Damn!! Flying horizontal twist dismount and stuck the landing. And side twist jumped over the first bar for the mount. Geez almighty. Came to see why Olga Korbut got silver.😮😮
I get that banning some of the more dangerous ones are for the safety of the gymnasts, but when you have many rules and regulations, it does hinder lots of creativity and progress. Doesn't only apply to gymnastics.
I like today’s routines when done cleanly, but they need to not cap transitions and value cool rare skills higher. Incentivize unique mounts too. They could still be interesting with changes. It did get better from 2016 (when everyone was doing Mustafina’s routine) to 2021 with Suni, Nina, Nastia all very different.
Karin Janz is a legend. On top of her sporting achievements she went on to become a brilliant physician. Imagine being able to tell your children that you bested Olga Korbut!
She also was disgustingly robbed of the AA Gold by Tourischeva here. Her event finals routines scored a whopping 0.65 higher, more than a fall. They went into the AA finals tied. Amazingly their comparative routines in the AA showed a whopping 0.8 difference to event finals scoring, with Tourischeva 0.15 higher.
She didn't beat her. It was in Munich. The judges cheated Korbut out of the gold. Janz gets a 9.90 with a landing that most of us could do better than her.
Korbut got a 9,8 for her routine (this was a 9,7), so no, it wasn't. But the routines are performed twice, and while Korbut's second round was clean, she made a huge mistake on her first one, and her score here was not enough to overscore Karin withe two clean routines.
This is so good, and it would have deserved gold had Korbut not existed. But alas, Korbut existed during this time, and deserved the gold for her amazingly insane bar routine.
Karin was robbed of the AA gold to Ludmila so that probably helped her come out ahead in a close call. Remember compulsory scoring counted to the final totals then too though and Karin's compulsory bar routine was easily better than Olga's so she was already ahead.
The other routine is flashy and fun to watch, but this one is much more technically sound. She's much more graceful and elegant with her movements, making it look effortless, where as the silver medal routine you can tell she was really pushing hard. Both amazing routines and extremely talented gymnasts, just one is a bit more clean/refined
People saying Olga Korbut should have won is outrageous. Korbut was over scored for most of her routines, especially the balance beam. Janz did moves that are used today and that release from the bars was awesome. She was deserving of the gold medal.
Olga said in her autobiograpy that it was decided before-hand that the GDR would win the vault and bars golds. The other golds would go to the Soviet Union: Lazakovich the beam, and Touricheva the floor. But when Olga won the golds, you can see the two other Soviet girls were not happy.
@@amandine2239 I think it is possible because scorers are also human who can talk years later. But it would be more like 2 gold for GDR, AA and 2 gold for USSR. The best result was Olga AA, Tamara and Lyudmilla each 1, Karin 2. Olga's mistake ruined the best scene so they sacrifised Tamara for plan B.
@@amandine2239she knew because that was the norm for that era. The Soviet Union was In absolute control of events like the Olympics and world championships, and owned the judges tables. They decided who won and who didn’t. You’ll notice that, after the fall of the Soviets the scoring became much more equal and fair, and the actual deserving athletes got the medals.
@@saragrant9749talking like the soviets athletes weren't great, the whole world has seen their videos and there is a reason of why they were given such high scores, it is horrible too, because those specifics athletes (the soviets ones that are so known and admired) were extremely exploded and mistreated, Nadia comanecci (perfect score) denounced all of that. They were the best and that is truth, but there is a dark reason of why they were the best, saying they were "undeserving" is completely false.
It's because they performed their routines twice. Karin had two clean routines, but Olga Korbut made a pretty serious mistake in her first runthrough which dragged her average down. The video everyone's seen is from her second time
@Aman dine Watching Karin's routine now, I realized she did a "Comaneci" salto in her routine, even before Nadia presented "her" salto on competitions.
@@MaJo-je8cs It's different because she uses the bounce off the lower bar to assist. Comaneci salto is pure arm assist. It is still an impressive move though with the spacing between the bars.
