Those guys with the Nagant- I raced Dragbike in the late 80's with a homebuilt two stroke. Got a lot of crap from some in the stands. Difference was, They were in the stands, I was on the track. Enough said...
The 22 guy was shooting a more accurate rifle with WAY more consistent ammunition.. Anyone that’s been around Mosin-Nagant shooting surplus ammunition especially knows they aren’t remotely reliably accurate.. Probably the last rifle and ammunition I would attempt it with.. Guy’s at least tried which is more than a lot of people obviously. No way I would because my old eyes wouldn’t likely see the biggest target.. lol
Yea she did great for a newbie! I’d be willing to bet some of her misses were due to the limitations of set up. I’m sure it shoots good but even if it’s a solid moa rifle you’ll have outliers for example at 500 SD comes into play which is out of her control with factory ammo.
Not even an EC tuner can account for the loose nut behind the buttplate... Gotta keep on practicing and improving ourselves, before blaming anyone's equipment. Love these marksmanship challenges.
In the Marines we shot iron sights out to 500....BUT...THE ABLE at 200 was 12" Dog at 300 is 19x26 and man at 500 is a whopping 20x40. You can not compare the shooting in any way .
I love the butt pad, but mine was always 6-8 moa with surplus. Reloads are closer to 1.5-2 moa, scoped, accurized. I'd be interested in someone taking a go with an aperture k31, might get the first one.
@@lanejohnson7656 it’s like this, if you had to choose between a knife or a gun to bring to a gun fight. What would be your answer? And pfisherman540 is correct they had no business being there. It’s pretty lame too, that they didn’t even take it serious enough to bring decent ammo. And the target they were shooting and supposedly hitting back home must have been the broadside of a barn. The Canadian definitely is a shooter and so is the gun. I would bet his reloads he makes are just as well built as his gun is, clearly.
Did it right after with my own rifle. Welcome to come shoot with us anytime😂 granted we sucked in the video and Monday morning quarterbacking but at home definitely went better😂
@lanejohnson7656 lmao, that my point exactly. You weren't prepared. It's kind of like people spring turkey hunting with their bow but never killing one with a gun.
91/30's are MOBD with 147g factory ammo. (Minute of barn door). I have some nice ones I hand load for and that changes things big time. They both have some stones trying with a Nagant. :) It 'aint an F class or PRS rifle (and I shoot F class). The best Mosin ammo for factory is the Russian 182g match, which is hard to find but actually pretty accurate out to 800 yards. The Swiss K31 and GP11 ammo. That would be interesting for a surplus rifle!
@@tcw95NZ Nothing to lose other than be criticized by people for at least trying.. If I thought I could at least see the biggest target I might give it a try. Lol
Last rifle I would try it with, for sure with that ammo.. Like to see them give it a shot with some S&B or even PZI ammo.. Give them major props for showing up knowing the criticism would roll.. I wouldn’t even be able to see the biggest target.. lol
This challenge is definitely push a few people to get into the long shooting sport. You make it so welcoming for all experience levels and demonstrate the true spirit of the shooting community. Hat's off to the guys trying iron sights.
I congratulate the two guys for giving the open sights a whirl. My son and I were just discussing how we could prepare ourselves to do this challenge with the open sights. You may not have it still available by the time we think we are up to it but I know it won't be time wasted. Thx Erik
Excellent!! Im a newbie at long range myself. There is actually alot involved in taking accurate shots at these distances. Once i get better with my 6.5 i just might take a shot at this challenge
Great video, greetings from south central BC. The only thing better than Mike from Canada would have been Mike from Canmore - which is a Canadian TV joke for those of you not from here. Good shooting though Mike! You represented us well sir.
A concerning issue to me is the feed problems on some of these bolt actions and some seem less than smooth, unlike Eric`s rifle, which fed smooth and consistent.........great content, thank you !
I swear I hate seeing Marines do these guntuber challenges. Any Marine that claims the 500 yards iron sight bullshit knows damn well that target they engaged (with varying degrees of success) was 19” wide by 40” tall. And you got points for missing. We Marines need to simmer down with this iron sights hubris. Signed, a Marine Gunner.
@@kencaton6377 with the Annual Rifle Training (ART) course of fire, the silhouette on the B-Mod target is worth 5 points. The areas to the left and right of the black were worth 4 points. So yes, missing the intended target (a man sized silhouette) close enough could net you 4 points. Of course there were 3 point zones as well as 2 point zones on the same target. So, effectively, earning points for missing.
