Thinking back after the end of part 1 imagine if Kevin and his chimera fought HoTE 50k years ago. With the authority of finality, he would definitely gave her a good fight
Disagree with Vishnu Kosma and Vill-V rating. Vishnu Kosma can go toe to toe with Diabolic and Vill-V MANTIS mode was an opponent to base Kevin. Other than that W.
Kosma said himself in terms of strength, he was equal to Kevin's but in real combat situation, Kevin was superior. Also, Kalpas beat Kosma with only 50% in base form, and he tanked half-Honkai Kosma before undergoing MANTIS surgery. And Kevin was much stronger than serious Kalpas, so Kosma was nowhere around these freaks' level but he had potential to surpass Kevin if he ever survived (sadly not).
@@Evil-V But if we're talking about Kosma's ability against the honkai (which is what you mentioned in another comment), he should definitely be higher because his abilities directly counters honkai and can absorb them infinitely. It was strongly implied that the reason he died during the fight between flamechasers and HoTE was due to his weak mental not being able to unleash his vishnu powers fully - something he was late able to do in the ER (with help from griseo)
Pretty sure prime Kevin still over Elysia strength, I mean, we are talking about a person who kill Herscher like killing Honkai beast with almost no difficulty.
@@jibob6959 It's been mentioned than Kosma Vishnu could evolve into a being stronger than Deliverance Kevin, who is proven stronger than HoTE. Kosma said he could take on every Kevin's Form in a contest of strength before losing his cool, while Kevin praised him he could become his (potential) successor if he lived long enough.
@@jibob6959 Kosma have the ability to devour Honkai Beast to increase his strength infinitely, the stronger the thing he eat the stronger he become, even a Herrscher was included in his list of meal But eating too much would pose a risk of going berserk, and Kosma is a timid person, he didn't want to become a monster, so unless Kosma doesn't care about anyone else then he could potentially surpassed HoTE by eating the Herrchers or even the other Fusion Warriors
Like Mobius who had restrictions on her experiments, Vill-V hadn't full authority on having access to weapons at her own convenience. She even got her budget cut by Dr. MEI after building 5th Divine Key and had to ask permission to rebuild it into cryopods 😅
In the story elysian realm kalpas dialogue say aponia is much powerful than him or something like that, I've been playing for a long time, so I might have forgotten a lot of things, but as far as I can remember, kalpas lost through aponia.
But still, Kalpas was considered top 3 fighter able to kill Herrschers solely because he was built differently. Psychic users as Aponia are weak against Honkai. The powerscale is based on strength and combat experience.
Why do I feel like aponia is too low?? Like I agree to the tier list and I dont know where to put her, but isn't she supposed to be one of the "dangerous" ones within the group esp her first appearance in the game, she just terrified us with her presence and power. Being a psy and having the ability of discipline, which is op. Just confused cuz i feel like she's too low yet at the same time i dont know where to put her. Edit: also I think you should add to the tier list su's active honkai form, the peacock which he despise transforming in to(?) i think
For Aponia's ranking being 18, espers are ineffective against Honkai, and also, they may die if they're facing strong opponents with AoE effects such as HoIce or HoB (Pre-mantis Kalpas survives both whereas 99% MANTISes would have died), or may struggle against strong-minded opponents or "tricksters" who can turn the tables (like Senti, for instance).
Another reason is that Aponia's Discipline is pretty much double-edged and she has no control over the side-effects. For example, Kalpas's "Do not harm innocents" would be ineffective if he did judge Aponia guilty for her crimes. If she ever asked "Please kill yourself", then: Fu Hua could technically get rid of the Discipline using Fenghuang Down and strike back, SU could fake his death by hijacking another body, and Eden could get a draw swallowing everything on her path with Star of Eden.
