8 K-POP Idols Everyone Lost Respect For
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2024
- There are some K-Pop idols who lost respect among their peers but also within their fandom! From HyunA, TWICE's Chaeyoung to less known idols, these are 8 cases of that!
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For Hongbin’s case he was actually talking about the REMIX versions of those songs that was done by other people not the idols themselves. He was saying the REMIX was bad. Those who watch he twitch stream that day would know. He already apologised countless times and even turned on his stream to apologise for an hour (he cried too) but those ignorant people just ignored those facts and bluntly accused him. He did nothing wrong at all and shouldn’t have to leave the group.
Totally agree, he didn’t deserve what happened. 😢
He just being honest...
exactly he didn’t do anything illegal and it was his opinion at the end of the day maybe it was unprofessional but he apologized ppl need to move on
I didn’t know about this. But even looking at the captions of what he said about wolves and vampire, I think he was just talking about wolves and vampires and not trying to low key disrespect anyone 🤦🏻♀️
People are just toxic af these days.
@@ayleafang1188 exactly…
Irene never gave her side of the story SM just made her apologize like they do with any scandal involving their idols regardless whether it's right or wrong. Everyone just canceled her without knowing if it is the actual truth or not nor the circumstances
She apologize because its true like everyone in the vid
You got the point!! No one knows the truth and so do you
All the Red Velvet girls are known to be arrogant and rude except for Wendy and Seulgi. This has been reported many times by the Korean media. No surprise that the 3 least talented girls in that group have bad attitudes.
@@DubuKkura if you know how SM works you would understand the comment. SM has always been known to make their artist apologize rather than share their side of the story to make people understand why the scandal took place. Take Lucas for example. SM does not give a sh** about their artists as a person. They only care about making money. I still believe there was a reason behind Irene's behavior towards the said stylist.
@@DubuKkura just like seunghan that need to apologize even hiatus for have a gf n smoking before debut. Apologize because everyone make a big mistake, the right thing to do, isn't? Sigh
You've completely mischaracterised Hongbin's story. Not surprising, given you cited an unreliable source. His comments about the SHINee song were about a remix, and the vampires vs wolves comment referenced both Twilight and the friendly rivalry between EXO and VIXX. Please check the actual sources before you do this sort of video.
Poor Hongbin... 😢
Exo and vixx are literally friends, xiumin and leo are besties!
I never in a million years thought Vixx would become how they have. Their company handled the Hongbin situation horribly!
It's jellysh*t after all. Seriously I don't understand what is going in that company now but definitely nothing good if they let themselves to lose such iconic group as VIXX. But, it's their lost.
Agree and it makes me sad how they treated Binnie. I am 100% sure N didn’t renew his contract with them because of what happened with HB, he always had his members back and he must have felt frustrated that he wasn’t around to help him 😢
Not to mention gugudan...woah they would be such iconic girl group nowadays...ehh
@@Rossellinique I don't think so, they were hugely talented and had so much potential, but the agency never knew what to do with them and never give them anything to appeal the general public 😢
Irene speaking up against that stylist was def right. it's just some people cant understand
Plus she might have lied over how "harsh" Irene really was. She might have been upset but not said anything mean.
@@hyiso811 This happened at end of a day mid promotion. So both are exhausted by said time. So I can see both sides of one being to sensitive and the other being pressured to be perfect. Plus with all the issues with other SM groups wardrobe issues. I wouldn't have been surprised Irene brought up the issue and was told it was fixed so when it failed again she was upset. Though this being on this list with day 6 issue and the cat issue is crazy.
Lol are you kidding me? It was definitely not right. She should've handled the situation calmly, had level headedness, professionalism, genuine humility and proper communication. It turns out that behind the camera she's a horrific person who lacks impulse control, humility and was so entitled and thought she can look down and degrade the mere stylist just coz she's famous. She didn't even spoke the right way but in the stylist's words, just ranted with words as 'sharp as a knife' that made her froze and cry. She almost traumatized the stylist for the rest of her life. You're the one who can't understand just because you're a biased fan who lacks critical thinking. She doesn't deserve any kind of respect and deserves the backlash from the horrific thing she's done.
exactly!! Irene was in the right. The stylist was immature to bring it online
she's human! people forget that
Don’t know why fans are offended when a member of a group calls them out on stupid shit they do
He said their breath smells like crap and you're gonna defend him ? Seriously ?
@@user-lm3co1ft9g Have you attended many popular culture events that include lots of fans an indoor enclosed space? A shocking percentage of fans have absolutely terrible hygiene. The B.O is offensive, and idols are supposed to just grin and bear it.
Fans need to get their shit together. Take a shower. Brush your teeth. Wear freshly laundered clothes. Basically, be a damn adult.
@@user-lm3co1ft9g Somebody stating within the intimacy of their relationship that some people have stinky breath isn't a crime 💀
They should have used breath refreshers lol... these fans are so damn low
@@user-lm3co1ft9gyeah they should have used breath refreshers... bad breath is a sign of an Infection like tonsilitis and should probably get treated
No but why are people defending hwayoung and hyuna in the comments💀
Ppl in the comments are so delusional tho 😥
@@swduc2836 seek therapist 🤧
Because idols are human too, don't treat them like god's lol
@leejun8955 oh so dating a r*pist is fine? girl..
Somi too💀
To this day I find nothing wrong with what Hongbin said, and that's why I am so mad and disappointed at jellysh*t for leaving him alone and at those who call themselves fans of VIXX but aren't in fact.
When you don't like the remix, does it mean that you also don't like the original song? Obviously not! Also, what is wrong in saying that in his opinion song deserves a better choreography? I don't get it? With EXO, it was well known that they know each other very well and probably in private joked more harshly as friends but apparently some people cannot take even the slightest joke, delicacy of some...
As people say, If you have nothing good to say, just shut your mouth. It applies more to idols with reputations to protect
Exactly @@crudojoshuaricofort8795
@@crudojoshuaricofort8795 Ahh so idols cannot have their opinions? You know that they are still humans and have rights as every other human being right? If he would say something very stupid, something that makes no sense or is harsh then maybe I would say it was unnecesary but with what he said I don't see a problem. If remix is bad, then is bad I don't know where is the problem with that or any thing he said.
@@crudojoshuaricofort8795 But if I say something that you think is not good but is a valid critique of a song why should that get me cancelled. When did having opinions become a sin. This is why I can't stand the majority of kpop fans. Yall somehow think you own the rights to the people you claim to like and enjoy, but will end their career over bs.
It’s just truly absurd that he had to leave the group over such a thing. Whether or not ‘unprofessional’ he literally apologized and broke down. And the fact those same ‘fans’ have prolly said WAY worse things about idols just makes it even more disgusting how they treated him.
Sorry but Vixx's Hongbin did nothing. He simply complained about the remix the fans did which ruined the song.
Absolutely. He's a good guy. Sharing your thoughts about some song should not be taken personally. We all have different opinions. Social media is just cruel and full of cry babies
@@muntaha681 It was taken from Twilight as they were at that time promoting altogether very often and Twilight was a thing then, so that was just funny comparison, nothing bad meant especially that they like each other. Is just some fans love fanwars and look for small reason to hate others.
@@muntaha681You are not a starlight, stop lying and saying you are. You simply want to attack him by pretending to be a starlight to get attention.
@@paulykings2276 right, a true starlight should search for real sources instead of just jumping on the hate train just like everyone else that didn't research properly
@@muntaha681it was a reference to twilight, which people who saw the live and understood the language would have realised - but facts dont fly well in kpop apparently
Irene did what she had to do, red velvet were constantly getting bad and extremely revealing clothes (especially Joy) that they clearly were uncomfortable wearing. Irene being the good leader she is spoke up to the stylist and after that incident red velvet has been getting better and better outfits
And at least she cares enough about her members to speak up instead of just letting her members constantly get outfits they clearly are uncomfortable with
Oh stop with the coping. She is arrogant and rude ... and the least talented in that group.