Carlie put up a good show. I like watching this and the 1000yd challenge. I've shot similar targets where I live and I find the trick it to have you cross hair at the top of the target and shoot a little low to your aim point. I like it when people will use their turrets to make adjustments rather than just moving their aim point around. So many times you see shooters keep dropping shots into the same point but making no adjustments to the turrets. They obviously get target fixation and don't change their aim point.
Very nice. Respectable of the gentleman with the open sights. Very proud to see Carlie give it a try. Clay's 6br looks sweet. Don't mind seeing the jab at the 6.5cm, I own one and like everything else I own better. Thanks for the video.
visual acuity becomes the biggest issue at 500. The smallest target that most people can consistently aim at is about 2MOA-ish with irons. SOME MAY be able to consistently aim at a 1MOA target with irons, not the average person. So even if the rifle, sights, ammo, and shooter are capable of better than 1MOA at 500, if you can't consistently aim at the target you're just flinging boolots... I was also a Marine and qualed at 500 with irons. Rifle-ammo combo does 2MOA to 4MOA from the bench. 500 silhouette target was about 20" wide AKA about 4MOA.... If you landed a good 1st round center mass, you were rewarded with a 10" white spotting disc, AKA 2MOA. This made the other 9 shots easier because of the 2MOA aiming point. All of this is "battle precision"(in real combat things aren't that precise). Miles and miles away from sub 0.5MOA long range precision match shooting. All those guys claiming they could do it easy because they shot 500 in the USMC were either POGs or FUDDS or both. I love shooting irons, and I love people trying to do this with irons. Hell, if I was within 12 hours of EC, I'd try it. I still think you should do an iron sight version, no challenge money, just fun. Either closer, or with larger targets at 500, smallest target being 1MOA, largest 4 to 6MOA. Maybe a rim fire version at 100 with irons and 200 or 300 with scopes, again, just for fun.
Attempting under these conditions is hard .... The first guy ....the bag rest wasn't high enough ....but with those sights my god they did better than I would do I'm sure. It's easy to criticise but I'd definitely have a bag at each end ....just to give myself a fighting chance without breaking my neck.... Mike's rifle ...and reloading was superb 👍🏻 That 6br is a great round. I prefer my 6.5 x 47 for windy days but the BR is one helluva of an easy round to shoot and load. Very forgiving. Great episode 👌
Yup, it’s easy to criticize. I give the guys props for giving it a shot knowing they will take criticism, especially with a Mosin with that terrible ammo.
I have the feeling that Mike's amazing perfomance shows one maybe trvial truth that imho deserves to be pointed out A rifle cannot be more accurate than its barrel And the one in Mike's rifle must be really something special Think of a F class scaled down barrel Wonderful piece indeed
This was really fun to watch!! Kudos to everyone that stepped up to the challenge!! I love shooting long range! Want to see more of this Erik. Thanks for sharing.
The camera angle on the targets is absolutely wild iv never been able to see the path of the bullets like that before 🤙 your doing awesome work! Im definitely subscribing
you need to get that mosin shooter from the 1 moa challenge. OR, hear me out here. Make a 300 yard blackjack challenge for open sites but no spotter. People need some humble pie.
What an enjoyable series! Well done to the first ones to even attempt the challenge with open sights! Great shooting from all of the participants. Would be great to see someone try open sights with a slightly more "ahem" competitive set up 😉
Great video !!! The mosin guys where kinda funny to me because i shoot them all the time , just for a challenge, and got 2 that shoot under moa but, not with iron sights. Great vids erik. Thanks for uploading!!!!
This might be the best episode yet! Gotta hand it to the open sight guys for even stepping up to take a swing. Go figure the mild mannered Canadian was shooting like a demon.
Shooting open sights is more of a challenge in my opinion. As comical as it was, I give those guys respect for showing up and going for it. With 7.62x54r and Mosin rifles, it comes down to ammo. Each rifle is going to be different. They are capable of excellent accuracy. You really have to do some serious load development with the mosin in 7.62x54r. With surplus ammo and steal case ammo it's basically machine gun ammo. Reloading for it is challenging. It requires a lot more time and elbow grease. There are a lot more things you have to factor in due to wartime variations with Mosin barrels. Barrel harmonics are different on a Mosin too, they don't behave like a modern rifle. Guy's who compete in vintage matches with them do make alterations to them. Some will bed them. Some will have the crown recut. They will do trigger work to them.
