's a loser for even joining
Weird because I'd say the exact same thing about the police
@@blinkyy1088 Just like Jay says in the documentary about the Hell's Angels being like any other walk of life, members he liked and didn't. People doing community service and those involved in drugs and serious crimes. My dad was a cop and I think he is an awesome person and so were some of his friends that I met. But I also knew and interacted with other cops that I hated or was straight up scared of.
So much courage. What an interesting Life.
I read No Angels few years ago and couldn’t put it down. Fascinating stuff
A Salute to you , Sir. It takes strong willpower, courage, high sense of integrity, quick thinking ability and forethought.
Ya l am sure it was all worth it just to get a thumbs up by someone like you .
John Malkovich is really going all in on his new biker movie.
Jay played football for the University of Arizona back in 1982-‘84. He was a great receiver!!! Guys got guys!!!
I know a guy who was walking home late one night and had to relieve himself. He came across a potted plant in front of a regular looking building entrance, and went ahead. Turned out to be a clubhouse. He was lucky he could sprint!
This guy has balls of steel. I don't know how he's still breathing. The prison system needs undercover investigators like this to catch the guards sneaking in contraband materials.
What… why? Not like they are breaking out of jail. Some cigarettes a phone or dope wont make the sky fall on you
Danny Boy what's wrong with you why can't you do it stop expecting other's to do your bidding .
Oh like dangerous tobacco or weed,if someone wants to smoke while paying for their crimes by losing their liberty,let them smoke!
@Maurica McGinnis I wouldn't want to take the gamble. That and you have to been raised in generally in the same environment or the criminals will see right through you & you'll blow your cover.
@Noe wolf The prison guards say it endangers them. Drugs make inmates do more drastic things., and if jail doesn't suck as bad then people will be more likely to commit crimes if the consequences are less.
Read this book many years ago. Very good
they work like very cohort organism so fascinating
I would watch a full 2 hour doc on this