@@jayceh1031Irene is good dancer and can sing. She is also the leader. Irene is very talented. Just watch her Monster performances.
@@jayceh1031how is she rude and arrogant if you were getting outfits you were uncomfortable in would you keep wearing those outfits
@@Bigbackkitten LOL! Is that how you justify her rude behavior to multiple people?
@@jayceh1031 I don’t know about multiple people I only know about the situation they talked about it the video I mean you probably didn’t see the full argument and also they gave them outfits their were uncomfortable in ever since debut if he annoyed to and probably mad so what she did was understandable not everything needs to be taken or said with respect so something’s need to be taken seriously and with a tone
I've seen the way SM stylists put their idols in uncomfortable clothes... especially Irene, Mothers always right, she ate that
that is their obligation, they are only following rules, they should not be rude with them
@@stonedrock6998 and how are you sure that theyre only doing what theyre told to and are never rude to the girls. isnt it funny if Irene were truly a ruthless person whos rude to other people then whys 60+ staff willingly wanted to defend her including the one that works from their debut. they even said that if Irene is this type of person all this time do you think theyll stay and tolerate all this bs when sm is underpaying them. why is this not enough proof that the workplace argument isnt something normal. why is this logic only applies to everyone else but her. is it because she has rbf and an introvert that its so easy for people to point fingers and step on her. its only her right
@@yanyanys Honestly, I don't know anything about how the staff treats them, but, I am an all-things-Korean follower, (if that makes any sense at all 😅😅) and I agree with the part of the staff treating them badly too. We should not only feel offended and take a side when there's only one side to a story with a lot of affection added to the soup. Now I ain't trying to victim-shame here. I don't know what really happened behind the scenes and I'm not here to Stan the wrong that Irene was claimed to have committed. I just wanna say, that I think people just like to have a say in things without really looking at the wider picture. The fact that the staff went online to publish this kind of statement (knowing fully well that a little scandal ruins their careers) just lets us know something. I know that it takes a long time for "idols" to reveal the kinds of hardships they face BTS (as in the case of LISA and the staff that was literally bullying her) but staff that know they have nothing to lose can quickly jump to social media to put up a complaint. That world is sad and scary and I feel bad for most of these self-proclaimed idols
She got electrocuted once because of wardrobe malfunction
But the stylist in question was not an sm stylist, she was part of the magazines editorial team and had nothing to do other their stage outfits. Please stop putting this idols on a pedestal.
The vixx one was so unnecessary tbh why are ppl so sensitive
Exactly. People can’t handle differing opinions smh
The hongbin situation always makes me so sad ): it was taken out of proportion, his words and the whole situation. He doesn’t deserve the hate at all especially to the extent that he had to leave vixx. He’s one of the most genuine and sweetest human being
honestly im kind of mad that how people mischaracterized his comments (eg. when he was reacting to a bad remix of a kpop song, he was critizing the remix, not the kpop song itself, but people took it as him dissing other kpop group songs). People also did not understand the context of some of his comments, such as his comment on EXO's wolf concept. VIXX and EXO share close friendships which may have allowed him to joke about EXO more and according to some of my EXOL friends, even EXO themselves didnt like Wolf apparently(?). Honestly it was infuriating that he left vixx because of this ...like so many other idols got away with much worse behaviour in comparison...
@@kwcl176 wolf is literally one of the most hated and trolled upon exo songs. Have you ever listened to the demo? no one takes it seriously, and he was probably slightly aware of it
I'm still not over what happened with Hongbin 😢 It was blown so out of proportion.. he didn't deserve all that hate. He apologized so many times but people wouldn't listen. He loved the members so much. I cried so hard when he left
I keep thinking that everything would have been different if he had his hyungs supporting him with jellys**t. But with both N and Leo at the Military service, the company did a terrible job handling his case.
Hongbin... 😭😭😭
HyunA literally went from dawn to down 😑
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HyunA lost my respect towards her
@@BTSwillalwaysbenumberone she was the only 2nd gen idol I used to watch/listen to....... and also dawn was just gaining popularity through SHINee "pentagon" song but she literally made him leave the company....... After that he was only known for being hyuna's boyfrend but not as an kpop idol😔😔😑😑
The number 1 abandoning your cat is worst.
More then wearing a symbol of hate in the middle of your chest in New York
@Lina-gb9lh I would say so yeah...not trying to downplay the other one but you obviously compared them in the expectation that everyone would agree with you, but I don't
@@Ten.ofcups Is this a rhetorical question? Of course abusing an innocent animal is worse
Unfortunately, kpop idols are not allowed to be human and make mistakes, the slightest 'scandal' however minor, can tarnish their careers and good reputation and the image that they upheld with Korean fans being the most unforgiving towards them
Depens on your definition of mistake. Forgetting your keys in your car is a mistake, however dating someone you know had involment in the suffering in so many women or participating in the mistreatment of other people ( school mate, coworkers etc...) is just gross.
Althought I completely agree with you on the fact that knets are so harsh on idols for the pettiest things. A lot of idols also lack common sense enough itelligence to avoid situations that are easily avoidable ( racyste comments for exemple).
Yes fans are harsh and idols are human too but it doesn't mean they are angels who can't do no wrong around them.
@@cvyyjg This is honestly what I was thinking - if ppl are going to say "idols are humans too" - then that means they should face valid criticism like everyone else for royally messing up or doing things out of line
ehhhh I wouldn’t call that first situation with the cat a “mistake.” That was just pure neglect and shows how that idol only cared about image, even the image of a cat
tbh most of this k-fans dc about it, its just a random post on naver
@@cvyyjgFINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE!!!
Why is hongbin heree 🥺 that man did not deserve all the hate 😢
He was rude to fans and badmouthed other idols Wdym “nothing wrong”
he's actually right with the Be Mine choreography tho
@@Soobins.noodlesur delusional 😭
@@pissonmedpmo I’m delusional? Watch the video u freak
@@Soobins.noodles”Rude” He wasn’t rude in the slightest just giving his opinion which idols can’t do. Y’all just want them to look pretty and dance like dolls.
Regarding Irene, no one even knows what she said. It's not for the public to judge. It's a private matter. We don't need to know everything.
Hyuna. Her actions and the fact that she clearly doesn’t care is disgusting. Especially because she’s built her career on female empowerment and has spoken on the sexualisation of young women/girls.
Exactly. What a hypocrite. Or she just used feminism as a cover to look like a good person. F her.
Its very easy to judge without knowing anything.
Its said that he only wacthed the videos and commented why are people accusing junhyung like he was joonyoung to me hyena dating him it's proof that he is a good guy
@@melonagirl9444The guy watched and had an inappropriate discussion of a video shot without consent. So basically he watched it, never reported it, talked about it and probably made fun of it and he continued on being friends with that guy. So yeah excuse us if we refuse to believe that he is a good guy in any way.
@@yacobeinauan9533And what else do we need to know apart from the fact that Hyuna, who was respected and loved because of her empowerment and ferocity as a woman; went on to date a man who watched hidden camera videos and then discussed it. This man basically admitted to watching a video of a woman shot without her consent, now imagine being that woman and how degrading and horrid of an act this is. This man didn’t even report it or anything. Its absolutely disgusting.
People do have bad breath. That's valid.
Maybe a breath mint policy at these events?
😂😂😂
maybe a sponsor that would distribute them freely and respectfully to each fans 😭
@@MoaArmy61304 Good thinking!