Respect for the ones attempting with open sights. Must have better vision than me as I can’t see some of those sizes at 500 yards. Sure not an easy challenge
I was also chuckling at the open sight guys, but then i thought, you know what? Good on them - they were the only ones with the guts to come on and have a crack at it and show how difficult it is - Charlie was my favourite - great demeanour for shooting, nice and relaxed - just needs to get her face off the gun and equipment could be a little bit better, switch to hand loads , Lapua Brass, Berger Hybrid 140s , ADI2209 powder… the guy from Canada was smokin… great Rifle, but calm down when shooting - Watch Charlie - but all up, some of the best shooters in this series
Great to see a fellow Canadian come all that way to shoot ,nice shooting. Erik if you can find out how he got permitting to bring his rifle to your shoot , I need to find out . I want to get to do the challenge next time I’m in Phoenix
Mosin sights aren't in metres (I thought they were too) They in a weird measurement called "Arshin" So those two friends had a ton stacked up against them, they're clearly not afraid to try something different, not afraid of a bit more than an extra challenge. They earned respect!!! No scope & then add in misfires & questionable factory ammo... Did way better than most of us would have & they need a special plaque each on a ton of respect award Bet they'll do far better if they get a chance to accurise the rifle, go to reloading & do load development. Brilliant to watch them in a very steep challenge & they still did way better than I would. Yeah Erik, you need a big highly varnished Honor Roll Shield on the wall somewhere for "Extra Steep Challenge Players" hahahaa Ton of respect, really enjoyed his (& the others) efforts. Everyone has utterly brilliant attitudes, wonderful attitudes. And Carly was a wonderfully down to earth person who brought a very calm, humble truck load of of "get it done" - She's a real thinking shooter, she's clearly trying to learn something from every second. This should be a weekly TV show hahaha Thank you Erik for the BlackJack Challenge, seriously entertaining.
Mosin nagants open sight with Winchester 7.62x54R maybe the 10 and 12 inch plates at 500yrds. 500 yrds with nagant sight set to 400 meters would have you hold pretty much at the base of target. 500 yrds is about 458 meters. Correct me if I'm wrong, with an explanation.
I'm waiting for one of the Fullbore Target Rifle guys to give it a whirl...but a Nagant, with factory sights and ammo, I'm impressed they got as close as they did
Ammo that is all over the place, no rear bag, using an old outdated relic with open sights to attempt something that is hard to pull off even with a high end rifle. That went about the same as I imagined it would. I have the carbine model in my gun cabinet and a bunch of Russian sniper rounds if they want to try doing it with a different gun! But I doubt they will do much better.
Felt like they tried to one up the guy who did the shooting challenge on Backfire the other day. I will say, 500 yards with an open sight mosin using surplus ammo is baffling, but fun to watch. An amazingly simple and functional design, but they are not precision machines from my experience. I used to have a few mosins, they used to be around $70 for a nice one, but I don't regret letting them all go.
Points for trying with Mosins (WTF) with factory ammo, when there are far better milsurps out there with decent ammo available. Almost anything would be a better combo.
The 7.62x54r stands for rimmed not russian. i would think that a good k-31 might be what you need for this challenge? i love my 03s but 500 yards is a long ways!
Great shooting by the Canadian. I think he started to get a bit excited which effected things more than the wind. Watch his right hand. Still kudos! As for the lady, only been shooting seriously for a year…..kudos! Clay….6BR stands up to the claims…..kudos! The iron sights guys…….well I’m just here for the comments.
Love it. I have a 1,000 yard medal (10th) open sights, M-14, Quantico, VA. Does that count? LOL. Or how about 199 with 10x at 600 yards with same M-14? Marine Corps Matches at Camp Lejeune. Does that one count? LOL. Copies of medals upon request. ;-)
2:33 Having spent 10 years in the marine corps, and shot “expert” a couple of the 6 times I went to the rifle range, I can say with certainty that the targets at the rifle range were not that small for ANY distance when shooting the known distance course of fire. The “10” ring on a 500 yard target is 12 or maybe 13 inches…. So that would be what… about 2 1/4 MOA? Sounds like the target is sized for the consistency of the ammunition. Anyone who says, or even implies, that this is the same as what marines do doesn’t know enough about shooting to understand just how big a difference there is.
Man, I'd like to see the iron sight challenge with a nicer rifle. That thing misfiring constantly was a let down. I know the shooters had to be frustrated as hell.
I’d love to see those guys come back with some ammo that shoots well in those nagant rifles. There is a guy in our club that shoots one in the service rifle matches and he gets some tight groups at 200m. That young lady did well for being new to the sport.