@@MaJo-je8cs pretty much. In the book love of gymnastics it was described as her own version of the Radochla. But pretty much sane as Janz. Elena Davydova claimed to have done same ad Nadia from high bar just before her.
Olga Korbut foi a primeira e única ginasta a fazer o giro mortal reverso (dead loop) validamente pelas olimpiadas e ficou com a prata, manobra tão perigosa que foi banida das olimpiadas. A alemã Karin Janz levou o ouro numa apresentação boa, mas abaixo, na minha opinião, da de Korbut. Prova de que nem sempre o melhor ganha.
Karin's routine had more packed into it. Her transitions were great and even the place in the routine where she positioned her release move makes her routine more difficult. Olga had one spectacular move, but that doesn't make a dominant exercise. If you look at all the elements in both exercises, Karin's routine was more difficult.
I saw someone point out that Korbut's moves are all straight, she never twists. It really changed my regard for her. Of course, she was still super innovative and daring, but it kind of grounds her and shows that every gymnast has different strengths and weaknesses
Olga probably deserved a 10 for her performance but even if she got a 10, she would still only get silver because Karin was better at the team compulsories. I don't think Karin robbed Olga of her gold medal at all.
Karin was robbed of the AA gold. She was better than Ludmila on 3 of the 4 events with Ludmila only better on floor barely so how on earth could Ludmila win. Their event final scores would have had Karin beating her by over 5 tenths, more than a fall, which shows there was corruptive cheating to give Ludmila the win over Karin.
@@grantgoffin4774 Ludmilla was a Soviet. The Olympics 4 years prior they raised the preliminary scores of a Soviet gymnast to make Vera share a gold medal on the floor with her. Blatant cheating.
@@Kaboomboo Agreed but they still scored Janz MUCH higher than Tourischeva in the event finals where her vault, bars, and beam scores were far higher, and their floor score the same. They came into the AA Finals tied, so had their event final scores been used instead Janz wins by 0.65, more than a fall. So why on earth were the AA scores that different. Was Janz much worse in the AA, Tourischeva much sharper than her event finals routines, or both, or was it purposely cheating to make sure Tourischeva won the AA and not Janz, and once that happened they could score the event finals normal.
Well, the final scores were based on an average of two performances (which is why this video kind of seems to repeat itself.) Olga Korbut made a decent-sized error on her first performance that dragged her average down. The beautiful video of her everyone's seen is her second runthrough
Im russian and high atm I was comparing this to Korbut flip wondering who tf took the gold If some weirdo reads this - i have no fucking clue why Karin won I mean yeah, technic was nice The one hand thingy The lil hedgie between the bars (idk why thats not banned, imagine slamming ur head going full speed there Schumacher style) All nice and clean But the landing Mb im high, but i literally chunked a fat Russian HA-HA I mean, give Korbut gold and ban the move But there is one thing that gets me thinking 72 in Munich, Karin's West-German Kurbut's Soviet U getting me?
Well, the scoring was based on an average of two runthroughs (which is why the video kind of seems to repeat itself). The video everyone's seen of Korbut is from her second performance, but she made a decent-sized error on her first performance, which dragged her average down. Also, Karin was from East Germany
I’m gonna help you with this, because good lord, you need it. Since you”re apparently a product of the Russian education system, here are a few helpful points: Janz was from The DDR, or in English, EAST GERMANY. Munich was in WEST GERMANY. East Germany West Germany. U getting me?
In the qualifier he did visibly better, having a perfect exit. In the final she looked tight, and executed a poor outing. The question is how is it possible to get a higher score in the final?
Came to see Why Olga got Silver. Karin is cool, but I still think Olga did an insanely better job and should have got a perfect 10 and gold. Also, I am not Russian.
second part was the final. Karin won on merit. flying start when Korbut just stood n grab bars. Karin hit 2 hand stands. Korbut none. Karin managed a somersault between such close bars. karin smooth while Korbut laboured..........
The point is that Karin's score here, should not have been higher than Olga's.. that is what really cause people to question it if you will. The medals were rigged in these days anyway, they decided who was going to get what and how many away.This is just the proof. Karin scored 9.90... Olga scored 9.80. Now flip the scores Karin still would have won by .025. But the judges were making sure that the GDR got the gold. I believe she had a .125 lead with the preliminary score coming into the final.