Hongbin deserved so much better. He shouldn't be in this video. His case was blown so out of proportion 😢 what's wrong with not liking a remix? People say they like the original all the time! And aside from the poking fun with the twilight-referenced joke, VIXX and EXO are friends come on. And he apologized so much. Fans asking for an apology but when they get it, they just keep hating anyway 😢 what was the point of badgering for an apology if you weren't gonna listen anyway? 😢
Coming from a Starlight of 2015 I personally think that Hongbin didn't deserve to be kicked out of the group
A short hiatus and genuine apology to idols mentioned and the fans would've been enough
His "scandal" wasn't bad at all, just said without thinking and the consequences
Sometimes I wish people would react the same to current idols actions, like Chaeyoungs especially. She actually fucked up and is not even held accountsble by many [I know this was offtopic, I just got reminded of it]
chaeyoung was actually held accountable and educated by everyone especially onces, which made her delete the photo 5mins after it was posted and issue an apology. beside she wore a shirt that has a symbol in it that i'm sure isn't a common knowledge or thought in the schools in korea but still it was very ignorant of her.
Hyuna was my ult but I've almost forgotten about her existence atp. It *seems* like her fandom really stood on the business that she didn't.
yeah, I used to be a fan of one of the trash bags from Burning Sun Scandal, I do not even remember what his name was now....
im glad that hyuna's fandom is doing what is right, no matter how much they liked her. i see hyuna-based twitter accounts being shut down. if anyone supports hyuna after this, theyre just crazy..
@@kiaa2005it’s not just about hyuna’s fans. it’s about everyone who is involved in burning sun scandal, fans lost respect for. i mean, it’s like the bare minimum. everyone who has the morals, would immediately stop supporting her. it’s not like we worshipped these idols as our gods.
@@juicyjisoox I know it's the bare minimum, but there still are obsessed (or dumb probably) fans who literally worship their faves. I saw the comments on insta (on hyuna's posts), people are still defending her, making up reasons to defend her. saying that "she didn't know" like what?? she's a grown woman. this shows how dumb fans are. this is why I said the last line that if they're still defending her they're just crazy. or uneducated/young.
@@muntaha681 anytime i see people say like oh bigbang is 5... im like bruh whatchu mean bigbang is 4 shut the fuck up LOL. I say anyone in those gcs whether or not they were in the main groupchat sharing the illegal pics and videos, anyone who was aware this was going on *cough* seungri *cough* is still a massive POS and are accomplices and should be treated as such. They had a chance to report them before it got out and do the right thing. They did not. I'm pretty sure the only reason seungri didn't get jail for being a bystander/accomplice is he probably made a plea deal of some sort maybe to rat out the others, either way no respect for him or any of them.
What happened to Irene was unfair. SM just wanted Bae to apologize. Her stylist's choice of clothing got her mic pack slipping from her gown causing her to make mistakes despite her telling before. Other backup dancers supported her yet none spoke about it. Stylist knew about the cancel culture and used it to her advantage in my opinion.
2:09 nah he was so real for that, an idols job is to dance and sing, aegyo and that shit is expected but not compulsory, i actually rate hwayoung for what he said
The delivery though..
"their breath smell like crap"
@@y53r1sliv1ng He said that to a person he has intimacy with tho? That's normal.
@@lilyonlydalaurinharight that’s exactly how I would deliver it to a close friend 💀 shits funny people mad they breath smell bad
What's with you all??
They are his fans he should be polite and genuine and not this rude to someone who
Loves you and roots for you!!
Let's not do that to hongbin........
Exactly like wtf
Have you seen the clothes RV were wearing prior the fight? Please.
There's a thing called professionalism and humility. No matter the situation is, verbal abuse and harassment should never be condoned ever, no matter what, where, and with whom. Grow tf up.
But all you have is one version of events. You don't even know what actually happened. I would call that the ultimate in immaturity.@@joeblack7326
@@joeblack7326 whatever floats your boat babes
And yet instead of trying to figure/ handle the situation privately (w Irene and the company) and admit and fix her mistakes she decides to bring this online say how she cried knowing damn well Irene was going to take massive amount of heat from netizens, and not to say what irene did was 100% right, she could’ve said it in more calmer manner but we also don’t know the whole story this’s could’ve been in the heat of the moment where people where arguing and plus considering the UNCOMFORTABLE and quite frankly inappropriate outfits female idols are often made to wear i def can’t blame for being upset, to wear smt not secure and having to see your members go through that as well would have to be pretty frustrating, idols and esp girls and women are always and have always been made to look appealing even at the expense of their comfortability
@@felixsfrekles The stylist has an audio recording of her horrific verbal harassment and said she'll do everything to do something about it coz she felt degraded and inhumanely harassed for the first time in 15 years. SM might have heard the recording through inside sources and were shocked of it and they forced the verbal abuser to apologize coz it's a concrete evidence that would be much more devastating and worse for them and might end her career and her group as well if it's leaked in public. If the stylist was overreacting and lying about her being verbally abused, then why didn't SM just let her leak the recording and sue her for character defamation coz it isn't really that horrific and sickening as she claimed it to be? They would have just prove the stylist claims are false and buried the issue. But no, what makes the audio recording so scary that even a huge company like SM chose the "apology" path instead of proving that the stylist claims are wrong? Think about it for a second. And I mean seriously, do you think the verbal abuser deserves to be talked in private calmly after being verbally abused by her? She is not the stylist mother, her employer, or her slave. The verbal abuser has no right to verbally harass her.
And for the record, still verbal abuse should not be condoned any where, what, and whom. No one deserves it. If you do you should be ashamed of yourself. Try to put yourself in the stylist's shoes and see how you like being yelled at for twenty minutes when you're a veteran who has been in the industry for 15 years and whatever your client is saying is harsh enough to make you cry and you're just so utterly humiliated that you wonder why you're even in this industry. Oh, and at the end of the day your client is pampered by her fans while you're left to pick up the pieces of yourself that she has broken. We should not deny what has happened nor should we oppress the voice of the victim just because she is your idol. The stylist she bullied is someone's child. Possibly someone's sister. She could have been your family, your sibling. Don't forget about values and morality in life just coz you love your idol's face.
Hongbin is saying abt the REMIX yall be comparing his issue with others ?? like be fr😂
Hongbin is just a pure misunderstanding by so called "fans" . He just comment on the remix edit online that was done by some fans. Then, that "fans" just bluntly accused him for not liking the original song version.. lol
The guy who complained about meet and greets with 700/800 fans is legit in his complaint, and I'm sorry he was betrayed by the person who leaked it. He just wanted to let some steam off and give his honest feelings, and he thought he could trust whoever he was talking to. We've all had complaints about people or things and vented to someone, but it's just so dirty when that someone discloses a private conversation to the public/others.
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Irene should not be hated….cuz we actually dont really know everything…..remember she is the leader and carries a lot of responsibilities and why nobody cancelled beyonce when we know she is very rude to her staff when they do a mistake, why we dont cancel out bosses when they call us out??? This new generation GenZ is. Veryyyy sensitive and loveeeeee to follow hate trends
I remember when Tiffany posted on iG some Japanese stickers and she was canceled for the show she was on, "Sisters Slam Dunk"
just for that? damn
no it was her using a Snapchat filter and it had the rising sun symbol
@@sorenwestcoastshe posted a pic of the japanese army's flag on the independence day of Corea, that's why everyone got mad, bc it was a very sensitive day
@@sorenwestcoast The rising sun flag is Korea and China's swastika. It was imperial Japan's flag back when they were invading and brutalizing Asia.
All the idiot Westerners complaining that Chaeyoung didn't recognize the Nazi swastika, when people like you don't even know the significance of the rising sun flag.
Hongbin did not deserve what happened to him 😔
The hate he got was beyond me, but they also went after the other members with their hate. I even recieved death threats from these 'fans' who attacked VIXX
Once you critics idol kpop thats the end of your career in korea ent.