To the marines. That WW2 Russian rifles sights are calibrated in Arshins 28 inches not meters 39.3 inches. An Arshin is the average pace length of an average Soviet soldier. Go figure 🤷🏼♂️ Semper Fi Steven Dzupin
I know for a fact at 56, I couldnt begin to see the large target at 500yrds without an optic ,so good for them giving it a go , but they should have been a bit more prepared . Should have had the most consistent ammo and a real front rest , rear bag set up at the minimum .
The whole idea behind the military 500yd shooting test is to instill faith in the soldiers that they can shoot out there. This is of course very important in a firefight but in civilian life the targets are smaller and not shooting at you so they need no suppressing.
They probably would have hit it if they would have brought a Swiss K-31 with some GP11. I might have to come try this one day. I’m right down the road from you Eric. You built my neighbors Barndo.
Now that it's happened you should initiate a pause in time with a SAFTEY hold on misfires. Just a suggestion. Question in conception shooting matches how many shots per consecutive shoot ?
Target is officially suppressed. Well done marine
Those guys with the Nagant- I raced Dragbike in the late 80's with a homebuilt two stroke. Got a lot of crap from some in the stands. Difference was, They were in the stands, I was on the track. Enough said...
You must have a H2 somewhere in your garage.Buddies of mine were kicking butt with them. The widow maker
“She misfired”
Had no round in the chamber 😂
to be fair, it did misfire like 4 times between the two shooters lmao. he was just used to it not going bang i guess.
"7.62 by 54 Russian" got me dead. 🤣🤣🤣
Should get his money back from SDI
Looks like those bullets aren’t even flying straight lol.
It's "rimmed" for anyone not into firearms
As they are communists. 😂😂😂
i laughed when he said that
Way to go Mike! Good job representing Canada!
Mike from Canada showed up prepared!! Very nice!
This reminds me of the Garand Thumb 700yd .22 guy....
I don't know the 22 guy was actually getting close
Lmao^
The .22 guy looked like he may actually hit it!
The 22 guy was shooting a more accurate rifle with WAY more consistent ammunition.. Anyone that’s been around Mosin-Nagant shooting surplus ammunition especially knows they aren’t remotely reliably accurate.. Probably the last rifle and ammunition I would attempt it with.. Guy’s at least tried which is more than a lot of people obviously. No way I would because my old eyes wouldn’t likely see the biggest target.. lol
Don't forget the guy backfire just had lol
This open sight was hilarious. I loved those guys.
Great job everyone. Karlie did good for a new shooter. Kept her cool, kept shooting. Beautiful rifles today.
Yep. She was humble. Stayed focused. Learned from her mistakes.
Yea she did great for a newbie! I’d be willing to bet some of her misses were due to the limitations of set up. I’m sure it shoots good but even if it’s a solid moa rifle you’ll have outliers for example at 500 SD comes into play which is out of her control with factory ammo.
Yeah buddy! That Canadian set up was sweet. Sweet shooting also.
The ice has been broken for open site's!
Excellent content!
Keep'em coming!
At least they had the balls to do the challenge
Not even an EC tuner can account for the loose nut behind the buttplate... Gotta keep on practicing and improving ourselves, before blaming anyone's equipment. Love these marksmanship challenges.
I wish Michael Douglas could have been there after the marine got finished. "You went in to battle with an unproven rifle?"
That Canadian guy was like: "It's a Long trip, so I HAVE TO keep them centered."
Canadian representing us well
I'm glad to see the open sights during the challenge. A scoped rifle is one thing, but the real challenge is with open sights.
I am sorry but they were not 'trying' anything. Just shooting a cool rifle with surplus ammo, having fun, that is all. There is a difference.
In the Marines we shot iron sights out to 500....BUT...THE ABLE at 200 was 12" Dog at 300 is 19x26 and man at 500 is a whopping 20x40. You can not compare the shooting in any way .
500 yds with a Nagant is brave...
The 1000 yard Texas Plinking challenge was won by one !
I love the butt pad, but mine was always 6-8 moa with surplus. Reloads are closer to 1.5-2 moa, scoped, accurized.
I'd be interested in someone taking a go with an aperture k31, might get the first one.
USMC had to shoot out to 500 yards open sights to qualify until the early 2000s....
The target was slightly bigger though.
@@commenter4515based on his performance, Id say he had the same results
The open sight guys couldn't do it with Erics rifle. It was like watching a train wreck. Wth were they thinking. Now the Canadian, wow, he's the man.
You likely never shot a Mosin with surplus ammo.. Waiting for you to go do better.