@@Evil-Vhave a question does vill v negate aponia's discipline because i've seen two sources and one of them said vill v negates it if you can please clear it up a bit;)
@@kin0326 Vill-V can partition her mind into 8, and one of them cannot be used anymore (that personality doesn't resurface again after 50k years so technically speaking, she can still do the same process 6 times max).
The other Flame-Chasers are just too strong and they are all seasoned fighters or have hax. Vill-V can def become Herrscher-level threat if you give her prep time but in real combat situation, she just comes behind Young Hua.
What is the canon ranking based off of, bc if it’s against humans Aponia is strong ig, but against the other flamechasers she isn’t? Not my aponia favoritism 100%
Based on their combat experience, known feats and powers against Honkai. We know that Aponia had zero combat experience irl and her powers had the worst matchup facing Honkai. The only reason why 2nd Key SU and Eden scale a bit higher are that under certain conditions, they can fight Honkai, or possibly Herrschers: SU who can trap his enemies in the Seed of Sumeru and wield two other Divine Keys, while Eden who can unlock Star of Eden to his fullest potential compared to Prime Welt or SU who haven't the best affinity with Star of Eden.
Griseo XL wasn’t released yet when I made this edit. If I was putting her current form in the list, I’d still think Griseo XL would be placed below Hua (her younger version).
Griseo has potential while Pardo not just the weakest FC in terms of power but it's proved she's even weaker than a regular MANTIS soldier. Her surgery doesn't grant her any special abilities besides having cat ears and tail, or maybe just enhanced senses to find good things (a sort of cat intuition). She even got sick and wasn't present during HoB tragedy.
I hope you enjoy the edit.
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Thinking back after the end of part 1 imagine if Kevin and his chimera fought HoTE 50k years ago. With the authority of finality, he would definitely gave her a good fight
That number counter thing at 0:43 is epic😮 10/10 edit!
Yeah I got a bit inspired from Mob 💯
Thanks for the review ☺️
Disagree with Vishnu Kosma and Vill-V rating. Vishnu Kosma can go toe to toe with Diabolic and Vill-V MANTIS mode was an opponent to base Kevin. Other than that W.
Kosma said himself in terms of strength, he was equal to Kevin's but in real combat situation, Kevin was superior. Also, Kalpas beat Kosma with only 50% in base form, and he tanked half-Honkai Kosma before undergoing MANTIS surgery. And Kevin was much stronger than serious Kalpas, so Kosma was nowhere around these freaks' level but he had potential to surpass Kevin if he ever survived (sadly not).
@@Evil-V But if we're talking about Kosma's ability against the honkai (which is what you mentioned in another comment), he should definitely be higher because his abilities directly counters honkai and can absorb them infinitely. It was strongly implied that the reason he died during the fight between flamechasers and HoTE was due to his weak mental not being able to unleash his vishnu powers fully - something he was late able to do in the ER (with help from griseo)
Pretty sure prime Kevin still over Elysia strength, I mean, we are talking about a person who kill Herscher like killing Honkai beast with almost no difficulty.
Kosma Full Potential >>>> HoTE
Nice edit
Facts but...
He died.
Right
@@Evil-Vcan you explain why kosma full potential stronger than herrscher of the end?
@@jibob6959 It's been mentioned than Kosma Vishnu could evolve into a being stronger than Deliverance Kevin, who is proven stronger than HoTE. Kosma said he could take on every Kevin's Form in a contest of strength before losing his cool, while Kevin praised him he could become his (potential) successor if he lived long enough.
@@jibob6959 Kosma have the ability to devour Honkai Beast to increase his strength infinitely, the stronger the thing he eat the stronger he become, even a Herrscher was included in his list of meal
But eating too much would pose a risk of going berserk, and Kosma is a timid person, he didn't want to become a monster, so unless Kosma doesn't care about anyone else then he could potentially surpassed HoTE by eating the Herrchers or even the other Fusion Warriors
So are we gonna forget that Vill-V has esay excess to many weapons of mas distruction? Fair enugh
Like Mobius who had restrictions on her experiments, Vill-V hadn't full authority on having access to weapons at her own convenience.