He has the right to voice his opinion. If he was a western artists everyone would have bragged about him being an honest person. I miss Hongbin in Vixx.
Agree, he was a genuine good guy. The social media world is just cruel
@@muntaha681 He was making a Twilight joke with EXO, if that's what you're referring to. They promoted at the same time and had a friendly rivalry going on.
Honestly some of the reasoning for an K-pop “scandal”, “drama” is so stupid and dumb. Knetz will “cancel” and argue about anything. Now I know that there are a few instances where some of the actions of these idols are really bad and there’s no excuse for their behaviour but I’ve been a k-pop fan for a while now and often I see videos like these and I’m just dumbfounded by the amount of headlines about idols doing something small and fans will make it a big deal and try to out them out or “cancel” them. Koreans will hold such a high standard for these idols yet they are the same people who literally would do the same thing behind close doors
Well, most of those "scandals" seem to be blown out of proportion. Like one slip up and their so-called fan's turn on the idols.
I mean for example. saying you are disgusted to have to hold 700-800 of hand in ONE day is understandable, especially if some of those fans have poor hygiene - it's normal to complain in private about that. Just because the fans pay money doesn't mean the idols have to endure everything with a smile. Or with the stylist, we only know her part of the story. Just because she screamed first doesn't make her the victim. If anything, she was truly unprofessional complaining that the idol didn't give her attention at first. She didn't even specify why they blew up on them so that nobody could target them for potentially butchering their job. The image of an idol is their livelihood, and a bad stylist could do some serious damage to that. It also takes a vile person to go straight to the Internet with their complaints, knowing that the "annonym" idols always get identified and their careers/lives damaged long-term. It should have been handled intern/privately.
Ok I just listened about what was said about Hongbin's and I wanna set the record straight as someone who watched the actual stream.
1. Shinee's Everybody
About the "Everybody" criticism, he wasn't talking about the song itself, he was criticising about the choice of letting Everybody play alongside a freaking Digimon song. His critique at that part was actually VERY TAME. My opinion: It was an abomination to the ears and if cringe was a unit of measure, it'd be in the scale of the thousands!
2. The "Red Flavor"remix
Without context, yeah, it would sound like what he said about the remix is bad. But if you guys actually listened to the clip, would you guys think otherwise? At first listen I thought to myself that it wasn't that bad. But after listening a second time I would say that Hongbin's statement was really tame, because the remix sounded like it was recorded next to a blender that was making a smoothie out of huge chunks of ice. It's THAT BAD. Also the one who made that remix admitted that, yes, it was bad.
Edit:
Ok I might've been too harsh here but yeah. To actually sum up how it sounded, it sounded like the editor was more focused on the melody, heavily synthesized it and blending the voices of RV themselves was like an afterthought. It sounded like Red Velvet was singing behind the window of the house that blasted the synthesized version of the melody in their room.
3. The "Wolf" statement
It's obviously a Twilight joke. Also the ones who spread this part conveniently left out the part that he said this afterwards. "In the end, vampires and werewolves all coexist and live together in harmony."
I'm not gonna defend him on the Be Mine choreo critique because yeah in my opinion I agree that it was kinda rude. Still, he is entitled to his opinion. And also do take note that he said all of this... WHILE DRUNK!!! (I'm surprised that the creator of this vid omitted that fact since it was a drunk stream.)
Thanks for clarifying everything that the clip conveniently failed to address and that most people dont take the trouble to find out facts (bcos it's so much easier to be a lazy hater than a responsible kpop consumer)❤❤❤
@@kaypreciation1 thanks aswell, though I think I might've been too harsh on my second commentary, I'll have to add a little bit into it :'D
Mayve we could also mention that Hongbin was highly drunk when he made these Comments (3 Bottles of Soju and a Bottle of Wine do that to you), so it's not like he can be held accountable in the same Way as other People here. We'd also have to consider that 9 Apologies were issued. Not mentioning these Facts is just misrepresenting the Case and played a huge Part in this Event getting entirely blown out of Proportion and him having to leave the Group.
I'd also like to add that Hongbin made an HOURS long apology right after the stream. He went on hiatus and still apologized whenever he got the chance until he left VIXX.
Its not fair to judge Irene out of the blue like, especially considering how much of a pain Sm can be
It's scary to think that the idols we cherish and adore and spend thousands of dollars on could be doing some horrible shit behind our backs and even talking shit about the fans
Like how we talk sh*t about people in our lives or around us or customers we serve etc. I mean no no tell me how they are above all that just because they have sick fans screaming their names. Did they transcend, become more than human. And really you know some of them got some breath that could probably bring down a bull.
Don't worship celebrity
This is the exact reason why you shouldnt put your faith in celebrities, but also lots of people in general because humans suck. But celebrities get away with doing tons of horrible stuff due to how much money they have or even how big their fanbases are.
Tbh idk why y'all r pretending like ppl never talk shit about others, they're humans too and it's overwhelming to interact with so many ppl plus he vented to a close friend who leaked it
Bastard for hurting and neglecting his cat. Irresponsible!
"Sweet idol they used to see". Well maybe because all of them are humans after all, and have emotions and limits as all of us. It's so sick that so many people cannot get their head around the fact that idols are in fact just humans, and they have right to have opinions and to state them, they also have right as every human to stand for themselves.
Don’t forget Kris Wu
I need to know one thing from all the people who are calling chaeyoung all those stupid names have they never made any mistake in their life. Not every country teaches history of whole world. Let alone she was already a trainee at such a young age she barely got to attend her lectures.
The moment she knew she apologized but what are you guys doing calling her names sending her threatening messages, is this not wrong?
Also she didn't wore that top on multiple occasions she just wore it once. She just posted her photos multiple times
Note: this comment is not for throwing shade to the channel owner I know he/she is just doing their job. This is just a shade for people who are just using this as an opportunity to send hate to chaeyoung
The ridiculous ones
Somi - > Starbucks was always neutral. They sued a pro-Palestine union for using the Starbucks logo for their agenda, which is Starbucks trying to protect their trademark. Idk how TikTok narrated this story, but combined with the fact that the Starbucks founder supports Israel, people misunderstood the whole scenario and started boycotting the brand. Starbucks's founder isn't the CEO and must have other means to make money. Its not like Starbucks ignored it, but they did clarify their stance, but people don't care. Starbucks America no longer owns Starbucks in Korea. They sold their shares in 2021, and the companies that bought Starbucks Korea acquired the licensing rights to use the brand. And people are acting as if Boycotting Starbucks will end the war LOL. So Somi's actions weren't Wrong, but again if she wasn't in a position to correct this misunderstanding and got caught up in the hate train, she should have been a bit careful.
Vague ones
Irene -> Like as much I understand, unless people take things public, the Company and idols don't take action, but I hope such misunderstandings are resolved internally. This person just accuses Irene and again says it is a misunderstanding. Companies aren't the idol's mothers, but idols know better than anyone that image damage puts a damper on their careers. I know all idols aren't perfect, but at least they should be professional when working because their actions even damage the group's image.
The reasonable one
Chae-young -> What Chae-young and JYP did was wrong. As much as I understand why some people can't forgive her, I understand why she must not been aware of the swastika symbol. She debuted when she was 15, which means she didn't have a proper school life, and studies must have been hard to cope with. JYP probably gives them PR training on things that should have been avoided, but we don't know if they have touched on global historical stuff. If the idols are unaware, The company should be responsible for educating them and monitoring their social media activity. If they want their idols to be globally promoted they should have a team educated on the global news. But She wore this T-shirt to schedules in the US and no one bothered to tell her she shouldn't be wearing it. I know there are people who can no longer forgive her actions and that's fine. Still, I do wish people could give her a second chance considering she apologized immediately the moment she was notified, which at least means she wasn't aware of the severity of the symbol, but the moment she knew, she apologized. I know it's the bare minimum, but this shows she is a person who takes accountability for stuff when things go wrong. Idols usually hide behind their company or use their Korean card when they do stuff that upsets international fans, especially CA. but very few apologize personally before the company releases a statement
I love you for this. The only sane one in this comment section.