@@lanejohnson7656 it’s like this, if you had to choose between a knife or a gun to bring to a gun fight. What would be your answer? And pfisherman540 is correct they had no business being there. It’s pretty lame too, that they didn’t even take it serious enough to bring decent ammo. And the target they were shooting and supposedly hitting back home must have been the broadside of a barn. The Canadian definitely is a shooter and so is the gun. I would bet his reloads he makes are just as well built as his gun is, clearly.
Did it right after with my own rifle. Welcome to come shoot with us anytime😂 granted we sucked in the video and Monday morning quarterbacking but at home definitely went better😂
@lanejohnson7656 lmao, that my point exactly. You weren't prepared. It's kind of like people spring turkey hunting with their bow but never killing one with a gun.
@garrettpinley2162 If I did come shoot, I would definitely come better prepared than that. Maybe I'll try it with a slingshot. 😂🤣🤣
I have an open sight 22 Hornet. Maybe if i aim it at the clouds, it might tumble down at 500 yards lol
I’m actually impressed! Some of those were within 7-8 MOA …. +/- a couple a thousands.
91/30's are MOBD with 147g factory ammo. (Minute of barn door). I have some nice ones I hand load for and that changes things big time. They both have some stones trying with a Nagant. :) It 'aint an F class or PRS rifle (and I shoot F class). The best Mosin ammo for factory is the Russian 182g match, which is hard to find but actually pretty accurate out to 800 yards.
The Swiss K31 and GP11 ammo. That would be interesting for a surplus rifle!
I can get about 2-3moa out of mine . It likes most ammo thats around 150gr. 150gr ppu shoots better than most loads.
Team mosin!!! Scared off the enemy with suppressive fire and everyone lived to fight another day.
Bruh, he had to be trolling showing up with a Nagant.
🤷♂️
He sent it!
The rifle was enough of a joke but then the untested Russian surplus ammo, they have to be trolling
@@tcw95NZ Nothing to lose other than be criticized by people for at least trying.. If I thought I could at least see the biggest target I might give it a try. Lol
Honestly I was surprised he was even hitting the dirt within camera shot 😂
Finally got someone to take the challenge and they came out like Leroy Jenkins with surplus ammo and a Russian rifle🤣 I love it.
Eric need to add another minute to the open sites time. Enjoyed watching them try
Last rifle I would try it with, for sure with that ammo.. Like to see them give it a shot with some S&B or even PZI ammo.. Give them major props for showing up knowing the criticism would roll.. I wouldn’t even be able to see the biggest target.. lol
first dude had me questioning everything i know about firearms and shooting. Then I saw him shoot...
This challenge is definitely push a few people to get into the long shooting sport. You make it so welcoming for all experience levels and demonstrate the true spirit of the shooting community. Hat's off to the guys trying iron sights.
I’ve never rooted more for an entire pack in any episode.
Mosin
Mosin
Canadian
Lady
First time gunsmith
Great episode!
I congratulate the two guys for giving the open sights a whirl. My son and I were just discussing how we could prepare ourselves to do this challenge with the open sights. You may not have it still available by the time we think we are up to it but I know it won't be time wasted. Thx Erik
😂 I haven’t laughed out loud at a video in a while.
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Excellent!! Im a newbie at long range myself. There is actually alot involved in taking accurate shots at these distances. Once i get better with my 6.5 i just might take a shot at this challenge
Great video, greetings from south central BC. The only thing better than Mike from Canada would have been Mike from Canmore - which is a Canadian TV joke for those of you not from here. Good shooting though Mike! You represented us well sir.
At 5:50 of the video the bullet jacket opened up and spun down range past the big tree. I watched in slow motion.
Damn good shooting Mike very impressive
Good to see a nother man from ontario canada there he did not disappoint.
A concerning issue to me is the feed problems on some of these bolt actions and some seem less than smooth, unlike Eric`s rifle, which fed smooth and consistent.........great content, thank you !
I swear I hate seeing Marines do these guntuber challenges. Any Marine that claims the 500 yards iron sight bullshit knows damn well that target they engaged (with varying degrees of success) was 19” wide by 40” tall. And you got points for missing. We Marines need to simmer down with this iron sights hubris. Signed, a Marine Gunner.
Who gets points for missing? We didn’t in 77 semper fi
@@kencaton6377 with the Annual Rifle Training (ART) course of fire, the silhouette on the B-Mod target is worth 5 points. The areas to the left and right of the black were worth 4 points. So yes, missing the intended target (a man sized silhouette) close enough could net you 4 points. Of course there were 3 point zones as well as 2 point zones on the same target. So, effectively, earning points for missing.