If you lessen the risk, you lessen the glory. Women's gymnastics have become predictable, constrained formulaic-- more about the power moves that men are doing. They may as well let men and women compete together because they've diminished the European ballet style and replaced it with a priority on muscular strength. My money is on Simone Biles owning the pommel horse.
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Damn!! Flying horizontal twist dismount and stuck the landing. And side twist jumped over the first bar for the mount. Geez almighty. Came to see why Olga Korbut got silver.😮😮
came for this too! Now i know why
Haha me too!
Também vim ver kk
I came for the exact reason....
This is the coolest routine I’ve ever seen - what a champ!
Her horizontal straight-body flights are awesome... Defies gravity... Kestrel and dolphin rolled into one.
These routines are way more interesting than those that are done now
I get that banning some of the more dangerous ones are for the safety of the gymnasts, but when you have many rules and regulations, it does hinder lots of creativity and progress. Doesn't only apply to gymnastics.
but way more safe nowdays
退屈させません。暇人かもしれない？
よろしく。
I like today’s routines when done cleanly, but they need to not cap transitions and value cool rare skills higher. Incentivize unique mounts too. They could still be interesting with changes. It did get better from 2016 (when everyone was doing Mustafina’s routine) to 2021 with Suni, Nina, Nastia all very different.
Her routine really was the beginning of the new era in the bars routine. She was the first gymnast to perform a handstand on the uneven bars.
Karin Janz is a legend. On top of her sporting achievements she went on to become a brilliant physician. Imagine being able to tell your children that you bested Olga Korbut!
She also was disgustingly robbed of the AA Gold by Tourischeva here. Her event finals routines scored a whopping 0.65 higher, more than a fall. They went into the AA finals tied. Amazingly their comparative routines in the AA showed a whopping 0.8 difference to event finals scoring, with Tourischeva 0.15 higher.
@@grantgoffin4774 Those were the days of the Soviets pulling every stunt in the book to beat everyone else--even from fellow Eastern Block athletes.
@@cherylannemason Russians had a lot of weight when it came to the judging unfortunately. Just look at the floor finals in the previous Olympic games.
She didn't beat her. It was in Munich. The judges cheated Korbut out of the gold. Janz gets a 9.90 with a landing that most of us could do better than her.
@@NMaster-lp8yz bitterness doesn't suit you
She was phenomenal!!
Godamn that corkscrew spin
M. Bison torpedo move at the beginning was awesome
No way this is better than Korbut's routine.
in some ways it is, some not
Korbut got a 9,8 for her routine (this was a 9,7), so no, it wasn't. But the routines are performed twice, and while Korbut's second round was clean, she made a huge mistake on her first one, and her score here was not enough to overscore Karin withe two clean routines.
@@luisasouza2146that explains it. Thanks 🙏
@@polmendoza3097 You're welcome!!☺️
@@luisasouza2146 Muchos vinimos por esta explicacion, gracias
Karin golden girl..respect
This is so good, and it would have deserved gold had Korbut not existed. But alas, Korbut existed during this time, and deserved the gold for her amazingly insane bar routine.
Karin was robbed of the AA gold to Ludmila so that probably helped her come out ahead in a close call. Remember compulsory scoring counted to the final totals then too though and Karin's compulsory bar routine was easily better than Olga's so she was already ahead.
After watching this, I can confirm that Olga Korbut is the best.
Tell me that you are re.s.tarded, without telling me you are re.s.tarded 😂
You can't be serious, this is way more impressive.
Your personal opinion doesn't confirm anything.
After reading this, I can confirm that you are an idiot.
light, general and powerful
still one of the best bars routines ever, commenters still don't know their gymnastics. sun rises, sun sets.
Just watched the silver medal performance... It was INSANE! How the hell did this win gold??
It was in Munich and a German won gold. All I'm saying.