In Chaeyoung's case, isn't that symbol commonly seen in Korea as a good luck symbol? Could it have been possible that she thought it was normal because the symbol is present in some Asian cultures?
@@moonl1ghtsunrise , the nazi adaptation of the Swastika is Hakenkreuz, which is tilted. Swastika is usually flat like the plus symbol, while the hakenkreuz is like multiplication symbol. But WW2 is something that is covered in history classes across the world, especially the incidents that took place under Hitler. Well-known clothing stores, even the locally famous ones(which usually have a chain like TJ Maxx in the USA or Westside in India), do not even sell any shirts with this symbol. The fact that Chaeyoung wore such a shirt means she got it from a local shop(a small shop owner). Maybe she bought it for aesthetics, but it makes her look so bad because it will even look like she hunted for that shirt to wear it. Big Kpop agencies are pushing their groups globally; maybe they are educating their idols. But again GFRIEND's member also got backlash for a similar incident, so Kpop agencies should be informing their idols when these incidents happen.
@@moonl1ghtsunrise it's based on a religious symbol, which you will find very common in buddhist cultures.
Asian countries do not focus on Hitler and Nazis and related symbols, it's not in history books, it's not that important in Asia as much as Westerners want it to be. Just like most Westerners do not know or feel its that important about atrocities by the Japanese Army during ww2. Most Asians would know about the rising sun because that's the Asian version of Nazis and we have it in our History books.
People who kept insisting "Everyone Knows" are bigots.
@@wllo99I am not too sure about east Asia but in Middle East and South Asia(mainly India) I know that they teach about nazi germany in history classes so you can't say Asia as a whole and even though I don't have much of an idea I still think it is probably taught in east Asia as well for that being such an important event I might be wrong tho
1 idol got lost respect of everybody including fellow idol
the chae young one is reasonable imo, it was definitely wrong but it’s the intention. it’s not like she wore that to support it she was just very ignorant about the history of it.
That's how I feel about the situation. She ain't a Nazi, but she did wear a tasteless shirt thinking it was okay cause it was a band tee. I feel she got called out immediately and correctly, she deleted and got rid of the shirt and apologized, and hasn't reoffended, so I'm chill for now
See this , I mean regardless if you know the history or not , this was the style back in the punk rock days. And YESS the intention , she just wore it for fashion and all these people are saying all this dumb shiii about her. Like damnnn it’s just a shirt , it’s them making it SUCH a big deal over nothing. You could just tear the shirt in half and there you go. 🤦🏻♀️ problem solved for all those sensitive ass people. She already apologized but dummies are still hating her for it 🤦🏻♀️
she's didn't even knew shit abt that band or the meaning behind the shirt, she just wore it for the aesthetic and that's why we can see her wearing that tee at least ten times on camera plus those ig posts. she knows nothing about it, but didn't even had the dignity to cover the nazi symbology just in case people call her out for that. we have two conclusions here:
1. she's defo stupid (not in the ouu my goofy pookie 🥺🥺 way y'all try to pull of to defend her and make her look awfully ignorant abt the ww2)
2. she's a nazi
if this controversy were from a nugu group nobody would hesitate to cancel them for life. check out your double standards to call the chaeyoung situation "reasonable". ;-;
@@Jazzy-Mintz Chaeyoung Q shirt.jpg
@Jazzy-Mintz I admit she was wrong but it's so damn annoying to see people on tiktok complaining about her "not being held accountable" as if they havent been harassing her on the DAILY for a YEAR
It's crazy how you can't even say you don't like another K-pop song without getting kicked out the group. Hongbin not liking the songs has nothing to do with the fans.
Regarding Jay, dude obviously didn't mean harm so ruining his career over 1 mistakes is dumb.
Regarding Chaeyong. It's just a freaking shirt with a singer on it.
I swear K-pop fans might be one of the most sensitive and toxic people
Yes, they are. I am also kpop fan but I am definitely not so sensitive, I am to old for that sh*t I swear. Also priorites, some of them lack it.
Can someone plz explain to me why are ppl in the comments deffending trashy idols.
When we are talking about idols, everything is allowed and if you disagree, they cancel you. That's why a leave that shit, some people make the experience with kpop be the worse. They cant date, it's a big thing, a crime, but wearing a swastika is not? She's a grown woman with wifi at her iphone and doesnt know about fvcking Nazi symbol, where does she lives? Never saw in a movie? Nothing in pop culture stuff? TV? Nothing?! Biiiitch, whaaaat?! I don't believe it!
Shiiiii I'm still trying to figure that out myself too
Bc unfortunately a lot of people in the kpop community are like that.
Bc fans refuse to believe their sweet beautiful idols aren't as innocent as the industry wants you to believe
They're just a bunch of low lifes who are addicted to drugs and alcohol 🤷♂️🤷♂️
For Somi it’s just a reusable cup
Exactly!
😂sure where there's a ban where idols can't promote a brand that they dont have contract with was a thing. B
"REUSABLE CUP" okay
She clearly showed it off on purpose stop tryna act stupid 💀
she did this all for attention, Nobody innocent in these times would post something like this and would call it a day.
any update on the cat in shelter? hope he finds the right owner so sad what happened on him
infinite's Be Mine is one of the most memorable dances of their generation, the song is iconic. To each their own i guess.
I really wanna know why you only focus on the negative side of Kpop but never the positive one that's why I never trust Kpop drama channels they always want attention from Kpop stans no matter if it's good news or bad news but drama channels always focus on negative stuff since it draws the most attention but GIRL I'm tired of it that's why I keep myself away from most Kpop fans since the toxicity only gets more ridiculous and unrealistic where I feel like Kpop fans are also a part of the problem as well
Same 💯🎯
Honestly, I’d love for her to cover more redemption stories and start standing up for idols who have been wronged by either the fan culture or the industry. To be someone who jumps on the repairs for idols, once there is enough information.
Change has to start somewhere and she has a large enough platform to mix it in. To be a welcome voice for it and not have a reputation of farming negativity for interactions like the article sites lean on.
But IS it most kpop fans... most I see. ADORE their stars, not bitch about them like spiteful teens.
Chaeyoung never lost the respect 💀
Racist ??? Nazi simbol mehhh dat shit can not past ..shy need to by disband
She didn't lose it as a whole, but some people don't stan her anymore
Honestly I think this just shows why companies shouldn’t debut minors that haven’t finished school. Is it really Chaeyoung’s fault that she never learned the implications of the symbol?
still overall she didnt@@Alaris_
She did a lot And TBH even as a once for me too
That thing was not for once and multiple times
Hyuna lost everything on one photos
Not the delulus in the comment section getting offended💀💀💀.
Right like tf the hate is accurate
Nothing more delulu than actually hating on these people. It's not normal human behaviour.
im totally on irenes side. she isnt at fault, people are just way too stupid and getting mad at irene for stupid reasons.
Irene was right lmao zimzalabim era’s outfits were such a mess. Look at them now almost no bad outfits since 2021
For Hongbin it was completely different. His words were taken out of context and haters twisted his words. He is still very much loved and missed by Starlights⭐💙
The hate with Somi and the Starbucks cup is dumb
not really honestly
I support STARBUCKS AND ISRAEL 🇮🇱.
@@Vimanas.8209 oh!..