@@thelifeofmatt0306interesting, I don't remember that being the case when I was in, 95 to 05.
@@NANA-lq5md trust me, that was the case. And it didn’t change until oct of 2020 (fy21)
@@thelifeofmatt0306 i always got ten outta ten at 500 so that could be why I don't remember misses counting.
Carlie put up a good show. I like watching this and the 1000yd challenge. I've shot similar targets where I live and I find the trick it to have you cross hair at the top of the target and shoot a little low to your aim point. I like it when people will use their turrets to make adjustments rather than just moving their aim point around. So many times you see shooters keep dropping shots into the same point but making no adjustments to the turrets. They obviously get target fixation and don't change their aim point.
Very nice. Respectable of the gentleman with the open sights. Very proud to see Carlie give it a try. Clay's 6br looks sweet. Don't mind seeing the jab at the 6.5cm, I own one and like everything else I own better. Thanks for the video.
Our pleasure!
visual acuity becomes the biggest issue at 500. The smallest target that most people can consistently aim at is about 2MOA-ish with irons. SOME MAY be able to consistently aim at a 1MOA target with irons, not the average person. So even if the rifle, sights, ammo, and shooter are capable of better than 1MOA at 500, if you can't consistently aim at the target you're just flinging boolots... I was also a Marine and qualed at 500 with irons. Rifle-ammo combo does 2MOA to 4MOA from the bench. 500 silhouette target was about 20" wide AKA about 4MOA.... If you landed a good 1st round center mass, you were rewarded with a 10" white spotting disc, AKA 2MOA. This made the other 9 shots easier because of the 2MOA aiming point. All of this is "battle precision"(in real combat things aren't that precise). Miles and miles away from sub 0.5MOA long range precision match shooting. All those guys claiming they could do it easy because they shot 500 in the USMC were either POGs or FUDDS or both. I love shooting irons, and I love people trying to do this with irons. Hell, if I was within 12 hours of EC, I'd try it. I still think you should do an iron sight version, no challenge money, just fun. Either closer, or with larger targets at 500, smallest target being 1MOA, largest 4 to 6MOA. Maybe a rim fire version at 100 with irons and 200 or 300 with scopes, again, just for fun.
You Go Mrs. Walters. Both my long rage rigs are built off Howa 1500 short actions.
Attempting under these conditions is hard ....
The first guy ....the bag rest wasn't high enough ....but with those sights my god they did better than I would do I'm sure. It's easy to criticise but I'd definitely have a bag at each end ....just to give myself a fighting chance without breaking my neck....
Mike's rifle ...and reloading was superb 👍🏻
That 6br is a great round. I prefer my 6.5 x 47 for windy days but the BR is one helluva of an easy round to shoot and load. Very forgiving.
Great episode 👌
Yup, it’s easy to criticize. I give the guys props for giving it a shot knowing they will take criticism, especially with a Mosin with that terrible ammo.
I have the feeling that Mike's amazing perfomance shows one maybe trvial truth that imho deserves to be pointed out
A rifle cannot be more accurate than its barrel
And the one in Mike's rifle must be really something special Think of a F class scaled down barrel
Wonderful piece indeed
Try some Wolf Gold in the Mosin. I've sent probably 300 rounds through my Mosin without a single misfire, and they shoot well.
This was really fun to watch!! Kudos to everyone that stepped up to the challenge!! I love shooting long range! Want to see more of this Erik. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you
The camera angle on the targets is absolutely wild iv never been able to see the path of the bullets like that before 🤙 your doing awesome work! Im definitely subscribing
Pure comedy 😂😂
But damn that Canadian could SHOOT!!
you need to get that mosin shooter from the 1 moa challenge. OR, hear me out here. Make a 300 yard blackjack challenge for open sites but no spotter. People need some humble pie.
I’ve pulled those x54 surplus their for machine guns the projectiles vary over 10 grain and the powder charge can vary 5-6 grain
first dude is slapping the trigger like it owes him money.
One of many "challenges"
😅 I just died lol 😅
I remember the first time I saw someone doing that apparently ppl do that ! Crazy they don’t even put their finger on the trigger at all!!
What an enjoyable series! Well done to the first ones to even attempt the challenge with open sights! Great shooting from all of the participants. Would be great to see someone try open sights with a slightly more "ahem" competitive set up 😉
Great video !!! The mosin guys where kinda funny to me because i shoot them all the time , just for a challenge, and got 2 that shoot under moa but, not with iron sights. Great vids erik. Thanks for uploading!!!!