The other routine is flashy and fun to watch, but this one is much more technically sound. She's much more graceful and elegant with her movements, making it look effortless, where as the silver medal routine you can tell she was really pushing hard. Both amazing routines and extremely talented gymnasts, just one is a bit more clean/refined
@@NMaster-lp8yz Bro it was in West Germany, and the girl was from DDR. They were basically enemies. Not sure what you imply here...
Al FIN ALGUIEN RAZONABLE Y JUSTO / LA CORRUPCION Grs.
@@NMaster-lp8yz Munich West Germany. Janz was from East Germany. Learn some history. It might stop you from making yourself look stvpid.
People saying Olga Korbut should have won is outrageous. Korbut was over scored for most of her routines, especially the balance beam. Janz did moves that are used today and that release from the bars was awesome. She was deserving of the gold medal.
Olga rules, shut the F up! But Karin did deserve the medal
@@constantinodeferaribustama8174 Shut up you incompetent pig
Karin was also robbed of winning the AA gold.
Karin was amazing though I think Olga is better. They should have shared gold.
Olga deserved all her medals and all the merit. She marked a new era in gymnastics. And Karin has her good skills as well. Don't compare each other.
Was curious to find out why Olga Korbut got Silver.... Wasn't disappointed.... Anyway, they were both absolutely amazing 🙂!
Olga said in her autobiograpy that it was decided before-hand that the GDR would win the vault and bars golds. The other golds would go to the Soviet Union: Lazakovich the beam, and Touricheva the floor. But when Olga won the golds, you can see the two other Soviet girls were not happy.
How can she know that
@@amandine2239 I think it is possible because scorers are also human who can talk years later. But it would be more like 2 gold for GDR, AA and 2 gold for USSR. The best result was Olga AA, Tamara and Lyudmilla each 1, Karin 2. Olga's mistake ruined the best scene so they sacrifised Tamara for plan B.
@@amandine2239she knew because that was the norm for that era. The Soviet Union was In absolute control of events like the Olympics and world championships, and owned the judges tables. They decided who won and who didn’t. You’ll notice that, after the fall of the Soviets the scoring became much more equal and fair, and the actual deserving athletes got the medals.
@@saragrant9749talking like the soviets athletes weren't great, the whole world has seen their videos and there is a reason of why they were given such high scores, it is horrible too, because those specifics athletes (the soviets ones that are so known and admired) were extremely exploded and mistreated, Nadia comanecci (perfect score) denounced all of that.
They were the best and that is truth, but there is a dark reason of why they were the best, saying they were "undeserving" is completely false.
sore loser talk
of course Korbut has her flip but Karin has few good moves too.
Come here if you actually came here because of Korbut banned moves
I'm here because of that.. I don't really understand how their score system works, but I enjoyed Korbut's perfomance a lot more. What about you??
Same here
Still don't know how she beats Olga Korbur. In my opinion Olga did perferct 10 (no 9,8).
It's because they performed their routines twice. Karin had two clean routines, but Olga Korbut made a pretty serious mistake in her first runthrough which dragged her average down. The video everyone's seen is from her second time
Even a 10.0 would have made Olga Korbur loose.
I know nothing about how the scoring works but the silver medal performance looks wayyyy better than this gold medal performance :P
Karin was better. She had more tricks, was faster and was smoother, and her landing defies gravity. But Olga was great too.
@Aman dine Watching Karin's routine now, I realized she did a "Comaneci" salto in her routine, even before Nadia presented "her" salto on competitions.
@@MaJo-je8cs It's different because she uses the bounce off the lower bar to assist. Comaneci salto is pure arm assist. It is still an impressive move though with the spacing between the bars.
@@Buckyroid Nadia does hit lower bar before she gets into her so called salto
@@MaJo-je8cs pretty much. In the book love of gymnastics it was described as her own version of the Radochla. But pretty much sane as Janz. Elena Davydova claimed to have done same ad Nadia from high bar just before her.
What the hell dis I just watch? I didn’t know physics could work like that
Olga Korbut foi a primeira e única ginasta a fazer o giro mortal reverso (dead loop) validamente pelas olimpiadas e ficou com a prata, manobra tão perigosa que foi banida das olimpiadas. A alemã Karin Janz levou o ouro numa apresentação boa, mas abaixo, na minha opinião, da de Korbut. Prova de que nem sempre o melhor ganha.