Maybe because you don't know the severity of the situation
@@thedollsworld I do, more than others see it.
Palestine is AN AXIS OF EVIL … WORSE THAN IRAN 🇮🇷 OR NORTH KOREA 🇰🇵 …..
Irene did what she had to do because she listens to her fans and group
Apparently she also lacks impulse control, humility, and professionalism coz she should've let the stylist know it calmly and in private, but turns out she is a verbal abuser. And verbal abuse should not be condoned ever, no matter what where and whom, whatever your reason is. All religions doesn't condone it. She is not the stylist mother, employer, or slave so she doesn't have the right to verbally harass her. This is about morals and values, not about listening to fans and groups.
@joeblack7326
Use a dictionary maybe? Harassing is REPEATEDLY disrespecting, bullying. Is that what happened? Nope
@@human7491 Yes.
@@human7491that is quite literally what happened
@@meIatonina one off call out of somebody being shit at their job is not bullying lmao
The Owner of this chanel must smoke some really strong shitt when he thinks that Cheayoung is over.
Your comment made me laugh on the "smoking strong shit" part😂😂😂
As a german I can't watch any twice anymore or Listen to it because of chaeyoung. And my french-german friend also can't anymore. In Germany this girl Would be in jail.
Chill out bro, it's not like she's fully aware of the context. I mean these girls started training as early as age 8-10 and they never get to study in school and know about history, especially from a small country in Korea who doesn't even know English that well. In their teens they spend their time dance practicing, tours, working outs, vocal coaching and they don't even get to watch TV, news, and especially politics. Korean women are modest are innocent mostly and I bet that she doesn't even have a single clue about the design of the shirt she wore, and that doesn't make her wrong. There's African natives who don't know Biden is, natives in the jungles of Mexico who never heard of Taylor Swift and so on. I mean if she's born in Europe I bet she'll never even touch the shirt, right? Have an open mind here and see the big picture. Social media now is just filled toxic with over sensitive people who cry over the simplest things and make a big deal about it.
@@joeblack7326 First DON'T call me Bro, second she was 14 when she got accepted as a trainee. That means she is in the age group to learn basic knowledge as freaking world wars. So this statement you wrote was false.
@@joeblack7326 And what you wrote about the african natives and natives in the jungle of mexico or even south america are these countrys as digital and well connected to All the other countrys as korea is? I think not
@@joeblack7326 she wore a n*zi Shirt she literally just straight up insulted every german, french Person, polish Person, jewish Person, Italien Person and so many more so no we are not sensitive
@@Sammy12321 Calm down bro. You're literally overreacting over a freaking t-shirt. Do you think you're just being close minded and not trying to understand the context here? Apparently she has no idea and grasp of knowledge about that sign, and when she did, she apologized. She did nothing wrong here, and just happens she didn't have the knowledge in awareness about it. She was 14 when she got accept as trainee, but do you know if she actually went to school and had history classes? Do they prioritize teaching it over the history of Korea, their wars and such? Do you think a 14 year old brain who isn't driven to be a full time student would have grasp the depth of that knowledge, religiously remember dates of events, people involved and remember it all along when her teenage life and focus is mostly occupied by her intense training to be an idol? Think about it. Don't expect people from the other side of the world to have the same knowledge, thinking, and understanding of things. Many people are unaware of many things even if they're old. That's not how the world works. Different judge, hard to culture.
In Irene's case, I can never blame her because everyone can has issue and get mad over something. You're not a human if you never get mad at someone that bad. Only because she's an artist, she's the only one who's got it bad. Everyone suddenly sees her as a 'criminal'. Lmao
Irene was in her right to yell at that woman. The stylist messed up. And that mess up Lead to Irene having to HOLD her mic pack that FELL OFF her dress and Joy having dress malfunctions that nearly led her being exposed to millions of viewers. I would've thrown stuff at that stupid stylist. You have ONE job which you're being paid A LOT of money to do. If you don't do it right, you're liable for ruining MULTIPLE people's reputation. I respect Irene for standing in her moral ground and yelling at that idiotic stylist. That woman deserves to get fired and for her job to be forever compromised for being a moron.
Now you know very well that that is not what happened. You don’t have to spread lies to defend Irene when the issue has been dealt with. The stylist doesn’t work on stage outfits she was part of the magazine editorial team.
Conflict ?? Its Genocide!!
Israel is a Jewish state
The comment I was looking for!
finally someone who uses their brain
Terrorism too!
Wrong. Educate yourself. The word genocide is totally misapplied in this situation. The population of palestine has been increasing exponentially. There has been a population boom. Half of the population is under 18 yo because they are breeding rapidly. If this is a genocide, it's the worst genocide ever. It's actually opposite to a genocide.
Now if you are relating the word genocide to the deaths after the Massacre of Oct 7th when Hamas massacred all the Jews then even here you use the word inappropriately as do all the pro-palestinians. The definition of genocide is the "destruction of a race of people" and it usually involves destruction of a large percentage in order to acieve that aim. Less than 1% of palestinians have died after the Oct 7th massacre. In addition the death count is reported by Hamas, the terrorists, believe it or not. So 27000 is more like 2700. The 'genocide' term couldn't be used more inappropriately.
I mean, I'm living online and didn't know about Starbucks boycott until this channel so maybe Somi missed it too?
she still hasn't apologised. Shes gotten sm hate i deof think she realised. Same thing happened with jake fron enhyphen and he apologised
Same, and I even watch videoa about geopolitics and stuff. Don't know about Starbucks. We don't even have one in our country and never did.
Kpop fans r going crazy spamming abt the boycott soo
Unless she comes forward and clears up the misunderstanding we can't make excuses for her
If u didn't know abt the boycott bfr that's fine but now yk :)
unlike you,Somi doesn't live under a rock, She's so updated about the whole situation,Well who doesn't know it?
@@Abbieh07CB I just have stuff to do irl other than follow everything that happens on the internet. Idk what brands yall choose to boycott this time among many that are fine with what Israel is doing. Literally saw a long list of pro-Israeli brands, but heard about boycotting just Starbucks? I'm to old to follow yall "woke" agendas that are very selective, close-minded and hypocritical. And I believe Somi, as a grown adult with a lot of work and responsibilities, can also miss some stuff.
about irene, before the style controversy.. she have been targeted for everything she does even when she is truly innocent.. the stylist story actually is not true but u know haters and company apologize systems, they don't even care about the truth
LOL! So why did she apologize? Stop defending her bad attitude.
@@jayceh1031 lol because the company system..im not defending..just saying the fact.. that's why they are so many suicide at korea cause haters n media just need some scandal to ruin people life. Company just want to save theirs company but anyways, haters and negative minds always never listen and realise what the mistakes they do until they get caught. crying apologizing not to get exposed. i hope the negatives people will be gone so one will end their life on a desperate situations Amen #stay
@@nigirlsamantha8888 LOL! Oh stop with excuses. Stop worshiping idols and defending bullies.
@@jayceh1031🙄😒
if i was irene i would do that too like pls
Then you're f**ked in the head. You lack impulse control and professionalism when everything should have done privately and calmly. You condoning verbal abuse is sickening. You should be ashamed of yourself
Everyone?? Definitely over exaggerate.
Can't say I have much against any of these people. This just gave me hatred for the people who actually assume the worst from everyone just to have an excuse to hate.
If I was an idol, I would throw out gifts from fans too. God knows what they put in there. Better safe than sorry. People should not get mad on that, have some brains, please. Most fans/ppl already treat kpop idols inhumanely.
Yeah ever since chaeyounv did that I lost respect for her. Like how do you not know about the holocaust?
how do u know shit about the story of the symbol? almost identical one is used in buddhism and its literally everywhere in Korea EVEN IN FRONT OF JYPS BUILDING so there is high possibility of confusing those here
@@scytzubut we cannot ignore the fact that the symbol was used as a symbol of hatred towards the Jewish. You can't ignore that.