Great stuff Erik! And kudos to the guys shooting with their open sights!
Mike can shoot. Looks like he pretty much center punched each of the targets.
great barrel
This might be the best episode yet! Gotta hand it to the open sight guys for even stepping up to take a swing. Go figure the mild mannered Canadian was shooting like a demon.
Shooting open sights is more of a challenge in my opinion. As comical as it was, I give those guys respect for showing up and going for it. With 7.62x54r and Mosin rifles, it comes down to ammo. Each rifle is going to be different. They are capable of excellent accuracy. You really have to do some serious load development with the mosin in 7.62x54r. With surplus ammo and steal case ammo it's basically machine gun ammo. Reloading for it is challenging. It requires a lot more time and elbow grease. There are a lot more things you have to factor in due to wartime variations with Mosin barrels. Barrel harmonics are different on a Mosin too, they don't behave like a modern rifle. Guy's who compete in vintage matches with them do make alterations to them. Some will bed them. Some will have the crown recut. They will do trigger work to them.
Respect for the ones attempting with open sights. Must have better vision than me as I can’t see some of those sizes at 500 yards. Sure not an easy challenge
I was also chuckling at the open sight guys, but then i thought, you know what? Good on them - they were the only ones with the guts to come on and have a crack at it and show how difficult it is - Charlie was my favourite - great demeanour for shooting, nice and relaxed - just needs to get her face off the gun and equipment could be a little bit better, switch to hand loads , Lapua Brass, Berger Hybrid 140s , ADI2209 powder… the guy from Canada was smokin… great Rifle, but calm down when shooting - Watch Charlie - but all up, some of the best shooters in this series
I love that you can see the Shockwave before the bullet hits!
Dustin does not look even slightly like Mathew Quigley but Oorah to a swing and a miss!
Good job girl, keep at it and welcome to the sport!
Great to see a fellow Canadian come all that way to shoot ,nice shooting. Erik if you can find out how he got permitting to bring his rifle to your shoot , I need to find out . I want to get to do the challenge next time I’m in Phoenix
You will need to complete the 6NIA permit from the ATF and then go to your local CBSA and get a green card for your rifle and your good to go👍
Mosin sights aren't in metres (I thought they were too)
They in a weird measurement called "Arshin"
So those two friends had a ton stacked up against them, they're clearly not afraid to try something different, not afraid of a bit more than an extra challenge. They earned respect!!!
No scope & then add in misfires & questionable factory ammo...
Did way better than most of us would have & they need a special plaque each on a ton of respect award
Bet they'll do far better if they get a chance to accurise the rifle, go to reloading & do load development.
Brilliant to watch them in a very steep challenge & they still did way better than I would.
Yeah Erik, you need a big highly varnished Honor Roll Shield on the wall somewhere for "Extra Steep Challenge Players" hahahaa
Ton of respect, really enjoyed his (& the others) efforts. Everyone has utterly brilliant attitudes, wonderful attitudes.
And Carly was a wonderfully down to earth person who brought a very calm, humble truck load of of "get it done" - She's a real thinking shooter, she's clearly trying to learn something from every second.
This should be a weekly TV show hahaha
Thank you Erik for the BlackJack Challenge, seriously entertaining.
Mosin nagants open sight with Winchester 7.62x54R maybe the 10 and 12 inch plates at 500yrds. 500 yrds with nagant sight set to 400 meters would have you hold pretty much at the base of target. 500 yrds is about 458 meters. Correct me if I'm wrong, with an explanation.
I love how this is growing, great video as usual.
12:30 this gun is zeroed perfectly and very accurate.
I'm waiting for one of the Fullbore Target Rifle guys to give it a whirl...but a Nagant, with factory sights and ammo, I'm impressed they got as close as they did
Lol. IF and I mean IF I was try open sights…. I think I’d have a capable gun an ammo. 😳
Good job Mike
I'd like to see Carli come back after a little more experience and a more suitable reticle. I bet with handloads she could get blackjack next time
Ammo that is all over the place, no rear bag, using an old outdated relic with open sights to attempt something that is hard to pull off even with a high end rifle. That went about the same as I imagined it would. I have the carbine model in my gun cabinet and a bunch of Russian sniper rounds if they want to try doing it with a different gun! But I doubt they will do much better.
Ontario, was that the high score. Awesome rig and shooting
Felt like they tried to one up the guy who did the shooting challenge on Backfire the other day.