Anything from MAG? My Dad competed in those olympics, no finals tho. Please upload if you have something! Thank you
Oh-My-God!!!
Such an elegant and wonderful gymnast. Totally robbed of wining the AA title instead of Tourischeva too.
epic dive at the finish, screw all those flips today ^^
Karin's routine had more packed into it. Her transitions were great and even the place in the routine where she positioned her release move makes her routine more difficult. Olga had one spectacular move, but that doesn't make a dominant exercise. If you look at all the elements in both exercises, Karin's routine was more difficult.
I saw someone point out that Korbut's moves are all straight, she never twists. It really changed my regard for her. Of course, she was still super innovative and daring, but it kind of grounds her and shows that every gymnast has different strengths and weaknesses
@@MisterLooKass She did twist tho
one? you must not have watched
Can someone explain what happened at the 51/52 second mark. She went trough the fucking bar
I can't believe she lost over Tourischeva. Everybody is saying Janz was rigged she should've won. PS Janz has a pretty face.
Olga probably deserved a 10 for her performance but even if she got a 10, she would still only get silver because Karin was better at the team compulsories. I don't think Karin robbed Olga of her gold medal at all.
Karin was robbed of the AA gold. She was better than Ludmila on 3 of the 4 events with Ludmila only better on floor barely so how on earth could Ludmila win. Their event final scores would have had Karin beating her by over 5 tenths, more than a fall, which shows there was corruptive cheating to give Ludmila the win over Karin.
@@grantgoffin4774 Ludmilla was a Soviet. The Olympics 4 years prior they raised the preliminary scores of a Soviet gymnast to make Vera share a gold medal on the floor with her. Blatant cheating.
@@Kaboomboo Agreed but they still scored Janz MUCH higher than Tourischeva in the event finals where her vault, bars, and beam scores were far higher, and their floor score the same. They came into the AA Finals tied, so had their event final scores been used instead Janz wins by 0.65, more than a fall. So why on earth were the AA scores that different. Was Janz much worse in the AA, Tourischeva much sharper than her event finals routines, or both, or was it purposely cheating to make sure Tourischeva won the AA and not Janz, and once that happened they could score the event finals normal.
@@grantgoffin4774 They had the same scores on vault and bb. Karin was only better in bars, and Ludmilla was higher on floor.
QUE ASCO TODO DE NO CREER NADA MAS / LO VALIOSO ES LA OPINION DEL PUBLICO Y SHI LA CORBUS ES LA GRAN REINA POR SER REAL UNICA VERDAD ..Grs.
Too bad the judges cheated for her. Olga Korbut had a way better routine and it was flawless. Janz couldn't stick a landing.
Well, the final scores were based on an average of two performances (which is why this video kind of seems to repeat itself.) Olga Korbut made a decent-sized error on her first performance that dragged her average down. The beautiful video of her everyone's seen is her second runthrough
No, the biggest farces in gymnastics history were at the 1988 Olympics with ALL of the East German scores awarded.
hahahahahahaha bad losers!!!!
Im russian and high atm
I was comparing this to Korbut flip wondering who tf took the gold
If some weirdo reads this - i have no fucking clue why Karin won
I mean yeah, technic was nice
The one hand thingy
The lil hedgie between the bars (idk why thats not banned, imagine slamming ur head going full speed there Schumacher style)
All nice and clean
But the landing
Mb im high, but i literally chunked a fat Russian HA-HA
I mean, give Korbut gold and ban the move
But there is one thing that gets me thinking
72 in Munich, Karin's West-German
Kurbut's Soviet
U getting me?
Karin is East German, she participated in the Olympics for the communist German Democratic Republic.
Well, the scoring was based on an average of two runthroughs (which is why the video kind of seems to repeat itself). The video everyone's seen of Korbut is from her second performance, but she made a decent-sized error on her first performance, which dragged her average down.