@@twentythree5941 can you read
@katie_su3443 is just a bigot that thinks the whole world revolves around her. she dictates what everyone MUST know, and is in charge of the global education and information dissemination system. She alone is able to verify what everyone knows or not know.
@@scytzuYou clearly don't know anything about the symbol because if you did you would know they're visibly different. There's not a high possibility of confusing them, especially when Sid Vicious is on that same shirt
I'll never understand the Somi hate
Not supporting terrorist it s a reason to be hated nowadays 😂
she's mediocre and weird and annoying but if that wasn't enough she promoted a company that funds genocide for money because she doesn't make any from her flop music career
Same ridiculous
Same
@verminlord666 I don't know why people keep believing this, when all the info from international and respected financial and news sources debunked that Starbucks was sending money.
Here we go again
i don’t know who hwayoung is but i think the hate to him is stupid. everybody complains about their jobs. and it’s not like he said it to his fans faces. k-pop fans have such unrealistic standards towards idols. don’t they realize they are people too?! i bet most idols complain about obsessive fans, literally anybody would. they are so annoying. netizens need to realize idols are humans.
They really gon try and cancel Somi for a freaking cup meanwhile international females going crazy for a "Starbucks Stanely Cup" because a car caught fire and the ice didn't melt
S/N: Chaeng strikes me as smart.. I believe she wore a shirt not as a symbol of hate but as tribute to the artist she just listens to music and has respect for artistry as an artist so she wore a shirt with sid vicious as who he was and aint nothing wrong with that.. Netizens don't do her!
Yes like one cup is wrong but other is good wtf
i dont like Somi for the same reason cus I wont like anyone who buys and esp promote starbucks or any of those companies that support isr*al, however u do have a point on the stanley cup situation cus that shit was crazy...
Somi was straight up promoting a brand that supports g3noc!de in the middle of their boycott,we have ever right to cancel her
Its not abt it being a cup its about the timing , unless she clears up the misunderstanding (if there is one) then she should be canceled
When people say they are woke but majority of people actually aren’t. I can guarantee once a new tragedy happens/is revealed in the world, all these people will be flocking back to Starbucks like nothing had happened.
Those who were waiting for Seungri
👇
He’s not in the industry anymore, why talk about him.
Hongbin also yet he is here so that's not a reason. @@Emu-emu
He is criminal🙂
Yeah we talked about a girl who wore a punk shirt, a guy who didn't like a song, and a girl who drank the wrong coffee. But no mention of Seungri and Himchan who went to jail.
Jae (Eaj now) and Jamie are still friends, but that situation disgust me anyway
Ironic cause Chaeyoung in mexico is viral right now😭 everybody's whipped for her, and tbf she's literally glowing right now.
Why is that your point when they're talking about her antis3mit1c actions? Nobody cares if she's trending in mexico rn, she wore a symbol of ppl who committed g3noc1de on multiple groups of people. If your only point is to call it "ironic cuz she still has fans" then you need to get your morals in check instead of just blindly supporting ppl like that.
that’s not what they’re saying-at all. they’re just pointing out that people didn’t “lose their respect for her” as much as this video or video title assumes
Chaeyeong also got the loudest pop from the crowd in their latest Philippines concert. I don't know why she's on the list of the video tbh
This video is just a compilation of people that had controversies in the past (some years before 2023). Some have recovered from it, some have not. So it is quite false to say that "everyone" lost respect for all of them, when some are still getting jobs and are still quite popular.
@@nanovave I don't get why people of the internet always get riled up when it comes to having "high moral compass". It's a shirt she wore by mistake. Move along and maybe donate to palestine if y'all really care. Yapping about your moral compass in the internet sounds like a waste of time. Actually do something instead💀
Did you guys notice that this account never posts about TWICE’s comeback or good achievement but only posts when there is something bad to talk about them
I mean Twice isn't relevant anymore these days. They peaked with "What is Love?" and everyone went to hiatus or do solo albums. They still sold out concerts but it's not like they're still getting new fans. Lots of new groups are way ahead and popular than them. Just facts
It's a blink account
@@joeblack7326 seriously?this acc even announce about comebacks but they never announced twice cb
They talk about brand deals about other except twice
Apart all these twice sold so many stadiums and where are the news...it's totally clear now who's in the fault
@@joeblack7326"not relevant" is that why they're literally selling out stadiums?? Lmfao please just keep ur mouth shut
Nah fr, they only post twice when it comes to dragging ppl
Hyuna really was never about EMPOWERMENT
Hongbin’s the real one tho. I'm a fan os all these groups and he was y fav in VIXX and I don't see where's the problem. He was just too honest for these delulus, besides he's never offended members themselves, he was throwing shade towards producers and choreographers alongside with those who created the concepts. He said nothing wrong. My friend and I talk the same shit about albums and MVs, because, shoker, groups cannot exist for years and have spotless discography or perfect dances and MVs every single time AND that's ok. BTW the guy who didn't like touching hands and stinky breaths was so real for that too. 😭
hongbin did nothing wrong LMFAO
Exactly, he’s just an asshole, but everybody is these days anyways.
LOL because he had his own opinion. Ok. xD I hope you don't have any opinion as well, that would be rude. Also from what was posted here he said nothing wrong. And mostly nothing wrong about other idols.@@aricalay9962
@@aricalay9962I assume when you said asshole you were looking in a mirror? 😙
It's not just the idols fault, some of them apologized but the one who is at fault here are the toxic K-pop fans.
That's why these popular idols get hate because of your unnecessary toxicity to them...
Yall could never make me hate Irene. Plus she never shared her side of the story
Simps are always like that. Living in denial thinking their favourite idol is perfect like an angel. The whole situation with her case is crystal clear.
Somi has NOT apologized for Starbucks controversy do not lie
yup
she just adress the hate she was reviving by putting herself as a victim she never properly apologized just removed the video if you talk about jake in comparison he was also drinking Starbucks in one of his lives but instantly he switches his Cup remove the Starbucks cup and apologized to the fans as well which is what an apology is and not just deleting some post I honestly doubt have morals if she would have apologized I would have actually believed that he was sorry but she didn't
it just shows that she is not helding herself accountable for her mistake which at this point does not even look like mistake it seems like she intentionally use the empty Starbucks Cup from the new Starbucks collection in her video for no reason
Maybe because she was paid
I hope she hasn't. Idols need to stop apologizing to foul puritans going after them for nothing.
So what, if it means she supports Israel then she's on the right side of history.
How the fuk is the 2nd one a problem. If I had to shake hands with hundreds of fans with bad hygiene and being called oppa even if it's uncomfortable. I 100% have the right to complain in private. It's not like he broadcasted, he literally did it in a freaking private message. I complain about my teachers, classmates (not friends), and people in the bus' bad hygiene when they get closer to me. I complain to either my family or friends, it's not a crime
Wait so Somi got in trouble over a cup? Jfc people need to get a life. 🤦🏻♀️
dyk whats even happening rn- its not js a cup
You're ignorant. Educate yourself
@@doumissurdora Starbucks doesn’t operate in Israel or use Israeli products. Boycotting Israel is pure virtue-signaling and doesn’t help a single Palestinian.
@@youtubeidok Buying starbucks doesn't support israel in any way lmao. People want to cancel them for going after a union which was used for wartime activism. You don't even know why they want to cancel starbucks lmao
And Chae got in trouble for wearing a punk shirt, and that one guy got in trouble for not liking a song. Kpop fans are nuts.