She even got her budget cut by Dr. MEI after building 5th Divine Key and had to ask permission to rebuild it into cryopods 😅
In the story elysian realm kalpas dialogue say aponia is much powerful than him or something like that, I've been playing for a long time, so I might have forgotten a lot of things, but as far as I can remember, kalpas lost through aponia.
But still, Kalpas was considered top 3 fighter able to kill Herrschers solely because he was built differently. Psychic users as Aponia are weak against Honkai. The powerscale is based on strength and combat experience.
Why do I feel like aponia is too low?? Like I agree to the tier list and I dont know where to put her, but isn't she supposed to be one of the "dangerous" ones within the group esp her first appearance in the game, she just terrified us with her presence and power. Being a psy and having the ability of discipline, which is op. Just confused cuz i feel like she's too low yet at the same time i dont know where to put her.
Edit: also I think you should add to the tier list su's active honkai form, the peacock which he despise transforming in to(?) i think
For Aponia's ranking being 18, espers are ineffective against Honkai, and also, they may die if they're facing strong opponents with AoE effects such as HoIce or HoB (Pre-mantis Kalpas survives both whereas 99% MANTISes would have died), or may struggle against strong-minded opponents or "tricksters" who can turn the tables (like Senti, for instance).
Another reason is that Aponia's Discipline is pretty much double-edged and she has no control over the side-effects.
For example, Kalpas's "Do not harm innocents" would be ineffective if he did judge Aponia guilty for her crimes.
If she ever asked "Please kill yourself", then: Fu Hua could technically get rid of the Discipline using Fenghuang Down and strike back, SU could fake his death by hijacking another body, and Eden could get a draw swallowing everything on her path with Star of Eden.
@@Evil-Vhave a question does vill v negate aponia's discipline because i've seen two sources and one of them said vill v negates it if you can please clear it up a bit;)
@@kin0326 Vill-V can partition her mind into 8, and one of them cannot be used anymore (that personality doesn't resurface again after 50k years so technically speaking, she can still do the same process 6 times max).
@@Evil-V what does partitioning in her mind have to do with aponia's discipline -?
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Was it mentioned anywhere that Elysia Herrscher is stronger than Kevin's Karma Form?
Why Vill v is too low XD
The other Flame-Chasers are just too strong and they are all seasoned fighters or have hax.
Vill-V can def become Herrscher-level threat if you give her prep time but in real combat situation, she just comes behind Young Hua.
What is the canon ranking based off of, bc if it’s against humans Aponia is strong ig, but against the other flamechasers she isn’t? Not my aponia favoritism 100%
Based on their combat experience, known feats and powers against Honkai. We know that Aponia had zero combat experience irl and her powers had the worst matchup facing Honkai. The only reason why 2nd Key SU and Eden scale a bit higher are that under certain conditions, they can fight Honkai, or possibly Herrschers: SU who can trap his enemies in the Seed of Sumeru and wield two other Divine Keys, while Eden who can unlock Star of Eden to his fullest potential compared to Prime Welt or SU who haven't the best affinity with Star of Eden.
Where is Adult Griseo
Griseo XL wasn’t released yet when I made this edit. If I was putting her current form in the list, I’d still think Griseo XL would be placed below Hua (her younger version).
@@Evil-V okay thank you, I was late to HI3 so I didn’t know
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Porqué Griseo siendo una niña es más fuerte que Pardo? XD
Griseo has potential while Pardo not just the weakest FC in terms of power but it's proved she's even weaker than a regular MANTIS soldier.
Her surgery doesn't grant her any special abilities besides having cat ears and tail, or maybe just enhanced senses to find good things (a sort of cat intuition). She even got sick and wasn't present during HoB tragedy.
@@Evil-V No fue esa enfermedad parte de su suerte? xD
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More explicitly maybe 😅