Also, Karin was from East Germany
I’m gonna help you with this, because good lord, you need it. Since you”re apparently a product of the Russian education system, here are a few helpful points:
Janz was from The DDR, or in English, EAST GERMANY.
Munich was in WEST GERMANY.
East Germany West Germany.
U getting me?
Для 72 года это прогресс
If you watch the dismount.. her landing is worth a tenth deduction. The rest of the routine was not in anyway perfect so how did she scored the 9.90.
Wow
금메달보다 월등히 잘했다 말도안됀다 지금봐도 그럿다 😂
아래로 내려가서 뒤로돌아 달아서 위에 봉잡는게 그기술인가요 ? ! 저게 사람이 할수있나하는데
A dona mandou um parafuso no final, crlh kkkkk
He ahí la prueba que la Comaneci no era superior a otras... Korbut y Janz eran tremendas gimnastas que merecían más de 10
In the qualifier he did visibly better, having a perfect exit. In the final she looked tight, and executed a poor outing. The question is how is it possible to get a higher score in the final?
완벽하다 10점 만점도 부족한 점수당 레전드다
Amazing! Great East german gymnast!
Came to see Why Olga got Silver. Karin is cool, but I still think Olga did an insanely better job and should have got a perfect 10 and gold. Also, I am not Russian.
9.8점으로 은메달 듣자마자 진심 육성으로 심사위원들한테 쌍욕박음
금메달도 뭔가 깔끔하고 우아하고 부드러운 뭐 그런거 다 이해하는데 그래도 이 선수랑은 다르잖아 이 선수가 더 격이 다른 퍼포먼스를 보여줬는데 대체 왜 더 못했다 평가가 나오는지 이해를 못하겠음
금매달 영상을봤는데 공동1위감인데 아깝지만 어쩔수없죠
second part was the final. Karin won on merit. flying start when Korbut just stood n grab bars. Karin hit 2 hand stands. Korbut none. Karin managed a somersault between such close bars. karin smooth while Korbut laboured..........
nice- like a torpedo :-)
The point is that Karin's score here, should not have been higher than Olga's.. that is what really cause people to question it if you will. The medals were rigged in these days anyway, they decided who was going to get what and how many away.This is just the proof. Karin scored 9.90... Olga scored 9.80. Now flip the scores Karin still would have won by .025. But the judges were making sure that the GDR got the gold. I believe she had a .125 lead with the preliminary score coming into the final.
Nadia didn't quite win by merit. Dick pound of the Canadian Olympic committee said s decade ago it was fixed in advance
Karin Janz eine Lebende !
This skill is banned due to safety concerns.
금메달이랑 큰차이를 못느끼겠네.
도핑테스트 제대로 한건가...?
El oro era para Olga Korbut
No.
Olga Korbut's performance was million times better than this but she only took silver 🥈 medal 😢
No.
Olga did better.
올가 코르부트 빼앗긴 금메달 맞네ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 독일에서 올림픽 개최해서 점수 후하게 받았구만~ 동서독으로 나눠 졌다고 하지만, 동독선수한테 심판들이 점수 퍼줬구만~ 코르부트 경기 영상보면, 점수보고 관중들 야유 엄청 하던데 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Robbed of the all around gold for sure. I like Tourischeva but Janz was better all around.
no you won't, everybody knows that karin literally stole the medal from Olga
本気にしろ！
I mean, Olga did so much better, she deserves the gold not silver
This is my first time ever hearing about her but Olga clearly was robbed
goodnight baby maker
If you lessen the risk, you lessen the glory. Women's gymnastics have become predictable, constrained formulaic-- more about the power moves that men are doing. They may as well let men and women compete together because they've diminished the European ballet style and replaced it with a priority on muscular strength. My money is on Simone Biles owning the pommel horse.
Her legs are horribly apart as he reaches for the high bar near the end, and she lands as if she was having an appendix rupture.
This f**king steal....
Great routine..but horrible body shaping. No hollow body form whatsoever. Things sure have changed
The decision of winning was 100% political and wasn't sportive at all. Totally disgusting that this girl won because she's German.
Korbut made an error, Karin didn't.