I feel like if you keep doing it without apologizing then I feel like you deserve to lose the respect bc yes we all make mistakes but if you keep doing it without apology then yikes
Considering I'm a girl group stan, I didn't knew about number 1. As a cat mom I am seething. I've always had mutts because they're less overbred. I happened to have the luck that a mutt kitten I adopted turnt out to be a halfbreed (half-oriental short hair). She had 1 litter before I had her spayed (the dad was a mutt). Halfbreeds are the true lottery prize and I've updated my adoption preferences from mutts to mutts & halfbreeds. Halfbreeds are healthier but still have purebred traits. Even my quarter-breds have a few purebred traits each like her eldest daughter loves playing fetch- behavior more commonly found amongst Oriental cats & Siamese. Her kittens were each a surprise of their own because of their mixed traits.
i remember not believing the news of chaeyoung wearing that shirt, i was just so so shocked how could she even do that. i lost all of my respect for her and her fans and i dont think i can look at her the same since im very patriotic to my country and we got affected badly by WW II
Some of this are kinda stupid to hate on them for… I can think of wayyyyyyy worse kpop idols than should be on here. The burning sun incident wants even on here..
Literally like Somi didn't do anything.
We talked about a guy who didn't like a song, a girl who wore a punk shirt, and a girl who drank the wrong coffee brand but not the idols who literally went to jail.
It's CRAZY how many people think Chaeyoung is racist towards jewish people... did you forget that SHE IS KOREAN? N*zis allied with Imperial Japan, who ALSO committed genocide against KOREANS. Why would she have N*zi ideologies if she is KOREAN?? That's like saying she is racist with herself...
The swastika (tilted) and manji (straight) symbols look very similar, but have very different meanings! Manji means 'good fortune' in East Asia, but N*zi Germany modified that symbol into a swastika and used it for racism. Chaeyoung said she didn't correctly recognize the meaning of the tilted swastika, so she most likely confused it with the manji symbol.
If you try to argue that "she should've known about the swastika," then who's to say that Koreans were educated about N*zi Germany on the same level as the West? She most likely knew about Hitler, but didn't focus too much on the symbol of the party. Koreans most likely focused on the wrongdoings of Imperial Japan, not N*zi Germany! I bet if you showed the Rising Sun symbol to the average American, they wouldn't know what it is - just look at Bella Poarch's rising sun scandal!
Thankyou! The manji is exactly why I believe chaeyoung most definitely didn't realise that her shirt was a bad symbol.
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We are educated about the Nazis, also she wore it before and people have her the same criticism, she knew what it was. It's also a Sid Vicious shirt, he was known for using Nazi imagery, there's literally no way to defend it. Also the Swastika is different to the Buddhist symbol, you can see the difference
@@Free_Palestine_75 „she wore it before and have the same criticism” btch what fanfic did u read
So because Germany and Japan allied, and Germany was against the jews, and Japan were against Korea... Korea + Jews = Allies/BFF?
What trash ass logic is that?
Also, Koreans are more educated on the second world war and n@zi germany than you think, her not knowing because of the korean education system is just a bs argument that fans made up. She's a grown ass adult, and a GLOBAL artist, she should probably know of GLOBALY common knowledge.
Wtf what about Himchan from BAP and that guy from Big Bang being involved in SA?
Ikr, we talked about someone wearing a punk shirt, someone saying they didn't like a song, and someone drinking the wrong coffee brand over people in jail for real crimes.
The way female idols gotta act for fans is wild. Its even worse when American fans hold that same standard.
I LOVE YOU CHAEYOUNG BABEEE THEY'LL NEVER MAKE ME HATE YOUUUU😊😊😊❤❤❤
real
i honestly cannot bring myself to hate her
@jesuscollazo9817 I don't blame you!!! What she did was wrong and dumb but it's not my place to forgive her, but I'll never in a million years hate her, 9 or none!!!
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@@Lyric-ml4dx Stay madd🥰🥰🥰
I don’t get people who are hating on Somi.
did you even watch the video
yeah I know, she's just chilling drinking her starbucks, people just assuming everything makes me sick.
@@carolineriosneyra9731Yes, Drinking her coffee and contributing money to a brand that supports Isr*el and it's inhumane behavior.
i get why and i don’t get why, half of the brands people are buying are also as bad as starbucks 😭 ppl buy from shein and H&M and they use child labour, but i don’t see anyone saying anything???
People are saying stuff about SHEIN and H&M in terms of child labour. But actively funding a genocide and suing your employees for opposing said genocide is where Starbucks is at fault. Your “whataboutism” isn’t gonna work here
i’ve never really liked somi, something about her just rubbed me the wrong way. but when the cup thing happened it was confirmed. also the fact that she was bad mouthing the groups in her agency and liked a hate post against them as well was weird asf. glad she showed her true colours
edit: im also pretty sure she never apologized for it and just took done the video and acted like nothing happened
edit2: im also glad to see that there are sane people who think what chaeyoung did was disgusting and don’t like her for it. its the fact she knew what she was doing and the fact that the guy who’s merch it was is a serial abuser as well. she’s just disgusting and im glad people dropped her after that.
edit3: lord do i have a lot to say. the irene situation is so stupid because like yes she shouldn’t have done that but with all the years of horribly revealing outfits she’s been put in i can understand why she’d get mad. sm is stupid for not laying out the whole situation.
A Starbucks cup? Lol. Who has time to keep up with that shit?
did u watch the video? LOL
@@vizenn I did. People getting mad at Somi for showing her starbucks cup because of a boycott is hilarious. Nobody keeps up with ALL issues going on in the world today. I doubt anyone really knew about the boycott besides people who live on social media lol
@@sorntrash thats a lie theres no way she didnt
theres been protests IN KOREA for months even before people started to boycott starbucks
dont excuse people you have no idea about
she literally TOOK DOWN THE VIDEO instead of apologizing
ive been a somi fan ever since sixteen and still hold her accountable for it you should also
The somi situation she is at fault but even if she was chronically online doesn’t mean she knew about the situation a lot of people at my school are chronically online don’t even know about it so I don’t blame her for not knowing it because even I didn’t know what it was until I heard people talking about it I had to look it up so just because your chronically online doesn’t mean you know everything that goes on in the world for the Irene one her and her members were getting extremely revealing outfits and they would clearly uncomfortable with them so Irene took a stand and did something about the situation
Gurl how do u know she doesn't know about the situation after her criticism everyone told her to apologise and all she said is was nonsense in her live Jake from enhypen drank Starbucks in one of his live but fans told him not to and he apologised and even switched the cup NOW DID UR FAV DO THAT💀💀💀
@@nuhafathima4950 no somi is not my fav I was saying we don’t know if she knows or not we can’t just say she knew just because she’s chronically online and I’m all the way team Palestine but
@@Bigbackkitten but Ur username litterly says somi luv
@@nuhafathima4950 yeah I just put that because I need something to put their but somi is not my fav but she’s one of the soloist I listen and love her music so
Don't defend her cuz if you been a kpop fans for atleast 2 years you would know damn well that kpop idols hide the names of the label they are not promoting by their hands or just blur them out. But for somi case the label was visible and come on it's not like she won't know its literally everywhere how can such a big and famous idol doesn't know about it. Its not like she is living under a rock. No hate to somi i love her but honestly she is at fault for that and should be held accountable
In my country the swastika is illegal, so after the pictures were posted i was really disgusted. She brought that shirt privately and for a LOT of money. She knows the meaning and still wore it.
in korea the symbol means entirely something different
Its a buddhist symbol for peace
Well, this isn't your country. Educate yourself on what that symbol means in Asian countries.
That symbol has different meanings in other countries. Buddhist and hindu people have the symbol as peace. Educate yourself on other countries. Not everyone is american.
@@vixxexo6855nobody said anything about america. the swastika isn’t illegal in America either so idk where you got that from