Thanks for "general public debunking myths" vid. The O2 sensor doesn't care about carbon buildup ... it it will get clogged up it will start reporting super rich, which will cause leanout of mixture that will raise the temp and provide more oxygen to burn up anything that clogs it up. Only problems with lambdas is a genuine failure, that can't be fixed by simple cleaning. Failures are a sign of sensing element chemicals failing due to corrosion (bad fuel) / aging / being over heated (heavy tune that goes very lean for odd reason) - leading to giving wrong readout. Also, even catastrophically failed lambda is not that much of a problem because any ECU in last 20 - 30 odd years will figure out that reported values make no sense based on rpm + throttle possition + boost pressure / amount of fuel put in, and simple switch to open loop control ignoring lambda and worst case will go into limp home mode.
I read in the bimmer forums using a sonic cleaner (like a jewelry cleaner) does a much faster and more effective job removing the deposits. I have an X5 Diesel that keeps flagging the lower O2 and will be giving it a go
That sounds about right for the mpg. Can't remember if you have a tune on it or not. I had mhd and got around that on my 335 if I wasn't doing highway but mine was x drive so that may be a little on the low side. I know my sensors weren't all carboned up like that tho. Down pipes are so much easier on rwd. I had to drop my sub frame and pull the engine mount to do mine on the awd.
With "renewed" A/F O2 sensors the engine will burn and breath much better for sure. In addition driving speed highway always will help to tun the engine, to clean it and therefore it works better and it means more MPG. BimmerN53
I have a 2011 X3/F25 30d with 251,000 km, and I think I get the best fuel economy if the average speed is about 70 km/h. I use to measure between refills. But if the measurements are at slightly different speeds the consumption will vary, and then it's impossible to judge the "work" done or the result of it, unfortunately.
The pair would be $250, but if I got 10% better MPG after and drove 13,000 miles they would pay themselves back in theory! It would just take a while 😅
expensive experiment. It's not advisable to "clean" your AFR sensors as it can ruin the heater element inside. Just buy new ones. If you can afford a beema then you can afford new sensors 👍
Just replaced both my primary O2 sensors because of a rough idle/limp mode when idling. My average MPG went from 20 to 32. Easily worth it!
Aftermarket parts?
Thanks for "general public debunking myths" vid. The O2 sensor doesn't care about carbon buildup ... it it will get clogged up it will start reporting super rich, which will cause leanout of mixture that will raise the temp and provide more oxygen to burn up anything that clogs it up. Only problems with lambdas is a genuine failure, that can't be fixed by simple cleaning. Failures are a sign of sensing element chemicals failing due to corrosion (bad fuel) / aging / being over heated (heavy tune that goes very lean for odd reason) - leading to giving wrong readout.
Also, even catastrophically failed lambda is not that much of a problem because any ECU in last 20 - 30 odd years will figure out that reported values make no sense based on rpm + throttle possition + boost pressure / amount of fuel put in, and simple switch to open loop control ignoring lambda and worst case will go into limp home mode.
Thanks!
Thank YOU Shwell :)
I read in the bimmer forums using a sonic cleaner (like a jewelry cleaner) does a much faster and more effective job removing the deposits. I have an X5 Diesel that keeps flagging the lower O2 and will be giving it a go
Hi Ban, may I ask where did you buy that lifter Jack? Thx
That sounds about right for the mpg. Can't remember if you have a tune on it or not. I had mhd and got around that on my 335 if I wasn't doing highway but mine was x drive so that may be a little on the low side. I know my sensors weren't all carboned up like that tho. Down pipes are so much easier on rwd. I had to drop my sub frame and pull the engine mount to do mine on the awd.
Yeahhhh that's why I wanted to do a rwd 335i wagon, because servicing anything NEAR the xdrive systems is a pain 😫
@@TheBimmerBarn truth! But you can't beat the hole shot with some brake boosting! That being said I won't buy another xdrive other than an x5
With "renewed" A/F O2 sensors the engine will burn and breath much better for sure.
In addition driving speed highway always will help to tun the engine, to clean it and therefore it works better and it means more MPG.
BimmerN53
Love these random experiments, I think you should buy some new O2 sensors and make another video 🙂
What kind of aftermarket 02 sensors are you using?
I have a 2011 X3/F25 30d with 251,000 km, and I think I get the best fuel economy if the average speed is about 70 km/h. I use to measure between refills.
But if the measurements are at slightly different speeds the consumption will vary, and then it's impossible to judge the "work" done or the result of it, unfortunately.
I think you will need new sensors. They pre-cat ones last for a max of 80k miles, without a tune. Have a great week. Dutch regards, Nico.
The best way to get better mpg, to check smoke test on intake, I didn't buy smoking mashine yet, I am sure that I have air leak..
Tbh when I replaced my o2s I gained like 4mpg I thought it was worth it
This makes me want to try it! FOR SCIENCE
How the hell are you getting 21.1 mpg ? My 335i gets 15 to 17 mpg. Some highway but mostly city so I'm not shedding too many tears with your mpg.
me too
I have an 03 530i , 217k miles, with a bad torque converter lockup, and I'm currently at 21 mpg, with very little highway milage
Thanks u stoped me to clean my o2 sensor
small ultrasonic cleaner would make the job super fast and easy
I wouldn't be able to record myself doing emissions tampering by putting in downpipes. 🤣 test drive in the track.
Don’t you have to reset fuel trim adaptation
17mpg on 335is with city and some highway driving.
How much are the pair of o2 Sensors?
The pair would be $250, but if I got 10% better MPG after and drove 13,000 miles they would pay themselves back in theory! It would just take a while 😅
That's insaine .l just bought all four o2 sensors for my Mercedes for less than $90
ultra sonic bath
Lol my 328i n52 gets 15 mpg……..
The RPM on my Z4 won't stop spontaneously dropping and killing off my engine now 💀
Yeah I need to try this on my m4 I swear to find I’m losing so much gas it’s not even funny anymore
Why would you clean at that mileage ? OEM aren’t even that much $$
32 dollars ebay but wait
On german cars the are 180-250 for two
Wow bmw’s have complicated builds. On Toyotas you just reach down and grab it haha
Not all bmws, I can just remove mine from upto.
Bro I can’t get passed 18mpg 😭
I get 16 mpg 🤣
Why would it change if you didn't CHANGE THE TUNE 😂
It's not too smart to go through all that trouble to remove them and not just go ahead and replace them,
expensive experiment. It's not advisable to "clean" your AFR sensors as it can ruin the heater element inside. Just buy new ones. If you can afford a beema then you can afford new sensors 👍
Just buy new ones