I will say, 500 yards with an open sight mosin using surplus ammo is baffling, but fun to watch. An amazingly simple and functional design, but they are not precision machines from my experience. I used to have a few mosins, they used to be around $70 for a nice one, but I don't regret letting them all go.
Im also a Marine and boy we qualify with a full size dog target not a damn 2 inch tiny little thing. that is really hard.
Damn right after i made that comment he said exactly that pretty much.
Points for trying with Mosins (WTF) with factory ammo, when there are far better milsurps out there with decent ammo available. Almost anything would be a better combo.
Mikes got a nice piece of property to be able to go outback and send 500yrds✅👌🏼 ( really wanted to see the 500 with irons💯 )
The guys shooting the Mosin would still be causing casualties. I wouldnt stand out in the open in front of them.
The 7.62x54r stands for rimmed not russian. i would think that a good k-31 might be what you need for this challenge? i love my 03s but 500 yards is a long ways!
Great shooting by the Canadian. I think he started to get a bit excited which effected things more than the wind. Watch his right hand. Still kudos! As for the lady, only been shooting seriously for a year…..kudos! Clay….6BR stands up to the claims…..kudos! The iron sights guys…….well I’m just here for the comments.
Thank you
Love it. I have a 1,000 yard medal (10th) open sights, M-14, Quantico, VA. Does that count? LOL. Or how about 199 with 10x at 600 yards with same M-14? Marine Corps Matches at Camp Lejeune. Does that one count? LOL. Copies of medals upon request. ;-)
2:33 Having spent 10 years in the marine corps, and shot “expert” a couple of the 6 times I went to the rifle range, I can say with certainty that the targets at the rifle range were not that small for ANY distance when shooting the known distance course of fire. The “10” ring on a 500 yard target is 12 or maybe 13 inches…. So that would be what… about 2 1/4 MOA? Sounds like the target is sized for the consistency of the ammunition. Anyone who says, or even implies, that this is the same as what marines do doesn’t know enough about shooting to understand just how big a difference there is.
I could so do that. Not simple but doable with a better gun but iron sights I’m great.
This is how it is in Texas, Mike, except when its 100F+
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Don’t tell him that part. 😉
Man, I'd like to see the iron sight challenge with a nicer rifle. That thing misfiring constantly was a let down. I know the shooters had to be frustrated as hell.
That was cool open sites with an old Russian rifle with old ammo do it big or don't do it at all!! Lol! The guy from Canada that was awesome!
Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 🍻
Poor nagant .. at least it was with ammo he never tested.. i just totally relaxed... thinking of a canoe trip in bc,rowing with that nagant!!😅
Awfully certain for a dude with an $80 big 5 rifle but props for giving it a shot lol.
I’d love to see those guys come back with some ammo that shoots well in those nagant rifles. There is a guy in our club that shoots one in the service rifle matches and he gets some tight groups at 200m. That young lady did well for being new to the sport.
To the marines.
That WW2 Russian rifles sights are calibrated in Arshins 28 inches not meters 39.3 inches. An Arshin is the average pace length of an average Soviet soldier. Go figure 🤷🏼♂️
Semper Fi
Steven Dzupin
Can confirm, this is an ammo problem. My 32 mosin has about a 4 foot spread with shit surplus ammo. If I use modern ammo it shoots nicer.
I know for a fact at 56, I couldnt begin to see the large target at 500yrds without an optic ,so good for them giving it a go , but they should have been a bit more prepared . Should have had the most consistent ammo and a real front rest , rear bag set up at the minimum .
I'm gonna start telling all these old "back in my day we used iron sights and shot expert" Marine vets to go try your challenge
The whole idea behind the military 500yd shooting test is to instill faith in the soldiers that they can shoot out there.
This is of course very important in a firefight but in civilian life the targets are smaller and not shooting at you so they need no suppressing.
That Marine must have been supply.
Awesome.
If I was state side, I'd run my 1942 Lithgow.
Perhaps an appropriate Blackjack Iron Sight challenge would be to address a Troop Line. Start at 50yds, 100yds, 150yds all the way to 500yds.
Nope, everyone shoots the same COF.
I believe you have better chance of throwing that gun at the target. Lol.
They probably would have hit it if they would have brought a Swiss K-31 with some GP11. I might have to come try this one day. I’m right down the road from you Eric. You built my neighbors Barndo.
Come try the challenge.
Marines are really good at overestimating themselves.
Now that it's happened you should initiate a pause in time with a SAFTEY hold on misfires. Just a suggestion.
Question in conception shooting matches how many shots per consecutive shoot ?